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DeAngelo Hall came into the league just a few years ago as a highly touted cornerback out of Virginia Tech. Yet he finds himself on his third NFL team in the past year. He has talent. But clearly, his attitude could use an adjustment.

By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  November 7, 2008; 6:05 PM ET
 
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First!

Posted by: realchica | November 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

poop on first.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 7, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

For those who probably know: some buddy at work is trying to sell skins vs. dallas tickets, 4 for $425 including parking pass, they are in the 400 level.......too much or good deal?

Posted by: realchica | November 7, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"He has talent. But clearly, his attitude could use an adjustment."

Jason com'on now, Chump Bailey was a premadonna also.

You can say that about most of the guys in the NFL. Besides that among which, the Pats, Steelers, and like half the teams in the League can't be wrong and were trying to land him right?

The best part is if it works out you don't have to give up a draft choice that they sorely need for linemen in next years draft.

He's also only 24 years old.

I don't see anything bad about signing the guy. I hope it works out because Springs won't be back next year and they have nobody beyond Rogers that can cover anyone.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 7, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

his attitude better not hurt the team...

Posted by: rachel216 | November 7, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

According to Lavar Arrington, Hall is a good guy. Lavar said he knows him personally and that he is not a bad locker room guy and will not cause any problems.

Carlos Rogers, however, seems puzzled as to how all the DBs will be used now....

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers, however, seems puzzled as to how all the DBs will be used now....

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 7, 2008 6:34 PM

Catching footballs seems to puzzle the guy too.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 7, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Ummm has someone forgotten that Smoot was captain of the Love Boat? Or that for much of his career the media portrayed Sean Taylor as a thug and a malcontent, constantly whining about his decision to workout in the off season with fellow Miami alumni.

Hall would immediately lead the secondary in every category.

Posted by: tkoho | November 7, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn et al are ready to give up on Kelly yet. Zorn knows that Kelly can provide a desperately needed weapon (red zone fade/jump ball/back of the endzone at the goal post/posession guy) if they can get and keep him on the field.

I figure it will be Green who is released for many of the reasons you alluded to: He is older, he was sitting around before Redskins gave him the call, and he should be available if you need to regrab him later.

With Springs being able to go at CB/S, that brings flexibility to the secondary...further alleviating any down side to releasing Green.

Redskins are definitely looking to get younger and faster...releasing young fast guys would not be in accordance with that modus. Green is outta here.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Want to expound a bit re Hall: I don't think his "attitude" will be a problem in the locker room. A cancer has to have susceptible cells around it to be affected. I think the Redskins locker room is full of "bad attitude antibodies" that will QUICKLY get young Mr. Hall back in line should he step out. At worst, you drop his ass if he starts acting like a punk. Redskins have nothing to lose, Hall is the one who has everytihg to lose(and everything to gain as well) if he acts up. I don't see it as an issue... i think the team may affect Hall more than Hall could/would affect the team.

I see upside here and virtually no downside: Punt returner, and young guy who may possibly become a 5+ year starter. No cap issues. No lost draft picks. A guy who has everything to gain by coming in and being a model citizen on a contending team with a metric ass ton of veteran leadership.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 7, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm optimistic. He won't have to play bump and run as much in D.C. as he did in Oakland. He'll be allowed to ball hawk like he did in Atlanta.

He is young, talented but may have been playing outside of his wheelhouse in Oaktown. This may end up being quite a steal for the rest of the year.

But what happens when the contract is up? Springs may not be back. I hope Hall contributes enough to come back.

Posted by: stevenyoung | November 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Re the link I posted on the previous thread, Zorn, Blache, and Jerry Gray all spoke with Hall prior to signing him.....London Fletcher and Cornelius Griffin (defensive team captains) were consulted as well.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Judge not, lest yee be judged.

(Remember all the wild cr@p people were saying about Sean Taylor?)

Hall wants a fresh start. Here it is.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 7, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Hall can help bring up Tryon.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 7, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Stumped_1 thank you very much about that reminder. I have to admit to being wrong and will give Hall a chance. Long live the Reaper.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 7, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I know some of you might hate this but this is really cool.

http://obama2008.s3.amazonaws.com/headlines.html

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"Catching footballs seems to puzzle the guy too."

