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Cerrato Looks Ahead

Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins' executive vice president for football operations, praised coach Jim Zorn most for his work with quarterback Jason Campbell and, while stopping well short of declaring Campbell the quarterback of the future (that will be evaluated on a yearly basis, he said), did toss a few compliments Campbell's way.

In other newsy-type nuggets (there weren't many and he had spoken recently with Jason Reid) in the roughly 15-minute meeting with the media, Cerrato said that any changes in the coaching staff would be Zorn's call entirely ("That's up to Jim."). Zorn made it clear at his press conference Monday that he was pleased with his staff and saw no need to make changes.

The Redskins are still very early in their evaluation of this 8-8 season, and the full scale personnel meetings won't begin until Jan.15. Cerrato said basically what Joe Gibbs always said about acquiring talent and upgrading the roster - with no real hints at a blueprint other than "we'll look at everything."

Since the process has barely begun, Cerrato wasn't in position to say much. When given an open-ended question on his early evaluation about the biggest needs on the team after watching 16 weeks of football, he said: "I won't know until we get through everything. You've got to evaluate everything and it takes a while."

The coaches will be off, but Cerrato and his staff will be working, and when the coaches return Jan. 15 they will dissect the entire roster as an organization - coaches, scouts, execs and training staff - and determine who remains, who is gone, and what to target in the offseason.

Then it's off to college all-star games and Cerrato said his staff will have full scouting reports prepared for the coaches on every potential free agent and trade-market player on Jan. 22. The coaches will break down film of those players and the staff will meet again to put "Redskins" grades on players. Then Cerrato and owner Daniel Snyder will go shopping. The process is virtually the same for the draft.

The general tenor of Cerrato's remarks was that "8-8 is not good enough," and that the team needs to win more games at home. Cerrato did not immediately place the blame on himself - in the mold of Joe Gibbs, or as Jim Zorn did after the loss to Cincy - but when asked about the role of personnel, he accepted some responsibility.

"I can't stand here and say that we did enough, because we're not still playing and we were 8-8," Cerrato said. "To me if you're 8-8, it's not good enough."

Does that prompt more introspection as to how they acquire talent, and specifics as to where it went wrong? "Absolutely. You evaluate everything and you look back on every situation. The only people that probably don't have to do that are the teams that are holding the trophy. Otherwise, everybody else is going through the same thing."

(Not sure I can go along with that logic. Some teams have more deeply-rooted issues than others. I doubt Bill Belichick coming off his 11-5 finish has a need to rethink the way his organization operates or its overall efficiency. For a franchise without consecutive nine-win seasons since 1992, I'd say it's a stretch to lump yourself in with every other non-playoff team. But that's just my take).

Cerrato defended the failures of the 2008 draft class for the most part, saying, "If they would have been healthy ... " to explain the lack of a big play from the three pass catchers he took in the second round.

I asked him if he still believes there are future starters lurking among the nine draft picks still here (safety Chris Horton is the only one who grabbed a starting job), and he said "absolutely."

"I think we'll see marked improvement from all those guys, and their contributions will have to be a lot more next year," Cerrato said.

He pointed to how well WR Malcolm Kelly performed in training camp, but conceded that the team will have to closely monitor the youngster's bad knees, although there have been no new complications in the past month. He also mentioned DE Rob Jackson as someone to watch next season.

On Jason Campbell, Cerrato praised his ability to protect the football, calling it "a huge improvement." Campbell's ability to rally the team in the fourth quarter also earned Cerrato's respect. "I think he's made progress," Cerrato said. "He has improved ... Is he where he wants to be? No."

However, he stopped short of a ringing endorsement of Campbell as the guy to finally take the reins for years to come. Cerrato essentially pointed out that Campbell is under contract for another year and is the starter for 2009. He did not sound like someone ready to give Campbell a contract extension or commit to him long term. When asked if Campbell was the quarterback of the future, Cerrato said: "What you do is you just go year-to-year and you have to evaluate everything."

As for Zorn, his first major hire in his new role, Cerrato likened his first year as a head coach to being a rookie player.

"You learn a lot and a lot of things that come for the first time that you hadn't seen or aren't used to dealing with that you got a chance to deal with and he'll make a lot of progress from year one to year two," Cerrato said.

When asked if there was anything that stood out to him about working with Zorn, anything unexpected or different, Cerrato said: "Nothing glaring comes to my mind."

As for the draft, it's too early to determine the worth of Washington's first pick - 13th overall - and to determine if it makes sense to try to trade back and acquire more talent, Cerrato said.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 31, 2008; 1:40 PM ET
 
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How much of this post is actually true?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | December 31, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

First to say Vinny is worthless

Posted by: Devo2 | December 31, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

It sucks that it is going to take a 3-13 to finally get rid of Cerrato.

Posted by: jcmanuel25 | December 31, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Kelly someone to watch next season? on IR or intensive care? hopefully on the field at some point...Which paraplegics you rec Vinny's got his eye on in the bowls?

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | December 31, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Ceratto should be looking behind him

Posted by: HenryHog | December 31, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Once again we're reminded how well Malcolm Kelly performed in training camp. That's comforting. Enjoy the off season Vinny you deserve it!

Posted by: mack1 | December 31, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

(From previous)
This is the gist that I'm getting from JLa's "sources" and his opinions:

We sign Hall long-term.
We re-sign Springs.
Rogers and Smoot don't survive past next year (if that long).
Justin Tryon is at best a 4th CB in this league.

So despite our secondary being the greatest strength of this team, we are essentially going to blow the whole thing up?

Since 2006, Springs has started 29 of a possible 48 games. That's 19 games that our "No.1" CB has missed or played sparingly in due to injury. I don't see him getting more durable as time goes on and he gets deeper into his 30's. If we extend him and pay him like he's still a top corner in this league (which is what I would imagine he's going to demand) it would be a HUGE mistake.

Which would basically leave us with Hall and Tryon in a year...Ughh.

BTW- What is the deal with Byron Westbrook? This guy is a cornerback that has been on the team for like 2-3 years and besides "simulating" his brother in prep for the Eagles games, I don't know of any contribution he's made...JLa doesn't even mention him in the breakdown.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
as always, brought to you by the people that still work at Yahoo!

Remember your old fridge back in college? You'd go there and look at it and wonder which stuff had expired and which stuff was still worth keeping. And there was always the stuff you didn't like, but had to keep because you didn't have money to get something better.

Recall that quart of milk? I'll call it Jansen. You take one whiff, know its bad, but for some inexplicable reason, you put it back anyway.

And there is that great steak that never seems to go bad (call it Fletcher) that you want to last forever. You keep it because its the best thing you got, and and hope it doesn't go bad tomorrow. There is that moldy bread that just has to go, but maybe you can peel some the mold off and keep it around just a bit longer (call it Kendall). There are those 2 overpriced pieces of cake that looked really good at first, but didn't taste so good (call them Taylor and Carter). There's that stuff your girlfriend made that was good when fresh, but the flavor is gone (call it Springs and Washington).

On the shelf, you've got 10 cans of of variety meat. One can was good OK (call it Horton), one can rusted and you had to punt it into the trash. The 8 other cans are mystery meat. Maybe they'll look better later. Wishful thinking.

There are some morsels worth keeping, but its not enough to get you thru payday and going hungry isn't an option. So you keep stuff that your pretty sure is going to make you sick to your stomach. To make matters worse, you've got a limited budget since you traded away nearly 1/2 of your next paycheck for tix to a show and the band didn't even show up and Parcells doesn't do refunds.

But most of all, there is this thought that gnaws at you in the deep recesses of your mind. One day, you're gonna have to clean this thing out.

Which brings me to my new nickname for the Skins offseason: Vinny's Fridge.

And that's the last ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES for the season, appropriately a New Year's Eve Edition. Thanks to the people that still work at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

You should see this team in practice, they look like Superbowl contenders. ISN'T THAT ENOUGH???


