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Vote now on Game 8

By Cindy Boren  |  November 5, 2009; 9:47 AM ET
 
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is this thing working?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

1st to say Falcons Defense sucks

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

There is a lot of first time stuff happening that leads me to believe that maybe, just maybe, he's getting the message....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:58 AM


I get that Greg, but I still don't think he gets it. Not once in his "apology" did he actually say the words "I'm sorry". Not once did he take responsibility for his share of the blame. He said "WE are embarrassed. WE feel bad for the fans". That's not an apology, that's acknowledging his team sucks. Which is a step in the right direction, but unfortately doesn't produce REAL change or results.

I'll know he gets it when he starts aggressively thrusting barrels of cash in the pockets of guys like Bill Parcells, Bill Polian, or Kevin Colbert to come run his front office. I'll know he gets it when he has NOTHING to do with the football operation. I'll know he gets it when he spends more money on OUR free agents instead of making multi-millionaires of guys that made a name for themselves in another uniform.

Until then, he's spinning his wheels and wasting what little goodwill is left over from the fanbase that he claims to have once been a part of.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Matt Ryan

7 INTs in the last 3 games.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

JOhn Abraham

Only star on Defense is NOT healthy

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"Haven't we been saying this for 3 years?

Posted by: p1funk"

Yep, but that's all we got.

Posted by: psps23 | November 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

brown, regardless of the way he phrased it, he's never done it previously, so that right there, while somewhat small is a glimmer of hope that things could be changing......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Like it or not but DS has been ruining the franchise less lately.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 10:10 AM


I'm gonna step back and let you think about that remark.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

4th, whats up with JA??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

brown, while I agree with you, I think that DS is starting to get it...there are too many people telling him, and too many losses for him not to take notice of the state of this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse


There's never been this kind of firestorm around the team.

But I will not believe that Snyder "gets" anything until he shows us with real actions/decisions:

*Firing Vinny
*Hiring someone who isn't a jelly-spined yes-man
*Lowering prices on parking/concessions
*Taking on a real interview where he openly takes responsibility for the misdirection of the team

To me, these kinds of things will indicate whether he "gets" it - not 30 second apologies about how embarassed and disappointed he feels.

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I just refuse to get ahead of myself on Snyder, Greg. He hasn't changed until changes are made. Right now he's only acknowledged the team sucks. He's hasn't offered any solution or even admitted that what he's doing doesn't work. His track record suggests that he'll acknowledge there's a problem but will continue "his" way of trying to correct it instead of evaluating the ENTIRE process. If he comes into next season with Vinny in that front office but is emboldened by the hire of a big name coach, he's learned exactly NOTHING.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I wish it weren't what it is. But it is.
They can't score!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ridgely1 | November 5, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"Haven't we been saying this for 3 years?

Posted by: p1funk"

Yep, but that's all we got.

Posted by: psps23 | November 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse


My take on the Wiz:

Team of guard-heavy jump shooters that still isn't defensively sound.

We could win up to 50 games in the regular season. We will really blow out some of those teams when our shooting gets hot.

In the second round of the playoffs, we are gonna get schemed out and exposed as a one-dimensional team that's not solid enough at the 4-5 to play legitimate playoff-style ball.

When it's all said and done we will be no better off than we were years ago when Gil, Hughes and AJ got pounded by the Heat in the 2nd round.

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Matt Ryan

7 INTs in the last 3 games.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse


Carlos Rogers will cure that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 5, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Atlanta Falcons

Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News

11/04/09 DE John Abraham Foot Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 DT Jonathan Babineaux Ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 T Sam Baker Ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 WR Brian Finneran Ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 DT Thomas Johnson Calf Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 LB Curtis Lofton Knee, ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 RB Jerious Norwood Hip Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 C Mike Schneck Ribs Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 RB Jason Snelling Hamstring Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 WR Eric Weems Ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 WR Roddy White Knee Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 TE Keith Zinger Back Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

p1, agreed on 1-2, but gimme a break on 3-4. You don't want to pay high prices for parking/beer, guess what....YOU DON'T HAVE TO... Life's all about choices...you only feed into the high prices by PAYING THEM...if you don't like it..STOP..pretty simple....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Nothing in Danny Boy's half-ass attempt at spin control indicates he's willing to take any personal responsibility what-so-ever.

Subtext: Jim Zorn has struggled but we're oh so loyally, valiantly, sticking by him - at least through the rest of the season and even though we stripped him of play calling in the hopes he'd quit.

No sir, not my fault. Doesn't have anything to do with me. Or Vinny (Kindergarden Ninja) for that matter. Where is he anyway, I feel like petting his smooth head.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 5, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

4th, that is a LOT of starters not practicing....wow...thanks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

who the heck are the 3% who think the Redskins are winning by 20 or more, first off they can't score 20 and do you think the defense is going to hold them to zero points?

Posted by: connskins | November 5, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm gonna step back and let you think about that remark.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I think you may need a refresher course in some of the events of the recent past. I hate to do this but:

Steve Spurrier
Dana Stubblefield
Adam Archuleta
Irving Fryar
Dion Sanders
Al Saunders
Firing Marty Schottenhiemer

compared to:

Albert Haynesowrth
DHall
Jim Zorn
Sherm Lewis

is actually considered an improvement.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

p1, agreed on 1-2, but gimme a break on 3-4. You don't want to pay high prices for parking/beer, guess what....YOU DON'T HAVE TO... Life's all about choices...you only feed into the high prices by PAYING THEM...if you don't like it..STOP..pretty simple....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I did stop.

