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Washington, ARE, Betts Are Biggest Concerns

From Jason La Canfora:

The three biggest injury concerns coming out of the loss to the Cowboys appear to be Marcus Washington's ankle, Antwaan Randle El's ankle and Ladell Betts' knee.

As he left FedEx Field, Washington was wearing a walking boot. X-rays taken during the game were negative and he said no new tests were scheduled, but it was painful and he said he didn't know how long it would take to heal. Although he was wearing a harness on his injured left shoulder and couldn't lift his arm, he said the shoulder made it through the game okay.

In his first game back, Ladell Betts aggravated the knee injury that had sidelined him for three games. Betts, who had a second-degree MCL sprain (basically a small tear), was walking gingerly last night and will be evaluated today.

Randle El's injury is of particular concern, given the status of the receiving game. He hurt his ankle returning a punt and left the game. We'll get more from Jim Zorn on these and other matters at 12:30.

We'll also get updates on the guys who are nursing long-term injuries - Santana Moss (hamstring), Clinton Portis (everything, really, but his knee in particular), Chris Samuels (knee), Shawn Springs (calf) - but it wouldn't be at all surprising if all of them played in Seattle.

By Cindy Boren  |  November 17, 2008; 10:39 AM ET
 
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We are not finishing FIRST

Posted by: cej75024 | November 17, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

how about SECOND??

Posted by: cej75024 | November 17, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

ARE goes out. Kelly comes in and saves the day. Next game 42-7. Kelly has 283 yards and 2 td's.

Hey a guy can hope right?

Posted by: Gweez | November 17, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

MAYBE ....MAYBE THIRD

Posted by: cej75024 | November 17, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Marcus isn't a concern. He hasn't contributed this year, far as I can see. Him and springs are gone after this year.

Betts isn't a concern for Seattle, if CP is ok. But we need him for NYG.

ARE is a concern however, since our WR corp is already pathetic.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 17, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

And Springs? Havent played all year, why start now Mr. Golden Parachute.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 17, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

++++Come on, Cork. You've been the number 1, numero uno, cheerleader for the front office. Now, suddenly, at the first sign of trouble, you change your tune and pull this "said it before, say it again..." stuff?

Do you think we have no memories? I've been reading this blog for a long time and I've never seen you say a bad word about the front office before today.

Posted by: talent_evaluator++++


Now THAT's some pretty good satire, Mr. Rove. I needed a laugh today. Right out of the GOP playbook. Humans call a rose a rose. You call a Rose a daffodil and try to jam it where the sun Don't shine.

Hey TE got a lil 'something ion your nose...

Get your buddy Earl2 or Carl Junior to weight in with "Cork your an idiot." Not at work yet at redskin Park? Cll him on his Redskins cell.. He probably has donut duty at Vinny's house.today.

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

JASON -- Please address the run/pass discrepancy from last night. To me, it is appalling and Zorn should be called out for it.

Skins threw it 35 times for 136 yards, 3.9 yds/pass.

Ran it 18 times for 92 yards, 5.1 yds/rush.

Not rocket science, especially when we started 6-2 because we dominated the run game and as a result, time of possession and the scoreboard.

Posted by: kdog11 | November 17, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Vinny keeps saying ...nothing more to do about it and move on...

I agree that we can't linger. However, people are upset because there seems to be a trend of poor play on offense. Shoddy line play...lack of moving the ball...not finishing off drives...etc.

Posted by: cej75024 | November 17, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

+++from Jason La Canfora:

The three biggest injury concerns coming out of the loss to the Cowboys appear to be Marcus Washington's ankle, Antwaan Randle El's ankle and Ladell Betts' knee.+++


Washington and Betts hurt? Shocker!

Not worried about ARE. Skins drafted three receievers in the second round last year. Got THAT covered. Just plug in...um...is McCardell still available?

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Skins threw it 35 times for 136 yards, 3.9 yds/pass.


