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Watch Texas Stadium blow up, er, be humanely put down

Updated 10:40 a.m. April 11

On a slow Sunday morning, what could be better than watching a hated sports stadium blow up real good be demolished in a tightly-controlled, well-engineered implosion? Say goodbye to Texas Stadium, which came down shortly after 8 a.m. EDT, in your own special way with memories of the joint (watch the language, please). And, yes, it's wrong to say the Cowboys should have been in it at the time.

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By Cindy Boren  |  April 10, 2010; 3:08 PM ET
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MistaMoe-

I agree...let's not be crazy. Albert Haynesworth is a "monster" when on the field. Andre Carter had what...4 or 5 sacks the year before?

If you can't get a good deal for him, you gotta bring him back and play him and make him fit your scheme. The other thing that is interesting is that Haynesworth hasn't said anything out of the way. In fact, the last quote I heard, he said that he didn't necessarily wanna play the nose, but he would do whatever they asked...

Where's Reid getting this stuff from?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

(repost as I march out to mow the lawn)

"Maybe of all people he should be the first one working out since HIS PROGRAM OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WORK LAST YEAR."

His claim, supported by other players with the same beef, is that last year's regime really didn't have a well-thoughtout off-season conditioning plan.

If you want AH gone, fine.

But who do you replace him with?

We need a tackle to replace Griff, and moving AH means you'll need another.

So you move AH and suddenly need two defensive tackles.

Name them, please.

You can't?

Thought so.

Plus moving him mean you have to draft a tackle with one of the picks you get when you really should use the pick to acquire offensive lineman, thus breaking even when you need to come out ahead.

So maybe Haney is of more value to us than others and mistamayor has convienently avoided the truth about the depth of the team's tackle rotation.

We have no one past Golston, Montgomery, Kemo, Daniels that can step in and be true player like AH.

So why fan the flames and drive him away?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

More AH speculation anyone? In other news the cowpies suck, I wish that new stadium was coming down as well, right on Jerry Jones'facelift. You know he wouldn't be able to stop grinning the whole time it was crushing him.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | April 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I thought that place imploded already? You know, when Mark Brunell put two rainbows over Roy Williams' head into the arms of Santana Moss for an improbable Monday night win the night they were honoring the Sh*tlets?

Well if not they shoulda...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 10, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Pro Bowl running back" on the trading block

Posted by Mike Florio on April 10, 2010 3:44 PM ET
Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports reports that an unnamed (for now) Pro Bowl running back is on the trading block.

Robinson (via Twitter) says that knows the name of the tailback and the teams involved. He says he'll reveal the player soon, that it won't be shocking, and that it's not Cowboys tailback Marion Barber.

In 2009, the Pro Bowl running backs were Chris Johnson, Maurice Jones-Drew, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, DeAngelo Williams, and Frank Gore.

In 2008, they were Thomas Jones, Johnson, Ronnie Brown, Marshawn Lynch, Peterson, Clinton Portis, and Michael Turner.

In 2007, they were LaDainian Tomlinson, Joseph Addai, Fred Taylor, Willie Parker,Willis McGahee, Peterson, Barber, and Brian Westbrook.

We're guessing that it's Lynch, and possibly McGahee.

Posted by: Copious1 | April 10, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Obama asked Hanny and Shanny over for beers?
We have two guys that are asserting themselves and being egged on by the media. They need to take a do over and calm down. Big Al does need to bite the bullet instead of a hamburger, and support his team. Mister Mike needs to back off the rhetoric, what little there has been, and let some team captains to work this out. Al is not a bum, he is upset and making himself look bad. And right now, he has nothing to lose but respect.

Posted by: chalkjock | April 10, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Where's Reid getting this stuff from?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 3:17 PM

Two groundskeepers and the cleaning lady.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 10, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Its Chris Johnson for AH!!!

(ok, discuss amongst yourselves, lol)

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 10, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Where's Reid getting this stuff from?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 3:17 PM

His super secret agent source is the parking lot attendant.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 10, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The Skins marching into Dallas wearing Army fatigues with Riggo!

Posted by: artsnsportz | April 10, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The Skins marching into Dallas wearing Army fatigues with Riggo and winning!

Posted by: artsnsportz | April 10, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

too bad this is on at like 4 am pst...maybe i'll stay up all night get wasted and yell at the tv as it's crumbling to the ground

Posted by: BMACattack | April 10, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Will this be kosher? Is a rabbi involved?

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Funny. Blow 'em up with dynamite would be a glorious sight. Favorite memory in that stadium would be the 14-13 thriller.

Posted by: RedCherokee | April 10, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

More AH speculation anyone? In other news the cowpies suck, I wish that new stadium was coming down as well, right on Jerry Jones'facelift. You know he wouldn't be able to stop grinning the whole time it was crushing him.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | April 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

LOL...For some reason, I couldn't stop laughing after reading this.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 10, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

yawn... scratches against barbed wire fence, swishes tail lazily, and dreams of goring cowboys. wakes up and realizes we've been on the receiving end of this 'rivalry' for the past decade or two.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

In other news the cowpies suck, I wish that new stadium was coming down as well, right on Jerry Jones'facelift. You know he wouldn't be able to stop grinning the whole time it was crushing him.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | April 10, 2010 3:33 PM

Are you saying he fell into the same vat as The Joker?

Posted by: skinfanman | April 10, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for all the pro Scamp rhetoric on the last thread folks. Believe me, when the Repubs are in office they will get plenty of my vitriole as well. Much of what I say is nothing more than antagonistic propoganda to stir up sh!t. I am actually more of a Libertarian than anything if you must know. I'm for less government all the way around. I believe in personal responsibility and decisions. I don't believe in a government that thinks it knows best when all they do is screw up everything they touch. It's just easy to go after the dems right now because, well, there they are. These idiotic Republican ba$tards aren't doing anything to help right now either. They attempt to block EVERYTHING no matter if it has reasonable merit or not. But see, I'm okay with that because if nothing gets done by an ineffective, corrupt, immoral, and dishonest government that just means more has to get done by hardworking, responsible, and honest citizens like ourselves. I rail against Dems more than others because they think they know whats right for everyone and then appoint tax cheats to run the treasury and IRS.

I really don't think liberals are morons because they are liberals. I think people are morons because they believe everything these lying bastards have to say no matter which side of the aisle. In conclussion I chant:

"Down with term limits and career politicians."

RI Rulz
HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

From MrIrrelevant blog, on a player from J Madison who is undergoing the pre-draft screening process:

"In terms of meeting with the coaches, what were some of the stranger or unexpected questions that you got?
"Oh, what did I get? I’m trying to think, because they had some unexpected questions… I got you one: I was with the Redskins, and the guy asked me, if I’m coming into camp, I’m 30 minutes early, I’m sitting in the front row of the meeting room. Brian Orakpo walks in and says, “That’s my chair.” Am I going to get up and give him my spot, or am I going to sit there and fight him for a chair? … You know, I was just like, I’ll slide over, because I mean, he’s the million-dollar man; it’s not that important. So he was like, “Oh, so you’re scared of him?” And I was like, no. And he was like, “So why don’t you go fight him?” There was kind of like no right answer to the question and everything, the way he was asking it."

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Blow It Up!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"I really don't think liberals are morons because they are liberals. I think people are morons because they believe everything these lying bastards have to say no matter which side of the aisle. In conclussion I chant:"Down with term limits and career politicians."

OK, this has to be a troll. I just don't see how anyone could say such dumb stuff and mean it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm not aiming this at you scamp. But you did inspire it. This morning I went to a bake sale/ yard sale being held as a benefit for my neighbor. He’s a 3-year old little boy recently diagnosed with leukemia. The family has health insurance but the provider has denied payment for much of his care. So neighbors have pitched in, baking cookies and pies and donating items to the sale— all to raise money for his treatment. A couple of folks who dropped by, either as shopper or volunteers, sported anti “Obamacare” stickers on their cars. It seems they have trouble connecting the dots. My question is this: why does the law prevent me from grabbing them by the hair and smashing their empty heads together?

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 1:29 PM |

I think you are the one not connecting the dots my friend. These people are helping out because they CHOOSE to, not because the government takes their money from them and does it in a much less effective way. I think it's great to help people. I volunteer more than 10 hours a week at various things from homeless to church to drug and alcohol addiction. Why? Because it's the right thing to do not because the damn govt. tells me too.

I'm not saying insurance companies are right for the things they do, but we have the best healthcare in the world so we must be doing something right. All more govt. does is add more hands to the cookie jar.

One last thing, if healthcare is such a right why do you have to fine people for not get insured for it? And if your plan is so damn good, why did you exempt yourselves from it?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"I really don't think liberals are morons because they are liberals. I think people are morons because they believe everything these lying bastards have to say no matter which side of the aisle. In conclussion I chant:"Down with term limits and career politicians."

OK, this has to be a troll. I just don't see how anyone could say such dumb stuff and mean it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 5:04 PM |

If you don't get this than you are one of the morons I'm talking about. You probably work in DC and so are in hock to a sh!tty govt. for everything you have. You may not even be employed which makes it even more likely that you are lickin' their nutz for everything you get. If you're not one of the people that believes everything you see on TV and read in a newspaper then you can disregard. Get it? Didn't think so.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying insurance companies are right for the things they do, but we have the best healthcare in the world so we must be doing something right. All more govt. does is add more hands to the cookie jar."

yeah, this sort of nonsense is meant to provoke, not illuminate. Book it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying insurance companies are right for the things they do, but we have the best healthcare in the world so we must be doing something right. All more govt. does is add more hands to the cookie jar."

yeah, this sort of nonsense is meant to provoke, not illuminate. Book it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 5:14 PM

I knew you were a government lackey. You probably think these politicians are the greatest thing since your mama's wet kisses down below.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe in a government that thinks it knows best when all they do is screw up everything they touch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 4:58 PM

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Scamp, you may be right about how our government works (or doesn't work.)

but what other means do we have for keeping big business in check? We do need responsible governance, and I agree with you, we ain't currently got it.

Remember, though, the Redskins suck and you're still a fan.

Get the corporate money out of the political process -- institute a $25 per person limit on campaign contributions. Either that, or give all the candidates for political office the same amount of money to spend on their respective campaigns -- and make it a VERY low number.

--POWER TO THE PEOPLE--

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 10, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Get the corporate money out of the political process -- institute a $25 per person limit on campaign contributions. Either that, or give all the candidates for political office the same amount of money to spend on their respective campaigns -- and make it a VERY low number.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 10, 2010 5:20 PM

That was recently declared unconstitutional -- freedom of speech and all that.

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

To Scamp75, It is unfortunate that you can't find a Republican Right Wing paper that has a Redskins blog.

Republican based conservative right wing media outlets spew a bunch of lies and BS just as much as you say the liberal ones do.

As far as Fat Albert, he is better than anyone we have, and better than anyone out there, including any rookie because they are at this point unknown commodoties. I hope they don't trade him.

Oh, and spit that tea bag out of your mouth! LOL!

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 1:35 PM |

True that, the right wingers and their media lie and decieve just as much. Last I checked 40% of teapartiers were Democrats and Indies. Seeing as how that is really a tax reform movement you shouldn't have any problem understanding that.

As far as Fat Albert, you're right. There isn't any better options out there right now than him.

Chia, you're right, something must keep big business in check. Problem is, big government is just as bad if not worse. They don't actual make anything of value and they take.

Samson, I was reading back through your posts and have yet to see anything of any real substance so until you can come up with an original thought you can go back to those nickle truckstop BJ's you were attending to and bite me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

And yes Chia, our Skins still suck and yet I'm still a fan...glutton for punishment I guess.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe in a government that thinks it knows best when all they do is screw up everything they touch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 4:58 PM

scamp... when you're ready to live completely off the grid (no roads, police, utilities, military, social services, jails, schools, courts, firemen, pro-sport stadiums, etc.) without ANY support from tax-funded government services, then I'll believe you. up here in northern Idaho, we have lots of those folks. but then they're usually first in line to collect unemployment.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey scamp, everyone is a libertarian until their house catches on fire. It's a lightweight belief system. Most people out grow it. Those who don't use it as justification for indulging their basest, most selfish instincts- I got mine, screw everyone else. Here's the difference between us. You fear government. I fear corporations. Especially ones like the insurance companies, who are outright screwing my neighbor, and millions of other policy holders everyday.
So if you don't support health care reform but think you're doing your part to help a sick child and suffering family by buying a cookie at a bake sale, well don't be surprised if someone like me wants to feed it to you.

BTW here's what I was going to post before you got cute.

Hey CL. I've got no real beef with scamp either. We disagree on just about everything except the skins but I like the guy. He's one of the few who can dish it out and take it.

