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Virginia Beach

Most of you guys have probably heard the talk and read the reports from a while back about the Skins moving their training camp to Virginia Beach possibly as soon as the summer of 2009. There have been discussions between the team and civic leaders down there about making this work and the Skins are always looking to build and expand their brand, emphasizing the May "Beach Blitz" event in Virginia Beach. (Personally, I'd love to see it moved down there and have the wife and kids stay with me down there for a few weeks. I've wondered for years - since way before I started covering this team - why they didn't head down that way for camp).

Both sides want the deal to be economically feasible and have been in contact to that end. Spoke to some football people in the organization about the project recently to get their takes on the potential pros and cons. A big concern for now is the infrastructure at the sports complex down there. The fields are immaculate I am told, but the facilities are largely lacking, with size and amenities an issue (training rooms are not up to par; limited space for meeting rooms and film rooms.). People I spoke to recently believe from a football standpoint such a move would be at least two years away given all the work that would have to be done to get the sports complex equipped to handle 90 NFL players, all the coaches and trainers and other staff.

Some on the coaching staff would also worry about the issue of players racing up the highway to get back and forth from Virginia Beach on off days around home playoff games - then veterans racing against the clock to report back down to the training complex at the beach - and logistics about when to break camp, etc., would be imperative. The location is certainly appealing, but if the thing is going to be done right then a lot of work would need to be done ... and the issue of which entity funds that endeavor could end up looming large.

At the end of the day, however, the dollar may be king, and if the Skins get a fat financial deal from the good folks down there to move there in 2009, then it might just prove too good for Dan Snyder to pass up. If the Skins are to move there for camp a year from now people on the football side of the building hope that all of the necessary upgrades are made, and wonder if a year is sufficient time to do so.

Randoms: Speaking of fields, the Redskins are re-sodding the middle of their practice fields at Redskins Park ... again. They took a beating with all the weather lately and the pounding from mini camp. Some within the building believe that if they do build a practice bubble onto the side of the facility that the completion of such a project would be at least a year away, too ... Rookie tight end Fred Davis took a large degree of criticism for missing a mini camp practice a few weeks back, and rightfully so, but I have yet to talk to a player or coach who was not highly impressed by his performance during the two days of practice he did participate in ... Second-year safety LaRon Landry has not been around the facility much this off season, drew plenty of attention for his post-practice race with Clinton Portis a few weeks back and ended up skipping the Beach Blitz event after telling people within the organization that he would attend. Landry attained a fair degree of fame in his rookie season and while no one is freaking out about any of this, there are some within the building keeping their fingers crossed he maintains the same attitude he exhibited as a rookie ...

Gonna try to meet up with some of the blog faithful at Summers tonight for the replay of the Champions League, but given the kids being sick and all that has transpired in my family in recent weeks I'll be a game-time decision. Will be coming from Bethesda after doing Washington Post Live on Comcast - so please, my Comcast peeps, let's ban all talk of the Chelsea/Man U match in the green room and on the set, cool? Retaining suspense about tape delayed matches is pretty much impossible these days, but thankfully most of my close friends will be waiting for a replay as well, so I'm thinking no one will spoil it for me on my cell ... Last but not least, even if you hate my Sox you have to show Jon Lester the luv after his no hitter (caught most of it on NESN; was sitting right behind home plate with my wife-to-be at the time when Nomo threw his NoNo back at Camden Yards back in 2001). Amazing story. All of us have been struck by cancer in out families to one degree or another, and what this kid has overcome and accomplished is pretty awesome.

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 21, 2008; 12:30 PM ET
 
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i'm never first

Posted by: dan | May 21, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

in da club

Posted by: mul | May 21, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

F work. I'd rather learn!

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Spaghetti Gang making moves? Virginia Beach? Priority one has got to be whether it makes sense for the players. Will it help them develop better?

My guess ... no.

They still need to maintain facilities in DC area during the year. So its an extra cost from that perspective. Does it help players to be somewhere else during preseason -- away from their day to day lives? Maybe. Some people respond well to that. Others, not as much.

Will it increase interest in the Skins in Va Beach? Yes ... and that is the reason. More fans, more money for the owner. And oh yes ... isn't there a Six Flags down that way? I mean, can't you see the cross promotion stuff?

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Laron Landry is a tough guy like me.

Posted by: Prison Balls | May 21, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a few of the "regs" can open it up, so it will involve EVERYONE!

And you guys wonder why people say that this blog has a "members only" vibe.

Posted by: Red(don't care) | May 21, 2008 12:32 PM

What did they do - freeze your keyboard so you couldn't type and send? Break your fingers? Threaten your friends and family?

The rules (?) around here are the same for everyone: type your comments in the box and hit return; maybe someone comments back, maybe not. If so - great! If not - get over it. Plenty of "regulars" make comments that don't get responses also. But I am willing to bet that if you say something that others consider interesting, you will get a response. Just don't take it personally, either way.

Posted by: A long-time "regular" | May 21, 2008 1:02 PM

Posted by: Ditto | May 21, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Is this chRIs larRy's donkey...you know, the one that anon keeps accusing him of, um, 'riding'?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080520/ap_on_fe_st/odd_mexico_jailed_burro

- .250

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Wednesday is the new Friday for holiday weekend take-offs? F'ing ridiculous.

Posted by: Taxpayers' Anonymous | May 21, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | May 21, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I figured out how to overcome the Fred Davis alarm clock problem.

Fred moves to Tokyo. If he wakes up on time, he flies east, over Europe to get to practice. But, if he wakes up late, he flies west and crosses the international date line, so he'll still be on time

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

At Summer's, make sure you don't look at any other tv showing the ESPN ticker. After waiting all day, I sat down to watch Arsenal in the final a couple years ago only to glance at another tv and see that they lost. Not happy!

Posted by: SpikeFC | May 21, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis: Time Shifter

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Moral of the story: don't bite anyone in Mexico.

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Interesting thing about Fred Davis and his sense of time: why did it take 2+ weeks to issue an apology? Wouldn't most people do it within a day or two of the original offense?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

anyone else here going to see Indiana Jones and the Kingom of the Crystal Skull tonight? I'm seeing it at midnight and i'm stoked!

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 21, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I never take anything personal or serious.

If you guys want to discuss soccer and star wars, then please do so. But Others who can't relate to the conversation will make an attempt to do so first. Sometimes it seems they're trolling but they're trying to fir in some how.

Posted by: Red(Chill) | May 21, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Man I've heard that VA Beach rumor before, but it just seems crazy to me. I've had to do coaching courses down there the past few years in June and July for soccer (the other football). Do you have any idea how freaking hot it is in VA Beach in July?

Its freaking hot.

I know Ashburn isn't a cool breeze either that time of year, but seriously. Its HOT!

Posted by: jva | May 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

So bring up something else to talk about. Don't just stand in ther corner all by your lonesome and whine about it. Crybaby.


Posted by: | May 21, 2008 12:55 PM

Why don't you grow some nuts? You're a reg, right? Or a wanna be?

Posted by: Red(anon) | May 21, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I live in Ashburn Virginia.

The Skins KILL in training camp attendance.

NOVA/DC/Maryland Skins fans are RABID and show up in hordes.

Why change that? It is one of the cooler aspects of training camp to see thousands of people show so much love for da Skins.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I'll say one thing... Interstate 64 was not friendly to Allen Iverson or Marcus Vick.

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

they love the Skins in VA beach too.

Posted by: Red(Near the beach) | May 21, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If I'm going to put the Skins training camp someplace new ... its not going to be to a party town!!

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Let me sum up my case: Pro athlethes, scantily clad women nearby, crazy college kids looking for a good time. Refreshments for all! Great for me, bad for Skins. I smell trouble!

Posted by: Prodigal Son | May 21, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

My folks live in the 757 and I have to say that Redskins fanitude would be there for the move. Immediate results may not come (a lot of beltwayers have made training camp apart of their lives), but I think it will grow on the place. 757ers love sports. They're just living in a place that has identity issues that confuse the nation.

Tidewater
Hampton Roads
Norfolk
Virginia Beach
Chesapeake Bay Area

The cities need to pull together to get some national media advertising going. Agree on a name to call it and let the whole country know where you are. I bet the majority of people could get close to pointing out New York, Boston, DC, LA, Chicago, Miami, San Fransisco on a map. Where is Hampton Roads?

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

===Where is Hampton Roads?===

Near Tidewater.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

jva and prodigal son, ditto here. Maybe Va Beach is a good place to raise more summer revenue, but nothing about it makes sense as a place for an NFL looking to prepare for an upcoming season ... boiling heat, beachgoing distraction, and I-95 btwn here and there. I say go back to Frostburg or some such in the mountains ... away from the heat, isolated from the distractions, and nothing but two lane byway btwn here and there. But then again, I'd rather having a winning season than increase my revenues by tapping into the summer vacationers' wallets.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Prodigal -- I kinda recall putting Mike Tyson at a beauty pageant ... that didn't work out either.

On the upside, I'm guessing Fred Davis will be up in time to judge the wet t-shirt contests

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

--Where is Hampton Roads?--

Or maybe near Virginia Beach.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Let me re-state my case more succintly:

Scantily clad women...pro athlethes...I smell (fill in the blank)

Posted by: Prodigal Son | May 21, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Yep, ole Freddy will be the Matt Lienart of the East Coast.

Posted by: Prodigal Son | May 21, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Let me re-state my case more succintly:

Scantily clad women...pro athlethes...I smell (fill in the blank)

Posted by: Prodigal Son | May 21, 2008 2:06 PM

... don't forget the alcohol ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Virginia Beach would be such a good idea. Personally, the team should probably pick a venue very similar to Carlisle (if not Carlisle, itself). If you think there were readily-available distractions for the players in the DC area (Ashburn), just wait until they're partying it up in Virginia Beach and Norfolk.

If someplace in Virginia is to be the new site for training camp, I'd vote for someplace in the southwestern part of the state (Roanoke, for instance).

Another possible option would be Williamsburg. There are tons of athletic facilities in the Williamsburg/James City County/York County area, and its far enough away from Virginia Beach to kill some of the distractions.

Posted by: Gus | May 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they could try the Jamestown thing... just rename the whole place Jamestown. Doesn't every American have to learn about Jamestown or was that just us poor sorry Virginians that had to suffer through that depressing, overglorified history lesson.

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

by Great One

Posted by: g | May 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I have seen Indiana Jones already. you will love it especially at the end when


Just kidding, thought I was going to ruin it for you

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

If the NFL were to have a Minor League I would want the skins team in VA Beach. Training camp there would make sense in that case. in the present context though it does not.

I love the idea of building a Domed practice field in Assburn.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

All I've got to say is, I've been to Virginia Beach. Even Saint Joe could be led astray! May God bless his retired soul.

Posted by: Prodigal Son | May 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

G, What are talking about, and dont take my name

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

X.Hog is a bouncer in Va Beach. He could just not let our beloved athletes into the establishment.

Let's be solution oriented guys. Too many Debbie Downers up here.

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I was wanting to move back to the Rt 13 Peninsula anyway. Just one more reason and I'm there! I have two years to save and plan...sounds good to me.

Posted by: OhioTransplant | May 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

After reading the very good points on the VA Beach Party Problem, I am now against putting a practice facility there. If anything they should run a practice on the National Mall. between the Capitol and the Washington Monument.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Heard on the radio that Jessica Simpson was upset about some other chick being with John Mayer while she was dating Fumble-Fingers Romo. Apparently Mayer was packing something serious.

