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Hey guys, still trying ot stay hot on the draft trail. I am doing a chat on Washingtonpost.com at 11, so look forward to answering all of your questions (or fibbing my way through the really obscure draft kids I may get asked about).

I'll try to post more stuff this afternoon if I get it. Anything to aid Nate's quest for 50,000. That dude is my hero.

Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 26, 2007; 6:34 AM ET
 
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Is it possible???

1st?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 7:02 AM | Report abuse

It has to be 11, doesn't it. Dang. I have meetings (no, not with the Bobs).

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 7:04 AM | Report abuse

2nd, right, since Larry posted twice?

#1 POD (Post of the day)

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 7:12 AM | Report abuse

So I have a question for you, Jason LaCanfora, since I won't be able to make it to the LiveChat; I found this quote from your piece on the presser somewhat disturbing:

"Snyder has attended the on-campus workouts for several top players, and said Tuesday that he flew to Louisville in recent weeks to watch Okoye (Snyder was also on the sidelines for wide receiver Calvin Johnson's workout at Georgia Tech)."

So here's the question; how many other NFL teams' owners go on scouting trips?

And why should any skins fan trust his ability to judge talent?


Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 7:30 AM | Report abuse

larry bud,
jerry jones comes to mind, and maybe weird al davis.

snyder has zero cred as an evaluator of talent

Posted by: cosmofla | April 26, 2007 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Cosmo (kramer?),

Are there any sane owners that come to mind that scout players?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 7:36 AM | Report abuse

no, old family name, but that was one of the all time great sitcom characters.

can't think of a single owner...does robert kraft scout??

Posted by: cosmofla | April 26, 2007 7:40 AM | Report abuse

speaking of great sitcom characters...

coach, from cheers
colonel flagg, mash
fish, barney miller

Posted by: cosmofla | April 26, 2007 7:44 AM | Report abuse

So it looks like the night shift is clocked out. Poor Nate, moving and questing for 50K. I'm gonna do mest for ya, buddy!!!

After reading the presser article more carefully, I was even more dismayed to hear Snyder commenting on how important character is. Not that I have a problem with character, but I get the sneaking feeling that every time Danny Boy utters the word the forces of Karma set themselves even further against us.

"We're way ahead of that curve." Yeah, right...

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 7:45 AM | Report abuse

newman, seinfeld

Posted by: cosmofla | April 26, 2007 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Some of the night shift is still around!

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 7:53 AM | Report abuse

And why should any skins fan trust his ability to judge talent?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 07:30 AM

Snyder? Judge football talent? Surely you jest. Snyder has no such ability. His football talent begins and ends with signing checks for large amounts of money. But his presence at any workout may give some credibility to the Redskins' alleged interest in a player, regardless of whether they are truly interested or not. Is he savvy enough to use such a tactic as a deliberate ploy to mislead the competition? Maybe. The jury is still out.

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I think we are in a great position to trade down in this draft. Not to mention the Quinn or Peterson teams that will come calling. But with these two, ultimately the other teams behind us know we do not want these players. However, with these two, there are teams farther down the board who would have to pony up more picks to get to them. We just need teams in between us and them that also might want them.

But Okoye and Landry will get us some calls also. Mainly b/c teams know we will take one of these two players. So ATL moving up could work. But really, this is how I see it playing out.

At #6, Washington Redskins take Amobi Okoye... (cheers form all of the RI fans of Okoye, many posts about how good of a choice it is)

Then we wait, make sure that ATL can get Landry, if he falls to them, we already have a deal worked out with them.

At # 8, Atl takes Landry.

Somewhere down in the middle of round 1 you hear from Rodger Godell;

"We have a trade to annouce. The Washington Redskins Have traded the Rights to Okoye to Alt for the rights to Landry and a 3rd round pick."

THe question reminas, will we be the Giants after Manning, or the Chargers?

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 7:56 AM | Report abuse

kost-
Someone suggested "Orca" as the nickname for Okoye, as in Orca Okoye. Orca is a killer whale - perhaps a somewhat apt description.
Okoye is not related to Christian Okoye (Nigerian Nightmare) as is occasionally reported. He admitted to making up that story years ago.

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 7:59 AM | Report abuse

LL-
Things may be changing quickly. There are reports now of Atlanta moving up to get Johnson, and has the picks to pull off such a deal. Meanwhile, Peterson was re-injured in the Fiesta Bowl and may need minor surgery soon, which will delay his availability to practice/play. Buffalo may be interested in trading with KC for LJ. Etc, etc.
In other words, the trade down possibilities look less certain than ever. It will probably be Draft Day before it all gets worked out. Best hope is that one of the higher teams will do something incredibly stupid. (Detroit is the odds-on favorite.)

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so how can you tell how many comments have been posted? I only see totals for each blog entry. Is this something that only Cindy knows?

Posted by: kjh | April 26, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

kjh,
Only Cindy and MV Dame (?) keep track of the total. It is updated here from time to time. Check the previous thread from last night for the most recent update.

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:10 AM | Report abuse

47,425

Posted by: Cindy | April 25, 2007 06:19 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Guess that puts us about 1000/day needed for today and Friday each, and the remainder on Saturday morning. Speed reading is a must - Speed writing is essential.
Blog skimmers are wimps.

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I've said this before, and I'll say it again now.... Joe Gibbs, the Great Space Cowboy, had the opportunity to put our idiot owner in his place, BUT DIDN'T.

Napolean worshiped this guy growing up. If Gibbs, at any point, had said "stay out of it or I'm leaving"... well my bet is that Napolean would have stayed out of it, to include attending draft workouts, participating and forcing AWFUL free agent moves and trades, keeping his racquetball bug-eyed freak buddy, threatening players in order to give back cap space, etc.

But now, Gibbs has only created more of a monster by NOT putting his foot down from day 1... and unfortunately for us, he is/was the ONLY PERSON IN THIS WORLD who had the ability to alter Napolean's ways, but he didn't even try. In fact, our legendary turned mediocore to bad coach, actually bought into his reckless ways.

But hey guys, not to worry because Vinny "has a plan" and Gibby "thinks we're going about things the right way UP HERE" and Napolean is "proud of where we are". Just the quotes you would expect to hear following a 5-11 season.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

24 hours x 60 minutes = 1440 minutes/day
1440 x 2 = 2880 minutes between now and Saturday morning, 8:30 AM EDT.

One post per minute will get us to the goal and leave time for breakfast and one final mock draft update on Saturday. Simple stuff. The quest begins in 5 minutes.

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Not to poison the draft discussion but we have not discussed the special teams and kicking game at all. This is one of those spots that can provide you with a few more points a game and a good one alsters your playcalling. What is our feeling about Sashimi? Is he our mean? Hall has missed 26 games over the last 3 seasons ad is not relyble injury wise.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 26, 2007 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Forgot about punting. We give frost a lot of ribbing but the dude punted over 80 times last year. That is a pathetic offensive effort. Think he is solid...at least until he his not. Regarding kicking, I agree with dcsween, we can always pick up a marginal kicker midway through the season but very unsatifying.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 26, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

It's too bad that Snyder apparently decided to emulate Jerry Jones rather than Jack Kent Cooke on "How to be a successful NFL owner". When Gibbs leaves, Snyder will probably name himself as General Manager, figuring that all those player workouts he attended will qualify him for the job, along with all of Vinny's expert advice.

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

How come I am just now finding ou about the Blog Wear!!

Here is an idea.

BLOG HAIKU

HAIL REDSKINS
BEAT THEM COWBOYS
SEND EM HOME

or to be selfish

PPPP DDDD
P P D D
P P D D
PPPP DDDD

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 8:33 AM | Report abuse

The goal is simple:
Fifty thousand in 2 days!
Flaccid Dream. No Life.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 26, 2007 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Rick - right in line with all your thoughts is the most famous quote of the draft season regarding "we're better than our record"...

They live in a fantasy world. I look in the mirror every morning and say "man, I think I'm slimming down! My man boobs are no where NEAR where they were yesterday! ALRIGHT!!!" Then I get on the scale and I'm actually up a pound. Look for this season to be VERY similar, ie "4-12" doesn't have to change the name yet.

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Hmm;

That did not space right.

Try this

PPPP DDDD
PPPP DDDD
PPPP DDDD

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Hall is gone; Suisham appeared to be an improvement during his late-season trial. It would be great to get some kicking competition for training camp, but it's hard to justify using a pick on a kicker. The one exception might be Nick Folk, if he is available in the later rounds. He can punt and place-kick. Forget that Crosby kid - he seemed seriously overrated and shaky under pressure when I saw him.

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

PG,

Classic. As I battle with my addiction to the bubbly, I frequently tell myself that I'm "going about things the right way UP HERE" as I'm near black out, requesting Car/Jager bombs back-to-back...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Don't mind Orca at all.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I can't remember the last kicker the Skins had who could actually put it in the endzone on a consistent basis. And no, I don't mean kicking it out of bounds on the 5 yard line and having it skip beyond the end zone. Lohmiller? His strength naturally tailed off as he got older but he's the only one I can think of. Even if we can't draft a kicker, I'm sure there will be some undrafted kickers (sleepers) that the Skins could bring in to at least look at.

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 8:40 AM | Report abuse

PG,

Classic. As I battle with my addiction to the bubbly, I frequently tell myself that I'm "going about things the right way UP HERE" as I'm near black out, requesting Car/Jager bombs back-to-back...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 8:41 AM | Report abuse

It would also be good if some of the later round draft picks had good ratings on special teams work (blocking, gunning, etc.). Teams filled with older players are at a disadvantage during punts and kickoffs.

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I agree that we don't use a pick on a kicker and Sashimi was an acceptable kicker. He only had 11 TD kicks (made 9) last year so an unproven commodity. Here is another sad statistic...in 8 games only 14 XPs. WE NEED MORE TOUCHDOWNS!!!

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 26, 2007 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Punters? Oh yeah - Matt Turk will probably be a free agent again soon, if St Louis hasn't cut him already. (It's a joke, people.)

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Ahhh, Matt Turk. Brings back memories. One punt would be 65 yards and the next...6 yards. I couldn't watch the TV when he was punting out of our endzone.

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Frost likes to mix up his punting yardages also. Seems like Redskins punters always have that issue. When was the last time the Skins had an All-Pro punter?

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

The name Turk will bring back bad memories of the Tampa Bay game.....

