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VP of Public Relations Is Fired

Jason Reid reports...

Chris Helein, the Redskins' vice president of public relations, has been let go. He served two full seasons as the team's top media relations official.

"They decided to go in another direction, which is their right," Helein said. "I appreciate the opportunity I've had with the organization."

Helein began with the Redskins as an intern in 1991 and remained with the team until 1999. Before rejoining the Redskins in June of 2006, he spent four years with Comcast Sports Net.

"I'm proud of the work we did, and of being part of the organization the past two seasons, especially last season," Helein said. "With all the difficult times we went through together, I'm very proud to have been a part of it."

By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  February 27, 2008; 8:55 PM ET
 
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First!!.....beer tonight will be a Beez Neez!

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"vice president of public relations, has been let go. He served two full seasons as the team's top media relations official."

How does that work?

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

It's kind of like Homer naming himself Junior Vice President of his own company, Compuhyperglobalmeganet

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

If this guy was the VP of PR, what does Karl Swanson do?

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

PROCESS!!!

Posted by: novus_0 | February 27, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Of all the guys that should be fired at Redskins Park, this has to be number one. I can't believe he has held the job this long. Dan Snyder should spend as much money on PR as he does on a head coach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Sween, maybe Karl Swanson is the Junior Vice President?

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

If this guy was the VP of PR, what does Karl Swanson do?

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2008 09:13 PM

He fixes up those Hungry Man dinners.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 27, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"Sween, I'm just not sure that Safety is that big a need at this stage. ..."

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 06:46 PM

Since when is denying the deep ball not a big need? Also, kost, you're a lot funner when you're drunk ... or maybe that's me ... you're alot funner when I'm drunk. How could they go wrong with another safety from the Rams? Lightning striking twice in the same place? Yes, I concede he will be costly (costlier than the Rams will afford), but as an RFA, the Skins would only be bidding against the Rams (which means he would be cheaper now than next season). I'm just saying #21 for #21 ... its only his fourth season ... btwn him and LaRon, they could put the NASTY in dynasty for a long time ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't this dude tight with Jasno? I think I remember his name being mentioned in some posts.

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, Mr. Helein didn't handle PR as well as the management handled the head coach hiring process.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 27, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Is it Friday yet?


I like how they advertise "write like a pro" software on JLC's blog.

JLC should order it to help with his spelling issues because Hooked on Phonics did NOT work for JLC.

Posted by: filmchis | February 27, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

This Helein fellas was the brains of the operation (at least the media face) during the Sean Taylor tragedy. Also, I remember him on the TV during that preseason game against Jacksonville that got called due to lightning. Concedely, the former was more important than the latter, but still I have nothing but good vibes for this poor schmuck ... his job was to apply the lipstick to the pig that is the Skins' FO ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

So does that voided contract on Brunell mean he's a free agent now?

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

kost, just kidding about you not being fun ... its just the rain on my parade ... with all your "logic" and "reality" ... well daggumit, its just not as fun!

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Sween, denying the deep ball is always a big need. I just think we did a pretty good job of it without Sean. I'm not saying it's a terrible move, like you said, it would once again give us the best safety tandem in the league. I guess it depends on how we go in free agency, if we can nab a Hackett/Johnson, and maybe some CB depth, then I'd definitely be more open to your proposal.

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Haha Sween that's okay, when I first read that I thought to myself, wow, guess I need to drink more!

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Not simply the best safety tandem in the league ... it would put the "nasty" in dynasty. [I'm thinking when I sober up that turn of the phrase will be less clever than it feels now.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"... because Hooked on Phonics did NOT work for JLC."

Posted by: filmchis | February 27, 2008 09:20 PM

Yes, but he's been jamming on Hooedk no Pohincs.

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

So does that voided contract on Brunell mean he's a free agent now?

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2008 09:22 PM

Yes. His agent's discussing a three-year deal with the Patriots.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Is it surprising to you guys to hear that Stephen Davis will be getting signed by Carolina, just so he can retire as a Panther?

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind a three-year deal for Brunell. How much for 1997, 1998, and 2000?

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 27, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Sween, if we're looking at trading for a safety, we could have a look at Michael Huff from the Raiders, he's apparently being shopped around. While he's not as good as Atogwe (yet), he won't have to trade away our 1st Rnd pick to get him.

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I vote no on any trade that has us losing picks. If anything I would be shopping around anyone who can go for a later round pick so we can add through the draft. Who we got on contract that no longer is part of the foreseeable future of the franchise. Speaking of future of the Franchise, am I the only one who thinks that they should give Buzbee another look for some time at DE?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 27, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many draft pick will we end up giving Denver for their top media relations official?

Posted by: mack1 | February 27, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

alex35332 - I've got no problem with getting more time into Buzbee, my worry though is that he'll end up being more of a pass rush specialist. Not that we don't need that. Just that I think Chris Wilson is in front of him at the moment.

Talking about pass rush specialists, I noticed that Chris Clemons is a free agent this year, he had 8 sacks last season.

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

sween and kost52...

would you guys mind Atari Bigby from the Packers...i think that guy can really play...i would probably get him before i would offer asante samuel and offer...atari might cost use 6-7 mil per year but that is well woorth it...

then in the draft we can address either WR..(tall guy)..or DE...i really depends on who falls for us...if Malcolm Kelly is still there is say draft him if not look if limas sweed is available..if not then go with ay DE...of course the best one availab..that position is really deep this year.....

i also woulnd mind drafting a DT from Maryland...i read an artcle on him supposedly he is good and raised his stock in the combine...but it depens how the 1st round plays out..if we get a DE...try to go at James Hardy...

and i dont think CB is as much of a problem as DE, and WR...but is Jenkins or Aqib Talib is still there in the first..we may have many tough decisions...

i would look at Drayton Florxce from the Chargers in free-agency..look at this site

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=NFL&columnid=59&articleid=29990

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | February 27, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

go to james hardy of course in the second round....

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | February 27, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

CONTINUITY

Posted by: thediesel | February 27, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | February 27, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I was looking for the part where this PR guy was a "class act" who was disrespected by the 'Skins.

Then I realized Jason Reid, not JLC, reported the story.

Posted by: SonnyFan | February 27, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

the_crazy_one17 - If that's the type of money Florence is going to get, then I doubt we go after him. I doubt we'll put so much money into 4 CB's (Springs, Smoot, Rogers, Florence).

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Is it surprising to you guys to hear that Stephen Davis will be getting signed by Carolina, just so he can retire as a Panther?

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 09:58 PM

After being emasculated by Michael Westbrook and then left for garbage by the ole ball coach, I have to say that I don't find this news that surprising.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 27, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"Is it surprising to you guys to hear that Stephen Davis will be getting signed by Carolina, just so he can retire as a Panther?

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 09:58 PM "


I find this beyond nauseating.....One of my all time fave Skins...

F Steve Spurrier....worst skins coach in my lifetime....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Okay, just did some searching, Karl Swanson is Dan's PR guy, while Helein was the team's PR guy.

I was also right in thinking I had heard him mentioned in a post once before, back in November -

Chris Helein Speaks - Says Mort Got It Wrong
Heard back from Chris Heiien, chief of Skins PR - he says the players got every ticket they would normally get and in fact there were a few left over. He called the ESPN report "totally wrong," and said there no validity to it at all.

Obviously, we can't talk to the players while they are warming up, but if there was anything weird going on there is no way it wouldn't come out. Guys would tell me. Can't imagine the team would lie about this, given that very fact, and Helein, who has always been a straight shooter with me and has been great to work with, was confused as to how ESPN even got this info.

By Jason La Canfora | November 18, 2007; 3:19 PM ET

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

CL/drbatchelor

Yeah, not surprising but disappointing. Especially since he played 7 seasons here, for 5,790 yds, and only 3 seasons there for 2085 yds.

Posted by: kost52 | February 27, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

So is this the fallout from the horrible PR during the coaching search? I don't think the best PR guy in the world could've made that fiasco look any better.

Posted by: mlewis222 | February 27, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Definately disappointing. SD was one of the few Redskins during that whole Norv Turner debacle that I have fond memories of. I certainly don't blame him though, and I don't blame the Redskin organization either. It was purely a result of Spurrier's perception that he wouldn't fit into his chuck and duck offense.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 27, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

The worst job in the world would be handling PR for the Redskins. Dan Snyder is a PR nightmare, and has been since day one. I wish Mr. Helein well and pity the poor sap who has to replace him. It's an impossible and thankless job.

Posted by: comicreative | February 28, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

As much time as he spent out at the Park, Helein always felt like a stranger in a strange land.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand what is going on at redskins park.

Posted by: mul | February 28, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

SD retiring a panther makes sense....

1) He got a big payday going to them....
2) His career ended there
3) He got to the SuperBowl with them

I loved SD but didn't it seem like he always fumbled at the goalline at the WORST possible time?

Posted by: goosedude | February 28, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

"They decided to go in another direction, which is their right," Helein said.


Another direction for PR? Such as....

Duff-Man?


Ohhhhhh yeah!

Posted by: freakzilla | February 28, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

"Helein, who has always been a straight shooter with me and has been great to work with,"

Helein probably began polishing up his resume and packing up his office as soon as he saw this in November.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 28, 2008 4:02 AM | Report abuse

So is this the fallout from the horrible PR during the coaching search? I don't think the best PR guy in the world could've made that fiasco look any better.

Posted by: mlewis222 | February 27, 2008 11:43 PM

Why not? The Redskins coaching search was every bit as coherent as those odd birds, the Falcons and the Ravens. The Redskins didn't take any longer than those teams, and they had to start from a worse spot: a surprise resignation, not a firing.

In the end, the Redskins hired a man who was as credible as the coaches that the Falcons and the Ravens got. But do you read about the Falcons or the Ravens search being disorganized? Do you read about them making a desparation pick? No, because they both had someone who knew how to sell the story to the media.

To my mind the only thing wrong with "the process" was the way that it was handled with the media. Of course, all I really know about it is what I heard from the media plus my 600 best friends who post here on RI.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

I loved SD but didn't it seem like he always fumbled at the goalline at the WORST possible time?

