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Vote Now: Who's to Blame? (Updated)

Out of the Bog

Joe Theismann on the Redskins ("This is not professional football."), via Dan Steinberg at D.C. Sports Bog. ... And a tale of paper bags.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 12, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
 
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first to say this team is cursed

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 12, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

All of the above

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Boswell nailed it:

"When a coach like Joe Gibbs comes back to town for four years to fix your mess, you take his advice. You retain the people he put in place.

You don't put Williams through a ridiculous 10-hour job interview that is tantamount to "get lost." You don't hire a "West Coast offense" quarterback coach from Seattle and make him your offensive coordinator, then elevate him to head coach when nobody famous wants the position.

This is what Snyder and Cerrato deserve. They brought it on themselves. The Redskins and their fans, however, and Jim Zorn for that matter, don't deserve it. They don't deserve it at all."

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 12, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jason.

Posted by: cannontl | October 12, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

If the Panthers are stupid enough to let this guy go he'd be my first choice. I like how he built that team.

John Fox denies report that he expects to be fired
Posted by Mike Florio on October 12, 2009 9:56 AM ET
On Sunday, John Czarnecki of FOX reports that Panthers coach John Fox has told "friends and some associates" that he expects to be fired when the 2009 season ends.

After Sunday's win over the Redskins, which moved Carolina to 1-3, Fox denied that he has said any such thing.

"I think if I was talking to my friends, I'd probably tell them if I was expecting a new five-year contract, but I don't think I'd be telling them I'm getting fired at the end of the season," Fox said. "I really don't even know how to respond to that. It doesn't make much sense if it did come out."

Nice try, John. But it makes plenty of sense that, in quiet, reflective moments while commiserating with those you know (and thought you could trust), you'd acknowledge what many think is obvious -- that it's coming to an end for you in Charlotte.

Fox quietly has been on the job for eight seasons. The fumes of an unlikely Super Bowl appearance in his second year with the Panthers likely has carried him through a few down years, and last season's 12-4 finish seemed to cement his hold on the job.

But it's now coming apart, and someone has to be accountable for the decision to extend the contract of quarterback Jake Delhomme despite plenty of evidence that he's in decline and to keep defensive end Julius Peppers at $17 million for one season despite the fact that he didn't want to be there -- and by all appearances is now playing that way.

So Fox, like any football coach, is too proud to concede that which he knows in his heart. The window has closed in Charlotte, and unless his team shatters it soon, Fox likely will be done after the season, regardless of whether he has shared his fears in this regard with his friends.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

REPOST

Management is definitely part of the problem, and a change needs to take place, i.e., Vinny should be gone. I didn't mean to absolve Vinny at all in my previous post.

I agree the team does need a culture change, but Vinny isn't responsible for motivating the players. Zorn is. And he obviously isn't up to the task.

Blache seems to have his guys ready every week, but some players on offense look apathetic - especially Sellers.

Plus, there's the matter of Zorn's entire offensive playbook. I have a feeling Sherm probably took one look at it and struggled to keep a poker face.

When people say D. Thomas, Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis are all bums, what is the likelihood of that being true? If ONE of them was terrible, I'd say OK, that individual wasn't what people thought he was. But the fact that all three aren't producing seems to indicate that it's coaching AND the system they're playing in (the system that can't crack 20 points) more than it is a lack of talent/effort on the part of those three.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

DT, MK, FD ALL are BUST!!!!! trade all them busters now

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 12, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

This is in the Insider Rumor section:

NFL Insider Len Pasquarelli had word this past week that enriched the case for Mike Shanahan taking over as head coach of the Washington Redskins for 2010, given that he and Redskins VP Vinny Cerrato have a good relationship based upon their time together with the San Francisco 49ers in the early 1990's.

Yesterday, John Czarnecki of FOXSports.com put forth a report that Snyder had already offered Shanahan the job twice: once this past offseason and once already during the regular season.

With Shanahan pegged as the likely long-term candidate, we next look to who might be the short-term interim coach should a Jim Zorn firing occur before the end of the season. Jason La Canfora of NFL.com posits that special teams coach Danny Smith and secondary coach Jerry Gray are the leading candidates to fill in. Moreover, a change could be made by the Skins' Week Eight bye.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
But there is nothing about a secret Shanahan deal

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

When people say D. Thomas, Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis are all bums, what is the likelihood of that being true? If ONE of them was terrible, I'd say OK, that individual wasn't what people thought he was. But the fact that all three aren't producing seems to indicate that it's coaching AND the system they're playing in (the system that can't crack 20 points) more than it is a lack of talent/effort on the part of those three.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 10:05 AM |

I agree with this. I also, don't think Hixon is a good WR coach and should be relied of his duties.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Come on, lets hear all the JC bashers today... somehow Todd would have won that game right? Todd wouldn't have been running for his life every play? Todd would have kept the muffed punt from happening? Todd would have made DT catch that pass?

I sure hope people are starting to see the REAL problems and QB is not near the top of the list.....

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 12, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is a bum, there is your one. I suspect the other two are as well....

But I get your point.

The team is rotten from the core....there is no single issue. And when any org faces this level of breakdown, you look at upper management.

While I agree with EVERY corny zorny bash, he is still just a symptom not a root cause.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

If Shanahan is dumb enough to come here, do we really want him as a coach. It's really kind of a catch-22.

If he does come, should we take bets on how long it will take for everything to go south.

Posted by: cannontl | October 12, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

for love of all sweet and good can we NOT talk about JC today?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

All of the above...and I dont want John Fox if he gets fired, hell I dont want Shanahan either without a real GM in place. Would love to see Holmgren GM, Shanahan or Gruden as a coach, but my worries with Shanahan is another buddy for Portis...but I will say this - looks like portis has every right to be upset with Sellars.

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

This from Mosely the NFC East Blogga:


It looked like the Redskins were headed toward a 3-2 record at one point in the second half. They had a 15-point lead and you would've thought the Panthers would be ready to fold. But that's not what happened.

The Panthers raced down the field and made it 17-12, and the Skins never really recovered. The huge play was the fourth-quarter punt return on which Byron Westbrook collided with Antwaan Randle El. The Panthers were awarded the ball and they made the Skins pay.

The Redskins are an absolute mess but I'm not sure an in-season coaching change would make all that much difference. They play the Chiefs at FedEx next Sunday. I'd wait to see if they can beat Kansas City. If you lose that game, then go ahead and make the change. But if you win that game, you're hosting the Eagles the following Monday with a chance to go to 4-3.

I'd like to see Zorn get a full season -- even if it's his last. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Snyder go after Mike Shanahan after the season. But Shanahan's not going to accept an interim job. Stick with Zorn and see if he can get a win next Sunday.

It's not like the Redskins played particularly well in the first half Sunday, but they'd done enough to have a 10-2 lead. Then they made it 17-2 in the third quarter. Now, the Jim Zorn watch is on again. The Redskins have brought in offensive consultant Sherman Lewis to try and offer suggestions to Zorn and offensive coordinator Sherman Smith. Either Lewis or defensive coordinator Greg Blache could take over on an interim basis if Dan Snyder fires Zorn.

