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Veteran punter Hunter Smith to get workout

Veteran punter Hunter Smith is headed back to Redskins Park.
Smith, among the team's top performers regardless of position last season, is scheduled to work out for the team on Tuesday at the complex, a person familiar with the situation said late Sunday night.
The Redskins declined to offer Smith, 33, a contract despite his impressive performance last season, opting to sign veteran punter Josh Bidwell, who was the only punter on the roster through training camp and the preseason. But Bidwell suffered a hip injury during pregame warmups Sunday before Washington's 30-16 loss to the St. Louis Rams at the Edward Jones Dome.
After finishing worst in the league in punting in 2008, the Redskins had a top unit during the 2009 season. With the highest net average (36.8 yards) of a Redskins punter in 10 seasons, Smith played a key role in the improvement of the coverage team with effective hang time.
Washington allowed no punts to be blocked, and Smith, who was a positive influence in the locker room, rushed for one touchdown and passed for another. Smith's teammates often spoke of what a difference it was to have him on the field.
The team's punters during the 2008 season - Durant Brooks and Ryan Plackemeier - were wildly inconsistent, making life especially difficult for special teams coordinator Danny Smith. With Hunter Smith at the position, the Redskins' coverage team suddenly didn't look so bad.
Washington was among the NFL leaders in fair catch percentage and other coverage statistics, members of the former coaching staff said after last season. The Redskins did not give up any punt returns for touchdowns.

By Jason Reid  | September 27, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
 
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Veteran punter Hunter Smith to get workout

while they're at it they should bring the red snapper back to town.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Five quick thoughts: Rams 30, Redskins 16
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
09/26/10 9:21 PM EDT

1. The run defense isn’t about to improve » No 3-4 defense can excel vs. the run when you don’t have good play at the nose tackle. Not to blame everything on Maake Kemoeatu – because it’s not just him – but he gets shoved around way too often. A couple weeks ago Jim Haslett dismissed the notion that Kemoeatu was a problem. He thought he would clog the middle. Not happening. Kemoeatu does not control the middle and for a guy so big, his leg strength is an issue. Maybe he’s still not right after missing last season. But this will be a season-long issue.

2. Too many guys are out of position on defense » And here’s another problem. Listen, I like the 3-4 and I never bought the Redskins defense of the past couple years as being an elite one. They kept their team in games; they didn’t change games. So if you want to switch, that’s fine. That’s not the point; but they still need two more starting linemen; another starting outside linebacker and maybe another inside linebacker, one who weighs more than what they have now. This is a 4-3 team trying to play a 3-4. That makes for a rough transition. Next year, perhaps, this defense will roll. For now, it’ll struggle.

3. Where’d the run go? » The Redskins rushed for 115 yards in the first half — and only one yard on five carries in the second half. Part of the problem is going 1 for 10 on third downs. Hard to focus on the run when you can’t sustain drives. And now there’s questions surrounding Clinton Portis. I don’t get why he was pulled. Ryan Torain had a good run for 36 yards, but his other six carries netted 10 yards. He showed some patience, but he had a huge hole on his first carry courtesy of Chris Cooley and Mike Sellers. He got the yards he should. Same with Portis on his 27-yard run (why he went down is beyond me). But Portis’ other six runs gained 17 yards. So it’s not like the running game was sustaining anything — against a team that entered having allowed 4.7 yards per carry. Again, this will be a season-long issue. This is also a run game that needs cohesion and chemistry and the Redskins have a new starting LG and then promote a practice squader and put him in a prominent role. If this were Jim Zorn’s doing, what would you say? And if Portis is supposed to be playing on third down, why was Torain in there on a third down in which he flubbed a blitz pickup — having your head down as a protector is never good for the QB’s health. But I also didn’t like Portis’ body language on the sideline. Clearly, the coaches had to notice that, too, right?

(more)

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

4. The Redskins’ defense looked lost » We’re back to the defense again. The Rams were always one step ahead of the Redskins, it seemed. Washington would blitz one side and Sam Bradford would throw to the other. And he’d release the ball quickly. They’d show a pass formation and run the ball. And they took advantage of a secondary that does not seem to be in sync with the rush. Not sure how there was such soft coverage on some blitzes. Yet there was a bunch. Also, DeAngelo Hall can be a good corner and a playmaker, but he did not respond well to his early-week rant. Also, the Redskins did not seem as aggressive defensively as they were in the first two games. Have to watch the game again, but the blitzing seemed less. We’ll see.

5. Trent Williams was missed » Some of the times were obvious, like when Stephon Heyer was called for a false start after getting driven back deep. And there were enough times when he and RT Jammal Brown were knocked back on the same play. But Heyer’s inability to cut off some backside runs certainly didn’t help. By no means is this loss Heyer’s fault; he is what he is, a reserve tackle. But it speaks to Williams’ value already; his athleticism in getting to linebackers would have helped today.

Bonus » OK, I had one more thought. I know Albert Haynesworth said maybe some players took the Rams lightly. I know this locker room too well and I don't buy that. The Redskins aren't in position to take anyone lightly. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's thinking, "This will be an easy game." Sort of fits his mindset. And I don't buy the notion that this was a trap game. Trap games are for good teams; the Redskins are not a good team. Mediocre, maybe. Good? Never thought they would be. Of course, I didn't think they'd lose to the Rams.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

1/10 on 3rd down isn't going to cut it in the nfl. 0/3 in the red zone isn't either. the offense is looking the same as it has for years, regardless of who's coaching this team.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Not sure why we ever got away from Hunter to begin with...hopefully this is a mistake that gets corrected immediately...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

The run defense is horrible and it's more than the NT. Andre carter and yes, orakpo are not good at covering in space. Watch them, they look lost out there. On offense we simply lack explosiveness at the skill positions, Moss, Galloway, Portis have all lost at least one step. Cooley will catch most thrown his way but he doesn't run away from anyone. SLOW loses in this league. 8-8 was my prediction sticking with it and it will take three years to acquire talent to truly be competitive.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, beep. Looks like a lot of people are questioning the switch to the 3-4 this morning...myself included. I thought Kemo would be a solid NT so we'd be alright. But with him getting shoved around in the middle, you've got to wonder why we didn't make a run at Jamal Williams. We could have had a Pro-Bowl caliber (though at his age, maybe a shade below that level now) NT to hold down fort for a year or two while we seek to get a younger option. Plus Carter looked completely awful and it might be time to start looking for help at OLB as well.