What does that say about Romo?


He's...sniff...my...sniff...quarterback!

Posted by: Hizzle | May 21, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

G, What are talking about, and dont take my name

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:16 PM


See what I'm sayin?

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

Posted by: g | May 21, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"... Another possible option would be Williamsburg. There are tons of athletic facilities in the Williamsburg/James City County/York County area, and its far enough away from Virginia Beach to kill some of the distractions."

Posted by: Gus | May 21, 2008 2:10 PM

All those colonial costumes, town criers, butter churners, barrel makers, such as ... how would that not be a distraction?

... although the image of Fred Smoot grabbing the bell from a town crier and trying to out-towncry the guy does have some appeal.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I dont think they should move to VA Beach. They should move training camp and other facilities to DC. They have been trying to figure out what to do whit RFK. turn it and surrounding space into Training camp and even a practice facility. I guranatee that would be exciting for fans

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The Budwiser Factory is in Willamsburg too

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Last I read, John Mayer is getting him some Jennifer Aniston. Is he the guy who wants to run through the halls of his high school? Seems like his type (the Dave Matthews-type) gets all the hotties. Seems like the hotties just don't dig speed metal.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

nuff said!

Posted by: Go Away Great One | May 21, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Heard on the radio that Jessica Simpson was upset about some other chick being with John Mayer while she was dating Fumble-Fingers Romo. Apparently Mayer was packing something serious.

What does that say about Romo?"

my friend told me that the only reason women get mad at men after they split is becuase you were "doing something right". or else, why would she care? women rule the world just because of their "little boxes".

Posted by: fabio | May 21, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The town crier argument sounds pretty appealing for Williamsburg. I would pay admission to the camp just to see that. How about back to Carlisle? I still remember my first camp I went to in Carlisle, great little community and not that many distractions.

Posted by: OhioTransplant | May 21, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I have this vision of the Spaghetti Gang trying to recruit PacMan Jones by bringing him to their training camp in Va Beach ... and giving him some time to check out the area ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Impressive

didnt know you could be a hater and a loser at the same time

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Next time you go to a concert venue, ask the ushers about what the women are like at a Dave Matthews concert. I swear, its worth going even if you don't know anything about the guy.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

VA Beach is a horrible idea on like 25 levels! The heat/humidity being #1.

I am starting a fundraiser to get bail money for my donkey in the Mexecali houscow...detials forthcoming...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 21, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Isn't pacman under contract with the Cowboys? How does that make sense?

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Impressive

didnt know you could be a hater and a loser at the same time

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:28 PM

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: Go Away Great One | May 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Greg -- its a vision -- it doesn't need to make sense

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

CL, what'd he do?

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Barno supposed to come on here and ruin the blog or something?

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

JLC carelessly wrote:

"Some on the coaching staff would also worry about the issue of players racing up the highway to get back and forth from Virginia Beach on off days around home playoff games - then veterans racing..."

Uhh, don't you mean home preseason games? Sheesh. Since when did blogging come to mean that proofreading was no longer necessary?

Posted by: Cali_snowboarder | May 21, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I had a doll like that once...

But my cat, it bit its head off!

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

CL -- a true story ... spent a night in Tijuana with several friends, searching for the 'live burro act'. Apparently the burro had died happy. But in our search, we went to a few places where we almost died, not so happy.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Up here, we take our jibba jabba pretty seriously... come correct.

Now gramm(e)r, speling, and proofreading are not high on the priority list.

Also,

Panties!

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Crazy west cost kids with your trips to Mexico to see bestiality.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

it's not a donkey, it's a mentally challenged pig that cL shamelessly rides

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Greater mustache, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, or Mike Dicka?

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

At si.com, Don Banks with a little love for the new guy in Ashburn:

"... 3. What will be the feel-good story of the NFL preseason?

Put me down for the doubleheader of Potomac-area positive vibes being generated by the league's two most energetic and enthusiastic new head coaches in Baltimore's John Harbaugh and Washington's Jim Zorn. Neither has ever even been a coordinator in the NFL, let alone a head coach, but we'll have to find out if that's a plus or minus on their behalf. Harbaugh has the tougher task, taking over a veteran-laden Ravens team that's pretty set in its ways, and trying to whip it into a more disciplined and cohesive bunch. ..."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/05/21/storylines/index.html

Factually, I have a recollection that Harbaugh was the special teams coordinator in Philly, but still, its always nice for someone to "feel good" about Coach Zorn.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Up here, we take our jibba jabba pretty seriously... come correct."

yeah obviously. if you're not jibbin the jabba, then the blog "regs" won't have ya.

Posted by: No outsiders | May 21, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Cowher's reminds me of the dude with the beard in Jacka$ $ 2

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Greater mustache, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, or Mike Ditka?

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:43 PM

John Waters ... kidding ... Frank Zappa.

Mustaches are tired unless you have an underbite. But as fas as hairy lips in the NFL coaching ranks ... Russ Grimm.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, its late May.

Also, seriously... this isn't the playground or a fraternity. Quit crying and bring something interesting or relevant to the group.

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

On the mustache front, I think Tony Dungy would be the John Waters of the NFL ... of course, Dungy himself would say he's the Lee van Cleef of the NFL ... agree to disagree.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Neither Great One, nor No Outsiders should take umbrage.

Everyone is welcome up here...

Posted by: Go Away Great One | May 21, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

DH

Yes or no.....

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

... bring something interesting or relevant to the group.

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 2:48 PM

... and our standards for interesting or relevant are EXTREMELY low, so its not a hard threshold. Just DON'T mention the 4-letter word that starts with "w".

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Here is some real news I did not know:


http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/05/21/redskins-looking-to-hire-a-blogger/

Dan Steinberg of the D.C. Sports Bog reports that the Washington Redskins are looking to hire a blogger. This is good news for Redskins fans, for bloggers, for blog readers -- for everyone who likes football and likes going online to get information about football.

The reason it's good news isn't so much that the Redskins want to host a blog at Redskins.com -- there's nothing inherently good about blogs -- but that according to Steinberg, the team is committed to the idea of bringing in a writer who actually covers the team more or less the way an independent blogger would, not just to re-print press releases and talk about what a genius Jim Zorn is.

Steinberg's colleague Jason La Canfora reported that Steinberg himself was a candidate for the job, and although that ain't happening, the mere fact that the team is reaching out to someone with that kind of journalistic background is impressive. This is a smart move for the Redskins.


Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Im a Virginia Beach resident and am estatic with this type of news. i want my tax dollars to go from paving the roads to the virginia beach sports plex ( which does have amazing fields for all types of sports ). the blitz ruled!!! however landry backed out again, of yet another autograph session.

Posted by: Leacher | May 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

I cant say its a bad one. Better then big Andy's. Still though I would like to see a coach go for the full handlebar.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

WORK!

Posted by: Go Away Great One | May 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

--Dan Steinberg of the D.C. Sports Bog reports that the Washington Redskins are looking to hire a blogger.--

a blogger on the teams payroll. that's a big no thanks.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
As you were apparently a candidate for the job. How can we apply to be the Skins Blogger?

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Misspoke. As you know about candidates for the job.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

1. I JUST SAID not to mention that word! Go away Go Away Great One!

2. Alex, Rollie Fingers would be more fitting than the one that inspires my to think "koo koo katchoo" every time I see Andy Reid. The same stache on Holmgren looks cool, but on Reid, it just doesn't work. Probably the same reason it doesn't work on Mark Mangino.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Typo, they're looking for a Skins Logger. Those pesky trees are growing back.

Posted by: SMACK | May 21, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Just DON'T mention the 4-letter word that starts with "w".

...WHAT is it?

DH

Yes or no.....

If you're talking baseball, then I say YES!

Posted by: Red(Butter) | May 21, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Whoever becomes the skins new blogger, I say we declare a preemptive war on their blog. We know nothing about who they are, or what they believe in, but we just know it will be everything that were against.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Agreed on the DH. What would you rather see, David Ortiz up to bat, or Greg Maddux?

nuff said....

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, I was disappointed in Hampton Roads for not addressing the "Tunnel" issue. They need drive through that shabingus on a friday afternoon or simply watch "Deep Impact" to see what a potential disaster that thing is. And can we talk about North Carolina pitching in to the cause? They're milking the "OBX" thing dry and all of that traffic goes right through I-64.

Maybe Daniel Snyder could pay for some more tunnel lanes. He could paint them Maroon and Black (or burgundy and gold) and put his marketing genius to work to turn a profit. He becomes the saint of the city and everyone names their 1st son Daniel and their golden retrievers Snyder.

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I still say bring trainig camp to DC

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

thanks 2:52, sort-of-anon.

Posted by: Red(2 anon or not 2 anon) | May 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Sween -- I swear Holmgren and Reid are the same person. Or twins.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

1. Red(butter), I will accept w-h-a-t in all its 4-letter word glory. Its one I use alot, typically with an elevating intonation indicating a question.

2. Greg, American League rulz, National League drulz.

3. Mark Mangino is one of the coaches in the top row. http://www.bevosports.com/images/southparkcoaches.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

JLC wrote in this blog; "Some on the coaching staff would also worry about the issue of players racing up the highway to get back and forth from Virginia Beach on off days around home playoff games - then veterans racing against the clock to report back down to the training complex at the beach"

Ummmm maybe I'm a retard but why are the skins playing home playoff games during mini camp? Playoffs?!?!

Posted by: Huh? | May 21, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I say no to the DH, nancy AL, a real man can throw the ball and hit it. But I also say rase the mound back to 15 inches.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I could never figure out why the NL refuses to adopt the DH rule. What, are you taking valuable swings away from Tom Glavine?

Must be a fantasy thing. But then again, Carlos Zambrano can hit also. Gotta love a pitcher who GETS his own RBI.

Posted by: Red(Swing away) | May 21, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I see Holmgren and I think "wistful".

I see Reid and I think "oily".

[I see Wade Phillips and see that Pepsi commercial where he sticks out his fat tongue for the yawn play.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

My favorite thing about that Pepsi commercial with the yawn play is watching Romo getting sacked trying to execute the Yawn Coast Offense.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

While we are discussing sports rules.

Should the NFL do away with the coin toss for something more interesting? One thing I loved about the XFL was that race for the ball to get possession in the beginning of the game. I would say that or have two linemen sumo for it.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

While we are discussing sports rules.

Should the NFL do away with the coin toss for something more interesting? One thing I loved about the XFL was that race for the ball to get possession in the beginning of the game. I would say that or have two linemen sumo for it.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

[I see Wade Phillips and see that Pepsi commercial where he sticks out his fat tongue for the yawn play.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:09 PM

Phillips' tongue looks white in that commercial, like he's been drink similac or something.

Posted by: Red(Formula) | May 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Alex, while I can appreciate your desire to have purity in baseball, its just not happening.

Red, no kidding, I just don't get it. Guys who can actually hit the ball, versus guys who put their batting helmets on backwards....tough choice...

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Greg, you mean the 15 in mound? It will return by god it will return.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Red(Formula), I'm not even going to touch the possibilities for why Phillips tongue might appear white.