Posted by: Nightmares | April 26, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

They should bring in the DC United and see who can kick a football. Yeah, a solid kicker could add 2-3 wins per year easy.. especially for the Skins. Wouldn't be a waste to use a late round pick on a K.

Posted by: cwprice | April 26, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Reggie Robey? Jeff Hayes? Curt Knight? Sammy Baugh?

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

To steal one from the great Frank Costanza, "serenity now... serenity now"

I agree completely on our kicking game. There is nothing worse than seeing an opposing team take the kickoff at the 15 or see the Space Cowboy send in the punt team (e.g. touchback team, do we know how to down a punt inside the 20?) on the 29 because 46 yards is "out of our range" and/or a punt was the best "way to go about things UP HERE at that point in time".

In all seriousness though, I was wrong about Frost. I thought he punted A LOT better than '05, minus the Indy meltdown. I also think Suisham was a solid addition last year. He could kick some 48-49 yarders and seemed to get kickoffs inside the 5. I hope that continues, b/c nothing irks me more than losing the field position game. Okay, fine, maybe a Space Cowboy presser, but that's it.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm telling you guys, if the skins want a punter, they should be looking down here!!

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 8:53 AM | Report abuse

kost-
I think the Eagles did that, didn't they?

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

And a Kicker Kost

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Yep, Saverio Rocca. Ben Graham (Jets) Mat McBriar (Cowgirls). They're Aussies, Darren Bennett formally of the Chargers, aussie as well. We grow up kicking footballs like that.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I can hear the average Aussie Rules Football player now - "Who the **** are the Redskins? What is a ******* Redskin anyway? Who the **** is Dan Snyder?"

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Holy Schnikes! Yesterday was en fuego! Sorry 6dubL, I had to bolt before I got your pachomp post. As far as I can remember..no...or wait, was it...uhhhh...no, I don't think...er...um...

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Didn't we have an Aussie punter 2 years ago? Laurie or something like that? But the Space Cowboy didn't like it that he didn't have 100 years experience and cut him loose.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

A thousand a day? Gooo!! That's insanity. Let's get it on.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Not sure about a kicker, have a look at this - http://www.afl.com.au/markgoal/home.aspx

click on goal of the year, then watch the Dustin Fletcher kick. They officially measured the kick at over 74 METRES!

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, we had signed David (?) Lonie, think he was out of California.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Anyone see the SI thing just out about us agreeing with Da Bears to get Briggs? "SAY IT AIN'T SO!!"
Now I'm back in Depression Valley.
Go Ricky Bobby, go!

Posted by: ILIkeSonny | April 26, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm REALLY hoping Frost pans out. The last thing we need to spend time worrying about is a punter. I'm not saying it's not an important position- we just appear have too many other positions to worry about to be spending time on a punter.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Kost -
Besides, Snyder always has to try to do everyone better, so he'll probably recruit the top Kiwi disposal expert. Next step will be a secret Redskins development camp in Tassie.
Gotta work now - Later!

Posted by: Pulp | April 26, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Anyone see the SI thing just out about us agreeing with Da Bears to get Briggs? "SAY IT AIN'T SO!!"
Now I'm back in Depression Valley.
Go Ricky Bobby, go!

Posted by: ILIkeSonny | April 26, 2007 09:03 AM

..'you serious, Clark?!

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Dang it, FO!! If you had a neck and I had hands, I would squeeze your brain- which is your body- out of the top of your head (which does not exist)!

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Bears linebacker Lance Briggs wants a trade out of Chicago. If a trade is struck with Washington, at least the Redskins reportedly have agreed to terms with Briggs on a new contract.

Chicago Sun Times

Posted by: This is Old News | April 26, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I can't find it on SI, do you have a link?

There's no way they make that trade right now, it's too close to draft day. They'd wait until they're on the clock and see if they get any trade offers.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

D7;

I doubt it is you. He used to post under a different name. But he had never seen south park, and he did see that episode where the mad scientist cloned kyle and out came pachomp...

he was messed up on acid and kept saying it over and over again. I have never heard anyone else mention it, so that is why I thought you might be him.

He must just be a lurking loser!

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Don't start that Briggs shti again....you're giving me heart palpitations, and not the good kind.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

SI is just saying the "numbers/terms" of a contract are in place with Briggs IF Chicago and the Redskins pull the trigger on a deal. Could be another bluff by the Redskins to make ATL trade up to 6th so Chicago doesn't get that pick...

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Went out to lunch the other day only to find like 800 posts to catch up on. M u s t l e a r n t o r e a d f a s s t t t e r r r r.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 26, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

6LL- ahhh, gotcha. In the words of the immortal Ed: You are correct, sir!! Mrs. 7 and I have been throwing up potential dog names (not literally) for a while now. Pachomp was a hilarious character and an even more hilarious pet name. Other notables were Jacoby and Meatwad.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Can't beleive that string there about the kicking/punting game. Agree with most of it. Of 50K, how many have been about the kicking? 3%?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 26, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

16,454.532

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Nate, you must be a vampire. Heroic contributions.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 26, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Post

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Well, we could have talked about the waterboy position. I hear that is a hot topic around Redskin Park.

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

rickey

we are stuck with snyder its the bug eyed racquetball player i hate. Danny liked and wanted santana and we picked 50 50. so maybe he has an eye for top talent. I doubt he gets involved in latter rounds (No splash) so thats where vinny and the scouts and gibbs must do a much better job.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Another day closer to the draft, another post closer to 50K.

Played poker with some NE Pats fans last night. They really believe the Pats are willing to package their 1st round picks to move up. Don't know if I see that happening. ATL also has plenty of ammunition to move up. I really think ATL is going to make a strong move to trade with either OAK or DET to take Johnson.

I truly believe the Skins are in a great position to trade down & still pick up either Okoye or Landry.

Can't wait until Saturday!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

we also need to keep more picks so we have more turns at bat. the whole draft top to bottom is crapshoot.

maybe if i repeat myself 50,000 times we just get 100,000.

we been shooting our guns from a moving platform instead of a foundation. the stability comes from QB/coach.you have that then you got something.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Rumour from GBN:

Chicago and Miami may work something out over franchised Bears' LB Lance Briggs involving a swap of the 9th and 31st picks. And like the Broncos, the Bears may make this move a stepping stone to go even higher as Chicago is rumored to be interested in moving up to get Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn...

This rumour makes no sense just as it is, since the Redskins were willing to offer the #6 for Briggs and #31. But the bottom line, if the Bears want The Mighty Quinn, there could be a deal. But then, Quinn probably goes to Cleveland.

But maybe the Bears really have in mind to take Willis at #9. And they might figure they'll have to pay Willis less if they take him at 9 rather than 6.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 26, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"Kid" Okoye has a great story, but if we pick him he's going to get manhandled his first year. He still is a kid, and will have to grow up to be able to handle the NFL caliber O-Lineman that will be swallowing him up. That being said, maybe he grows into it and becomes a straight up beast for 5-10 years? Then we'd be in the proverbial catbird's seat....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Jon, the idea of the Pats trading up for the best player available that two first rounders can buy ... makes complete sense to me. The don't seem like a 'need' team right now (except to replace Dillon ... and Peterson and Lynch both have some risk factors at play). They have played the offseason like they are the Skins; win now and win big.

In the kicking game, I agree that Frost got himself together before the season ended, but I still think the guy is not mentally stable (or only stable when heavily medicated). Kicker is a stress job -- punting should be less so, but quotes from him sound like he is one whiff away from a complete meltdown. The only thing that maintains his sanity is not whiffing. Skins cannot afford having a punter going into a psych out slump.

Last season, I was pro-Lonie, but my vote didn't count. I still like the idea of Travis Dorsch, but think I have to wait till training camp. Kickers and punters REQUIRE a controversy to be at the top of their game, esp. youngish guys. That said, I'm good as long as Frost stays on his meds.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I live in the prov.ri area haven't hears the pats moving up talk to much up hear. they got a few reciever s in FA. see them staying and taking lb and cb.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

repeat theme toward 50k

Jeff george is the single worst move the team has made since snyder has been in control.

It undermined a good solid QB (Johnson) and the head coach (Norv). Norv would've been gone likey anyway, but we would have done it like everyone else... After the fking season.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Old School--

Hey, what do people in Providence know about the Pats and the draft?

If you read it on Redskin Insider, you can bet it in Vegas.

Posted by: KK | April 26, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Old School, I don't recall the Pats ever playing the disinformation game -- they seem like they work on their silence is golden game.

The interesting bit about the Bears-Fins-Briggs-Quinn discussion is that it might be that the Bears may well take the original Skins offer after all (i.e., not require another player), esp. if Quinn is there at #6, which could well happen assuming Russell goes first.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Guys - What is intergoogle???

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for medicated kickers!

NE Pats 2 1st round picks (24 & 28) equate to 1400 points or the # 8 pick on the draft value chart. Texans are currently at # 8 and with all the holes in their roster I could definitely see them trading down.

The question is would the Skins be interested in such a trade & what else would be included in such a swap given the 200 point difference between picks # 8 & # 6.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Sween, If Russell goes first, then I think it is less likely that Quinn will be there. Cleveland is the most likely top 5 team to take QB (dont count out Detriot yet). So is Russell is gone at , cleveland would take Quinn.

Of course maybe the lions want only Russell, so if he is there then they jump in and take him. But it seems Marinelli wants Defense.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

brining in george underming what we had QB and i will say system rather than coach, spun the whole fragile thing (New owner, the tranistion issue from the Cook trust) into the total shabingus we have become.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait for the draft because I am dying to see who the J-E-T-S pick and whether their fans will jump out the window or not!

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Big daddy, stubby, bruce smith, dion, dumb maybe but night life threating on their own. we couldn't possibally get the most out of what those guys had left, when they looked at the total mess the owner brought with that move.(george)

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Nate Rulz
less than 50,000 drulz

Posted by: chris Larry | April 26, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Well, not to defend Snyder, cause he is tough to defend, but he made one good move that made up for everything else. He brought back Gibbs! Even if Gibbs is never successful, it is a great to see him and the old crew on the sidelines again. Who cares about the record.

Posted by: JoeyV | April 26, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

man, i can't type

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

If the Browns take Quinn, then Peterson falls to #6. If the Browns take Peterson, then Quinn falls to #6. If the Raiders take Russell, then all he\_\_ breaks lose b/c the bidding war to trade up for CJ starts and Peterson and Quinn are casualty picks b/c everyone freaks out to get them sooner than they hoped based on the uncertainty. If the Raiders take Russell, then everyone's plans unfold according to pre-draft prep. Its like the stock market, as uncertainty increases, so does panic, which skews rationality.