My family gave up our season tix about 4 years ago that were passed down from my grandfather (an original season tix holder, may he rest in peace).

It was hard to go to the stadium without feeling like Danny was completely fleecing us.

So we stopped going.

My point is that it would be a nice gesture from Danny if he wants to display true contrition.

Talk is cheap and the gameday experience is lousy and expensive...

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

With all those Atlanta starters injured/not practicing, it's gonna make our loss that much more embarrassing.

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I say atleast 90% of them will still play.....But they won't be healthy...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

It was hard to go to the stadium without feeling like Danny was completely fleecing us.

Were you physically forced into buying stuff?? If you're a willing party to the fleecing, then how can you complain??

I don't get this?? Did they force you to buy beer, or jerseys?? When I was there last year, no one forced either my wife nor I, to spend money, that we weren't a willing party to.....maybe its that I'm an out of stater??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

The ONLY thing that I don't have a great deal of anger at Mr. Snyder regarding is concession prices; the Redskin's concession prices are not out of line with concessions for every major sports team in America.

It's fun to complain about, and never having been to Fed Ex, if the quality sucks, then there is even more to complain about, but no matter what kind of event you go to in this country, you're going to pay $5-$6 for a coke, $8-$10 for a beer and $8-$10 for a burger/dog...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 5, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I think you may need a refresher course in some of the events of the recent past. I hate to do this but:

Steve Spurrier
Dana Stubblefield
Adam Archuleta
Irving Fryar
Dion Sanders
Al Saunders
Firing Marty Schottenhiemer

compared to:

Albert Haynesowrth
DHall
Jim Zorn
Sherm Lewis

is actually considered an improvement.


Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 10:41 AM


Wow. Just wow.

I guess if you want to ignore the boneheaded Jason Taylor trade you'd have a point. But then you'd also have to ignore Jim Zorn as a complete debacle every bit as bad as Spurrier and Sherm Lewis was retired for 5 YEARS before being brought in to clean up a horrible mess he's got no chance of salvaging.

And for the record, Archuleta and Lloyd were 3 years ago...still pretty recent. It just proves my point if we have fans taking such solace in the fact that he went one whole offseason without making a massive boo-boo (and that still has yet to be determined).

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis was retired for 5 YEARS before being brought in to clean up a horrible mess he's got no chance of salvaging.

Lets give sherm a little more time....I mean, I know its been what, 3, 4 weeks and all, but how about if we let this one play out.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen Herm Edwards on ESPN? I used to really like him when he was in NY, but GAWD he's awful on TV...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

And for the record, Archuleta and Lloyd were 3 years ago...still pretty recent. It just proves my point if we have fans taking such solace in the fact that he went one whole offseason without making a massive boo-boo (and that still has yet to be determined).

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Well, if oyu want to include the Jason Taylor trade then I'll include Bruce Smith,


See, the first offseason we made about 10 massive booboos. Then we started making only 5-6 massive booboos a year. Now we are down to making 1 massive booboo every other year. It is actually considered an improvement. It's still bad but if it were a report card a 60% F is better than a 15% F. They are still F's but one is better than the other.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Were you physically forced into buying stuff?? If you're a willing party to the fleecing, then how can you complain??

I don't get this?? Did they force you to buy beer, or jerseys?? When I was there last year, no one forced either my wife nor I, to spend money, that we weren't a willing party to.....maybe its that I'm an out of stater??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse


Let me elaborate.

Like I said, my grandfather was an original season ticket holder. When those tix were carried over from RFK to FedEx, we were told that our seats would be of "comparable" quality to the kind of seats our family had at RFK (in terms of location and view).

They were not.

When my father started calling the tix agent, we were told that we could improve the quality of our seats by buying into something called the "Tailgate Club".

Basically, you pay an extra $50-$75 bucks per person/ticket to be able to sit in a portion of the stadium and eat dried-out burgers and baked beans that the Skins provide before the game.

When the game starts, they shut down the Tailgate Club. They have security guards standing at the exit/entrance to ensure you do not bring any of the food or drink provided at the Tailgate Club into the stadium with you. Obviously, if you did that you would be less inclined to pay out the wahzoo at the concession stands during the game.

But we bought into this, and won back the right to get decent seats in the lower bowl.

After a couple years, we got tired of paying $50-75 per person for piss-poor quality food that would run out and you'd stand in line for. We got tired of getting frisked down by security personnel who wanted to make sure you didn't commit the crime of carrying a bottle of Dasani water and a sugar cookie into the other part of the stadium with you.

Between the rising prices of parking and Tailgate Club, and the diminishing quality of the service and product on the field, we said "enough is enough".

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

4th..good stuff on Atlanta injuries.....
I guess Portis has been Questionable every week, too. Allegedly he appears at Practice during the week but, doesnt take snaps.
Guess Zorn looks the other way, since Portis is a Snyder travel buddy in the offseason.
Skins put the word "fun" in dysfunctional.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Atlanta Falcons

Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News

11/04/09 DE John Abraham Foot Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 DT Jonathan Babineaux Ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 T Sam Baker Ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 WR Brian Finneran Ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 DT Thomas Johnson Calf Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 LB Curtis Lofton Knee, ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 RB Jerious Norwood Hip Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 C Mike Schneck Ribs Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 RB Jason Snelling Hamstring Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 WR Eric Weems Ankle Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 WR Roddy White Knee Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington
11/04/09 TE Keith Zinger Back Did not practice. Questionable for Week 9 vs. Washington

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 10:32 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 5, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Lets give sherm a little more time....I mean, I know its been what, 3, 4 weeks and all, but how about if we let this one play out.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:56 AM


Whoa, whoa, whoa...you think there's even a remote chance he makes a substantive difference on this team? He's not even officially a coach here!