Posted by: goosedude | February 28, 2008 02:31 AM

Help me with this. What is the best possible time to fumble at the goal line?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Crickets, you gotta research this one. Would the following moves successfully use ALL of the Skins 2008 salary cap? Can you have a 4 player roster, or could you use unpaid interns and front office personnel to fill roster spots?

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 27, 2008 07:06 PM

Adam,

This is an interesting question with an even better (but very long) answer. So we'll summarize the numbers and keep the details.

First, let's cut those guys that redskins0and16 wanted to get rid of:

Moss, Brunell, Collins, Jansen, Thomas, Betts, Daniels, Griffin, Springs,Doughty.

Gone!

Here is the financial summary of those moves:

$ 108,610,000 - Total 2008 Team Salary/Cap Charges Before Cuts
- 37,695,000 - Salary/Cap Charges Saved by Cuts
= 70,915,000 - Difference
+ 63,028,000 - Adjusted Dead Cap Hit - 2008 (includes $59.003 million for above cuts)
= 133,943,000 - New 2008 Team Salary/Cap Charges
- 2,400,000 - 2008 Adjustment for cutting B. Lloyd (June 1st designation)
= 131,543,000 - Adjusted 2008 Salary/Cap Charges

Since that number is still too high, we were forced to cut the following additional players who have low or no dead cap hits compared to their 2008 cap charge:

Todd Yoder, Marcus Washington, Todd Wade, James Thrash, Mike Sellers, Kevin Sampson, Casey Rabach, Billy McMullen, Skip Kendall, Vernon Fox, Demetric Evans, Ethan Albright, Leigh Torrence, Kedric Golston, Anthony Montgomery, Maurice Mann, Kevin Huntley, Rian Wallace, Eddie Jackson.

Gone!

$ 131,543,000 - Previous Subtotal
- 14,226,000 - Salary/Cap Charges Saved by Additional Cuts (Net)
$ 117,317,000 - Adjusted Total - 2008 Salary/Cap Charges

$ 117,821,000 - Redskins 2008 Adjusted Cap Number

$ 504,000 - Under Cap

All 25 players remaining on roster are either rookies and 2nd year players at minimum, and players who cannot be cut due to excessive dead cap hit potential. To create enough cap space to sign the six new draft picks, the 2nd year players can also be cut (saving an additional $4.0 million).

Final total = 21 players on the roster; team not over cap.

Sorry, but signing those Free Agents he mentioned is definitely out of the question this year - too bad. Our other recommendation would be to fire all the coaches over 30 (other than Zorn and Blache), and all new assistant coaches will have to be under 30, run a sub 5.0 in the 40, and be ready to call out their assignments from on the field.

What do you think?

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 28, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

PFT.com
POSTED 12:26 p.m. EST, February 28, 2008

MENAGE-A-TRADE IN THE WORKS?

As the 2008 league year quickly approaches, there's talk of a possible three-way trade.

We're told that the Jets, Lions, and Broncos are talking about a deal that would send Detroit defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to New York, Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson to the Broncos, and Denver cornerback Dominique Foxworth and a second-round pick to the Lions.

The Lions also are looking at a trade for Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

PFT.com
POSTED 11:58 p.m. EST, February 27, 2008

GUS GONE

Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Rams will be cutting the cord on quarterback Gus Frerotte. He had been serving as the backup to Marc Bulger.

Coach Scott Linehan told Frerotte on Wednesday of the team's intent. Frerotte had been due to receive a $500,000 roster bonus.

Frerotte and Linehan had been linked for several seasons, during mutual stints in Minnesota, Miami, and finally in St. Louis.

Since joining the Redskins in 1993 as a low-round draft pick who ultimately beat out golden boy Heath Shuler, Frerotte has played for a total of seven teams. He has thrown for 19,134 yards, 102 touchdowns, and 91 interceptions in generating a passer rating of 74.3.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 6:46 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins didn't take any longer than those teams, and they had to start from a worse spot: a surprise resignation, not a firing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 06:23 AM

T_E,

You're better than this. The Redskins took over a month to find a coach. The only team in the neighborhood of how bad that coaching search went was Atlanta.

And I understand that Gibbs had every intent of coming back this year, but you can't be taken by surprise by a man who is 67 YEARS OLD retiring. In this business, you should always have a contingency plan, but especially when your coach is an elderly diabetic. And if I, as a random fan, immediately wondered about Gibbs' future with the team when news broke about his grandson having leukemia (and everyone knows what his "grandbabies" mean to him), that should have sent a red flag in Danny's head that it might be over.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood,

The process of finding a coach does not matter the results that the coach gives you is what matters. I do not care if it took them 10 months to find a coach as long as he produces. I would take Zorn over Harbaugh, Smith and Sparano and day.

I wanted to comment on your Gibbs statement as well, if you think Gibbs resigned from the Skins because he is a diabetic or because of his Granbabbies then you are extremly naive. Gibbs resigned for one reason his Nascar team switched to Toyota this year and Gibbs needed to be there to smooth over the sponsors and the drivers in case it does not go well. I have friends who are diehard Nascar fans, and they tell me Gibbs is spending more time with his nascar team the he ever did on Football, he is traveling to every race. And do not think a Nascar race is only on Sunday they get to the track on Tuesday and practice all week race on Sunday and then travel Monday. So lets stop the pitty party for Gibbs.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I bet he pulled into Danny's parking space by mistake.

There is no PR out at Ashburn. Snyder and Swanson could care less about what the public thinks as long as they keep their cash flowing in.

The total purge continues. Suck up or out you go, heh?

Posted by: gdennie | February 28, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

gdennie,

Good Buisness's make money that is what they are supposed to do and no one in the NFL makes more of it then Dan. He did not by the team for charity, as a fan I can see your frustration, but lets not forget the main goal of every buisness making money.

Unless you are a charitable organization.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

?Help me with this. What is the best possible time to fumble at the goal line?"

When your team is already up by 4-5 touchdowns and one more doesn't matter.

Posted by: bestmick1 | February 28, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4,

You can't be serious...

If it takes you 10 months to find a coach, you're well into the regular season. Maybe that's what it would take for you to realize a bad process when you see it...

And I hope you're kidding when you say you'd take Zorn over Harbaugh or Sparano. Those guys were at least recognized in league circles as guys who were up-and-comers on the fast track to head coaching jobs. Zorn was a shock to be an OC, much less head coach. Of the three guys mentioned, I'd take Harbaugh every day of the week.

Back to Gibbs for a moment, his motivation isn't my concern. Whether he retired to do NASCAR, play with the "grandbabies" or play blackjack in Atlantic City, the point is you have to be prepared to hire another coach when the one you have is 67 years old. Regardless of how much you love or respect him, he's not immortal or Marv Levy; his time was coming soon and this team should have been prepared.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4, I wonder if your NASCAR pals have any idea how much time Gibbs devoted to the Redskins, even during the end of 2.0? Think about how preposterous that sounds. To suggest that he has been spending more time in the past month working as the owner of his race teams than he did as head coach and president of the Redskins...

And as for the "main goal of every business," that seems to be an awfully simplistic way to look at an NFL franchise. It seems to me that an NFL franchise's main goal is to win NFL championships, and I would expect even Detestable Danny $nyder to agree with that.

Not trying to jump down your throat, or the throats of your friends, just offering these alternative viewpoints...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Oh my God Snyder fired a PR guy who has nothing to do with how the team performs on the field. I know lets use this as another reason to come on to the blog and put down the FO.

Who gives a Sh!t who he fires or for what reason, should he put up a poll on redskins.com to ask fans if it is alright to fire a PR guy.

I am sure we will lose everygame next year because the PR guy is gone. I think I will go cry now.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

I think the point they were trying to get across is that he is spending an abundant amount of time on Nascar, so everyone that thought he was resigning from the Skins to spend time with his Grandbabbies were mistaken. I should have explained my point better.

In terms of the primary function of a buisness I agree that an NFL owners priority should be to Win the Superbowl and I honestly think Dan wants that to happen. I just can not stand people who act like him making money off the team is a bad thing.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood,

I would rather have them take there time and get a coach they can live with rather then rush to hire the first big name. obviously I would not like it to take 10 months do not take everything you read so literally.

There is no point in arguing witch one of the coaches will be better we will find out soon enough.

I finally agree with one of your points they should have been prepared in case Gibbs left you should always have plan B ready.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood,

One thing I left out I guarantee we have a better recored this year with Zorn then any of the teams that hired those other coaches you say were so highly thought of in NFL circles.

I remember when Andy Reed was hired in Philly he was a QB coach who had no play calling experience and was not thought of as a HC. Hows that working out.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I see that the Panthers might cut Jenkins anybody have the skinny on him?

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

PFT FREE AGENCY RANKINGS: RECEIVERS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 27, 2008, 11:45 p.m.

Here's our look at the free-agent receivers, based on projected guaranteed money:

1. Randy Moss, Patriots ($20 million).

2. Bernard Berrian, Bears ($10 million).

3. Bryant Johnson, Cardinals ($8 million).

4. D.J. Hackett, Seahawks ($7 million).

5. Jerry Porter, Raiders ($6 million).

6. Donte' Stallworth, Patriots ($5 million).

7. Ernest Wilford, Jaguars ($3.5 million).

8. Andre Davis, Texans ($3 million).

9. Jabar Gafney, Patriots ($2.5 million).

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

I finally agree with one of your points they should have been prepared in case Gibbs left you should always have plan B ready.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 08:20 AM

Don't worry, I've marked this occasion on my calendar.

I don't have a problem with them taking their time. It's just there's a difference between taking your time and meandering and they were doing the latter. They had more than one good candidate in-house alone, in addition to a good group of guys league-wide. So there's really no reason to take a month. And I think if they're serious about making an "outside the box" hire, I think they at least give Russ Grimm a shot, considering his tremendous ties to this organization. Whether intended or not, they made it look like they just settled on Zorn and it's hard for fans (and probably the players) to take him seriously when it appears he's the owner's 6th or 7th choice.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I like how Jasno has been reporting that we are interested in trading for Ocho Stinko, although it has been reported no were else. In his article today he had the nerve to say we Covet him. I think Jasno has a man crush on CJ and is trying to get Vinny to trade for him so he can interview him on a daily basis.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

And I hope you're kidding when you say you'd take Zorn over Harbaugh or Sparano. Those guys were at least recognized in league circles as guys who were up-and-comers on the fast track to head coaching jobs. Zorn was a shock to be an OC, much less head coach. Of the three guys mentioned, I'd take Harbaugh every day of the week.