PS - this article reeks of sarcasm and bitterness.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 31, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

If you don't want to say Campbell has that 'magic touch' as a quarterback, why not say 'for the offense, all positions are up for grabs'.

Campbell just is not an accurate thrower and you can teach a quarterback everything but accuracy.

We've all seen enough of him to know he has a gun for an arm.

But he never hits receivers in stride-- a serious issue in the WCO as the 'yards after catch' is what makes 2nd and 10, 3rd and short, or 1st down.

And I'm not a member of the Cult O' Colt-- yet, but the guy was very accuracy for June Jones while in college.

A Redskins' offense featuring a variety of formations and speedy skill position players that plays out of the shotgun on 1st down would be very interesting to watch over the next couple of years, especially as Portis' eventual wearing down continues.

I'd like Cerrato to explain why the team kept three quarterbacks on the roster, but only let one play all season-- another curious use of personnel for a team that could've used an additional o-lineman or linebacker in some games.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Wait...so JLa and Vinny actually has a conversation about the Redskins that did not result in hair-pulling and name-calling???

I guess anything is possible for the New Year!

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

p1funk ... totally agree

Keep it simple. The secondary was THE strength of this team.

Mgmt should do their best to keep this unit together. Some paychecks will change. Springs is going to take a paycut because no one is going to give him significant guaranteed $$.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I purchased a fridge in college but on move-in day I was told we couldn't have seperate fridges.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 31, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I get Cerrato's take on evaluating Campbell "year-to-year".

When I read between the lines, I guess he's saying "If Campbell doesn't improve next year, we're not signing him long-term".

How do you have a "year-to-year" evaluation policy with a guy who is under contract for only one more year?

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato mentioned Roddy White.

I seemed to have remember mentioning Roddy White last week to a few bloggers to show how you can be called a bust year 1 and be an all pro a few years later....

I forgot who that was calling me crazy and all.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 31, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

fire cerrato, the body of work is there.

Posted by: dadanimal | December 31, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

for people that are saying tryon is at best a 3rd or 4th corner, how in the hell would we ever know that? he's never played. but we can assume that if came from the '08 cerrato draft class' that he wouldn't make any team in the NFL. can we go 1-15 next year, then get a worthwhile GM to make the playoffs? this franchise is in the gutter.

Posted by: dadanimal | December 31, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

4th,

That topic came up before b/c Vinny mentioned it before on his show. Today was second time he brought it up. I still don't think it is valid, and wouldn't look to Vinny statements as back up. The convo always started with Vinny's analogy.

But whateves if either of these dudes turn out to be roddy white by year 3 (or match his season 1/2 numbers year 2) I will be siked.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

4th = Vinny Cerrato

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 31, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Its really easy. You get rid of the guys that are going to suck next year and keep the ones that are going to play well next year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato mentioned Roddy White.

I seemed to have remember mentioning Roddy White last week to a few bloggers to show how you can be called a bust year 1 and be an all pro a few years later....

I forgot who that was calling me crazy and all.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 31, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The issue was never with Roddy White. The issue was with Mike Vick - who, although could throw the ball 80 yards in a straight line with no arc, couldn't seem to throw a completion to a wide receiver.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Unhappy New Year Vinny. You suck.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | December 31, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

4th, hate to call you out on this but these are roddy white's stats his rookie year:

29 catches for 446 yards and 3 TD's.

roddy white out gained in every category by 3 times vs. combined stats for 3 pass catchers of vinny.

for him to bring up roddy white is pretty stupid.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 31, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Springs has to go...

Time to try to get a little younger at that position

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 31, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Wait...so JLa and Vinny actually has a conversation about the Redskins that did not result in hair-pulling and name-calling???

vinny has greg, i mean larry michael to do that for him.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 31, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Wasnt Roddy White the announcer on the Price is Right?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 31, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

no, matchgame and before that to tell the truth

Posted by: connskins | December 31, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Vinny evaluates everybody...

...so who evaluates Vinny?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

if vinny is calling roddy white a bust in his rookie year then what does he call his rookies?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 31, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, hate to call you out on this but these are roddy white's stats his rookie year:

29 catches for 446 yards and 3 TD's.

roddy white out gained in every category by 3 times vs. combined stats for 3 pass catchers of vinny.

for him to bring up roddy white is pretty stupid.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 31, 2008 2:19 PM

But he was playing as the #1 WR. Those are terrible stats!

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 31, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Vinny evaluates everybody...

...so who evaluates Vinny?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2008 2:34 PM

Dan Snyder. I, personally, wouldn't want to have to have him writing my annual performance review.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 31, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Bring back Charley Casserly or Bobby Betherd

Posted by: pquick6165 | December 31, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Whats the word on Suisham? Wasnt he literally the worst kicker in the league?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 31, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The issue was never with Roddy White. The issue was with Mike Vick - who, although could throw the ball 80 yards in a straight line with no arc, couldn't seem to throw a completion to a wide receiver.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:14 PM

That's what Campbell does. So you are for getting rid of Campbell then, right?

Also, Crumpler was willing to catch Vick's (foot) balls. So what was Whites excuse?

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 31, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

4th, hate to call you out on this but these are roddy white's stats his rookie year:

29 catches for 446 yards and 3 TD's.

roddy white out gained in every category by 3 times vs. combined stats for 3 pass catchers of vinny.

for him to bring up roddy white is pretty stupid.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 31, 2008 2:19 PM

But he was playing as the #1 WR. Those are terrible stats!

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 31, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

EVERY #1 wide receiver who played with Mick Vick had terrible stats...whereas Alge Crumpler went to the ProBowl every year.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Vinny evaluates everybody...

...so who evaluates Vinny?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2008 2:34 PM
===========================================

Lisa Simpson: I mean, if you're the police, who will police the police?

Homer Simpson: I dunno. Coast Guard?

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 31, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

4th = Maverick

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 31, 2008 2:13 PM

Corrected. Sorry, I am on no one side...

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 31, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Just had a good laugh, type "Vinny Cerrato" into google, read his bio on wikipedia.

RE: Second stint with Redskins

"he was known as "Racquetball Boy" and fetcher of small woodland creatures for Daniel Snyder".

Posted by: guruvinny | December 31, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The issue was never with Roddy White. The issue was with Mike Vick - who, although could throw the ball 80 yards in a straight line with no arc, couldn't seem to throw a completion to a wide receiver.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:14 PM

That's what Campbell does. So you are for getting rid of Campbell then, right?

Also, Crumpler was willing to catch Vick's (foot) balls. So what was Whites excuse?

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 31, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to give Campbell more than 1 season in a system before making that call.

But let's not forget that Santana Moss went over 1000 yards in this anemic run-first offense, so it would seem that Campbell has no problem getting the ball to AT LEAST his #1 WR...can't say the same for Vick.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't see why they have to make a decision on Rogers? He's under contract for another year and will be a restricted FA the following. Who cares if CR22 cries if D Hall gets a big contract. He's earned that right as a FA. When CR22 is a FA, then he'll get his big contract.

IF he holds out, let him..... Hold Springs one more year at Free Safety, LaRon back where he belongs at Strong, and Horton can play in that COBRA package. That eliminates Smoot....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 31, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have a ton of guys that are close to the end:

Griffin
Taylor
Daniels
Fletcher
Washington
Springs
Jansen
R Thomas
Rabach
Kendall
Samuels
Sellers
Collins

And a few more that might age more quickly:

Portis
Carter (at 3 sacks, yes)
Rocky
Moss (aging hamstrings)

There are a few depth guys (ie Thrash, Fabini), but they aren't impact guys with impact contracts.

The question isn't whether these guys will be gone within a couple years, its when.

I'll admit it right now -- I don't know how best to stock Vinny's Fridge.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

4th=lone wolf, lose canon, free thinker, flying solo, lone gunman, contrarian,

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 31, 2008 2:46 PM

corrected...sorry Maverick has sort of lost cache....didn't want you mis-branded.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S VOICE-O-REASON...