Posted by: kdog11 | November 17, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

THAT IS AMAZING !! 3.9 peer pass

Posted by: cej75024 | November 17, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Late in the year running the football is important and Zorn does not utilize his strength enough

Posted by: russelljharris

Again, I'll disagree on this point. Portis, this offensive line, and this running scheme has been with the Redskins for years. The first half of this season was by far Portis' most successful. Why? Portis' success on the ground is determined by how successful JC is through the air. The first 5 weeks, Zorn put the ball in Campbell's hands and let him set the tone - Portis just finished the teams off. Since then, Zorn has let Portis set the tone, hoping that JC would feed off that. The latter has been less successful.

Zorn needs to go back to what worked early on. Open up the playbook, put the ball in Campbell's hands, stretch the field. One deep shot to Moss per game is not going to get it done. Portis will be MUCH more successful down the stretch if this is done. Moss and Campbell are the catalysts that make this offense go, much moreso than Portis.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Your finished! You will lose in Seattle for clueless Zorn's return and get beaten down by his mentor, then you will lose to the giants, its out of control, someone quick make a trade!!!! LOL!!!

Posted by: Dfan | November 17, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't able to see the 2nd half of the game, but this is what I was able to take away from the game, and this season in general.

Campbell - not terrible. I wish I could say more, but I can't. If we're looking for improvment over last year it's there. His completion percentage is up and his turnovers are down - Both good things. However, he's thrown the same amount of touchdowns as he did through week 12 last year. I'm not sure what the reason for this is. It could be play calling, it could be lack of receivers, or it could be Jason time will tell. I do have to say it's hard to throw TDs when you're on your back.

Portis - This man is a beast. To go out there and run with violence as he did is something only CP can do. Tip your hat, and be glad he plays for we each week.

MOss - I think we all know now that Moss can't do it on his own. Santana is a good receiver, but on a great team he is only a No. 2. With nagging injuries, he can't be the downfield threat and be our go to guy like he has in the past.

Randle El - Truely a No.3 receiver. Plays with heart but doesn't have the ablity to strech the field.

Cooley - Put in Heyer, get Chris off blocking duty, and give him the ball. With Moss and Portis being our only true weapons, we can't afford to have Cooley help Jansen. This man is a ProBowler and need to be treated as such. Run two TE sets and have Yoder block if you need to. There is no excuse for Cooley not having the ball in his hands more.

Rookie Receivers - SH!TTY. Devin Thomas must be damn near retarded. I don't understand why he can't just run a fly every time he is on the field. Make somebody cover him. Send him long, if the saftey picks him up you have Santana(or anybody) open underneath. If the safety doesn't pick him up throw it up there, maybe he'll catch it. Kelly needs to be on IR, anybody who can stand would be better than him right now. Fred Davis, never should have drafted him, he can't block, and I guess he can't run routes or catch passes either. Maybe he can rush the passer?

Defense - Although we have absolutely no pass rush, we haven't for years, and it doesn't seem to affect us. Yes, I'd like to put more QBs on their @ss, but pressure can be just as affective. Pressure makes the QB get rid of the ball quicker than he would like and often leads to bad decisions and turn overs. Anytime you hold an offense to under 21, your D did their job.

Posted by: bg21 | November 17, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bg21 | November 17, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

++++Vinny keeps saying ...nothing more to do about it and move on...

Posted by: cej75024++++

A ha! Vinny has found his true calling.... Traffic cop for a train wreck.

Half dozen coaches during Snyder's reign of error. Same "GM" every year save one. YOU do the Math.


Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If you only allow 14 points, you should win. All the stuff about pressure doesn't mean anything - what you allowed the other team to score does, and they allowed 14 points to a team with plenty of weapons.

The offense is THE culprit in this standard issue Redskins mid-season slump, as it has been for years. The offensive line may finally be showing it's age, as the pass protection is really bad. Moss is great fully healthy, but the moment he's dinged up, he disappears. JLC is right - they don't have any real options beyond Cooley and Moss, and they are too simple to defend until someone steps up.