No mini-camp, no training camp, not even the first handful of regular season games. No film study on the personnel, no actually coaching of the players he's calling plays for. What part of that inspires confidence that he's going to make a REAL difference?

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Atlanta may be banged up injury-wise, but they'll tape it up, gut it out, and kick out a win.

Meanwhile, the Redskins will come out of their bye week tanned, rested and ready to roll over and play dead. Like Moses and his peeps wandering through desert, JC17 will be looking to find his rhythm, CP26 will be looking for his ganja babe - Dan Snidely, and AH92 will be looking to lay down and have a(nother) rest.

Can't wait to hear the excuses and alibis coming from Redskin Park... after yet another embarrassing loss on Sunday.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 5, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I laughed out loud at the notion (posited in the poll above) that the Redskins could even score 20 or more points, let alone outscore another NFL team by 20 or more points.

And then I laughed again at the notion that some earnest fan might sincerely select that as his poll answer.

And then I wept, quietly, in my cubicle.

*sigh*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 5, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Redskins offense vs Falcons defense = resistable force meets movable object

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

p1, thanks for elaborating.....so if I'm hearing you correctly, 8 times a year, you went to the games, and paid for lousy food, this went on for a few years?? you'll have to excuse me for feeling badly for you, and for taking you seriously, when you ask for contrition from Dan regarding the game day experiece....I'm not trying to be a jerk, but come on...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

brown, do you think the play-calling was better versus the eagles?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Which team will win Sunday in Atlanta?"


Some of us have moved on.

It's the middle of the season.

Time for some prognostications:

AFC CHAMPIONSHIP:

Colts v. Broncos

NFC CHAMPIONSHIP:

Eagles v. Saints

Super Bowl:

Colts v. Eagles

The Winner?: Eagles in a shoot out

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

moe, colts vs saints....now that would be some fireworks......it'd be a track meet...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

RE the previous post I think they have to find a way to get the ball in DT's hands early and often. With his size and speed he's bound to make things happen. If it takes Lewis calling plays to make it happen so be it.

Posted by: skinswest | November 5, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

the notion that some earnest fan might sincerely select

Ah, there's the bug in your code.
I took the same road I take during voting -- choose the politician who needs a few votes just to feel good about himself.

Jason Campbell's last two incompletions have been blamed on the fact that he inadvertently knocked at least two angels off the head of a pin in midflight.
Chad Rinehart's blocking practice partner is actually Chuck Norris. He's the closest thing the skins can find to an immovable object.

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

My take on the Wiz:

Team of guard-heavy jump shooters that still isn't defensively sound.

We could win up to 50 games in the regular season. We will really blow out some of those teams when our shooting gets hot.

In the second round of the playoffs, we are gonna get schemed out and exposed as a one-dimensional team that's not solid enough at the 4-5 to play legitimate playoff-style ball.

When it's all said and done we will be no better off than we were years ago when Gil, Hughes and AJ got pounded by the Heat in the 2nd round.

Posted by: p1funk

---------------


Honestly, yesterday was the first game I was able to catch on TV.

But from what I saw and from what I've read, The Wiz aren't a jump-shooting team. Arenas is attacking the basket like a mad man. As is Butler (though much less frequently taking shots than in recent years). Blatche is finally playing an all-around game, and has truly taken a leadership role on the second unit as being "the man." Foye is running the offense efficiently, and Miller has a much better all-around game than I assumed when we first signed him (his biggest asset may be on the boards rather than his 3-point prowess).

For 3 quarters yesterday, the Wizards impressed me defensively. They came out looking like they were shot with tranqs, but they showed they CAN play defense when they want to. Even Arenas looks like he's made a commitment to working on that end of the floor.

I'm excited for this year. When Jamison returns and our top seven is Arenas, Miller, Butler, Jamison, Haywood, Blatche, and Foye, that's going to be a serious headache for any team. Arenas will be our smallest starter at 6'4, we'll have 4 starters at 6'7 or taller, and we're no longer this tiny team grasping to stay physical.

Posted by: psps23 | November 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The Winner?: Eagles in a shoot out

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse


I'm going;

AFC Championship

Colts Vs. Ravens


NFC Championship

Saints Vs. Vikings

Super Bowl

Ravens Vs. Saints

Winner: Saints

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

p1, thanks for elaborating.....so if I'm hearing you correctly, 8 times a year, you went to the games, and paid for lousy food, this went on for a few years?? you'll have to excuse me for feeling badly for you, and for taking you seriously, when you ask for contrition from Dan regarding the game day experiece....I'm not trying to be a jerk, but come on...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, every season our family was shook down to fork over an extra $800-$1200 on top of what we were already paying for our season tix just to reclaim the decent kind of stadium seats that we'd enjoyed for decades when we came to see the games.

Whether or not you take it seriously is of little concern to me.

Maybe not living in the area means you are disconnected from what alot of the lifelong season tix holders are feeling about their relationship with the club.

But I'm not alone. The gameday experience has change drastically from the RFK days. The connection and goodwill that the organization had fostered with the local fanbase is in tatters.