I think Brownwood may actaully be retarded.

Posted by: sams3 | February 28, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with them taking their time. It's just there's a difference between taking your time and meandering and they were doing the latter. They had more than one good candidate in-house alone, in addition to a good group of guys league-wide. So there's really no reason to take a month. And I think if they're serious about making an "outside the box" hire, I think they at least give Russ Grimm a shot, considering his tremendous ties to this organization. Whether intended or not, they made it look like they just settled on Zorn and it's hard for fans (and probably the players) to take him seriously when it appears he's the owner's 6th or 7th choice.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 08:40 AM

This is TRUE! Come on guys Russ Grimm was a HOG! Let's never move on! Hogs Forever Baby! A HOG can do anything, we should send Grimm up to space in a shuttle. He doesn't even need training, he was a HOG!

Posted by: sams3 | February 28, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Sams3,

You are always good for a morning laugh.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

This is TRUE! Come on guys Russ Grimm was a HOG! Let's never move on! Hogs Forever Baby! A HOG can do anything, we should send Grimm up to space in a shuttle. He doesn't even need training, he was a HOG!

Posted by: sams3 | February 28, 2008 08:53 AM

Yeah, if I'm retarded you're in a coma...

Are you telling me that Russ Grimm isn't as qualified as Jim f-ing Zorn to be the head coach of the Redskins? It has nothing to do with Grimm being a Hog, it has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's been an assistant head coach in two places (AZ and Pittsburgh) and has a ring to show for it. His ties to the organization (where you may recall he was also the o-line coach for several years) are a bonus.

And once again, folks are honing in on the peripheral part of my argument. I'm not campaigning for Grimm anymore; the polls are closed. I was making the point that this team can't hire their 6th choice for the job and get credit for making an "outside the box" hire.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, if you think JH or TS are better hires than JZ you are "out-of-the-box."

Let's see next year at this time which coach has the better record.

Posted by: sams3 | February 28, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

The worst job in the world would be handling PR for the Redskins. Dan Snyder is a PR nightmare, and has been since day one.

Posted by: comicreative | February 28, 2008 12:11 AM

He's taking the fall for all these bloggers running amok.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 28, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey, check it out, there are twenty-nine days in February this year! As noted before up here, that means the offseason is one day longer. Fan-freakin'-tastic!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

If the Rams are releasing Frerotte, it could be they are making room for Todd Collins to rejoin Al Saunders.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 28, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Sams3,

Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator for 9 seasons and a Defensive back coach for 1 season, he is way more qualified then a guy who has spent 9 seasons as a QB coach under one of the best coaches in the NFL over the last 15 years.

I do not remember anyone bashing Roony for passing over his two coaches in waiting to hire Tomlin.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman - You hit the nail on the head goodbye TODD we will always remember you well...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I think Todd should go to the Rams he will be a good backup for Bulger and he knows Al's system. There are plenty of experienced WCO QB's we can get to back up JC.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4

You know your stuff.

Posted by: sams3 | February 28, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

My turn to take hits for the below comment:

As we all know, dan likes media attention and negative media is not always bad. My thought on the "process" is that the Skins were in the news during the entire playoffs and SB. Not a day went by that the Skins were not being talked about. I certainly do not know what was happening at Redskins Park during the process, but the Skins were in the Media every bit as much and the gints and patsys.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 28, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/28/skins-skate-under-the-cap/
'SKINS SKATE UNDER THE CAP
Posted by Mike Florio on February 28, 2008, 9:33 a.m.
At a time when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are more than $44 million under the per-team spending limit for 2008, the Redskins have narrowly made it under the $116 million salary cap.

Per David Elfin of the Washington Times, the Redskins got there by voiding the contract of quarterback Mark Brunell, and at the same time freeing up $3.4 million in cap space.

More room will need to be created if the 'Skins hope to scalp any free agents -- or to sign their eventual draft picks.


Not a problem for this FO.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 28, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm so excited, I feel like a little girl. I sent an email to pft last night with the Elfin bit about Brunell (mostly b/c I wanted to see if they (he) update(s) the UFA rating of QBs).

Back onto my #21 for #21 rant, I agree that Atari Bigby is beastly, but he also is RFA so likely would receive a high tender offer. He was undrafted though ... I dunno the rules about whether a team can force draft picks for failing to meet an offer for a RFA. FYI, I think next year Sean Taylor would have been RFA.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

As someone who works in marketing I would say this is pretty simple.

NOT all news is good news. If Swanson is The Owner's personal PR, he has probably had to spend more time doing 'damage control' lately than he would like.

There was a significant backlash against The Owner during 'the process' and I didn't see any strong messages coming out of Redskins Park to defuse that. That might be because there weren't any to put out, but what was slipping out instead was stuff like the Byner story and too much 'news' about Grilliams' status.

I think Helein was the casualty of that. His job was purely to ensure that the team's image was as good as possible at all times and he wasn't able to get that done.

One can speculate as to whether it was his fault or not but that really doesn't matter. No matter what the source, if too many people repeat "the Redskins are a laughing stock" the PR guy is toast.

I wonder if they'll advertise it or just give it to Swanson as a part-time activity?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

To those suggesting that we trade the 21st pick in the draft for a RFA, this is EXACTLY the type of deal that ends up costing the team down the line.

The difference in the cost for the 21st pick, and the RFA, would be exponentially greater than the reward.

This is the type of deal that the Redskins hopefully don't do anymore. I don't care how good you think this cat, and Landry would be, it doesn't make sense. The team needs to use the draft to their advantage, and pick guys who can either start right away, or start next year.

Not to mention that Doughty earned the chance to start with his play.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Kerzon,

I do not care if they Skated under the cap swam under the cap or did the Limbo to get under the cap, they are under it and I am with you in believing they can still make alot of moves to clear even more space.

This FO is good at working the cap, hopefully in the future they will not have all these cap problems, but for know at least they no how to deal with them.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

About time I had to fight Brownwood all morning by myself.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

dcsween,

Are you as Giddy as a school girl?

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Vote Gus for Back-up in 2008!

I feel dirty.

Posted by: Dorf | February 28, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Come on, guys, nobody bit on my Heinlein reference up above? Anyone? Anyone?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

what would it be like it be 44 mill under the cap???

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The Bucs can have a hundred million in cap space but unless you are willing to spend some of it and spend it wisley it will do you no good. I say we do better then the Bucs this year even though they have there 44 million.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

greg(b), seems to be the sentiment up here. to those keeping score on dcsween's #21 for #21 campaign ...

For - dcsween
Against- everybody else

Look, my point is that the overpowering safety is a need. In the new NFL, the pass-first stud QB and deep threat are king(s). There are two ways to counter that: (1) an overpowering D-line like the Giants stopping Brady or (2) if you don't have the fixins for an overpowering D-line, then denial of anything beyond the first down marker, like the Skins stopping Kitna. [Cue the scoffing at my suggestion that the Lions' passing attack is anything close to the Pats' passing attack ... my rebuttal is that, at the time (Week 3), it was.]

I want Doughty to succeed as well, and no doubt that he is currently the starter, but if he were to become the nickel safety because the Skins really did get an overpowering (and known commodity) safety, like Atogwe or Bigby, then the D does have the "continuity" it had prior to the loss of Sean Taylor (i.e., after his temporary leg injury, before his permanent injury).

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"what would it be like it be 44 mill under the cap???"

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 10:08 AM

It would like you could by Gruden and hire Asante Samuel, pay him MOST of his contract money this season, to drive up the average salary of the top 5 CBs in the league, in order to shaft your former boss, Al Davis, who put the exclusive rights franchise tag on CB Asomugha. [This was pft's idea, but I love the thought of it. Punishment of Al Davis is punishment of Dan Snyder by proxy.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

?Help me with this. What is the best possible time to fumble at the goal line?"

When your team is already up by 4-5 touchdowns and one more doesn't matter.

Posted by: bestmick1 | February 28, 2008 08:01 AM

That made me laugh out loud. I can think of only 2 times in the last 10 years where we've had that kind of luxury. I'm pretty sure a goal line fumble wouldn't have mattered in the Pats game this year. I don't ever remember though, for all I know there very well may have been one [(or several) and how?]

Posted by: Dorf | February 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

It was week five when we turned the Lions' season around, sween.

Week three was when we turned the Giants' season around.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Reggie Nelson was the 21st pick last year. He got a five-year contract with a maximum value of $13.1 million; the deal includes $7.1 million in guarantees according to ESPN. I don't think a RFA would be as cheap. this does bring up the point that getting a FA WR might be a better option than drafting one with the 21st pick this year. Based on PFT list Hackett or Porter go be had for that amount of guaranteed money.

Posted by: mdvj | February 28, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

what would it be like it be 44 mill under the cap???

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 10:08 AM

You would have to be the Bucs.... It would suck.

Posted by: sams3 | February 28, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

LOL, sorry about that KM. My son has tutoring on Thursdays, so I'm usually late getting to work/onto the blog.

brown, sounds like the type of cat who, had they hired Gregg W., he'd have taken them to task about it. I'm sure had the hired Grimm, he'd have taken them to task for his lack of head coaching experience.

Some people just aren't ever satisfied. I'm not saying Zorn is the be-all end-all, but, and this speaks to more than just the head coach search, (Pierce, Bruce Smith, Trung Candidate, Deion, Rock, Coles, Gardner, etc, etc, etc), whats done is DONE. Unless you've got a time machine, and we can go back in time, and re-do all this stuff, it is both pointless and senseless to be b*tching about it NOW....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4, I don't help out in the fight against Brownwood?

Posted by: sams3 | February 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

totally random and probably not that funny... what if Ronald Currey made some kind of oral agreement with the Redskins and then at the last second signed with the Carolina Panthers?

If we signed him, we wouldn't need a back up qb... between ARE and Currey, we could do some seriously awesome trick plays.