Exactly. :)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

It cost the Skins what? Only $492,000 for this guy?

Seems like a good deal to me. If he doesn't work out, he won't be back next year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 7, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

It cost the Skins what? Only $492,000 for this guy?

Seems like a good deal to me. If he doesn't work out, he won't be back next year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 7, 2008 7:07 PM |

Agree, and they didn't give up any draft picks either. Must be a first.

Posted by: JinxMan | November 7, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

i hope the 6 captains greet him at the front door and tell him hello, now just shut up and play!

Posted by: bestmick1 | November 7, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

ok, I went to Va Tech, and he was a great player. He was also a punk. What do they say about Zebras & their stripes? Well, that's played out in both Atlanta & Oakland. He's still a punk. Add to that horrible on the field (burned 40+ times for almost 600 yds in 8 games this yr putting him among bottom 3 corners in entire league). So for those supporters, ask yourself again after he gets burned w/ skins uniform on

Posted by: accchamphokies | November 7, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Another big name free agent signing that will turn out to be a flop. The dancing fool from Miami, fill in the blanks with the others. When is Snyder going to learn?

Posted by: MKadyman | November 7, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

The Washington (deadskins) always want to go out and pick-up a bunch of "has beens"... I mean really, take note from the NY GIANTS... "WE" draft and build on "OUR" draft picks...

Posted by: mrblkamerika | November 7, 2008 7:01 PM

Right...your secondary starts some of the most washed up "has-beens" in football: Sammy Knight and Sam Madison. Plus you signed one of the "has-beens" that we cut, Renaldo Wynn. But don't worry...we'll be handing you your taint come November 30 in the name of Sean Taylor!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

The math is simple:

Randy Moss
Oak- 42 rec, 553 yards, 3 Td's
NE-- 98 rec, 1,493 yeards, 23 TD's

Players don't want to play in Oak. Hall was an all-pro in Atlanta. The Redskins got him for less than $500k. I don't want to hear about chemistry. In case you haven't noticed, the Redskins have been on a downward spiral since the Eagles game. We can't afford not to sign a good player. We have to play the Cowboys, Giants, & Eagles. We are going to need all the help we can get to win 2 out of 3 of those games. If we don't, we might not make the playoffs. I want see players that can make plays and help the Redskins win games and make the playoffs.

Posted by: cspwoods3 | November 7, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Really, I don't see how this is a bad move. No picks, little money, little risk involved.

That puts our CB corps with: Springs, Rogers, Hall, Smoot, and Torrence. With Hall jumping to punt returns-- this seems like a wise investment. If he stinks, cut him. If he's awesome, sign him to an extension. Now we can look to filling another need in the first round of next year's draft (I was thinking CB for sure to account for Springs' being hurt all the time). Now what-- LB, OL, DL? Sounds good to me.

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 7, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

JM,
it is really really cool...so cool.
What Hall does, is up to Hall; but nov4 we got it right.
hail.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Hall has half as many picks as the entire Skins D (3-6) and more than all of the Skins corners combined (3-2).

Posted by: learnedhand1 | November 7, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Bulletin for those complaining about the Hall signing: GET A GRIP.

This move costs the Skins under $500k, NO draft picks (which makes it great in light of the return on the Jason Taylor trade), and it's only a one year deal. So worst case scenario is this guys sucks, has a poor attitude and ends up on the street in March on his last chance (if that). Costs us NOTHING. Best case scenario: he returns to his Pro-Bowl form and makes one hell of a tandem with Rogers for years to come. With reward like that, it's MORE than worth the risk.

As for the "locker room cancer" talk: the guy was one of many veterans fed up with the B.S. from Bobby Petrino and it manifested itself in a game ONCE. I'm pretty sure Warrick Dunn was pretty vocal about his displeasure with Petrino last year, and he's one of the classiest guys in football. Doesn't make him a cancer. And ANYONE who does poorly in Oakland gets a pass. Hell, if Norv Turner gets another chance after Oakland, so should Hall.

Word is the FO checked with some of the key vets on defense and they all gave the green light. If Hall was as toxic as some up here are making him sound, there's no way stand up guys like Fletcher and Springs vouch for him.