BTW if the neighborhood felt slightly cooler than usual a few weeks ago it's because I was in town for a visit. Got to bike ride in Prospect park with the fixed gear hipsters (losers) and ate my weight in a few really good restaurants. I love Brooklyn.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 4:29 PM

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe in a government that thinks it knows best when all they do is screw up everything they touch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 4:58 PM

scamp... when you're ready to live completely off the grid (no roads, police, utilities, military, social services, jails, schools, courts, firemen, pro-sport stadiums, etc.) without ANY support from tax-funded government services, then I'll believe you. up here in northern Idaho, we have lots of those folks. but then they're usually first in line to collect unemployment.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 5:36 PM |

Look, I'm not advocating a complete lack of government. What I'm saying is that the government should do what it was (in my belief) intended to do which was support the will and the operation of the country. A lot of what they do these days seems to be an overstepping of boudaries. The Constitution was meant to limit governement and protect the people from it. It certainly seems like government is trying to rule more than support. I don't like being lied to by my employees and that's what is happening here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Obama asked Hanny and Shanny over for beers?
Posted by: chalkjock | April 10, 2010 3:55 PM

Shanny is already drunk, needs no more beer!

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Memories of Texas Stadium?
1979 Riggo running down right sideline I am jumping up and down as a teen and the Skins were now leading 34-21 only to watch Dallas come back and win 35-34.

1983 Skins had lost to Dallas 31-30 in season opener at RFK. Both teams were 12-2, Riggo led the Skins to war in their camouflage and whipped the Cowgirls 31-10.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

scamp... when you're ready to live completely off the grid (no roads, police, utilities, military, social services, jails, schools, courts, firemen, pro-sport stadiums, etc.) ....

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 5:36 PM |

...the government should do what it was (in my belief) intended to do which was support the will and the operation of the country.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:43 PM

I'm guessing that of the government services that the cow cited, scamp would believe all are legitimate functions except utilities (which are nearly all private corporations already), some "social services," and sports stadiums?

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying insurance companies are right for the things they do, but we have the best healthcare in the world so we must be doing something right.
Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 5:14 PM

You are so naive! Please use Google to educate yourself, simply type "the best country in health care" USA is not even in the top 10. Great Britain, Germany, Canada, France........

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

1984 Darrell Green intercepted a pass and ran down the left sideline for a TD. Don't recall the score, but Skins won I think it was 30-28

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

BTW here's what I was going to post before you got cute.


Hey CL. I've got no real beef with scamp either. We disagree on just about everything except the skins but I like the guy. He's one of the few who can dish it out and take it. BTW if the neighborhood felt slightly cooler than usual a few weeks ago it's because I was in town for a visit. Got to bike ride in Prospect park with the fixed gear hipsters (losers) and ate my weight in a few really good restaurants. I love Brooklyn.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 4:29 PM

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 5:37 PM | R

I saw that, that's what the thanks was for on this thread. I understand where you are coming from, I just don't agree with it.I wasn't trying to insult you with that post I was just illustrating the difference between yours and my belief. You think it's okay to take people's money and use it for anything they want. I think people should step up to the plate and do it themselves instead of waiting for a handout. This country was partially built on a bunch of immigrants that came to this country because of the promise of an OPPORTUNITY. There was no promise that they would be taken care of, they had to work for it. I have empathy for your neighbor, my family has gone through a similar situation. We went into heavy debt to pay a bunch of medical bills. There are a lot of ways to fix the healthcare system and they're needed. I do believe in healthcare reform but I just don't believe what just happened is a viable way to do it.

As far as your Libertarian point of view well, that's a juvenile impression of it. I don't believe in Anarchy, I just believe the less people think they have to depend on government the less people will just sit on their a$$ and let them run things. Hell, why don't we all just get fired and live on the government dole. Where's the money gonna come from then.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:43 PM

hey scamp, I know mack hates on cows, but our point is the same... nobody wants it until they need it. we're all in this together. herd mentalities are bad, herd unity is good. there's a difference.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

USA is not even in the top 10. Great Britain, Germany, Canada, France........

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 5:51 PM

For the money we spend, our health outcomes are not what they should be. Under Obamacare we will be spending a lot more on health. Is there reason to believe that the outcomes will improve?

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

How the f*ck did people turn Texas Stadium's implosion into a political discussion? Geez, people...just when I though there couldn't be a worse topic than the Haynesworth debate, y'all go and prove me wrong...

Anyhoo...steering it back to football--Sam Farmer did a really cool mock draft where a beat writer for the team on the clock makes the pick. Hopefully this is what the first round looks like on draft day (especially pick #4):

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sc-spt-0411-farmer-nfl--20100410,0,1734979,full.story

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 10, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

You are so naive! Please use Google to educate yourself, simply type "the best country in health care" USA is not even in the top 10. Great Britain, Germany, Canada, France........

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 5:51 PM |

Yea, have you ever talked to a Canadien about their healthcare system? Doubt it or you wouldn't say that. There is a reason they come here for serious healthcare. Listen, we may not be the best, I may have overstated that for effect, but the quality of healthcare is there. Again, I'm not even really sure why I'm arguing about the healthcare system because I do believe it needs to be fixed. I just don't think this was the way to do it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

"Watch Texas Stadium blow up, er, be humanely put down"

Blow it up! And put Jerry Jones and Danny White in the mid field while doing that.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Obama asked Hanny and Shanny over for beers?
Posted by: chalkjock | April 10, 2010 3:55 PM

Shanny is already drunk, needs no more beer!


Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 5:44 PM

I thought it was cuz Obama's already drunk.

j/k

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Its Chris Johnson for AH!!!

(ok, discuss amongst yourselves, lol)

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 10, 2010 3:57 PM


You couldn't pull a trade like that with a gun and a ski mask...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 10, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Good natured political reparte is always a positive thing. Urges each other to think. You guys make a lot of good points. Thanks (except for Samsom and I'm sure everyone can tell what I think about people that are all insult and no substance, they get what they give.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

just when I though there couldn't be a worse topic than the Haynesworth debate, y'all go and prove me wrong...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 10, 2010 5:57 PM

Agreed -- worse than Haynesworth but at least it's more interesting than another JC debate.

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

1987 Gibbs takes the scabs in against Dallas who was playing several veterans like Dorsett, Randy White etc. and Skins actually won 13-7. Still recall our QB was Ed Reubert though, I can't remember how to spell his name. :)

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

except utilities (which are nearly all private corporations already)

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 5:51 PM

think about your water supply and waste removal... pretty stoked when the sewer line breaks in the public right-of-way, and bummed when it happens in your basement (been there, done that). how 'bout those 'skins?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

How the f*ck did people turn Texas Stadium's implosion into a political discussion? Geez, people...just when I though there couldn't be a worse topic than the Haynesworth debate, y'all go and prove me wrong...

Anyhoo...steering it back to football--Sam Farmer did a really cool mock draft where a beat writer for the team on the clock makes the pick. Hopefully this is what the first round looks like on draft day (especially pick #4):

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sc-spt-0411-farmer-nfl--20100410,0,1734979,full.story

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 10, 2010 5:57 PM

Sorry dude, I started that crap on the last thread. I tend to do that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm done piling on scamp. Sometimes people go a little extreme in their beliefs when they're arguing or defending them. I'm hoping that's the case with both of us.
And moodlymoodlymoo, sorry for the dikishness the other day. If you can get on my grill in ten minutes, I'll have you for dinner.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Agreed -- worse than Haynesworth but at least it's more interesting than another JC debate.

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 6:04 PM |

Don't say it...they'll come runnin'

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm done piling on scamp. Sometimes people go a little extreme in their beliefs when they're arguing or defending them. I'm hoping that's the case with both of us.
And moodlymoodlymoo, sorry for the dikishness the other day. If you can get on my grill in ten minutes, I'll have you for dinner.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 6:07 PM |

No prob. I don't take this sh!t personal when it's obvious that's not the intention.

Having said that

mmmmmm...red meat!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

1991 Chip Lohmiller kicked I think it was three FG over 50 yards as Skins beat Cowboys 33-31 on MNF.
Skins went 14-2 and destroyed all three opponents in playoffs and Super Bowl,leading Buffalo 37-10 before letting everyone play and winning 37-24


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

If you can get on my grill in ten minutes, I'll have you for dinner.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 6:07 PM

I'm there are already! medium rare please.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

For the money we spend, our health outcomes are not what they should be. Under Obamacare we will be spending a lot more on health. Is there reason to believe that the outcomes will improve?

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 5:57 PM

There will be no more insurance monopoly, now they have the government to compete with.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

oops... went with 45 gallons today, feeling a little tippy. not that tipping cows is funny.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Some of you people up here kill me talking about AH being lazy, and not playing enough snaps. It's already fact the guy played more snaps than only one other defender. The man is 300 plus pounds and when he is on the field he seems to give it his all.

The man is taking on at a minimum 600LBS.(2 o-lineman)on every play. Who the hell wouldn't be winded? It is hard enough just for a person well over 300 pounds just to walk around, never mind exerting yourself on a football field, and being double teamed by two people 300LBS or more.

Could he have been in better shape last year? Sure. And if Grandpa Blache would have used him the way he should have I'm sure he would have made an even bigger impact. How do you think AC got 11 sacks?
How do you think Orakpo was able to contend for Defensive Rookie of the year?

Albert Haynesworth.

At this point in time, he is the most dominat Dlineman in the NFL.

Oh, and remember when we played the Giants and he popped a certain monster of a RB they have like he was a rag doll?

I wouldn't want to get rid of that, and don't forget, our defense isn't that good where you want to get rid of it's best player.

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

1995 Skins were horrible! Went into Dallas and won w/ Heath Shuler I think at QB. Dallas won the SB and had lost both times to Skins that year if I recall correctly.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Yea, have you ever talked to a Canadien about their healthcare system? Doubt it or you wouldn't say that. There is a reason they come here for serious healthcare. Listen, we may not be the best, I may have overstated that for effect, but the quality of healthcare is there. Again, I'm not even really sure why I'm arguing about the healthcare system because I do believe it needs to be fixed. I just don't think this was the way to do it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:58 PM

If you have said the US have the best health care provider in the world, I will definitely agree with you, but the best health care system? No! USA is the only advance nation without appropriate health care system for her citizens, well, until Obama made that a past tense.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey 72Redskins,
You out there?
You and I are probably similar age group, as I recall the 72 Skins so well as a 9 year old boy!
To this day from memory can probably name 18 or 19 of the 22 starters.
How old were you in 72?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe in a government that thinks it knows best when all they do is screw up everything they touch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 4:58 PM

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Love America or leave it, pal!

PS: Hey a$$hat militia man, save your anti-government verbal vomit for the political blogs, not RI.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 10, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

RedskinRay1, I was the tender age of 14 and that is when I fell in love with the NFL and the Washington Redskins, mainly because of #43, Larry Brown. He was a tough running SOB! Just fearless. I've been hooked on these Redskins ever since, for better or worse, and will always be, until the day I die.

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying insurance companies are right for the things they do, but we have the best healthcare in the world so we must be doing something right.
Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 5:14 PM
You are so naive! Please use Google to educate yourself, simply type "the best country in health care" USA is not even in the top 10. Great Britain, Germany, Canada, France........
Posted by: abxinc |"

Um, I didn't say what you said I did. That was a quote from scampbell, who I am convinced is a troll.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying insurance companies are right for the things they do, but we have the best healthcare in the world so we must be doing something right.
Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 5:14 PM
You are so naive! Please use Google to educate yourself, simply type "the best country in health care" USA is not even in the top 10. Great Britain, Germany, Canada, France........
Posted by: abxinc |"

Um, I didn't say what you said I did. That was a quote from scampbell, who I am convinced is a troll.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

There will be no more insurance monopoly, now they have the government to compete with.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 6:12 PM

First off, there is no insurance monopoly. But more to your point, the government is not "competing" against anyone. The "public option" was not in the bill. It was in the House bill, but not the Senate bill that passed.

What the law did not do, that would greatly have increased competition, was to allow consumers to shop for insurance across state lines. Insurance is regulated by the states and they all have different ideas about it and, consequently, different prices. If you could find cheaper insurance in Idaho, but live in Georgia, you can't buy it. The law did not change this.

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"For the money we spend, our health outcomes are not what they should be. Under Obamacare we will be spending a lot more on health. Is there reason to believe that the outcomes will improve?Posted by: League-Source"

Yes. But it will be years before we see it clearly.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey, can we get back to football and to hell with this healthcare crap?

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

There will be no more insurance monopoly, now they have the government to compete with.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 6:12 PM

And, by the way, if you think that insurance companies are cheating people and making excess profits, they are public corporations and you can own shares in them. If you are correct, it would be a good way to get rich.

But health insurance stocks have done miserably. United Health is one of the largest. It sold for $65 a share in 2006. Today it sells for $32 a share. Aetna was $32 a share in 2008 and is $34 today. Etc.

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Aetna was $32 a share in 2008 and is $34 today. Etc.

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 6:54 PM |

Aetna was $59 a share in 2008 -- $34 today.

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Love America or leave it, pal!

PS: Hey a$$hat militia man, save your anti-government verbal vomit for the political blogs, not RI.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 10, 2010 6:37 PM |

Oh, I do love America, and it's right to free speech you phukin' nazi. I can love it and hate the govt. at the same time. I'm sure you are way too small minded to understand that though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Love America or leave it, pal!