Hope ih8dallas is paying attention...looks like 11-5 ain't happenin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse


Yesterdays game was another reason dhall needs to shut his face and play. pitiful display at cb from a guy with an ego to match it.

keim doesn't understand why cp was replaced in the second half ? how about over the hill, that's the obvious explaination. dude falls like leaves from the trees without any contact at all.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Woooweee...What's that smell?

Posted by: joe_king | September 27, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

This is looking like a rerun of so many other Redskin teams. Everything changes and nothing changes. The sad thing is that I do not see this team being able to improve this season. We have stripped ourselves of draft choices next year, so our personnel choices will continue to be thin. The one constant that I see is the continuing egotism on the parts of inferior players. If pride alone was enough to win ball games we would be in the playoffs every year. Admitting that they are truly bad might be a good place to start--statistics don't lie that much.

Posted by: driley | September 27, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

keim doesn't understand why cp was replaced in the second half ? how about over the hill, that's the obvious explaination. dude falls like leaves from the trees without any contact at all.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 6:46 AM


Quite frankly, I don't see why either...dude has his limitations now, but he had 7.5 ypc in the first half. Hardly worth benching a guy. I know some with obsess over him inexplicably losing his balance and falling to the turf at the end of the run, but in actuality dude would have gotten another 3-5 more yards max because he was surrounded by about 3 or 4 Rams defenders. I'm just happy he had a hole to run through to get what he got...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

We will be 1-5. We got a Philly Team thats playing lights out right now next, Green Bay, and then Indy. There is 0% chance we win any of those games. We have been exposed by a team that had won 1 of its last 18 games. Chalk up another losing season. We are a cursed franchise. Sorry for the negativity but that game was bad and I can't not tell it like it is.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 27, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

The only draft choice we lose is a 3 or 4 for McNabb right? What other picks did we lose?

Posted by: FedorEm | September 27, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

I said it before the season and will say it again. This team has more holes than swiss cheese. Trading for McNabb was a mistake because he was not the final piece to the puzzle.

Switching to a 3-4 where two of your starting Dlinemen are coming off of season ending injuries is a recipe for disaster. They needed AH to perform at least to the level of last year for this defense to have a chance. Haslett has never been considered more than an average at best DC. His history is in the 4-3. Now he takes players who are at the end of their careers who have only played in the 4-3 and switches them to the 3-4. Fletcher, Carter and all of the crappy dlinemen only know the 4-3.

They are going to have to revamp most of their d personnel. They are also going to have to revamp their Oline and wrs. They need all of the draft picks they can get and they are already down a few next year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | September 27, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

FedorEm, come down off the ledge, dude. If the Redskins truly are holding to form, they'll beat the Eagles simply because nobody expects them to. One hit on the kneecap from Orakpo, and the Vick Experience is a short one.

Not saying it's likely, but there's never a "0% chance" that someone wins. Ask the Rams...

To answer your question, we're missing a 3rd and a 4th rounder. So while it sucks to be missing our full compliment of picks, we've definitely seen worse. Hopefully we can make a deal or two to replace one or both of those picks but right now it's still a bit early to start planning for the draft, don't you think?

Let this thing play out. It's been 3 f-ing weeks! If teams listened to fans like you, the '81 and '01 teams that started 0-5 would have never finished up with a 8-3 record thereafter. We're 1-2. Disappointing? Yes. Looking bleak? Yes. Season over? Hells no.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

I love you KM but is this what we have to look forward to the rest of the season…Maybe coaching isn’t for you, at least the talent evaluator part. It is what I thought it was. Did another WR catch a ball? Hell besides M89 was there another receiver on the field? Funny thing…didn’t get Housh and could have had Clayton when he was cut. Tell me again why we didn’t give DM5 some help/tools/weapons at the WR position?
OK OK RW87 caught 1 pass. Enough said!

Posted by: joe_king | September 27, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

This morning truly sucks.

A gloating Oakland Raiders' fan just spent twenty minutes in my office asking me how could the Washington Redskins lose to the St Louis Rams and it's rookie starting quarterback.

"Easy," I said. "We're not as good as we think we are, and we're as bad as we wanna be."

"And beyond that, I got nothing else to say about this team."

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

yes a bad game. green bay took half the season to get used to a 3 4 then did well. it sucks to lose to the rams but i will not give up on the season cant because i am a fan. do need dt in the games. the skins have always lost to bad teams no matter who the coach is dont know why but it happens. we beat the cows and that is good. just hope they can put it together.

Posted by: rls1041 | September 27, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh, srobert...where to begin...

"Trading for McNabb was a mistake because he was not the final piece to the puzzle."

Nobody said he was. But you accelerate the rebuilding process exponentially if you have a franchise QB. If McNabb can play at this level for the next 3-5 years, we'll be a title contender during that window (provided we get him the right pieces around him). If he weren't here, we'd be winless in 3 blowouts.

"Switching to a 3-4 where two of your starting Dlinemen are coming off of season ending injuries is a recipe for disaster."

Um, in case you haven't noticed, our best D-lineman is Adam Carriker. Doesn't look like the injury killed his ability to flourish in this defense. Kemo is letting me down, but it's still early.

"Haslett has never been considered more than an average at best DC. His history is in the 4-3."

Have you even heard of Haslett before now? Dude spent his early years coaching in Pittsburgh, where they've run that 3-4 probably longer and more effective than anyone. He played most of his career in the 3-4 in Buffalo. He's run a 4-3 in NO (and the Rams too, I think), but don't think for a minute he can't run the 3-4 (even though he probably should have stuck to the 4-3, at least for now).

"They are going to have to revamp most of their d personnel. They are also going to have to revamp their Oline and wrs. They need all of the draft picks they can get and they are already down a few next year."

This isn't news. We already knew this coming into the season. Just because we've had a couple ugly losses that have reinforced this need, doesn't mean we never expected it.

We knew there would be growing pains. Just because we're actually seeing them in action now doesn't mean we should overreact...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Kiem has his observation and I have my questions:

--someone must explain why it looks as if we have only one wide receiver

--someone must explain why FD and CC operating in tandem has yet to materialize

--does K Shanahan understand that throwing deep passes repeatedly to the same receiver while the running game shows some life is just as bone-headed as a 'swinging gate' play?