On a previous post, someone mentioned that, "this team is in the gutter".

I wouldn't go that far...The Lions and Raiders are in the gutter. We've got problems but not as extreme.

This team has an above average, but not elite defense. Despite the lack of a pass rush, turnovers, etc., with any piece of an offense and this team is a deep playoff contender.

The problem, in my opinion, is that this team is old on offense and has very little talent that scares opposing defenses. When healthy, you have to respect Moss, Portis and maybe Cooley, but Portis' best days are behind him. Joe Gibbs' mantra was to stick with the grizzled veteran (Brunell, Jansen, etc.) We made critical mistakes in free agency on offense from which we have yet to recover. After listening to Zorn on the radio yesterday, it sounds like the youngbucks will get a shot next season. If we can build depth on the O-line, I think we improve by two or three wins.

I don't hate Snyder. I don't hate Cerratto. The jury is still out on Ceratto. I think what has plagued this team is always thinking they are one player away.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

But let's not forget that Santana Moss went over 1000 yards in this anemic run-first offense, so it would seem that Campbell has no problem getting the ball to AT LEAST his #1 WR...can't say the same for Vick.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:47 PM

And if Campbell didn't throw the ball to Santana like he was 6'6", than Santana would have had 1,500 yards and waay more TDs too...........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 31, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

FYI,

RODDY WHITE WAS labeled a "Bust" and rightlfully so. The guy had problems running the right routes and remember the playbook....... ( Sound familiar? )

Most Rookie receivers don't make huge impacts in YEAR 1.... Don't judge in 1st year.....

REMEMBER ALL OF THE EXPERTS Ragging on the Texans for taking Mario Williams over BUSH and Houston's favorite Son VY!!!! Now who's the smart franchise??? Drafts need 3 solid years before a proper evaluation.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 31, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Jasno doesn't know WTF he's talking about, as usual.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Cut Kelly, Davis and Thomas.

As rookies, they didn't produce, so it's time to give up on them.

That's a sure-fire way to build a winner.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't really argue people called roddy white a bust for his first 1.5 seasons....I just wish our busts put up Roddy's numbers during their bust seasons is all.....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I would be interested in how much input Cerratto had when Gibbs was here. Who is responsible for:

Lloyd
Archuletta
Duckett
wasted picks

In no way am I saying that Vinny is without fault, but was it Vinny that doesn't value the draft or Gibbs? It's no secret that Gibbs was not fond of rookies or young players. For those of you that are historians, if you remember the same thing happended with the HOGS. I distinctly remember Madden saying in 93 that "Gibbs let this team get old".

I think the finger should point to Cerratto, Snyder and GIBBS

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Griffin - GONE
Taylor - GONE
Daniels - Maybe saved at Vet Minimum
Fletcher - 3 solid yrs left in his lil tank
Washington- GONE
Springs - ???
Jansen - Here another year
R Thomas - HERE another 3
Rabach - 1 - 2 yrs at best. (value dropped big time this year)
Kendall - HERE if accepts VET MINIMUM
Samuels - 3 yrs
Sellers - As long as he wants
Collins - 1 yr

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 31, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

or combined for his numbers...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Good Point Clegg!

Mario Williams made a huge impact this year! Reggie Bush continues to be just a good all purpose player.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

TJ DUCKETT, that one burns me more than Archuletta does..... That was proof of the disconnect between Gibbs and FO. If GIBBS pushed for it, he certainly would've received more than the 15 - 20 carries that he got.

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 31, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Needs for next year - assuming they don't trade rogers.

WR, 2 OL, DT, DE, LB

Assets:
First and Third round draft picks. 13 to 20 million under the cap, depending on Springs.

Options:

WR - Most likely will hope that Kelly or Thomas develops. Houshmazilli will likely be available, but is older and expensive.

OL - Jordan Gross from Carolina is available. I would use the third rounder here. Also maybe the first if you get a DE in free agency.

DE - Peppers and Lee Suggs are available. I'd probably go with Suggs or draft a DE in the first round. Doing both would be really good. Peppers = Jevon Kearse. Signing him would bring back memories of Bruce Smith but with a huge paycheck.

DT - Haynesworth is really the only available FA. The rest are depth guys similar to what we have. The only place to really break the bank.

LB - Several servicable starters available. Maybe go after Bart Scott if available. Get enough to get by in '09 then look to need 2 or 3 guys here in 2010.

So I say sign Gross and Haynesworth, Suggs if you can get him for the right price. Draft a DE in 1st, and an OL in 3rd. Get a serviceable LB to replace Washington. Starting OL is Samuels, Kendall or the 3rd rounder, Rabach, Rhineheart, and Gross, with Heyer and either Kendall or the 3rd Rounder in reserve. Some actual depth on OL.

Posted by: Snydersucks | December 31, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Clegg,

I disagree with you on the following:

Taylor- will stay if he accepts less money; I think you let Carter go and move Taylor to his natural position. Carter is not a difference maker. I think Taylor, when healthy can be much better than Carter

Thomas- May be done here. I heard he's having surgery this offseason.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

THANKS RICKY.

The knock on Bush was going to be durability b/c of his size..... THAT HOLDS TRUE!!! Mario is a beast

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 31, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

This blog. One year from now:

We all knew Zorn was going to take the fall. I mean 5-11? At least we know about Thomas, Kelly, Reinhart and Davis. Seriously, who woulda thought that Tryon was the best of his draft class? Guy is quick.

Guess Campbell is gone. No way he signs a contract to play behind a line that led the league in sacks.

Here's hoping Jim Fassel can turn this thing around ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd was worse than the Duckett deal. At least Duckett wasn't a complete ahole. And I think Gibbs definitely had a say in that. He panicked thinking Betts couldn't handle the load if Portis was out for a while with the shoulder. Both were horrible trades costing us 4 mid round picks if I recall correctly.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | December 31, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I approved of Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 31, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Snydersucks...

I wouldn't spend a penny or a pick on a WR. I'd pay big for Haynesworth, but I wouldn't invest big money in both Scott and Haynesworth. If I make any more FA splashes, it would be on the O-Line. Also, given the history of this defense and their ability to maximize talent, I'm not sure they should break the bank for a LB.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

SIC, seems to be a few of us who think keeping Taylor and getting rid of Carter makes sense. Andre isn't a pass rushing DE that anyone fears, but he's plenty expensive. Taylor might be good, if he's healthy and playing in position. If you've got a great player, play him in the position he's great. Not a long term solution, but Carter isn't a solution either

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I want to scream every time I see someone posts stats for Portis, Moss, and Campbell. Those stats don't mean jack. The Skins had the 19th ranked offense, the 23rd ranked passing offense, and the 28th ranked offense in terms of scoring. Given the limited number of TOs, that means the offense was GARBAGE. Moss was a 1000 yd receiver because he was the only guy to whom Campbell threw (after patting the ball 3x); his yds per reception has gone down every year since he's been a Redskin but are down 4 yds per since Campbell has been QBin'. Portis had nearly 1500 yds because he ran a lot. His ypc avg isn't even top 20 and his longest run was 29 yds. The point of offense is to score. Being great between the 20s means nothing.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

If healthy?!? IF HEALTHY?!?! Vinny acts like Kelly's knee troubles were some freak thing...everyone and their mom knew before the draft that this guy has bad knees!!! They'll be lucky to get over 30 career games out of this guy!!

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 31, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Carter is also plenty exspensive to cut....

NO to Haynesworth!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah zest...

I'm not ready to cut ties with Taylor yet. I think you ride him one more year in his natural position and draft his replacement.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok Chris Larry...

If not Haynesworth, then who???? I think he could be a good addition to this D-Line.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Snydersucks,

WR - The sneaky X-factor here is that Bobby Engram is also an FA. He would come much much cheaper than Housh, has gobs of years in the WCO that Zorn is trying to install, and can be a great tutor to the young WRs who are trying to learn it.