Posted by: Dorf | February 28, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Nate:

I grok you.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | February 28, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

mdvj, $13.1M over five years is something btwn $2-3M/year, right? [Math? X approaches infinity and I'm outta here.] If only $7.1 of that is guaranteed, that's bargain-a-rama. I'm not saying a known commodity (3-4 year vet) safety will be cheaper, but I'm also not ready to say that Reggie Nelson is all that. [Though I admit that early round safeties are probably the safest bet/lowest risk that you will get a high performer and quickly.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Sams3,

Sorry you were excellent in the fight against Brownwood.

And very funny as well.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

What about Jenkins if he gets cut by the Panthers, is he still viable at the right price or is he done?

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I'm not into fussin and fightin on the blog. I'm a lover (and an ITAer, not a fighter). Absurd comments tend to die of natural causes when ignored.

Also, note that my idea about dominating D via dominating safeties (rather than dominating D line) is the lazy man's approach to domination. At bottom, I AM a lazy man.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

kmpd, I recall thinking that Jenkins was done before this past season. I don't remember if it was some sort of back injury or a "non-football-related injury" (which I think is NFL-speak for depression), but he was UFA last season, so even the Panthers only gave him one last shot.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

At bottom, I AM a lazy man.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:22 AM

Sween? Lazy? I always think of you as a high-motor blogger.

Lazy is cut-and-paste Barno. If he ever had an original thought it would only be by pasting badly one phrase inside another.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey Nate

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss"

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I think Jenkins was on IR last year as well. Not sure haven't looked that up.

I don't think the Skins can get a pass rushing DT unless they trade for someone like Corey Williams. I think the best thing for them to do is draft a DT in the 2nd or 3rd round and hope for the best.

Posted by: mdvj | February 28, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Nelson - 57 tackles, 11 passes defended, 5 int
Atogwe - 75 tackles, 12 passes defended, 8 int

For the amount of money that it would cost to get Atogwe, versus the amount of money for the 21st pick, seems like Nelson was a better bargain. Atogwe had better stats, but at what cost?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Interesting point about Kris Jenkins and depression. Mental health disorders can be very physically impairing. I don't know anything about Jenkins or his issues or the situation in Carolina, but I've never really thought about mental health affecting players' on field performance. I'm not talking bruised ego stuff either. I hope he finds the help he needs and ends up in a place where he is happy and productive (unless its Dallas and then I'd wish ill will upon him).

Posted by: Dorf | February 28, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Collins, Frerotte to switch sides? [David Elfin]

Old pal Gus Frerotte has said that St. Louis coach Scott Linehan told him that he's going to be cut. That leaves the door wide open for erstwhile Redskins quarterback Todd Collins to sign with the Rams as a backup to Marc Bulger and rejoin Al Saunders, his mentor the past seven years.

Collins signed with Washington in 2006, largely to follow Saunders from Kansas City. After not playing for almost a decade, the 36-year-old Collins was outstanding after replacing the injured Jason Campbell last December and leading the Redskins to victories in their final four games and a spot in the playoffs.

If Collins leaves as a free agent, the 36-year-old Frerotte could resurface with the Redskins, for whom he began his career from 1994-98. Frerotte played when No. 1 draft choice Heath Shuler was hurt in 1994 and 1995 before winning the job in 1996, a season he concluded in the Pro Bowl. Frerotte was benched in favor of Trent Green in 1998 before beginning a journeyman's odyssey that has taken him to Detroit, Denver, Cincinnati, Minnesota, Miami and St. Louis.
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Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"Change in PR [Ryan O'Halloran]

..............

Owner Dan Snyder has been through a bunch of different folks in the PR office. A list: Mike McCall (fired upon Snyder taking control of the team), John Konoza (lasted three days), two interns who ran the department for a training camp, John Maroon (lasted a year), Doug Green (lasted a year), Michelle Tessier (lasted a few years), Pat Wixted (lasted about 18 months in lead role) and Helein.

Being the PR chief for a team like the Redskins is an impossible task and Chris won't easily be replaced.
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From the other paper.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

PFT.com
POSTED 10:40 a.m. EST, February 28, 2008

FINS AFTER ROGERS

Earlier this week, it appeared that Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers could land in Denver. Then he was linked to a three-way deal that would send him to the Jets.

Now, the Miami Dolphins could be after him.

Per Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com, the Fins are involved in trade talks for the veteran defensive tackle. Kowalski says that Miami V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells previously has spoken of Rogers in glowing terms.

But Parcells also has said that he wants no "thugs and hoodlums" on his team. Last year, Rogers was accused of roughing up a dancer at a strip club. No formal charges ever were filed. He also has been suspended for violation of the policy on anabolic steroids and related substances.

That makes me laugh that Parcells wants no thugs or hoodlums on his team did'nt he coach in Dallas the home team of the thugs and hoodlums.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, MN. Hope you are keeping warm as winter marches on up there.

Not to brag or nothin', but it's been unseasonably warm and dry here in Portland for the past week. One of my neighbours complained about the lack of rain, which in my mind is rather silly.


Hey, I went from a typically lame, Kornheiser-esque name joke to the weather. How's THAT for jibba jabba? Eh, I'm rusty. But I'm working on it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, I'm not sure where I heard or read this, but my sense was that the reason Corey Simon (former? Colt) was out of sorts (not playing? not showing up to camp?) had to do with depression.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Where does the marino part of your name come from were you a Dolphins fan at one point. LOL

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Being the PR chief for a team like the Redskins is an impossible task and Chris won't easily be replaced.

Posted on February 27, 2008 7:13 PM

This should be an easy task for the right guy. I'm thinking we should hire whoever's been doing PR for the Patriots.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

Glad the weather is so good there I walked out of my home in the Maryland suburbs this morning a froze my a$$ off.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Quick question for JLC or Cindy, if they fired the guy who was doing a ton of the PR work who wrote the press release to let us know he was fired?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

POSTED 10:49 a.m. EST, February 28, 2008

TENDER LIKELY FOR ANDERSON

A source with knowledge of the discussions between the Browns and quarterback Derek Anderson tells us that the team isn't likely to sign Anderson to a long-term deal before Thursday's 4:00 p.m. EST deadline for communicating restricted free agency tenders.

The Browns are expected to tender Anderson at the highest possible level, which will give them a right of first refusal and compensation in the amount of a first-round pick and a third-round pick if the Browns opt not to match a multi-year offer that Anderson accepts.

In exchange, Anderson will get a non-guaranteed one-year deal worth roughly $2.5 million. The team reportedly has offered him a three-year, $20 million deal with $10 million in guaranteed money.

Anyone think a team would give up that much for Anderson?

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

greg(b), why does jvwilson have such a stick up his butt about you? not that you couldn't be butt-stick-worthy, but your approach and tone up here seem reasonable enough. what gives? is he someone from your past? like did you give him a wedgie in grade school?

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Anyone think a team would give up that much for Anderson?

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:51 AM

I'm not convinced the Browns would even give up that much for Anderson. Sounds disinformationy to me.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The pieces of dcsween's crazy #21 for #21 campaign are falling into place ...

"Zygmunt also confirmed Wednesday that the Rams have tendered safety Oshiomogho "O.J." Atogwe at the first-round level of $2.017 million. As a restricted free agent tendered at that level for 2008, the Rams would receive a first-round draft pick as compensation if the Rams decided not to match a contract offer made by another team."

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/0511756213684FF0862573FD0016580B?OpenDocument

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

km, nope, not a phins phan, Marino is my last name...thats my story...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

brown, sounds like the type of cat who, had they hired Gregg W., he'd have taken them to task about it. I'm sure had the hired Grimm, he'd have taken them to task for his lack of head coaching experience.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 10:15 AM

Actually Greg, I would have been fine with Williams. And why would I take them to task over Grimm if that's who I was endorsing all along?

And no, I'm not satisified. I got into football and the Redskins in 1993. So I missed the "Camelot" era. You guys probably all have fond memories of Super Bowls and great playoff wins. All I've seen is crap and mediocrity for 15 years. If I wanted that, I'd be a Lions fan. Even the Saints have been to an NFC Championship game recently!

I love the rich history and the burgundy and gold, but I hate what this team has been under Snyder. When the team was losing under Cooke in the 90's, at least we weren't being lied to about what we were getting. Since Snyder's been here it's been promises of greatness and Arizona-esque results.

So if you guys enjoy the sh_t that Snyder tells you is chocolate, bon appetite. But I will always be a skeptic of this organization until Snyder figures out that HIS way doesn't work.

Hope for the best, brace for the worst.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Report: Giants' Coughlin to get 4-year, $21M extension

He will be fired in two.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

POSTED 11:00 a.m. EST, February 28, 2008

WHY MUST RI BLOGGERS POST NON RELATED REDSKINS/NFC EAST NEWS

Sources are secretly questioning posting of every non-relevant news pieceses from the popular site pft.com to the RI Insider. Are they posting every piece because the Redskins have no news and will be locked out of the Free Agency period due not having enough cap room? Maybe......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Anyone think a team would give up that much for Anderson?

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:51 AM

Yes. That doesn't seem like much for a proven vet QB. Remember that the 'Skins gave up more than this to get Jason Campbell and he'd never played a down in the NFL.

Baltimore would like him back, too. They let him walk. So much for the myth of Baltimore's personnel acumen. That's what good PR can do for you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for the long post but my man Greg is in firewall hell at work.

The Colts cleared close to $8 million in cap room Wednesday by releasing defensive tackle Anthony "Booger" McFarland and middle linebacker Rob Morris.

Both players, who entered last year's training camp as starters, spent much of the season on injured reserve. Morris participated in only 57 plays on the Colts defense last year. McFarland missed the entire season.

They were released after they both failed physicals.

Morris is a former No. 1 choice of the Colts who was an excellent run-stopper. During the Colts Super Bowl year in 2006, he moved to strong-side linebacker late in the year and helped improve the team's run defense with his tackling ability and toughness.

McFarland came to the Colts in a trade with the Tampa Bay Bucs in 2006 after Corey Simon was hurt. The Colts gave up a 2007 second-round choice to acquire him. He missed last season with a torn patella tendon.
-- John Clayton, ESPN.com


Titans cut Givens
The Titans released wide receiver David Givens Wednesday after two seasons in which he was bothered by injuries.