The Cards don't want Quinn/Peterson b/c they have Leinart/Edge. Who they PLAN to pick might not be available if panic breaks loose, so they could freak out and trade UP to make sure they get they want, opening up their pick for someone who otherwise would be the Skins trade partner for the #6 availability of Quinn/Peterson (whoever the Browns don't take).

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

joey v

exactly. snyder brought back the face of the franchise . Gibbs goal was to resore the franchise, restablish the idenity and win.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

JoeyV- Yeah, Gibbs was brought in not only in an effort to win, but also to bring stability to the organization. Put the right people in the right place. Bring in "Redskin" type players. Players that play hard and are humble to wear the uniform. You're right, it was a good move by Snyder. Now, we just need to Win!

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

we expected a fast start but its taken joe longer to adjust.

I posted yesterday , That Joe only now feels comfortable with where we are and where we are going. so even though he brough stability we (in his mind) weren't until now.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Inetrgoogle anyone??

DCSween - I klnow you know what this is?

Cyn City - You gosta know?!?!

Someone?

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Last night, Lisa and sfskin remarked about how, in the face of actual Skins' news, the blog traffic increases, including the possible onset of trolls.

Given the 50k goal, this might be a good time to remind people about ITA (Ignore The @ssclowns), esp. new posters or lurkers thinking about posting. As traffic increases, trolls appear and post to disparage the RI blog and/or specific posters. Its gets real negative.

The appropriate response is to ITA. If you respond, they don't go away.

In order to get to 50k, peeps need to be mindful of remaining positive, relevant and/or hilarious. Thread killers, like troll posts and responses to them, should be avoided.

Positive mojo is important, not only for getting to 50k, but also to maintain positive off-season karma so that Skins' FO maintains its composure and doesn't F*$K UP this draft. SHOMER SHABBOS. SHOMER HAIKU. SHOMER ITA.

We now return to your regularly scheduled blogging.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Yep! We need to win! I think we will, but if we don't I am going to try and enjoy the last couple of years that Gibbs will be the Head Coach.

How much longer do you think he has? This year and next, max? If Joe sticks to his commitment that's about it. Of course after that I am hoping he will be part of the organization but you never know with Gibbs, he retired completely from football once before - and the stress of the job definitely weighs on folks, especially when you are over 60!

Posted by: JoeyV | April 26, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

big part of that was brunell. Joe knew he was only a transition QB, a bridge to get to campbell. Joe just picked the wrong bridge.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

There should be constant updates here on our progress towards 50k, makes for a some easy posts

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

DC-

I think all hell will break loose personally. Good amount of talent on defense, 2 decent QB's, and a potential gamebreaker in CJ. I hope everyone has a 40oz within arms reach on Sat at 12:11AM eastern time, cause it's gonna be a show.

RB- what, pray tell, is a Jagger Bomb? A rolling stone with diarrhea? I don't understand...but I'll have THREE!!!

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

or 12:11pm...

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I think with all the $nyder bashing, it is easy to forget that at heart Danny is a true Skins fan & with all his ca$h and youthful exuberance, some mistakes were bound to happen. At the end of the day, I'd rather have an owner who is aggressive about building a great team then one who is afraid to $pend.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I care about the record. I dont watch this team to try and remember when I was younger and we were winning. I want to win now. Call me selfish but I root to win, not to watch.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

And forgot who wrote it a bunch of posts ago, but I agree, Jeff George was the worst thing to happen to this franchise.......he killed that very good team by playing instead of Brad Johnson when Johnson was hurt and then still playing when BJ came back from injury.

The only comparable move was Archuleta, except we cut ties with that joke relatively easily this offseason.

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Google has become a verb ... to use google.com to search the Web. A (very) senior senator from Alaska referred to the Internet as a series of "tubes". Browsers and search engines have increased in number and utility ... in some cases, faster than entire population of users can adapt. The Prehistoric Caveman Blogger gets frightened and confused by these new tools.

Intergoogling the webtubes is a short hand word (that can be used as a noun, verb, adjective, adverb ... depending on how these terms are transformed) to describe any of those terms. Just check the intergoogles for what you're looking for.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

here is a guess.

I think joe signs an extension and coaches longer than the original contract.

Again it depends on JC and how things look to joe this year and heading into next. if he thinks we really have something, i think odds better 50% he extends a couple years.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

JonTPK126 - I agree. Snyder loves the Redskins and wants to win but some of his revenue tactics turn the average fan against him despite his spending ways. I wish he would just let other people spend his money. I know it's tough for him to do but it would save him a lot of flack from fans (as if he cares anyway) and in the end he would probably have more to show for it...ie rings.

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

You could be on to something Old School. If Joe gets on a little run and it looks promising, who knows? Winning solves everything, and certainly makes it easier to watch.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Old School,

No way. Shook Joes hand in Indy last year. He's exhausted, overwhelmed, and frankly outmatched by todays game (yes, I am a psychic and could tell all that from one hand squeeze). He'll fulfill his obligation and ride a stock car off into the sunset.

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or do you sense that if we still had Norv around as head coach, he would find at way to screw up reaching 50K in the last two minutes before the draft (and then somehow spin it positively in the post-game?). Man, I miss him ... :-)

thanks sween for the great reminder on ITA.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Sween - You confused me even more. Is inter google a website? Or is it just a new word to google stuff. I don't google, but I yahoo. Does that mean i really inter-yahoo?

Man, the Inet is confusing.......

The thing a coup of years ago was the 'have you ever google yourself" thing? Now, are you supposed to 'Intergoogle' yourself????????????????

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

At this point St. Joe is just looking to restore his HOF aura and ride off, leaving behind a restored team of "true" Redskins. I think if he makes the playoffs this year, he hangs it up. Unless he decides to hang around just to be the team spokesman and lets Saunders and Double G take over.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

If you google yourself too much, you'll go blind

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Just don't 'Intregoogle' yourself in public because it's a misdemeanor in most states.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Ok, Pub, you got me. Thanks for bringing me back to reality.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Theres a big difference between googling yourself while looking out of a window and googling yourself while looking into a window.

One of them is very illegal

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

can't wait to see what we do, obviously trading with the dolphins or falcons would be ideal.

(this is just me trying to help the 50,000 cause) good luck nate

Posted by: POC | April 26, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

wow, just read 100 posts in like 4 minutes...

good morning RI hampsters!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

One more positive thing about Snyder, at least he doesn't come down and pace the sidelines for the last few minutes of the game with a dramatic look on his face!

#6DoubleEL : Don't know how old you are but having Gibbs on the team is comforting and believe me we all want to win. He will make it happen or at least right the ship which he has already started with quality players like: Moss, Portis, Cooley, Washington, Taylor, ARE, Smoooo0oot, Campbell.

Good ol' buges has got the line clicking too... just a matter of time!

Posted by: JoeyV | April 26, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Theres a big difference between googling yourself while looking out of a window and googling yourself while looking into a window.

One of them is very illegal


Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 10:40 AM


LMAO!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

maybe Cindy or some web geek can answer this - was Wash Post blogs set up to handle 50,000 posts in such a short time? I think we will all take great pride if the Wash Post had to buy another web server because of us.

I think Nate would be very very proud.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Everyone loves to hate on the owner, but believe me I think we could do much worse.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

JoeyV, love the optimism!!! I too think Gibbs still has something in the tank.

Question is Gibbs' something better then most coaches everything? I think so... I'm also a blind homer in like with a 60 something year old man.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

IM where have you been? Its LMGO on this intergoogled page.......

Where are the IT tekkes? WTF is intergoogle?!?!?!?

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

So, can anyone name an owner that actually has some degree of sanity that goes on scouting trips?

Guess not.

And isn't it Cindy that wants the 50K or was that Lisa? Nate's just a no limt souljah.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"...Darrel Green used to do that. His speed can also make up for others "mistakes". Darrel Green pulling down Tony Dorsett from behind. So now the top RB will just go 10 yard instead of 50 for the TD, Okoye won't stop that."

Posted by: Periculum | April 25, 2007 06:29 PM

Holy s**t! If you are relying on your cornerbacks & safeties to stop the run, you are in big trouble. Run support yes, but not to compensate for the defensive line & linebackers. Darrel Green was a gifted athelete & one of a kind. But he was not superman and the defense did rely on him to stop the run.

Posted by: notherNWskinsfan | April 26, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

JoeyV --

I think your sentiment was right the first couple of years of Gibbs 2.0 -- it was comforting to have him back on the sidelines. But at this point in the comeback, its time to have everything click. There are really no more excuses. I want to keep St Joe on the pedestal like everyone else, but I am first a fan of the team rather than any particular player or coach. I'm not throwing him under the bus, just a bit of perspective.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Also trying not to be an @ss clown today. But did anybody catch the Phil Spector Perp Walk Shot on the front web page of wapo.com?

He's ditched the fro for some insane boy-band cut died blonde.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

One more positive thing about Snyder, at least he doesn't come down and pace the sidelines for the last few minutes of the game with a dramatic look on his face!

Posted by: JoeyV | April 26, 2007 10:43 AM

That dramatic look coupled with a horrible face lift. Speaking of face lifts, has anyone seen Gary Shandling as of late? YIKES! Jerry, Gary & Burt Reynolds ought to start a club. I think Gene Simmons might want to join.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Larry Bud: I guess I don't pay attention to other owners too much so I wouldn't know. I don't care if Snyder goes on trips or not, he isn't making the decisions on the talent to pick - it is clearly Gibbs. If it wasn't Gibbs would be out of here.

I view Snyder as Gibb's apprentice.

Again, I rather have an owner that scouts than one that scouts, paces the sidelines and deems his team America's team.

Consistency in the NFL is gone, you can only hope for staff consistency now, such as the Steelers (they just changed) and Patriots

Posted by: JoeyV | April 26, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The 'Skins' owner is "special".

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Wait, if J-La is hosting a chat at 11am, does that mean all the RI hamsters will go somewhere else on Wash Post site? We need to maintain the posting momentum here, eh?

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey where's the link to JLC's live chat?

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Just

Posted by: Dorf | April 26, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

to reach

Posted by: Dorf | April 26, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Phil Spector would definitely join the face-lift club.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Over 134 posts already on this blog... not too shabby :).

Posted by: JoeyV | April 26, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

it was just a guess.

also about equal odds he had hand shake deal with double g that night in buffalo at 3am. "i am staying for 5 then it yours"

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that worked...