OL - Great if we can sign Gross, but I don't see us breaking the bank here. Otherwise develop Heyer for the LT spot. Draft, draft, draft. Get our young guys out there. Maybe move Samuels to RT to salvage a few more years out of his career.

DE - I'm against Peppers. He's gonna cost too much and is closing in on 30. Terrell Suggs is more of a LB hybrid. I hope we sign him. He's 26, can play LB and can rush the passer. Otherwise, I think we can get production out of the guys on our roster. Evans is a starter. Carter is going nowhere. We need to see what Wilson, Jackson, and Buzbee can give us. Maybe bring back Daniels at vet minimum to give us some run-stuffing play on run downs. Cut Taylor.

DT - Draft, draft, draft. Griff has to go or restructure to take a big paycut. I'm not sure how much I like breaking the bank on Haynesworth (which we'd have to do).

LB - See what I wrote about Suggs. Need to see what Fincher has. Not sure if HB Blades is a regular starter in this league, but seems to be able to fill in at all the LB spots, and that is valuable. What happened to Khary Campbell??

All in all, if we sign an FA for big $$, I hope is Suggs. He can fill a pass-rushing need and fill a need at LB, and he's the youngest of the lot (in terms of impact defensive FAs). Otherwise, I say we draft, draft, draft, and play the crap out of the young bucks like Rhinehart, Heyer, Fincher, Jackson, Wilson, etc. to see what we've got.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

CONTEST: Make a statement that will be kind of true one year from now. The most outrageous statement that is in the ballpark, wins:

Example: Fassel named Skins HC. Jansen elected to Pro Bowl. La Canfora to replace Cerrato as Skins GM. etc

I'll collect the statements over the next few days, post them and at this time next year, there will be a winner. Up to 5 statements per person.

Have at it:

My first statement:
Justin 'TD' Tryon makes 4 visits to the end zone on punt returns and picks

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Zorn fired

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't the offense take a cue from the defense?

The defense has Carter, Griffin, Taylor, and Golston starting with a solid rotation of Montgomery, Evans, Alexander (2 1/2 sacks at DT this year), Wilson and Jackson. Granted they didn't get much pressure, but they were good against the run. Again, you build on this with a acquiring a BEAST at DT or DE and solidify that OLB position and we're still in the top 10 in defense.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

cl, fair point on Carter. The Skins mgmt is tied up in knots with cap issues. Carter was awful this year and at his best, he's a modest force. A lot of decisions will be made this off season not based on performance, but on $$. Which is a sign of bad mgmt.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Cut Kelly, Davis and Thomas.

As rookies, they didn't produce, so it's time to give up on them.

That's a sure-fire way to build a winner.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

Uhhhhh, nice try at sarcasm. Actually, drafting players with bad knees, can't get out of bed, can't learn routes, can't study and can't get open when they do get on the field will not produce a winner either. I think that it was no coincidence that McMullen outplayed all the rookies in preseason. He came to camp ready to play while the rookies did not. What have you actually seen on the field that makes you think that these players are going to be good players?

Posted by: driley | December 31, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

HAYNESWORTH WILL NOT BE AROUND!!! Titans already negotiating long term deal with him.

What makes you think JT55 is going to take a pay cut? B/C he said he isn't worth $8 million? No chance he takes the pay cut.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 31, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is a fine player. But he has injuries to his legs already (dont all dudes that big?)both right now and over the last 3 years.

Also I think he is the poster boy for a dude who is super motivated till he gets the dream contract. We would give him the moon and he'd get fat(er), lazy and beat up.

Haven't the skins experienced this enough (stubblfield/gilbert/big daddy) to be sacred off.

Now if Haynesworth signs with 30 other teams he will probably be good and we will wonder why we didnt pull the trigger. But I just feel in my bones if skins got him it wouldn't turn out good.

Maybe I am wrong, and if we do sign him I hope I am. But right now it has "Backfire" written all over it.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

What's worse?

Vinny as the GM

Or

Not having one of those hemorrhoid pillows when you got a case of the rhoids?

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 31, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

contest statement:
Skin punter elected to Pro Bowl

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Clegg, this tard agrees with you! Haynesworth knows he needs to stay put I see him reupping with titans as well...

AND

this idea that Taylor will say "Hey can you pay me less" is laughable.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

They only way a guy takes a pay cut is if he still wants to play and he has no other options if getting cut is the alternative. A lot of guys will take less money and go play elsewhere rather than re-negotiate a contract to be paid less money by their current team.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

CONTEST: Make a statement that will be kind of true one year from now. The most outrageous statement that is in the ballpark, wins:

Example: Fassel named Skins HC. Jansen elected to Pro Bowl. La Canfora to replace Cerrato as Skins GM. etc

I'll collect the statements over the next few days, post them and at this time next year, there will be a winner. Up to 5 statements per person.

Have at it:

My first statement:
Justin 'TD' Tryon makes 4 visits to the end zone on punt returns and picks


Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly has a breakout year going over 1000 yards and 10 TDs..........after his bionic knee replacement surgery is successful.

Jason LaCanfora gets fired from WaPo after getting into a fight with Larry Michael at Redskins park - although it wasn't much of a "fight", it looked more like one of those elementary school playground tussles with 2 pudgy guys rolling around the floor on top of each other. LaCanfora landed a job as the Ravens' in-house reporter for their website.

Shawn Springs sits out half the season with injuries. After getting re-signed by the team to a 3 year extension with 15 million in guaranteed bonuses.

Terrell Suggs finishes the season leading the team with a dozen sacks.

London Fletcher is a ProBowl alternate.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Uhhhhh, nice try at sarcasm. Actually, drafting players with bad knees, can't get out of bed, can't learn routes, can't study and can't get open when they do get on the field will not produce a winner either. I think that it was no coincidence that McMullen outplayed all the rookies in preseason. He came to camp ready to play while the rookies did not. What have you actually seen on the field that makes you think that these players are going to be good players?


Posted by: driley | December 31, 2008 3:34 PM |
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And what is Mr. McMullen doing now?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Zesty:

- Wow Has Haynesworth lost it or what

- Guys it takes 3-4 years to judge a WR

- Position of need for Skins is WR

- The team isn't big enough for Portis and Zorn

- LaRon Landry, pro bowl safety

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry,

RE: Haynesworth. Agree completely. If we sign him he's gonna be the next Stubblefield. If we don't he's gonna go to the ProBowl for the next 5 years...it's just like that with us...

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Learned,

Please tell me how many "Paycuts" you see vs "Holdouts" each year? I know you were just making a generic statment, which I agree with, but in the NFL, fat chance. JT55 still has options. I could see someone paying him for a 1 yr deal for a little less b/c we paid him a signing bonus which he'd get all of, which would allow him to be a "lesser" cap hit b/c he could take less money. The only team that doesn't get that benefit, is the team that has the player under contract. I just don't see JT55 "ripping up" his current contract option. Less than 20% chance his in our uniform next year!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 31, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

contest statement:
Fassel to interview for Skins HC job

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Why must fans turn every ex-Redskin into a HOF player? The only player that I think was a mistake in letting go was Antonio Pierce.

Champ Bailey- still would have made the Portis deal

Ryan Clark- We're straight at safety

Walt Harris- had a good year last year.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Regular Season Stats -

Billy "The Kid" McMullen: 7 catches, 124 yards, 0 TDs.

Devin Thomas: 15 catches, 120 yards, 0 TDs (but 1 68-yard TD called back on a foolish unnecessary roughness penalty against Stephon Heyer).

Sorry, I don't see the argument that McMullen would have been a better fit.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I'll collect the statements over the next few days, post them and at this time next year, there will be a winner. Up to 5 statements per person.

Have at it:

My first statement:
Justin 'TD' Tryon makes 4 visits to the end zone on punt returns and picks
=======================================

Vinny Cerrato named GM-of-the-year.

Six-Flag stock rebounds to all-time-high.

Carlos Rogers stops a 'double-move' on play to win game.