Givens, 27, signed a five-year, $24 million contract with the Titans after leaving the New England Patriots in free agency. He started 10 games in 2006, catching 59 passes for 738 yards. His season was cut short by a torn ACL, and he wasn't the same in 2007. He caught eight passes in five games.

The Titans saved $1.6 million of cap room by releasing him.
-- John Clayton, ESPN.com


Thomas among Bills cuts
Veteran running back Anthony Thomas was one of three Bills players to have their contracts terminated by the team on Wednesday.

A seven-year NFL veteran and the league's rookie of the year in 2001, Thomas' numbers dwindled this season. Used mostly as a backup behind rookie first-round draft pick Marshawn Lynch, Thomas finished with career-lows in carries (36) and yards rushing (89).

Linebacker Coy Wire and cornerback Jerametrius Butler also had their contracts terminated. The Bills also waived offensive guard Aaron Merz, a 2006 second-round draft pick, who missed the entire season because of a shoulder injury.
-- The Associated Press


Vikings' QB Holcomb out
Quarterback Kelly Holcomb was released Wednesday by the Vikings, clearing room on the roster for another veteran to push starter Tarvaris Jackson.

Holcomb was 0-3 as a starter last season while Jackson was hurt. In his 11th year in the NFL, Holcomb completed only 50.6 percent of his passes (42-for-83) for 515 yards, two touchdowns and one interception.

After spot duty for Indianapolis, Cleveland and Buffalo, Holcomb was traded to Philadelphia last March and then dealt to Minnesota during the last week of training camp when the Vikings were concerned about their depth at the position.

Jackson showed clear improvement down the stretch, but his erratic performances were a big reason why Minnesota missed the playoffs at 8-8. Coach Brad Childress has maintained that Jackson is still the starter, but has also left open the possibility of competition for the job.
-- The Associated Press


Browns release Roye
The Browns terminated the contract of defensive lineman Orpheus Roye on Wednesday, cutting loose one of their most productive players ahead of free agency.

A 12-year veteran, Roye battled knee injuries the past two seasons. The 35-year-old was scheduled to make $3 million in 2008.

Roye had a career-high 95 tackles for the Browns in 2005. He made five starts last season, appeared in 13 games and finished with 34 tackles.

Roye was drafted by Pittsburgh in 1996 and spent four seasons with the Steelers before joining the Browns as a free agent.
-- The Associated Press


Bucs going younger
The Buccaneers had a mini youth movement along their offensive line Wednesday by releasing veterans Kevin Carter and Greg Spires.

Carter, 34, came to the Bucs last year from Miami after he was released and signed a four-year, $25 million contract. He started 14 of the 16 games he played and had 43 tackles and three sacks. He has played for the Rams, Titans and Dolphins before joining the Bucs.

Spires, 33, played the past six seasons with the Bucs and was a full time starter until last year when he started eight games. He's a 10-year vet with experience with the Browns and Patriots. The Bucs saved $9.2 million with their releases.
-- John Clayton, ESPN.com


Saints boot Mare
The Saints, who re-signed kicker Martin Grammatica, released kicker Olindo Mare Wednesday after he failed a physical. He came to the Saints in a trade from the Dolphins last year. He is a veteran of 11 NFL seasons.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

dc, I'm not sure about jjwil, I called him out on some stuff that he wrote a couple times, but other than that, not sure. No wedgies that I can recall.

Some of the stuff he writes pushes the boundaries of what would be in good taste, I mean, his "Jews sticking up for Jews" comments from a day or two ago, I'm not sure thats appropriate, nor called for in this forum. I don't want to be the blog police, but if he wants a forum for that type of stuff, I'm quite certain that the internet could locate a better blog to accomodate him.

just my .02,

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Report: Giants' Coughlin to get 4-year, $21M extension

He will be fired in two.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:59 AM


I hate to say it but I think you are wrong about that. He will probably retire in 3

Posted by: alex35332 | February 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Anyone think a team would give up that much for Anderson?

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:51 AM

What do you think Jason Campbell's next contract will look like? At this point Anderson does have some success last season to point to. $10M in guaranteed for the guy who is supposedly the franchise QB - at least for now! - doesn't seem bad.

Brownwood, I don't think you or your ideas are all that bad - but then I'm a Fins fan, so that doesn't really help you!

Perhaps I should just join the midget pile-on from earlier and call you 'mildly touched' instead? No.

Vive la difference!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

sween, I am tentatively on board with your "21 for 21" plan.

I was convinced that our #21 pick would and should be used for a sacktastic D lineman. I have also been thinking the role of "guy rounding out the safety tandem with LaRon" would be filled by a dude already on the roster. But I'm slowly coming around to that place you're at. That crazy, crazy place.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

4th,

Some people up here can not get to PFT or other sports sites from work so if I see something I think people would be interested in I copy it up here.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Let the record show I predicted the Collins for Ferrotte FA swap about 5 weeks ago. Yeah me!

I am OK with that, would save a bunch of cash, and Gus Trust has played in and learned many a system over the years.

If this happens I will celebrate my excitement over my correct prediction by head butting a wall!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Report: Giants' Coughlin to get 4-year, $21M extension

He will be fired in two.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 10:59 AM

Based on? If he was going to get fired it would have happened at the end of 2006 when they imploded at the end of the season - again. The Gints actually seem to have some Execs who take the longer view on things.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

km, thanks for the hookup.

Not sure that the Redskins should look at any of those guys. Seems like the majority of them are at the end of the line physically. Givens had a good run with NE, but then tore his knee up something awful, and never recovered.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I hate to say it but I think you are wrong about that. He will probably retire in 3


Posted by: alex35332 | February 28, 2008 11:04 AM

Alex,

No worries it would not be the 1st time I was wrong.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone up here follow Mel Kiper's stuff? I'd like to know what he did with Calais Campbell after his showing at the combine.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Don't think the Skins would sign Frerotte. He is the same age as Collins, 36, but hasn't played in the WCO. They should probably sign Dilfer as the veteran backup, and maybe a Tim Rattay for #3.

So does free agency start at midnight?

Posted by: skinfanman | February 28, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4 - Got ya. Just making lite of the situation at hand since I think we won't be having news of our own for a while. Hopefully.

No News is good news........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Are we talking about the same Tom Coughlin whose team just went from a wild card spot to the Super Bowl and upset the 18-0 Patriots to win the World Championship? That Tom Coughlin?

How many coaches have been fired by a team they led to a title?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The thing about Doughty is he keeps improving. He still may have more upside. He's a good tackler and has good instincts. Maybe we use a 5th rounder on a young safety if there's someone the scouts like. We need more depth at the postion anyhow.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 28, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Billick was fired... six seasons after winning a title.

Switzer quit two seasons after winning a title.

Was Seifert fired after winning two titles in SF, or did he quit?

My point is, I think SB-winning coaches generally get to leave on their own terms.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

FYI Skinsfanman:

Ferotte played for the Mike Shanahan version of the west coast in Denver.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, I don't think you or your ideas are all that bad - but then I'm a Fins fan, so that doesn't really help you!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:06 AM

Most people who can look at this team without burgundy and gold bias don't think my comments are crazy or inflamatory. So yes, you do help!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

How many coaches have been fired by a team they led to a title?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 11:12 AM

Billick. Landry. Jimmy Johnson. Switzer. Jerry Jones has done it three times.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I was kidding about Caughlin, sorry I did not think everyone would get that upset.

Stop picking on me or I will leave the Blog. LOL

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

FYI Skinsfanman:

Ferotte played for the Mike Shanahan version of the west coast in Denver.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2008 11:16 AM

You make a point. And he had some big games in Denver, as well as in Minnesota, though with the Vikings Randy Moss made a lot of QBs look good.

I wouldn't at all mind if Gus came back. Since they left I have rooted for Gus, Sage, and Patrick Ramsey. Trent Green, too.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 28, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Sorry km. I now have this ridiculous mental picture of all these RI posters hanging on to you like lions on a straggling wildebeest.

Come on guys, we'll bring this one down then we all eat!!

:-)

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Has Sage Rosenfels played in the WCO? He might be a better bet for you than Gus.

Gus looked okay at times - compared to Harrington and Lemon(!) - in Miami a couple of years ago but he throws an awful lot of INTs these days.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

no prob skinsfanman...just getting the facts on the table....I would prefer Gus to Ratay or Dilfer, but I agree those two might have inside track...

I just wanna be able to brag when/if it happens...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Sage is under contract in Houston, and may push Schab....at any rate Schab(sp?) is injury prone....Houston loves their two headed beast at QB he Sage aint goin anywhere....

Sage was beast last year for Texans...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that the Giants think that they have their coach of the future in Spagnuolo. If Coghlin doesn't keep winning he could be gone.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Sage was beast last year for Texans...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2008 11:31 AM

Yet another QB Miami gave up on way too soon....

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Does Volek have any WCO experience? I thought I saw him on the FA lists - and cheap too!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Scout.com,

Has us taking Kenny Phillips S Miami at #21 any thoughts on this.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that the Giants think that they have their coach of the future in Spagnuolo. If Coghlin doesn't keep winning he could be gone.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 11:32 AM

Good call. The successor thing is hot right now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that the Giants think that they have their coach of the future in Spagnuolo. If Coghlin doesn't keep winning he could be gone.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 11:32 AM

That's $21M in guaranteed money? I think he'd have to do a whole heap of losing before they give up on him! I would think Spagnuolo bides his time, learns all he can about the HC role and takes over in year 4 if all is going well.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Vote Gus for Back-up in 2008!

I feel dirty.

Posted by: Dorf | February 28, 2008 10:05 AM

Dorf, possibly running your head into a wall will relieve you of that "dirty" feeling. Then again, if you had said Jeff George...now that really is dirty and there simply is no cure.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | February 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

By the way, good to see you back cL.

An F ChrIs lARRy!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Scout.com,

Has us taking Kenny Phillips S Miami at #21 any thoughts on this.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:36 AM

For the love of God, no more safetys in the 1st Round!

You have to build a team from the line of scrimmage back. You'd be surprised how little the secondary matters when you've got a great d-line (see 2007 Giants).

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

They also have Dorsey falling all the way to 9th because of injury concerns.