It was sposed to say "just doing my part to reach 50k."

I like how Barry Svrluga of the Nationals Journal gets pumped about 50 comments on a thread... and you guys are pushing for 1000 a day.

You'd be proud though, the 8th grade social studies classes all know when the homework board says "SYGO" you're supposed to study your guts out.

I can't believe the draft is finally here... remember back in January when we were all wondering what would become of the RI?

Posted by: Dorf | April 26, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

what's Danny pay out to double g if he doesnt get the head job? $1 million? Guess it depends on if double g turns around the D this year.

But could be a very small price to pay if Russ Grimm or Cowher is available.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Es, my job allows me a lot of time on RI, but unfortunately I have to work for the first hour and I am in CST.

Guess I better open up JLC in a different browser, LMGO??? What does that stand for? ... must have missed it.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I know its not redskins related but did you hear about the famous bloody sock of Curt Schilling from the 2004 world series.

Supposedly Doug Maribelli (sp) told Gary Thorne that it was a publicity stunt and that the red was actually painted on the sock. Thorne brought it up l;ast night during the O's game

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

joey v

like snyder's aggresive nature he was (is) misguided I agree i think Gibbs is showing him team building.we have been an aggressive franchise since the early 70's a veteran win now team, thats not gonna change.QB/coach, then be balls out aggressive. thats the model. thats what all other owners fear.

Best combo is to win and be overpaid.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

From Tuesday Presser.

LMGO - Gibbs said a prospect had him 'Laughing his Guts Out"

Thus, Gibbs created Laugh My Guts Out, or LMGO...

Go check the posts on tuesday starting around 4 pm......

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

dont rest RI just because JLC is "live" online right now.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Guess I better open up JLC in a different browser, LMGO??? What does that stand for? ... must have missed it.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 11:02 AM

Laughing My Guts Out...
A tribute to St. Joe and his affinity for ending every sentence with someone doing something to the extent of their guts coming out.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

What can JLaC provide to us on his blog that we already don't know?? That's why I ain't going.........

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

ES, thanks... thats brilliant.

I remember "skimming" that afternoon... probably why I missed it.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I meant 'live online chat' not blog.....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

J-La has already posted that he thinks the online chat counts towards the 50K. I think we should refer this ruling to the ref in the booth. I'm throwing the red flag on that one - it ain't RI.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

IT seems as if JLaC has everyone over there in another place on this website I shall not mention. JLaC dosen't know what we will do in the draft, so what good can come out, other than bashing how we add players to our team.......

Sorry, but someone needs to keep JLaC on his toes.........

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If I asked JLC a question while typing on here... is that double dipping?

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Yes it is.......

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

IM - no double dipping, bro! Let's earn the 50K the old fashion way.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Dorf,

You an 8th grade teacher?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Well, I unfortunately already submitted my question, the old... dont ask for permission, beg for forgiveness thought process.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Paps in Manilla - Yes, Man Boobs gets $1M if he's not the head coach when Gibbs retires. But, who would run the defense if Man Boobs is head coach? Jerry Gray? I almost would rather have Al Saunders as head coach and in control of play calling duty and have Man Boobs keep the defensive coordinator job with an extra $1M in his back pocket.

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

oops, he answered it:


Saint Louis: JLC,

Do you get the feeling that Gibbs is tired? Or do you think he still has something left in the tank?

Jason La Canfora: I think Joe is plenty driven. he works very, very hard. No doubt about it. Some would say with the current front office structure that hard work won't be enough to get it turned around, but we'll see

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

JLaC still hatin....

Sorry, keeping it real......

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, special ed... We're watching Miracle today for a Cold War section in social studies... sweet.


AGAIN!

Posted by: Dorf | April 26, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I may or may not be an 8th grade english teacher. If not for standardized tests, I would not be able to help the 50K cause.

I get up, walk around to discourage cheating, blog, grade papers, walk, blog.

So there's one upside of NCLB.

Your tax dollars at work.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

JLC is talking about the possible and illusive long term contract for COOOLEY. Is there anyone else here who loves Cooley as much as I do? That man is a football player and probably my favorite since D. Green wore the B&G.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I may or not have a crossword puzzle competition with the social studies teacher every day. I may or may not have played softball yesterday with the PE class and went 2 for 2 with a HR, a RBI and 2 runs scored.

My middle school may or may not be accredited.

NCLB may or may not be the most awesome thing to ever happen to the education system.

JLC is working it on the chat. We need to throw in a few fake questions to keep it lively.

Posted by: Dorf | April 26, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Tell JLaC He farted on the blog, because it stinks since 10:59 am.....

Posted by: Romer | April 26, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I like Cooley because he plays the game the right way. Doesn't complain to the media about teammates, coaches, etc. He doesn't over-do-it with touchdown celebrations. He's also hilarious and keeps the team loose. Hopefully, he is a Redskin for a long time.

Posted by: Skinz | April 26, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Way to steal the thunder away from RI =(
Thanks JLC

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If we end up w/ Landry or Briggs, the FatHead comes down from my basement wall. You've been warned, Danny Boy.

Bears linebacker Lance Briggs wants a trade out of Chicago. If a trade is struck with Washington, at least the Redskins reportedly have agreed to terms with Briggs on a new contract.

Posted by: FatHead | April 26, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

A little local flavor in the mix...

Mel Kiper: You want a sleeper? Towson's Jermon Bushrod. He's an offensive tackle who has great athletic and physical ability. He's also a left tackle, and there are very few quality left tackles after the top four in this draft. There are three first-round left tackles, and another one that is a borderline. You could have four left tackles go by pick No. 36. After that there is a big dropoff. That really helps a guy like Bushrod.

I wonder if he can play guard? If not, a little more depth on the OL wouldn't hurt.

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

http://redskinsgames.com/blog2/

Tandler says the Skins will take Adams if he's there.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 26, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

How can you not like Cooley? But if he ever starts to refer to himself in the third person, I will hire someone to do the Britney Spears thing on his hair.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 26, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Who can't wait to see Calvin Johnson in a Skins uniform getting paid and catching TD's.

Posted by: cj's agent | April 26, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

With the 6th pick of the draft the Redskins select Brady Quinn.

Posted by: notre dame | April 26, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I doule-dipped and I feel ashamed. But I was right - Learned nothing new........

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

This is the 4th time I have asked:

Is anybody comeing out to Landover on Saturday? I'm bringing the kids so my son can run around and my daughter can bother anyone who is willing to talk to her....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

awesome chat, thanks for taking my questions

Posted by: beat cal | April 26, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I too hope Gibbs stays longer if he likes what he sees from Soup this season and next. If he does leave after his contract is up, I want Cowher or Grimm as the next coach.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | April 26, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

ES, would love to visit FedEx for the draft, unfortunately the metro doesnt run to St Louis :(

And the last time I was at FedEX, the Skins lost to the Vikings and embarassed themselves on MNF.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I would like the Skins to get a taller receiver too, but we DON'T need to f up the draft by picking CJ. As of now take Okoye.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | April 26, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Let's say the Skins take C.Johnson - what number does he wear. #21 in college, but Taylor owns it and NFL receivers can't wear # in the 20's. He can't wear #81.

11 - Espy
80 - open
81 - Monk
82 - ARE
83 - Thrash
84 - open
85 - Lloyd
86 - open
87 - Yoder
88 - open
89 - Moss

My guess is 11.

Okoye - #90
Landry - #30 (sorry Nemo)

Posted by: hail to 'em | April 26, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Just make sure there aren't any problems with that Baby. I hope he/she comes out during an 8-10 game winning streak this time. Mine won't make it out until we're in the NFC Championship game. LMGO!

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hail -- that was three posts there. You've got to feel the rhythm.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 26, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

How the F*ck does Jarvis Hayes have a 2007 Rolls Royce Phantom? The way he played last night, he'll be out of the league next week!

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Hail - He can were teen #s save for 17.

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Ouch - I am still in training camp.

Posted by: hail to 'em | April 26, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

HUGE Cooley fan- loved the nickname Captain Chaos, but I guess it didn't really stick. You gotta appreciate his tough YAC. I met him at a charity event last year when he had the afro going (which, by the way, is hands down the best look in my personal opinion); he's a real laid-back cat. I also briefly "met" GGrilliams. Having recently signed the 2-yr extension, he made some kind of off-handed comment about how he was previously thinking of rounding up Saunders and heading for a head coaching gig. Nice. At least lie to me and tell me how Jonesd you were about staying w/ my team.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

ES, The wizards are done...

and I'm out to lunch... I'll be BMGO when I get back.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Sween, regarding the resumption of the Briggs trade, if the Bears call the Skins asking to go back to the Skin's original offer that the Bears previously rejected, the Skins' front office should tell the Bears that the offer went down and that the Bears should add an extra pick to make the deal work. The Skins are holding the cards now and their LB position is not the most glaring need. In contrast, the Bears have a disgruntled player who is ready to sit out 10 out of 16 games this upcoming the season, while they are paying him a hefty "franchise tag" salary. But I am afraid the Skin's front office is too inconmpetent when it comes to negotiating.

Posted by: M | April 26, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Just want to coach you up while padding my own stats...

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 26, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

'Captain Chaos' never struck me as capturing Cooley... much like the Geico motorcycle ad, I think "Fuzzy Bunny" might work.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 26, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Cooley's a beast. He is the most Riggo-like of the current squad, even down to the 'fro.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

'Captain Chaos' never struck me as capturing Cooley... much like the Geico motorcycle ad, I think "Fuzzy Bunny" might work.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 26, 2007 12:45 PM
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LMAO. That reminds me of Greg the Bunny.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"But I am afraid the Skin's front office is too inconmpetent when it comes to negotiating."

-M

Whatever gave you such a silly notion?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Back to the whole @ss clown thing. you guys would let me know if I was being one right?

feeling a little paranoid, sorry.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Greg the Bunny... I know I should get that, can't pull it though.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Long time reader first time poster just killing the day with all of the new posts and doing my part to get to 50K. It took half of my day to catch up with all of the posts.

Posted by: SSWest | April 26, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'd be for a briggs deal if we got a heckuva lot more from the Bears than the last 'deal.' He's clearly got a huge super-potential upside. The chance to show his old team what they lost alone should be worth it.

Posted by: T | April 26, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Larry Bud, you're my hero (not that I'd presume to be one of the "guys" to whom you addressed that, but...).