What a joke that DeAngelo Hall couldn't bring down quarterback Jake Delhomme on a third-and-9 late in the game. Do we blame that on Zorn, too? I agree that Zorn is in over his head right now, but a coaching change isn't going to accomplish anything -- just like an offensive consultant won't.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

P.S. - DHall, I was excited about you coming to our organization. But to let a 40 year old QB drag you downfield like that.....what the....??? Good work buddy....good work. Thud!!

Posted by: httr20081

Lots of people have pointed out how D. Hall was dragged for a few yards for a first down.

The real issue is a veteran DB, who should know better, lost contain in the first place. Look at the tape. He had the outside. But he got suck(er)ed in on the play fake.

Had he NOT been, it would have been a loss, not a first down.

And THEN we could have complained about how Campbell couldn't come up with a winning drive, and what a lousy play caller Zorn is.

Ti coin an old Irish expression, "Oy!"

Posted by: TheCork | October 12, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is another buddy for Portis.

Are you kidding? Shanahan hates Portis and Portis hates Shanahan, that's why CP demanded a trade in the first place and why Shanahan was glad to grant that request. That's one reason why I hope Shanny is the head coach, he can make anybody a good back in this league and would dump the overpaid trash we have in our backfield in a second Betts and CP both....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't Ron Wolf still live in Annapolis?

Why not send the Snydercopter (or whatever the hell the idiot flies around in) over and there and see if he's interested in returning to football as General Manager.

And in mid-flight, drop Vinny out of the whirlybird, just like they did to F. Murray Abraham in "Scarface."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

How does this poll not have "All of the above"

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

we should be able to vote for Danny & Vinny. And Tom Cruise for that matter

Posted by: jpfterps | October 12, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I agree with S. Hixon being relieved of his duties, as well as D. Smith on ST.

I am not a JC basher, but there were plays, including the one with the fumble after the sack that he seems to be looking at his feet alot in the pocket...there were also throws when he was only looking at his WR and Peppers, back on the 1 yard line, they zoomed in and he looked terrified and bewildered...I refuse to believe that the WR can not or will not get open...For F's sake...common sense tells you that if Moss and Cooley are double that at least 1 WR has to be open, RIGHT?

The main problem is not JC, I agree on that, but he does look confused, afraid and lacks energy.

I am more upset over D. Hall's play this season, I saw 2 plays that if he makes a tackle we get the ball back after 3rd down...2

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Painful to watch. Zorn is not the coach we all hoped for. Unfortunately, as long as Li'l Dan and his minion are running the show, this is what we'll get. A real shame what Li'l Dan has done to a once proud franchise.

He's quite literally trashed it.

Posted by: splitbill | October 12, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is ultimately responsible.

But Jim Zorn is definitely responsible for the teams current record.

If Zorn is not the coach I think they win at Detroit and Carolina, making them 4-1 and we aren't even having this conversation.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 12, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Did not know or remember that Shanahan and Portis hated each other...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

It looks like Blount is probably going to be reinstated at Oregon.

I'd draft him - and cut ties with Portis - in a second. And drop Betts - who may not run as fast as I do and I'm 40 - while they're at it.

They'll probably be drafting 6th or 7th in April.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The ESPN Insider article blurb I saw said that Shanahan had a secret deal in place. Was up there around 9am as a link on the main NFL page. But now it's not there. It must have been pulled. Had a rumor tag next to it.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is ultimately responsible.

But Jim Zorn is definitely responsible for the teams current record.

If Zorn is not the coach I think they win at Detroit and Carolina, making them 4-1 and we aren't even having this conversation.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 12, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

We also blow out Tampa and St. Louis. If we don't run left every time in the red zone against St. Louis we probably win that game 27-7. If JZ knew how to adjust play calls to exploit the weaknesses in defensive schemes instead of playing to their strengths, we would have pounded Tampa.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

WTF do these guys (offense) do at practice? Whatever it is that they are working on is NOT working. I am sick of watching other rookies and second year players around the league producing and catching TOUCH DOWNS. It has to be the piss poor coaching that the skins players are receiving

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 12, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I for one am not looking forward to the Mike Shanahan era in DC. Guy never won anything without Elway. Four playoff appearances and one playoff win in the ten seasons he coached after Elway retired. That's okay, but I don't think Snyder (or any of us) want "okay."

And so help me God if I have to read crap about how Shanahan has an "in" because he's tight with Cerrato... that doesn't give me hope for the future! I want Cerrato out of the picture! I don't want to think that being connected with him is a boon to prospective coach candidates. Ugh.

At least we'll be able to "clean house" and sign anybody we want in the uncapped year. Whoop-dee-freakin'-doo. With Shanahan + Cerrato (by way of Snyder) making those decisions, how can we lose? The new brain trust.

What a train wreck this franchise is... good grief.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Zorn, Cerrato and the players are here because of Snyder's incompetance. It all starts at the top.

Posted by: Kev29 | October 12, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Fred Davis is a bum"

Yeah, but he believes he can fly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong Skins fan and have lived my entire life in Upstate NY. Every Sunday I drive down the street to a local sports bar to watch the Skins. When I got there this Sunday I noticed one of the games did not “make the cut” due to the baseball playoffs. Guess what game was not considered "good enough" to be aired? Yup, our disastrous excuse for a professional franchise. How sad this thing has become.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | October 12, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

It looks like Blount is probably going to be reinstated at Oregon.

I'd draft him - and cut ties with Portis - in a second. And drop Betts - who may not run as fast as I do and I'm 40 - while they're at it.

They'll probably be drafting 6th or 7th in April.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse


I wonder how far Blount will fall. I'd like to see:

1st: Russel Okung
2nd: Mike Johnson
3rd: Jeremy Jarmon (sup draft)
4th: LeGarret Blount?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Let's all just storm the owners box next Sunday and grab Snyder....security and police may take down a few dozen of us but they can't stop 90,000 people....it'll be worth it, the ones who die while have statues built in their honor outside Fedex and we'll have our team back...

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | October 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

It looks like Blount is probably going to be reinstated at Oregon.

I'd draft him - and cut ties with Portis - in a second. And drop Betts - who may not run as fast as I do and I'm 40 - while they're at it.

They'll probably be drafting 6th or 7th in April.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The only way I would accept Blount is if they pick him up as a FA if he doesn't get drafted.

The need to pick OL and an LB.

Blount is not some outstanding talent that would solve any of our problems. Why waste a pick on him?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Snyder has some blame. Vinny has some blame but blame him most for not having the stones to stand up to Snyder's kid-with-a-fantasy-football-team freelancing. For the team's recent failings, I blame Zorn most of all. I don't care what anyone says about the quality of the talent on the team. Every coach has to deal with weaknesses in their roster. The problem with this coach is he doesn't deal with them effectively. He doesn't deal with them effectively when he has a week to game plan and he doesn't deal with them effectively when he has to make adjustments during the game. Maybe Zorn will be better once he gets experience, but his time to gain that experience in Washington has expired. He took the job and deep down anyone who accepts a new role has to ask themselves if they are ready for it, is it the right situation, is it the right timing. Zorn answered those questions when he accepted the job knowing full well the situation he was getting into, and now he has to live with the ramifications of that decision. Just like players need to be accountable, so do coaches.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

It feels wrong, but I keep checking other websites expecting to see that Zorn has been fired.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"And so help me God if I have to read crap about how Shanahan has an "in" because he's tight with Cerrato... that doesn't give me hope for the future!"