Of course nobody really knows what will happen, but was'nt he considered the number 1 pick at one point.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

km, I'm of the opinion that taking a S with the 21st pick, wouldn't be making good use of that pick. While I have no doubt that he'd be a good or even great player, I just think that with so many other 'more pressing' needs, the pick could be used more prudently.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

For the love of God, no more safetys in the 1st Round!

You have to build a team from the line of scrimmage back. You'd be surprised how little the secondary matters when you've got a great d-line (see 2007 Giants).

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 11:40 AM

Brownwood,

It is a festivas mircle I agree with you twice in the same day, I agree we should go DL or OL.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3266038

Scroll down and look at this photo of Otah. Clayton makes the point that he was just recovering from a high ankle so not to worry about his 40 time.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 28, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

That's $21M in guaranteed money? I think he'd have to do a whole heap of losing before they give up on him! I would think Spagnuolo bides his time, learns all he can about the HC role and takes over in year 4 if all is going well.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:38 AM

The guaranteed money doesn't count against the cap and the buyout in two years won't be that great.

Spagnuolo will not be there in four years. It doesn't take four years do learn the job, and the difference between the money and responsibilities of head coach and defensive coordinator are too great for Spagnuolo to wait.

If the Giants want him to be their next head coach, they're going to have to make it sooner than four years.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I was kidding about Caughlin, sorry I did not think everyone would get that upset.

Stop picking on me or I will leave the Blog. LOL

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:19 AM

Know that some people are agreeing with me I stand by my original comment and say he will be fired in two years, and if it happens I to will ram my head into a wall just like CL.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

That's $21M in guaranteed money? I think he'd have to do a whole heap of losing before they give up on him! I would think Spagnuolo bides his time, learns all he can about the HC role and takes over in year 4 if all is going well.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:38 AM

ALL of a coach's salary is guaranteed. Only players have signing bonuses/base salaries. The only way he doesn't get that $$$ is if he quits.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I bow to your superior knowledge t_e. Does anyone know what contract Spagnuolo just got to stay put?

I think he maybe takes over in year 4 with Coughlin moving 'upstairs' to make way, with Coughlin's contract morphing to some other basis. Presumably if Coughlin doesn't want to go his current contract gives him a nice payout 'for services rendered' if they still believe Spaghetti is the future.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

ALL of a coach's salary is guaranteed. Only players have signing bonuses/base salaries. The only way he doesn't get that $$$ is if he quits.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 11:55 AM

No, this is wrong. Coaches salaries and guarantees are what they can bargain for. Zorn's isn't guaranteed after the first three years. Redskins have "an option" on the last three years.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

PFT.com
POSTED 11:43 a.m. EST, February 28, 2008

BUCS MUST SPEND $28 MILLION

One of the realities of having $44 million under the salary cap is the mandate to reach the little-known salary floor.

As explained by some Internet hack on SportingNews.com, the Buccaneers must spend $28 million of that 2008 cap room in order to comply with the $100.22 million per-team minimum.

The number comes from the CBA. For 2008, the salary floor is 86.4 percent of the salary cap.

Some teams use devices such as "likely to be earned incentives" that won't as a practical matter be earned in an effort to carry cap money over from one year to the next. The union often balks at this approach, since it creates in essence a no-interest loan against the payroll obligation. If the Bucs would use a device like that to satisfy the spending minimum, the NFL Players Association surely would take action.

You can read more about that and nine-other free agency topics right here.

I forgot there was a salary limit as well any one know what happens if you break that?

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

IF, and this is a huge if, Otah is on the board at 21, then call it Christmas in April. I'd take that cat in a heartbeat, line him up at rt, and start the season.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

No, this is wrong. Coaches salaries and guarantees are what they can bargain for. Zorn's isn't guaranteed after the first three years. Redskins have "an option" on the last three years.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 11:57 AM

I'm guilty of assuming, T_E. Unless an option for the last 2-3 years is mentioned, I assume it's simply a contract for the stated amount of time. Good catch.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm somewhat surprised in how the media has approached this free agency period. I think most of us would agree that free agency is at BEST, a risky proposition, and for every player that comes to a team in free agency, and pans out, there are roughly 10 that do not pan out. It seems like the Bucs, and all the other teams are going to be in a HUGE bidding war against all the other teams flush with cap money. I know this statement will make me a danbot, but if the Redskins were 44 million under the cap, all we'd be hearing about is how Dan Snyder is once again playing fantasy football, but when its the other guys doing it, not much is being said about it.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

some of you say the salary cap means nothing because Dan Snyder's saavy ability to get under the cap with pennies to spare every season. we'll just wait for the following to happen:

Collins will sign somewhere else for more money, leaving us with Boonell, who will re-sign for the vet minimum, as the back-up.

We also have very little room to sign any kind of depth, which means either Rick Demulling or Jason Fabini (yes, I'm sure we'll have them both) will get steam rolled in week 4 leaving JC's leg looking like Theisman's on the FedEx field turf.

8-car is your new starting QB, all thanks to the cap.

BYE BYE

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

IF, and this is a huge if, Otah is on the board at 21, then call it Christmas in April. I'd take that cat in a heartbeat, line him up at rt, and start the season.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:00 PM

What happens to Jansen in that case? I've heard rumors of a move to guard.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I know this statement will make me a danbot, but if the Redskins were 44 million under the cap, all we'd be hearing about is how Dan Snyder is once again playing fantasy football, but when its the other guys doing it, not much is being said about it.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:04 PM

That's because the Bucs and Broncos, the only other two teams that can hold a candle to the free agency failures of the Redskins, are not as relevant nationwide than the Skins. And yes, there is a well-earned bias against Snyder.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

brown, move Jansen to guard, move him to backup tackle, this kid otah is the real deal.

And yes, there is a well-earned bias against Snyder.

Can you elaborate on the "well earned" you spoke of above?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Someone asked where Campbell was on Kipers big Board after the combine, so here it is:


17. *Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (6-7, 280) | Previous: 16
Physically imposing with his height and wingspan, Campbell is able to beat offensive tackles with either speed or power. He does a good job of varying his pass rush moves, while also proving to be solid against the run.

Posted by: redryan400 | February 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

19. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St. (6-1½, 183) | Previous: Unranked
After enjoying a stellar career at the Division I-AA level, Rodgers-Cromartie stood out against the big boys at the Senior Bowl practices, then wowed over the NFL brass at the combine. He has the height, athleticism, recovery speed and ball skills to be an outstanding cornerback in the NFL.

Thats from Kiper also, could this kid be the 21st pick in the draft?

Posted by: redryan400 | February 28, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that Kiper has him that high still...I'm no expert, but that cat looked awful at the combine.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Can you elaborate on the "well earned" you spoke of above?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:11 PM

I think that's a reference to the 'plashy' nature of Skins participation in the FA market - last year aside.

Whether directly bidding for players or used as a stalking horse to drive up the value to someone else, you have to admit the Skins have been one of the drivers of the market under The Owner. The 'bias' is that he's viewed as someone who WANTS to play in that market, why he does depends on who you listen to.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Without getting too far into it for fear of getting stoned by the blog regulars here, Snyder has been a brash young know-it-all since he bought the team. That rubs some other owners the wrong way and apparently it does for the fans and the media. And the fact that the team has underachieved the vast majority of his tenure as owner doesn't help.

Think of it this way...in your place of work, you have an old, grandfatherly type running the place. Times are good, money rolls in, etc. Then he dies. His son either can't or won't keep the place so he sells. Some boy-genius younger than you comes in and immediately starts changing everything, long-time employees included. Then times aren't good anymore. The money isn't coming in like it used to, and it means pay cuts for the few "lucky" enough to still be around. Wouldn't this boy-genius get your vote for A-Hole of the Year?

NOTE: The money in this analogy is symbolic of wins, not actual money. The Redskins will NEVER hurt for cash...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

And yes, there is a well-earned bias against Snyder.

Can you elaborate on the "well earned" you spoke of above?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:11 PM

Greg,

Brownwood does not believe in facts he just blurts out what ever he thinks.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I totally agree with you! I liked the kid before the combine, but now you have to be scared to draft him. Lack of work ethic scares me! I do like Cromartie though, the question is do we take a corner that high in the draft?

Posted by: redryan400 | February 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I think if you took every team and broke down all the players they acquired through free agency, there wouldn't be a HUGE discrepancy in how successful they were versus the Redskins.

red, I can't understand after running a 5+ forty, and benching like a corner, Kiper only drops him ONE spot.
I'm not sold on Cromartie, or a corner at 21 at this time. Heck, I'm not sold on keeping this pick to be honest..

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood,

You forgot to mention that alot of the owners are jealous of Snyder for the amount of money he generates.

Your analogy is actual pretty amusing but you left out some key things, Things were not good for the last 7 years the Grandfatherly figure owned the team he brought in a cowboy coach for christ sake. The Grandfatherly guy was to much of an a$$ to set it up so his son could take over the team, should of made him owner before he died. I have not heard of anyone at the park taking paycuts.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood does not believe in facts he just blurts out what ever he thinks.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 12:24 PM

...says the guy who posts stuff from PFT (A RUMOR SITE!!!) all day.

Perhaps I should just cut and paste the "facts" from other sites so people can read the same stuff twice. Good call, donkey.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Greg, trade up or down? I like the thought of trading down for more picks. There is a bunch of positions in this draft with a ton of depth! I think it would benefit us a great deal, but you know Danny and his boy toy will never do that! If they keep the pick, I like a DE ( not Campbell) or the OL Otah.

Posted by: redryan400 | February 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I do not like corner at #21 either, also think Campbell is going to drop in the draft big time.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Where is Jasno? He should be updating us regulary its Christmas Eve after all.

Posted by: grizlies98 | February 28, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

POSTED 12:29 p.m. EST, February 28, 2008

FAVRE DONE?

Okay, we're a little leery right now because we swung and miss on this one back in 2006. But it looks a lot more official this time around.

A page on the Packers official web site announces that quarterback Brett Favre will retire. However, there's no mention of it on the front page of the team's official site.

So either it's accurate or the team has a dummy page ready in the event Favre quits or someone has hacked into the Packers' official site and posted a phony announcement.

Stay tuned.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood,

You forgot to mention that alot of the owners are jealous of Snyder for the amount of money he generates.