--why do we throw checkdown passes to our fullback and expect our running back to pass block?

--what does R Williams provide that Devin Thomas does not?

--Torain or Williams?: pick a back up running back and stick with him

--is falling down during a long run something CP is being taught or does he not want to be shown up by getting caught from behind?

--finally, if the rams and texans can use the intermediate passing game as a substitute for a running attack (the 4-6 yard short passes on 1st down are killer), why can't we?


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Carriker, VonnieH, Kemoeatu....all guys no other team wanted. Why would anyone expect they come here and play well? The defense stinks and it will all season. Pretty laughable people complained for years that our top10 defenses "didnt score enough" and blah blah blah.

Absurd that Devon Thomas is just returning kicks. Aside from possibly Moss, he's the only explosive player on offense- but he doesnt play offense. Enough of this complete bs about him not knowing the plays. Just get him out there.

And most importantly, everyone in the organization from top-to-bottom needs to accept that these type of losses don't happen because "we gave them the game" or "penalties killed us." They happen because we're no better than the very worst teams in the league. It's been proven consistently and hiding from that FACT only delays the legit rebuilding that has needed to be done for years.

Posted by: divi3 | September 27, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Baby steps fans. My goal is to go one game without a special team failure like a blocked FG or punt or kicking the ball out of bounds on a kickoff. I have my 12 year old team not doing it so I hope a professional team can also :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | September 27, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep,
Thanks for the Keim article. I like his assessment of the nose tackle position. Something to remember is that, just because other teams run a lane-clogger-at-nose style of 3-4, it doesn't mean that is the only option. Haynesworth or Carriker could do fine there if there was a little more beef at inside linebacker. I would like to see Haslett experiment with Lorenzo Alexander and Andre Carter at the two inside linebacker slots, London Fletcher on the outside, and Haynesworth at nose.

But, really, the defense would have played much better if their tongues weren't hanging by the end of the third quarter. The offense has to sustain more drives and keep the defense off the field. This team doesn't have defensive depth enough to play 45 minutes on defense.

Brownwood,
I agree with the Hunter the punter statement. Why let a guy go when he has proven himself? I hope Hunter sticks. Again.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 27, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

We had to wait seven days for that garbage yesterday? What a joke - this team sucks. The defense is ridiculous. Hall is terrible and needs to shut up during the week. He should be cut off from the media. I don't know what an aggressive 3-4 is supposed to look like (Steelers?), but this is not it. We don't get pressure and we can't stop the pass or run.

Hayer is awful, he should be inactive and would be on most teams. Where was the creativity in the passing game we saw last week? Nothing for Galloway or Williams. Where was DT11? Shanahan needs to stop playing games with DT11 and get him on the field to make plays. The running game looked solid but was abandoned.

The Rams tried to give us the game but we wouldn't take it. Unreal.

Posted by: quinn3 | September 27, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Brown I'm not up on a ledge. Just a little pissed we lost. How are we out 3 and 4th picks? I was commenting on other post about us being short on picks. I thought we only give up a 3 or a 4 depending on McNabbs performance.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 27, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

the skins have always lost to bad teams no matter who the coach is dont know why but it happens.

Posted by: rls1041 | September 27, 2010 7:41 AM |

rls, it's because the skins have been poorly managed since snyder took over, and trading for mcnabb and dealing our draft picks away is "same as it ever was".

i guess we'll get to see if areid made the right decision about mcnabb next week.

1/10 is just pitiful on 3rd down.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

yes a bad game. green bay took half the season to get used to a 3 4 then did well...

Posted by: rls1041 | September 27, 2010 7:41 AM


Good point with GB...and I remember around this same time last year they lost in similar fashion to the Bucs in Tampa. They didn't have all the personnel to run the 3-4 either but came on at the end of the year because they had some playmakers in the secondary. If Kemo starts to play better at the NT spot, there's a chance the Redskins have a similar turnaround.

Just all the more reason why there's no reason to start freaking out in Week 3...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Just all the more reason why there's no reason to start freaking out in Week 3...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 7:56 AM

Dude, when the Rams dominate you the writing is on the wall. That loss spoke volumes about the team's talent level and unfortunately coaching. Skins looked unmotivated and disinterested- just unacceptable.

Given the schedule, there's good reason to be freaked out!

Posted by: divi3 | September 27, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

How are we out 3 and 4th picks? I was commenting on other post about us being short on picks. I thought we only give up a 3 or a 4 depending on McNabbs performance.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 27, 2010 7:54 AM


One of the picks is from the McNabb deal, the other to the Saints for Jammal Brown. Win, lose, or draw that was a good deal on both fronts.

divi, if you think that the D was OK the last two years, you're out of your mind. A "bend but don't break" defense isn't something to write home about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins get hammered by the Eegs, and there is a good chance they will, then mebbe it's time to think about getting Lucky, as in Andy. Another 4-12 year should do the trick because most of the other stinkers in the NFL are already QB'ed up. The Skins also need a NT, a RB, a WR and a ILB. 3-4 more seasons of bottom feeding should do the trick. Remember, Rome weren't built in no day.

Posted by: LibertyValence | September 27, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Skins were bad all the way around, coaching was awful as was offence defence and special teams. We can't tackle, run or pass\catch, we only have one wide receiver and when our starting running back finally starts gaining some yards we quit giving him the ball. Play calling was terrible and we don't play AH92 enough. Our punter can't even last through pregame warm ups and our long snapper is a liability. We suck in all facets of the game, or at least we did yesterday. It's going to be a long season, we didn't just go 4-12 because of Zorn, we went 4-12 because we sucked, and we still suck.

Posted by: gr8fullted | September 27, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse


We knew there would be growing pains. Just because we're actually seeing them in action now doesn't mean we should overreact...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 7:41 AM |

brown, with all due respect, anytime someone knocks the skins or certain players on the team like mcnabb you say that they panic or overreact. i don't think folks are overreacting when we lose 30-16 to a team that won 1 game last year, beating the lions, a team we lost too.

HTTR !

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Wow, so much for getting up on the Rams early and taking a commanding lead into the 4th quarter...

I don't know what's funnier: The loss to the Rams, or the delusional kool-aid INHALING fans.