And let's not forget Hall is a local kid who grew up rooting for the Skins. That usually keeps a man motivated when he's got a chance to stay home and play the game he loves.

So take it for what it is: a tryout for Hall to prove he's a Pro-Bowler and one of the good guys. I look forward to him proving just that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

He's a washed up corner. Some of you may live in the past. At 24, he's staring life without football right in the eyes. If he was any good, Oakland wouldn't have let him go on the cheap. And cheap? Nothing.

Posted by: kl3cb | November 7, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Well put Brownwood! This is a no brainer, so I can't figure out why some don't get it.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

This is a great move for our Redskins. Here are the reasons:

-- We need a punt returner and depth in the secondary. Hall fills those needs.
-- We are getting Hall for virtually nothing (in the NFL world).
-- We gave up no draft picks, and he didn't receive a long-term contract or a ridiculous signing bonus. There's a huge difference between signing a young player who still has a lot to prove and signing guys like Prime Time, Bruce Smith and Mark Carrier. They were broken-down veterans who were sniffing around for a final payday. They had virtually nothing left. The same can't be said of Hall. He has plenty left.
-- The Raiders are a mess, and Hall is coming to a contender. That's bound to help. It's nothing but chaos in Oakland.
-- The Redskins have a strong, veteran-laden locker room. This team has dealt with the murder of Sean Taylor. Do you think Hall is going to phase the veteran Redskins? No. In fact, Hall could start to mature in D.C.
-- Hall doesn't have to be the main man in Washington. He just has to fit in and play a role. No pressure.
-- Hall is playing for his NFL future. I think he'll be highly motivated.
-- The guy has talent.
-- This move keeps him from helping the Cowboys.

Snyder, Cerrato and Co. have made many bad moves over the years. Acquiring Hall is not a bad move. It's a risk, but it's a risk worth taking.

A team should never stop trying to get better. Snyder, Cerrato and Co. didn't break the bank or give away the farm to sign Hall.

It's the kind of move that gets a team to the playoffs. And beyond.

Posted by: gaspeny | November 7, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

He's a washed up corner. Some of you may live in the past. At 24, he's staring life without football right in the eyes. If he was any good, Oakland wouldn't have let him go on the cheap. And cheap? Nothing.

Posted by: kl3cb | November 7, 2008 8:48 PM

I clicked "report abuse" on this remark. Are you new? Did you watch the transformation of Randy Moss last year? You sleep on how crazy Al Davis is! This kid has 3 picks! More than anyone else on our team at CB! And yes, he was torched a few times, but I don't see anyone breaking down enough film here to say the safeties aren't at fault for some of those plays.

Bottom line is this: NOBODY stays happy in Oakland for long. And that affects your productivity. Apply it to real life; if you're working a job you enjoy in a location you love, won't you perform better than if you're working a job with lousy colleagues and management in a city 3,000 miles from home? Plus this is his last chance; if it doesn't work here it's likely his last stop in the NFL. He'll make it work because he has to.

And is no one checking the depth chart? We're not asking the guy to start our next game (a la idiot Cowboys with Roy Williams). He's here to return punts and play nickel. If he proves he can do more, that's gravy. But he's being asked to be a role player and he's being paid like one. Where's the problem?

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Well put Brownwood! This is a no brainer, so I can't figure out why some don't get it.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2008 8:56 PM

I could understand if we're 3-6 and folks are frustrated. I could get that...but at 6-3 we're one of the best teams (record-wise) in the league with a pretty favorable schedule down the stretch. Bolstering depth at a couple of trouble areas (punt return/DB) in one fell swoop is a good thing, regardless of the name on the back of the jersey. I'm baffled as to how this isn't good...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

You said it best, Gaspeny. I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say that this move makes the Skins a Super Bowl contender, but I will say that in all honesty, I don't even know that this move is a risk. It's a high reward situation if he blossoms, but if he fails we lost virtually nothing. Which is why I don't get why some are so fired up about how bad a move this is supposed to be.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

By the way, just checked my fantasy league and a buddy of mine benched Cutler for McNabb this week. I'm still laughing my a$$ off!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

And this move also allows for Springs playing safety if needed due to injury!