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Hah, hah, hah...I'm ALREADY smart enough to know this is working.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I do not think that we need another LB the only way that we trade is for more picks or if a trade is involved then we must get a Dlineman in the trade

Posted by: SSWest | April 26, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I love greg the bunny, blah.

Anyone else here want more details about what Jerry Angelo said to/about Uncle Junior during the owners meeting?

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I am a long time reader. First time poster. This blog is great and I wanted to help get to 50k.

Posted by: JonJon | April 26, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Ooooh- spill etrod, spill!

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

All has been pretty quiet on the Briggs front, although someone a few posts backs mentioned we agreed to terms with him should the trade be completed..........source?

I also assume everyone's heard about Adrian Peterson hurting his collarbone, which could make him a slide a little more and hurt our chances of trading down, yikes

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I phrased that incorrectly...anyone else besides me want to know what he said? only J-La-Soul can spill the beans. Sorry.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Reported on the last sports center that now the Arizona Cardinals are interested in trading their pick. Let the rumors begin.

Posted by: bram weinstein | April 26, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

So, Jason talks about "the comedic genius of guys like nateinthePDX, Jm220 and haikuman." Okay, guys. Do it. Write something that displays your "comedic genius." We're all waiting.

You're all out to lunch, aren't you?

Posted by: KK | April 26, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Right. Perhaps my powers of perception have also dimmed slightly with the recent uptick in posing.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Posting, that is.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Also heard that Mike and Mike this morning were discussing how Raiders taking Calvin Johnson is gaining steam, and where that leaves Russell, as Lions would probably take Thomas #2, then Quinn still might go #3

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

How did the Peterson's collarbone story not leak before yesterday? He told teams about it at the combine? I am shocked by this.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

You know Al Davis wants CJ.

Posted by: raider fan | April 26, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Although I haven't experience it...I feel like a collarbone injury is minor. Just a small, fluke injury if you will. I don't think it'll affect his draft status. Of course, I could be totally wrong.

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Mugamuck - All of the team knew this at the combine. It's just getting to us regular folks now. An attempt by another's player's agent to be picked in front of him, perhaps???

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

havent posted in awhile, been spending time at the Soccer Insider again, just wanted to contribute to the 50,000.
lol

Posted by: Kenny | April 26, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Will it just be Saturday already.

Posted by: draft | April 26, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I broke my collar bone playing football in high school. I didn't let it heal and rushed back to finish the season. It broke again. However it only needed 3 months to heal the second time and I never had any other problems with it. (granted I didn't play in the Pro's, but I also didn't have all the tools to make it heal faster.) I thin the story was leaked just to create some info to make him slide to certain teams. For all we know the leak could have come from the Bills who despartely need a RB.

Posted by: hail to 'em | April 26, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

ES-

Just impressed with the ability of 32 teams to keep knowledge of a top-5 prospect's major injury from going public for 2 months.

If that's what happened.

I'd love to know the evolution of this, from the intital injury, to the decision to hide it until the combine, how each team was told, what each team did with the information. Even after the draft, would make for an interesting story.

Bad news for the Redskins though - hurts the chances of trading down. With Peterson possibly out of the top 5 it makes trading with Arizona more appealing to teams in the 7-12 range.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I also always thought it was a relatively minor injury, but consider Charles Rogers, who had it recurr and missed the last 12 games of his first season, and all of his 2nd season.


Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

hail to 'em, thanks for the perspective. The fact that the story stayed under wraps for so long makes me think the re-injury isn't that big of a concern for most teams.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Makes me almost glad to hear that something didn't leak out of a major sport for once........but how did this not leak while the pot smoking info did?? I would think this Peterson info is a much bigger deal

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Raiders - Russell
Lions - Thomas
Browns - Peterson
Bucs - Johnson
Redskins - Okoye

I have a feeling thats how it it will shake out.

Posted by: hail to 'em | April 26, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

A poll for anyone who is reading this:

Say Gaines Adams falls to 6, the Redskins don't get a decent offer to trade down, and the choice is between Okoye, Adams and Landry.

Who do you take?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that CJ is a luxury Oakland can't afford... they have so many problems on offense, and a WR can only have so much impact... even a RB can't touch the ball enough to change the entire complexion of a team. QB or o-line have to be where you start, at least then you play every down.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 26, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Hail to 'em-

You skipped Arizona at #5

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Okoye

Posted by: hail to 'em | April 26, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Hail -- You're missing AZ ... who did they take? Or are we moving up to #5?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 26, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

HEY MRBOSOX

WAS IT BLOOD OR PAINT

Posted by: BABY ROCK | April 26, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I'll answer for myself and Old School.... pick the right one.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 26, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

With Oakland having so many leads and CJ clearly the top prospect they should trade back and get as much as they can for it to stockpile the picks for all of the holes that they have.

Posted by: SSWest | April 26, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

F the Cardinals! - ha - just kidding I sure did. Sorry. ( I could have said, I meant to so I would have to re-post it to get to 50k)


Raiders - Russell
Lions - Thomas
Browns - Peterson
Bucs - Johnson
Cards - Adams
Redskins - Okoye

Posted by: hail to 'em | April 26, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Skins would take Okoye over Landry or Adams. If all 3 are there, also wouldn't be surprised if we could trade back, as Atlanta loves Okoye and Landry, and Adams is the top Defensive player in the draft for a lot of teams. So i'll go off the board and say try to slide back and still get one of those guys.

Personally, I love Adams, but he doesnt fit. I'd still take him over Okoye though, with Landry being my 3rd choice based on his position and the presence of the Reaper

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

cload and daggar, I think most folks agree the Raiders only take CJ if they pick up a big name at QB, probably Culpepper. I think it's killing Al Davis right now because he KNOWS CJ will be great, but he NEEDS a QB prospect, and Jamarcus Russell has had excellent offensive line protection at LSU, so no one knows how he'll handle the lack of decent protection at Oakland.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else wish the problems on our D would just go away so that we could mortgage our future and draft CJ???

If I had to choose between Okoye/Landry/Adams,

Adams- not even a consideration
AO & L2, I would take either of them and probably lean towards L2.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

muga;

Dont need another Carter type, so Adams is out.

I say we will take Okoye, which I will not like. We spent two good late 2nd day draft picks on DT... we dont need another.

If we cant trade out of our 6, I say, ad naseum, L2

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Adams

Posted by: blu | April 26, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Whether it was blood or paint- either way Schilling looked pretty decent last night. Sadly. Even though I'm an O's fan, I root for the Nats- and as a baseball fan in general, I'm excited about visiting the new stadium. Anybody going to opening day next year?

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I dont think AL Davis is even considering CJ... he is absolutely loving the big, strong-armed QB. Russell is going to be fun to watch.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Skins would take Okoye over Landry or Adams. If all 3 are there, also wouldn't be surprised if we could trade back, as Atlanta loves Okoye and Landry, and Adams is the top Defensive player in the draft for a lot of teams. So i'll go off the board and say try to slide back and still get one of those guys.

Personally, I love Adams, but he doesnt fit. I'd still take him over Okoye though, with Landry being my 3rd choice based on his position and the presence of the Reaper

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 01:41 PM

__________

Jon, I agree with you on each and every point - I'm really hoping Quinn falls to 6 and the Redskins can pull off a trade with Miami and also get pick 60.

What do you think the Redskins would get from Atlanta if they agreed to drop to #8? And who do they pick at 8?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

again repeat theme in the quest for 50k.

i like all the possibilities the skins have at the top of the draft and don't think we will mess that up. but of equal or greater importance is to find some players in the 5th ,6th ,7th . that has been our problem for a long long time.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

When is Wilbon's NFL Draft chat?

Posted by: SMACK | April 26, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins -- Amobi Okoye. Team loves him but doesn't love him enough to warrant them taking him over a safety like LaRon Landry or even Jamaal Anderson. The team will still try, try, try to get out of this slot. I still believe they could get a deal done for Lance Briggs before Roger Goodell takes the podium. "

Posted by: ES Per Jay Glazer on calling BS BS | April 26, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon is strictly NB of A. You don't listen to PTI while driving home? HE didn't even want to talk about it with Mel yesterday....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Capn Chaos...Inigo...the man is my hero. Anyone white guy who can:

a. rock a fro
b. have a wife in Utah (??? just one you ask? for now...)
c. Get >4 Cheerleaders fired while having b.
d. Look cool wearing #47

is my friggin hero. Did I mention the cheerleaders???

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLEYYYYYYY!!! Greatest name call in the park on an autumn sunday...

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm still hoping the Redskins can drop to 9 and get Anderson. If that happens, I suggest they take this guy with one of their late picks:

Kyle Young
OC | (6'5", 350, 5.52) | FRESNO STATE

Possesses excellent size. Is tall with good overall bulk and adequate strength. A technically sound player with great awareness. Makes all the line calls and shows a terrific understanding of his offensive scheme and opposing defensive alignments. He has the size to engulf smaller defenders at the point of attack. More of a mauler than anything. Takes good angles, knows his physical limitations and stays within his boundaries. He does a good job of knowing where the blitz is coming from in pass pro. He shows the size and base to anchor versus the bull rush. A bit of a mauler in the running game. Maximizes his physical tools. Is a durable and experienced prospect that has not missed a single offensive play over the past three seasons (2003-'05). Shows outstanding leadership skills, instincts and football intelligence. A hard worker on and off the field.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

If we trade with atl, and they take Landry or Okoye, I say we take who is left.

Here it is

Oak - Jmarc
Lions - Adams
Clev - Peterson
TB - Johnson
Ari - Thomas
Atl - Okoye
Vikes - Quinn
Wash - Landry

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

cload

couldn't and (didn't) say it better myself

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

No to Briggs!!!

Posted by: SSWest | April 26, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"Miami -- Trade down with Chicago, who moves up to six with a Lance Briggs deal, and take Brady Quinn. This is a very hot rumor running around the league and, in fact, league sources even say the two teams have had some minor exploratory talks about such a move. I think even if they trade for Trent Green, it's a solid move for the new Cam Cameron Era. Side note: the Chiefs equipment guy has already sent Green's shoulder pads and other equipment he uses down to Miami thinking that deal will get done. Do I think that Chicago moves up and then trades with Miami? Not really. Not sure they think they'll have to move for him if Quinn gets out of the top four. Miami is also shopping Marty Booker to pick up additional picks in this draft. "

Posted by: ES via Jay Glazer AGAIN | April 26, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Smack;

Read wilbons chat form monday. He despises the draft and will never cover it.