In other news, apparently the Miami Cowboys really ARE done with Jason Taylor:

... "I know that Jason is not going to be at any OTA's," Sparano said. "I know that Jason will not be at any minicamps. I know that right now Jason is not going to be at training camp. ..."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-0521taylor,0,3551986.story

I've been a little concerned about the talent that the Cowboys have been raking in this offseason ... so now I would be OK with Taylor being this offseason's plash in Ashburn.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I guranatee that would be exciting for fans

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:21 PM

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Any other guarantees, GO?

Posted by: Go Away Go Away Great One | May 21, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of uniforms... whats that???

No one talking uniforms?

Anyway, will we start to see patches, or decals on NFL uniforms? Something is just werid seeing a "Cialis" on a jersey.

Posted by: Red(No ED for me) | May 21, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michael hates JLC

Posted by: Sources | May 21, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"I've been a little concerned about the talent that the Cowboys have been raking in this offseason"

Who did you mean by this? I know they lost Julius Jones, but who did they bring in? Pacman?

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Sources ... uhdoy.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I wish Jason Taylor would go away now. I'm not mad at him for wanting to explore other options, since he is nearing the end anyway. But does it have to be a HUGE issue, or the top 5 topics in football everyday. I'm sure Dolphins fans would rather be concerned about UDFA's than "The Dancing Dolphin".

Great career, kind of started the whole DE @ like, 6-4, 265-270 thing. Not a HOF'er IMO.

Posted by: Red(Fish) | May 21, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Also, Alex, they aren't raising the mound. I know that a 1-0 pitchers duel is beautiful to some people, but the masses like to see bombs leaving the park.

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

stay the course, great one.

Posted by: Red(Dubbya) | May 21, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"This is Larry Michael reporting for Redskins Radio, from deep inside of Dan Snyders butt cheeks, I just want to say that I think the redskins are going to go 16-0 this year, Jim Zorn is the next Joe Gibbs, and I have to say it just smells like Roses in here. "

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I agree GO.

Red's right. You need to stay the course. Dcsween is right too, I need to go away...

See?

The regs are standing up for ya.

;-)

Posted by: Go Away Go Away Great One | May 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Red, JT is a first ballot guy. 117 sacks in a 10 year career. Yeah, he makes it in, first time. He was a game changer, and don't kid yourself, he's 245-250, if not less.

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I think it's bad that I really begin to follow baseball recently (about 15 years ago). I'm used to seeing HR's quite often. They're saying that the game is changing, and the small ball tactics are coming back.

F the Rockies. Good group of young players, but F em'. Gimme 400 ft. bombs all day.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Taylor would be a good acquisition for most teams, but he just isn't the right fit here. Too bad. He'd replace Andre Carter who is playing well and in his prime. Just not enough of a step up to justify the costs involved.

Taylor is a temporary for a team that needs a top pass rusher. I could see the Gints making a play for him if Strahan doesn't return

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

3:32 was me

Posted by: Red(w/ a corked bat) | May 21, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

If I owned a baseball team, I would build a park with no outfield fence. Maybe have a hill 600 feet away from the plate

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Greg, on closer reflection, you're right ... other than Pacman Jones (who IS a valid threat as a PR/KR), the only other guy is Zach Thomas. They did draft well (Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins), but not that well ... mostly a replacement and an age-related need ... plus, half of their coaches moved to Miami. Never mind. Bring on the yawn play. [Maybe it was Philly that was giving me the yips, but that can't really be it either b/c former Pats never quite play as well outside of Boston.]

Bigger ... smaller ... computers? SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Also, Go Away Great One, I was just being rhetorical ... feel free to hang, pull up a chair, just please watch the "w" word ... I'll chalk it up to Tourrettes or something ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, i didn't know Jason Taylor put up those sack totals in only 10 years.

Impressive.

If he's less than 250, and averages over 10 sacks/, then he must be strong like bull. Funny thing is he doesn't look it.

Okay, I'm aggressively lobbying for Chris Wilson this season.

Posted by: Red(Enlightened) | May 21, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Taylor is a temporary for a team that needs a top pass rusher. I could see the Gints making a play for him if Strahan doesn't return

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 3:33 PM

Yes, I was over-reacting ... caffeine-inspired paranoia. For all intents and purposes (intensive purposes?), Taylor is done. He's just ready for one or two more seasons ... the guy to be picked up by some team in desperate need right before the start of the season, if not right after it starts ... like the role Randall Godfrey had for us this year (maybe even Kendall ... that that one was a win/win for everyone but the Jets). Solid, as necessary, but not any sort of solution that you want to have to bank on.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Re: 3:35 post

I'm with ya. That dumb hill that sits in minute maid park for NO REASON is so lame.

What purpose does it serve?

Posted by: Red('stros) | May 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Rox, do have some young cats who can rake. Tulo, comes to mind.

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

WYLD STALLYNS RULE!!

- .250

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Al, don't forget the choo-choo train. Every park MUST have one of those.

Posted by: Red(Conductor) | May 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't think VaBeach is a good place for training camp. As mentioned (numerous times), its extremely hot and humid down there during July and August.

When DS decides to work towards winning a superbowl, rather than work towards making another buck, maybe this team trains at a remote location and really becomes a team.

Football isn't what is used to be.....

Posted by: Rando | May 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't go so far as to say Taylor is done. He'll be an impact player wherever he winds up for 2-3 years. But the Skins have a guy who is a lot like Taylor, just not as good.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The hill and the train at Minute Maid Park - (AKA - The Juice Box) are essential ingredients to the overall fan experience. How, I really don't know - it just does.

And BTW, if you look at the cargo in the train's car, they are giant oranges that have faded in the sun, and they look just like a large load of pumpkins.

It's a strange place to watch a ballgame.

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If Taylor were on the open market sure I would make a run. But he is not worth more then a 6th round pick now.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

A train? Maybe. But I have liked the idea of no fences for a long time. Hard hit balls are more likely to become HRs than a long fly. And guys would have to run!!

The HR is so valuable in baseball that you get all these guys that can't move (Cecil Fielder, Mark McGuire) and who have only one talent and that is their swing.

The most exciting plays in baseball are defensive plays, not some fat guy trotting around for 360 feet.

Plus, I kinda like the idea of putting out a sheet on the ground and watching a baseball game from a hill 700 feet away. Just us tight wads who refuse to pay for a real seat

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"AKA - The Juice Box"

Juice Box???


Song: Juice Box

JOC: Ay Zoe
ZOE: Whaddup Joc
JOC: There's alotta women out here
ZOE: Yuh
JOC: And all they wanna do is have a good time thats right
ZOE: Hehehehe
JOC: We gotta give em somethin new to say
ZOE: Like what?
JOC: Let's name it somethin else
ZOE: Juice box?

I make a Juice box wet, wet, wet, wet, wet, wet
I make a Juice box drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip
I make a Juice box talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk
I make a juice box pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop

Posted by: Yung Joc & Gorilla Zoe | May 21, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I did that in KC once when visiting.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Juice Box - Minute Maid (shrugs shoulders) - I like the song, though I don't think the good people of Houston would really get into that...

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The Danny's butt smells like roses?

Posted by: Hizzle | May 21, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The blog is getting slow need something to get it swinging again. How about a discussion of the merits of a 17 game season.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

17 game season would just make NFL an even bigger yawnfest. College is already much better (IMO of course), no need to water down the NFL regular season even more.


As if they aren't making enough money now, isn't the NFL the richest sport in the US?

Posted by: Hizzle | May 21, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

++++--Where is Hampton Roads?--++++

It's near Langley AFB. I used to be the base IO there a few wars back. They used to have a C-123 spray flight, which was used to spray for mosquitos. (Yeah, same dudes did the Agent Orange Thing in 'nam. But at the time, who knew?)

My point? LOTS of skeeters in that area. If they move camp, bring your Off! dudes.

Also, one of the benes of my gig is I flew with them a couple of times. (The C-123s, not the Mosquitoes.)

Disney doesn't have an E-ticket ride to compare with flying at 150 feet at 150 MPH. then slamming a wingover into a hammerhead turn to fly back the other way.

Golnabbit. I love tellin' the old war stor...hey you kids! Offa my ALWN!

Posted by: Thats Capt. Corkczar to you | May 21, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Two new NFL rules I'd suggest
1. If the defense gets called for a penalty during a play in the last 2 minutes, the clock is reset to the start of the play. Because sometimes 7 seconds is more valuable that 5 yards

2. If a player is running off the field and is almost at the sidelines when the play starts, he is the 12th man on the field. first violation each game gets a warning, not a penalty. The frigging Super Bowl result almost changed because a Giant player was running off the field and Belichek won a challenge on it.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I think a 17 game season could work. one more gamee is not going to throw off the balance of the NFL. it should be a win,win. the owners get more money and the players get another game check

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

AL, Zeke, etc

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Rule change: Stop giving 15 yard penalties and 1st downs for taunting. I understand you want to control the game but dont take all the emotions out of it.

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the arrows in my last post didn't show up!!!

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

sams3 u should announce ur name change to great one b/c its u

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Just admiring my RI work today. Great ideas like baseball without fences and with a hill for tightwads instead of bleachers.

NFL, two new rules

Fred Davis, move him to Tokyo and use the international date line to get him where he needs to be.

And references to Slap Shot (the Hanson Brothers) and the Burro act in Tijuana.

I need a nap.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The 17 game season is a strange idea - I think it's a bad one for everyone but owners. Sure, you'd like to see another game, but what about injuries to players and overall faitigue?

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea who sams 3 is

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Al Zeke Arrows are a html tool so they make things disappear.

I am for the 17 game season, with 16 AFC-NFC games on "Neutral" ground, put some games in LA, some games in London or wherever around the world. I would love to see an annual Skins Ravens Game in Annapolis or something, or Giants Jets at Yankee Stadium or Mets Stadium.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

John D in houston, the players would rather play 1 more meaningful game then get hurt in preseason when they dont get their full checks.

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

FYI on the 17 game rule it does mean we lose a pre-season game. So they play the same number of games overall.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I got no problem with 17 game season. But I'm guessing the players will want more $$, so whats it really worth to the owners?

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The 17 game season is a strange idea - I think it's a bad one for everyone but owners. Sure, you'd like to see another game, but what about injuries to players and overall faitigue?

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 21, 2008 4:26 PM
Also, only half the teams would get 9 home games, so half the teams would be "penalized".....
And the players get their yearly salary paid out in game checks; adding another game wouldn't give the players more money unless the NFLPA arbitrated it into the contact....

Posted by: dlhaze | May 21, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Because the Commissioner threw the idea of a 17th game out there, the owners are going to rally around it, if only to have something to back down from in the upcoming CBA renegotiations.

My only question is how to make it work, like how to do you figure out which team you play for the 17th game. The current 16 game schedule has some nice orderly rules to it, based on how you ranked in the division the preceding season. The six division games, home and away, are easy. The divisional matchups where every team in the division plays every team in two other divisions (splitting home and away) is also very tidy. That's another eight games. The final two games, also where which divisions play which divisions, are also pre-figure-out-able (based on where you finished within your division).

How do you figure the 17th game? The home-away part seems straightforward enough ... its 50/50 alternating years ... but WHO do they play?

That part of it ... and how 17 is a prime number ... are what I don't like about it.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

From my understanding of the 17 game strategy. its 8 home- 8 away and 1 neutral ground.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

just gettin caught up - Dorf, wasn't C-Webb also pulled on 64 or was it 95?

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

My suggestion for the NBA playoffs. Knockout games.

9 teams make it in each conference. Seed 'em 1-9.