I've read all these comments regarding the Hall signing and don't get how everyone in not pumped.

Also, I have not heard of any off field trouble that Hall has been involved in.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

As one of the few who don't see it the same way ...I'll just say that this organization spent a lot of time and $$ paying guys to come here, without much concern for character. That changed under Gibbs ... probably the best thing Gibbs did while here. He left a team with character and talent.

To me, this signing is a bit like a recovering alcoholic taking one drink. Whether Hall pans out or not, I don't like this move ... it feels a lot more Jerry Jones and a lot less Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

And this move also allows for Springs playing safety if needed due to injury!

I've read all these comments regarding the Hall signing and don't get how everyone in not pumped.

Also, I have not heard of any off field trouble that Hall has been involved in.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse
Exactly. You can talk about a win/win situation. This is a win/win/win situation. There is no down-side to this. He brings pro-bowl credentials, is 24(soon to be 25) and can return punts. WOW! And we didn't give up a first or second round draft choice. Sounds like a WIN/WIN/WIN/WIN choice!

Posted by: frediefritz | November 7, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

cut Tyron or James and sign Nix. He would be an imediate upgrade over Thomas who appears too dumb to run a 9 route (streak). This guy maybe 6'3" and run a 4.3 40 but he is a Zero when it comes to football IQ.

Posted by: jwcallahan9 | November 7, 2008 7:44 PM |

Help me with this. What has Mix done that makes you think he would be an upgrade? Where is all the Anthony Mix love coming from? Yeah, he's great on special teams, and that counts for something, but he's never caught a pass in a regular season game for the 'Skins. Even Malcolm Kelly has better numbers than Mix.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 7, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

I think the bad rap he has stems from 1) the epic meltdown that resulted in 70 yards of penalties in the Carolina game last year, and 2) the fact that he was tight with Mike Vick. He's not nearly as risky as guys like T.O. or Pacman.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

As one of the few who don't see it the same way ...I'll just say that this organization spent a lot of time and $$ paying guys to come here, without much concern for character. That changed under Gibbs ... probably the best thing Gibbs did while here. He left a team with character and talent.

To me, this signing is a bit like a recovering alcoholic taking one drink. Whether Hall pans out or not, I don't like this move ... it feels a lot more Jerry Jones and a lot less Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse
I hear your concern, Zeke. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I think this guy is a stud, and will cause no problems. I could be wrong. But I feel good about this move.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I hear your concern, Zeke. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I think this guy is a stud, and will cause no problems. I could be wrong. But I feel good about this move.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse
And for the record, I was opposed to signing Ocho Sicko, and I was opposed to trading for Jason Taylor.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 7, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

To me, this signing is a bit like a recovering alcoholic taking one drink. Whether Hall pans out or not, I don't like this move ... it feels a lot more Jerry Jones and a lot less Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 9:18 PM

Not a fair comparison. This signing in NO WAY looks like anything done with the Fortune 500 team of 2000 or the overspending of 2003 or 2006. And to my knowledge, this guy has never been arrested or sent home for disciplinary reasons. I think he's just had the misfortune of being associated with the most disfunctional franchises in the last years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I think S Alexander should be cut, Betts will be fine for the 'Boys.

And, I already posted this many times today (and wrote it elsewhere), this is a "nothing to lost" situation for the Skins. None of his money is guaranteed so if there is anything he does, or doesn't do, that the Skins don't like, they can cut him on the spot. He can return punts, adds depth at corner, veterans in the locker room, Zorn will rip him if he gets out of line(right after Blache is done with him), Zorn has already shown he's not taking crap from anybody(if he's willing to rip into Portis, he'll rip into HaLL).

What's the problem?

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

He's a washed up corner. Some of you may live in the past. At 24, he's staring life without football right in the eyes. If he was any good, Oakland wouldn't have let him go on the cheap. And cheap? Nothing.

Posted by: kl3cb

Look Oak is my second team. Al Davis that's all needs to be said about him being let go.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 7, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Not a fair comparison. This signing in NO WAY looks like anything done with the Fortune 500 team of 2000 or the overspending of 2003 or 2006. And to my knowledge, this guy has never been arrested or sent home for disciplinary reasons. I think he's just had the misfortune of being associated with the most disfunctional franchises in the last years.