I'm assuming that's why Snyder is (reportedly) infatuated with Shanahan. The other high profile coaches would want Vinny gone, no?

I, for one, suggest hiring Omar Epps and have him just "act" like Tomlin.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

the ones who die while have statues built in their honor outside Fedex and we'll have our team back...

Remember the FedEx!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 12, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Rooney Rule Irony

Yesterday panthers' defensive coordinator Ron Meeks--who interviewed but wasn't hired with the redskinsas per the Rooney Rule--schemed and beat Jim Zorn who the skins hired thinking he was qualified for the job.

Meeks was a coordinator with the colts, Zorn was a quarterbacks coach with the seahawks.

Zorn got the head coach job and Ron Meeks directed yesterday's beatdown.

Do you think Meeks is happy where he is?

I'd say yeah.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

DT, MK, FD ALL are BUST!!!!! trade all them busters now

Posted by: bhoang888

Unfortunately I have to agree. Fred Davis was a complete waste of a draft pick, Thomas and Kelly still look lost out there. I can't believe we've missed on all 3 of them... I mean, has anyone seen Hakeem Nicks or Mario Manningham for the Giants lately? I'm wondering is it the recievers or is it the coaches to blame for the three of them?

MistaMoe- Fred Davis needs to be benched if he does that one more time. What part doesn't he get that you don't leave your feet like that? These coaches obviously don't coach the players.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 12, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

It feels wrong, but I keep checking other websites expecting to see that Zorn has been fired.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Been doing the same thing since 5 PM yesterday.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Fred Davis is a bum"

Yeah, but he believes he can fly.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Yep, what was that all about? If I weighed 260 I'd keep my feet on the ground and lower a shoulder to get by defenders.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins 2010 draft should look like this:

1 - OT
2 - OG
3 - DE (Jarmon)
4 - C
5 - LB
6 - DE (Jason Taylor WTF???)
7 - OG

The Redskins 2010 Draft will probably look like this:

1 - QB
2 - RB
3 - DE (Jarmon)
4 - Personal Punt Protector
5 - Trade to Denver along with 7th for 6th rounder
6 - 1997 Honda Civic DX
7 - Trade to Denver along with 5th for 6th rounder.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder must fire himself. Since the only language he understands is money, fans need to cough up some tough love and hit him where it hurts. Do not watch, do not attend games. Any new head coach who comes to DC with Snyder using the skins as his fantasy football team will be another Zorn.

Posted by: h0db | October 12, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

RSH, you're actually blaming Zorn for accepting a job offer? Seriously? You think what he should have done was... turn down the opportunity of his lifetime? Huh. Of all the things that people have screwed up in the management and operation of this team, that would not have made my list.

"Yeah, Dan, I understand what you're saying, okay? But I'm not even sure I'm ready to be an offensive coordinator, let alone a head coach, all right?" [Makes funny facial expression.] "I really appreciate it, but jeez, Dan, can't you see you've got the wrong guy here?" [Makes another funny facial expression.] "Do yourself a favor and hire someone else. Anyone but me. Okay?"

Blaming a guy for accepting a job offer... wow.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The only way I would accept Blount is if they pick him up as a FA if he doesn't get drafted.

The need to pick OL and an LB.

Blount is not some outstanding talent that would solve any of our problems. Why waste a pick on him?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

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Well, Blount has talent and will likely fall dramatically in draft position due to the whole punching thing. He's probably a 2nd round talent that will be had in the 4th or 5th round at this point.

There are plenty of other RBs that I would rather have though. The guy from CAL and Spiller from Clemson for example. Both have game breaking speed.

But offensive line is definitely the primary need. As is quarterback. If Shanahan comes here, you know he won't be taking a RB in the first round.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't Ron Wolf still live in Annapolis?

Why not send the Snydercopter (or whatever the hell the idiot flies around in) over and there and see if he's interested in returning to football as General Manager.

And in mid-flight, drop Vinny out of the whirlybird, just like they did to F. Murray Abraham in "Scarface."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Good one...

Posted by: tdskinz | October 12, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is ultimately responsible.

But Jim Zorn is definitely responsible for the teams current record.

If Zorn is not the coach I think they win at Detroit and Carolina, making them 4-1 and we aren't even having this conversation.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 12, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

We also blow out Tampa and St. Louis. If we don't run left every time in the red zone against St. Louis we probably win that game 27-7. If JZ knew how to adjust play calls to exploit the weaknesses in defensive schemes instead of playing to their strengths, we would have pounded Tampa.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

That's my whole point.....yes there are problems on this team, but no team in the league is perfect, you can't possibly look at Denver and tell me they have substantially better players than us. But we have our only decent options at guard inactive so that If/when Samuels goes down we can't slide Heyer to left and BMW to right with Rhino or Montgomery at guard. Batiste had no business being in that stadium as anything but a security guard. Zorn stupidity at Detroit directly cost us 10 points. His moronic playcalling yesterday hurt us again, going for it on 4th and 3 giving them the ball in great field position, the stretch play, the timeouts, then not going for it when you're out of timeouts......this team isn't an elite roster, but terrible coaching is exacerbating the problems, we should be at worst 3-2 right now but certainly we should be 4-1. The offensive ineptitude is all on Zorn as is the game management.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The problem isn't Zorn (or Gibbs, or Spurrier, etc...). The problem is the ownership and management of a team that would hire a Zorn or a Spurrier in the first place (I leave out Gibbs because if it wasn't for nostalgia and loyalty to the team, he never would have taken such a miserable job). Snyder is a toxic owner. The only conditions under which a competent head coach and GM would work for him would have to involve Snyder's complete divorce from football operations, which he won't do because the reason he bought an NFL team in the first place is to make money whether they win or lose, and to have an expensive toy he can play with to delude himself that he is a football genius. Every time you watch a game, or attend his hideously overpriced joke of a stadium, you are enabling him. Time for some tough love.

Posted by: h0db | October 12, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

At dinner Saturday nite in NC, Coach Joe tapes a napkin to his new book and re-names it "Game plan for NFL football." Of coarse Snyder doen't know the difference and leaves said book on his high chair at the Chucky Cheese.

Posted by: tdskinz | October 12, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

WHY CAN'T I VOTE FOR THE ME-ME-ME-MEDIA

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

How can J.C. blow a timeout with almost 9 minutes to go and a first down. Then after the T.O. they run for 3 yards. He may be the dumbest QB in the league.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 12, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I don't disaree, but Grimm turned down the Bears job once believing he wasnt ready...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

F LeGarrette Blount.

The scuttlebutt out here is that supposedly he and his family threatened the U of O with a lawsuit over his completely, 100%, stone-cold-lead-pipe-lock justifiable suspension for punching that idiot from Boise State. A few weeks after releasing what sounded to me like a total BS public apology, they go back-door and threaten the school with a lawsuit. And now the coaching staff look like a-holes because they're probably going to cave and let him back on the team.

Here's a simple rule for ya: don't go get a guy who embarrassed himself and his team with something like, say, stomping on a guy's bare face with your metal cleat with the apparent intent of maiming him as he lays on the ground, or, say, punching some mouthy hayseed after your team lost after you woofed for weeks about how your team was going to win... ugh...