PS: Hey a$$hat militia man, save your anti-government verbal vomit for the political blogs, not RI.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 10, 2010 6:37 PM |

It's phukin' retards like this that make any sort of politica, debate pointless. While this guy is busy smokin the pole of any politician that will acknowledge his pointless little existence real citizens know that America is not defined by it's governing body but by it's citizens. Go back to skool and leern yo hiztory boy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Health Care rant:

The fundamental flaw of the current system is that you don't have to have insurance yet you can't be denied treatment. We should either start to deny treatment or require insurance. Obviously, one of those options is more appealing than the other.

We are extremely unhealthy compared to other countries. It cost more here because we use more. Obesity, heart disease, lung cancer, diabetes, and high blood pressure are all expensive to treat. We need to stop being fat.

Doctors are afraid of malpractice suits so they do as much as possible to avoid them. This creates a lot of waste. This includes prescribing people unecessary medications and running unecessary tests. We need tort reform and we need to be more resistent to allowing waste.

Chronic disease is increasing as our lifespans increase. Chronic diseases are expensive. Many who are chronically ill can not work therefore they aren't paying anything at all. This is tough. What can you do about this? Throw sick people in the tar pits?

The elderly may fall into the chronically ill category and their treatments are expensive. Nursing care is expensive. As the baby boomers get older we're going to need more and more nursing care. Hmm, we may need bigger tar pits.

The current health care reform should reduce costs but like anything the government ever does it will fail once it's implemented and end up costing 80 times more than the proposed cause. It should lead to more people getting treatment so we have that going for us.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 10, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying insurance companies are right for the things they do, but we have the best healthcare in the world so we must be doing something right.
Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 5:14 PM
You are so naive! Please use Google to educate yourself, simply type "the best country in health care" USA is not even in the top 10. Great Britain, Germany, Canada, France........
Posted by: abxinc |"

Um, I didn't say what you said I did. That was a quote from scampbell, who I am convinced is a troll.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 6:40 PM |

Um, I said that not Samson who I am convinced is a toothless truckstop hooker bloging from his cot at the back of the homeless shelter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey, can we get back to football and to hell with this healthcare crap?

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 6:46 PM

OK you're right, let's get back to football, so we can all beat each other black and blue over JReid's rumors!

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

1991 Chip Lohmiller kicked I think it was three FG over 50 yards as Skins beat Cowboys 33-31 on MNF.
Skins went 14-2 and destroyed all three opponents in playoffs and Super Bowl,leading Buffalo 37-10 before letting everyone play and winning 37-24

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 6:10 PM |

I remember sitting in a hotel room in San Fran with my Father watching the Skins Broncos Super Bowl wondering how the hell are we going to come back from a 10-0 half time deficit. The I remember being absolutely giddy when we destroyed them in the second half. Doug Williams had that offense flying up and down the field. Ricky Williams was uncatchable.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Uh, make that Ricky Sanders...doh!...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying insurance companies are right for the things they do, but we have the best healthcare in the world...

You had me up until this point, Scamp.
By what measure do you reckon we have the "best healthcare in the world?"

Posted by: RedskinWillie | April 10, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Aetna was $59 a share in 2008 -- $34 today.

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 6:56 PM

Now u getting my point.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying insurance companies are right for the things they do, but we have the best healthcare in the world...

You had me up until this point, Scamp.
By what measure do you reckon we have the "best healthcare in the world?"

Posted by: RedskinWillie | April 10, 2010 7:14 PM |

I was a little overzealous there my friend. We have some great health care available, the system is a little screwed up though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Aetna was $59 a share in 2008 -- $34 today.

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 6:56 PM

If you are a day trader, think short selling health, go long on renewable energy!

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe is on the beat....

It sucks being out of the loop.

I just found out that prematurely gray CNN reporter Anderson Cooper is gay when all I thought he was just an effeminate albino with a job in journalism.

He could be the first homosexual to endorse the haircare product 'Just For Men' (obviously) with an ad line that shouts, "The gray is okay if you're gay."

Sunday is golf all day as Tiger Woods will hopefully get his balls in a hole without folks complaining about adultery.

Sarah Palin is still running for president as she realized that the award for the nation's biggest airhead has already been won by Nancy Pelosi.

My oldest daughter's non-sports loving boyfriend asked me if the Lakers and Red Wings were in the NCAA Final Four.

Talk about being out of a loop.

He thinks safe sex is when you do it by yourself in a dark room with the door locked.

This information explained the strong grip of his right handshake.

A redskin fan was retrieved from the rubble left in the wake of the earthquake in Haiti just the other day.

He survived on a Big Gulp, "The Collected Posts of RedDmv, ed. 1" and youtube clips of Charlie Casserly complaining about Jason Campbell's indecision.

He was later told that Donovan McNabb is now the team's starting quarterback.

He immediately pulled the needle out of the back of the Vinny Cerrato voodoo doll he had cradled beneath tons of rubble and shouted, "The curse is over," and died.

Just like my attempt at sarcasm and humor did in this post.

Only now that I'm in the loop, I know less than when I was out and didn't know anything.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

If you don't get this than you are one of the morons I'm talking about. You probably work in DC and so are in hock to a sh!tty govt. for everything you have. You may not even be employed which makes it even more likely that you are lickin' their nutz for everything you get. If you're not one of the people that believes everything you see on TV and read in a newspaper then you can disregard. Get it? Didn't think so.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 5:12 PM
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Why do you hate America? Red, White, and Blue - the colors that never run, buddy!

Love it or leave it!

Posted by: hithere1 | April 10, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

My oldest daughter's non-sports loving boyfriend asked me if the Lakers and Red Wings were in the NCAA Final Four.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 7:20 PM |

And by boyfriend do you mean girlfriend?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Why do you hate America? Red, White, and Blue - the colors that never run, buddy!

Love it or leave it!

Posted by: hithere1 | April 10, 2010 7:22 PM |

I've already reponded to your idiocy. Once again r e a l l y s l o w l y. O u r c o u n t r y i s d e f i n e d b y t h e p e o p l e n o t t h e g o v t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Why do you hate America? Red, White, and Blue - the colors that never run, buddy!

Love it or leave it!

Posted by: hithere1 | April 10, 2010 7:22 PM |
OOOps! I thought our colors are Burgundy and Gold.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

maroon and black, please... try to keep up!

Posted by: daggar | April 10, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"Love America or leave it, pal!"

The beautiful thing about this country is that you have the opportunity to do both or neither.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

OK you're right, let's get back to football, so we can all beat each other black and blue over JReid's rumors!

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 7:06 PM |
OOOps! I thought our colors are Burgundy and Gold.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 7:32 PM |

Okay I'm a little confused. You just said we're black and blue and now you're saying we're burgundy and gold? AHHHHH!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

1987 Gibbs takes the scabs in against Dallas who was playing several veterans like Dorsett, Randy White etc. and Skins actually won 13-7. Still recall our QB was Ed Reubert though, I can't remember how to spell his name. :)

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 6:05 PM
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good mammory RedskinRay...
Ribbert was portrayed by Keanu Reeves in the Replacements..
trivia.. he is only one of other QBs in Redskins History that have started at least one game and have a QB rating above 100. Although Ribbert played against other replacements except a few spineless Cowboy scabs that crossed the line..

1987 Ed Ribbert, 3 games
49 Atts, 26 comps, 1 INT QB Rating 110.2

The other QBs,
1939 Frank Filchock, 9 games
89 Atts 55 comps, 4 INTs 111.6 QB Rating.

1945 Sammy Baugh, 8 games
182 Atts 128 comps, 4 INTs 109.9 QB Rating.

2007 creaky old Todd Collins who hadnt started a game in 10 years and with an allegedly terrible OLine, in 4 games
105 Atts, 67 Comps, 0 INTs QB Rating 106.4

And before any JC lovers bust an artery.. if you take the last 4 games JC started in 2007 before Collins' 4 games (and comparable snaps)... his QB rating was 80.
Collins' zero interceptions gave him a huge QB rating boost, as it should.

This was more about Ribbert trivia, and the other 3 redskins QBs with ratings above 100 than JC.

Besides, we all know JC is going to be pulling on a Bills or Rams jersey in 12 days.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"You know, when Mark Brunell put two rainbows over Roy Williams' head into the arms of Santana Moss for an improbable Monday night win the night they were honoring the Sh*tlets?"

It's funny, those two plays ruined that guys career. Just like when the Saints did it to Laron Landry last year.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 10, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Besides, we all know JC is going to be pulling on a Bills or Rams jersey in 12 days.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:37 PM

Here's a question? My wife's name is Jeana. Our last name should be obvious. I bought her a jersey when we still had Khary so it's the one that has J. Campbell on it. Is it alright for her to wear it when he's gone?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Love America or leave it, pal!"

The beautiful thing about this country is that you have the opportunity to do both or neither.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 7:36 PM

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cant "leave it"....not completely.. new tax law.. You can leave the US and live and work in another country but, you will always have to pay US taxes until you become officially expatriated.. takes nearly 10 years in some countries.. AND you still have to pay taxes in the country you moved to.. Its killing overseas US companies who wish to relocate key employees...
(apologies..I digressed.. its near the tax deadline).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Besides, we all know JC is going to be pulling on a Bills or Rams jersey in 12 days.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:37 PM

Here's a question? My wife's name is Jeana. Our last name should be obvious. I bought her a jersey when we still had Khary so it's the one that has J. Campbell on it. Is it alright for her to wear it when he's gone?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:42 PM
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it could cause problems in the bedroom for you when JC comes back and kicks our ass.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey 72Redskins!
You were 14 and I was 9.
Were you like me, also living in the DC area where you could watch each televised game and read the Post?

#43 was fearless, wasn't he?
so was #37 and 41 Pat Fisher and Mike Bass, those guys played hard!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

it could cause problems in the bedroom for you when JC comes back and kicks our ass.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:47 PM |

Hmmm... as long as it's me in the bedroom and not Jason I'd be okay with it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Attention all true Redskin Fans!

NFL Network tonight, in just ten minutes at 8:00 PM is rebroadcasting Super Bowl VII.
It was played January in 1973

It was the first SB appearance for our Redskins. Yes, we lost 14-7, but this edited [sped up] version will allow you to see and hear what I saw as a 9 year old boy.

We had just destroyed the Cowboys at RFK 26-3 in the NFC Championship Game.
Miami was 16-0 having won all 14 regular season games and both playoff games.
Yet somehow Skins were actually favored.
I remember as a kid that being so confusing for me, because I thought 16-0?
Do we even stand a chance?
Apparently the way we dismantled the Cowboys caused Vegas to make us the favorite!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

cant "leave it"....not completely.. new tax law.. You can leave the US and live and work in another country but, you will always have to pay US taxes until you become officially expatriated.. takes nearly 10 years in some countries.. AND you still have to pay taxes in the country you moved to.. Its killing overseas US companies who wish to relocate key employees...
(apologies..I digressed.. its near the tax deadline).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:44 PM |

Just another way to keep us from leaving maybe? kinda like the Berlin Wall? (I am kidding here people, just to let you know.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

it could cause problems in the bedroom for you when JC comes back and kicks our ass.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:47 PM |

Hmmm... as long as it's me in the bedroom and not Jason I'd be okay with it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:51 PM
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depends on if he is a Starter or a Backup.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Attention all true Redskin Fans!

NFL Network tonight, in just ten minutes at 8:00 PM is rebroadcasting Super Bowl VII.
It was played January in 1973

It was the first SB appearance for our Redskins. Yes, we lost 14-7, but this edited [sped up] version will allow you to see and hear what I saw as a 9 year old boy.

We had just destroyed the Cowboys at RFK 26-3 in the NFC Championship Game.
Miami was 16-0 having won all 14 regular season games and both playoff games.
Yet somehow Skins were actually favored.
I remember as a kid that being so confusing for me, because I thought 16-0?
Do we even stand a chance?
Apparently the way we dismantled the Cowboys caused Vegas to make us the favorite!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 7:52 PM
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saw the footage..
In my pinion, Sonny would of won the game.. Didnt he beat the same Dolphins team at RFK in 74?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

depends on if he is a Starter or a Backup.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:54 PM

I better not let the missus read this.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Sonny led a miraculous finish in 74, I still remember that, but no, it was not the same Miami team? It was two years later.
And much changes take place in the NFL in one year and many more in two!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

depends on if he is a Starter or a Backup.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 7:54 PM

I better not let the missus read this.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 7:57 PM
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my wife thinks he's cute..So, I tried sitting on a bench, that we have in the hallway, and I just stared blankly off into space at nothing for about 5 minutes (you know like between offensive series on the sidelines).... Didnt do anything for her...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Sonny was on IR having tore an Achilles Tendon against the NY Giants up in the old terrible turf of Yankee stadium.
Recall he said, No one even touched him, turf was uneven, stepped in uneven spot, tore the Achilles.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

my wife thinks he's cute..So, I tried sitting on a bench, that we have in the hallway, and I just stared blankly off into space at nothing for about 5 minutes (you know like between offensive series on the sidelines).... Didnt do anything for her...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 8:05 PM

Maybe it's cuz you didn't have the right five guys in front of you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

my wife thinks he's cute..So, I tried sitting on a bench, that we have in the hallway, and I just stared blankly off into space at nothing for about 5 minutes (you know like between offensive series on the sidelines).... Didnt do anything for her...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 8:05 PM

Maybe it's cuz you didn't have the right five guys in front of you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 8:08 PM
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haha..good.
Yeah.. I dont take her out to Chinese restaurants anymore because she gets a giggle out of ordering "sum yung guy".. Funny the 1st time.. abusive the 30th time..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Boy, over the years I completely forgot about that fumbled snap they then penalized the Skins and took away that fumble recovery to start the game.
Who knows what would have happened had the Skins been given the ball at the 30??