Yes, it's only 3 games into the season. People like to bring up the 0-5 start with Marty, but that wasn't a team that made drastic changes schematic wise. This is -- on both offense and defense.

It looks like this team is on pace for 6 wins. 7 at best.

Which is what I'd thought they'd win this season anyway.

So much for all the chest thumping bravado from DeAngelo Hall. Dude was getting his lunch AND milk money snatched all day yesterday.

The 3-4 switch looks like an awful decision. They just simply don't have the personnel to run it. The zone blocking scheme doesn't fit the personnel either. People were trying to justify them rotating Dock and Lichtensteiger, but as you can see, he's garbo.


The thing that really got me with Zorn is that he refused to coach to his personnel. Looks like Shanahan aka GOD HC is doing the same thing as well.


Just goes to show, you can't patch work awful teams. 'Skins should've just accepted the fact that they weren't going to contend this year and accepted it. You know, TRULY rebuild the roster.

Which has been their exact problem the last 10 years -- their refusal to rebuild. Instead it's just apply band-aid here, patch an inner tube there.

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Redskinhead

"The offense has to sustain more drives and keep the defense off the field."


Amen, reverend, amen.

Thing is, a solid piece of analysis would reveal that for whatever reason, Kyle Shanahan's 3rd quarter playcalling basically sucks.

Against the Texans, a series of 3 and outs occurred after more 'bombs' to Galloway and Moss.

The result?: second and 10 which becomes 3rd and long after an ineffective running play, then punt.

Yesterday, while the rams used 1st down short passes to set up 3rd and short, the skins kept with the deep passes ritual that hasn't rewarded the team enough to continue practicing it.

We have two solid tight ends.

So perhaps the remedy might be a more controlled passing game that sets up 2nd and 4 or 3rd and short.

Then, once the defense plays up to stop the tight ends/slot receiver working the middle, you go deep.

After all, that pattern of playcalling is how we got beat yesterday.

And if the rams can do this, why can't we?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah we traded a pick for Brown. I forgot. I'm not as scared of the Eagles as I am Green Bay and Indy. Like I said in a previous post, unless we really start to play well, we are looking at 1-5 start. Could have been 0-6 if not for the great Alex Baron.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 27, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Divi, again...Green Bay lost to the Bucs around the same time last year. If I recall correctly, they ended up doing pretty well last year.

I'm not saying we'll make the playoffs, but I didn't expect us to even before the season. I don't know what part of "work in progress" you didn't get, but if you didn't expect this to be a playoff team there's no reason to get bent outta shape about yesterday.

Anyone who didn't think this defense wasn't gonna take a step back despite a total overhaul of personnel and scheme was fooling themselves. If we're having this discussion in Week 15 instead of Week 3, then I'll share your dismay. But this season JUST started. It's crazy to think this team would be stout right away.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I didn't watch the game, so not sure if I'm allowed to comment, that being said, time to make some changes, AH needs to be starting....period, stupid conditioning test aside, he needs to be the started DE in this foolish switch to the 3-4...Golston is a nice try hard player, but enough is enough with this pissing contest between AH/MS bullcrap...30 points in back to back games is PA-THET-IC. Haslett needs to be put on notice....
Same with the offense, JGalloway has given NOTHING to this tesm, time to give DT a shot, its not like it could get worse than the offense scoring only 4 touchdowns in the first 3 games...115 rushing yards in the first half, and then it gets abandoned in the 2nd...Kyle needs to be put on notice as well, stop throwing the ball to sellers, and start focusing on getting Cooley/Davis/Thomas involved...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

divi, if you think that the D was OK the last two years, you're out of your mind. A "bend but don't break" defense isn't something to write home about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 8:01 AM

Considering now we have a "just break" defense, I'd prefer the one that gave up 7pts to the Rams last year.

We've had the dregs of the league on offense for years- makes it tough on any defense. I dont see anything about this current defense that's an improvement over recent years. In fact they're worse in all areas than what we've had under Williams/Blatche

Posted by: divi3 | September 27, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

How is it Roydell Williams didn't play himself out of the game. He was targeted three times and had only one catch, but the bigger sin was on the third down screen to Chris Cooley in the red zone. Cooley probably goes for a TD or at least definitely gets a first down if Williams can hold his block on Atogwe. Devin Thomas had some pretty killer blocks in the preaseason, and I'm fairly certain he can go at least one for three when he's targeted. Not to mention he seems to be the only WR we have who has the ability to run after the catch.

Posted by: crashinghero | September 27, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2010 8:08 AM |

You miserable excuse for a blogger. Berated some other blogger for saying Brandon Lloyd was tearing it up in Denver. Well, the mofo is for Crissakes. 20 yards behind the receiving yards stat leader, average of 25 yards per catch. You ought to spend less time pleasuring yourself and more time checking out what is going on.

Posted by: LibertyValence | September 27, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Kiem has his observation and I have my questions:

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse


--someone must explain why it looks as if we have only one wide receiver

Because we only have one wide receiver

--someone must explain why FD and CC operating in tandem has yet to materialize

Because we're too busy throwning to Mike Sellers

--does K Shanahan understand that throwing deep passes repeatedly to the same receiver while the running game shows some life is just as bone-headed as a 'swinging gate' play?

Yes, but punting on first down was not a viable option since Bidwell got hurt during pregame warm ups

--why do we throw checkdown passes to our fullback and expect our running back to pass block?

More importantly, why does a 280 lb fullback always feel the need to jump over 190 lb defensive backs?

--what does R Williams provide that Devin Thomas does not?
Devin Thomas? You mean the kick returner?

--Torain or Williams?: pick a back up running back and stick with him

Torain might be the starter soon

--is falling down during a long run something CP is being taught or does he not want to be shown up by getting caught from behind?

He has done that ever since he's been in DC, he just doesn't break enough long runs for people to notice

--finally, if the rams and texans can use the intermediate passing game as a substitute for a running attack (the 4-6 yard short passes on 1st down are killer), why can't we?

Because our OC is a prodigy and he doesn't do things that other coaches do just because they work

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 27, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

How is it Roydell Williams didn't play himself out of the game. He was targeted three times and had only one catch, but the bigger sin was on the third down screen to Chris Cooley in the red zone. Cooley probably goes for a TD or at least definitely gets a first down if Williams can hold his block on Atogwe. Devin Thomas had some pretty killer blocks in the preaseason, and I'm fairly certain he can go at least one for three when he's targeted. Not to mention he seems to be the only WR we have who has the ability to run after the catch.