LaVar Arrington re-ups with 'Skins, leads team in tackles, sacks, and defensive TDs.

Fed-Ex Field voted best-gameday-experience.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 31, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"Wait...so JLa and Vinny actually has a conversation about the Redskins that did not result in hair-pulling and name-calling???

I guess anything is possible for the New Year!"

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:02 PM

Actually, JLC asked Vinny this question at the presser and Vinny was forced to answer him since it was a press conference....it's not like they had a personal conversation.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

ryan clark was dumb too, b/c he was cheap...that move was dumb....but whateves...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Learned,

Please tell me how many "Paycuts" you see vs "Holdouts" each year? I know you were just making a generic statment, which I agree with, but in the NFL, fat chance. JT55 still has options. I could see someone paying him for a 1 yr deal for a little less b/c we paid him a signing bonus which he'd get all of, which would allow him to be a "lesser" cap hit b/c he could take less money. The only team that doesn't get that benefit, is the team that has the player under contract. I just don't see JT55 "ripping up" his current contract option. Less than 20% chance his in our uniform next year!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 31, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

After being unable to cut a deal with the Skins to come back for less than the $8 mill his contract says, JT55 signs a 1 year deal with the Patriots.

The allure of an actual shot at a ring with an actual football franchsie that actually knows what it is doing is enough to get JT to sign for much less.

He also relishes the opportunity to go back to Miami and stick it to Parcells one last time before taking up a job as the 4th guest judge on "Dancing with the Stars".

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I'll collect the statements over the next few days, post them and at this time next year, there will be a winner. Up to 5 statements per person.
---------------------------

I only have one statement:

Get a life, "hon."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Why must fans turn every ex-Redskin into a HOF player? The only player that I think was a mistake in letting go was Antonio Pierce.

Champ Bailey- still would have made the Portis deal

Ryan Clark- We're straight at safety

Walt Harris- had a good year last year.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 3:49 PM |

========================

I believe you're forgetting the almighty Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 31, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Clegg, we don't disagree. Re-read what I said. My point, which apparently wasn't clear, was that nobody's tearing up a contract to take less cash unless they don't have other options.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth=Dana Stubblefield,

Posted by: yodude1 | December 31, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The question on Haynesworth is twofold. I agree with the suspect motivation after the big contract. The second is the Stubblefat possibility. Stubblefat was not as good here because the Skins asked him to play differently than he had in S.F. In S.F. he played in a one gap system that required he just go upfield in the one gap. In D.C. they asked him to two-gap and he wasn't effective. As long as we use him the same way as in Tennessee, I think he could be effective.

Imagine the DL with Haynesworth, Suggs, and a rookie DE with Carter rotating.

I agree on not breaking the bank for another WR. I had not thought of the guy from Seatlle. Would be a good pickup for the right price.

Posted by: Snydersucks | December 31, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Lisa:

"Vinny is meeting with Post scribes now.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 31, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse"

Cindy can we get a clarification on the participants as the plural could mean Reid and that other dude and excluded JLC. But lets get the record straight either way.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I seemed to have remember mentioning Roddy White last week to a few bloggers to show how you can be called a bust year 1 and be an all pro a few years later....

I forgot who that was calling me crazy and all.......

Posted by: DaReal4th


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The difference is that Roddy White had 440+ receiving yards his first season. Our 3 COMBINED for about 1/4 of that production.

Vinny comparing Devin Thomas to Roddy White is just like him saying Phillip Merling has "7 tackles" his rookie year (when he actually had closer to 25 and a couple of sacks at the time he said it). Vinny has zero credibility when it comes to projections and comparisons.

Devin Thomas isn't a bust yet. But his lack of production and attitude entering the offseason isn't helping his cause.

Posted by: psps23 | December 31, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge you got it point on. They are too old on offense and have no threats. The fact that Santana Moss has what he does is amazing considering they have a bunch of number 3, 4, and 5 receivers. They don't have a 2. For all those Campbell bashers ask your self how bad he was when he was protected early in the season and Portis was rushing. When those two things broke down, I will admit he was average. But..... he didn't make major mistakes. Give him some playmakers and judge him then. Also, ask yourself how many passes Moss, Cooley, Portis, Betts and Randal El dropped at critical moments that would have extended drives. Not campbells fault!


SICWIDIT'S VOICE-O-REASON...

On a previous post, someone mentioned that, "this team is in the gutter".

I wouldn't go that far...The Lions and Raiders are in the gutter. We've got problems but not as extreme.

This team has an above average, but not elite defense. Despite the lack of a pass rush, turnovers, etc., with any piece of an offense and this team is a deep playoff contender.

The problem, in my opinion, is that this team is old on offense and has very little talent that scares opposing defenses. When healthy, you have to respect Moss, Portis and maybe Cooley, but Portis' best days are behind him. Joe Gibbs' mantra was to stick with the grizzled veteran (Brunell, Jansen, etc.) We made critical mistakes in free agency on offense from which we have yet to recover. After listening to Zorn on the radio yesterday, it sounds like the youngbucks will get a shot next season. If we can build depth on the O-line, I think we improve by two or three wins.

I don't hate Snyder. I don't hate Cerratto. The jury is still out on Ceratto. I think what has plagued this team is always thinking they are one player away

Posted by: FrustratedFan1 | December 31, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Vinny evaluates everybody...

...so who evaluates Vinny?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Is that like who watches the Watchmen?

Posted by: HenryHog | December 31, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth=Stubblefield

Posted by: yodude1 | December 31, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Wait...so JLa and Vinny actually has a conversation about the Redskins that did not result in hair-pulling and name-calling???

I guess anything is possible for the New Year!"

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 2:02 PM

Actually, JLC asked Vinny this question at the presser and Vinny was forced to answer him since it was a press conference....it's not like they had a personal conversation.


Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Right. It was ludicrous for me to believe that JLa could actually get one-on-one access with Vinny.

Oh well...maybe one day WaPo will have a beat reporter who hasn't done everything in his power to burn the bridge between himself and an executive for the team he covers.

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

contest statement:
Torrence pick ends Skins playoff hopes

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth=Dana Stubblefield,

Posted by: yodude1 | December 31, 2008 3:54 PM |
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You're spot-on.

I believe once Haynesworth gets PAID, there's no real incentive for him to "play his guts out," as an ex-Redskins coach was fond of saying.

Don't sign him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

its a New Year Miracle! MrSkins21 and me agree!

Yes NOOOO to Haynesworth.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Contest:

Headline: WaPo and Redskins Park on same page.

Dan Synder, listens to Jason LaConfora and fires Vinny Cerrato. JLC now THE blog writer for Redskins.com.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 31, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

classic Curz!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 31, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Why must fans turn every ex-Redskin into a HOF player?

Posted by: rickyroge


Ask Redskins fans what they think about Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuleta, TJ Duckett, or Laverneus Coles.

Posted by: psps23 | December 31, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Can I resubmit my 5 contest statements?

*****

1) RI Special guest blogger: Derrick Frost

2) RI Special gues blogger: Durant Brooks

3) RI Special guest blogger: Leigh Torrence

4) RI Special guest blogger: LaVar Arrington

5) RI Special guest blogger: Did I miss anyone else that JLa could dig up who may have sour grapes to squeeze with the Skins FO and feature them as a "guest blogger"?

Posted by: p1funk | December 31, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

*This has nothing whatsoever to do with the column but it must be mentioned ... the Detroit Lions, after winning precisely zero games this year, responded to this bitter humiliation by looking hard in the mirror and then promoting Martin Mayhew to be the new general manager. Martin Mayhew, you might know, was the right hand man of former Lions GM Matt Millen for the last FIVE SEASONS. I mean, no offense to Mayhew, who I'm sure is a fine football man, but isn't this more or less like promoting Gilligan to rebuild the S.S. Minnow? If you know any Lions fans, be kind, send them a card, let them know you're thinking about them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Campbell supporter or basher, but the bashing is really not fair. For the person who wrote he pats the ball 3 times before throwing, I hope you go to games to witness this live. I don't think he is the answer to all of our problems but isn't the problem either. He has zero time to throw and when he does, there is no one open. I've witnessed it live thousands of time. Our receivers do not get seperation. Don't know whether it is them or the play calling, but when is the last time you saw a redskins players completely wide open when catching the ball. I watch a ton of football and see it all the time. Just not on the Skins.