PG - Cooley is divorced from his wife and is with the Cheerleader that caused all the drama.

During the season he calls in every monday to Elliot in the Morning(or tuesday for the mon night games) and discusses the game. At the end of the season, he and (whats her name) went to the Bahamas. They are prolly close to marrying.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Kristy (i) (ie) is her name!

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If we trade with atl, and they take Landry or Okoye, I say we take who is left.

Here it is

Oak - Jmarc
Lions - Adams
Clev - Peterson
TB - Johnson
Ari - Thomas
Atl - Okoye
Vikes - Quinn
Wash - Landry

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 01:49 PM


Would obviously love this scenario!!! How many trades actually happen on draft day though? There are a million "rumors" right now and I bet 10% of them dont happen. We should all get used to the idea of either Okoye or L2.

BMGO

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"Defensive end Jamaal Anderson is falling. It had been true a week ago but is no longer true today. Seriously, one week ago nearly every team who chimed in had something negative to say about this young man. Today he's linked to at least one team in the top six and a couple others inside the top 15. "

What team could he be talking about in the top 6. (For the answer read my original posting from Glazer)

Posted by: ES via JAy Again | April 26, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Also, don't forget that Wilbon absolutely despises what a media frenzy the draft has become and all the hoopla preceding it.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

10% of them dont happen??? WTF am I trying to say...

I bet not even 10% of them happen. Sorry been BMGO

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah ES, I know Wilbon is an NFL Draft Dodger. I was just pointing it out in my usual comedic non-genius kind of way. I'd rather watch the Cardinals draft 3 times in the 7th round than watch another Wiz/Cavs game.

Posted by: SMACK | April 26, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta would take Okoye or Landry at #6, so assuming Adams is gone, we take whoever Atlanta doesn't...

Now if we drop to #9, it gets interesting. If Quinn is there, Miami has to make a move to jump Minnesota, so my guess is:
6-Quinn (Miami)
7?Landry??trade? (minnesota)
8-Landry/Okoye (Atlanta)
9-Landry/Okoye/Anderson (whoever is left)

Now, for who we take with #60 (or any 2nd round pick for that matter). I say not an OG unless Grubbs is somehow still on the board. A WR who falls wouldn't surprise given the scouting attention to Bowe. Maybe Weddle? If we draft Okoye, a DE (say Charles Johnson) wouldn't surprise me either.

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Dang, folks! #6LL- you beat me to it. I also tune in to EITM on occasion. He had some decent AM chats last season w/ Cooley.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Seems like we've been in the 47Ks an awful long time. Have we hit that 48 yet?

Posted by: SMACK | April 26, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this blog is heating up. 3-4 posts per minute on avgerage.

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

And Anderson is probably linked to Arizona if it has to be another team in the top 6....

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The post lunch rush i bet is causing this burst of posts...

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

We are going ot trade to #9 and pick up JAmal Anderson......

We've been talking about thesame people too much.....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

anybody care about nba basketball at all out there?

I know stopped watching about 10years ago, no very few who have more casual interest.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

So, Blob...you gonna kill the pods...because of what they said...about your mother? Oh...I'm sorry...WHAT?!?! The blob is very fat?!

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

NBA fan here, and although I am a die hard Bulletes fan, the Wiz will be swept and are not even worth watching.....Fortunately, these playoffs could be even better than last year, with 4 great series in the west, and 2 good ones in the east......next round will also have 2 good matchups out west, and 1 good one in the east...can't wait!

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I watch the NBA playoffs. I've become convinced the refs in the NBA conspire to keep the highly touted teams in series. I know it's paranoid, but the NBA seems like the most corrupt of the big leagues - 85 draft, Orlando getting a second 1st rounder after MJ retired so Shaq could move into the spotlight, the crooked refs... but I still watch...

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Given the choice between trading up to 4 and gettng Calvin Johnson, but losing next year's 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks, or staying at #6, what would you do?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Mugamack- nice blip on Kyle Young- I'd heard someone mention he'd be a great later round steal. Anyone know of any other O-lineman we're looking at? Definitely on the top of my list in the next year or 2.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

ES, was trying to shake things up with that Kyle Young post, but people here seem to like to talk about that first pick...

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

STAY AT 6.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I'm late, had a post lunch rush burst...what did I miss?

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins drop to #8 in a trade with Atlanta and pick up a 3rd rounder, here's who I'd pick in the 3rd:

Paul Soliai
DT | (6'4", 344, 5.1) | UTAH

Strengths: Is massive, plays with adequate leverage and can occupy multiple blockers at the line of scrimmage. Has adequate upper body strength and flashes ability to shed blocks. Shows good body control for size, wraps up upon contact and is an adequate open field tackler. Has adequate lower body strength, drives legs and flashes the ability to collapse the pocket. Shows good awareness and generally gets hands up when isn't going to get to the quarterback. Flashes the ability to change directions quickly and is capable of developing a wide array of pass rush moves. Times jumps well and blocked a kick during senior season.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Count me among NBA Fans. The Wiz are my team as well, but they are toast. They just don't have the Juice to beat the Cavs without their top 2. But hey, as skins fans we are pro's at saying 'Wait till next season'

This time we mean it.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Jon--

Same old-same old. Everyone's talking about some "draft" thing this weekend. Know anything about it? Know anything about it that hasn't already been said?

Posted by: KK | April 26, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Wizards need to get KG in the off season

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

KK - none of us KNOW anything! This is all just about killing time until Chicago accepts the Briggs trade.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm betting on the Briggs trade to still happen, so we'll be picking at 31 boys and girls. No need to discuss Okoye, Landry or anyone else

Posted by: bornskinsfan | April 26, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Who would the T-wolves take off our roster (That we'd be willing to give up) for KG?

If you say Antawn, I'm going to need to borrow jm220's hammer.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The Briggs trade will NOT happen. I keep having to tell myself that. Maybe I'll believe soon.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm confused. Are we trading with Chicago for KG? I suppose it's a better deal than that trade for Duckett but somehow Briggs would make more sense than KG.

Posted by: KK | April 26, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Haywood, Hayes & Blatche for KG

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

By my lax count we still have 150 posts to go before 48,000

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

KG would be a nice target for Soup in the red zone

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

149 left before 48,000

Landry is a pimp!

Posted by: Big Murf | April 26, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I am an all local sports team fan, save for any VA school (I don't like VA and they Don't like me).

I got tix to freakin game 4 on Monday and cannot unload them for what I sold.

I feel like I paid too much for Adam Archibingus too early and above market when I could have instead waited and got him same tix for $10. I may now have to unload these tix at half price just to save face......

NO TO LANDRY

F Tampa Bay

F Dallas

One more thing, but I'll use a new post.....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Briggs trade aint happenin'

Regarding the Wizards, I dont think anyone expected them to do anything w/o Agent Zero.

As etrod said "...next year"

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

KK-

What do you want me to say? And why target me, ha! You could say that about any media outlet related to sports...I'm sorry I didn't notice all of your fresh ideas/opinions/observations about the draft. What do you wanna do, talk about the weather!

Mugamuck is right, it's all just killing time, which is why RI is talking about the Wizards right now

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

sorry for asking this for what i'm sure is going to be the umpteenth time, but what is there to gain from the surge 50,000? i've only been reading for a few days, but i dont have access to my own teams website at work here so i have to live vicariously thru you guys and your draft banter.

i think the 'skins should take okoye, myself, even if adams is there.

Posted by: pack4life | April 26, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

How about NBA draft? Who should the Wiz take?? Acie Law if he falls to us? An inside scorer would be nice, but I doubt we'll find a wortwhile one where we sit......

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I forgot....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

pack4life-

As I've learned, the only thing to gain is some odd sense of joy that comes from throwing away hours of your life reading posts about hypothetical draft picks that none of us control or have any influence over. That, and maybe a shout-out in a web chat if you have an excellent sense of humor.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Pack - If we make 50,000 by draft day, we can bask in our awesomeness.

The Wiz should NOT give up Blatche. He's gonna be a stud. I believe Jarvis is a Free agent this season and Haywood alone will not be enough.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Jon--

Peace! I'm sorry if I seemed to target you. It was a comment about all of us, not you. And, yeah, we're all casting about for a fresh topic. Now the Wizards draft. At least it's fresh.

Posted by: KK | April 26, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Trying to catch up
Almost four hours behind
Reading my guts out

Posted by: MV Dame (26) | April 26, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Based on the respective team histories of the past 25 years, why would ANYONE watch the Cavs-Wizards series? I wouldn't watch them even if they were playing against each other in the East Finals, because sooner or later, you know one of them is going to revert to their old form and have 68 points and 35 turnovers. Even with Agent Zero vs. LeBron, both teams are just one injury away from a Lottery pick. Team ownership/management on both teams has been reliably terrible, and often cheap. I'd rather watch a hockey playoff game.

Posted by: Joe Cool | April 26, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

pack4life-

Ever go to any games up there? Thinking of taking a road trip up there in October. Is it better to stay in Milwaukee and drive up day-of-game, or get a motel room in Green Bay?

And who are you hoping the Packers take at 16?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

etrod--

I thought we could do a sign and trade with Jarvis, but who would want him. If he can't help the Wiz, who can he help?

Posted by: KK | April 26, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Again- nice, muga. I couldn't help but notice, however, the consistent use of the word "adequate" in that bit. Theoretically speaking, my scrawny @ss- while a lifeless and bloody pulp- would be an adequate blocker for CP for about .3298 seconds. Of course, they could be using this term in a completely objective manner, meaning he performs those functions well enough.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Hayes has got to go, he stinks. We basically need to replace Jamison with someone better, like KG or Gasol, then we'd have a championship team. Obviously this is just a fantasy though, as we have no young guys to trade except for Blatche. We probably can't make a move until Jamison's contract is set to expire, then deal him, some picks, and maybe even Blatche.

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Thorne is a toolbag. Schill was bleedin.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | April 26, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone watch the Cavs-Wizards series? Wagering! Can the Cavs cover a 10 point spread against a Wizards team playing for pride on their home court? THAT is drama.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I remember now.

Rumor by a few web sites states that Arthur Blank has commanded Rich MaKay to do whatever it takes to get CJ. So, that means they are out of the Landry running if they could move to #2........