Your analogy is actual pretty amusing but you left out some key things, Things were not good for the last 7 years the Grandfatherly figure owned the team he brought in a cowboy coach for christ sake. The Grandfatherly guy was to much of an a$$ to set it up so his son could take over the team, should of made him owner before he died. I have not heard of anyone at the park taking paycuts.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 12:34 PM

Just dumb...

First of all, Danny's not even the richest anymore, Dallas past Washington for the richest franchise in Forbes last year. And what's to envy of Snyder? His fanbase hates him and the guy is almost 10 games sub .500 for the almost full decade here.

And say what you want to about Cooke, but the man hired football people to run the football and as a result won 3 Super Bowls in 4 appearances. The only way Snyder gets to a Super Bowl (as things are currently run) is if he buys a ticket from Mike Tice.

Jesu Christo, kmdp4, I grant everyone's wish and play nice for a while, and you have to make it contentious again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"This should be an easy task for the right guy. I'm thinking we should hire whoever's been doing PR for the Patriots."

Do you honestly think NE's PR person would leave a great franchise like that to work for Snyder? It would be easier to be George Bush's PR guy right now.

Handling public relations for the Redskins is an impossible job, because you spend a majority of your time doing damage control. Snyder will never find a person who can shed him in a positive light, because that person doesn't exist.

Again, I feel bad for whomever inherits this job. They will last less time than the guy who just got let go.

Posted by: comicreative | February 28, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Red, trade back, if they can drop back, and get a 2nd and 3rd for #21, then by all means to it. Not that I expect this to happen, but I'd love it if it did.

km, thats the thing I don't get. I'm by no mean anything more than a draft geek, this is what Kiper does for a living, yet somehow I can see this guy falling and Kiper can't? Maybe its all the hairspray he uses is effecting his brain?

brown, PFT is actually come a long way. They've gotten some legitimacy. They broke Rodney Harrison getting pinched for HGH a couple day's before it happened. While they're not yet a stone cold lock on their reporting(who is), they've come a LONG way. Mike Florio does a very good job on that site...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Agent:: Jags make Stroud available
Marcus Stroud | Jaguars
Stroud, who came back from microfracture ankle surgery to play last year, is available to teams that might want to trade for him, John Clayton reports.

Agent Drew Rosenhaus, speaking on ESPN;s "First Take", said he was contacted by the Jaguars Thursday and told Stroud could be traded. The 29-year-old defensive tackle has played seven seasons with the Jaguars. Stroud has been considered the anchor of the defense along with defensive tackle John Henderson.

Since the days Tom Coughlin coached the Jaguars, Stroud and Henderson have been the backbone of the defense.

In 2005, Stroud signed a five-year, $29.353 million contract that lasts through 2010. He started nine games last season and had 22 tackles. He was the 13th pick in the 2001 draft and has been to three Pro Bowls for the Jaguars.

from ESPN. com rumors scetion.

Posted this to see what everyone thinks about Stroud. Would cost some money, but he is a great player and would give our DL some of the improvment it needs!

Posted by: redryan400 | February 28, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Again, I feel bad for whomever inherits this job. They will last less time than the guy who just got let go.

Posted by: comicreative | February 28, 2008 12:44 PM

It does have some upside though. Whoever is in that role will ALWAYS get paid handsomely to go away. They know where the PR 'bodies' are buried...

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

...says the guy who posts stuff from PFT (A RUMOR SITE!!!) all day.

Perhaps I should just cut and paste the "facts" from other sites so people can read the same stuff twice. Good call, donkey.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 12:34 PM

Hey Jacka$$,

I have already explained why I post things from other sites because some people up here can not get to them from work Greg being one of them, I never have tried to claim that the stroy is mine that is why I list the web site it is from. Every site is a rumor site including this one hence Jasno reporting we are interested in trading for CJ.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

brown, PFT is actually come a long way. They've gotten some legitimacy. They broke Rodney Harrison getting pinched for HGH a couple day's before it happened. While they're not yet a stone cold lock on their reporting(who is), they've come a LONG way. Mike Florio does a very good job on that site...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 12:46 PM

Hey, don't get me wrong: I love PFT! I've been reading that site since shortly after it started. But since they aren't an actual publication and everything they post isn't expected to always be fact-based (damn it kmdp4, more opinions!),they aren't subject to the same rules. So they can float a rumor out there (i.e.- Terry Bradshaw is dead) and it's not a sh_t-storm like if the Post did it.

I was just making the point that if I'm going to be criticized for posting my thoughts/opinions and not fact (which none of us really has full access to, or quite frankly, we'd be employed by an NFL team), then that clown kmdp4 should get some right back for cutting and pasting from anything NOT a direct press release from an NFL team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Take a deep breath kmdp4. If you got to yell at someone make it Chris Larry.

Posted by: jm220 | February 28, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Five teams that might overpay free agents to fill needs
By Pat Yasinskas
ESPN.com

Updated: February 28, 2008
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As teams re-sign an uncommon number of their own players and make liberal use of the franchise tag, the weakest free-agent class of the modern era will hit the market at 12:01 a.m. Friday.

"Keep the guys that you have instead of the unknown," Redskins executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said. "People feel more comfortable doing that, especially the teams that are winning and don't feel that they have to have a big turnover. If you look at the teams that are coming off the playoffs, they usually change 12 to 15 guys on their team and you have six or seven draft picks. I think that's why people are signing their own, because of all the cap room that is out there."

Cerrato and the Redskins are one of those playoff teams and they're pledging to be uncharacteristically quiet, at least for the start of free agency. But, even with a thin class, the rest of the league isn't expected to sit quietly. If anything, a free-agent class without an abundance of impact players might result in some quick signings. Some teams are going to make fast and hard plays for the few gems.

"It's kind of like college recruiting," Cerrato said. "If you get them in your city and they leave, you're probably not going to sign them. To get a deal done, you're probably going to have to overpay. So what are you going to say, 'We didn't overpay, but we didn't get him, either?' "

Here's a look at five teams that are likely to take an aggressive approach to the start of free agency and might do their share of overpaying:
Tampa Bay, San Fran, Denver, Carolina, Tennessee.

Maybe we will keep our draft picks!

Posted by: redryan400 | February 28, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jacka$$,

I have already explained why I post things from other sites because some people up here can not get to them from work Greg being one of them, I never have tried to claim that the stroy is mine that is why I list the web site it is from. Every site is a rumor site including this one hence Jasno reporting we are interested in trading for CJ.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 12:57 PM

Then you're participating the same thing you're criticizing for. Tool...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

red, put me down for no trades. I just really don't see the Redskins being players in both free agency, nor in the trade market. They just don't have the chips, nor the space. Especially for a older defensive tackle, who seems to be getting injury prone. Besides, the Redskins have 2 youts in Monty/Kendrick who need the pt.

km, in case I hadn't stated it, I appreciate your efforts to get me info, while I'm here at work.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Jesu Christo, kmdp4, I grant everyone's wish and play nice for a while, and you have to make it contentious again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 12:41 PM

How were you playing nice your entire analogy and comments was a bash at the front office again you make your opinion look like fact, you nor I have any idea of how the other owners feel about Snyder.

We can call a truce, atleast we agreed on two things today lets try to go for three tomorrow.

Remember it is all in fun atleast for me, I like fighting with you more then these whiny Software Developers and Database Admins. I have to fight with at work all day.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Greg, thanks for responding. I feel the same way, it just feels weird that we don't look like a big player in FA. Don't get me wrong, I love being able to say that, it just feels like we are going in the right direction for once, and its just a different feeling! I love it! And, I usually just read the blog and don't post much, but i'm bored at work today so I though I would make discussion.

Posted by: redryan400 | February 28, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

km and brown, you guys need to stop hating on one another.

It gets really old trawling through the posts when most of them are cut'n'pastes of y'alls previous ones with an insult added at the end!!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

brown, the TBradshaw is dead stuff, PFT didn't break that. They got that second hand from a Pittsburgh radio station I believe. Don't shoot the messenger.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse


Show your hall passes, or get back to class.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I have made my piece with Brownwood waiting for his response.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Show your hall passes, or get back to class.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 01:11 PM

Make me. lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Show your hall passes, or get back to class.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 01:11 PM

Make me. lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

did i miss something? Who's the brownwood guy and why is kmdp4 public enemy #2 (Daniel Synder owns the #1 slot)?

Isn't the offseason great?

Posted by: Dorf | February 28, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I hope no one on here really thinks any thing I say is ever meant in a harsh way, I like coming on here and bullsh!tt!ng with my fellow bloggers, and having some good discussions and the ocasional argument. At least I have never ran anybody off the blog T.E.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

thanks because Nate is around to put out fires and keep the piece (peace).

I know a few hamsters that used to be a little more ornery. Things calm down, jibba jabba takes it hold on people, in the end wins and losses both bring us together.

Posted by: Dorf | February 28, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Just had another flashback to the Shehawks fans fighting in the bathroom over urinals when the Redskins went ahead.

(Except then, I just stood back and shook my head.)

We're better than that, right?

(Plus, jm's hammer is near at hand.)

HAIL!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey, and where's the Zeeba?

There have been no flags for weeks, if not months.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I heard David Carr was released also...is this true anyone?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey donkey and Jacka$$, can't we all just get along? All this rambunctious behavior -- all this fussin and fightin -- this just attracts ES hateheads like flies to a muddy diaper.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

What about signing Ty Law to a vet min contract?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

David Carr was released, but that bit got buried in the bigger news about Kris Jenkins getting released. If you want to find sports bits from local NFL papers, go to the front page of www.theredzone.org , which has unfiltered news links (to get to those links at pft, you need to read through the snark).

Anybody seen SallieMae lately? I think the blog could use some **hugs**

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Sween,

You think there will be a market for Carr?

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 28, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I think Brunell would be a better backup QB than Carr. Maybe Carr would fit somewhere, but it needs to be one of those teams with an established guy going nowhere, e.g., Cincinnati. Or maybe to be a #3 guy behind a guy who has been waiting forever in the #2 spot and almost ready to pop out, e.g., Green Bay.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Zebra said something about work blocking his blog access, or workload blocking his blog availability, or some like such as.

Ah heck, I'll throw a flag on myself.