He does need to improve without a doubt and needs to run more as evident by the San Fran Game. Give the guy a chance, he is constantly thrown into new systems and has ZERO weapons. I ask you does Thrash or Randel El care anyone? They are 3 or 4's at best. If I was a coordinator I would double Moss all day long! It is amazing to me he has the numbers he does.

Posted by: FrustratedFan1 | December 31, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised no one has suggested getting rid of ARE.

The guy does nothing for the team that stands out.

His punt returns are a joke. Zorn has become so conservative that he doesn't use ARE as a passer on trick plays, and as for his skill as a WR, I'd rather take my chances on Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly (bad knees and all) as the #2 WR next year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

resubmit away

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised no one has suggested getting rid of ARE.

Does this really need to be said?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

ARE is a good #3 WR, playing the #2 WR role. He also is a threat on reverses to throw, something that did work a couple times. I agree on pulling him off the punt return. should have been done long ago.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I have such little confidence in Zorn being able to make prgress that I think a likely headline - in late November or early December - will be:

Zorn Taps Brennan To Start Against Dallas.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"I'm surprised no one has suggested getting rid of ARE."

He costs more to get rid of than to keep on the roster. And given the complete lack of any other proven WRs, he's necessary for depth at least.

Posted by: psps23 | December 31, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Vinny went after ARE because he was so pissed he was forced to pass on him during the draft. He finally got a chance to get him and he overpaid dearly. Now our scheme sucks and he will never be the player he was under Pitts. But also because they have a tremendous O line and always have which allows him to be creative. He never was a big pass catcher there either.

Posted by: FrustratedFan1 | December 31, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerratto and I met at Redskins' Park and we have evalauted our Offensive roster as follows:

QB Jason Campbell (B-) Good strides this year, but let's wait to see how he progresses next year before giving him a long term deal. Why make a decision when we don't have to

RB Clinton Portis (A-) We'll look at a RB late in the draft though.

LT Chris Samuels (B) We may move him to RT

LG Pete Kendall (C-) He's done!

C Casey Rabach (B-) 2 years left, but we'll look at some Centers in the late rounds of the draft this year or next.

RG Randy Thomas (C) He's done!

RT John Jansen (D) He's done!

WR Santana Moss (B+) When healthy, he's still a viable threat.

WR Antwaan Randle-El (C) Not a viable #2, Would be a 3rd or 4th receiver on any other team

WR James Thrash (D) He's done!

TE Chris Cooley (B) Must work on fumbles

Other notables:
LaDell Betts (C+)
Devin Thomas (I)
Malcom Kelly (I)
Fred Davis (I)
Stephon Heyer (C)


Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the whole situation at cornerback, Hall and Rogers both seem like great players, but any thoughts as to whether Hall's attitude & playing might change once he's guaranteed so much money?

Posted by: Josh7 | December 31, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Really?

....REALLY?!?

I dunno. I can see a whitewash underway. You take a minimally successful product and break it in the second half of the season. Do NOTHING to address the problem and blame it all on a new scheme & "football hard game, tough learn" philosophy.

Well... guess what. The Dolphins are kicking arsche.

Next excuse please.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 31, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Josh,

I'd be willing to take that chance at a reasonable cost. I want football players not boy scouts, although Portis is wearing thin on me

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge hits the nail on the head:
pretty much the entire draft class gets an incomplete.

How the Skins kept 10 draft picks, then refused to play most of them beyond token appearances is totally nuts. Heck, the OL was our biggest problem and our top OL pick never played a down.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

El's base salary jumps to $4M next year - OUCH. To get rid of him would be like a $9M cap hit.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

To me the single disppointing part of this season was Zorn's stubborness to play the rookies. To me, this is what separates us from the Dolphins, Falcons, Ravens (and better talent on offense). These teams integrate young and old well. We always think we're "due for a breakout game on offense", "close", "prepared for a deep playoof run".

PLAY THE FUGGIN' YOUNG PLAYERS!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Contest statement:
Cerrato, asked at a press conference about his 4 rookie picks, all of whom spent the entire season on the practice squad, said "We liked what we saw of them in preseason and expect them to contribute in 2010"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I could not understand why Zorn would not even try the Wildcat....many other teams gave it a shot. And he was adamant that Randle El would be the punt returner (although he allowed Santana an occasional return) because El was good at "securing the ball."

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Lisa_R,

I think he did not try the wildcat because of the practice time required. To implement the new plays would have taken up valuable time when they still aren't running the base offense well. So you would have had less work in the base offense, and the wildcat not working either.

Posted by: Snydersucks | December 31, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Contest statement:
TO's TD lifts Skins past dallas

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

A Block of Brie Cheese would have given a more insightful press conference than Vinny did today.

Why call a presser if the sum of your thoughts are "I don't know/We will see".

As long as this guy is driving the boat, we ain't getting to the point of title contention.

Posted by: keino83 | December 31, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

ESPN Chris Mortenson is reporting that Wade Phillips is out in Dallas

Reportedly, Jerry Jones is in talks with former Houston Oilers coach Bum Phillips for the position. Phillips reportedly wants full say over personnel matters and wants to know if his depends have to be league issued

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

that a contest statement ricky?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

canbell does indeed pat the ball before throwing. If you review oalt of the games you will notice that the more he pats or looks jerky and undconfortable in the pockett, a incomplition always happens. I am nit ready to give up on him yet but if he does not improve next year, I say he needs to be in a serious compitition for the starting job. Also, why did gibbs have to leave last year, lots of good coaches available this year and we would not have to watch zorns growing pains. I am a fan of shanohann and cower, both love using the run game and that would fit here. But the FO has to give zorn at least 1 or 2 more years to prove himself, but if his playcalling stays the same next year, he will be fired.

Posted by: Brutus2 | December 31, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I like this piece from an old article:

In public gatherings, the coach and the owner usually introduce Vinny Cerrato the same way. Joe Gibbs and Daniel Snyder point to Cerrato, the team's vice president of football operations, and say, "He's responsible for the losses."

The room always breaks up laughing, whether it's at the owners' meetings in Hawaii or among smaller groups. "Yep, 'He's responsible for the losses.' They both say it all the time now," Cerrato said, half-smiling, chuckling to himself.

Posted by: Tyler84101 | December 31, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

got it

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

can i end 2008 with an olive branch kinda way...i think vinny is utterly incompetent at his job as the gm and has been for 10 or so years for us.

and i don't forsee it changing. but in no way he's as bad as danny and larry michael as a person. those two are slime balls. seriously the thought of them makes me violent.

and the fact that vinny can get fired today and land with espn says a lot about his character. he has friends. no one up here or out there, not even jasno has ever reported anything negative about vinny's character. and i wish him well...with espn or on nfl network.

that's all i got. have a happy new year's!!! peace and love!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 31, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

First time posting here, but as a fan that goes way back to when I was a kid getting autographs from Roy Jefferson, Danny Buggs and Eddie Brown, it pains me to have to sit through Vinny Cerrato learning how to be a GM.

Posted by: LouLewis | December 31, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I wish Vinny would just leave.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 31, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

In public gatherings, the coach and the owner usually introduce Vinny Cerrato the same way. Joe Gibbs and Daniel Snyder point to Cerrato, the team's vice president of football operations, and say, "He's responsible for the losses."

The room always breaks up laughing, whether it's at the owners' meetings in Hawaii or among smaller groups. "Yep, 'He's responsible for the losses.' They both say it all the time now," Cerrato said, half-smiling, chuckling to himself.