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

by the way.....hockey playoffs were definitively better than the great nba playoffs last season........haven't had time to watch much hockey yet though this postseason, but am intending to start watching more this round

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about a hockey game but I agree with you cool. ESPN called it the series everyone has forgotten about. Even with King James. Now D Wade looks like he''l be gone soon. So much for the young bucks of the NBA. Cmon Duncan

Posted by: bornskinsfan | April 26, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

About to eclipse
Forty eight thousand comments
Then within two grand

Posted by: MV Dame (27) | April 26, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Update on our pace
Need 45 per hour
To reach 50K

Posted by: MV Dame (28) | April 26, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Another late round prospect who is hard to ignore:

Louis Leonard
DT | (6'4", 353, 5.25) | FRESNO STATE

Strengths: A massive DT/NT prospect with impressive height and bulk. Displays good initial quickness for his size. Is a wide-bodied defender that is capable of tying up blockers in a two-gap scheme. He displays good overall strength and the ability to anchor at the line of scrimmage. Can occasionally be effective as a pass rusher because of quickness and power. He will show the ability to occasionally drive the lineman back into the pocket with powerful bull rush move. He plays with a solid motor on the field, so long as he gets proper rest.

The scary thing is, this guy has been going up in practice against Kyle Young! Talk about a sumo match.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Jamison is averaging 29 and 12 right now. Deal him for someone better??? He's the best 3rd option in the NBA.

I feel like Lisa defending Shawn Springs right now.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me... about a day away and no one really knows what the Redskins are going to do. Gibbs sure does have the ship tightly sealed - not like in the past!

Posted by: JoeyV | April 26, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The Wizrds should just stick with their core 3 - if they can stay healthy, the Wizards should be top 4 in the East next year. KG would cost 2 of our big 3, so what is the point?

And isn't Agent Zero's blog enough of a reward? Who needs playoff victories?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I want to contribute to 50k but I can't stand anymore draft talk, hence the NBA banter.

I'd rather watch NASCAR on TV than Hockey...and I'd rather ride a bicycle without a seat than watch NASCAR on TV.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Never said better
To bask in our awesomeness
Life's greatest reward

Posted by: MV Dame (29) | April 26, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

JLC - Thorne was just repeating what he was told by Mirabelli. Mirabelli is to blame, not Thorne. I heard it live last night. When Thorne said it, Palmer questioned him and the truth behind it, but Thorne insisted that he was simply repeating what Mirabelli told him. I don't think Shill would pull something like that and I also think it was blood. I just don't think everyone should jump all over Thorne.

Posted by: Skinz | April 26, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

JoeyV-

You are amazed that no one knows what a team with the 6th pick is going to do in the NFL draft?

It's not a matter of unity within the Redskins organization, it's a result of no one knowing what the top 5 are going to do. From an entertainment standpoint, this draft is almost as interesting as last year.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

ES--

If you haven't read it, Don Banks gave a pretty good rundown of the Atlanta situation and the other trades at the top of the draft:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/04/25/trades/index.html

Bottom line: He thinks 'Skins have good trade prospects if Peterson -- collarbone and all -- is still there at #6.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Seatless bike rider
Perpetually smiling
His name is etrod

Posted by: MV Dame (30) | April 26, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Why not write haiku?
Just try to make the words fit;
Two more days to wait.

Posted by: Joe Cool | April 26, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

etrod-

Have we killed all Redskins talk?

What about the kick-return game - do you think we should pick up a return guy as an undrafted free agent or 7th rounder who could return for us? Maybe Tim Mixon out of Cal?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Master of Haikus
Echo's etrod's sentiments
MV Dame Three One

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Our 3 core guys can definitely win the East, but have no chance against any of those guys out west. We were the best team in the East before the injuries hit.....

That is why I say we should upgrade Jamison to someone who is more of a classic PF.....the pecking order of what option he is should not apply, Gasol and KG are better players. There is no way he gets traded though given his age and contract........on the bright side, if we stay healthy, the wiz are actually good! which is nice considerin those years and years of being one of the worst run teams in all of sports?

Think Grunfeld could come over and start running the Skins too?

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

It's true that the wiz need to keep Caron, 0 and Jamison. But they need to add some sort of post threat to have a chance at winning the conference AND beat a west powerhouse. Brendan Haywood and Etan Thomas are not what we need. they were offered Jamaal Magloire in a trade for Haywood and a 2nd round pick. I can't believe they didn't take it. So in summary-pick up a big man and keep the big 3 and we're gold. especially with that spanish point guard coming in next year that we drafted

Posted by: POC | April 26, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

i'll help the cause, in my own rambling, two-post way:

after years of wishing and hoping, my first packer game was the overtime playoff game vs. seattle where hasselbeck proved his own retardation. i had been to a preseason game before that after winning tix off the radio, but they don't count. i've been to three more games since then, and lambeau is by far my favorite sporting venue i've ever been to. obviously a big part of that has to be my homer-ism, but it really is a great place.

and - i'd say stay in green bay. cheaper, and the roads are backed up enough w/in town on gameday that you'll be glad you didnt spend the extra time in the car driving from milwaukee. thats time better spent either in the parking lot tailgating or strolling around the stadium.

Posted by: pack4life | April 26, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Joe Cool? Or Snoopy?
Haiku an ancient art form
Not playing with words

Posted by: MV Dame (31) | April 26, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Wizards will never be a contender so long as Abe Polin is running the show. He is a shiny black jacket and pair of Kool Moe Dee sunglasses away from being Al Davis.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Have we killed all Redskins talk?

What about the kick-return game - do you think we should pick up a return guy as an undrafted free agent or 7th rounder who could return for us? Maybe Tim Mixon out of Cal?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 02:52 PM


Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

MV not master
Title HaikuMan's alone
Me just grasshopper

Posted by: MV Dame (32) | April 26, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

So what time is too early to start drinking on Saturday morning? (if there is even such a thing as too early)

I always say noon is the ideal time to start drinking. Unless it is game day, then its whenever you wake up. So does this count as an April game day?

Posted by: Big Murf | April 26, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Cooley divorced???

GENIUS. Add letter E. to stipulations A - D for heroism above. In fact, let's make it official:

E. Realized he was a stud in the Nat's Cap, and divorced the chick in Utah for a cheerleader.

Detroit...I can see the skipping over a receiver...Cleveland...they'll be tempted to pick up CJ...Tampa - absolutely will kill for CJ at 4. That would be the greatest pick up for the bucs since Spurrie...oh...wait....

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"wow, just read 100 posts in like 4 minutes...

good morning RI hampsters!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 10:42 AM"

Inigo, your pants are on fire. I put something up this morning about 10:30 and started to catch up from there at 2:08. 41 minutes it took me to read, and I skimmed. NATE: I DESERVE ANOTHER BLOG COOKIE!

Falcons do need a receiver. If that happened, I could see:

Russell to Oakland
CJ to Atlanta
Quinn to Cleveland
Defensive Player to Tampa Bay
Thomas to Cardinals

That would work and provide a trade down opportunity for the Skins. The key is that the first pick needs to be Russell ... or at least that Russell cannot fall to the Lions. For teams to want to be at #6, there has to be a healthy competition for Quinn (Miami jumping ahead of Minnesota) or Peterson (Packers jumping ahead of Bills). This news that Peterson might not be ready till training camp increases anxiety that the trade down opportunity via Peterson might not be there (and that the #8 team would be in the catbird seat to trade down with his suitor).

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I was going to add to the above post, but my head exploded.

In Haikuman's Absence
You can be acting master
It's your time to shine

Big Murf, if you haven't started yet, you're late.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

OK, @ss hat maybe... I'm definitely not an @ss clown though.

Sorry, still a little fixated. I think only sween can free me from this dark cloud of self doubt. Thanks for the props, D7, but sween is the blog guru and I'm afraid I've offended the unwritten blog karma and caused sween to enscribe the unwritten blog code which could eventually lead to the unravelling of the fabric of the space time continuum.

Oh, God, I have to go turn the lights off 15 times, count my steps while walking bacward and chanting Hail to the redskins in Yiddish.

Where's my azaprolam????

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

POC-

Right on brotha, 100% agree with your first statement about the Wiz needing to look beyond just a crummy Eastern conference.......
I disagree, however, with your second point.....Haywood is one of theee best defensive centers in the league, and helps cover for Butler and Jamison being terrible defenders (arenas isn't great either).....Maglore is washed up, a few years ago he was good, but not anymore.

I think it was telling that when 2 of our 'big 3' were healthy, we stunk. If butler and and Arenas are truly all-stars, then those 2 alone could at least carry the wiz to an ok record with jamison....

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

pack4life-

Wow - what a game to start with. A good day to be a Packer fan.

I have never heard a bad word about Lambeau and I figure it should be perfect football weather mid-October.

Thank you for the heads-up. I'll look into Green Bay lodging.

Now how about that Packer pick at 16? Lynch is the real deal.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Thorne needs to get the heck out of Baltimore...

For starters, the guy openly roots for the other team (ooooo, Alex Cora is one of my favorites... and GOODBYE HOMERUN RED SOX... calm down, you dope! You are the Orioles announcer... you're not on ESPN anymore. Even if you don't like the home team you are ANNOUNCING for, at least pretend like you do...

Oh, and if you by chance read this, Gare, STOP talking about hockey! If the catcher blocks a ball in the dirt with his foot, please stop saying "kick save and a beauty". We all know you'd rather be doing the NHL playoffs, but can you at least pretend like you are happy to be calling a baseball game for the HOME team.

And now he brings up Schill, which is just what the O's players/coaches need to be answering questions about in the midst of a 3-game losing streak.... way to go, GARE!

GOOD BYE HOMERUN BRUINS, I mean Red Sox... just wait, it'll happen.

See, my rath travels to multiple teams...

But being an O's and Skins fan, I'm sure many can relate to the pain and torture...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It's never too early.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

DC -

Peterson dropping out of top 6? He will then be the steal of the century at 7+. Like I said, decent draft here in 07...decent draft.

Quinn (don't tell Golic) is Overrated, and potentially JR too, QB's always dicey in top 5.

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I say let Randle-El return punts and kicks. We have so little depth and so few draft picks we should use the picks on backups at other positions

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

as far as our pick is concerned: i'm lost. i originally was OK w/ just the "best RB available" line-of-thinking, secretly harboring trade-up wishes for ad.peterson. but now thompson (our GM) is apparently not sold on marshawn lynch due to his well-documented "character flaws" and could be taking anyone, following the "best player available" credo put in place by ron wolf. now they're saying possibly the do-everything FB from rutgers is their possible pick, which i think would be a shame only because they can probably get him later w/ a little posturing. they need a playmaker on offense in my opinion, take someone who will be good for years to come and can help w/ speed immediately to send brett outta here at least w/ a playoff game or two to hang his hat on.