Posted by: crashinghero | September 27, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"i don't think folks are overreacting when we lose 30-16 to a team that won 1 game last year, beating the lions, a team we lost too."

Posted by: hessone

Good lord, yes, yes, and YES! Co-fing-sign!

When you loose to a 1-15 team from last year and are DEAD LAST in defense, it's a problem.

Andy Polin this morning was trying to hang on to the fact that at least they're throwing the ball downfield. Are you f-ing kidding me?!?!?!?!?! Then they wanted to discuss Haynesworth's comments from over the weekend? Again, ARE YOU F-ING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?!

How about they discuss that stank ass 'L' they put up? Ad nauseam at that. 'Cause it can't be more sickening to discuss more than it was to watch.


Knew it was gonna be a ling day when they kicked the gawddamn opening kickoff out of bounds. Sh*t basically just went down hill from there.

Keep chugging that dark cheery kool-aid, 'Skins fans.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse


Which has been their exact problem the last 10 years -- their refusal to rebuild. Instead it's just apply band-aid here, patch an inner tube there.

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2010 8:08 AM |

thank you very much red. the mcnabb and brown deals were bad moves. we need all of our draft picks in order to rebuild, not players to tie us over while we rebuild that cost us draft picks.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh Brownwood. Where to begin. Just because someone was DC in Pitt for a few years does not mean he was good. Haslett's defenses in Pittsburgh slipped noticeably in the rankings from the time he took over, from second before he got there, to sixth, and then to 12th in the league.

Haslett has been a DC for 6 years. 6th ranked defense that was the first season in Pitt. The defense the year before was 2nd. The other 5 years his defenses have ranked an average of 19th in the league.

You can try and spin it anyway you like but he has never been a great DC.

In a month McNabb turns 34. By the time the Redskins fill all of the holes McNabb is going to be 36 or 37. He has been injured a ton over the last 5 years. By the time they get a team around him he may end up being mediocre at best.

Carriker is the best defense linemen of a horrible group. Sometimes picking up a player after an injury works out sometimes it doesn't. When you don't have quality depth it is a huge risk.

This team is going to have turnover just about the entire roster. The only players that are good for the long haul are Orakpo, T Williams, Landry, Cooley and Davis. Serviceable players: Huggins, Hall, McIntosh. After that they are going to have replace Dockery, Rabach, Hicks, Prob Brown, Maake, DE, Fletcher, Carter, Rogers, Galloway, Rogers, Moss and Portis.

15 of 22 starters are going to have to be replaced. How are they going to do that and compete in the next two years? If they are bad all season McNabb might bolt to Minny in the off season or Lil Danny will throw stupid money at him. How is McNabb going to accelerate the roster turnover that needs to happen?

Posted by: srobert1117 | September 27, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Oh Brownwood. Where to begin. Just because someone was DC in Pitt for a few years does not mean he was good. Haslett's defenses in Pittsburgh slipped noticeably in the rankings from the time he took over, from second before he got there, to sixth, and then to 12th in the league.

Haslett has been a DC for 6 years. 6th ranked defense that was the first season in Pitt. The defense the year before was 2nd. The other 5 years his defenses have ranked an average of 19th in the league.

You can try and spin it anyway you like but he has never been a great DC.

In a month McNabb turns 34. By the time the Redskins fill all of the holes McNabb is going to be 36 or 37. He has been injured a ton over the last 5 years. By the time they get a team around him he may end up being mediocre at best.

Carriker is the best defense linemen of a horrible group. Sometimes picking up a player after an injury works out sometimes it doesn't. When you don't have quality depth it is a huge risk.

This team is going to have turnover just about the entire roster. The only players that are good for the long haul are Orakpo, T Williams, Landry, Cooley and Davis. Serviceable players: Huggins, Hall, McIntosh. After that they are going to have replace Dockery, Rabach, Hicks, Prob Brown, Maake, DE, Fletcher, Carter, Rogers, Galloway, Rogers, Moss and Portis.

15 of 22 starters are going to have to be replaced. How are they going to do that and compete in the next two years? If they are bad all season McNabb might bolt to Minny in the off season or Lil Danny will throw stupid money at him. How is McNabb going to accelerate the roster turnover that needs to happen?

Posted by: srobert1117 | September 27, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I didn't watch the game, so not sure if I'm allowed to comment, that being said, time to make some changes, AH needs to be starting....period, stupid conditioning test aside, he needs to be the started DE in this foolish switch to the 3-4...Golston is a nice try hard player, but enough is enough with this pissing contest between AH/MS bullcrap...30 points in back to back games is PA-THET-IC. Haslett needs to be put on notice....
Same with the offense, JGalloway has given NOTHING to this tesm, time to give DT a shot, its not like it could get worse than the offense scoring only 4 touchdowns in the first 3 games...115 rushing yards in the first half, and then it gets abandoned in the 2nd...Kyle needs to be put on notice as well, stop throwing the ball to sellers, and start focusing on getting Cooley/Davis/Thomas involved...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Bean I am with you man. Don't know if it's ego or what, but if Shanny wants to make points about who is in charge at the expense of winning games, he'll be looking for another job again before too long.

AH needs to be in the game or else we can't stop the run, and if we really want to play this merry-go-round with Roydell Williams, Galloway and whoever else, it's only going to get worse b/c teams will start to double Moss again.

Don't know what DT has done to be in the doghouse but he's said all the right things, by all accounts is practicing hard, so the coaching staff needs to get their heads out of their asses and play the best guys. Period.

Posted by: mattylight | September 27, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Defensive nose tackle, Offensive Center- 2 of the BIGGEST weakness on our team. We need to play perfect ball every week to have a chance.
Kemo and Casey are not even back-ups on other teams. These dudes get pushed around like little b-itches.

Sad, Skins showing up for only 1 quarter yesterday.

Posted by: bhoang888 | September 27, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

redDmv

"Just goes to show, you can't patch work awful teams."

What other option is there when you don't have a bevy of draft picks?

And BA and Shanahan didn't.

If they had completely 'blew up' the roster we'd be where we are now.

So what's the dif?