Posted by: brownwood26

Additionally the coaches spoke with Hall and got input from fletch and griff, so it's not like vinny just signed the guy because he and danny wanted him. I do not think they would have brought him in if they thought he would be a problem.

I also think that Zorn is similar to Gibbs as far as character goes and certainly in his beliefs, so agree the comparison is not a fair comparison.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

When folks first floated the idea of Deangelo coming here, I totally poopooed it and ripped the idea.

HOWEVA (think Stephen A. Smith), I've really warmed up to it.

1)We signed him at a pretty nice cut rate ($492,000).

2) He will definitely upgrade our secondary

3) I don't see Zorn, Blache, Fletcher, Daniels, Griffin, and Washington let this guy throw his punk attitude around without getting beat up. Unlike in Atlanta I think we have the kind of respectable coaching and veteran leadership to keep him in line.

4) With the short contract, he knows he's auditioning for his next move and has every incentive to play well, be on his best behavior, and show he's not a team cancer.

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

5) He grew up a Skins fan and has the sentimental attachment to the franchise that you look for in a player.

6) He's the answer to our punt-return issues.

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

For those saying that being cut by the Raiders is a bad thing, here is an article from Charles Woodson regarding the Raiders situation:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/11/deangelo-finds.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

What's funny to me is that the same people who are criticizing the Hall signing are the same ones comfortably hugging Chris Horton's jock. Both guys are playmakers with similar stats this year and both have been victimized on big plays. The only difference is that Hall had expectations and a big contract. If this works out as planned, we could have a solid starting secondary for a long time to come...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

If this works out as planned, we could have a solid starting secondary for a long time to come...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 9:50 PM |

And, if it doesn't work out, we're no worse off than we were before we signed the guy. What's not to love about this development? It seems too good to be true.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 7, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

couple points. If I was GM, I might consider going to guys like Griffin and Fletcher for buy-in, but neither has been a teammate of Hall. Zorn and Blache have never coached this guy -- and I don't think anyone on the staff has. So there is a limit to what they anyone at Redskins Park knows about Hall.

As for Al Davis, I don't put much weight into what he does. His brain only works intermittently. But I do think CB is probably an easier position to figure out if the guy is good or not.

I'll stand by my concerns. I don't think this is a good move. I'll be happy to be wrong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't seen if anybody else had posted this yet:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/07/hall-chose-redskins-over-steelers-patriots/

And here is the full "text" interview from Sirius Radio I had posted in the other thread:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/07/hall-came-home-to-join-the-skins-for-the-long-haul/

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Here's the extent of Hall's off field problems (at least on Wikipedia):

Hall was not cited after his pit bulls attacked a Lawrenceville, Georgia man while the man was walking his dogs. The attack happened after Hall left the dogs with his brother, Tyrone Hall, a former Chicago Bears back-up fullback. The victim and his dog were treated for injuries and released.[6]

In the Falcons 2007 game against the New Orleans Saints, Hall showed his support for fellow Falcon Michael Vick by carrying a poster of Vick onto the field with him, and also wearing "MV7" written on the shade under his eyes. Earlier that day, Vick, who was also a Virginia Tech teammate of Hall's, was sentenced to 23 months in prison on dogfighting charges. [7] Hall was fined $10,000 by the league for his actions.
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Did I mention dude ran a 4.15 40 yard dash at VT? A 4.15!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

If I was GM, I might consider going to guys like Griffin and Fletcher for buy-in, but neither has been a teammate of Hall. Zorn and Blache have never coached this guy -- and I don't think anyone on the staff has. So there is a limit to what they anyone at Redskins Park knows about Hall.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 9:56 PM

This is the NFL. If you look at the veteran leaders on the Redskins (Fletcher, Griff, Springs, Washington), they've all played elsewhere. This isn't Pittsburgh or New England where the coaches and players have all been together for several years. I haven't done any extensive research, but I'm sure that Hall has played with a number of guys who have played with some of our defensive vets in the past (in the pros and/or college). Word of mouth travels in this league, and if Hall is a turd that no one likes it would have reached Redskins Park before he signed on the dotted line, regardless of whether he's played here before or not.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

couple points. If I was GM, I might consider going to guys like Griffin and Fletcher for buy-in, but neither has been a teammate of Hall. Zorn and Blache have never coached this guy -- and I don't think anyone on the staff has. So there is a limit to what they anyone at Redskins Park knows about Hall.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 9:56 PM |

'Skins were in the hunt for Hall last summer when the Falcons traded him to Oakland. They compiled a pretty extensive dossier on the guy before they decided to go after him.