The defense - you could win a SuperBowl with this defense. It doesn't get pressure, sure. It doesn't get a lot of turnovers, yep. All it does is stop offenses. The only time it's been pushed around at all is when it's been on the field repeatedly because the offense is in the middle of being so offensive.

Horton is sick.

They have to win the "winnable" games now - Cincy, Seattle, 49ers - and find a way to beat either Baltimore, Philly, or NY. I seriously doubt they can beat NY, so either B-more or Philly....if the offense continues to put up zip though, all this talk of playoffs is pointless. You...have...to...SCORE.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 17, 2008 11:10 AM

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 17, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Geez...I would love to put a foot into somebody's azz just ONCE on national TV.

We just curl up in a ball and look like Crossland High on offense.

No offense to Crossland !

Posted by: cej75024 | November 17, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

kdog your 3.9 a pass is not right first 136 is total pass yards and sack yards, Soup through for 162 yards over 22 completions which comes out to 7.4 a completion which is no surprise with the WCO

Posted by: theFreshinAU | November 17, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

So I also got Portis's stats depending on whos in at Tackle.

With Heyer
Yds,Runs,Avg,Tds
84,23,3.7,0
96,21,4.6,2
68,21,3.2,2
126,24,5.3,1
Total
374,89,4.2, 5 TD's, Runs per game 22.25

With Jansen
121,31,5.8,0
145,27,5.0,1
129,29,6.1,2
175,27,6.5,1
126,31,5.3
51,22,3.9,0
68,20,4.5,0
815,187,4.36,4 Tds, Runs per game 26.71

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

If season ended today...we would get the final tiebreaker..and go to Arizona to open the playoffs

Posted by: cej75024 | November 17, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Where is Stephon Heyer? and why isn't he playing? i mean its obvious that Samuels is hurt and Jansen can't block my father(deceased for almost 5 yrs.) so why not have a healthy body in the lineup when the camera scanned the sideline last night i saw Heyer looking like he was ready to play so why not let him play or at least give Chris or John a blow, what the hey he can't do any worse.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 17, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

When can we start talking Draft?

Posted by: KingME1 | November 17, 2008 10:12 AM |

Good point. We should move the draft discussion up. Usually Wednesday is the day for examining last year's draft and Thursday is for next year's draft, but we seem to have gotten ahead of ourselves, especially with Corkczar flip-flopping and labelling it "not as good as I'd expected." I think that was what he was getting at. He tries to be so diplomatic that I'm never quite sure of where he's coming out.

Now that our record is headed south, I think we may have a high enough first round draft pick to get a near-premiere WR. And, we can get a franchise place kicker in the third round. Late rounds will be for LB's, OL's, and DL's (if we need them). What do you guys think?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The FO's approach of building for the present, and win now approach is going to smack us in the face next year.

Our O and D-Lines are past their primes and the game is really starting to leave them behind.

This year may be our only shot at another playoff push.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 17, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Going on record and saying Springs won't play. Maybe ARE being out will be a good thing. He hasn't given us anything on punt returns. Put Hall back there and see what happens. He really hasn't done anything on O. If Kelly knee is holding up he can't be much worse.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 17, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Cork,

Are you ready to jump of a cliff now?

Did you see this team at 6-4 coming into this year?

What does the GOP or Rove have to do with anything?

---

I'm not happy with this loss, and if the O doesn't shape up, they aren't going anywhere...but at least they have a chance to make some changes and be in this thing. Better than what most of us, and writers everywhere, thought.

Looks like drafting O players was the right thing to do, given our problems. I think we are about to see if these guys can help at all or not in the coming weeks, since ARE may be out.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 17, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Spizzle,

Your concept of Portis only runs in the fourth after the passing game is incorrect and since you will not look up the stats I did.