Redskins fans might want to take a hard look into the AFC West where, after a couple of seasons, S Pioli has put together a very good Chiefs team.

And how did he do it?: he traded for a veteren quarterback, and brought in head coach types (Crennel, Weis) who forced a system on the team that didn't match the personnel.

Pioli has drafted players who fit the scheme and fit in well with Herm Edwards' leftovers.

So patchwork can work if you are thinking long term.

And the difference is that in Kansas City, the franchise has preached patience while football folks in D.C. want it all now.

It looks like that--patience--might become Mike Shanahan's new sermon over the next few months.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Rabach was getting thrashed LAST year, but it seems there was no move made to replace him or even find a serviceable backup.

Posted by: divi3 | September 27, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

brown, with all due respect, anytime someone knocks the skins or certain players on the team like mcnabb you say that they panic or overreact. i don't think folks are overreacting when we lose 30-16 to a team that won 1 game last year, beating the lions, a team we lost too.

HTTR !

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 8:07 AM


Dude, it's not "anytime someone knocks the skins or certain players on the team"...it's when people pile on the team with new EVERYTHING in Week 3. If we're having this same discussion after a loss to Jacksonville in December, I'll join in the chorus but I'm not going to flip my lid over an ugly loss to an awful team in September. It's still waaay too early.

It's a bad loss. I acknowledge that. All I'm saying is that for those of us who weren't booking tickets to Dallas in February this shouldn't be the end of the world as we know it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Nightmare scenario right now. It could turn out to be a fluke loss -- not that anyone who's watched the Skins for the past decade is going to believe that -- but through 3 games we're a bad team going nowhere fast, except we've already traded 3 picks in next year's draft for our "upgraded" 2010 squad.

As I was watching yesterday's debacle, that's all I kept thinking...where is the help going to come from? How are we gonna replace some of these old/worthless players with young talent when we have very few draft picks in 2011?

Posted by: mattylight | September 27, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

The REAL problem is in this sickning statistic:
In 3 games we have only scored 13 points after halftime, and only 3 points in the 4th quarter.
That's 6 quarters folks, not including OT to the Texans. Adjustments are not being made at Halftime or any time in the 2nd half, and that's all coaching. You can scream all you want about "we don't have the right players", or "give it time, we have new schemes". Schemes or players don't mean sh*t when we have the lead or are competitive in games in the First Half, but we see the OTHER team make adjustments and find a way to get back into the game. These coaches need to figure out how to make this team better DURING the game. I don't put full blame on the players for being 1-2, we should be 3-0.

Posted by: monk811 | September 27, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Well, who here didn't see that comin'?

This game had trap written all over it. It was.

The positional analysis everyone is going through (Keim's work is great, btw) is valid - but you could fix all those problems and still loose. And conversely, you can still have those problems and win.

We've shown that the last two weeks. This week, the team decided to buy their own hype (no one on FOX picked the Rams, no one).

This coarching staff must begin calling to win the game. The second half was ridiculous. We started showing promise and then never reacted to Spag's adjustments.

McNabb played well, considering. Portis was nice - why don't they play him. I don't want to hear any more BS about who the starter is on this team, though I'm sure the h8rs are going to pile it on. I'll ITA from the outset, 'cause he's proved it until they get Tomlinson. I just don't understand why Kyle thinks this is the AFC.

I have sympathy for Haslett, but may I suggest going back and looking at the problems DoubleG had running the D you're trying to? 3-4/4-3 doesn't matter if you're running cover & tampa2. This squad can't do that. STOP having the safeties react to plays and free them up to knock people around. That's what you did in week 1 and it worked - don't get away from it 'cause of the stats. You're last anyway - what's the point? Make people scared. THAT's the point.

And finally - JayTay was a beast in Miamuh last nite. Anyone want to rag on him again? Didn't think so. He did squat for us, but that was kinda our fault. We do that to people... just suck the life outta 'em. (Stompy.)

Hail.
Monday.
Sukkit.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 27, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Oldest team in the league with the least amount of young, up and coming players. The draft is the ONLY way to fix that, and it takes years.

Posted by: divi3 | September 27, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

moe, while I agree with what you're saying, I don't think its a we want it all now mentality...just the simple, easy stuff is what we want...

they have 2 very talented tight ends, but seemed to ignore them until 4 minutes were left in the game

they have an extremely talented player in AH, who they need to use much, much more often

they haven't gotten anything from Galloway/Williams, or anyone else at the #2, or #3 WR Spot, but they REFUSE to give DT a chance....

how did the rams go up and down the field yesterday...Haz needs to be held accountable for the last 2 games...or is it a case where, "he called the plays to work".......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, Moe...as always, fans are prisoners of the moment and not looking at the big picture.

Here's hoping we have a FO that's doing the latter like Pioli...

srobert, if you wanna project everything to be negative, be my guest. Sounds to me like every move that doesn't have immediate payoff is a bad one, every coach that hasn't had a #1 offense/defense ranking is a bad hire, and nothing is ever gonna work ever because it looks bad on paper. It's gonna be a pretty miserable 2010 for you my friend...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse


AH needs to be in the game or else we can't stop the run

Posted by: mattylight | September 27, 2010 8:23 AM |

the rams ran the ball right at AH for the go ahead TD. if we can get a 4th rounder for this loser that again mailed it in, so be it !

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"..how did the rams go up and down the field yesterday.."

Excellent point.

Jim Mora, jr. said it seemed that the rams were taking advantage of where the redskin corners where playing.

Bradford and the receiver made 'sight adjustments' and he delievered the ball to whichever receiver that didn't have a corner playing up close in his face.

The result?: an easy 4-6 yards on first down, which then equals a 2nd and 6/4.

The rams chose to counteract the redskin pressure by using short passing plays on first down as running plays.

Then, they'd fake that action, and throw upfield once the defense pursued and put itself out of position to make a play.

What they were doing--with a rookie quarterback mind you--was very simple.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

they have an extremely talented player in AH who rarely makes an impact because he's a loaf, who they would use much, much more often if he had the ability to keep his head in the game for more than one play...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2010 8:34 AM

There, fixed it for ya.

For the love of God people...how in the world can you think not playing AH is the problem when A) it's the secondary getting lit up, B) our NT is getting pushed around, not our RDE, and C) when AH is in the game he's getting straight punked. I mean, really...if this guy were a magic elixir that just makes everything on defense magic, don't you think we would have been better on D last year?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning RI Bretheren!