So what I'm saying is, if he's projected to go in, say, the fourth round, we should probably do anything we can to trade up to, say, the second round, to make absolutely sure we get this Blount kid. He's a real prize.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

That's my whole point.....yes there are problems on this team, but no team in the league is perfect, you can't possibly look at Denver and tell me they have substantially better players than us
Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse


Nope, but this is where you sound like Snyder.

Its not the players. Its the team. If you aren't good as a team it doesn't matter how good your players are.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 12, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

How can J.C. blow a timeout with almost 9 minutes to go and a first down. Then after the T.O. they run for 3 yards. He may be the dumbest QB in the league.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 12, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I bet he was telling Zorn that the play wouldn't work because the strong safety was stepping up into the box and Zorn told him to run it anyway.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The only chance the Redskins have to win in the 5 years is if the following happens:
2010 - uncapped year
They hire a real GM and he allowed to make football decisions.
The roster is completely evaualted with each player interviewing for their own job.
Purge the dead weight. Old vets, salary cap holdovers (Portis, ARE (AKA Fair Catch El), O-Line and D Line has beens, D Hall)
Start with the draft and picking up hungry free agents. If Dan Synder has heard of them, then don't pick em up. Washington has to stop being the place "to get paid" and start being the place to win. They can't be both.
I would like to see 30 new players on this team next year.
Snyder is a Marketing guy. He could sell the rebuild. He would have to humble himself in front of the fans and media, but we could cheer for a team that we knew was rebuilding and hungry.
As far as the coaching staff, let the GM worry about that.
Until this happens, please do not give this team your money. No hats, shirts, beer, hot dogs, parking. The only thing Dan understands is money. Once he starts to loose it, we will have attention real quick.

Posted by: timchadwick | October 12, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

regarding that stretch play out of the endzone

Zorn along with everyone else on the planet probably thought Sellars was going to hit someone, hit someone, anyone, hit one of our guys Sellars.

Release Mason and Alrige and sign Kendall and Fabini

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Ron Wolf?

Sure, why not.

But 1st there has to be the admission that whomever has put this team together has failed and should be summarily removed from a position of power.

Until that happens, we're spitting in one hand and catching air in the other.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

How can J.C. blow a timeout with almost 9 minutes to go and a first down. Then after the T.O. they run for 3 yards. He may be the dumbest QB in the league.

Posted by: joeboggs

how ca anyone watch that game and blame it on Campbell, not sure if you noticed SAMUEL GOT HURT, BATISITE AND MIKE WILLIAMS PLAYED.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see what happens when the schedule gets tough.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 9:25 AM

Wait a sec, etrod. You mean this has been the EASY part of it?!

Posted by: 4-12 | October 12, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

FIRE CERRATO

Mike Wise, channeling JlaCa.

"every time I think Jim Zorn's job is coming to an end, I wonder why more people don't bring up Vinny Cerrato's employment...If this year truly implodes in Zorn's second full season as the team's coach, will Snyder play the last card in his deck and jettison his long-time confidante to appease a fan base more incendiary every day?

Since no coach alone can fix this mess -- not even a Hall of Fame-bound coach -- maybe that's the real question the Washington Redskins need to answer."

FIRE CERRATO

Posted by: ThisGuy | October 12, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The Skins draft should go....

1. OT
2. OG
4. LB (move Orakpo to DE) was at the game yesterday and he was horrific in coverage.
5. OL
6. OL
7. OL

If we have even an average O-line we'd be 4-1 maybe even 5-0 (good o-line prevents Osi from stripping JC and returning it for 6).

Meeks and Fox didn't out coach Zorn and he is not the problem. Zorn is just so hand cuffed because of our pitiful O-line.

Posted by: bnfoster | October 12, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Don't we already know the O line is the problem?

Don't you think Serman Lewis will reiterate this?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

You can blame the WR's, or the QB, or the Coach, but the truth is with an O-line that bad, you can't do anything on offense.

Heck, at this point, I won't even judge Portis, Zorn, Campbell, Kelly, etc...because it's a jail break every other play out there.

With Samuels, this was a poor line. Take him out, it can't block a college team.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 12, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

How can J.C. blow a timeout with almost 9 minutes to go and a first down. Then after the T.O. they run for 3 yards. He may be the dumbest QB in the league.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 12, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I bet he was telling Zorn that the play wouldn't work because the strong safety was stepping up into the box and Zorn told him to run it anyway.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

How is JC supposed to look good when his only two instructions from Zorn are:

1) 'Go out there and don't lose the game'
2) 'Run the plays I call or your going to get benched'

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 12, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

You need a Cerrato and Snyder voting option.

Posted by: skabizza | October 12, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Nate - I couldn't agree with you more on Shananhan. While some second time around "big name coaches" do well, lots do not and I think Elway made Shananhan, not the other way around.

I'm against firing Zorn now b/c really, what's the result? Danny Smith as interim HC? No thank you.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Nope, but this is where you sound like Snyder.

Its not the players. Its the team. If you aren't good as a team it doesn't matter how good your players are.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 12, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, but that's the job of the coach. A head coach's job is to create team unity, motivate players, be the heavy hand of discipline when necessary, and mesh a roster of 53 individuals into a unit all pointed in one direction. Zorn does none of this and to make matters worse his offense sucks and that is the one area that was supposed to be a slam dunk for him. It was a terrible hire. Cerrato is a terrible personnel guy and should be drug out in the street and shot like the dog he is. Snyder has made mistakes but at least he's spent money and tried to win. Nothing has worked yet, so yes his ownership has been a terrible era so far, but he can easily turn it around by making the right changes. Get the right personnel guy and the right coach and Snyder is arguably the best owner in the league, their is no resource he'll hold back to help them win....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Denver has turned things around nicely since Shannahan was shown the door...Lets hire him!!

Posted by: scottmando | October 12, 2009 9:48 AM |

While we certainly don't want Denver's castoffs we can look to Denver and have regrets about what might have been. The Skins could have hired Josh McDaniels instead of Zornball. A dude with a pedigree instead of a dude who is a "who's he?". And then to replace Grilliams the we could have snatched up Dick Nolan when he was fired by the Niners. We would be 5-0 and rockin' out.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Here is Sherman Lewis' report to Vinny and Dan Snyder.

"I have coached in the west coast offense for more than 22 years and I have been very successful. Having said that, I have no idea WTF Zorn is running. It's not a west coast version that i'm aware of, to be honest this offense looks like a cluster fuc$. The only way that it can be fixed is to get rid of Zorn and start over. End of report


Posted by: pennstate1 | October 12, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

You can't pin this whole loss on DHall's missed/weak tackle. Yeah, he F'd up seriously on the 3rd down play. But, it would have been 1:20 or less left. Only a chance to keep our hearts racing a little while longer. JC17 and the offense has never scored a TD in this situation. NEVER.

And DHall got you the stop on 4th and goal, plus the INT to the 1 yard line.

There is an overall lack of discipline on the whole team. No accountability.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, suzanne, I waffle (as in everything) on fire Zorn versus... whatever other things I momentarily think the team ought to do.

I guess I'm taking it for granted now that Snyder will blow it up and jettison Zorn and the rest of the coaching staph. Even if Zorn has some upside, I just don't think he's going to get the time and personnel which would really qualify as a fair chance to make it happen.

And I'm taking it for granted that, sadly, Vinny isn't going anywhere.