CP stats
BY QUARTER ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
1st Qtr 53 215 4.1 22 2 6 52 8.7 14 0 0 0
2nd Qtr 56 237 4.2 20 0 4 20 5.0 9 0 0 0
3rd Qtr 53 313 5.9 31 2 6 37 6.2 17 0 0 0
4th Qtr 53 298 5.6 31 3 4 47 11.8 29 0 1 1

JC stats
BY QUARTER CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
1st Qtr 47 75 373 62.7 4.97 20 1 0 8.0 79.5 4 17 4.3 16 0
2nd Qtr 55 88 636 62.5 7.23 53 3 0 7.0 95.6 6 46 7.7 22 0
3rd Qtr 47 68 498 69.1 7.32 50 2 2 5.0 87.7 2 19 9.5 13 0
4th Qtr 49 76 615 64.5 8.09 67 3 1 6.0 97.2 14 7 0.5 15 0

So as you can see JC is not killing anyone in the first qrt. to open up the running game like you say.

And Portis has been better in the 3rd then in the 4th

The problem last night was they did not run enough, when they had the lead for most of the game.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 17, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Steinburgh has the ripping of Vinny transcribed on his blog

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/11/cerrato_agrees_with_cerrato_cr.html

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I love cowboys fans that refuse to post on your messageboard until after they win... cowards...

Hope Kelly's knee is finally healthy; Thomas needs time with a playbook written in crayon.

If ARE is out; we need Kelly. I like the idea posted earlier about just sending Thomas on a fly route; would keep safeties deep and one CB back out of the box to give Cooley some running room.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 17, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Our O and D-Lines are past their primes and the game is really starting to leave them behind.

This year may be our only shot at another playoff push.

Posted by: Devo2

Eh, not really. Only Griffin and Taylor on the d-line are past their primes (not like Taylor has been a part of this team anyway), and on the o-line we have Heyer and Rinehart as potential fixes. One or two offensive linemen and one DT puts this team right back where they are now.

Now if something were to happen to Fletcher on the other hand...

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Although he was wearing a harness on his injured left shoulder and couldn't lift his arm, he said the shoulder made it through the game okay." -Jason La Canfora

here we go again, La Canfora simply making things up again. I saw Marcus Washington lift his arms up many times during the game last night. If it made it through the game okay, one would think he could still "lift his arm" afterwards.

Just another in an endless series of lies and distortions by one Jason La Canfora, the world's slimiest beat reporter.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 17, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The FO's approach of building for the present, and win now approach is going to smack us in the face next year.

Our O and D-Lines are past their primes and the game is really starting to leave them behind.

This year may be our only shot at another playoff push.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 17, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse


I dont think that the approach this off-season was building for the present but a 3 year plan. I still think Vinny is quietly going for a 3 year plan

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Alex - the draft smacked of a three year plan; Zorn just went and screwed it up by being successful.

I don't fault Zorn much on this; everyone keeps saying "he's winning with Gibb's players". Well, now he has to lose with them because Joe's players were old to start with and are getting older.

I said after the Giants loss that we need several good drafts to rebuild this team; kudos to Zorn for doing more than expected with less than he should have had.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 17, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Let's face it...the reason the rookies are not playing (Kelly included) is because Zorn does not trust them. Zorn also does not trust anyone other than Randle El (with the exception of Santana who is too valuable) to return punts. He has become quite Gibbs-like in that aspect.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

My Seahawk fan neighbor here in the office thinks we're going to crush them on Sunday. Says they have no pass rush and no secondary. And their O remains woefully out of synch. And the former player who ran the 12th man flag up the flagpole yesterday was Ricky Watters, who played in Seattle for about eight minutes. And it's basically depressing being a Seahawks fan right now. (What a gloomy gus this guy is! Sounds like a Redskin fan...)