How is everyone this fine Monday!

I had the most horrible nightmare last night. I dreamt that the Skins were still a laughingstock in the NFL; that our Oline was still in shambles; that our offense was inept in the red-zone; that our defense was an overrated hype-machine that couldn;t stop the most mediocre of offenses in the league.

But thank goodness we hired Shanahan, whose mere presence at Redskins park was instantly going to upgrade the team and cure all of these woes with one...

...wait a minute...

WTH?!??!! 30-16?!?!?!?!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!?!

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Haslett needs to be put on notice....


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2010 8:10 AM |

"Okay, Jim. Enough is enough. Here's the deal. If the D looks bad against the Eagles this week, you'll be in the box and we're bringing Sherm Lewis back to call the defense. Any questions?"

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Pioli has drafted players who fit the scheme and fit in well with Herm Edwards' leftovers.

Pioli had serveral quality draft picks to work with, while we trade ours for PATCH WORK PLAYERS to TIE us over. doesn't fit the rebuild mold.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

btw, love the idea of Hunter coming back. Having a true "fake" threat will make another aspect of our team dangerous.

Doom & gloomers - you have good analysis, it's your conclusion I have a problem with. It's inaccurate and tainted by emotion.

btw, did anyone else see the headlined reasoning behind JC's benching in OakTowne? something like Slow & Unresponsive... hahahaha took them 2 games to figure out what it took our FO 4 years... lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 27, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I told you so.

Your team is built on a shaky foundation and therefore, you will never actually build anything that will last. You lost to the worst team in the NFL and you still think Shanahan and McNabb will change your prospects? They are part of the problem, nitwits!

Now where are those doe-eyed dreamers who were predicting a 14-2 season for the Redskins?

Star Pride!!

Posted by: BigBlueStar | September 27, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

beep, sounds about right...

brown, the secondary is getting lit up because the DL can't get pressure....how many sacks did Carter/Rak have at this point last year??

Right now, ACarter is like the invisible man out there....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

And finally - JayTay was a beast in Miamuh last nite. Anyone want to rag on him again? Didn't think so. He did squat for us, but that was kinda our fault. We do that to people... just suck the life outta 'em. (Stompy.)

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 27, 2010 8:31 AM |

It a multi-way street. Taylor, Lloyd, Haynie - bring them in and they do squat. Taylor, Lloyd - they leave and become world beaters. Devin Thomas - fast, strong, agile, 2nd round pick - 3rd on the depth chart. Jason Campbell - 3 yrs starting QB, now back-up QB on bottom feeder Oak.

Posted by: LibertyValence | September 27, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse


I'm not going to flip my lid over an ugly loss to an awful team in September. It's still waaay too early.

brown, just because folks criticize the skins in week 3 doesn't mean they're flipping their lids. this team is still making bad moves in the off season is how I see it.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

brown, the secondary is getting lit up because the DL can't get pressure....how many sacks did Carter/Rak have at this point last year??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2010 8:50 AM


That's been a problem here for years...yet the secondary was good enough to overcome it. So they don't get a free pass, here. The Rams are one of the few teams with a WR core worse than ours, yet they moved the ball with ease.

I don't know how many sacks 'Rak and Carter had this time last year...all I know is that we lost to the Lions at this exact same juncture.

That's apples/oranges anyway...they were playing DE, not LB. New D, new system. Takes time...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Portis was nice - why don't they play him.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 27, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

!?!? Portis was not nice. Portis is done. Finished. Finito. Cooked. Here's the story.


THE DEAL WITH PORTIS

by p1funk


Clinton Portis has become Shaun Alexander.

Remember the season before Shaun Alexander dropped off of the face of the earth? He broke his wrist and was playing with a cast, so he developed this "mail-it-in" running style to favor his injured arm - anytime he anticipated contact, he would do a half turn, put his back toward the defender and sit down on the ground.

I think Portis had a revelation about his life in the offseason after he got crushed in the open field in Atlanta and suffered a season-ending concussion and couldn't see straight for weeks.

Portis realized he's creeping on 30 years old; he's got alot of money; and ideally he's got most of his life in front of him still; and he does not want to go through it as a a hobbled cripple.

BUT.

He also has this contract that's going to kick out $6mill for him if he plays.

SO.

He's developed a "mail-it-in" running style to protect his noodle. Anytime he anticipates contact (especially in the open field - which is where/how he got crushed in Atlanta), he cradles the ball, hunches his shoulders, and puts his head down. Because you cannot run, cut or juke at full speed when you aren't watching where you are going, he inevitably slips/falls on the ground when he does this.

He did this on that "long" run against Dallas.

He did this on that "long" run against St. Louis.

He does this at the line of scrimmage if there is any traffic.

He does not want another crushing open-field hit that will knock him into Aikman-land.

Bye CP, thanks for the memories.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

this team wont be good until majority of the players on both sides of the ball are replaced. That's the hard reality, and it's a bitter pill to swallow because that type of change takes several years.

Posted by: divi3 | September 27, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

It a multi-way street. Taylor, Lloyd, Haynie - bring them in and they do squat. Taylor, Lloyd - they leave and become world beaters. Devin Thomas - fast, strong, agile, 2nd round pick - 3rd on the depth chart. Jason Campbell - 3 yrs starting QB, now back-up QB on bottom feeder Oak.

Posted by: LibertyValence | September 27, 2010 8:51 AM

Leigh Torrence, Chase Daniels, Pearson Preliou = Poopy_McPoop in DC; Super Bowl in NO.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"Oldest team in the league with the least amount of young, up and coming players. The draft is the ONLY way to fix that, and it takes years."

I agree 100% Divi.

I keep thinking about Cerrato saying "The cubbert is not bare" and want to punch him in the face and say "Yes it is, dumbazz!"

It's gonna be a few seasons.

The current team still has Cerrato's thumb print, that's not going to change over night.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 27, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

this team wont be good until majority of the players on both sides of the ball are replaced.

Posted by: divi3 | September 27, 2010 8:59 AM |

I believe this.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

srobert, if you wanna project everything to be negative, be my guest. Sounds to me like every move that doesn't have immediate payoff is a bad one, every coach that hasn't had a #1 offense/defense ranking is a bad hire, and nothing is ever gonna work ever because it looks bad on paper. It's gonna be a pretty miserable 2010 for you my friend...