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

There will be no more insurance monopoly, now they have the government to compete with.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Ouch. I never thought I wjould see "government" and "compete" used in the same sentence. You must be joking. The only competition you will get from a government plan is "can you give away more than I can?"

Posted by: frediefritz | April 10, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Who knows what would have happened had the Skins been given the ball at the 30??

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:12 PM
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is this the whole game or just highlights?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"Is it alright for her to wear it (a Jason Campbell jersey) when he's gone?"


I'd say, yeah.

No matter how we felt about his play, no true redskin fan can hate on Jason Campbell.

Dude played hard, never complained, and now has been pushed aside like a car you own, but no longer want to drive.

The goofy Sanchez/Cutler pangs he must've endured can't compare to watching D McNabb--one of the league's best--take the spot he took 43 sacks for.

Tell the wife to rock the Campbell jersey with pride.

'Cuz if anything, Campbell is a proud guy.

And I'm talking about her husband, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Some of you people up here kill me talking about AH being lazy, and not playing enough snaps. It's already fact the guy played more snaps than only one other defender. The man is 300 plus pounds and when he is on the field he seems to give it his all.

The man is taking on at a minimum 600LBS.(2 o-lineman)on every play. Who the hell wouldn't be winded? It is hard enough just for a person well over 300 pounds just to walk around, never mind exerting yourself on a football field, and being double teamed by two people 300LBS or more.

Could he have been in better shape last year? Sure. And if Grandpa Blache would have used him the way he should have I'm sure he would have made an even bigger impact. How do you think AC got 11 sacks?
How do you think Orakpo was able to contend for Defensive Rookie of the year?

Albert Haynesworth.

At this point in time, he is the most dominat Dlineman in the NFL.

Oh, and remember when we played the Giants and he popped a certain monster of a RB they have like he was a rag doll?

I wouldn't want to get rid of that, and don't forget, our defense isn't that good where you want to get rid of it's best player.

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I've tried to make that same point several times since all this came up. How could he not tire out hand-fighting 2 OL on every play?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 10, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Yea Moe, I've always liked JC. Couldn't get it done here for any number of reasons but always a stand up cat.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

It's the entire game folks.
It's the actual rebroadcast of the game.
Bringing back many memories:
Curt Gowdy play by play
Over the Hill Gang
Billy Kilmer at QB and George Allen being so conservative...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The science of Suh, Hit the replay video button in the center right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/43405/the-sport-science-of-ndamukong-suh

Posted by: TWISI | April 10, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

The goofy Sanchez/Cutler pangs he must've endured can't compare to watching D McNabb--one of the league's best--take the spot he took 43 sacks for.
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It will boil his blood when he sees an actual NFL Offensive Line in Ashburn. There's the real rub.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Billy Kilmer at QB and George Allen being so conservative...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:26 PM
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saw Kilmer at a golf event in FL.. I think the arthritis is doing a number on him.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

It will boil his blood when he sees an actual NFL Offensive Line in Ashburn. There's the real rub.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well we need to do more than draft one LT.
Shanny and Allen will need to go out and get another OL or two before we have "an actual NFL Offensive Line in Ashburn".

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I imagine Kilmer must be 70 by now!
Having played QB in the NFL all those years and now 70, would be tough on anyone, whether they had arthritis or not, huh?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Just checked, Billy Kilmer is indeed 70, and will be 71 in September.
Man, these Famous Skins I watched as a child are now old men.

Just heard them mention Harold McClinton on the SB VII re-broadcast. McClinton was killed several years ago.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey SkinsneedaGM,
You live in FL?
I was born and raised in NVA reading the WASH Post and watching Warner Wolf etc.
and I now live in FL too.
Where do you live?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Boy, over the years I completely forgot about that fumbled snap they then penalized the Skins and took away that fumble recovery to start the game.
Who knows what would have happened had the Skins been given the ball at the 30??

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I thought for a second maybe the Skin over the ball took a swat at it, causing the bungled snap. If not that, what was the illegal procedure call for?

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Watching the game, we gotta bring back the gold pants, so much better than the white ones

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 10, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Smack,
There was not a good explanation provided.
I think the illegal procedure was that we illegally hit the ball as they were trying to snap it.
You may have noticed there are not Referee's broadcasting the penalty and whom it is against.
I think that started about 5 years later.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that is the same Sam Wyche.
Do recall as a kid he was backup QB.
Sonny Jurgensen was injured [torn Achilles Tendon] and on IR.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

72 NFL QB TD Leaders

Joe Namath 19 TDs
Billy Kilmer 19 TDs

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 10, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Gold Pants?
You like those?
I recall vividly we gave up the mustard pants I used to call them, when Joe Gibbs took over.

I liked the change to the big stripe down the side.


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

14-0, ouch! Only Super Gary-o can save the Skins now.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Trying to figure out O-line

looks like

Hermeling
Laaveg
Hauss
Wilbur
Rock

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 10, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

1983 Skins had lost to Dallas 31-30 in season opener at RFK. Both teams were 12-2, Riggo led the Skins to war in their camouflage and whipped the Cowgirls 31-10.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Was that the "No Danny! NO!!!!" game?

I loved that game... Landry was apoplectic after DWhite snapped the ball on 4th and 1 and got stoned for a loss of two as I recall.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 10, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, 83 in Dallas was the "No, Danny" game.
I think White handed off to Tony Dorsett and he was tackled for a 2 yard loss.
Is that correct?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Billy Kilmer is so painful to watch.
On that drive alone, on three plays Skins WRs were indeed open and he can't get it to them. Blown opportunities and Kilmer really was to blame.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

No Danny and Aikman Lavar'd are my two worst memories from the old dump. Both against the Skins, so there you go.

Best was also against the Skins. Someone mentioned this before, but this one has a macaw voiced by a...typewriter?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9d2hcLUIk

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9d2hcLUIk

not that it's all that great

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey SkinsneedaGM,
You live in FL?
I was born and raised in NVA reading the WASH Post and watching Warner Wolf etc.
and I now live in FL too.
Where do you live?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 8:48 PM
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no, I was with a retired player. It was a benefit for Kilmer's foundation.
Wish I did live in FL.. Grew up and worked in NVA.. but, moved to cold ass Boston (north shore) 10 years ago.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Quick, anyone recall what happens on this drive?
I still get frustrated from this childhood memory.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

This game isn't really all that sped up.

Speaking of long and grinding.

That's what she said. Oi.

I'm glad the game has evolved to where we are now, even though it hasn't been totally organic.

You said organic.

Voluntary.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

And there it is...Unbelievable
And the rules committee decided now we need to change the location of the goal posts.

Wide Open TD to Jerry Smith wiped out by the Goal Posts!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

damn..skins actually are the better team on the field.. Kilmer had a bad game.. All those overthrows means he was tight. 'Should of had a shot of jack at the half.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

so, 8 years later, Riggo exceeds Csonka's SB rushing record against the 72 Skins.. Poetic justice?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

This is one boring SuperBowl!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 10, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Finally...That was all I was waiting for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 10, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope it goes into OT this time.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

the kid in the end zone with the funky hair and painters cap, congratulating Mike Bass on the TD, was Bruce Allen..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Mike Bass

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

They're taking ads like the sjk is live!

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I think it was Bruce Allen.

The game is boring if you weren't watching it then, if it was not the biggest game of your life as a kid!

The Skins moved the ball the entire 2nd half but Billy Kilmer could not hit open receivers in the red zone.

I still recall we had more yards and first downs....

And don't forget Kilmer threw that putrid INT just before the half giving Miami the ball around the 30 and they were only up 7-0. Skins should have gone in down 7-0.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Two consecutive plays where Miami went out of bounds... how stupid was that?

Skins will actually get the ball back, I remember.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Ray, I lived in Miami near the Orange Bowl, and was six years old at the time. old. I mostly remember asking my mom what all the damn honking was about.

Not a boring game at all, but it's like watching the Parliament Channel compared with what we have now.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I had no idea how much better the Skins played. Would of been 21-14 Skins win, if Sonny was in there. Must of tore him up watching this.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Such a fitting ending, Kilmer sacked, helmet knocked off.
He missed so many open receivers that day
I'm sure he has felt horrible about it for years....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

tebow = kilmer
unorthodox throwing motion, more running back than QB.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

No, Tebow moves so much better than Kilmer
And he even throws better.
But I do see where you are going w/ that.
Very creative.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Such a fitting ending, Kilmer sacked, helmet knocked off.
He missed so many open receivers that day
I'm sure he has felt horrible about it for years....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:29 PM

you guys are lifting me up here... love the old school mentality. thanks.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Such a fitting ending, Kilmer sacked, helmet knocked off.
He missed so many open receivers that day
I'm sure he has felt horrible about it for years....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:29 PM

you guys are lifting me up here... love the old school mentality. thanks.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 10:56 PM
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The SB #7 (skins/undefeated dolphins) was on the NFL network.. Ended about half an hour ago.. pretty amazing. Skins appeared to actually be the better team (stats, too).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"The science of Suh, Hit the replay video button in the center right."

He's a special player, all right. It's all about that explosive first step, and the power he can generate with his legs. I don't know why some people rate the Oklahoma tackle ahead of him as a pass rusher. He's excellent too, but Suh is one of a kind.

Unless he gets injured. Hamstrings, groin pull, something along that line -- that could really alter his game, and not for the better.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Such a fitting ending, Kilmer sacked, helmet knocked off.
He missed so many open receivers that day
I'm sure he has felt horrible about it for years....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:29 PM

Sounds familiar.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

The SB #7 (skins/undefeated dolphins) was on the NFL network.. Ended about half an hour ago.. pretty amazing. Skins appeared to actually be the better team (stats, too).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2010 11:03 PM

not much to see here 'off the grid' (no satellite/cable) but classic game nonetheless.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Some of you people up here kill me talking about AH being lazy, and not playing enough snaps. It's already fact the guy played more snaps than only one other defender. The man is 300 plus pounds and when he is on the field he seems to give it his all.

The man is taking on at a minimum 600LBS.(2 o-lineman)on every play. Who the hell wouldn't be winded? It is hard enough just for a person well over 300 pounds just to walk around, never mind exerting yourself on a football field, and being double teamed by two people 300LBS or more.

Could he have been in better shape last year? Sure. And if Grandpa Blache would have used him the way he should have I'm sure he would have made an even bigger impact. How do you think AC got 11 sacks?
How do you think Orakpo was able to contend for Defensive Rookie of the year?

Albert Haynesworth.

At this point in time, he is the most dominat Dlineman in the NFL.

Oh, and remember when we played the Giants and he popped a certain monster of a RB they have like he was a rag doll?

I wouldn't want to get rid of that, and don't forget, our defense isn't that good where you want to get rid of it's best player.

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I've tried to make that same point several times since all this came up. How could he not tire out hand-fighting 2 OL on every play?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 10, 2010 8:23 PM
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He may have played more plays than almost all of the other defenders, but in how many plays did he give it his all? How many plays ended up with him laying on the turf trying to get a breather? How many plays did he free lance and leave holes for running backs to run through on draws, delays and even the occasional shovel pass? It's like having a dog who catches the frisbee in his mouth nine out of ten tries, but every tenth time he eats the frisbee. After awhile, you get tired of replacing frisbees...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 10, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Jason Reid - I guess fans of bad teams have nothing else going for them but to watch old stadiums implode. On the other hand I have enjoyed watching Mcnabb imploding in the new stadium at the hands of Demarcus Ware. The Eagles have a decent offensive line. What is going to happen now?