That's fine. Danny turned it into a business relationship. No one is forcing us to buy into it and now we don't.

But for Danny to bring down some of the prices would mean alot to the local longtime fanbase who, over the past decade, have watched the prices increase on everything and the quality of the product decrease drastically.

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I am delaying a response to a question on the last thread.

Greg,
The reason I think it took Cooley going down for them to go to Davis like that was 2 fold. Of all the 2nd round fails we drafted that year Davis has been the most productive. But really I think a big reason has been Zorn's lack of faith in Davis. Hell he has shown a general lack of faith in his men in general. If you cannot trust a group of men to do what they need to then this is what happens.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

p1, thanks for elaborating.....so if I'm hearing you correctly, 8 times a year, you went to the games, and paid for lousy food, this went on for a few years?? you'll have to excuse me for feeling badly for you, and for taking you seriously, when you ask for contrition from Dan regarding the game day experiece....I'm not trying to be a jerk, but come on...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse
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Well Beantown, you have to admit that it is those fans that pay to go to the games that would have any influence on changes to the gameday experience or the way the organization is run, if any fans could.

He pays to go, and you can fault him for that, but what motivation does DS have to listen to those that pay him nothing?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 5, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

From The WashTimes:

Who is the Redskins' first-half offensive MVP?
Thanks for your vote.

Response Percent
Jason Campbell 0%
Clinton Portis 0%
Santana Moss 3%
Chris Cooley 31%
Chris Samuels 7%
Shaun Suisham 24%
Someone else 33%

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

.......JC17 will be looking to find his rhythm,
Posted by: Vic1 | November 5, 2009 11:07 AM
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Vic1, you Hater you, JC always finds his rhythm....

(albeit usually near the end of the game when the skins are 2 scores behind and the opposing D is playing Prevent D).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 5, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

AFC Championship: Colts vs. Bengals
NFC Championship: Saints vs. Vikings
Superbowl: Colts vs. Sains
Winner: Saints in one of the greatest games ever played.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 5, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Well, if oyu want to include the Jason Taylor trade then I'll include Bruce Smith,


See, the first offseason we made about 10 massive booboos. Then we started making only 5-6 massive booboos a year. Now we are down to making 1 massive booboo every other year. It is actually considered an improvement. It's still bad but if it were a report card a 60% F is better than a 15% F. They are still F's but one is better than the other.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 11:00 AM


Not a fair comparison. I seem to remember Bruce Smith here getting a couple double digit sack seasons. Dumb to pay him the kind of money he got, but he was productive for the most part. JT came here, collected a check, and that's about all. Goes back to the Dolphins for pennies on the dollar. And probably sits next to the Skins' 2nd round pick on the Dolphins team bus.

As for Snyder's errors: the fact of the matter is even if it's only one that's too many. The reason being HE HAS NO BUSINESS BEING INVOLVED IN PLAYER PERSONNEL! The only acceptable grade for him is an incomplete.


Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I actually DID think the playcalling was better against Philly. And if it weren't for the implosions we prolly woulda won that game.

You can say that about every game except the Ginas, I think. But of course against the 1st place Iggles, it means more.

I still contend that this team is not as far away from contending it believes it is. There's just no way they'll ever do the right things to get there.

Hence - everything must go.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 5, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

if the vikes make the superbowl, I'm throwing my tv out a window....that will just be too much for any person to bear....the favre ball-washing will be at an unbearable pitch...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

brown, do you think the play-calling was better versus the eagles?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 11:11 AM


I didn't watch the whole game. Just the first half. That's all my stomach could take. But from what I saw, there were a couple of good drives and the usual mediocrity otherwise. If didn't know there was a change in playcalling, I would have never known.

So to answer your question, marginally better if at all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

But from what I saw and from what I've read, The Wiz aren't a jump-shooting team. Arenas is attacking the basket like a mad man. As is Butler (though much less frequently taking shots than in recent years). Blatche is finally playing an all-around game, and has truly taken a leadership role on the second unit as being "the man." Foye is running the offense efficiently, and Miller has a much better all-around game than I assumed when we first signed him (his biggest asset may be on the boards rather than his 3-point prowess).

For 3 quarters yesterday, the Wizards impressed me defensively. They came out looking like they were shot with tranqs, but they showed they CAN play defense when they want to. Even Arenas looks like he's made a commitment to working on that end of the floor.

I'm excited for this year. When Jamison returns and our top seven is Arenas, Miller, Butler, Jamison, Haywood, Blatche, and Foye, that's going to be a serious headache for any team. Arenas will be our smallest starter at 6'4, we'll have 4 starters at 6'7 or taller, and we're no longer this tiny team grasping to stay physical.

Posted by: psps23 | November 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse


Sure, Arenas attacks the basket. Butler cut and/or drove a couple of times, but it's not like he was devastating around the rim or getting to the free throw line a bunch (2 FTAs?).

The Heat cooled off in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, but they still scored 93 points and they don't have a roster with alot of offensive punch. They've got Wade, Q-Rich, and Beasley who is streaky. Wade poured in 40 points; Q-Rich shot 70% and went 5-7 from 3point range. Where's the D?

Like I said, I think the Wiz could win 50 games and will definitely blow some teams out, and alot of that has to do with the fact that we are loaded with scorers and will create mismatched on the offensive end. But the team has a pretty soft 4-5 rotation. Both AJ and Blatche play more like perimeter guys. And playing with both Arenas and AJ makes the team a defensive liability. It's not like Haywood is some defensive eraser in the middle of the paint. But to win, this team still needs to have the mentality that it is going to outshoot the other guys, as opposed to having the mentality that it can stop the other guys when they need to.