Insufficient jibba jabba, ten yards from the spot of the foul, repeat the comment.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

DC while I am on board with a lot of things you say... I have to speak up here... I would take Carr over Brunell any day

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm your huckleberry...

Posted by: Dorf | February 28, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Carr is younger more mobil and has a much better arm...

Looking at his stats though this guy has a hard time hanging onto the ball

In 2002 he had 21 fumbles
2004 10
2005 17
2006 16

I am reading this right is that really possible???

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm with sween on Brunell v. Carr:

Brunell

Lifetime QB rating - 84.2
TDs - 182
Ints - 106

Carr

Lifetime QB rating - 74.4
TDs - 62
Ints - 70

But face it, if either of these guys had to lead the Redskin offense for many games, the season would be lost.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

trailblazer, maybe we can just agree to disagree. While I wouldn't want to have to start Brunell for more than a game or two, he's seen alot and done alot and, when he's healthy, he can keep a clear head on the field. Carr just seems like damaged goods, like he was thrown into the #1 spot too quickly ... and is going to need some time "slowing down" his game mentally. Carr, to me, seems like he had a Ramsey-like start to his career. Ramsey might someday be good, but Spurrier busted him through misuse.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I see Carr to be almost exactly like Patrick Ramsey. Both require time to "re-learn" how to be a pro QB.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Carr got hit an awful lot.

Those were some bad, bad teams. And that first year, remember that they (ahem, Cholly Casserly) rolled the dice on Boselli in the expansion draft and, ah, that didn't work out so good.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree te. If Campbell is the man, and Collins is his mentor/backup, who's the #3.

Hollenbach? He beat out Palmer and Bramlet (MIA, practice squad). But he's a UFA from Maryland...I wonder if he will be embraced of scZorned by the new leadership?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm betting Zorn will hand pick his own 3rd stringer at some point...so Sam may go MIA too (The other MIA, as if the Miami Practice Squad isn't the Twilight Zone of the NFL).

Apologies to RedCoat.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much agreeing with those nixing Carr as a possible backup. After taking a constant Ramsey-ing for several seasons of his career, he's pretty much in that same situation of being a bit gunshy and a bit too paranoid in his faith in line protection for his own good. Sorry, Cholly....

Not that I consider Brunoodle Soup much of an actual option, either.... That's like trying to make a choice of a Le Car and a Trabant for your family automobile.

Posted by: FlimFlam | February 28, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey greg(b)are you are Boston native?

Posted by: Forrest | February 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey greg(b)are you are Boston native?

Posted by: Forrest | February 28, 2008 02:22 PM

He should be. The guy's so native he even spells with a Bahstan accent.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

yes sir. Born in Malden, MA., currently reside in Weymouth, MA.

That would be pronounced Wey-muth, and not phonetically. fyi...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

as if the Miami Practice Squad isn't the Twilight Zone of the NFL).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 02:13 PM

Imagine only being able to make the practice squad of a 1-15 team....

Still at least the guys get paid!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Right you are Coat.

At the end of the day, you're either in the NFL, or you're not.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Still at least the guys get paid!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 28, 2008 02:34 PM

Right. And you can buy a condo real cheap, too. Probably a week's salary. Not like being in New York.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

yeah, but does the kahn-do have off-street pah-king??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day, you're either in the NFL, or you're not.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 02:40 PM

Or you're on the very thin border between: suspended for a drugs or firearm violation; in jail; not quite in but not quite not.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I just remember watching all those games with Brunell seeing him struggle to make anyhting past 8 yards... Those games were painful to watch... I lost a lot of respect for Gibbs for not pulling the plug on that a lot sooner

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"...not quite in but not quite not."

See, now this is why I lurk RI.

"I lurk therefore I am."
(I *ahem* CAN'T)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Riddle me this...

What if Brunell and Collins are gone???

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Did I chase erveryone away with my Carr comment???

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If Brunell and Collins are gone, then they'll bring in someone to be the #2, and maybe another guy to be the #3.

I'm pretty sure about that.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

TB,
Now that would be tough. I suspect the Redskins will meet any offer that Collins is likely to get, but you never know.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

What if Brunell and Collins are gone???

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 02:50 PM

This seems, to me, like the most likely scenario. In that case, I think Zorn knows who he wants as #2 from the available guys, and then they'll get a developmental project in the late rounds or, if Zorn likes him, use Hollenbach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

O'Hallaron and Elfin are kicking JLaC's and Company butts lately:

"One more thought about Gus [David Elfin]


Guess who Gus Frerotte's position coach was in 1999 in Detroit, his first year after leaving the Redskins? ... Wait for it. ... None other than Jim Zorn.

Frerotte completed a career-high 60.8 percent of his 288 passes for 2,117 yards, nine touchdowns and seven interceptions while starting six games. He started a seventh game, the wild-card playoff loss to the Redskins in Washington. Frerotte moved on to Denver the next year. Detroit hasn't been to postseason since.

Posted on February 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) | View blog reactions | Digg
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Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

kmdp4,

We're good. Just 'Skins fans trading barbs just like the fellas in the locker room, baby!

Now, everyone get to your closets and dust off those old Frerotte jerseys. You'll need 'em...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I never thought the gus bus would be stopping in DC again... weird

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I never thought the gus bus would be stopping in DC again... weird

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 03:00 PM

Totally.

Only going through my head is, "Wow....Just Wow..."

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Frerotte's been on the market a couple of times and Zorn hasn't arranged a reunion. Not sure why he'd bite this time.

But, if Detroit hasn't been to the playoffs since he left, maybe they would like to sign up Harvey Wallbanger.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

TE I dont think this is completely out of the question. What if someone actually gives Collins a chance to start? As far as Brunell goes lets face it St. Joe was protecting him otherwise he would have been gone last year...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

we should sign randy moss, asante samuel, lance briggs, alge crumpler, anthony mcfarland, alan faneca, and draft darren mcfadden.

i should be the gm of the skins.

Posted by: psps23 | February 28, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

i'm sorry i think my brain just melted.

Posted by: psps23 | February 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Frerotte's been on the market a couple of times and Zorn hasn't arranged a reunion. Not sure why he'd bite this time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2008 03:02 PM

It is fairly common for an offensive minded Head Coach and/or Assist HC/Offense and/or Offensive Coordinator to bring in a QB who is familiar with what the coach wants to do on O.

Cameron did it in Miami. Gibbs 2.0 brought in 'his' guy. Gus went to St. Louis because he followed Linehan. Saunders brought in Collins. Bledsoe went to Dallas to be with Parcells. And of course there are plenty of examples.

So, I wouldn't think it would be far fetched to either see Gus or Trent......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

we should sign randy moss, asante samuel, lance briggs, alge crumpler, anthony mcfarland, alan faneca, and draft darren mcfadden.

i should be the gm of the skins.

Posted by: psps23 | February 28, 2008 03:08 PM

Vinny, is that you?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Trent Dilfer, that is, not Green.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Hollenbach? He beat out Palmer and Bramlet (MIA, practice squad).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 02:10 PM

One thing I don't get. Casey Bramlet, who was MVP of the Europe League, and looked real good in preseason, was cut in favor of Hollenbach. Was it arm strength? heigth?

Posted by: skinfanman | February 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

So the gold rush on D-Line commences with Raiders throwing $50 MM over 5 years to T. Kelley.

This in turn will lead to upward draft pressure on D-Line - striking out in FA will push teams to prioritize DL heavily in picks 1-15 unfortunately.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3269154

Posted by: zornskins | February 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry that's 7 yrs not 5 and Kelly not Kelley.

Posted by: zornskins | February 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman,

My guess is it was his height, but he's 6-4.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This was on my mind for a while..

Why not make ARE our 3 rd Qb? How many times do you actually need your 3 rd in a game. I remember Brian Mitchel going in a game years ago. Point is. Some teams only carry 2 QB's. It would save a little $$ under the cap and if JC got hurt we could then always sign a 3 rd.. Any thoughts?

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

greg_hughes90,

Even the 3mergency QB needs to know the offense, so ARE would have to be more than a placeholder. Anyone brought in after the fact, would be pretty lost.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

You have your 2nd QB and the guy you bring in can learn over a couple of weeks. Esp a veteran. And this is if the started is out for a significant amount of time. Again, a few tams only carry 2 qb's. I just think with the cap the way it is here any saving would help.

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? Tommy Kelly got 50 million? This for a guy, who has never had more than 4.5 sacks in a given season?? Thats sad. Al Davis obviously has alzheimers, and Kelly took advantage of it. Shame on him for doing that.

If that cat gets 50 million, I've got to be worth a 3 year deal for 2, or 3 million??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I think Gus is the way to go if Collins ends up with the Rams.

Every one likes Gus just not as the starter. But he comes to play every game (until he knocks himself out).

Posted by: mul | February 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Apparently GUS is retiring. I think Holcomb would be a good back up here.

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I think we need a number 1 QB (Campbell), and veteran #2 and another young QB as #3 (Sam Huckleberry?), so the #3 doesn't cost much against the cap.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Funny non football post-

So I am a mid level manager in a non profit. And in non profits one major role is handing out Hand jobs to funders and rich people. So I was just in my CEO's office choking back an institutional wrap listening to some BS about what we should be doing from this rich woman. Meanwhile she is so gaseous that she is literally burping and belching while talking. No excuse me, no covering her mouth. Now I if I laugh I am fired....so I am trying to keep my composure as she belch-talks her way through lunch. I came back to my office and exploded in laughter.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

That's why I don't shotgun beers until after my presentations. Hope you at least got the cash.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

beep beep, *burp*

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

sean taylor will forever be in our minds.......do you notice we pick at #21, the corner we might get from atlanta wears # 21 (hall)........

Posted by: DNPUrban | February 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen this on the Skins site? I've always hated the Skins' free agency approach since Danny took over, but when you see each crop over several years, it makes the Gibber's record look pretty decent, notwithstanding debacles like Arch Delux. Actually, some of the worst moves were trading draft picks (like Duckett and Lloyd). They aren't listed here, so it makes it look a little better. Anyhoo, thought it was interesting.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34658

Posted by: herb | February 28, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

If you haven't already, take a closer look at the 'Skins free agency record on the link Herb added above. I wasn't aware, but apparently we acquired Randy Thomas two years in a row.

Good to see the website is run just like the FO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

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