Could be a "get well game" for the Skins. Which is of course what we will all need after a week of gnashing our teeth, rending our garments, etc.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Lisa I totally agree with you. Remember he had a problem trusting JC until they had the talk and JC told him it goes both ways.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 17, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

ARE seems to be a poor route runner, I can't remember him going over the middle with any success which is key to any west coast offense. Devin Thomas is a bigger body who can run these short routes, I don't know if he can gain separation from DB's in this league but lets be honest ARE can't get it done. He is a great team guy and special teamer but not a second WR, perhaps 3rd.

Posted by: katiebabe461 | November 17, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

THAT IS AMAZING !! 3.9 peer pass
Posted by: cej75024 | November 17, 2008 11:08 AM

Thats because its untrue, he subtracted yards for a sack
Thats per attempt, not per pass. Also the numbers he gave are wrong,

Here is what NFL.com had

comp-22 att-34 comp %-64.7 Yds- 162

Sacks3 yds lost on sacks-26

JC also ran for 22 yards so I think you subtract the 26 from that for a -4 rush

That math ='s 4.7 yds per attempt, 7.4 per completion.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

So Lisa, do you think one of the keys the rest of the way will be Zorn's willingness to loosen up a bit, whether that means playing time for rookies or a return to some of the whiz-bang play calling we saw in weeks 2-5?

Hard to imagine this is the same team as that one, which was such a joy to watch...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

11-5. Mark my words. 11-5 (OK, maybe 10-6).

No, the Redskins won't win the East. Yes, the Redskins will be a wildcard.

But there's no shame in that. The Giants are the best team in the league, period (sorry Tennessee fans). They ran all over the Ravens yesterday, made the Balmer D look like Dunbar High.

Aside from New York, which team in the NFC can say they're "better" than the Redskins? None, in my opinion. Outside of the New York Giants, ALL the other NFC playoff contenders (including the Skins) are about the same.

And then there's this: As disappointing as losing to Dallas is, it ain't anywhere near as bad as ending up in a TIE with the Bungles!

Stay medium.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 17, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21 - "Spizzle,

Your concept of Portis only runs in the fourth after the passing game"

I didn't say that. I said that's what happened when we have been successful.

But with regards to your stats, I'll amend my statement to saying the "2nd half" is where Portis has been dominating. Portis has averaged 5.8 yards per carry in the 2nd half, with 5 TDs. In the 1st half, Portis has averaged 4.2 YPC with 2 TDs.

I'm not saying "don't hand the ball to Portis". I'm saying don't put the onus on Portis to set the tone in the 1st half. Let Campbell/Moss/Cooley/ARE set the tone in the 1st half, and let Portis finish the game strong in the 2nd half. That's what has been successful, especially through the first 5 weeks. IMO, since Philly, too much emphasis has been placed on Portis early in games. That's not what makes this offense go. Zorn needs to re-instill that confidence he put in Campbell after the Giants game in week 1. I know it's been difficult with the o-line, but remember that some of Campbell's best plays have been because he avoided free blitzers and made the defense pay.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

beeepbeep

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I think Zorn has to take a chance on the rookies (in particular Kelly)....what do we have to lose at this point?

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Zorn being conservative is mainly due to the shoddy play of the OL. They can't run any plays that take more than 3 seconds to develop because you have Jon Jansen repeatedly getting pushed right into the pocket, Jay Ratliff bowling over Randy Thomas and Rabach. They just are not getting it done. Free agency and the draft need to net us some new players who can step in and start right away next year. Heyer must not be the answer if he isn't playing.

When in the hell will we have anything resembling a competent offense that can consistenly score 20 or more?

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 17, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

You are what your record says you are and at 6-4 we are a just above an average team in the NFL, nothing more. We will remain a mid tier team until someone decides to block defensive lineman, that's where it starts and ends in my book.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 17, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Skins threw it 35 times for 136 yards, 3.9 yds/pass...was Mark Brunell dressed as Jason Campbell?

Shaun Alexander...how did he score 27 TD's a few years ago?

Santana Moss...always catches the bombs!

The Hogs are now the piglets.

Can't we move the pocket? Campbell throws good on the run.

Posted by: larrye98 | November 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

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