This team plays its best when they are hitting jumpers, forcing defenders to step up and out on them, and then creating space/lanes to find their big men cutting around the basket.

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

so brown, could there be some improvements given the bye week, and another week of prep....??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

That why I'd give up Melky Cabrera and two pitchers for him if I'm Cashman.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 9:01 AM |

That also why you a forkin tool. Holliday a FA. If you wants him all you needs is $$$.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 5, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Whoa, whoa, whoa...you think there's even a remote chance he makes a substantive difference on this team? He's not even officially a coach here!

No mini-camp, no training camp, not even the first handful of regular season games. No film study on the personnel, no actually coaching of the players he's calling plays for. What part of that inspires confidence that he's going to make a REAL difference?

Posted by: brownwood26


He's not Zorn and that's enough..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm gonna step back and let you think about that remark.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I think you may need a refresher course in some of the events of the recent past. I hate to do this but:

Steve Spurrier
Dana Stubblefield
Adam Archuleta
Irving Fryar
Dion Sanders
Al Saunders
Firing Marty Schottenhiemer

compared to:

Albert Haynesowrth
DHall
Jim Zorn
Sherm Lewis

is actually considered an improvement.


Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

THANK YOU - YOU CAN NOT HAVE PUT IT ANY CLEARER. SOME DUMMY FANS DON'T GET IT.

YOU SIR A A TRUE FAN.

I dont blame the players for calling ya'll "drama city" " Mickey D coaches" etc...it fit you all so well...only true fans

Posted by: Incognito00 | November 5, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Reskins beat the Falcons. Big receivers play large role.

I said it long time ago. What Danny Snyder did in Clinton by speaking to the press is something he should have been doing all along.

I said that Danny Snyder should have been Repping his Team a long time ago.

Keep it up Danny, that is a step in the right direction.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 5, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This is a big game for us....I think we will come out early with lots of energy...if things go well our energy will be sustained, but if things go bad we lose our will and..... begin our decent into Total and Final humilulation....its our only chance at change.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | November 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

That why I'd give up Melky Cabrera and two pitchers for him if I'm Cashman.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 9:01 AM |

That also why you a forkin tool. Holliday a FA. If you wants him all you needs is $$$.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag

Good point LGB...the Yankees will out bid everyone if they want him...Melky may not be the sexy choice at CF but he come through in the ckutch. He had at least 3 walk-off hits this year and he single handily pull the Yanks out of a mini slump with his hit for the cycle game against the Whits Sox...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

get the latest redskins coverage at csn!!!

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/main

Posted by: nattylite88 | November 5, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I think you may need a refresher course in some of the events of the recent past. I hate to do this but:

Steve Spurrier
Dana Stubblefield
Adam Archuleta
Irving Fryar
Dion Sanders
Al Saunders
Firing Marty Schottenhiemer

compared to:

Albert Haynesowrth
DHall
Jim Zorn
Sherm Lewis

is actually considered an improvement.
Posted by: PAskinsfan17

I don't think Stubberfield and Fryar were his responsibility...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The best thing to happen on Sunday is to stay the course and get completely embarrassed as usual. Yes, it will sting in the short term but is needed for the long term success of this team, kind of like a root canal. In fact, I will not settle for anything more than of a 3-13 season damnit.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 5, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Pfunk:

I was also at the game last night.

WARNING: ABOUT TO WHINE OVER OFFICIATING.

One of the Wiz' big problems is their rep as a poor team and organization. In the NBA, these teams do NOT get big calls most of the time, even in their own building. Arenas is the one guy the Wiz have that can get phantom fouls called, but even he has to "re-establish his reputation" before he can expect to just charge the basket a la James and get the call...the game's last moments exemplified that. A defender could put a ski mask on and hold up Haywood with a gun when he goes up with the ball and not be called for a foul.

The Wiz should be pretty good, assuming they get healthy...but they won't compete for anything other than also ran playoff spot status until they gain the respect of the NBA and its officials. Yeah, it may be whining, but in the NBA, it is just a fact of life.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 5, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The best thing to happen on Sunday is to stay the course and get completely embarrassed as usual. Yes, it will sting in the short term but is needed for the long term success of this team, kind of like a root canal. In fact, I will not settle for anything more than of a 3-13 season damnit.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 5, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse


Sad to say, but I agree.

Not that i think we really have much of a chance of winning anyways.

The Atlanta defense is fast, if anything. Playing in the dome, I can't imagine we're gonna have much luck making many plays or protecting the QB.

Against New Orleans, they played pretty good coverage and Brees just killed them with well-timed accurate throws. He threw the ball to covered guys in tight spaces and let them make plays. He got the ball out quickly. He spread it around.

...he basically did all the things that our QB does not do...

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Choke Artist.

Posted by: RedDMV |

equals Gilbert Arenas

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I watched every snap of the Iggles game.

The play calling was logarithmically better. Bootlegs. Passes to open guys in the endzone. Gruden even diagrammed one of those and said "I love this play".

The mix, flow and imagination of the calling was far superior to anything Zorn had previously done.

The Redskins were actually in that game even after D Jax personally smoked them on two plays. Of course, then ARE the OVERPAID RETREAD POS THAT HE IS, came to the fore, Heyer tweeked his knee, and Zorn FAILED AGAIN TO ADJUST TO THE SITUATION, and left Levi on the bench until it was much too late.