First round has 6 play 9 and 7 play 8. One game, winner moves on. Losers are gone.

Round two has the two first round winners play the 4 and 5 seeds. One game. Losers are gone.

The winners from round 2 play each other. One game. That winner is the number 4 seed.

And then its goes to best of 7 for rest of the way.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Sween,
I would like to see a yearly AFC-NFC rivalry game in the 17th game
Skins-Ravens, SF-Oak, KC-Stl, NYG-NYJ, Phi-Pit, Hou-Dal and so on. As I said its going to be their Neutral ground game so they can play games in LA, Toronto, Europe and Mexico as well as US cities that dont have teams, maybe Orlando will get one, Columbus

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Indy and Chicago at South Bend.
Detroit and Buffalo in Toronto
SD and AZ in Vegas.
Denver vs Seattle, in Salt Lake or somewhere in the NW.
TB-Miami in Orlando

There can be others as well but those are off the top of my head for natural rivalries that could form.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking the natural rivalries for the NFC East are

Skins and Raiders
Dallas and New England
Giants and Colts
Eagles and Steelers

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Skins and Raiders (which owner sucks more?)
Dallas and New England (which QB has knocked up a hotter woman?)
Giants and Colts (Manning vs Manning)
Eagles and Steelers (who wins PA?)

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Rather than the Ravens or Raiders, seems like the Skins latest natural rivals have been Tampa Bay (and, to a lesser extent, only because it didn't turn out so well for the Skins, Seattle).

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Skins Raiders? Well its an easy win. Odds are the NFL will have it be more along the lines that the No 1.AFC plays the No 1. NFC and go down the list through all 16 rankings. I do love the idea of playing in more cities rather than expansion to 33 teams, give LA 5-8 games against random teams for MNF or something.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

There can be others as well but those are off the top of my head for natural rivalries that could form.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:43 PM

Can I add Baltimore and Washington in Washington, DC (say RFK stadium) to that list?
Sounds a lot better than Iggles/Steelers in Harrisburg or State College

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | May 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I was basing everything off what we have seen in the games played overseas, which have always been NFC AFC.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"I've been a little concerned about the talent that the Cowboys have been raking in this offseason"

Who did you mean by this? I know they lost Julius Jones, but who did they bring in? Pacman?

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 3:24 PM

The basis for my Dallas paranoia just came back to me ... its about who they HAVEN'T yet signed plus their cap space that worries me, esp. that Jerrah was supposably in the big receiver sweepstakes going after Chad Johnson too. Plus, reading that now Boldin is officially wanting out of Arizona worries me ... and that Jason Taylor still lurks out there. In addition to his coach poaching, Parcells just swiped a couple of actual players for the Fins. At some point, Jerrah is going to say "comma dude, you owe me, at least karmically."

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Adam,
I had them in my first group, allong with Dallas vs Houston (I would have that in Longhorn stadium). If they do 17 games I would like to see them played regularly in the same spots between the two cities for those teams but expect to see.

1 in ASIA
2 in Europe
2 in North America (Canada/Mexico)
1 in Australia or South America
10 in a random group of US cities with a bunch in LA.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Thought the Boys were signing Osama to be their big, elusive slot receiver, or was I misinformed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8rZmPENqU4

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | May 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

If they do 17 games I would like to see them played regularly in the same spots between the two cities for those teams but expect to see.

1 in ASIA

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:57 PM

Wouldn't that be sweet ... then at halftime, they could have a reunion tune by the band Asia ... or the Vapors.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget India, the Skins cheerleaders are already there.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Alex35332 (and Bangkok Ben)

What's the over/under on arrests/diplomatic incidents from a Boys/Bengals game in Bangkok after both teams hit Patpong alley?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | May 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what my problem is exactly...I love the idea of shortening the preseason, but a 17 game season with one conference having more home games every other year? Sounds like an opening for "Well, you know the NFC had more home games this year. So they're still not as good as the AFC" bull.

Posted by: redskirt | May 21, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

That part of it ... and how 17 is a prime number ... are what I don't like about it.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 4:33 PM

I just saw your post, sween, sorry. The current NFL structure is a thing of symmetrical beauty.

32 teams in the league
16 teams in a conference
4 divisions in a conference
4 teams in a division

AND 16 games in a regular season.

That doesn't even touch the symmetry in the playoffs. This (and the mere existance of NFL playoffs) one of the reasons I prefer pros to college ball. I know that makes me sound souless to I-A football diehards, but I think computers determining who plays in a "championship game" is pretty souless, too.

Posted by: redskirt | May 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

college football sux

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

redskirt, I'm with you ... I'm a big fan of exponents of two.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

To me, there is no comparison between PRo/College FB. Pro whups its azz in every way. Now I really do enjot college FB dont get me wrong but:

1. The wide range of the talent level of the teams makes college uneven and lopsided most games

2. At least there is no pretense in Pro FB, dudes get paid. The college game is so corrupt its taints the experience

3. The polling, the computers, the rankings, no playoffs. Well that is al very lame.

4. College FB is often exploitive on many levels.

5. Saturdays its hard to justify taking both weekend days away from the family

6. Bowl Games are lame

7. The option offense is way lame

8. F tradition

9. Pro game actually has smaller stadiums!

10. Just cuz!

But I do still love college FB...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

As a W&M grad, I agree with you on everything but #8.

F Antidisestablish...antidisiblish...antidistiblink...anti-distinctly minty...

ah heck. F cL ;)

Posted by: redskirt | May 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"32 teams in the league
16 teams in a conference
4 divisions in a conference
4 teams in a division

AND 16 games in a regular season."


4 8 15 16 23 42. Ah crap, the season finale isn't until next Thursday!

- .250

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Hm, could that have been a Numb3rs reference?

Posted by: redskirt | May 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

redskirt- I'll go out on a limb and guess you don't watch 'Lost'?

- .250

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Confucious say....

He who chase Maskrat hard, find himself feeling ratsh*t.

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

CL I agree with all but No. 6. I have no beef with the option offense and the other more "creative" offenses that can be used in college.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

kost- Looks like you slept right through the game.

- .250

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kost -- Geelong -- still unbeaten

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

next couple games aren't exactly against powerhouses either

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

.250 - Yeah, although one of my wonderful mates managed to send me an sms around 5am. Which I guess means Man U won?

AL,Zeke,etc - Yeah, I guess the good thing is that we aren't playing well, but still winning. Hopefully we can hit form on the run into the finals.

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

8 straight wins and not playing well ... Skins fans haven't had that issue in a while ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

++++erstand you want to control the game but dont take all the emotions out of it.

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 4:20 PM++++

Dude, you are right on. YOU know, at least, that's it's about the sizzle, not the steak.

But you don't go far enough. I say let's penalize the dullards in football.

Don't celebrate after a meaningless sack? That's 15 yards and a suspension.

Failure to spike the ball imaginatively after a TD? Forfeit.

Guys like Riggins screwed up a great game by just handing the ball to the ref after a TD, instead of dancing.

Think how many years this could add to Jason Taylor's football career.

Heck, teams could even have designated dance squads--dressed in unis. They'd come out after a score and do a highly choreographed routine.

Or perhaps, allow the defense to counter-dance with THEIR dance squad, and if they are impressive, eliminate the score for the other team.

Why you could have people text message their votes.

I think Deion could return to the game.

This is what Football needs!

No more "No Fun League!" Whooooo-Hoooooo! Par-TAY!

Here's another genius idea. Make it 12 people per team and ONE of them must be a topless female Go-Go dancer.

More flash. More trash. Hey, Trash talking contests at halftime!

Other ideas, fellow Geniuses?

Posted by: Corkczar | May 21, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

So when you off to Vanuatu?

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Monday morning! Can't wait to get out there, going to be awesome!

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Try not to come back with too many girlfriends

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Other ideas, fellow Geniuses?

Posted by: Corkczar | May 21, 2008 6:25 PM


How about we put a target beyond the uprights, and if the kicker hits it on a XP, streamers and fireworks go off around the stadium, and he wins a million dollars?

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha I'll do my best!

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

You hold a tribal council at halftime where each team gets to vote someone out of the game

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Other ideas, fellow Geniuses?

Posted by: Corkczar | May 21, 2008 6:25 PM

What about putting random sensors under astroturf and when a player steps on them it sets off a random strobe light.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Three words:
Randomly exploding footballs

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Kost, you'll love it. Use the credit card, its usually the cheapest way to pay for stuff in other currencies

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Guilty as charged.

Posted by: redskirt | May 21, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Random releasing of rabid wolfs onto the field.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

full of salad tossers around here.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

This Fred Davis thing is a freakin' bore!!! I know we don't have a bunch of free agents to talk about, but my goodness.

I am more worried about Laron Landry. The last thing we need is our best DB acting like an azz...

Posted by: sicwidit | May 21, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes it seems like guys just try harder in college games.

Also, I would love to see the Oakland Raiders vs. the USC Trojans. The NFL losers would CRUSH the NCAA elite.

Steinbog had some more hubbub about Jasno this week ... getting all indignant about Jasno outing him about getting called by the Skins to be the Skins blogger.

You know I love the jibba jabba up here, and I really love the football, but how did the beat reporter become the "story"? I'm not sure he realizes it (because he stopped reading below the thread long ago). I know Steinblog reads below b/c sometimes he still posts ... and Florio does too ... and definitely the Mottram bros do ... maybe b/c there are still fewer than 20 comments below the thread starter (though pft has been busting 50 lately).

Sheesh, back in the day ... it USED to be about the game ... that and the ridicule.

kost, did you have any scary dreams last night? I trust you've learned your lesson, young man ... that muscat will only ever lead to stomas ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit, agreed. I'd like to hear about what's going on with Landry as well. I know that St. Joe was big into the character thing, so I'm not real worried, but it does seem a little off that he's not hanging with the team. Has he even been in town at ALL this spring?

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody really think that NFL teams would surrender 1/2 a home game a year to a 'neutral site' where they have to give a cut to someone else and the stadiums are likely smaller? Yes, they are losing a preseason game in this scenario but remember how the economics work for a typical franchise: TV pays the players, gate pays the operating costs, and concession is the profit (yes, the Redskins among others have done better but this is basically the norm). So giving up home concessions even at an underattended preseason game seems crazy. This is just a PR ploy by the owners in the 'we care about the fans' vein. Starting shot in a 3 year PR war that is just starting.

Plus I like even numbers.

Posted by: zornskins | May 21, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse


Why did Mark Mosley have a perm?

Why did Stephen Davis fumble the ball against the Cardinals?

Why do people think Jason Campbell is dumb?

Why were people acting like Ryan Clark was Ronnie Lott?

Is Kenny Watson really good?

Why does Marvin Lewis still have a job?

Why do I want to do Kim Kardashian?

Why do Steve Czaban and "Smokin" Al Coken hate the FO?

Do you miss Bill Walton? I do.

Is the Redskins FO really the worst in the league?

Why was Joe Jacoby allowed to play with that club on his hand?

What happened to Reggie Brroks?

Posted by: sicwidit | May 21, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

Isn't Landry's behavior eeriley similar to how Sean Taylor acted?

Posted by: sicwidit | May 21, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Midget Porn

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

kost52
I like the idea for the Bullseye between the sticks. Instead of the kicker wins a million, a fan wins a million and if the opposing teams kicker hits the bullseye later, that fan loses the Million.... That would be a great homefield advantage... fans going nuts on the P.A.T.