Posted by: YourTeamnameisOffensive | April 10, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

due to visions of McNabb handing off to Spiller dancing in my head..
How much of a drop off is it to pick up the sorely needed OLine guys in the mid round or via trades? Begs the question too.. Is Spiller worth a 4th?? maybe not.. Trade down and get Spiller later..and a pick in the 3rd for a tackle?
Our current RBs are on the back end of their careers...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 11, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Such a fitting ending, Kilmer sacked, helmet knocked off.
He missed so many open receivers that day
I'm sure he has felt horrible about it for years....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:29 PM

Such a cruel fate that Sonny was injured.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 11, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Such a cruel fate that Sonny was injured.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 11, 2010 12:14 AM
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yeah.. I think sonny came back in 74 and beat the mostly same Dolphin team at RFK.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 11, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

due to visions of McNabb handing off to Spiller dancing in my head..
How much of a drop off is it to pick up the sorely needed OLine guys in the mid round or via trades? Begs the question too.. Is Spiller worth a 4th?? maybe not.. Trade down and get Spiller later..and a pick in the 3rd for a tackle?
Our current RBs are on the back end of their careers...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 11, 2010 12:05 AM

i think with Okung the 'skins get a Samuels type, draft him and roll with him for 10 years (of course, who really knows). Ben Tate of Auburn or Montario Hardesty of Tennessee would be perfect if either is still there in the fourth round.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 11, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Such a fitting ending, Kilmer sacked, helmet knocked off.
He missed so many open receivers that day
I'm sure he has felt horrible about it for years....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 10:29 PM

Such a cruel fate that Sonny was injured.

Posted by: skinfanman

It was funny watching those ol' Skins, ol' Whiskey and Co...Truly, the Skins receivers were WIDE open for some touchdowns, just didn't have the QB to throw deep..That was a really strong team the Skins had that year, probably emotionally drained from the ecstatic tidal wave 26-3 wuppin' they put on the 'pokes at RFK the week before..Ted Vactor blocked Yepremiam's kick, Mike Bass runnin' it in, NOSTRALGIA-VILLE!! (humanity's doomed anyway, so what the f*ck?)..Seemed pretty subdued overall ('Nam was still bakin', and the Cold War still coldin', I reckon), SB VII..Shame Whiskey had a bad game, Taylor WAS OPEN!!

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Such a cruel fate that Sonny was injured.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 11, 2010 12:14 AM
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yeah.. I think sonny came back in 74 and beat the mostly same Dolphin team at RFK.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Yes he did. I so remember that classic game. I can literally visualize the final drive.

Sonny throws 3 picks in the 1st half -- his 1st start of the season. Second half, he torches the Fins. Not sure what his QB rating was, but 19 of 25 for 240 yards and 2TDs is darn near perfect. Still, the Skins trail 17-13 with 1:47 to go when Griese tosses a TD pass.

Herb Mul-Key returns the subsequent kickoff to the 40.

100 seconds. 60 yards to go. 2 time outs. Sonny hits Moses Denson for 6, Jerry Smith for 10 and a square out to Charley Taylor on the left side for 4 yards and the clock stops.

Next play, Sonny hooks up with Taylor on the right side, Taylor gets dragged down by 2 Miami defenders in the RFK infield. Dirt flies everywhere and wehn it settles, Taylor is down at the 22 and the Skins call time out. Next play, Sonny hits Roy Jefferson at the 6 and calls the final time out.

1st and goal, Sonny throws a curl pattern to Denson, who gets dragged down in a blatant case of pass interference. After the game, the Fin defender explained that if he didn't tackle Denson, it would have been a TD -- and he was right, it would have been an easy TD. Everyone on both teams expected the interference penalty, the refs were the only ones to miss it.

Didn't matter, the next play, Sonny threw a pass to Larry Smith in the right flat. Smith, who had hurt his foot on the prior play, got to the goal line as he was hit by 2 Fin defenders. The ref signaled TD.

RFK went wild. Skins 20, Fins 17.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 11, 2010 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Its Chris Johnson for AH!!!

(ok, discuss amongst yourselves, lol)

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 10, 2010 3:57 PM


You couldn't pull a trade like that with a gun and a ski mask...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 10, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

You're right. That caper would call for embezzlement to pull off.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 11, 2010 4:17 AM | Report abuse

Hey 72Redskins!
You were 14 and I was 9.
Were you like me, also living in the DC area where you could watch each televised game and read the Post?

#43 was fearless, wasn't he?
so was #37 and 41 Pat Fisher and Mike Bass, those guys played hard!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 10, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Evening Star my man, Evening Star

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 11, 2010 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Interesting reading:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2010/04/10/2010-04-10_mcnabb_trade_creates_twoteam_race.html


Summary:

The NFC East is two team division--Giants/Cowboys--now that D McNabb is in DC.

The Eagles will take a step back as K Kolb finds his way.

The Redskins will be competitive, but not dominant or playoff bound.

Analysis:

I agree with some, but not of this assessment.

The Cowboys will make a Super Bowl run and finish 11-5 04 12-4.

The Giants will be middlin' again as its offense joins its defense in that units' slip into mediocrity.

The Eagles will start slowly, then see the offense improve as the year unwinds. Thing is, the defense will not satisfy.

The singular weaknesses the skins have had since the days of B Johnson has been quarterback play, and D Mac resolves it.

The redskins have had fine defenses matched with poor offense, and now, with any kind of personnel changes to the offensive line, McNabb creates a whole new dynamic.

I say the skins go 9-7 or 10-6 this year as a team that scores and defends finally plays at FEDEX Field this Fall.

Playoffs are indeed possible, as right now in April, anything is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

"Is Spiller worth a 4th?? maybe not.. Trade down and get Spiller later..and a pick in the 3rd for a tackle?" Posted by: SkinsneedaGM"

Problem is, teams usually trade up to get a QB, not a RB/KR. Now that Clausen is falling -- projections are mid to late first round -- there's nobody left to motivate a big trade to the fourth position. Clausen's fall has made St Louis' position all the more desirable, so their phone should be ringing, not Bruce Allen's.

The Washington player with real trade value is Albert Haynesworth. Now that his salary is not that much of a problem, the team should get some offers. Of course, Albert might sabotage his own trade by getting into it with team management. Nobody wants a chronic malcontent.

You know who'd be a good trade partner for Albert's services? Oakland.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Current projections insist that seven or eight tackles will be gone by early in the second. So anybody there in the third would have to be a developmental type.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I say the skins go 9-7 or 10-6 this year as a team that scores and defends finally plays at FEDEX Field this Fall.

Playoffs are indeed possible, as right now in April, anything is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 7:14 AM
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Way to go out on a limb, Moe. I just don't know if there's enough information there yet to make a reasonable assessment. That o-line has to get fixed and even if they draft Okung, he might not be the panacea that everyone makes him out to be. There were more than a few starting LT's that were taken down with injury last year and, even if they shore up the OT position with a few free agents, the depth will be weak. I would be a little more comfortable if they re-signed Levi Jones as plan "B".

The defense is probably the second biggest question mark. Is this a 4-3 defense with 3-4 "looks" or is this a 3-4 defense with 4-3 "looks"? Trade rumors floating around suggest to me that this team wants to run a 3-4 base defense, and as of today, they don't have all of the pieces in place to compete at a high level with a base 3-4. A major overhaul would be underway if they trade Haynesworth, Carter and/or Landry.

So, I admire your enthusiasm, but I am going to hold judgement. I think Shanahan is a great coach and will eventually put all of the pieces together, but a one year overhaul is something only a few front offices have been able to put together. Doing so would put Shanahan in an elite crowd.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 11, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Current projections insist that seven or eight tackles will be gone by early in the second. So anybody there in the third would have to be a developmental type.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2010 7:41 AM
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Yes, I could see Shanny making a play for a guy like West Virginia's Selvish Capers who is big, athletic, and raw.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 11, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

You know who'd be a good trade partner for Albert's services? Oakland.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2010 7:38 AM
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If they could put Campbell, Haynesworth and Portis in a trade package to Oakland for a second and thrid round pick it would solve a lot of problems for both teams. I know the Raiders wouldn't want Portis, but offloading his contract, as some of the analysts have pointed out, would help compensate for the loss on Haynesworth. Campbell makes sense for the Raiders since JaMarcus Russel seems to be closer to an o-lineman these days than a QB. Not sure this has been mentioned, but there is bad blood between Shanahan and Al Davis. Any trade between the two teams would have to be orchestrated by Allen, who used to work in the Raiders' organization.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 11, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

I say the skins go 9-7 or 10-6 this year as a team that scores and defends finally plays at FEDEX Field this Fall.

Playoffs are indeed possible, as right now in April, anything is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 7:14 AM

Wishy-washy! Anything is possible? Really? This is so J. Reid: "We believe the Redskins could take a quarterback maybe."

You mean before the draft when we don't know who will be on anyone's roster you're not able to pick a Super Bowl winner? Come on, Moe, you see the future better than that, don't you?

Posted by: League-Source | April 11, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Is Spiller worth a 4th?? maybe not.. Trade down and get Spiller later..and a pick in the 3rd for a tackle?
Our current RBs are on the back end of their careers...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 11, 2010 12:05 AM

Now you see why I have been beating the SPiller @ #4 drum.....

The thing with outside looking in....we don't know if the skins have identified another potential LT in later rounds. We will be getting a few 2nd/3rd rounders by draft time.......So you never know.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 11, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

The Skins need to keep Albert and Clinton - I've enjoyed watching their single play during each half throughout the year with the rest of the time on the bench sucking down oxygen.
But what would really help these two is to give them more money - that is what they want - doesn't mean they will play any extra plays but they want more money because they need a better bench to sit on.
Do any of you fan believe the skins will do better than a 6-10 this year (at best)
Cowboys - Colts - SuperBowl. 24-13 That would give us 6 to the Skins forever 3.

Posted by: LarryinMD | April 11, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead:

"The defense is probably the second biggest question mark. Is this a 4-3 defense with 3-4 "looks" or is this a 3-4 defense with 4-3 "looks"?"


The redskins are conforming to the type of defense we see in pittsburgh and other cities, a 3-4/4-3 look where what matters is what you're trying to do to the offense, not strict adherence to a specific scheme.

L-Source:

"You mean before the draft when we don't know who will be on anyone's roster you're not able to pick a Super Bowl winner? Come on......you see the future better than that, don't you?"


Save the April prognostication, and you'll see it come true come January of 2011.

Plus: the only NFC East team in desperate need of a solid need-based draft is the Washington Redskins where two linemen from the draft (one starter) is a must.

Improved line play plus McNabb equals 5-6 additional victories next season for the redskins.

Anyone can see that.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"The Skins need to keep Albert and Clinton"

The skins actuaclly need Haynesworth as there are no alternatives on the roster to replace him, to too few draft picks to spend on young'ns who'd have to grow into pro players.

Plus: trading Hanyesworth means you do it to come out ahead, but because yo'd have to use the picks you acquire to replace him, you don't.

Portis' value as increased has even a weekend offensive coordinator can script an offense where his possible 1,400 yards and McNabb's 3,800-4,000 yards equals great offense.

Leave Portis and Haynesworth alone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Where's Reid getting this stuff from?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 3:17 PM

He talks to a 2000 yr old dog name Harvey. JReid and Harvey have been in constant communication since he took over RI. Who to you think told him he was Da Mayor? Harvey!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 11, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"The Skins need to keep Albert and Clinton"

The skins actuaclly need Haynesworth as there are no alternatives on the roster to replace him, to too few draft picks to spend on young'ns who'd have to grow into pro players.

Plus: trading Hanyesworth means you do it to come out ahead, but because yo'd have to use the picks you acquire to replace him, you don't.

Portis' value as increased has even a weekend offensive coordinator can script an offense where his possible 1,400 yards and McNabb's 3,800-4,000 yards equals great offense.

Leave Portis and Haynesworth alone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 9:18 AM

I agree Moe. This get rid of Haynesworth talk is stupid at best and the fact that only JReid and company are speculating about this should be a clue to just how stupid it is.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 11, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I agree Moe. This get rid of Haynesworth talk is stupid at best and the fact that only JReid and company are speculating about this should be a clue to just how stupid it is.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 11, 2010 9:40 AM

The get rid of Haynesworth talk isn't productive. HOWEVER, making Haynesworth feel uncomfortable and angry is well worth it. NFL players may be grown men, but they are usually 20-somethings that crave mentoring and discipline. AH might chafe at Shanahan's rigid style, but it will either bring out the best in him or lead to his early exit. Either way, the result will be better for the team. We've seen the results of Camp Zorn, and they weren't pretty.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 11, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Short boarding. A drat technique used by the Patriots and emulated by the Broncos and Chiefs. Short boarding should make these teams really good trade partners.

http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14860818

Posted by: TWISI | April 11, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Talk brandon Marshall, talk Eric berry or Russel okung, talk who's gonna start at running, talk if we trade for Jared gaither or sign Flozel Adams, talk new uniforms, talk whatever just keep it football and mostly redskin football I am on here to get away from political BS and to chat with fans as crazy as me about football so until the day the redskins winning and losing is gonna effect the countrys health care plan save if for another blog or cocktail party's that said I would love to see a room full of the people on RI and see what happens

Posted by: Superman321 | April 11, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"NFL players may be grown men, but they are usually 20-somethings that crave mentoring and discipline. AH might chafe at Shanahan's rigid style, but it will either bring out the best in him or lead to his early exit."