Zorn is a nice guy, but he is no lovable loser. He is a stubborn idiot who refuses to a) adjust and b) hold people accountable for failure. Its not a good combo.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

[Edited for Content]

Who is the Redskins' first-half offensive MVP?
Thanks for your vote.

Response Percent
Jason Campbell 0%
Clinton Portis 0%
Santana Moss 0%
Chris Cooley 0%
Chris Samuels 0%
Shaun Suisham 24%
Offensive MVP?! Bwahahahahahaha!! 76%

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 11:31 AM

Posted by: 4-12 | November 5, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz should be pretty good, assuming they get healthy...but they won't compete for anything other than also ran playoff spot status until they gain the respect of the NBA and its officials. Yeah, it may be whining, but in the NBA, it is just a fact of life.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 5, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse


Don't ever apologize to me about whining over NBA refs.

I'm in the "I think Donaghy is telling the truth" camp.


Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Sticking to my preseason prediction:

Conference Championship:

Steelers over Texans
Saints over Packers

Super Bowl XLIV:

Steelers over Saints


Damn, my Saints pick looks so money right now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

littlegreenbag

"That also why you a forkin' tool. Holliday a FA. If you wants him all you needs is $$$."


I did not know that.

But I will admit to knowing everything else in the world if you admit to knowing only the one thing I was unaware of.

Which ain't much.

And yes: I am fool.

But today, this fool's clownsuit is made up of pinstripes and interlocking "N" and "Y".

Let me turn off the gloat machine before it starts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I laughed out loud at the notion (posited in the poll above) that the Redskins could even score 20 or more points, let alone outscore another NFL team by 20 or more points.

And then I laughed again at the notion that some earnest fan might sincerely select that as his poll answer.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 5, 2009 11:07 AM |

Don't laff dude. It could happen. Why?

1. Thomas is maturing.

2. 8 Falcons were kept out of practice.

3. Reports that ARE was stripped of punt return duties proved to be erroneous.

4. Sleepy successfully completed TE 101 over the break.

5. The game is on the road so Camp won't be booed and can relax and find his rhythm.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The best thing to happen on Sunday is to stay the course and get completely embarrassed as usual. Yes, it will sting in the short term but is needed for the long term success of this team, kind of like a root canal. In fact, I will not settle for anything more than of a 3-13 season damnit.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 5, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse


Sad to say, but I agree.
Posted by: p1funk

You guys except losing..hope for losing..just a sad sad situation...you guys should become Detroit fans or something...focus on the Nats and the O's

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

so brown, could there be some improvements given the bye week, and another week of prep....??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 11:41 AM


It's possible. But I wouldn't bet on it.

What's lost in all this stupid playcalling garbage is the fact that the O-line is a complete disaster. They could get Bill f-ing Walsh in here to call plays and still not get in the end zone. They don't have the line, don't have the QB and their RB situation is also a mess.

So yeah, it's possible that Sherm could be better than Zorn (hard to be worse), but even if he is I doubt we see a difference on the scoreboard.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for enumerating what I was talking about, SkinsFan!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 5, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Barring the Falcons coming down with the swine flu, the Redskins don't have a chance with there popgun offense against a team with a legitimate QB, RB, offensive line and recievers. I smell a score along the lines of 23-9 Falcons.

Posted by: Riddler1 | November 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

You guys except losing..hope for losing..just a sad sad situation...you guys should become Detroit fans or something...focus on the Nats and the O's


Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:11 PM

Yeah, because going 8-8 has really paid off for the last 10 years. Keep rooting for mediocrity.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan

"I watched every snap of the Iggles game. The play calling was logarithmically better."


I agree.

Maybe Zorn hangs around, but Sherm calls plays.

And maybe Zorn and Sherm sit Vinny down and say, "Hey, all we block is the bottom of the NFC East."

"Use some Haynesworth-type money and get us some young tackles and right guard."

"Then we'll see what's happening."

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a nice guy, but he is no lovable loser. He is a stubborn idiot who refuses to a) adjust and b) hold people accountable for failure. Its not a good combo.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe |

I think you might be onto something there. Zorn has gotten a lot of mileage out of his good guy persona. Maybe his mileage is starting to vary

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

But today, this fool's clownsuit is made up of pinstripes and interlocking "N" and "Y".
Posted by: MistaMoe

Yeah that's a beautiful suit...Wear it proud...i'm ironing mine now..will be sporting it all week.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I smell a score along the lines of 23-9 Falcons.

Posted by: Riddler1

Wash your under-arms

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

You guys except losing..hope for losing..just a sad sad situation...you guys should become Detroit fans or something...focus on the Nats and the O's


Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you have to lose in order to win. Losing gets you a better draft pick and more importantly it sends a message that what you are doing is not working. Hopefull, by losing our manament gets the message and actually tries to build a contender instead of a perennial 8-8 team that back its' way into the playoofs every couple years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

But today, this fool's clownsuit is made up of pinstripes and interlocking "N" and "Y".

Let me turn off the gloat machine before it starts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 12:07 PM |

Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the IRS. Why?

1. It's NYC. The home of the financial meltdown, billion dollar boners and rich bastards like Mike (I spent $$$ and barely squeaked by an unknown) Bloomberg.

2. Given the filthy amount of $$$ they spend the Yankees should win the WS every forkin year. How level is that forkin playing field?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 5, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, because going 8-8 has really paid off for the last 10 years. Keep rooting for mediocrity.