NFL is a pretty small collection of people. Smaller than the senior class at many universities. These guys all know about each other. If Hall were radioactive, 'Skins players and coaches would know about it.

I still can't see any downside to this move, and I can see lots of upside.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 7, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

brownwood, Hall was in ATL until this year. Don't think anyone on our roster was there in the past couple years. Only TJ Duckett came from ATL that I recall, and he moved on ... dragging a couple of draft picks with him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The math is simple:

Randy Moss
Oak- 42 rec, 553 yards, 3 Td's
NE-- 98 rec, 1,493 yeards, 23 TD's
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Uh, yea...it's not about math there- he had a guy named Tom Brady throwing him the ball. I hear u on not wanting to play in Oakland, but it's not that simple. Moss is also one of the best WR's of his generation if not the best. Kinda seems like apples to oragnes here. Maybe apples to pomegranates. Hope he's grows up, it could be a great signing if so...if not, it was low risk

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 7, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

brownwood, Hall was in ATL until this year. Don't think anyone on our roster was there in the past couple years. Only TJ Duckett came from ATL that I recall, and he moved on ... dragging a couple of draft picks with him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 10:20 PM

You missed my point...just because none of our vets played in Atlanta, doesn't mean they don't know people who did or played with some of those guys elsewhere. For example, Chris Samuels could have given the Skins a pretty good snapshot of Shaun Alexander before he was signed. They didn't play together in Seattle, but they were teammates in college (Alabama). Marcus Washington went to high school with Osi Umenyiora. Don't you think Marcus gave him a heads up on what to expect from LaVar when he signed with the Giants? The NFL is a fraternity. Just about all these guys know each other in one way or another.

I doubt that anyone in the NFL is reclusive enough that NOBODY in the league could give a pretty good characterization of him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 7, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

where was the BOTH button?

Posted by: mdrockjock | November 7, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

The Skins problem is not pass coverage. IT IS THE PASS RUSH or lack thereof.

Posted by: JeanJak | November 7, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

In my crystal ball, I see this signing being equivalent to when Daryl Gardiner was signed. The Hall signing will end in the same way as well.

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | November 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

This was a very smart move,

2 time pro bowl player.
24 years old.
To finish out the year for 492,000

This kid has never played for a top notch team like the Redskins.
Its always been crap teams like, Atlanta & Oakland.

He will be fine, the vets will keep an eye on him.

My 1st prediction for D-Hall is:
He will pick one off, against the Cow-pies.

GO SKINS

Posted by: dashriprock | November 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Thank God ARE can stop returning punts for 2 yards at a time.

Posted by: 3rings | November 7, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Still don't really know enough about this guy to have a strong feeling one way or another, but if the only thing I see him do for the rest of the year is a decent stab at returning punts, then I can't see much downside. If he has any real DB skills, you gotta figure that the coaching staff will bring it out.
Unless they teach him the Carlos Method for interception.

Posted by: daggar | November 8, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

+++Maybe Hall can help bring up Tryon.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 +++


Ys and then he can solve the world wide economic crisis and cure cancer and find world Peace and....

Posted by: TheCork | November 8, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse


Really, I don't see how this is a bad move. No picks, little money, little risk involved.--TDawg

I'l tell you how. It becomes a bad move when he gets spun in circle by DeSean Jackson or left in the dust by TO.

Posted by: TheCork | November 8, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

+++Not a fair comparison. This signing in NO WAY looks like anything done with the Fortune 500 team of 2000 or the overspending of 2003 or 2006.

Posted by: brownwood26 +++


You're right. He's more like the signing of Erasmus James.