Haynesworth knows he has the team over a barrel, and so, with money in his pocket, he can dictate the terms of what he does or does not do.

He'll do whatever's mandatory and avoid the voluntary.

He'll chafe under Shanahan's control with thoughts of his cash dancing in his head.

And if we're lucky, he'll be the centerpiece of a run stopping defense that gets sacks and turnovers.

Let's hope we get two complete dominate seasons out of him while re-stocking the defensive line with some younger, cheaper alternatives.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Favorite moment was when the Raven's had back to back 70+ yard TD runs to Beat the Cowboys and ruin the LAST GAME AT TEXAS Stadium. Seeing Ray Lewis on the Sideline telling other team mates, "We shut the Lights out on this B(&)&tch!" The pans to Jerry and the silence in the stadium that night was an Early Christmas Present!

Posted by: jdb70 | April 11, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

If Okung is gone by 4, I think the Skins threaten to take one of the DTs and trade down...We get Baluga or Williams , and with our newly acquired 3rd, we take Gilyard at wr/kr..And I'll take that Chelada, thank you...

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Favorite moment was when the Raven's had back to back 70+ yard TD runs to Beat the Cowboys and ruin the LAST GAME AT TEXAS Stadium. Seeing Ray Lewis on the Sideline telling other team mates, "We shut the Lights out on this B(&)&tch!" The pans to Jerry and the silence in the stadium that night was an Early Christmas Present!

Posted by: jdb70 | April 11, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Redskins jersey colors should be green(ENVY) Danielle Snyder, what a wannabe, just like your team(I use that term loosly) bunch of i/me guys.
Question: where did skins finish LAST year in NFC East? Answer look down. Haynsworth is a POS dirty player, Glad to see you picked up ANOTHER great QB. Keep grasping. Boys will wave at you while they go by.

Posted by: cowboyfansec8row26 | April 11, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

And maybe because of AH, we end up taking one of those two DTs anyway, MistaMoe...Still leaves the breech at LT wide open (notice that Kilmer and Jurgy were sacked just 11 times that SB season- Kilmer and Jurgy!!! We could have had Stephen Hawking at QB, and he'd have had all of the time in the universe!!)..

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

cowboyfansec8row26- Remember Randy White?? Those dirty DTs come in handy, boy..And looking forward to clocking yer 'Boys sideways twice next year!!

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Do ya'll remember Bum Phillips?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah bum Phillips was great cowboy hat and all

Posted by: Superman321 | April 11, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The question is which LT is the best fit for the Skins? Assuming Russell Okung, Trent Williams, and Bryan Bulaga are the top three OTs in the draft, then which one will fit the zone blocking scheme best?

I don't know much about any of them other than hearing Okung is supposedly the best and Orakpo said he was the best LT he played against... recent mock drafts have them all going between the 4th and 6th selections. So there really can't be that much of difference -- right?

Posted by: siris | April 11, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The question is which LT is the best fit for the Skins? Assuming Russell Okung, Trent Williams, and Bryan Bulaga are the top three OTs in the draft, then which one will fit the zone blocking scheme best?

I don't know much about any of them other than hearing Okung is supposedly the best and Orakpo said he was the best LT he played against... recent mock drafts have them all going between the 4th and 6th selections. So there really can't be that much of difference -- right?

Posted by: siris | April 11, 2010 12:01 PM

After watching ESPN's show on some of last years rookies and seeing the beating Stafford took I'm thinking the Lions will probably will take one of the LT's -Okung? Maybe the skins will get offers then for whichever DT (McCoy or Suh) is available.

Posted by: skinswest | April 11, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't want to get rid of that, and don't forget, our defense isn't that good where you want to get rid of it's best player.

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I've tried to make that same point several times since all this came up. How could he not tire out hand-fighting 2 OL on every play?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 10, 2010 8:23 PM

Agreed. I think Albert is making a mistake by not reporting but I agree with your assessment of his play and his value wholeheartedly.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 11, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

cowboyfansec8row26- Remember Randy White?? Those dirty DTs come in handy, boy..And looking forward to clocking yer 'Boys sideways twice next year!!

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 11:25 AM |

Randy White. probably my favorite former Terp of all-time and the ONE guy i don't care if he played for the cowpies. absolute MONSTER DLineman.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 11, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Rainy day...

Equals couch...

Remote control...

Baseball on one channel...

Golf on the other channel...

NFL Replay between both channels...

Sounds like the perfect lazy man's day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

honorable mention Neal Oklewicz...Gibbs tried to replace the guy every single year but 'ol Neal just would not leave the lineup.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 11, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

C'mon...what about Dave Butz?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

C'mon...what about Dave Butz?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Butz was a Terp? that bit of info must have been in one of the brain cells i just fried...

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 11, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't know much about any of them other than hearing Okung is supposedly the best and Orakpo said he was the best LT he played against... recent mock drafts have them all going between the 4th and 6th selections. So there really can't be that much of difference -- right?

Posted by: siris | April 11, 2010 12:01 PM

Okung is a perfect fit for the scheme I expect we will run next year.

Trent Williams is more of a mauler, and would have been a better fit with our power running program from years past, but probably less of a match with what Shanny runs now. he is not as atheletic and doesn't get to the next level as well as Okung and Bulaga

Bulaga is the next best choice. Coming out of Iowa, they run a O that is heavy on zone blocking and features linemen that are big, fast and athletic.


BTW, Iowa also has a RT coming out this year named Kyle Calloway who would be a great grab in the fourth round - where he is projected to go...

Posted by: edvar | April 11, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW, if Okung is gone at 4, taking Bulaga is not a stretch, as some have claimed. Most mock drafts have us taking Okung at 4 and Bulaga gone at 5, 6, or 8 depending on who you read. So why he's stretch at 4, but not at 5 or 6, I don't know...

Posted by: edvar | April 11, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Nice video of texas stadium getting blown up. Though there is less wreckage today than when Santana Moss blew that place up a few years back

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 11, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Most mock drafts have us taking Okung at 4 and Bulaga gone at 5, 6, or 8 depending on who you read. So why he's stretch at 4, but not at 5 or 6, I don't know...

Posted by: edvar | April 11, 2010 1:43 PM

thought he was projected a little farther down than that. if it turns out he's that good, cool cool.

11 days and counting...

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 11, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse


First "surprise" of draft? Williams leaps Okung

With only ten days to go until draft day is here, the top of the first round is beginning to take shape.

Barring colossal trade offers, the Rams will take Sam Bradford, the Lions will take Ndamukong Suh and the Bucs will take Gerald McCoy.

Since trading for quarterback Donovan McNabb, it has been obvious the Redskins would be looking to fill their biggest need -- offensive tackle -- with the 4th pick of the draft. With Oklahoma State's Russell Okung the top-rated tackle by many, including NFLDraftScout.com, he seemed the natural candidate to replace former Pro Bowler Chris Samuels as the Redskins' starting left tackle.

Except that Okung isn't the top-rated tackle by the Redskins. Oklahoma's Trent Williams is.

I reported nearly three weeks ago that Okung is far from the consensus top-rated tackle. While most teams had Okung rated as the best, a sizable number had Williams as the better prospect. One team had Iowa's Bryan Bulaga as the best of the 2010 class.

Okung is the safe pick. Williams, due to his greater athleticism, has the higher upside.

Most importantly (at least in terms of the Washington Redskins), he's the better fit in Mike Shanahan's zone-blocking offense.

There are sure to be plenty of surprises on draft day. Some will characterize the first one as the Redskins' decision to draft Trent Williams over Russell Okung.

Considering that I've felt for weeks that Williams would likely be the first tackle taken , I won't be among those surprised... and neither should you.

http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/20866717?tag=comBlogEntryListCnt;entry20866717

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Brunell had nice occassional chemestry with Moss on the deep routes. The overtime pass against the Jags was also sweet. But once Brunell injured his throwing are Moss hasn't had the same kind of QB since. JC is inconsistant on the deep throws - when the OL would give him time to throw it, that is. With McNabb's strength being the deep ball, maybe Santana's production is revived.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 11, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice video of texas stadium getting blown up. Though there is less wreckage today than when Santana Moss blew that place up a few years back

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 11, 2010 1:47 PM

It was a good video, but the woman who was narrating it is a major league Bimbo. She's had a while to prepare for the assignment and her best moment was "We're a great team. You know what is happening and as a Cowboy fan this makes me sad."

Need to dispatch an aircraft carrier to help at the scene of this disaster!

Posted by: League-Source | April 11, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Even if there's little separation between the top three OTs, the Skins dare not trade back too far. Even if they traded back with the Raiders as part of a AH or JC deal they could end up seeing the three top OTs gone by Pick 8.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 11, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Nice video of texas stadium getting blown up. Though there is less wreckage today than when Santana Moss blew that place up a few years back

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 11, 2010 1:47 PM |

And they were kind enough to blow it up in the morning this time, so some of you guys would be awake to see it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 11, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

alright, last Sunday it was DMc5. what'll it be today?

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 11, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

How unfortunate was that for Mickelson?

Posted by: Skins930 | April 11, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Favorite moment was when the Raven's had back to back 70+ yard TD runs to Beat the Cowboys and ruin the LAST GAME AT TEXAS Stadium. Seeing Ray Lewis on the Sideline telling other team mates, "We shut the Lights out on this B(&)&tch!" The pans to Jerry and the silence in the stadium that night was an Early Christmas Present!

Posted by: jdb70 | April 11, 2010 10:55 AM
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you're one sick puppy, jdb70. Gloating about the misfortune of others..

But, I liked it, too. Enjoyed Christmas, a little more.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 11, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

GOOD RIDDANCE GOD'S TOILET!!

Posted by: josephtruj | April 11, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

starting to think RB is as equal a weak link in the Offense as LT. jus saying/thinking.
Unless Shanahan is doing a remake of Coccoon 3 and putting CP, LJ and WP in the pods to come back as 22 year olds, I think we got problems.
Its been fairly evident that all 3 of these Skins RBs are not really coveted by any other NFL team.
In conclusion,
Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller
Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller
Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller
Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller
Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 11, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 11, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Umm..are you taking over for 4th Floor as the local "I make no sense" guy? Why would Shanahan, who can take virtually any RB and make them successful in his system, who has never spend a really high pick on a RB, who at this point barely has any picks to work with, who has to address the O line more then likely in the draft, spend the 4th overall pick on a RB? You sound alot like the boogey man, AKA Vinnie Cerrato.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 11, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

skins 930... it looked right on line... then it hit that pine flower or whatever its called. At first i thought a bird had dropped its lunch, lol.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 11, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"I reported nearly three weeks ago that Okung is far from the consensus top-rated tackle. While most teams had Okung rated as the best, a sizable number had Williams as the better prospect. One team had Iowa's Bryan Bulaga as the best of the 2010 class."

Well, Okung is still the consensus pick, but you're right that somebody else may have a better rookie season, and still another turn out to be the best in the class after a couple years in the League.

It sometimes happens that way.

Okung and Williams both have to adjust to the complex NFL blocking schemes after careers spent in gimmicky Big 12 spread offenses that are much simplified by comparison. Check out Jason Smith's experience last year. Brian Bulaga of Iowa and Charles Brown of USC have an advantage in that respect. But the guy who may have the biggest upside is Anthony Davis of Rutgers. And Vlad Ducasse, of course, who everybody is secretly hoping will be there in the second.

But playing tackle is all about staying reasonably healthy, and the will probably be the determining factor in long-term success.

Is there a Jon Ogden, a Jake Long, a Tony Munoz, a Chris Samuel? If there is, we haven't seen the evidence yet.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

today's mock draft analysis

#1 - Bradford 62%, Clausen 20%, Suh 18%
#2 - Suh 52%, Okung 27%, G.McCoy 19%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 54%, Suh 27%, Berry 13%, Okung 3%, Clausen 1%, Morgan 1%
#4 - Okung 40%, Clausen 25%, Bradford 19%, Bulaga 3%, Williams 3%, G.McCoy 3%, Berry 2%
#5 - Berry 30%, Bulaga 24%, Okung 21%, Davis 5%, Campbell 4%, McClain 4%, Williams 4%

=========================================
looking at 50 most recent mock drafts
1. Bradford 96%
2. Suh 63%
3. McCoy 67%
4. Okung 72%
5. Bulaga 50%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 11, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Have seen reports there are concerns about Okung and Williams adjusting to zone blocking schemes.

Very different than what they had to do in college.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 11, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"today's mock draft analysis
#1 - Bradford 62%, Clausen 20%, Suh 18%"

Funny watching Jon Gruden just flame-broil Sam Bradford about his unwillingness to go down in a game. "You are the absolute worst slider I've ever seen," Gruden insists. "You have to stay in the game, man." Then he runs that clip of Bradford doing a complete somersault in an attempt to score. "You get into the end zone?" Gruden asks, all mock innocence. "No," Sam replies, sounding like he wants to crawl under his chair.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I still think LaMarcus Coker would be an excellent fit in Shannys O.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 11, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Umm..are you taking over for 4th Floor as the local "I make no sense" guy? Why would Shanahan, who can take virtually any RB and make them successful in his system, who has never spend a really high pick on a RB, who at this point barely has any picks to work with, who has to address the O line more then likely in the draft, spend the 4th overall pick on a RB? You sound alot like the boogey man, AKA Vinnie Cerrato.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 11, 2010 3:33 P

Then why haven't you questioned Shanny for signing two washed up RBs???