Good golly, I loathe Dan Snyder.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I think we are forgetting that just because we want people here, it doesn't mean they are going to take the job! Look around the league and guess who will be out of a job at the end of the season and look at the players, ownership, etc. - would this be the place you are looking to go? I mean, Spags totally turned us down and instead opted to go to the RAMS! Who might be owned in part by Rush Limbaugh! Danny needs to make it perfectly clear that he will hand over the reigns and write the checks. Until that happens, no matter how hard we wish, we're not getting anyone in here we really want.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

So, I'm kinda torn in that I missed (?) yesterday's shabingus as ell as the Lions game -- so I'm seeing the 2-1 Skins rather than the 2-3 Skins.
But the performance of the fiesta trio is pretty damning evidence in my mind of a coaching failure. At least one outlet had the trio all listed as "5-star" (I think Mario Manningham as the only other one) hen they came out.
Cerrato could make mistakes -- I don't get why we picked a TE -- but when all three are ineffective, and two other solid pros are less than totally productive, then, my friends, you have an offensive coordinator problem.
On defense, the total is apporximately equal to the sum of the parts, and crawling back up to that elite status.
On offense, in spite of the lack of both quality and depth on the line, the equation is off.

Posted by: daggar | October 12, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Here is Sherman Lewis' report to Vinny and Dan Snyder.

"I have coached in the west coast offense for more than 22 years and I have been very successful. Having said that, I have no idea WTF Zorn is running. It's not a west coast version that i'm aware of, to be honest this offense looks like a cluster fuc$. The only way that it can be fixed is to get rid of Zorn and start over. End of report.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 12, 2009 11:07 AM |

Wrong use of WTF. Should have been WTF do you expect with the personnel you have assembled, with emphasis on the azz part of assembled.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Denver has turned things around nicely since Shannahan was shown the door...Lets hire him!!

Posted by: scottmando | October 12, 2009 9:48 AM |

While we certainly don't want Denver's castoffs we can look to Denver and have regrets about what might have been. The Skins could have hired Josh McDaniels instead of Zornball. A dude with a pedigree instead of a dude who is a "who's he?". And then to replace Grilliams the we could have snatched up Dick Nolan when he was fired by the Niners. We would be 5-0 and rockin' out.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

5 games is not a turn around. Its a great start, they still haven't won anything yet. Lets wait and see how season 1 of the McDaniels tenure ends before we crown him the savior of Denver and a better coach than Shanahan. Remember when Zorn beat the Eagles and Cowboys on the road and started 6-2? A lot can happen in a season and Denver hasn't won anything but a nice story so far.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Come on, lets hear all the JC bashers today... somehow Todd would have won that game right? Todd wouldn't have been running for his life every play? Todd would have kept the muffed punt from happening? Todd would have made DT catch that pass?

I sure hope people are starting to see the REAL problems and QB is not near the top of the list.....

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 12, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Rypien11, unfortunately many Redskins fans on this blog has shown they are just as ignorant to the true problems of this franchise much like our Owner. Aside from management issues, the #1 problem last year was the Oline, and magically once again this year is the Oline.

But they will find a way to blame JC because they don't know any better. I used to think we had knowledgeable fans in D.C.

Posted by: gcoles32 | October 12, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Team...sheam...can Shanahan block? Unless he can, his results will be similiar with this offense.

You can't gameplan around THAT offensive line, which is truly offensive.

I keep seeing talk of accountability, bad coaching, etc...this team lacks any kind of an offensive line. It starts there, and if it's bad, it ends there.

You can't run behind that line.
You can't throw downfield with that line.
You have to throw out half of the playbook with that line.


Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 12, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Just awful....

Posted by: mattylight | October 12, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Lol, current Daniel Snyder page on Wikipedia (no, I didn't do it...). Scroll down to the paragraph just above "Six Flags"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Snyder

Posted by: h0db | October 12, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

From Vinny Cerrato:
My dear fans, my heart is broken when I read all your bashings towards me and my wonderful and awesome care giver Danny boss; If it makes you happy I will summon the media at noon to announce that I will resign effective immediately. Signed: Barno = Cerrato.

Wouldn’t this be wonderful news??

Posted by: riceldi | October 12, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

the problems are multiple.
One Dan Snyder is a Business Man not a Football Man. He needs to hire a GM of Football Operations and stay the hell out of the way.
Hopefully the new GM will fire Cerrato. He is not a good judge of talent. Our draft picks (overall) for the past several years speak to that.
Jim Zorn is not ready to be a head coach. Who else in NFL history has gone from position coach to head coach? and any with success?
Jason Campbell is not an NFL elite QB. If he played behind the line and mind of Joe Gibbs 92 team (remember Mark Rypien) he would be pretty successful but not a year after year threat (Manning, Rivers, Brees, fill in your favorite)
The OL bites the big one.

Posted by: scottboren | October 12, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

GCOLES everyone knows the O Line sucks! we have been talking about it since before the draft. My question to you is what makes you think Jason Campbell had such a stellar game... The offense sustained ONE drive!!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 12, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Looks like we'll probably be drafting high enough to take an elite tackle like Russell Okung from Oklahoma State, or Trent Williams from Oklahoma.

If we get Okung, I think Chris Samuels can move to RT. Then the line would need a guard to replace Randy Thomas.

If Snyder and Vinny have their way though, you know they will go after a QB in the first round, especially if they have an opportunity to go after Sam Bradford.

And the wildcard of course is what they do in free agency. They may try to fill the offensive line needs with vets to free the resources to go after a top QB prospect.

I can only hope they draft Okung...

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Where's all of the above?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 12, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

am i the only one who thinks our scouting department needs to be added to the list of constant failure. think about it how meaning of a our free agent signings pan out. what about our draft picks(that we don't trade away) i keep hearing that kelly, thomas, davis are bust and the coaching staff seems to be taking a lot of flack for not coaching them up but two of those guys are injury prone and were so in college. and there's the attitude problems they displayed early on. with the exception of the first round our draft picks rarely make serious contributions or develop. talent evaluation here stinks they get free agents or trade for players that might be good players in their roles and misuse them, as well as overpay(archuleta, jason taylor). we don't value our own players that actually are worht something.(pierce, young smoot now rogers)
by the way with all the talk of rogers having bad hands and so many wanting him gone b/c he doesn't get INT's does no one notice people don't throw at him they throw at the overpaid but more "exciting" dhall that so many thought was so much better than los b/c he holds on to picks. here's the problem qb's would rather throw at him b/c they know there guy can beat him. los does have hands of stones but his guy is almost never open that is worht it all day everyday. wow that rant kinda got away from me.

Posted by: cornix | October 12, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

First of all it is Mike Nolan not Dick. Dick Nolan (who I believe is Mike's dad) is dead so I am not sure how well he would coach. Also in case you forgot, Mike Nolan was D coordinator under Turner and the Defense sucked.

Posted by: lifelongfan | October 12, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I think you judge Blount a little harshly. You can't really expect guys who are asked to play a game as violently as possible to act like choir boys while in the heat of the moment. Blount probably would have taken his seething rage into the lockerroom had he not been provoked. I think Blount definitely should have been suspended but not for the remainder of the year. And there is nothing inconsistent about apologizing and at the same time asserting your rights if you believe you are being treated unfairly or inconsistently with past practice.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Reviewing the running game:
I see Portis playing one more year in Washington but his roll will decrease over that time. Betts and Rock will be gone in 2010. The Skins will rely on Marcus and AA for the roles that are left by Betts and Rock. They will draft a running back in the early rounds and bring him along slow while you have Portis and Marcus carrying the load for 2010.
Marcus is being under used at this time because he is hitting the holes much harder than Portis and with more speed at this moment.