Posted by: Tyler84101

Perhaps Vinny takes that too literally. Someone has to disabuse Vinny of the notion that the way to grow his responsibility is to lose more.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Wait, what was I gonna say?

Oh yeah

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/firecerrato

Posted by: columbiard | December 31, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Guys! Don't fire Vinny! He's got binders and calendars that prove he's working!


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081002181.html

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 31, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

++REMEMBER ALL OF THE EXPERTS Ragging on the Texans for taking Mario Williams over BUSH and Houston's favorite Son VY!!!! Now who's the smart franchise??? Drafts need 3 solid years before a proper evaluation.

CLEGG+++

If Cerrato’s ready to wait three years, why in God’s name did he waste a pick on Jason Taylor, who will be gone next year, tops. Vinny has never had a plan he can stick to, or worth sticking to.

This team is like the USA’s infrastructure, aging and falling apart. Both lines need several bodies, two LB’s may be gone because of injuries, Portis is nearing the end of usefulness, nobody can kick or return punts. So now Vinny is dismantling the only strong unit the team has—the DBs? And he has four picks this year.

A half dozen 2008-drafted receivers didn’t require three years to arrive. The Redskins have tons of needs. Hats’ most worrisome remains the guy trying to fill them.

Posted by: TheCork | December 31, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"I can't stand here and say that we did enough, because we're not still playing and we were 8-8."--V. CERRATO

Does Cerrato ride bikes with “W” too? Don’t any of these guys take responsibility for the disasters they caused?

Heck of a job, Vinny.

Posted by: TheCork | December 31, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

++++SICWIDIT'S VOICE-O-REASON...

On a previous post, someone mentioned that, "this team is in the gutter".
I wouldn't go that far...The Lions and Raiders are in the gutter. We've got problems but not as extreme.+++

This team may not be literally IN the gutter, but they can see it from there.

Saying the Redskins problems are not as extreme as the Lions and Raiders is a little like saying they’re lucky to be Chrysler, and not as bad off as GM or Ford.

Posted by: TheCork | December 31, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Predictions for the 09 season that I hope will not come true, but think they will.

1. Jason Campbell looses his starting job sometime after week 10. Brennan proves to be much better, leaving campbell to take a pay cut and 2nd string or be released.

2. skins go 7-9

3. Zorn is fired.

4. Portis is released after averaging 3.9 yds a carry next season. Openly thrashes zorn and the skins FO in the media.

5. offense improves but d-fense gets worse.

6.still no pass rush whatsoever.

7.Samuels, kelly, jansen, moss, springs,horton, have lingering injuries all year.

8.Ladell Betts will play a much larger role and be named the starter for 2010.

9. Kelly will be the number 2 reciever by the end of the year, becoming a better reciever than thomas.

10.Once again skins go after a big name coach.

Posted by: Brutus2 | December 31, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah
11. fletcher makes his 1st pro bowl along with D-hall and cooley.

Posted by: Brutus2 | December 31, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Brutal list.

Did anyone see the vikings game on Sunday? Watching them, I understood what it must be like to watch the Redskins as a neutral observer. They were pathetic (yes, they won). I am referring to clock management at the end. Awful. I can't believe they made the playoffs and the Patriots did not. No justice.

I hate to see mediocrity make it into the playoffs. I hope Indy beats the Chargers. Likewise, the Falcons over ... Arizona? I heard that in both Minn and Az there are thousands of unsold tickets.

Posted by: columbiard | December 31, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The Vikings are mediocre, but so are the Eagles, who lost to the Redskins (twice), the Bears, and tied the Bengals.

I'm pulling for Minnesota in that game.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Brutus,

Colt Brennen = Danny Wuerfel

Let's wait until he does something more than play against fourth stringers in a preseason game before saying he is better than Campbell. Campbell isn't Dan Marino, but he isn't Patrick Ramsey either.

Posted by: Snydersucks | December 31, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

who gives a s**t what Vinny says

Posted by: b_hubacher | December 31, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Fellow Redskins Football Geniouses,
I need your help! My friends and family think I have lost my mind (and I may have).

Can anyone please confirm the following and if you can provide the specific team all the better:

Did there not used to be a dog that was associated with some football team that ran out onto the field after kick-offs and snagged the tee to bring back to the sidelines? I swear I thought it was the Saints! Whatever happened to that dog?

Maybe I was just that drunk!

Thanks!
HTTR!!!

Posted by: Soup17 | December 31, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"Predictions for the 09 season that I hope will not come true, but think they will.

1. Jason Campbell looses his starting job sometime after week 10. Brennan proves to be much better, leaving campbell to take a pay cut and 2nd string or be released."

1. Jason Campbell and Todd Collins get injured because Vinnie failed to use the depth of OL in this draft to improve the line. Colt Brennan comes in and proves he is a sub-par 3rd stringer. He throws 3 interceptions, 2 for TDs.

Posted by: periculum | December 31, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

And you wonder why Cerrato still has a job? :)
And you idiots claim Joe Gibbs had complete control, all the say? Sheesh can we spell
n-a-i-v-e ...

Here in a nutshell, the reason why Gibbs 2.0 was
"average" instead of stellar.


"But Cerrato was almost as torn up as Snyder when the owner's father, Gerald, died in 2003.

'It was very emotional," Cerrato said. 'I got along great with his dad. It was a tough deal. He was at practice all the time. Losin' your dad. I mean, that was his best friend.' Snyder's parents were so fond of Cerrato they actually attended his wedding soon after Schottenheimer fired him. He has a picture of Snyder's parents on his desk in a gold-plated frame."

Posted by: periculum | December 31, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

are those contest entries, Peri?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it was the Saints that had the dog fetch the tee after kickoffs.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/06/22/saints_teedog_ap/

Also, the Houston Oilers had a fat guy named "Mojo" who used to do the same thing. Only when he got to the sideline, he'd roll out of bounds with the tee.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse


Rule 1 on good ownership.

Owners should not have offices at Redskins Park. Their office should be somewhere else like Middleburg, VA. Gibbs, Beathard, Casserly were called on the carpet there enough times.

Blatant cronyism and nepotism just has no place in football. Sheesh that's why Marty was fired both in Washington and San Diego. I'm surprised he an Vinnie couldn't get along?


"are those contest entries, Peri?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008"

Posted by: periculum | December 31, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Hope he wasn't a Katrina victim.

"Yeah, it was the Saints that had the dog fetch the tee after kickoffs.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/06/22/saints_teedog_ap/"

Posted by: periculum | December 31, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Real Contest Statement:

Snidely Owl in a "come from behind" victory over the Vinnster in Raquet Ball.

Vinnie: "I am squealing like a hogette!!! Cant you tell?"

Posted by: periculum | December 31, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing we won't see that reported on, but its entered ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

What will the Redskins do this off-season?

The defense has/will have major needs.

First and foremost, it needs to be able to stop the run, especially next year. NYG, Atlanta, and Carolina were 1, 2, and 3 in rushing in 2008. Then there is Darren McFadden, LaDanian Tomlison, Marion Barber and Larry Johnson on the schedule as well. More than half their schedule will have run first teams.

Just because the Redskins stopped the run up until the bye this year in no way guarantees that they will be able to stop it next year.

The strength of the defense - the secondary - looks to have major changes next year. There is no pass rush from the front seven and the outside linebackers have no depth.

So, do you take the 4th ranked defense and get rid of its most consistent corner (Rogers), most injured corner (Springs), most injured linebacker (Washington), best DT (Griffin) and DE (Taylor) for $20million in cap space and a pick or two.

Or do you cross your fingers and hold the defense together with duct tape and think that your one player away from fixing the needs (Albert Haynesworth).

How Greg Blache got this unit to preform like it did was remarkable but the window is closing fast. I'd be surprised if they're in the top 10 next year.

The offense needs line help for sure and then guys 'getting better.'