Posted by: Moose33

Detroit has done a fantastic job going from 3-13 or 2-14 or 0-16 to 10, 11, or 12 win seasons over the last 10 years...its easier to get to 10 from 8 than from 3

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

WHAT! Detroit has not had a 10 win season in years!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 5, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

i guess we'll be postseason champs again

Posted by: pathmo | November 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Football Outsiders' current NFL ranking for Washington:

Defense: 11th
Special Teams: 17th
Offense: 24th

Yep, Virginia, there are 8 teams with offenses less effective than ours.

Don't blow up the club. Fix the offense and the punt return game.

By the way, the clubs with a worse offense are (in no particular order): Tampa, St. Louis, Buffalo, Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Detroit, and of course, Oakland.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 5, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you have to lose in order to win. Losing gets you a better draft pick and more importantly it sends a message that what you are doing is not working. Hopefull, by losing our manament gets the message and actually tries to build a contender instead of a perennial 8-8 team that back its' way into the playoofs every couple years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Just want to let you know that your posts make a lot of sense... at least they do to me. I agree with most of them.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Wash your under-arms

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:23 PM |

It's your hands you're supposed to wash not your underarms. Nobody ever found Swine Flu virus in your armpits you zygmund.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you have to lose in order to win. Losing gets you a better draft pick and more importantly it sends a message that what you are doing is not working. Hopefull, by losing our manament gets the message and actually tries to build a contender instead of a perennial 8-8 team that back its' way into the playoofs every couple years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

What I said to answer moose about Detroit...A top draft pick doesn't mean much if you don't guess right.. the draft is a crap shoot as we all know..if your 8-8 you can see were things aren't working..the Skins saw it this past off-season they just ignored it and now they're paying the price..but that no reason to accept losing..I mean you have to be some special type of (don't want to call names here) to want to lose.. that just soft..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Falcons 23-13.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 5, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should change their names to the Washington 13ers. Cause thats all we seem to score.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 5, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

WHAT! Detroit has not had a 10 win season in years!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

Exactly..that's what i was trying to convey..that losing doesn't not necessarily breeds winning..I did it sarcastically

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the clubs with a worse offense are (in no particular order): Tampa, St. Louis, Buffalo, Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Detroit, and of course, Oakland.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 5, 2009 12:32 PM |

You forgot Tenn. All of them teams save Buff and Chi are standing in the way of the Skinz getting a good draft ranking.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 5, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

fair enough

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 5, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Detroit has done a fantastic job going from 3-13 or 2-14 or 0-16 to 10, 11, or 12 win seasons over the last 10 years...its easier to get to 10 from 8 than from 3

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:27 PM

Tell that to the Miami Dolphins. If you're happy with the management of this team then go ahead and hope for another medium season. Then watch as Vinny keeps his job and we go through the same cr@p all over again.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 5, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

LGB, yeah, the Redskins could win the game Sunday. I wholeheartedly agree that the possibility does exist, in the realm of things that could happen. I just don't expect it to happen.

I expect the Redskins to be clobbered by a team that should be plenty upset it didn't take care of business against its division rival on MNF last week. A team that can actually take care of its business. By which I mean the Falcons.

That's profoundly disturbing... that I can characterize the never-won-anyhing Falcons as a team capable of taking care of business, while I have no faith in my beloved Redskins to even rise to the occasion and play competitively.

Good grief...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 5, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Wash your under-arms

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:23 PM |

It's your hands you're supposed to wash not your underarms. Nobody ever found Swine Flu virus in your armpits you zygmund.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag

LBG are you trying to throw bombs with that "you zygmund" commit?..Why? my commit was directed towards Riddler1...are you two dating?..I means i don't think you want any part of me..Better ask some of these bloggers...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness though....in the NFL you can turn it around in 1 year. The Ravens were 6-10 in 05 then 13-3 in 06, 5-11 in 07 and 11-5 in 08. Miami turned into a playoff team after going 1-15. Nobody saw Arizona going to the SB last year. So my point is the NFL is unpredictable. There is always a chance we can turn things around. But to do so the ownership and management need to take the proper steps. 1st of which is realizing sh*t aint working right now and a philosophy adjustment is in order.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 5, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Tell that to the Miami Dolphins. If you're happy with the management of this team then go ahead and hope for another medium season. Then watch as Vinny keeps his job and we go through the same cr@p all over again.

Posted by: Moose33 |

I don't think the dolphin fans were rooting to lose and besides what are they doing this season?..not much...you can come out and surprise people like Zorn did in the first have of last year but you have to have substance..and losing has no substance..Vinny will be fired...Count on that..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

What I said to answer moose about Detroit...A top draft pick doesn't mean much if you don't guess right.. the draft is a crap shoot as we all know..if your 8-8 you can see were things aren't working..the Skins saw it this past off-season they just ignored it and now they're paying the price..but that no reason to accept losing..I mean you have to be some special type of (don't want to call names here) to want to lose.. that just soft..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I want us to lose and I want JC to get sacked 40 times. This may make me a bad fan but the truth is if that happens we will finally upgrade the offense line. With an upgraded offensive line we will actually make a run at the championship instead of floundering in mediocrity.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

LBG are you trying to throw bombs with that "you zygmund" commit?..Why? my commit was directed towards Riddler1...are you two dating?..I means i don't think you want any part of me..Better ask some of these bloggers...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:44 PM |

I dating Joker but two timing with occasional Penguin dates. Don't take personal. It a blog. Don't pull a JC on us.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 5, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

littlegreenbag

"Given the filthy amount of $$$ they spend the Yankees should win the WS every forkin year. How level is that forkin playing field?"