Posted by: TheCork | November 8, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

yeah I'm more excited about him returning punts than covering people

Posted by: dealer1 | November 8, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

it would be pretty cool if he could become #2 corner opposite cr or ss

Posted by: dealer1 | November 8, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Like S. Alexander, we get a former pro-bowler at a position where we need depth. In this case, he kinda fell into our laps, so any production is icing on the cake.

Posted by: scheermadness | November 8, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Just can't see how this can be a risk, given the need we have at PR and subbing Springs - if he starts d***ing around, do any of you think the likes of Zorn, Blache, Fletcher etc don't crush him like an ant in the blink of an eye?

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | November 8, 2008 4:50 AM | Report abuse

Mikey - madeira? I'm all ears...uh, eyes

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

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mmm, madeira - like a cross between sweet sherry and port, less killer hangovers than the latter, tastier than sherry. give it a try...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | November 8, 2008 5:03 AM | Report abuse

I'l tell you how. It becomes a bad move when he gets spun in circle by DeSean Jackson or left in the dust by TO.

Posted by: TheCork | November 8, 2008 1:18 AM

Good thinking Cork. I know that Torrence and Tryon would never let that happen to them. You've been up here hating on those two since Labor Day. Now we get an upgrade -- a former Pro Bowler -- and you're hating on him?

Does it become a good move when he takes a pick off Romo or McNabb?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 8, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse


This signing can't be bad since we lose nothing in terms of picks or cap money. We already have several non performers on the roster who we would not really miss (Tryon, Kelly) since they don't show up on the field. At worst case it is putting one more healthy body out there on Sundays.
We are constantly thin at DB because Smoot and Springs are injured most of the time. Now, is there a pass rushing lineman that can fall into our laps?

Posted by: driley | November 8, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

We HAVE a punt returner!

Cut Tryon, wait till he clears waivers, cut Westbrook from the practice squad, re-sign Tryon to practice squad. [Richardson has more upside at CB than Westbrook and Westbrook SHOULD have been the other choice to return punts, but seems like the coaching staff didn't see that happening).

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Now let's get us a special teams TD!

Posted by: dcsween | November 8, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Also, putting Kelly to the IR still means they need a WR. Kelly wasn't that good at CB or PR either.

Posted by: dcsween | November 8, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I just don't understand how some of you are so negative about everything. If everything the team does is wrong. Why be a fan?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 8, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

They need to cut Green. If they need to bring him back I am sure he still will be there. If Kelly knee continues to act up put him on IR and then go pick up a WR.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 8, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

cut Westbrook from the practice squad,

Posted by: dcsween | November 8, 2008 7:29 AM |

sween,

Cut Westbrook now? Shirley, you jest. Westbrook has served one function: to play his brother on the scout team when we play Philly. If we cut him now, who will do this? Tryon?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 8, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone see Hall as a punt returner? In five seasons in the league -- 65 game -- he's returned a total of 13 punts.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 8, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

i agree cut s alexander he is not worth the paycheck he is being paid. good decision on the hall deal. springs is pretty much done. he will most likely be gone next year unless he can not get a deal from another team. hall can share time at return unless he does well there then leave him there.

Posted by: rls1041 | November 8, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

It's a good move for all the reasons listed, and because Dallas desperately needs help in the secondary.

Now they can't get Hall.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S SNIPPETS...

1) D'Angelo Hall was a good pickup: Didn't cost us picks, easy on the cap, the dude can play and CATCH the ball, he's 24, from the area...

2) I would not put Kelly on IR if you think he can help you down the stretch. I would only IR him if he absolutely can't medically play.

3) I'm worried about Moss' hammie! This seems to be a recurring thing every year. We cannot win without Moss.

4) Throw the ball to Devin Thomas. This was your first pick....USE HIM DAMMIT!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I wish we had Anquon Boldin.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 8, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I think they will keep Green. Despite Horton's play he's still a rookie. They have one good (young) safety and more of a platoon situation. Green looked better than Doughty in the last game.

If Hall steps in right away at Punt Returner our top 2 WR don't risk getting hit by a Mack truck and can also focus on perfecting Zorn's offense.