Posted by: CLEGG | May 21, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit, you know I had the same thought when I was reading down through the last few comments. I remember worrying about Sean when he didn't return St. Joe's phone calls or during the whole retaliation thing in Miami, but he turned out well. I miss knowing he'll step out on the field for us.

My other thought is, if LL IS acting up, I wonder if his good behavior last year had anything to do with him respecting Sean, maybe even being a little afraid of him?

Posted by: redskirt | May 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

sween, I did learn a lesson, from now on I'll be much more hesitant about googling something you wrote just before bedtime!

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

what a long strange trip it's been.

Posted by: Dick Harder | May 21, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

CLEGG- That'd be awesome, can you imagine all the boos the away kicker would be getting if he 'stole' the money!

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I have one word to describe this move.dumb last thing you want is a unhappy player.

Posted by: D.C. | May 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

If you are going to add games to the regular season, it would have to be 18. This is just a ploy by the owners for leverage on the next CBA.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

It seems kinda dead in here. I've been at class all week; I'm taking summer classes obviously. Considering Zornskins' comment, I doubt we'll end up with 17 games in the regular season. It is all about making money in this league even though spending is slightly regulated. The way Gene Upshaw is acting is disgusting to me because he's saying he won't give in to something that's in the best interest of the players, but you guys all know my reasons for that. What's happened with LL? I've been out of the loop on that one.

Posted by: Karen | May 21, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Hi Karen. We're talking about this bit that was in Jasno's post:

"Second-year safety LaRon Landry has not been around the facility much this off season, drew plenty of attention for his post-practice race with Clinton Portis a few weeks back and ended up skipping the Beach Blitz event after telling people within the organization that he would attend. Landry attained a fair degree of fame in his rookie season and while no one is freaking out about any of this, there are some within the building keeping their fingers crossed he maintains the same attitude he exhibited as a rookie ..."

Posted by: redskirt | May 21, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Why do people think Jason Campbell is dumb?

Posted by: sicwidit | May 21, 2008 8:10 PM

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People think JC is dumb because he breathes through his mouth and makes ill advised decisions on the football field which demoralize the team and sends the team into a funky firk of a joinky jerk of a funk from which they finally emerge in the nick of time with four games left to play in the regular season with a 37 year old career backup who breathes through his nose under center, playing the role of savior and making Joe Gibbs look very dumb in the process.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

LL looked like the most pissed off guy on the sideline during the playoff loss in Seattle after making 2 picks. I wouldn't worry about him showing up Sundays.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I got a deviated septum. You guys are a-holes.

Posted by: Jason Campbell | May 21, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Looks like this place could use some tequila!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

JC got a bad rap starting with his Wunderlich (14 I think - pretty bad - Brock Berlin and Jim Sorgi territory). Like many others he did much better the 2nd time. But I think with all the confusing offenses he has been trying to learn, for some unfortunate reason the 'Jason is not so smart' thread has lived on. I wouldn't distinguish the guy either way - not some sort of genius but not clueless either. I would say he from a smarts standpoint he is better at absorbing stuff then making quick decisions, I am not sure which is better but I think on the field decisions are more key.

Dan Marino had a 14 by the way. And Sage Rosenfelds had like a 32 or something.

Posted by: zornskins | May 21, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Does the team know where he is? He got drafted from LSU if I'm thinking correctly. So do they have anything similar to the Miami spring training thing where all the Miami players go there frequently instead of going to non-mandatory OTA's? If the team hasn't had any contact with him, unless he's in a coma, they ought to fine him for every day he stays silent and doesn't communicate with the coaching staff. This will send a message so there's no crap as to where the players are in the offseason. If you're not going to be at OTA's you should at least have complete communication with your team so you can be prepared when training camp starts. IMO. Have a good night everyone.

Posted by: Karen | May 21, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I worried about Laron Landry...I hope Blache rips him a new one...

I know some of this stuff ain't mandatory, but damn... You ain't Sean T.

Posted by: sicwidit | May 21, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I am really routing for JC...I think we need to take the Pampers off that dude though. He has to show real leadership this year. No more..."he's young", "he's got the tools"...he has to produce. For me he doesn't have to win a Super Bowl, but he has to hit his weapons. Personally, I think that Tampa loss was on him. That was a horrible INT at the end. In the Green Bay game...Santana Moss should have turned in his game check.

Posted by: sicwidit | May 21, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Counter argument to Zornskins. Just for arguments sake.

Does anybody really think that NFL teams would surrender 1/2 a home game a year to a 'neutral site' where they have to give a cut to someone else and the stadiums are likely smaller?

There are roughly 50 Stadiums in the US that are bigger than the smallest NFL stadium *Chicago now but used to be Indy, and 8 bigger then FedEx. Teams would be sacrificing 1 pre-season games worth of profits which is not nearly 1/2 a home game. Most pre-season games don't fill the stadium anyway, I would argue that the profits the teams would "lose" would be less than that and would be balanced out by a 17th game, likely in prime time.

Yes, they are losing a preseason game in this scenario but remember how the economics work for a typical franchise: TV pays the players, gate pays the operating costs, and concession is the profit (yes, the Redskins among others have done better but this is basically the norm). So giving up home concessions even at an underattended preseason game seems crazy.

There are ton's of other spots that teams get profits from that your missing here, and as I stated above teams would be able to get more money from the increased value in advertising a real game over a pre-season game. The value of advertising based on the value of the game in prime time and it matters so more viewers= more advertising dollars. Playing in larger stadiums could mean more concession revenue to be divided among the teams, not to mention games overseas is good marketing and brand expansion, with more sales for shirts and stuff like that. However this is pure speculation on both our parts, I am sure the NFL will do a cost benefit analysis before they make any decision, if they have not already.

This is just a PR ploy by the owners in the 'we care about the fans' vein. Starting shot in a 3 year PR war that is just starting.

This is something Goodell brought up the day he took charge, along with playing a super-bowl out of the US, so I don't think thats the case, I think the King of the NFL dreams of the NFL brand going global. The idea came from Goodell not the owners.
Thing is the owners are not going to stand by forever, with one team getting shorted a game in the 8 game schedule like they have been the last few years.

Plus I like even numbers.
I like the idea of odd numbers, I loath the idea of .500 teams. This is the ultimate american sport and in america you win or you lose, no in between. .500 is Bolshevism, shear Bolshevism.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Last year the luckiest QB was Romo. How many snaps went over his head, with one hitting him in the face mask, yet the ball seemed to bounce back to him or the girls. JC is compared to Romo alot and needs to step up this year. If he does not show he has "IT" we need to bite the bullet and move on. The problem is who will be his replacement?

Instead of developing someone over the last few years we chose to go with two "older" guys that do not have many years left. So what does that leave the Skins??

Even if there is a super QB in next years draft, 1)are we able to draft him based on where we will pick and 2)can that person come in a play in year one??

We may be giving up a 1st rd pick in order to trade for someone (Anderson or Quinn) to come in and play for us. JC needs to step up and be the QB we thought he was/is or we could be three steps back from where we could have been by keeping one of our former QBs that was here during the Spurrier years.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 21, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

SLC -- just to add to your question list. Why did the Post have to buyout Kornheiser's contract? Given how little he did for the Post, seems like Tony owes them $$$.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

This is just a PR ploy by the owners in the 'we care about the fans' vein. Starting shot in a 3 year PR war that is just starting.

This is something Goodell brought up the day he took charge, along with playing a super-bowl out of the US, so I don't think that's the case, I think the King of the NFL dreams of the NFL brand going global. The idea came from Goodell not the owners.
Thing is the owners are not going to stand by forever, with one team getting shorted a game in the 8 game schedule like they have been the last few years.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 11:09 PM

The opt out is neither a PR ploy nor an attempt to get games played overseas. This is about leverage and getting what the owners were not able to get in the rush to extend the last CBA.

This is about Bonus $$$ and discipline. Based on the ruling made on Vick's bonus money, the owners need to be able to recoup bonus money due to breach of contract similar to Vick's situation. And for some reason the hair length is an issue for the owners and they are not able to discipline players for the way they wear there hair.

Especially during Marshall Goodell's regime of tougher penalties to repeat offenders, the owners need to be able to get bonuses money for players who pull either a "pac-man" or "vick" on them.

IMO they can live with players getting 60% of revenues, but want to protect themselves from the two situations I mentioned above.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 21, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

****Minibingus Report****

Arsenal didn't lose!

Posted by: SMACK | May 22, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

I am really routing for JC...

Posted by: sicwidit | May 21, 2008 10:59 PM

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Shouldn't it be "rooting for," rather than "routing for?"

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 22, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

alert

Cooley is on Yahoo front page. It is about his wife giving up that high paying cheerleader job - for a poor simple TE.

Posted by: mul | May 22, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

What about adding two regular season games in place of two preseason games? That way each team could play every team in three other divisions plus their 6 own division games. You keep the symmetry and even numbers of home games for all.

Posted by: Nico | May 22, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Cooley's wife is hot! He is lucky man.
Hey jason did you get an invite. I hear Chris put you at the table with Danny Boy
and Wilbon!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Bring them back to Carlisle.

Posted by: dcwaugaman | May 22, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Curzon,
we were not talking about the op out but the 17th game.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Man, she is hot.....Cooley doesn't sound ashamed of his taste for the nectar....hope Goodell doesn't catch wind of any of that.

Posted by: dlhaze | May 22, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I got a good question for the blog, who is more like Riggo, or gets the Mr. Redskin award? Portis or Cooley. I have to say Cooley, because once you read his blog, he seems to do silly stuff off the field more then CP, big drinker and regular goof ball, he is also willing to say what he thinks on issues surrounding football at large. Not to mention marrying an ex-skins cheer leader, cant get more Cool(ey) than that.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Redskins should've drafted Brian Brohm.


Hell, I'd rather have a second punter than Colt Brennan.

Posted by: Hizzle | May 22, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I demand a blog vote! Who is Mr. Redskin.

If your interested post your response and I will do the tally end of the day, though to make it easier, please put a quick 35332 in your response so I can find them quick with a search function.

-Alex 35332 Zeese.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Whoa, did someone say we might need to make a move for Brady Quinn?


Brady Quinn won't compare to Campbell. I'm hoping my boy Stafford doesn't go pro next year, but if he does Skins might wanna jump on that real quick. Zorn could make him something special and he'd have been coached under great QB coaches Mark Richt and Mike Bobo and then under Zorn.

Posted by: Hizzle | May 22, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Redskins = Rock Cartwright.

Posted by: Hizzle | May 22, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Hizzle,
A interesting choice. A fan favorite for sure.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Some good points Alex. But I think it will come down to in the end that the players who run NFLPA (read: starters) will demand to get paid more for a 17th game, where they actually have to play, instead of current system where they run 2 series and then head to the bench.

Also as Kurzon said clarity on contractual obligations as boring as that sounds may be at the heart of the owners' beef here. If they can pay 60% but not have to pay Michael VIck like players I think that would probably fly. Not so sure about the hair though

Personally I think international SB as Alex suggests is more likely than 17 game season.


I still like even numbers though.