Tell me what you think.......

Posted by: thebanker21 | October 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers on changes needed: "it starts with ownership."

Welp, looks like he's not getting a contract extension....

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Draft Blout = Start Brennan = Bench Campbell/Start Collins.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 12, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

GCOLES everyone knows the O Line sucks! we have been talking about it since before the draft. My question to you is what makes you think Jason Campbell had such a stellar game... The offense sustained ONE drive!!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 12, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

You continue to place the blame on Campbell even as you state how terrible the O-Line is. Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady behind this line.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | October 12, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

excuse me if I'm out in left fiend but it seems to me that the problem with this team is trying to make players play what fits the offensive and defensive schemes rather than putting together schemes that fit the personnel...hello?? anybody out there seeing this also?? With JC you have a guy who could be great as a prototypical drop back passer throwing it down the field but we have this West Coast offense that really isnt one because we are stuck with CP26 who isnt the scat back type of runner that thwe WC needs, nor is JC the type of QB the WC needs.. Our OL is a mess and had a very slim chance of staying healthy and everything working out for this year..it didnt happen and the whole world could see it coming in spite of our quiet hopes that it would work out.. On defense we have dominant players in LL and BO playing out of position for the most part and being forced to play where they are less productive...what were the chances that this was all going to work out?? Why couldnt management see this and fill the holes with guys who fit our needs?? JZ is in over his head but he is just a symptom of the disease that is killing this team from the top.. WE NEED A PLAN FROM A REAL GM

Posted by: scottmando | October 12, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Fail to the Redskins, fail hideously.

I agree with a previous poster - hit Napoleon Bonaparte in his pockets, don't buy or pay for anything Redskin related.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 12, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Lol, current Daniel Snyder page on Wikipedia (no, I didn't do it...). Scroll down to the paragraph just above "Six Flags"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Snyder

Posted by: h0db | October 12, 2009 11:16 AM |

As anyone can see from reading his Wiki bio, Dan Snyder was a very successful businessman at a very early age. The mystery is that there have been nothing but dry holes in his ten years of making aggessive brass ring moves as owner of the Redskins. How could one person be so good and then so bad? Is the business of professinal football that different from other businesses?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

2 - 14? 3 - 13?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 12, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Who is responsible for devising the blocking schemes for play calls in the WCO.

Nobody feels that Buges is responsible for the so called pitiful state of the O-Line.

I refuse to believe the O-Line is pitiful because we just have sorry butt players like everyone seems to indicate.

But, if it is really true that we have sorry butt players for the O-Line, which I don't agree, then is it really the fault of the organization for not upgrading it?

Or, is it the fault of Buges for not standing up and telling whomever that the all the O-Line sucks and needs to be replaced?

Is it Zorns fault as the HC for keeping sorry O-Line players and not replacing them?

Or, is it Vinny's fault as a GM for not upgrading the O-Line?

When you consider all of this, at the end of the day you have to go with what you have.

To me, whomever is responsible for devising the scheme to fit the playcalling for the WCO O-Line is the culprit.

Whether that is Zorn or Buges, or both, then they are equally responsbile for the sorry state of the O-Line.

You see I refuse to believe that the reason this O-Line is bad just because we have sorry butt players.

It is the training, the scheming, and using what you have to the best of their ablilities and Buges is square in the middle of this crap.

So what, you don't have pro-bowl caliber O-Liners, but I am here to tell, any Professional competent staff should at least get any unit to play AVERAGE!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

GCOLES everyone knows the O Line sucks! we have been talking about it since before the draft. My question to you is what makes you think Jason Campbell had such a stellar game... The offense sustained ONE drive!!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 12, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

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Geez, how much football at any level do you need to watch to know that if you can't block anybody, nothing will work?

NO QB will perform behind such a crappy offensive line. No playbook, no WR, certainly no RB.

It starts there, and if it sucks, it ends there. Discussion about other positions is almost fruitless when the line is this bad.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 12, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Bring in Russ Grim. Prioritize the offensive line at the expense of everything else, let it get up to speed, then address other areas in the second rebuilding year.

And then one day you wake up and you're the Rams.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 12, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Haven't seen those 6 little letters up here today:

WR-TE-WR

Posted by: 4-12 | October 12, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I see Portis playing one more year in Washington but his roll will decrease over that time. Betts and Rock will be gone in 2010. The Skins will rely on Marcus and AA for the roles that are left by Betts and Rock. They will draft a running back in the early rounds and bring him along slow while you have Portis and Marcus carrying the load for 2010.
Marcus is being under used at this time because he is hitting the holes much harder than Portis and with more speed at this moment.

Tell me what you think.......

Posted by: thebanker21 | October 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

____________________

It's pretty common for a RB to be able to come in right away and contribute. Doesn't make sense to draft on early and then bring them along slowly.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

As anyone can see from reading his Wiki bio, Dan Snyder was a very successful businessman at a very early age. The mystery is that there have been nothing but dry holes in his ten years of making aggessive brass ring moves as owner of the Redskins. How could one person be so good and then so bad? Is the business of professinal football that different from other businesses?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I sell businesses for a living, I deal with business owners of all types from successful to horrible and everything in between. While certainly being a competent businessman, good leader, excellent manager, motivator, and attention to details certainly improves your odds at being successful, I have seen plenty of great businessman go broke and plenty of horrible business owners hit it big time. Timing, product, demand, and just plain luck have a lot do with things as well. Just because Snyder made money doesn't necessarily mean he's a great businessman. I would argue he's done pretty well from a business standpoint with the Redskins, though he has proven he is not a great manager, leader, PR guy, or evaluator of talent. (not just players but staff i.e.- Cerrato)

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

You continue to place the blame on Campbell even as you state how terrible the O-Line is. Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady behind this line

TOM BRADY ISNT TOM BRADY BEHIND HIS CURRENT LINE EITHER.. The NFL is like Nascar..the difference between the good teams and the bad ones is very minimal but it shows up when something small is lacking...NE isnt what they were 2 years ago even now that they have Brady back...In Washington, we need a GM who can see what small problems we have and fix them. We don't need to blow up the team. We need a guy who can come in and say this is what you should be doing with the personnel you have and these are the areas you need to address immediately in the draft and through free agency..We have some good players, but we have some good players playing postions that they don't excell in and guys playing in schemes they aren't suited for. We need a guy who can best utilize what we have and go get what we need. Its as simple as that

Posted by: scottmando | October 12, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Lol, current Daniel Snyder page on Wikipedia (no, I didn't do it...). Scroll down to the paragraph just above "Six Flags"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Snyder

Posted by: h0db | October 12, 2009 11:16 AM |

I cant believe it is up there. They have to get that down at some point. However, it is pretty damn funny.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 12, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

You see I refuse to believe that the reason this O-Line is bad just because we have sorry butt players.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 11:33 AM

This is why people call you an idiot Larry.