Posted by: brownwood26

Come on Brown. You are all over the board now. You are the guy that thinks every move is good because it makes them better now. I have been preaching that they should have dismantled the team and committed to rebuilding this year. Unloaded players like Fletcher, Carter and others with value for draft picks. Not trading picks for McNabb. I don't mind losing if you are building for the future. All of the moves since the new regime took over had a win now mentality and the team is barely treading water. Is adding McNabb really worth winning 6 or 7 games vs 4 with Campbell? The schedule gets brutal from here on out. There are only 2 or 3 games where they may actually be even money or better.

As for Haslett. His a decent DC with a background in the 4-3. He has never been considered a great DC. I just don't see how people expected him to come in and switch to a 3-4 and have success this season.

It is going to be a miserable 2010 for all Redskins fans because the team is going to win 6 or 7 games and the outlook is not going to be much better next season because there are going to be in the same place they were last off season. Lots of holes and few draft picks. This team looks bad on paper and on the field. I would love to hear how you think this team is going to get better over the next two years? How are they going to replace all of the older players? How are they going to improve this year? Do you see them winning 8 games this season? If so how do they get there? I just don't see it and it is disappointing when they took a win now approach in the off season.

Posted by: srobert1117 | September 27, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd went for 160 and a TD yesterday, making all the deep acrobatic catches that we gave him $20 mill to make for us...

...as if losing to the Lambs wasn't already a swift kick to the nads...

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

P1 ITA. You're an idiot.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 27, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Hess, just to review some of the highlights from this thread:

"This is looking like a rerun of so many other Redskin teams. Everything changes and nothing changes. The sad thing is that I do not see this team being able to improve this season."

"I said it before the season and will say it again. This team has more holes than swiss cheese. Trading for McNabb was a mistake because he was not the final piece to the puzzle."

"It's going to be a long season, we didn't just go 4-12 because of Zorn, we went 4-12 because we sucked, and we still suck."

Sounds like flipping out to me...not a constructive criticism in there.

I'm not saying losing to the Rams isn't unacceptable because it is. Transition year or not, you should win the easiest game on your schedule. But it's Week 3 in Year 1 of a new regime. Not time to hit the panic button is all I'm sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

The current team still has Cerrato's thumb print, that's not going to change over night.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 27, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse


Don't buy it.

It's Obama's economy.

It's Shanny's team.

He had a blank check to cut, sign and re-sign players, especially in a year with no salary cap ramifications.

*Giving Rabach a 3-year extension was not Vinny's move.

*Shuffling Dock/Lich was not Vinny's move.

*Playing out this CP/LJ fiasco was not Vinny's move.

*Hiring a D-coordinator who wanted to go 3-4 with 4-3 personnel was not Vinny's move.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd went for 160 and a TD yesterday, making all the deep acrobatic catches that we gave him $20 mill to make for us...

...as if losing to the Lambs wasn't already a swift kick to the nads...

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2010 9:05 AM |

And Jason Campbell sat on the bench for Oakland. So what? Concentrate on the important stuff: Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse


The current team still has Cerrato's thumb print, that's not going to change over night.

- Ray

I agree ray, but what are we doing trading draft picks for mcnabb and brown ? to me that just doesn't equate to rebuilding, it equates to doing business as usual.


Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

P1 ITA. You're an idiot.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 27, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse


Back atcha, bro.

Keep feeding Clinton Portis the rock.

We'll see who the idiot is.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Good news! An Albert Haynesworth update!!!!

Follow the leader. Follow

beep beep

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

With Smith back, the offense should pick up EVEN MORE.

Posted by: WorstSeat | September 27, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

11-5 brownwood.

We will beat Philly on Sunday.

I think the Skins were just looking ahead to next week.

Trent will be back and McNabb will go off!

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 27, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Not time to hit the panic button is all I'm sayin'...

I hear ya brown, and I'm not going to panic over this team, believe me. there's nothing to panic about on the field, because the skins aren't a very good team. that said, how can you deny the fact that we had few draft picks for next year and the new FO is trading them away. i'm all in for the rebuild, question is, when does it begin ? you might not be concerned about the draft now, but speaking about the management of this team is something to consider after a decade of doing business as usual.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

2. Too many guys are out of position on defense » And here’s another problem. Listen, I like the 3-4 and I never bought the Redskins defense of the past couple years as being an elite one. They kept their team in games; they didn’t change games. So if you want to switch, that’s fine. That’s not the point; but they still need two more starting linemen; another starting outside linebacker and maybe another inside linebacker, one who weighs more than what they have now. This is a 4-3 team trying to play a 3-4. That makes for a rough transition. Next year, perhaps, this defense will roll. For now, it’ll struggle.--KLEIN


Wrong. The team also has serious issues on the other side of the ball. It will be years before they can complete the transition to the overrated 3-4. And Haslet is no genius.

Plus theyll need BRILLIANT scouting like Pittsburgh has to find the linebackers they need. Right now they have two undersized guys (and one old one) in the middle and two defensive linemen playing outside LB.

That's a lot of needs. You can't fix that in one draft when you need CBs, a nose guard on D, plus a OLIneman or two, a running back, two receivers etc on offense. Oh yeah, and a young QB, because McNabb will be gone by the time you fix it.

The 'skins would have been better advised to stick with the 4-3, play players in positions they were drafted for,

This is a bad team.

Posted by: TheCork | September 27, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Portis is clearly afraid of getting another concussion ... understandably . . . but that makes him an ineffective running back in this league. For his own well being, it's time to hang it up.

Posted by: ronsarromsncom | September 27, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Here is a simple explanation of the Skin's current problems. Owner Daniel Snyder's decade of interference through the draft and free agent spending on "THE" player, has left us in a hole that cannot be climbed out of in only one season. The coaches and GM will do fine. But, it will take time to change directions of the Titanic, especially while it is sinking!

Posted by: stevesuders | September 27, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Remember that crazy trick play last year at the end of the half when the Skins tipped their hand against the Giants and then ran it again anyway?

I'm all for Hunter - if the Skins are going to stink, at least make it entertaining.

Posted by: nativedc | September 27, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

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