Plus I like even numbers.
I like the idea of odd numbers, I loath the idea of .500 teams. This is the ultimate american sport and in america you win or you lose, no in between. .500 is Bolshevism, shear Bolshevism.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 11:09 PM

Posted by: zornskins | May 22, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Ethan Albright

His skin is white but with a redish tint. I mean just look at the guy...FEROCITY. He could pummel Rock like David did to David.

http://www.nfl.com/players/ethanalbright/profile?id=ALB637766

Posted by: Pubgolf | May 22, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Alex -
Do you mean among current Redskins players?

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

35332
Chris Samuels gets my vote; dude is a pro bowler year after year and never seems to get hurt or get into trouble. Plus he's been a skin his whole career.

Posted by: dlhaze | May 22, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

This is a tough one, 35332... I would think spending one's entire career in the crimson and lemon adds heft to the case for any Mr. Redskin nomination. Cooley is a leading candidate, to be sure. No argument there.

But I'm going to look past the recent injury problems and pick Jon Jansen, for his warrior characteristics, his longevity, the likelihood he spends his entire career in our uniform, and for being an O lineman.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Red,
yes current players only, I know that Green is still Mr. Redskins for Life

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Red,
yes current players only, I know that Green is still Mr. Redskins for Live.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Its still early but seems to be zero consensus on this, which I guess is a great example of how loyal our fans are towards players.

PDX, I got my button in the mail. Its now on my skins jersey ready for the 7th.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

K just wanted to make sure.

I think the Chris Samuels argument is a good one. Yes, he never SEEMS to get hurt (though at the beginning of last season he spent most of training camp rehabbing from an injury...was it a knee injury? I can't remember now).

But come the regular season, he was ready to play. My vote goes to Samuels.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Oh wait, everything I said about Jansen goes for Samuels, minus one year of tenure and some of the grievous injuries. And Samuels plays on the more important left side.

Maybe I should switch my vote to Samuels.

I *heart* flip-flopping.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

35332 -- Mike Sellers

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is neither stupid nor a mouth breather. Eli Manning is both stupid (though admittedly he IS able to prepare soup from a can ... maybe even using the microwave) and a clear mouth breather.

Jason Campbell is country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L82dkFeVHs

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I *heart* country.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Karen and sicwidit, OTAs don't start till June. Anything until that point is voluntary ... meaning non-mandatory ... meaning no adverse consequences without a change to the CBA ... which I hear is opening up soon anyway. Also, Springs has been away too ... and does so this time every year.

Everybody deals with grief differently. It is not outside the realm of possibility that Landry has a lot on his mind after what can safely be labeled a "brilliant" rookie season ... that happened to include the loss of the player with whom he worked most closely. Remember that Sean Taylor was not well-served by the departure of Ryan Clark.

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Fun fact, all votes till now are on offense.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Alex, I was thinking about Cornelius, but I'm worried that putting him up there might be a jinx that results in him getting cut for salary reasons. Also, Fletcher would be a good choice, but he's only been here one year.

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Oh, maybe a signature moment or period is important, some image the player's name instantly evokes... for me, Jansen will always be the guy who went to war for us with two broken thumbs, with those big clubs on both hands. Love that.

Defense... when we lost our best defensive player last season, and LaRon is only in his second year, and the other top dudes on that side of the ball seem like relatively new-to-the-team guys (Fletcher, Springs), and Darrell is so fresh in our memory, it's hard to hold any of them up as Mr. Redskin. Yet.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

35332

I will go with Cooley. He will be a Redskin his whole career, plays the game like an old school FB player and is just plain real. Just barely beats out Samuels.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 22, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm trying to keep in mind the difference between "Mr. Redskin" and our favorite Redskins players.

For the record, my favorite was Sean T. but since he's no longer with us, I think my favorite is now Randy Thomas. Or Mike Sellers. I love it when those dudes do interviews.

But I wouldn't go so far as call Randy "Mr. Redskin." Maybe Mike.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Nate. A lot of the guys that you could vote for are either too young or new to the squad. Jansen and Samuels are good votes - consistent yearly performance (when not injured) and lifetime Skins. Keep their noses clean and do well with the media and fans.

I think that anyone getting recognition as Mr. Redskin would also either have to be a Redskin draft pick or their tenure with the team would have to be a lot longer with us than with whoever they were with prior. Honestly, Portis could be mentioned in this convo too. That dude does a lot of dirty work when he doesn't have the ball.

Posted by: [cc] | May 22, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Well the parameters can be complex, and I did not want to define them for that reason, keep them subjective. At the same time the final answers people are giving show me allot about the image of the team in the minds of us fans, one I will post once I get a good tally finished with.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Antonio Pierce....

No, not wait.....My Bonus Points, thats my answer.

Posted by: Greg | May 22, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

This is slightly off topic but...when was the last time a Redskin player was featured (not a blip with 20 other NFL players) in a national TV commercial. I can't think of any in recent memory.

Do we have to go back to Gibbs 1.0 for that?

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Definately Sellers. He does the unheralded dirty work. Craves the ball. Knocks peoples block off. Gets himself knocked out too occasionally. And gives a great interview.

Posted by: Nico | May 22, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I often wonder if they avoid putting skins in commercials because of the Indian issue, same with Chiefs...

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

This is slightly off topic but...when was the last time a Redskin player was featured (not a blip with 20 other NFL players) in a national TV commercial. I can't think of any in recent memory.
Do we have to go back to Gibbs 1.0 for that?
Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 10:35 AM

Wasn't Jason Campbell in an NFL network commercial for Fantasy Football last year? The one where he tosses the one football, then throws another which knocks the first ball into one receiver's hands, and the second one drops right into another guys hands.

Plus Lavar was sininging "Tomorrow" in a Super Bowl commercial for the NFL a few years back.....

Posted by: dlhaze | May 22, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

** warning futbol and minibingus-related post **

Thanks to all who came out to Summers last night: SMACK and Adam for managing to turn the conversation to football at least twice in four hours, Cindy for being great company and massively overpaying for her one beer.

A big thankyou to Adam for inviting several cool friends along as well, including one who I should apologise to for mercilessly teasing her about being a Liverpool fan. I shouldm but I won't. :)

It was a fun night with a great bunch of folks, and even the result was right - for me at least!

And Cindy, Adam, SMACK, please remember, not a word about my suggested 'alternative opening parade' for the Beijing Olympics. What happens in Summers, stays in Summers...

And Sween and Jasno, sorry you guys couldn't be there but I understand the reasons. Maybe next time!!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 22, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Is Dan Snyder "Mr. Redskin"?

Posted by: Hizzle | May 22, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Interesting, Alex. I hadn't considered that possibility.

And thanks dlhaze, now that you mention it I do remember Jason's NFL Network commercial. I don't recall Lavar's (though I know he was a "blip" in a NFL player ensemble commercial a few years ago).

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

35332,

Mr. Redskin is the "Love that chicken from POP-EYESSSSSSSSSSSSS" guy.

Posted by: not Ricky Bobby | May 22, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that we have had hardly any at all Redskins in the "national" commericials. Only one's I can think of besides Campbell and Lavar are Joe Thiesmann's camera commercial and the Riggos (Ford) Ranger ads....other than that, nada. If anyone else can remember help me out. Doesn't seem like we have EVER had a guy who is in more than one commercial (except locally) a- la Dan Marino, Peton Manning, Troy Aikman, etc......

Posted by: dlhaze | May 22, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I WILL BE PISSED IF WE DON'T MAKE A SERIOUS RUN AT JASON TAYLOR!!!!

Posted by: Bug EyeS | May 22, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I WILL BE PISSED IF WE DON'T MAKE A SERIOUS RUN AT JASON TAYLOR!!!!

Posted by: Bug EyeS | May 22, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I WILL BE PISSED IF WE DON'T MAKE A SERIOUS RUN AT JASON TAYLOR!!!!

Posted by: Bug EyeS | May 22, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SCSkins | May 22, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Forgot to mention that Chris and Christy are getting married this Friday.

Congrats to the happy couple. Do the RI insiders get an invite to the wedding? We will be the ones in the back screaming,

COOOOOOOOOOLEY!

Posted by: SCSkins | May 22, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Howie Long did those Radio Shack commercials with Teri Hatcher. Reggie Bush did some of the gatorade-colored sweating in those commercials. The Manning brothers commercials for Oreos are absurd (though one of the woman regulars at my weekly drinking hole loves the commercial ... yuk). Personally, seeing a football player peddle a product or service does not make me inclined to purchase. For my consumer dollar, I want sex, comedy, or food in the commercial ... preferably all three. [And the food should be from one or more of the following food groups: butter, sugar, cheese, red.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Charles Mann did some Hungry Man commercials back in the day.

Posted by: SCSkins | May 22, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Awkward glances and stares filled the room, and before the night ended I knew that I wanted more."

-Chris Cooley

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Want to poke fun here, but I got nothing.

Congrats to Chris and Christy.


Posted by: Chia Pet | May 22, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"Awkward glances and stares filled the room, and before the night ended I knew that I wanted more."

-Chris Cooley

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Want to poke fun here, but I got nothing.

Congrats to Chris and Christy.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 22, 2008 11:24 AM

Is it because it sounds like one of the "articles" in a porn mag?

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Make sure to read the comments below the Cooley blog, Chia. Some real classy characters out there.

Personal favorites include,

"Pre-nup!"

"Once you get married, the *&*# jobs stop."

Posted by: SCSkins | May 22, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I finally figured it out, the beat reporter does not report on stories that do not involve bashing the front office. I always wondered why stories would be let or never reported.

Posted by: Great One | May 22, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I finally figured it out, the beat reporter does not report on stories that do not involve bashing the front office. I always wondered why stories would be let or never reported.

Posted by: Great One | May 22, 2008 11:29 AM

Did you even read his post about Morocco Brown? I think there's supposed to be an indepth article about that particular hiring in Friday's Post.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Training Camp at the beach? Seriously? As if this team hasn't created it's own distractions for training camp at Redskins Park, now they want to train at a vacation spot? Please, God, no!

This team needs to go back to Carlisle. So that way I only have to drive a half hour to see them. And it makes good sense from a focus standpoint.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 22, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

yeah i read it, but I felt like fussing so im fussing

Posted by: Great One | May 22, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Will not make fun of Chris Cooley; just won't happen. I thought his post in yahoo was genuinely heart warming, kinda...

Sween: Thanks for posting that link on Soup. You are correct; JC is not dumb, he's just countrified.

Also, he appeared to be breathing through his nose throughout the course of the interview.

I stand corrected on both counts.


Posted by: Chia Pet | May 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Will not make fun of Chris Cooley; just won't happen. I thought his post in yahoo was genuinely heart warming, kinda...

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 22, 2008 11:35 AM

Fair enough--I did like most of his post on yahoo, and the end was great. All I'm saying is the beginning was kind of odd. I mean, full points to Cooley for sharing his most personal feelings with the world, but the beginning made me wonder if he has secret aspirations to write a romance novel.

At any rate, I definitely wish them all the best. I'm getting married the weekend after their wedding so I can definitely empathize with all the feelings they're probably having right now!

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

yeah i read it, but I felt like fussing so im fussing

Posted by: Great One | May 22, 2008 11:34 AM

Oh ok. Fuss on :)

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

by Great One

Posted by: Go Away Great One | May 22, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Damn, did anyone else check out the old Maxim shots of Cooley's wife? It's good to be the king...