Posted by: mack1 | October 12, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

On OT off the FA market. Get a FA OT in here to help the OL.
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Packers sign Tauscher, place Blackmon on injured reserve
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 12, 2009 11:30 AM ET
Packers G.M. Ted Thompson is looking to the past to help fix the team's offensive line woes of the present.

The team announced Monday they have signed right tackle Mark Tauscher, who started 120 games for the franchise between 2000-2008.

The move was widely expected after the 32-year-old worked out for the team last week following Green Bay's rough performance against the Vikings in Week Four.

Tauscher is coming off ACL surgery, and won't solve Green Bay's problems on his own. But the team is also hopeful to get back starting left tackle Chad Clifton from injury this week for their home game against the Lions.

To make room for Tauscher, the team placed Will Blackmon on injured reserve with his own torn ACL. Blackmon was third in the NFL in 2008 in combined kick and punt return yards.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

You see I refuse to believe that the reason this O-Line is bad just because we have sorry butt players.
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This comment reflects the belief of managemnet.

You can refuse to believe it, because it is easier to think that just replacing the coach, or QB, or Oline coach, or even just the VP, will by itself transform this team into a winner.

The truth is, this team is far away, needs a complete overhaul of its offensive line, a GM, an owner that changes his role to signing checks, possibly a QB though there is no way to tell with this Oline, possibly a new coach though it is hard to say after 20 games with this Oline, possibly a new RB but it is hard to say with this Oline, better WR's but it is hard to say with this Oline, and more depth almost everywhere.

The truth hurts.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 12, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

am i the only one who thinks our scouting department needs to be added to the list of constant failure ...

Posted by: cornix | October 12, 2009 11:24 AM |

LMAO. If you heard the JJ rant against the Skins on the Fox pregame, one of the negs that he listed was something to the effect that "the scouting department trucks around the country gathering intel only to be ignored by the FO". First off, of all the criticisms of the Skins that have surfaced (JC, Z, OL, WRs, etc.) this was a new one that most of us had never heard before. Second off, it is the neg of what you are saying.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I can only hope they draft Okung...

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse
Definitely agree. To bring Okung in and have Samuels on the other side instantly upgrades the line. But yeah, they'll probably try to get a freakin QB and ignore the talent at OT that's been there for the past several drafts. Only hope is that maybe a QB drops in the second round that has first round talent

Posted by: ga8085 | October 12, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

There are anywhere from 6 to 10 solid QB prospects in this draft.....there are 2 elite tackles.....hopefully but certainly unlikely that if Cerrato is still making decisions we'll go Tackle round one qb round 2.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

***Fantasy Post***

I am 5-0! And I somehow didn't play a kicker this week! Sorry, had to brag, it was the only sports-related bright spot of my weekend!

***End Fantasy Post***

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

There are anywhere from 6 to 10 solid QB prospects in this draft.....there are 2 elite tackles.....hopefully but certainly unlikely that if Cerrato is still making decisions we'll go Tackle round one qb round 2.

Posted by: zjfr2

QB? With this line Sammy Baygh would look like crap

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Definitely agree. To bring Okung in and have Samuels on the other side instantly upgrades the line. But yeah, they'll probably try to get a freakin QB and ignore the talent at OT that's been there for the past several drafts. Only hope is that maybe a QB drops in the second round that has first round talent

Posted by: ga8085 | October 12, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

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It looks like Jevan Snead and Colt McCoy have diminished their draft stature a bit. I don't know that either of them would fall outside the first round though. But the Washington Huskies QB has jumped ahead of them both as the 2nd QB right now behind Bradford.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm not against firing Zorn, and it will probably happen as soon as the Chiefs game, if they lose it.

The man doesn't get it. His version of the WCO is apparently unknown to anyone else in the league. Worse, his postgame demeanor is downright delusional.

Are we still "making progress?"

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

With the errors our special teams made how could anyone want Danny Smith to be interim head coach? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Posted by: will_ga | October 12, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Enjoying "the day America was discovered" - LMBAO!

Knocking some tunes... playing the NFC title game... against the 49ers...

in 2018

"Keep On Moving" - Soul II Soul

Posted by: RedDMV | October 12, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

You continue to place the blame on Campbell even as you state how terrible the O-Line is. Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady behind this line

TOM BRADY ISNT TOM BRADY BEHIND HIS CURRENT LINE EITHER.. The NFL is like Nascar..the difference between the good teams and the bad ones is very minimal but it shows up when something small is lacking...NE isnt what they were 2 years ago even now that they have Brady back...In Washington, we need a GM who can see what small problems we have and fix them. We don't need to blow up the team. We need a guy who can come in and say this is what you should be doing with the personnel you have and these are the areas you need to address immediately in the draft and through free agency..We have some good players, but we have some good players playing postions that they don't excell in and guys playing in schemes they aren't suited for. We need a guy who can best utilize what we have and go get what we need. Its as simple as that

Posted by: scottmando | October 12, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

That being said, it will be difficult to hire such a qualified GM who can do these things for us with control freak DANNY looking over his shoulder all the time asking questions like my 8 year old because he doesnt understand...Nobody wants to work for Snyder for anything other than the big salary they can get because they all know they have the leverage when it comes to dealing with DANNY. Coming to work for Danny is like reaching 3rd base...its the last stop on your way home. One more big payday and call it a career..

Posted by: scottmando | October 12, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Don't think Shanahan is the answer...he won nothing after Elway retired in Denver and his personnel moves as GM were questionable at best. I'd rather see the Skins try to hire a GM first, possibly Ron Wolf if he would come out of retirement, or another experienced NFL personnel man. That person should then be tasked with hiring the head coach and it doesn't have to be a big name like Gruden, Shanahan, etc.

I seriously doubt any retired smart coach like Cowher, Dungy, or Holmgren would EVER consider coaching here given Snyder's toxic management style. Changes need to begin at the top and that starts with Danny being accountable and firing Cerrato for all of the poor personnel moves over the years.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 12, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins 2010 draft should look like this:

1 - OT
2 - OG
3 - DE (Jarmon)
4 - C
5 - LB
6 - DE (Jason Taylor WTF???)
7 - OG

The Redskins 2010 Draft will probably look like this:

1 - QB
2 - RB
3 - DE (Jarmon)
4 - Personal Punt Protector
5 - Trade to Denver along with 7th for 6th rounder
6 - 1997 Honda Civic DX
7 - Trade to Denver along with 5th for 6th rounder.

Posted by: Original_etrod |


We draft well in the 1st and 7th rounds. Otherwise, we trade the pics or Vinny and Danny just throw darts at board filled with names.

I think our drafting is starting to improve, but it takes years to build a team and we're starting behind.

Posted by: lordtwang | October 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

It's a good point re Tom Brady and his O-line.

However, I've watched three of their games this year, and it isn't just the NE O-line.

There is something seriously wrong with The Golden Boy's mechanics. Whether it's a result of the knee injury, the year+ layoff, or a new injury he's keeping quiet about (i.e., the Albert Haynesworth shoulder-crush in preaseason) is unknown.

But he ain't himself.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Mack1, you came back out.

Shaunsherman12,

"You see I refuse to believe that the reason this O-Line is bad just because we have sorry butt players"

SS12, there is wisdom behind that statement, for the very reasons that you sight about overhauling coaches and players is the very reason we have sorry O-Line players.

You guys are not seeing THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. This staff, put together with the Owners approval is as bad as the sorry O-Line that everybody wants to point fingers at.