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 11, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Have seen reports there are concerns about Okung and Williams adjusting to zone blocking schemes."

I think the only worry should be if Okung looks great because of inferior defensive end--outside linebacker play while in college.

I think the kid'll be fine.

But our best option might be packaging J Campbell and the #4 pick to move down into the middle of the 1st round to get T Williams--especially of the lions do like they should and take Okung.

The Niners have two 1st rounders.

Maybe they'd like to add a back up quarterback and, say, E Berry while giving us the #17th pick and a fifth rounder for Campbell.

This scenario would be rather nice for all parties involved.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

the #17th pick and a fifth rounder for Campbell.

This scenario would be rather nice for all parties involved.

Posted by: MistaMoe

don't think Jason will command that much unless a top QB goes down and the back-up isn't all that.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

So you move AH and suddenly need two defensive tackles.

Name them, please.

You can't?

Thought so.

Plus moving him mean you have to draft a tackle with one of the picks you get when you really should use the pick to acquire offensive lineman, thus breaking even when you need to come out ahead.


We have no one past Golston, Montgomery, Kemo, Daniels that can step in and be true player like AH.

So why fan the flames and drive him away?

Posted by: MistaMoe |

First I can NAME the tackle who replaced Golston, but I can't spell his name without looking it up. Maake is his first name.

Second, you get a #1 for Haynesworth, or a starting OLT, or a starting lineman, and depending, replace him with a DT or OLT.

Shanahan has said this team will transition to a 3-4. They don't have the personnel for a good 3-4 now, so they have to start replacing, anyway.

The thing with Haynesworth is he is challenging a new coach, who doesn't like to be challenged.

If Shanahan's gonna run the show, he can't allow that.

I'm not a big fan of Shanahan, but I believe the coach has to run the show,. Democracy doesn't work in football.

Posted by: TheCork | April 11, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Democracy doesn't work in football.

Posted by: TheCork | April 11, 2010 4:06 PM

we tried that with Zorn....

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 11, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"First I can NAME the tackle who replaced Golston, but I can't spell his name without looking it up. Maake is his first name.--ME EARLIER

And by Golston, of course I mean Griffth or Griffin. Haven't had enuff coffee yet.

Posted by: TheCork | April 11, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Then why haven't you questioned Shanny for signing two washed up RBs???

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 11, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

1.Because we don't even know if they're going to make the team.
2. Because they might of been brought in just to make Portis work harder.
3.Because Shanny believes that even washed up RB's can have success in his offense, therefore he doesn't need to go get one in the 1st round.
4. Because he rather have 3 veteran backs to choose from instead of having to waste a high pick on one.

All four of the options above can be true.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 11, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"First I can NAME the tackle who replaced Golston, but I can't spell his name without looking it up. Maake is his first name."

The recovering from injury player Maake Kemoteau replaces Cornelius Griffin.

So you trade AH and then depend on an aging P Daniels, unmotivated A Montgomery, and very average K Golston to play alongside your unproven high drafted defensive tackle.

Explain to me like I'm a 4 year old why that makes sense.

'Cuz it doesn't.

Trading Haynesworth works if you have depth behind him, and you can use whatever picks you get to replenish other parts of the team.

You trade AH if the move puts you ahead, but because he'd have to be replaced, you don't because it doesn't.

And to move a proven defensive line monstah to then depend on a rookie, an unproven depth guy, an older player, an unhealthy guy, and an average guy?

That doesn't make sense.

And a 4 year old would tell you that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | April 11, 2010 3:33 P

Then why haven't you questioned Shanny for signing two washed up RBs???

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 11, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Because he signed them for a bag o donuts for one year vice #4 overall money. Its all upside for the Redskins... and the players... if they go off, they get extra cream filled at the end of the year.

Taking Spiller... or any RB this year... is all downside for the Redskins.

I thought you were smart enough to figure this out, especially after its been explained to you more times than dollars LJ and FWP are getting combined.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 11, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"...don't think Jason will command that much unless a top QB goes down and the back-up isn't all that."

I still believe Campbell will be moved on draft day.

You say a former league starter who's not even 30 isn't worth a fifth rounder?

Wow!!: Campbell, then, is a certified 1st round bust.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Because he signed them for a bag o donuts for one year vice #4 overall money. Its all upside for the Redskins... and the players... if they go off, they get extra cream filled at the end of the year.

Taking Spiller... or any RB this year... is all downside for the Redskins.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 11, 2010 4:18 PM

agreed. milk 'em for what they're worth. we have more pressing needs, RB can wait.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 11, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"...agreed. milk 'em for what they're worth. we have more pressing needs, RB can wait."


The 2011 Draft will feature M Ingrahm, the Heisman winner from 'Bama.

That's the guy who'll replace CP.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Tiger... prowling.......

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 11, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

It's going to take -13 to win it. Westwood and Couples will crash and burn. Phil or KJ will win it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 11, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

You say a former league starter who's not even 30 isn't worth a fifth rounder?

Wow!!: Campbell, then, is a certified 1st round bust.

Posted by: MistaMoe

sorry misread your earlier post. If you meant we draft berry and then trade him and JC I get it. Yes, I believe JC is worth a 5th rounder.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

wow what a shot there by Tiger

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 11, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Phil is really struggling now off of the tee... losing confidence.
Come on Phil, get it straightened out!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

yes, that shot by Tiger was amazing.
I never root for him, but that was greatness!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

And he chokes the par putt.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 11, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

D44 certified rumor du jour

Redskins trade #4 pick and AH to San Francisco for their #14 & #18 picks

with #14 Redskins take A.Davis T and with #18 take M.Pouncey C/G

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 11, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

golf is clearly a competition... but is it a sport?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 11, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

golf is clearly a competition... but is it a sport?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

It's a sport as much as billiards is.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

That trade to SF?
Can anyone out there see Mike Singletary wanting AH bad enough?
I don't think so.
I think he will want two of his own guys for years to come.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaMarcus_Coker

undrafted rb that will make GM's wish they had drafted him.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

It's a sport MUCH MORE than Billiards ever thought about being.

You guys ever been to the Masters?
Just walking the course gave me so much more of an appreciation for playing it.

Walking that course four consecutive days?
Legs would definitely be fatigued on Sunday
Very hilly ever where...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

As I woman, I love fashion. But for the life of me I cannot understand the seeming obsession coming from guys over the Skins uniforms.

I don't care what they wear (they could be naked) as long as they win. I do think they should burn the burgundy on burgundy since the Skins play horrible in that uni.

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

if walking the masters course makes your legs tired, then you need more exercise! Also, if it's a sport, what other "sport" has mid 50's players with as much chance to win as 20 something year-olds in peak condition?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

1- i said walking it four days in a row
2- and if you haven't walked it you have no idea what you are talking about
3- then there is hitting so many shots [from the fairway] off of hilly uneven lies
4- Golf and Billiards?
Billiards could be played well by someone 80 years old!!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what they wear (they could be naked) as long as they win.

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 5:39 PM

naughty... one could imagine an overseas game in Athens, following the style of ancient olympians. and that was real sport.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 11, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Mickelson just tried that shot!
It was visions of the US Open blowing up all over again for Phil.

Anyone notice Nick Faldo when Phil said he was going for it?
"Oh my"

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

yes, billiards is too much of a stretch, I agree. i have been their a number of times. I don't really care, sport or game, it's incredibly more difficult than anyone on TV makes it look!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Phil missed the short Eagle putt!!
And now he has farther coming back to Birdie!

Got it; still in the lead

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Democracy doesn't work in football.

Posted by: TheCork | April 11, 2010 4:06 PM

we tried that with Zorn....

But, watch, as long as there's a large unemployed supply of workers. I mean, players, there will always be a reason for the season (ticket-holders, that is)..Wilbon, you catamite, stop dropping my name into your on-air-world, I never asked to be the Anti-Warhor , it just happened..

Spike Lee's "The Miracle of St. Anna" provides shard of hope for discarded humanity...

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Right cause Sanchez, Stafford, Ryan, Freeman, and Flacco over the last two years have all sat for their entire careers and all sucked.

But I know I know, JC has better stats then they do......

I'd take any of them right now over JC in a heartbeat and if you remove your burgundy and gold love of JC you would too.

Posted by: zjfr2 |

You are so wrong about that...I absolutely would not take any of them.


Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey were you born in 1965?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

yes, birth year

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse


I can see both sides of this draft QB/Olineman argument, except that people are not considering that first round O-lineman can be busts just as much as QB's.

We're going to need a QB at some point. Yes, there have been some mid round gems and busts, just like first round gems and busts.


Personally, I'd take a QB. He doesn't have to play right away.

Posted by: rickyroge

If I'm not mistaken a QB drafted at #4 will want a whole lot more $$$$ than an O lineman drafted at that spot. And the O lineman can start immediately - after all, a rookie O lineman could not play any worse than some of the guys we had last season.

In the meantime we would be stuck paying a massive amount of $$$ to a QB who will not play immediately and will probably suck when he does.


Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Risa,
slow down; you would not take ANY of them?
Ryan is the real deal no doubt.

Stafford, Freeman, Sanchez?
only played one year, and Sanchez certainly was on a much better team last year.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 5:50 PM

huh? grazes contentedly, then wanders along a strangely attractive chute that leads to the big meat pie over yonder. meanwhile thinks, more grass would be just the thing.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 11, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I can only hope Campbell will decline the "tender"

Sincerely,

The Entire Redskins Fanbase

Posted by: sjp879

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!! Drives me nuts when someone on here tries to speak for all the fans.

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

after a couple of McNabb wins yall will forget how to spell jason Campbell. Book it!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

1965?
Hey, I was 1963

What is your first Redskin memory as a kid?
Me?
My mom watched Sports news nightly, had a neighbor boy a few years older, so they got me started awfully young.
I was 6 and actually remember Vince Lombardi being the coach and Sonny the QB, and those helmets with the arrow.

I actually recall crying when Vince Lombardi died.
Yep, way too emotional as a kid regarding the Skins.
My wife would say, "as a kid"??
She'd say "still too emotional now?"

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

You got that right, 1965...Sho' got that right...McNabb ain't just a leader, he's a quarterback, and he'll raise the level of the entire team- BOOK IT, DANNO!!!

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Mickelson now up three with three to play.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

golf is clearly a competition... but is it a sport?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo
___________

Jeez of course it is, just as much as Tiddlywinks.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 11, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

It's by far the ugliest Masters crowd ever. Damn you golf in HD.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 11, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

One of my earliest is when Herb Mul-key returned akick for a TD against the St. Louis cardinal after having given one up themselves. i think he still holds a Skins record for retunr yards in a game? Larry brown was a childhood favorite as well as Charley Taylor(due to my, dad probably). Liked Pat Fischer, but he always seemed to get abused by Harold Carmichael. At least in my memory.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Looks like J Reid is watching the Masters very closely.

Why do I say this?
No Skins news today from J Reid

:)

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Golf is not a sport. It's an excellent, challenging, mentally and physically demanding game.

Is baseball a sport?

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 11, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't be surprized to hear that the Washington redskins trade up with the rams and draft Sam Bradford number 1 overall because Bradford and shanahan's system are perfect for each other or hopefully rams trade down with someone else and Bradford is ours at 4 and then can sit for a year be coached by shanahan and have a free agent and later round draft built o-line in 2011 and I don't believe our o-line is really that bad they got hurt so much don't get me wrong the o-line def needs attention just not as much as people think like the people that say make every pick a linemen in the 2010 draft I used to be against drafting a qb 4th overall but after hearing Bradford speak at the combine and seeing what he measured at 6'4 236 lbs he's beefed up dudes gonna be a baller

Posted by: Superman321

Surely you jest...or maybe your "Super Powers" are failing you.

To draft Bradford at #4 would be idiotic...to trade up to draft him at #1 would be INSANE.

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

wow, terrible spelling on my last post.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Jeez of course it is, just as much as Tiddlywinks.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 11, 2010 6:24 PM

or cowpie flinging?

won't repost the link nor deny the skill, but just don't find golf interesting.

night for now, calves are mooing and we have water rockets to shoot in the yard.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 11, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"I can see both sides of this draft QB/Olineman argument, except that people are not considering that first round O-lineman can be busts just as much as QB's."


Whereas I'm not getting the McNabb trade, there's one thing we all can agree on:

The redskins don't need to think quarterback 1st this go 'round.

I'd like a tackle in round 1 and flexible c/g type in 4.

(I think another vet tackle will join the team or L Jones will re-up and be better the second time around.)