By the way, is it me or is Cooley becoming the new Riggins? With his must-read blog, hot cheerleader wife, and goofy comments he's got to be THE character of the Redskins. He's officially Riggo if Hillary Clinton becomes President, the Redskins win the Super Bowl, and on their visit to the White House he smacks her on the ass and says, "Loosen up Hilly baby"!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 22, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Ha man, I missed you

Posted by: Great One | May 22, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Brownie,

Pervin' out to the future Mrs. Cooley's old Maxim photos, huh?

Which issue?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 22, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I WILL BE PISSED IF WE DON'T MAKE A FRIVOLOUS FOTROT AT MR. DANCING WITH THE STARS LOSER.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | May 22, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I ON THE OTEHR HAND, WILL BE PO'ED IF WE DON'T MAKE A FRIVOLOUS FOTROT AT MR. DANCING WITH THE STARS LOSER.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | May 22, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Chia Pet, the article on Yahoo has a link to her photo shoot with Maxim back in 2003. Check it out if you can, it's quality stuff. Chicks are hotter in burgundy and gold anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 22, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Chia Pet, the article on Yahoo has a link to her photo shoot with Maxim back in 2003. Check it out if you can, it's quality stuff. Chicks are hotter in burgundy and gold anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 22, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Chia Pet, the article on Yahoo has a link to her photo shoot with Maxim back in 2003. Check it out if you can, it's quality stuff. Chicks are hotter in burgundy and gold anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 22, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

F Jason Taylor.

Should have his agent line up a contract with a classy organization, like the Oakland Raiders.

No way this guy plays a down for Parcells.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 22, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

On a different subject

I cant wait to play the cowboys this year, they are talking about putting pacman at corner,punt returner,and WR. who the heck do they think he he is, the second coming of Deion Sanders.

i hope santana burns him for a touchdown, he gets killed by mike seller on special teams, and laron landry knocks the snot out of him when he plays WR.

Posted by: GreatOne | May 22, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves.

Posted by: Corksoaker | May 22, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Brown,
This is why I started my poll.. Who is the face of the skins/mr redskins/ the new riggo. I am with ya.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

dc, I understand what you're saying, but in my opinion, communication is required. Not necessarilly showing up to voluntary spring workouts, but communicating with the coaching staff so there aren't any worries. Having LL being essentially MIA isn't good, which is what mandatory communication would fix.

Posted by: Karen | May 22, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Alex, sorry I missed that. But it has to be Cooley, he definitely gets the nod over Portis in my book.

As for this Pacman at WR crap...how about you get that turd off suspension before you start drawing up plays for the guy! I smell a swan dive in the standings for Satan's Team...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 22, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Mike sellers, since they run out of his helmet

Posted by: Great One | May 22, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Karen,
I have issues with words like Mandatory, Required and In. He is a grown man and should just pick of a phone is all.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis was MIA. With the amount of money already sunk into Landry, the Skins know exactly where he is and what he's up to ... that's the "day job" of NFL Security.

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Tough one on "Mr. Redskin"...

I'm gonna go with Sellars. Dude is a freak and will do anything that's asked.

Posted by: sicwidit | May 22, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Dan Synder still have the Redskins belt buckle he wore as a kid? That's Mr. Redskin right there. He should display it near the players entrance as they come onto FedEx field, so they can rub it for good luck! Then of course he'd have replicas made and sell them for 100 bucks a pop.

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 22, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The radio guys out here (Denver) were commenting on how bad the AFC West will be next year - apparent cakewalk for the Chargers. Got me thinking about the skins. The NFC East looks like it could be a meat grinder next year. Three playoff teams from last year plus a tough Philly team should make for awesome division games this Fall.

Posted by: skinswest | May 22, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Isn't the def of freak "someone who'll do anything that's asked?" I've known a few freaks in my lifetime......if I could only remember her name? d@mn...

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 22, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to Cooley ... his wife to be is stunning. Hope she is a sweet as she is hot ... because I never forget the wisdom of Jimmy Soul:

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So from my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

{Refrain}

A pretty woman makes her husband look small
And very often causes his downfall
As soon as he marries her, then she starts
Doin' the things that will break his heart

But if you make an ugly woman your wife
You'll be happy for the rest of your life
An ugly woman cooks your meals on time
An she'll always give you peace of mind

{Refrain}

Don't let your friends say you have no taste
Go ahead and marry anyway
Though her face is ugly and her eyes don't match
Take it from me, she's a better catch

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

35332 - I'd have to go with one of the OT for this right now. I think in the next couple of years Cooley will take the mantle but Jansen/Samuels right now. My personal favorite is Jansen as I loved the sight of him with two broken thumbs still playing his heart out.

Posted by: BCBarney | May 22, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The Funky four = not Mr. Redskin

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

So I was board and did some fun math. Came up with the averages of the ideal stats and info for a "Mr. Redskin" fictional character, based of the statistics from the responses so far. He would look like the following:

6' 3 1/3" 274 lbs Jersey No 53 ( 53.153)

Odd that the Jersey No works out to be this guy we already have named Washington.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

For a HOT pic- of Cooley's new wife.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 1:12 PM


How 'bout we see one of yours.

Thou shall not covet.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Being that I don't have one.... Um good luck. Hey man he posted it not me.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

For some reason, I'm happy to report that the firewall at work does not block that Chris Cooley site.

Posted by: Greg | May 22, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Also I am assuming that Cooley okayed posting those kinds of Pic's with his new wife (well tomorrow anyway) before the blog went up. Though I remember he F***ed up and put up a pic with his home address and SS# during Tax season.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

High and Mighty at 1:35,
There are some Pic's out there of my girlfriends stomach surgery on flicker if that will float your boat, but that would probably be the best I could offer.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley's SSN > TO's SSN

Posted by: Hizzle | May 22, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

lurn haow tu cpell furst.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

35332

Mr Redskin? Larry Michael, of course. Just ask him.

Posted by: Speechless after Pubgolf sighting | May 22, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

High and Mighty at 1:35,
There are some Pic's out there of my girlfriends stomach surgery on flicker if that will float your boat, but that would probably be the best I could offer.


Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 1:51 PM


chill out, son.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I have pics of TO's girlfriend Tony Romo.

Posted by: Hizzle | May 22, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Dorf | May 22, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Dude, most of what I write on here is sarcasm, this is a blog. If you take any of it seriously you could get hurt.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Alex 35332 Zeese:
My immediate thought was Chris Samuels.
Second, Jon Jansen
third, Mike Sellers
fourth, Chris Cooley.

My vote: Samuels, for all the right choices. Drafted by skins, makes Pro bowls, plays every down, longevity, he has struggled through losing times with our beloved Redskins (he deserves a superbowl ring) He plays one of the toughest positions on the field.

(if he wants to sit out preseason again this year, he has my approval)


Dan Snyder is a Redskin. Think about it, he loved the redskins his whole life, works hard and makes lots of moola and buys them. As a fan, it doesn't get much better than that. Unfortunately, the drive it took to become richer than moola has wharped his sense of judgement on football issues. I think it will take Snyder 10-15 years more to settle down. It took JKC a good while, too. I like the guy for lifetime achievement and I truely think he wants to win Super Bowl(s), its just not that easy. His owner moves have been mostly horrible. Bringing Joe Gibbs back was only mediocre, he needs to show us he knows how to find a un-polished gem as a coach, tenure 10+ years. Could Zorn be the guy? Much pressure to Washington Redskins coaches and owners and players.

Alex 35332 Zeese, maybe we should poll the all-time Mr. Redskin.
Darrel Green, Monte Coleman, Len Hauss, Joe Jocaby, Dave Butz, Dexter Manley, Charlie Taylor, Art Monk, Ken Houston, Chris Hanberger, Charles Mann, Larry Brown, Bobby Mitchell.

Notice, I don't have any Qb's in the list. Just think how good this team would be with at least one franchise qb. I don't think JoeT was the guy but if he didn't suffer that broken leg, the 80's team would have been super sweet. Joe Gibbs had to rebuild from that, he just doesn't get enough credit, in my book.

Posted by: rando | May 22, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

would that be physically, mentally, spritually, and emotionally?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Rando,

The Post did that a year or so ago, I think Green won. But they did put in Sammy Baugh and peeps like that too

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Well I would start with spiritually and emotionally. Though now with this whole My-Space thing where the girl in the midwest killed herself over someone impersonating her boyfriend in her my-space page.. guess I am saying you never know.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Alex35332,
Yes I remember the post poll, head to head weekly matchups. And DG would probably win on this blog, as well. My bad. I love bringing up the old names. Speaking of, does anyone have any good Dave Butz stories? I loved that guys game. He was a trench warrior, his opponents always remembered battling him all day. Usually two or three guys.


Also posted:
........ My personal favorite is Jansen as I loved the sight of him with two broken thumbs still playing his heart out.

Posted by: BCBarney | May 22, 2008 1:09 PM ........

BCBarney, right on about Jansen playing with two broken thumbs. That could be one of the best season all-time for any offensive linemen in the NFL. If my memory serves me, I think he had a great season that year.

Posted by: rando | May 22, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Mr Redskins All-Time?

Sonny.

He has been with this team since 1964(?). Nearly 50 years.

rando -- was Sonny a franchise QB? Of course. HOF

Lombardi once told a couple of his former Packer players that if the Packers had Sonny, they would have never lost.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

fyi, when Theismann went down, he was on the downside. His stats from that season were among the worst of his career. The Skins were around 5-5 when Joe went down. Schroeder, a rookie, replaced him and the Skins only lost one game the rest of the way.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Dave Butz might have been the MVP of the Super Bowl against Denver. Yeah, that Williams guy did play the best 15 minutes of football in history ... so he obviously deserved it.

Still, Butz was amazing.

He constantly threw the middle of the Bronco O-line into Elway's lap. Totally collapsed the middle of the line all game long. Total mismatch. Of course, Manley also had a major mismatch, as the Broncos started LT got injured early in the game.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah! for Greg that he can access something other than "news"y sites.

At least Cooley's blog will keep you entertained.

Posted by: BCBarney | May 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

So apparently, Sammy Baugh starred in a movie. And it sounds AWESOME.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Texas_Rangers

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

bc, yeah, that was a pleasant surprise....

Posted by: Greg | May 22, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys vs Nazi's, now thats a movie everyone can enjoy!

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
I have to admit not the kinda stuff I want to be looking at in the cubical for too long.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Where does Vinny start the bidding against himself in the Jason Taylor Sweepstakes? I say he starts with a 1st & a 3rd. When Parcells balks, he throws in an additional #1, then tears up Taylors existing contract and grabs one of of those $10 million dollar signing bonus checks from the pile on Danny's desk and extends taylor to a 5 year deal.

Posted by: Jim Cee | May 22, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Alex, I was shocked that I could get to that site, then even more so when I saw the pics. I QUICKLY backed out of it...

Posted by: Greg | May 22, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Ditto here. I found out it really is just a re-posting of his yahoo article. But that is what I call a modern open marriage.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

MR. REDSKIN? Gotta be a little more specific...

D. Green for Class
Riggo to visit the Supreme Court with
D. Butz to walk down an alley with
Sonny to have a beer with
Billy Kilmer for facial coloration closest to team name.
Joe Gibbs for three Superbowls
Bobby Mitchell for History
Doug Williams for More History
Jerry Smith for Gay Pride
The Hogs for attitude.
The Fun Bunch for the Joy of It
M. Schlereth for playing through the pain
Sean Taylor for tragedy.
Art Monk for patience...

I'm sure there's more...