And this staff includes Buges, whom everybody wants to give a pass.

He gets no pass from me.

And again, the O-line is not bad because we have sorry O-Line players, it is bad because we have a sorry staff that is not training and preparing the players properly.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

New nickname for Mike Sellers. "The Matador".

Posted by: VegasJim | October 12, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

How is Snyder not 100%? He made the decisions that have cost this team, not just this season so far, but since he's owned tham, and until he doesn't. Too bad you can't fire the owner!! Snyder SUCKS!!!!Can we start taht cheer on Sunday at FedEx? That would be hilarious!!!!

Posted by: jwash4472 | October 12, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

No QB can play well behind this O-line = No coach can succeed with this FO

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody notice that we are paying $5 MILLION in cap space to BRANDON LLOYD this year (who hasn't played here in 2 years, and was terrible when he did)? Thanks Snyder and Cerrato!

Posted by: jviv | October 12, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody notice that we are paying $5 MILLION in cap space to BRANDON LLOYD this year (who hasn't played here in 2 years, and was terrible when he did)? Thanks Snyder and Cerrato!

Posted by: jviv | October 12, 2009 12:18 PM |

Thanks Joe Gibbs he made that trade there is plenty of blame for Snyder and Cerrato, no need to blame them for things Gibbs did.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 12, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Benchcampbell, Yes, I did watch the game. What I saw from the game, was that the Redskins were in a position to win late in the game despite horrendous line play and a lead blocker that blocks NO ONE, and a receiver who drops a perfectly thrown bomb that hits him squarely in the hands. Our QB did what he was asked to do. He threw no interceptions and didn't fumble, he capitalized on the short fields that he was given and we scored in the RedZone. This team was built to win on defense, and when the game was on the line they allowed the Panthers to score untouched on 2 consequtive plays, and DHall's bad tackling eliminated any chance of a final drive to perhaps win the game. To call out people to blame Campbell for this loss is idiotic.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 12, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

On WTEM, Zorn just said he was "impressed" (twice) with the effort by the players yesterday.

I told you he was delusional.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I think our #1 issue is offensive line. We need to pickup Levi Jones and move him in at right tackle. We should keep BMW at right guard. This is a stop gap solution only for this year. We draft Russel Okung in the first and Mike Johnson in the second.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Joe Gibbs he made that trade there is plenty of blame for Snyder and Cerrato, no need to blame them for things Gibbs did.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 12, 2009 12:26 PM

Flounder21,

Your recall also points out why Gibbs was never the same in his evaluation of players once Beathard left. Gibbs also picked Desmond Howard and Casserly aloud it along with the breakup of the Posse.

To have a good GM is golden along with a good coach. Good coaches left to themselves can make terrible personnel moves.

Good coaches need good GM's and if my recall is correct, once Bobby Beathard left did we not win another Super Bowl.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I just slapped myself in the face when I read the following quote from DeAngelo Hall over on the Washington Times site...

"We thought we had it won," Hall said. "We thought we had put up enough points - 17 ought to get us a win."

This freakin guy thinks 17 points is enough to do it in the NFL!! Has he been drug tested?? Hey Hall, the Chiefs put up 20 points dummy.

Yikes!!

Posted by: httr20081 | October 12, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

No QB can play well behind this O-line = No coach can succeed with this FO

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

EXACTLY!

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 12, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

For those people that label the trio of receivers (Thomas, Kelly and Davis) as "bums" or "disappointments", please look at yesterday's stats a little closer. The trio actually got 7 catches yesterday, which is nothing to brag about but it points out that Jason Campbell was probably told to use them more. Oh, by the way, guess who did not catch a single pass yesterday, Chris Cooley that is who! Is he a bum or a disappointment? Probably not, but it just points out that the problem is not the receivers but the passer, who still focuses on only his primary options but does not have the field awareness to even look at his "best" receiver from the previous 4 games if in trouble. Come on, you can't tell me that Cooley was covered every time! Even the announcers were perplex that Jason does not even look his way for the whole game. Please put Collins in for just one game so that I can at least see if there are any differences.

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 12, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Enjoyed reading most of these posts today, some good thoughts. A welcome departure from the norm. Yesterday I read a blog slamming Rinehart for his play in the game, (he was inactive) this was in the postgame chat room. Sad part was the host of the chatroom who agreed with him. Come on guys start educating yourself.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 12, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, suggest hiring Omar Epps and have him just "act" like Tomlin.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

LOOOL!!! Pure comic gold

Posted by: Ejayraptor | October 12, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins 2010 draft should look like this:

1 - OT
2 - OG
3 - DE (Jarmon)
4 - C
5 - LB
6 - DE (Jason Taylor WTF???)
7 - OG

The Redskins 2010 Draft will probably look like this:

1 - QB
2 - RB
3 - DE (Jarmon)
4 - Personal Punt Protector
5 - Trade to Denver along with 7th for 6th rounder
6 - 1997 Honda Civic DX
7 - Trade to Denver along with 5th for 6th rounder.

Posted by: Original_etrod |


We draft well in the 1st and 7th rounds. Otherwise, we trade the pics or Vinny and Danny just throw darts at board filled with names.

I think our drafting is starting to improve, but it takes years to build a team and we're starting behind.

Posted by: lordtwang | October 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse


I agree this everything on your list except for number 1. Number 1 should be QB if Sam Bradford is available. This would be an opportunity to address that position for the next decade.

This is the opportunity to do things right once and for all. This organization is flawed. Blow it up.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | October 12, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The plusses of bringing in Shanahan:
- a professional coach.
- a chance to clean house.

The negatives of bringing in Shanahan:
- Vinny will probably stay on board.

That means we will have a slight turnaround for a year or two, maybe a playoff appearance, but then will be back dumpster diving soon thereafter. Why? Because as the team gets more and more successful, Danny (and Vinny) assert their influence more since they want to take credit for the glory.

I just wonder about one critical question. When these lazy players realize that change is REALLY coming - and there will be a total house cleaning - will they actually start to play? Like REALLY play? Play like they are auditioning for a new job, as they surely will be.

And so run this through, if we get hungry players...we might actually win some games. Then it begs the question...

Could you fire Zorn with a 10-6 record? Or a 9-7 record. If he makes the playoffs, can you really fire him?

I suspect no. Which means that even if they win their next two games, Snyder will cut Zorn at the bye so as not to even put himself in a sticky situation at years end.

Firing a coach who is 5-3 is UGLY. Firing a coach who is 4-4 is UGLY. Firing a coach 3-5 is UGLY.

But if these bums actually win the next two games, Snyder has a real quandary. If they go 5-3 into the bye, canning a winning coach mid-season would subject Danny boy to the highest level of ridicule. Peers, press, fans alike. But he risks the fact that Zorn may make the playoffs. Then it gets even deeper. You put that quandary inside an enigma at that point. Can you fire a coach who makes the playoffs with this ugly bunch? If you do, you get the mystical Shanahan and a chance to clean house. If you don't you are stuck with a coach who may have won on a fluke season and a bunch of overpaid, average players.

This is gonna be ugly any way you slice it! A lot of folks are going to be unemployed in the next year, imho. Hope these players are ready for free agency. With the performances I've seen thus far on the field - EVERYONE is going to get a big a55 paycut!

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | October 13, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

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