There are too many holes and potential holes to fix adequately in one off-season but with luck this team can turn it around.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 1, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I think the quick turnarounds in Miami, Atlanta, Balt. may lead to more of the same old, same old big splash attempts but I hope not. We are not just a piece or two away from a title. We need to spend our money and efforts going after young, lean, & hungry; not old, fat & satisfied!

Posted by: will_ga | January 1, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Contest entry...

Snyder, Fenty announce plans to build new Redskins stadium in District, to open in 2014.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

John Feinstein hit the nail on all of our heads here!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122900984_3.html?sub=AR

HAPPY NEW YEAR R.I. NATION!!! GO HOKIES!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 1, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"But Cerrato was almost as torn up as Snyder when the owner's father, Gerald, died in 2003.

'It was very emotional," Cerrato said. 'I got along great with his dad. It was a tough deal. He was at practice all the time. Losin' your dad. I mean, that was his best friend.' Snyder's parents were so fond of Cerrato they actually attended his wedding soon after Schottenheimer fired him. He has a picture of Snyder's parents on his desk in a gold-plated frame."

--------------------------

This made me vomit. Could be hangover but I am doubting it. We are stuck with this dbag for life because of a personal relationship not merit.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | January 1, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I was reading through some of the posts yesterday regarding the discussion about the merits or lack of merit for trading Carlos Rogers this offseason. I’d like to put my two cents in. The one team I think a trade might make sense for the Skins and merit some consideration would be the Lions. Two scenarios for a possible trade come to mind. Using the trade chart provided by TE early yesterday.

First option:

The Skins and Lions flip flop 1st round picks. For the Skins it’s the 13th pick. The Lions would give up the 20th pick (from Dallas). The point value difference is 300 which is equivalent to a low second round pick (60th). The Lions have the 33rd pick of the draft. The difference between the 33rd pick and the 60th pick is 280 points. If the Skins trade Carlos straight up for the 33rd pick it would be essentially getting a low second round pick for him (63rd pick or 280 points). The Lions might go for this because they would not have to commit to contracts for three of the top thirty-three draft picks. Carlos would want a new contract but the overall signing bonus for two draft picks and Carlos might be less than that of their three draft picks in the first two rounds. The Skins would get a 2nd round value for Rogers and pick up another pick.

Second option:

Similar to the first option in that the two teams would flip flop the 13th and 20th pick. Again the point difference is 300. If the Lions want to keep their 2nd round pick, the Skins could for say the Lions first pick in the 3rd (265 points), and their first pick in the 5th (47 points). The Skins would benefit +8 points if this would happen. The Skins could then ask for the Lions’ 2nd pick in the 3rd round the 82nd (180 points). The total points in the Rogers trade would be 188 which on the chart is the 80th pick in the draft, or a mid 3rd round value. The Lions benefit again because they would have to commit less to draftees. The Skins benefit with multiple picks, even if they only get less current value for Carlos.

Although I’m not big on the idea of trading Carlos at this time, I can see the reasoning for wanting to get something in return for the time and money invested in Rogers, particularly if it warrants a day 1 or high day 2 pick.

Posted by: TWISI | January 1, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/31/redskins-cerrato-not-mr-popularity/

Happy New Year RI, Not much in this story we did not already know but the first two paragraphs are great.

"A good way to get a Washington Redskins player to clam up is to ask about Vinny Cerrato.

Fullback Mike Sellers put his hands up and kept walking. Tackle Chris Samuels, who has been with the team for nine seasons, politely shook his hand and said he didn't have much to say. Several other veterans had similar reactions when asked about the person atop the Redskins' front office."

Posted by: alex35332 | January 1, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

+++"People didn't like me when I was at Notre Dame, either, and that was all the people you played against," Cerrato said. "When I was in San Francisco, they didn't like me because I was too young being the personnel director of a Super Bowl team. It's been my whole career."

Adding, "I am not a crook." (okay, I made that part up)+++--AP Article about VC.

Honest to God, if this guy were any more Nixonian, Oliver Stone would make a mopvie about him

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

That piece is garbage.

I want Vinny gone for the reasons that matter: His record in evaluating talent is sub-par, and that's being kind. The guy is clueless re his job, imho.

But for all any of us know, he's a decent person.

Brendan Noble? Are you ******* kidding me???? I choked on my bagel when I read THAT name. As if I'd trust him on any topic outside of how to properly trim a beard. He stunk as much as Vinny.

It's too bad people can't write good pieces criticizing the man's football track record without suggesting he's somehow personally unlikable (and offering no evidence of it).

The former provides plenty of material, and the latter is just TMZ sh*t. Like the brainiacs on this board who call him "bug eyes" and other sophomoric names.

I await the next installment, where someone claims Vinny beats his Ecuadorian maid and chews out the Columbian gardener on a regular basis.

As Babu says on Seinfeld, "You're a baaaad man. You're a verrrrrry bad man."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 1, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

When I read that last paragraph I almost felt sorry for him. Then I remembered he's destroying our football team and that feeling went away.
Here's to a better 2009. Happy New Year RI.

Posted by: mack1 | January 1, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

beep beep
happy new year!

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 1, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

the redskins should trade for matt cassel

Posted by: kcbc | January 1, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

No need for extensive analysis in the off-season: all the moves are obvious. The team has limited capability to change the roster and is hamstrung by the salary cap. All that's been written so far tells the whole story - a few changes but the "core" remains the same, so expect more of the same. Next season, another run at somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7. Nothing more complicated than that.

Posted by: i155133 | January 1, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I hope Mr. Snyder gets a chance to read these entries and realizes that he has a fan base that remains dedicated but disillusioned and disappointed at leadership.

Mr. Snyder has the advantage of a rabid fan base that will never leave this team -no matter how poorly it is run. This allows leadership to continue to make monstrous mistakes, to be blind to the damage that is being done and to suffer no consequences for their actions.

Mr. Snyder -- hire a real football man to run the operations (splitting the business side is fine). Let him put in place his strategy for how it will be run and where we will focus, let him put in place a top knotch scouting group and a hungry coaching team that understands today's players and is focused on execution. Be clear on what you need to consult with him on and then get out of his way. Hold the real football man accountable for a certain number of wins every year, the building of the Redskins culture in the organization and influence within the NFL heirarchy. If he doesn't perform on your timetable - replace him.

This is a classic way to run a NFL franchise (or a business). There are so many successful models out there to follow. The failures of places like Detroit and Denver had more to do with not holding people accountable on a realistic timeline than the wrong models in play. Mr. Snyder knows it (he has certainly deployed this model before with other business ventures) but for some reason chooses to ignore good common sense with our Redskins (this is what the Jasons should be writing about - why do we operate in such an unconventional manner - rather than scouting positions when neither of them played or worked in the game).

These are sad days in Redskins Nation. No...we are not happy with a mediocre team year in and year out that will be somewhere between 7 and 9 wins depending on the breaks just because Mr. Snyder does invest in the team each spring. No...we are not happy that good football men steer clear of our team because of the way it is run while past their prime players flock here for the cash. With this leadership -- 10 years running now -- we know that there are no Superbowl plans in the near future.

I was once the biggest supporter of Mr. Snyder. I thought because he was a fan he would always do what he thought was best and right for the team. Well I got half of it right. I am trying hard to still defend this man while at the same time resisting the temptation to call for our owner's ouster. But I fear this is the only real fix that we have. Which means we are lost...

Hey this blogging thing is a bit therapeutic though.

Posted by: lxn1493 | January 2, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Fire Vinny.

Posted by: AWWNats | January 5, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Note to Dan: Fire Vinny and replace him with some like Bobby Bethard or Bill Parcels and I might consider coming back.

Otherwise - I'm pulling for every team that plays the Skins until you get rid of Vinny or sell the team.

The only difference between you and Al Davis and Jerry Jones is that they think they still know football. None of you do.

BTW - You can count on my family to never buy another Redskins Product until you do.

Former Skins Fan
1966-2008

Posted by: chargersix | January 6, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

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