Posted by: Corkczar | May 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The Spaghetti Gang will pass on Jason Taylor. They would rather get ocho cinco. But, for very different reason, both are mistakes.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Alex, I was shocked that I could get to that site, then even more so when I saw the pics. I QUICKLY backed out of it...

Posted by: Greg | May 22, 2008 3:16 PM

Greg, I can't get into the wiki site from work anymore......last week they started blocking my access to Sirius radio on the interweb (that REALLY got me po'ed). Just waiting for the day when they block my access to this blog....

Posted by: dlhaze | May 22, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Why does this blog have an advert featuring Matt Hasslebeck?

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Spaghetti Gang will pass on Jason Taylor. They would rather get ocho cinco. But, for very different reason, both are mistakes.


Are you being serious? Is that what you think the FO is looking to do?

Posted by: Greg | May 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I've changed my mind on Mr. Redskin again ... I'm with Pub Golf ... its Ethan Albright.

He's been here longer than anybody (since 1994). He's floated around the league among the scrapheap of journeymen like "core Skins" like Sellers and Thrash (soon to be former core Skin). He is still likely to be on the roster after this season. He only ever gets offered one year contracts. He FINALLY made the Pro Bowl. He is always the first name on the Skins roster. He got dissed by Madden (and has a hilarious F Madden tribute site). Plus, like the fiery redness of his hair, his SKIN is actually red.

Mr. Redskin is Ethan Albright.

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Why does this blog have an advert featuring Matt Hasslebeck?

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 3:24 PM

Because the Washington Post does not know if its in Washington DC or Washington State.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Why does this blog have an advert featuring Matt Hasslebeck?

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 3:24 PM

Waaaaaaaaait just a second! Advert is a British word. This WHOLE TIME I've had Redcoat pegged as the not guy because of the superfluous "u" that notguy puts in words like colour. I now have a new suspect ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor for tragedy.

Posted by: Corkczar | May 22, 2008 3:19 PM

I suppose so, but you should include the reason we all loved him in the first place.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

albright in DC since 2001

Posted by: fact corrector | May 22, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Just waiting for the day when they block my access to this blog....

Posted by: dlhaze | May 22, 2008 3:20 PM

... and that would improve your productivity how?

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

fact corrector ... I stand fact corrected. I misread the bit about how he started v. how he started with the Skins.

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=2288

Still, he's mighty red.

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Jansen in 1999
Samuels in 2000
Albright in 2001

Who else comes close to those timeframes? Seemed like Prioleau was here forever, but he's hasta sayonara now ... who else am I forgetting?

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Well then, that begs the question: what should Ethan Albright's nickname be?

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

You mean The Red Snapper? Think he has one.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Red Snapper

Posted by: [cc] | May 22, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

See, Alex35332 knows...

Posted by: [cc] | May 22, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

oof that's right...I *have* been away from this blog too long.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Waaaaaaaaait just a second! Advert is a British word. This WHOLE TIME I've had Redcoat pegged as the not guy because of the superfluous "u" that notguy puts in words like colour. I now have a new suspect ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 3:28 PM

Superfluous is a word with superfluous "u's". The dcsween blogger has implicated himself.

Posted by: Not not guy | May 22, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Sween, you realize I use advert because I'm not sure how to spell the larger word and I'm too lazy too look it up ... not because I'm a Brit. That part about being 'too lazy' proves I'm a Yank

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Who needs a nickname when you are Mr. Redskin?

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Superfluous is a word with superfluous "u's". The dcsween blogger has implicated himself.

Posted by: Not not guy | May 22, 2008 3:44 PM

I hauve nou ideua whaut you'ure taulking abuout.

Posted by: dcsweeun | May 22, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Sween, you realize I use advert because I'm not sure how to spell the larger word and I'm too lazy too look it up

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 3:45 PM

What, you mean ad?

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Dumb question but didn't the Not Guy say who he is?

Posted by: Not Not Guy | May 22, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Was gonna spell the whole word, got halfway and realized I didn't know the rest. Then was too lazy to hit the delete key.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

NOT!

Posted by: Hizzle | May 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Just waiting for the day when they block my access to this blog....

Posted by: dlhaze | May 22, 2008 3:20 PM

... and that would improve your productivity how?

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2008 3:31 PM

That's what I will ask the powers that be if it happens....how will me running home every half hour to check the blog make me do my job better? They would be crazy to think I would work harder.

Posted by: dlhaze | May 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

haha fair enough Al, Zeke, etc.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Mr Redskins All-Time?
Sonny.
He has been with this team since 1964(?). Nearly 50 years.
rando -- was Sonny a franchise QB? Of course. HOF
Lombardi once told a couple of his former Packer players that if the Packers had Sonny, they would have never lost.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 2:34 PM

AZe, I can't argue with Sonny J, he is one of my favorite redskins. But, he was originally an eagle. I'm not sure how many productive seasons he had in Philly compared to Washington. I do know, he should have started over Billy Kilmer, especially in the '72 SuperBowl. The only thing I really hated about George Allen, he started Billy over Sonny. I love Sonny Jurgenson, got his autograph in 1968 or so. I don't collect autographs, he is one of two/three I have. (Charlie Taylor and Raymond Floyd,pga)

I guess if you add the work Sonny and Sam do on the radio, both could be considered. I would never diss either.

My humble apoligies, but I don't think Sonny was a franchise qb. (and I've been wrong before)

Posted by: rando | May 22, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The last franchise QB the Skins had was Sammy Baugh. Funny how we have that in common with the Bears (Sid Luckman).

Besides Sammy was also our franchise punter. And he shot up Nazis in a movie. As Alex says, something everyone can love!

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but wasn't Sonny injured and unable to play in that Super Bowl? Or am I cornfused?

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 22, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Now shooting Nazi Cowboys. that would be even cooler. I can see it now "Beltway Bob vs the Nazi Cowboys" In technocolor.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Nazi Cowboys.

Brilliant!

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Sonny was still injured for the '72 SB.

George Allen had no clue on how much better Sonny was, but Sonny did get hurt pretty much every year while George was there. Overall, SJ9 was here for 11 years.

In '72, Sonny played his best, He started the 4th game of the year and was 7 of 17 with 3 INTs in the first half vs Philly. Call it 30 minutes of rust removal. After that, he was unreal. He led the Skins over Philly that day and the Skins won every game he started. Excluding the awful half at Philly, he was 32 of 42 for roughly 500 yards with 2 TDs, 1 pick (yeah, thats 12 yards per pass ATTEMPT!!) -- including a brilliant come from behind win (down 20-7 to win 24-20) versus Dallas :) Then he stepped into a drain hole playing at the Giants, torn Achilles, season over.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Call Sci-Fi channel that is a multi million dolor idea for a b-movie.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The Pro football stats page alex linked to is absolutely the best for stats.

If you want to see individual game logs, nfl.com goes back further, but its tricky to get to.

You go to nfl.com, and they have a history link near the bottom. Click on it. Then select the stats link near the side. Then you need to find a year in which the person you are looking for was one of the league leaders (ie 1968 regular season). Which takes you to the leaders and you click on Sonny and it gives his stats and a link to game logs. Not easy to do!!!

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I gave up on NFL.com to fuzzy

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

So which modern day Redskins player plays Beltway Bob?

I vote for Mike Sellers and his pharoah chin beard.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I think I am the biggest loser on this blog. Roughly 15% of the posts in this article are mine.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

My favorite Sonny stat line came vs SF. Kilmer started and led the Skins down field, but got dinged up with the Skins at the 18. So Kilmer has to go to the bench for a play. Sonny comes in for one play, tosses a TD. For the day, 1 play, 1 TD pass.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

they all get cameos. Because my vision is to have time travel involved things can get crazy. Think, wolfinstine meets back to the future meet wild wild west.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Redskirt, 11 years on the field (and 30 more off it) makes Sonny a franchise QB

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see Indiana Jones destroy the Dallas Cowboys

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Dumb question but didn't the Not Guy say who he is?

Posted by: Not Not Guy | May 22, 2008 4:00 PM

No, the NotGuy PROMISED to reveal his identity if certain conditions were met. (Redskins make the 2007 playoffs?) The conditions were met, and NotGuy failed to reveal the secret. He stayed quiet about it and let it slide into oblivion, thereby maintaining his anonymity. (Yes, really, and I can spell advertisement also.)

I can tell you one thing for sure - the NotGuy is NOT me.

Posted by: Mystery Regular | May 22, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Scratch "Mystery Regular" off the list of suspects.

Posted by: not Sherlock Holmes | May 22, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to know who it is because he mess with everybody

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Hm, well I'm certainly no expert, so I'd be interested in hearing a consensus on that, Al, Zeke etc.

It does make me wonder if there are any other franchise QBs in NFL history who shared so much playing time with another QB on the same team. It does sound like it was an interesting time to be a fan.

I heard a story about a time when Sonny and Billy were driving on the beltway and they passed a car that had a "I like Billy" bumper sticker on it. If I remember right, Sonny and Billy pulled up alongside the car and laughed with the fan.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

they all get cameos. Because my vision is to have time travel involved things can get crazy. Think, wolfinstine meets back to the future meet wild wild west.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 4:44 PM

You, sir, should be in Hollywood.

Posted by: redskirt | May 22, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

uh, hullo.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Thats my failed dream there. Though being in Hollytown, I do hate LA.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

does everybody have a life or something

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Not even sure what 'franchise QB' means, but playing 11 seasons and going into the Hall and throwing to the guy who became the #1 all time receiver -- that seems like a franchise guy to me. Then staying with the team/area for another 30 years. Plus he has his own line of cigars.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 22, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Dont forget, he was one of the few people in the world who could ever give Sam Huff, Sh**

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Man U wins on penalties.

Ronaldo misses then Terry misses.

hope you read this, hack.

Posted by: results | May 22, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I hope this old beauty gets ripped out-

"Do you, Christy, take Captain Chaos to be your Husband"

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Man U wins on penalties.

Ronaldo misses then Terry misses.

hope you read this, hack.

Posted by: results | May 22, 2008 7:50 PM

The Grinch returns the presents. Bruce Willis is already dead!

Posted by: SMACK | May 22, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Our boy Rooster Ross Tucker kickin up trouble:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3408450

Posted by: chris Larry | May 22, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

screw cL

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

If you know the history of Boston they have been cheating since the revolution. They wore discuss to do the boston tea party. Instead of fighting the proper way against the british and standing in a straight line, they hid on a hill and fired lying down. This is a city that has not had anything important happen in it since the late 1700's.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The Grinch returns the presents. Bruce Willis is already dead!

Posted by: SMACK | May 22, 2008 8:42 PM

Kevin Spacey is actually the dude with the funny name I can't remember.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

wow your redundant anon.....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 22, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Add Greg Manusky to Redskins Greats!!!! He was the maniac that was the "Wedge Buster" full time and part time LB'er!!! Plus, he had a cool "Fu Man Chu"

Give two 3rd Rd'ers for Jason Taylor!!! Make it happen! He's got 3 solid yrs left in him!!!

Posted by: CLEGG | May 22, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Mr Redskins Votes

Cooley- iii
Rock Cartwright- i
Ethan Albright - ii
Chris Samuels - iii
Jon Jansen - ii
Mike Sellers- iii

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 22, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

where are the usual salad tossers?

Posted by: LD | May 22, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

35332,

Come on man!!! Manusky was a beast!

Posted by: CLEGG | May 22, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

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