We could always use another linebacker, and I'd bring in a corner or wide receiver to round things out.

But as for drafting a quarterback?: we can pass on that option.

(no pun intended)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

maybe the Rams like JC better than any of the rook QB's?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Pat struggled with Harold, but so did every other corner against the All-Pro Freak...My bad , Wilbon, I enjoy your on-air rappaport usually, I ain't so thin =skinned I can't take a few insults..I like Tiger, too , unlike my brother Carlin (I'LL SEE YOU IN HELL), and hope he comes back to his rightful place at the top...democracy? what apartheid..

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Why in the world would we trade JC? I know the rationale is for more draft picks BUT.....we would have NO QB!

Shanahan has made the statement that he likes "competition" and indicated he will have several players vying for the starting QB slot (although Jason seems the most likely to stay in that position).

Bruce Allen has also made the statement "The Future Is NOW" and we are NOT "rebuilding" so trading away our starting QB with no backup (a rookie QB would not be in synch with the NOW statement) would be insane - ala Snyderatto

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey 1965,
Wow, that was some moment vs. St Louis!
I have no idea what year that was, but I actually remember those two KO Returns back to back as well. Don't know that it has been done since in an NFL game.

Harold Carmichael; yes what was he like 6'7" and Fisher was like 5'9"?

Larry Brown was one tough dude
Such knee injuries and he was done too early!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"Is baseball a sport?"


Joe Mauer thinks so.

He gave up playing football (he was a top nothc h.s. quarterback) to play baseball.

I don't blame him.

A great athlete playing baseball will end his career with the ability to think and walk.

Footballers play for shorter periods of time, and are having tons 'o issues as they age.

I love football, but if I could do it all over again, I'd learn to hit a breaking ball or pitch left-handed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"But our best option might be packaging J Campbell and the #4 pick to move down into the middle of the 1st round to get T Williams--especially of the lions do like they should and take Okung.

The Niners have two 1st rounders.

Maybe they'd like to add a back up quarterback and, say, E Berry while giving us the #17th pick and a fifth rounder for Campbell."
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I don't know if I'm mis-reading this or something...but how in the world is a 5th round pick worth dropping thirteen spots in the first round, and trading away Jason Campbell?

Posted by: brianearman | April 11, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Mickelson wins his 3rd Green Jacket!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

No way should they have released Randy. With our lack of depth on the O line, that's a stupid move.

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Risa,
Are you merely attempting to see how many will respond to you and what they will say?

What in the world has Randy Thomas done since 2005?
He has been beat up and injured and making a very large salary.
Of course they should have released him.
Now, if he wants to resign and finish here he can, for a much lower price.

But if he goes elsewhere he will make much less than he was here....
He may retire as well.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Risa,
Are you merely attempting to see how many will respond to you and what they will say?

What in the world has Randy Thomas done since 2005?
He has been beat up and injured and making a very large salary.
Of course they should have released him.
Now, if he wants to resign and finish here he can, for a much lower price.

But if he goes elsewhere he will make much less than he was here....
He may retire as well.

Posted by: RedskinRay1

Shanallen has blown the team up - much like the Wizards! Very disheartening.

We have NO O line....and far too many holes to fill. How Bruce thinks he can fix this is beyond me.

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

This team was already a mess offensively.
OL was maybe the league's worst last season.
They will draft an OL
They have signed an OL
And when the FA prices go down a bit more, look for them to sign one or two more.
Then they will probably sign two or three undrafted OL.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"Taylor, an outside linebacker for the Miami Dolphins, has clashed with Jets fans in the past, famously saying they took the "cl" out of class. "

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 11, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

It's by far the ugliest Masters crowd ever. Damn you golf in HD.

Posted by: SMACK1

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!! Drives me nuts when someone on here tries to speak for all the fans.

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

If that is the case then they both are liars as Shanallen has stated The Future Is Now (even sent out a mailing) and said they are not rebuilding

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

No, that is not a lie at all.
The OL was so horrible, they need to do both and will.
a. Sign veteran FA to help plug the mess now
b. Draft an OL or two
c. Sign a few undrafted OL as well.

Not a lie at all
Plug and rebuild simultaneously

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

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A Kenyan lawmaker told the nation's Parliament last month that Barack Obama was born in Africa and is therefore "not even a native American."

During debate over the draft of a new Kenyan constitution, James Orengo, the country's minister of lands and a member of parliament for the Ugenya constituency, cited America's election of a Kenyan-born president as an example of what can be accomplished when diverse peoples unite:

"If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation," Orengo posited, "how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?"

Orengo held up the U.S. as a country no longer "living in the past," since Americans elected a Kenyan-born president without regard to "ethnic consideration and objectives."
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=139481

I hate articles with hidden agendas. I wish people would let this go. Nobody cares where he was born. As long as he cares about whats best for the country. Our constitution was written by racists and needs serious reform.

Posted by: Risa_L | April 11, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

If they could put Campbell, Haynesworth and Portis in a trade package to Oakland for a second and thrid round pick it would solve a lot of problems for both teams.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 11, 2010

Can you think before you blog please? Just think, not once, in your case, may be three times! You want to package NFL best defensive tackle, plus a pro bowl running back, and I understand, not so great Jason Campbell for a 2nd and a 3rd? To pick which player in the draft? Are you besides yourself or your hatred for Jason Campbell is influencing your judgment? Oh! If Campbell is not the root cause of your naivete, what is it? Well, you just want to get rid of Clinton Portis for his what? Or, trade Haynesworth for not reporting for "voluntary" workout? Do you really understand the language=English=that you speak and write? Or your thoughts are just plain irritating and irrational.

Posted by: abxinc | April 11, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Risa,
Yes, no doubt that article has a hidden agenda.
Yet your post is also so reductionistic, so intellectually unfair.
a. I don't know where Pres. O'Bama was born. And I hope there will never be a story here; but if there was, then I would want us to do the right thing.

b. Of course there are many who care. And yes, many care for the wrong reason; they are only looking for a reason to get rid of O'Bama.

c. "Our Constitution was written by racists and needs serious reform".
Wow, no good people in those days, huh?
ALL of them wer racists?

How irresponsible and simplistic can you be?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know if I'm mis-reading this or something...but how in the world is a 5th round pick worth dropping thirteen spots in the first round, and trading away Jason Campbell?"


You are mis-reading my post.

Let's say the lions take R Okung.

Wudda we do then?

I'd bundle the #4 pick and J Campbell, trade with the Niners, collect their number #17 pick in the 1st round (receive other compensation along the way for trading down), and take a 5th for our former starting quarterback.

(That is, if they'll have him.)

I'd take T Williams--left tackle with the #17 pick in round 1, and use the fifth I got for Campbell to find a depth guy.

The question then is if you execute such a move, what do you receive for trading down from #4 to #17?

The other question is would the Niners want Campbell as a back up.

Now, that's the one I can't answer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I love you Cindy Boren

Posted by: Dorf | April 11, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

New coach, new QB, new defense, new attitude. Time to break out the new uniforms. McNabb would look real good throwing TD's in the spear uniform. Haynesworth would look slimmer. Portis and Cooley would look faster.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 11, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Everybody,
I was thinking, which NFL team would be interested in getting JC?

And you know what? Just giving it a little bit of research, I realize there are several teams who would think JC an improvement to their 2nd QB currently on their roster.

New England Hoyer and Rowe
Pittsburgh Charlie Batch
Texans Booty
Bengals J T O'Sullivan
Colts Curtis Painter
Jaguars Luke McCown
Raiders All 3 QB stink
Chargers Billy Volek
NY Giants Sorgi and Bomar
Bears Basanez, Hanie
Packers Flynn, Pizzotti
Panthers 2 QB have little experience
Saints Chase Daniel
49ers David Carr better?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey Coparker5,
I agree with you.
We last introduced new uniforms when Joe Gibbs came in 81

A few seasons ago they used the arrow helmet for a throwback game.
Interestingly have you noticed we last did a throwback uniform in 07? The old 70-71 "R" helmet. No throwbacks the last two years; I don't know why...

Agree; with you: this is a good time to introuduce a new uniform after 30 years.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

after a couple of McNabb wins yall will forget how to spell jason Campbell. Book it!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 11, 2010 6:06 PM

After a couple of NFC games behind our shaky O-line, yall will remember what happened to Joe Theismann in his last game againt the Gints... and better hope we have a durable backup QB.

Book it!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 11, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Upon obtaining a decent NFL quarterback, the last thing would be to jump the ditch and obtain the TOP (or near the top) offensive line....The Cerberus Three running backs are a transitional tide-ya until we can get a top running back for our sins (but note, Super Bowl teams tend to be strong, skull to toe, fingertip to fingertip) G.Allen's teams ( afor he died gloriously on a basketball court, smokin' cigs and on mayadada-yang- die-ing playing ball is like the Eternal Gate for jocks) were always strong , top to bottom , special teams to marching band, owner to psychotic street vendor, ya...

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"(but note, Super Bowl teams tend to be strong, skull to toe, fingertip to fingertip)"

Actually, they're not. It's the exception to find a team that's equally strong in all areas. Both of this year's contestants were average on defense. The year before you had two teams, the Steelers and the Cards, who struggled with running the ball. The last time we saw two genuinely well-balanced opponents was Pats-Giants.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth wasn't in great shape last year because he DID work with the Redskins trainer. He is going BACK to the trainer who got him in great shape for his big years with the Titans. I'll judge him when I see his conditioning next season. Until then, I say again, voluntary is voluntary. Trying to get around a contract by making something de facto mandatory is wrong and lacks integrity. There should be no "voluntary" team sponsored "mini-camps". The trainer should be available, and anyone wanting to work out at Redskins Park should be strongly encouraged to do so. If players want to work out together, if McNabb and some or all of the receivers want to come in every day and work on the passing game like Manning used to do with his receivers, great, I'm all for it.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 11, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

few seasons ago they used the arrow helmet for a throwback game.
Interestingly have you noticed we last did a throwback uniform in 07? The old 70-71 "R" helmet. No throwbacks the last two years; I don't know why...

Agree; with you: this is a good time to introuduce a new uniform after 30 years.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 9:32 PM

They didn't use throwbacks the last 2 years because they didn't want to confuse Zorn more than he already was.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 11, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

scampbell,
Have to admit, that was funny.
Hail to the Maroon and Black!!
And keep it middle!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 11, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Samson151-
Probably what I had in mind was, the George Allen days of dope defense, offense and SURPRISE!!!!! SPECIAL TEAMS!!! TED VACTOR!!! BOB BRUENIG!!! RUSTY TILLMAN!!! That special teams laziness the team has shown lately is symptomatic of a fundamental lack of hyperdrive in the starship..George Allen's "THE FUTURE IS NOW" is similar to the Buddha- REALITY IS HERE, ITS NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE, REALITY IS BEATIN' THE DAMN DOOR DOWN!!! -alien jurgensen, i mean jourgensen (ministry)

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Good night, America.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 11, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd take T Williams--left tackle with the #17 pick in round 1, and use the fifth I got for Campbell to find a depth guy.

Mista Moe

Seriously, Trent Williams will be gone by #10. Probably no later than 8.

Posted by: will_ga | April 12, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Hey Everybody,
I was thinking, which NFL team would be interested in getting JC?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 |

Steelers just dumped Santonio Holmes for a bag of practice balls. If their morality purge continues, mebbe they'll be looking to replace Big Ben.

depends on what the judge, decides, of course.

Posted by: TheCork | April 12, 2010 1:58 AM | Report abuse

anyone else notice what Donovan is getting paid in year 1 with the Skins? The only report I saw was $6+mil in roster bonus $11+mil for the season -- about $17.5mil. For one season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 12, 2010 2:54 AM | Report abuse

Texas Stadium: good riddance to bad rubbish.

Posted by: elpando | April 12, 2010 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Pittsburgh just got rid of Santonio Holmes for a 5th round pick. If the Skins are truly in the running to get Brandon Marshall, this could be great news...if a Super Bowl MVP goes for a 5th rounder, then Marshall should go for about a 3rd rounder...

You know, if we had one...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 5:19 AM | Report abuse

Went turkey hunting this weekend, let’s see what I missed?
Texas stadium blown up…Hmmm that’s nice.
What’s with all the Marshall buzz?
Where’s Jason?
Got to get me one of them light bright thingies.
Holly cow! 311 posts on the last thread. Sloooow day.
Oops almost forgot AH…Where's Waldo?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 12, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Went turkey hunting this weekend, let’s see what I missed?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 12, 2010 6:17 AM

I'm guessing that you missed several turkeys, because most of them were posting up here. This is the spot for turkey hunting. Gobble, gobble.

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

Come to think of it I only saw the feathered ones.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 12, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 12, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Excellent RFK has outlived Texas Stadium. Could someone please make a video with highlights of only Redskins victories, and the Skins fight song playing in the background, and a grand finalee of Texas Stadium imploding on the final note of the song. That's what I'm tlaking about!

Posted by: PANELMAN | April 12, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

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