Posted by: chavez66 | November 8, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone see Hall as a punt returner? In five seasons in the league -- 65 game -- he's returned a total of 13 punts.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 8, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Cuz he was one heck of a punt returner in college, he has speed, quickness, and he's cheaper than ARE. Mora said over and over in ATL that "Hall was too valuable to be full time PR" but wanted him back there, well, NOT TO US. So why not?

Posted by: craig2 | November 8, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see this link anywhere in this thread, here is a pretty good breakdown of Hall's acquisition, and another opinion on why he had issues in Oakland, and why it might change here:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/bucky_brooks/11/07/buzz/

Posted by: craig2 | November 8, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Initial thoughts - worried. Malcontent, played poorly this season, not a lineman of any description, convinced DS and VC had made history by being the first NFL FO to offer a high draft pick for a waived player.

Now? Minimal risk contract, Virginia native, some punt return experience, talented CB who doesn't have pressure to be the no. 1 cover guy, senior players consulted on move, depth added to secondary and a bye week to prepare new acquisition for the C*wb*ys (who would've signed him, had they got the chance).

Overall? Happy. Zorn can put an arm around him and Cornelius can put one round his neck (depending on what's required), this is a low-risk, high-dividend move. He will get a pick next week, I feel it in my water.

Now, who in the FO do I have to blow to get some OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE LINEMEN in next year's draft???

Posted by: stevebeagrie | November 8, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

4) Throw the ball to Devin Thomas. This was your first pick....USE HIM DAMMIT!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse
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My impression is they'd like to do that, but in the Redskins system, it's not a matter of running around the field until you get open and then yelling, "I'm open, J.C.!"

You've got to be in a certain place at a particular time.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 8, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Cuz he was one heck of a punt returner in college, he has speed, quickness, and he's cheaper than ARE.

Posted by: craig2 | November 8, 2008 8:57 AM |

This also describes Tryon. Thanks for posting the Bucky Brooks link. That's encouraging.

I hadn't thought about the Mora connection. I wonder if Vinny or Zorn called Mora before they made the transaction?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 8, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

If he can't cover, his downside will be giving JC a false sense of security at practice.
In fact, that's what I'll ascribe his play in Oakland to -- he looked brilliant during the week... Jamarcus couldn't hit anything on his side of the field!

Posted by: daggar | November 8, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

For those who are obsessed with JC's second INT Monday... (ok, only me at this point, but still)

4th -- I relistened to the Sports Reporters with Zorn, and Zorn's post-game review with LM, and even a bit of the Tuesday morning press conf... I can't find Zorn talking specifically about that play, or mentioning Thomas or Thrash at all...
I still haven't reviewed the recording, but I should be able to tonight.

Posted by: daggar | November 8, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

If he can't cover, his downside will be giving JC a false sense of security at practice.

Posted by: daggar | November 8, 2008 9:21 AM |

So, you're saying that he's going to steal Tryon's job?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 8, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Cindy's come up with a Saturday morning post:

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 8, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Wow great pick,, maybe the cowboys will release pacman and we could sign him too!

Posted by: jr12 | November 8, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Here's the R. Moss connnection. The Raiders were looking for a quick fix on offense spent a lot of money bringing in a superstar. They put all sorts of pressure on him to turn that unit around immediately. With as many problems as the O.R. have, no one could do that and the resentment built to all parties being unsatisfied and affecting on field performance. R. Moss moves to the Pats, a team with structure where he needs only to play his individual role, and now he's a model citizen. Likewise, Hall was to singlehandedly elevate the Raiders defense, a job no one could do. He's not being asked to do that with the Skins, just play his role.

I confess I don't watch many Atlanta and Raider games, but saw every game Hall played at VT. He has extreme talent. He also plays with a chip on his shoulder. Personally, I love to see defensive players with a little bit of an attitude.

Posted by: elderdave1 | November 8, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"""Carlos Rogers, however, seems puzzled as to how all the DBs will be used now...."""""

CRT seems puzzled too often on the field.....smoot often gets beat like a drum...and Springs can't stay on the field....

STATUS QUO was NOT a option......

Posted by: unc1dmo | November 8, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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