These teams:

Twins of the 1990s, '08 Rays, '87 A's, '97 Marlins, '03 Marlins, '98 Padres, '04 Rockies, '01 Diamondback, '05 Cardinals all say it's pretty level--if you know how to pick the players.

And since all of the players are getting millionaire salaries, arguing about who spents money for what is the philosophy of losers.

Cry about what small market teams do with all that Dodgers, Yankees, Sawx, Cubs, Angels luxury tax money before you hate on the successful for being what they are: successful.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I dating Joker but two timing with occasional Penguin dates. Don't take personal. It a blog. Don't pull a JC on us.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag |

OK..fair enough...that's funny really funny..better hope Robin doesn't find out...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

On that note, Ryan Howard...please disappear for the ENTIRE off-season. Give no interviews, and maybe everyone will forget about the magnificent gag-job you pulled in the playoffs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

And who would know better about gag jobs than a Red Sox fan?

Posted by: TheCork | November 5, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the dolphin fans were rooting to lose and besides what are they doing this season?..not much...you can come out and surprise people like Zorn did in the first have of last year but you have to have substance..and losing has no substance..Vinny will be fired...Count on that..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 5, 2009 12:48 PM

You're taking this rooting for losing thing too seriously. Noone here wants to see the team lose and noone is looking to switch teams.

What this team needs is an absolutely craptastic season to ensure that Vinny is gone and that there is a fundemental change in philosphy where Danny is not calling the shots. As long as we're 8-8, he thinks were a couple pieces away and will continue what he's been doing. If you can't see that then I can't help you.

Thankfully Vinny & Dan F'ed this team up so badly that we have no chance to be 8-8 so all our wishes could come true regardless.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 5, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Thankfully Vinny & Dan F'ed this team up so badly that we have no chance to be 8-8 so all our wishes could come true regardless.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 5, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

That's what I was trying to say but couldn't. Heck, Vinny is still convinced that BPA is the way to go. WTF? Even now he won't admit that we need offensive line help in the worst way.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

apparently corky never heard of 2004......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Falcons need this game, Skins have no chance. Falcon d-linemen will play - they won't get an easier opportunity this year to collect sacks (earn contract bonuses) Falcons 37 - Skins 13

Posted by: coparker5 | November 5, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Denver lasts longer in the post-season than Indy or Baltimore. Book it.

Posted by: dcsween | November 5, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

a Skins win over ATL wouldn't surprise me at all. This is a strange team and capable of a lot more than its shown.

However, if I was putting money down, I wouldn't bet on the Skins ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 5, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

And which team is CURRENTLY tied for 4th place in the league on defense (measured by yards allowed)?

This is rhetorical. Its the Skins.

Posted by: dcsween | November 5, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Denver lasts longer in the post-season than Indy or Baltimore. Book it.

Posted by: dcsween
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False on both accounts. Denver is not built for the playoffs. They lose in round 1 to whomever they play. Book that.

Posted by: REXskins | November 5, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Falcons 16, Skins 13. Take the Skins and the points (line favors Falcons by 10) and the under. Book it.

Posted by: dcsween | November 5, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

i think greg blache would make a great head coach for us

Posted by: altarkenton | November 5, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

dc, really? I think Indy is strong, they've been there, know the drill, Denver not so much....Baltimore, I could get behind that, they're hard to get a feel for...jekyl/hyde type of team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Quote from Matt Millen

"I don't understand how does Vinny Cerrato keeps his job."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 5, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

False on both accounts. Denver is not built for the playoffs. They lose in round 1 to whomever they play. Book that.

Posted by: REXskins | November 5, 2009 1:15 PM

The lose in the first round only if its against New England ... but New England is going to have to fight off being a Wild Card in order to win the Division (Jets re-surge). Denver has an offensive line and a defense. Re-book it (with the New England caveat).

Posted by: dcsween | November 5, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

from the Times:

We'll get something posted on Greg Blache's spirited and impassioned defense of owner Dan Snyder in the wake of John Riggins' continued assault -- he called Snyder a "bad guy" and said he had a "dark heart" during an appearance on "Inside The NFL."

Meanwhile, the only bit of real news is that punter Hunter Smith re-injured his groin and said he is "most likely" out for Sunday's game in Atlanta.

During the open locker room period, Jim Zorn, Danny Smith and several personnel people were on the practice field as a yet-to-be-identified punter tried out. There could have been more than one.

Smith missed two games earlier this year with the same injury and Glenn Pakulak filled in.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore's corners are a major weakness, and that defense is not what it was without Rex Ryan (but they will win this week b/c OT Jared Gaither is back from injury). Indy's strength is its offense, its defense is still keeping games plenty close. Denver has that Belichek Jr. guy in charge, plus an aggressive defensive play caller in Nolan.

Posted by: dcsween | November 5, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The lose in the first round only if its against New England ... but New England is going to have to fight off being a Wild Card in order to win the Division (Jets re-surge). Denver has an offensive line and a defense. Re-book it (with the New England caveat).

Posted by: dcsween
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Strange how you think the only team they would lose to (NE), they have already beaten, and the only team they have lost to (BAL), you think they will beat next time. Can you explain the logic behind this?

Posted by: REXskins | November 5, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

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