/rambling to help random peoples' blog-ego's

Posted by: pack4life | April 26, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

As Sun in the East
Rises to the occasion
So shall I shine too

Posted by: MV Dame (33) | April 26, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

There was a young poet named Dame
Who soon haiku'd his way into fame
He hung out in blogs
With the princes and frogs
All of whom were confused by the name

Posted by: Joe Cool | April 26, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is one of my favorite Skins. Even have his jersey with a "Mothers against Drunk Driving" bumper sticker on the back of it, right Pub?

The day we let him walk because we're still visiting dead-cap-ville with the likes of Arch, Lloyd, whoever, is the day I walk away from my season tickets.

Mark it down, 4-12!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Joe Cool is too kind
Heaping many accolades
But dead-on name-wise

Posted by: MV Dame (34) | April 26, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

of course, after reading my own response above, i could just be falling victim to draftday doublespeak along w/ anyone else listening to GM's these days. i'm happy w/ lynch, tho

Posted by: pack4life | April 26, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I think the return game will be in good shape with Cartwright leading the way.

It's a dangerous proposition have ARE doing the return duties. We are a bit thin at WR, even though there are a bunch on the roster.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Marshawn Lynch comes from a rough, rough background and hasn't been able to fully escape it, growing up in Oakland and playing at Cal. Going to Green Bay could be the best thing for him. He's actually a good guy who had a bad relationship with a nightmare girlfriend. Cal people LOVE him, on and off the field.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"... I always say noon is the ideal time to start drinking.

Posted by: Big Murf | April 26, 2007 02:55 PM"

Same rules apply Saturday ... noon ... Greenwich Mean Time.

Something also tells me other teams might want in on the Lions'/Browns' chance at Quinn. I'm thinking Chicago (where Rex has solidly cemently his status as QB of exactly right now), B-more (while McNair still has some teaching years in him) and Minny (to avoid Miami's jump over them ... Tavaris Jackson ... really?).

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Let me just say that Gil and Caron going down for the Wiz was (is)like a knife in my heart (almost as bad as the possibility of losing Springs). Yes, our season is over but if we had Gil and Caron (or even ONE of them) we could have handily beat the sorry Cavs.

Blatche needs to stay with the Wiz...the kid has talent and will be great one day. In fact, there are rumors floating that the team has not been playing him much lately because they do not want other teams to see how good he is and come after him.

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

What do you mean by nighmare girlfriend??

Also, what is BFF? My mind is dirty and I can only think of one thing.....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

RB

You took that sticker to heart at every home game, right? Or was it you ordering Red Snappers in the end zone bar screaming "MUTHAAAAA F*()KAAAAAAAAAA!!!"?????

I hope you're wearing that jersey in your first mug shot.

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby - I agree that he shouldn't have brought up the Schilling comment. However, when he signed with MASN, one of the things that he said from the beginning was that he would call the game how it is. He would not be biased to the Orioles (ie root for them). Hunter/Dempsey are the ones who get paid to be the homers, not Thorne.

Ok, I'm done with baseball. Back to football.

Posted by: Skinz | April 26, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Pub Golf, you don't have to tell me that Quinn is overrated and that Russell is a potential bust (or at least, manboob), but I don't think Oakland or Cleveland can afford NOT to find out. Detroit can at least wait another year with Kitna backed up by McCown. Tampa Bay is the QB store and Arizona just got Leinart. In my mind, TB is the wild card and the team we are competing with for D players at the top. Arizona is just stupid if they don't go for Thomas -- if he's there. If he's not there, I can't see people making a play with THEM over say US if there is someone they really want.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

how bout that we get a packer fan ( and good guy too) to help get 50k.

sorry i openned the NBA thing but it got some posts toward the goal.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I'd trade with the Pats and take two first rounders for the price of one. Screw the extra 200 points. Of course, get something for them if you can. But we need depth badly and two 1's would go a long way toward that. And there'll be quality defensive linemen still available. It's not like Gibbs & Co plan on starting any rookies anyway.

Posted by: Dave | April 26, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Also - The Cavaliers suck and LeBron will be playing for Kobe in 3-4 years. We are just a Caron Butler short of 'handing' them a loss.....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

mega/dcsween

i really would get nothing done if i did all the player research you guys do,love the info and the opinions.

i will stick to my strengths (hindsight) and historical all things football and skins references.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Packer fan, do you think Favre is ready to hang it up after this season? He sure seemed that way this time two years ago, but he seems a little more into it this time. Also, do Pack people think Aaron Rodgers can play?

I read the problem with Marshawn Lynch isn't the 'character' issue (thrown up as a smoke screen), but rather the congenital disk malformation in his back.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Trek towards 50k requires some tangents, does it not? Although this borders on useless drivel - still interesting:

WORD OF THE DAY (Merriam Webster On Line)

wowser
\WOW-zer\ noun, chiefly Australian
: an obtrusively puritanical person

Who knew???

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, pack, how about that Moss/Rodgers trade? Any inside info coming from GB?

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I bet Kost52 knew! He's prob still at work but on a Friday........

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

mugamack

sorry refered to you earlier as Mega .... my bad

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

hey cheyenne

we need some cowbell

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Pub,

That's what I've been sayin'.

Except I wonder how high this CB from Howard will actually go. The Post is doing its best for him, though.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I hear ya... my heart sunk the day Caron broke his hand in Milwaukee and it fell completely out of my chest the night Gil went down...

The situation is almost like being an O's fan in the AL East. For example, each June when the Yanks and Sox pull away from the pack, I am left with the same speechless, hopeless feeling... that's kind of the way I've felt about the Wiz since the Caron/Gil injuries.

But like all analysts have said, NO team has the chance to win without their 2 best players/All-stars. Does that make me feel better... that a stroke of bad luck ruined the potential for a top 2-3 seed/ exciting bball deep into the Eastern Conference playoffs? No, it doesn't make me feel better at all. BLAME THE DARN CURSE OF LES BOULEZ, maybe?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Never enough cowbell

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

DC -

Agreed - you tend to have a LOT of holes to fill when you're drafting top 8.

But look for AP to make that podium walk between 2-5. Quinn drops out of the top 5 I think...but Chitown is a good option for him.

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Jon, I read that the Packers interest in Moss became severed from the connection to Oakland's question for a QB ... and Favre is still talking it up the Moss is in GB regardless (its a question about what Packers have other than Rodgers, hence, my question about Rodgers).

The other sick rumor is the one about Packers trying to work a trade for LJ with KC. If the Packers had Favre, Moss, AND Larry Johnson, I would move that game to the L column for the Skins right now. On D, Packers just enjoyed the luxury of having the talent to move KGB to the #3 DE. [The only thing thats weird about that is that Moss (Randy) and LJ seem like they are both gripers, which doesn't sound real GB to me.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Blog Survey - Which name is more confusing:

Asomugha
Umenyiora
Gbaja-Biamila
Ogunleye
Mugamack

Posted by: Joe Cool | April 26, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I got the fever

FOR MORE COWBELL

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Wonder how Nate's move is progressing?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

RB,

I thought we decided hoops was over 4 weeks ago? Didn't you say you were done? Are you still talking about it? Breath.

Agent 0 - MVP 08.

And if that lil b!tch Kobe ever says another effin word bout shot selection...D-BAG!!!

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Joe Cool,

Most confusing name EVER =

MV DAME

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Some anonymous fool is trying to make me paranoid! Oh, crap. I broke the rule.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

In fact, there are rumors floating that the team has not been playing him much lately because they do not want other teams to see how good he is and come after him.

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 03:12 PM

with all do respect, that is the most ridiculous post i have read in two weeks.

Posted by: c-lo | April 26, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that the Moss trade will have much of an effect on the draft, regardless though, I would like to know if a deal is still possible......

Pack could give up a 2nd round pick, and maybe something conditional depending how much Moss gripes.

I don't understand how the raiders could want Rodgers.....yeah, they saw his tapes from over 3 yrs ago, but how can they know if he is their answer at qb? He has barely been on the field for 3 years, and the Pack clearly don't like him all that much.....is he really better than a 2nd round pick? I guess this is why Oakland is a mess right now

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The manager at "Trucks By The Hour" Rental Center referred to Nate as "Captain Obvious" when Nate asked if he could rent a truck at an hourly rate.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, any insight on the Howard kid? Not a big football program, Darell went to Texas A&I, right? He worked out pretty good.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

for me it has to mugamack

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

well said c-lo, although I do like Blatche a lot......the wiz need to get him experience

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Skinz,

I hear ya. I don't want some homer who never criticizes the team. I just don't want some guy that a) openly gets excited/cheers for the other team, b) has zero baltimore ties, c) see an hockey rink everytime he looks out on the field.

I mean, I love Jim Palmer because he is a Baltimore guy and he isn't afraid to tells it like it is. Does he get a little carried away on stories about himself, yes... but you can also tell that he genuinely wants the team to win.

I understand what you're saying, but when you sit down at night with a team for 162, I need to feel like the guy calling the games is with me, not neutral or against the team.

Perfect example is Buckhantz... did you hear his call against the Raptors at home? "Nooooooo... not possible, not possible" then depressed, barely able to speak for the 5-minute OT. I could relate to that because I was feeling the same way. Maybe that makes sense or maybe it doesn't.

Pubby,

I didn't drive to FedEx once last year... but I'll be driving us from Milwaukee to GB this fall...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

4.29 40. Good smarts & character. Anybody actually see hi play?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

if the raiders had taken lineart last they ould already have a contract with cj right now.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

DCSween, no love for a slight exaggeration???

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

No takers on a DC sports topic... I mean other than the hapless 'Zards who would be the best team in the NBA if they weren't the worst on D.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

This is a versatile bunch...i hear football, basketball, baseball.

Thats a good thing.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

How many idiots passed on Leinart last year? Not just the Lions and Raiders, but all those teams who could have traded up....vikings, bucs....

Raiders would probably also have the Moss and Porter situations settled too if they took Leinart, as they wouldn't have to even think about their qb right now and explore all these options.

Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Jeebus, I blinked and am now 43 days behind. Ricky Bobby, I'm right there w/ you- my boy and I are are heading to the Yard this evening for some cheap seats and mortgaged beer. Plus, we get the added bonus of hurling mild yet stinging criticizms at far too many northeasterners.

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

A few years ago, the name 'Ifeanyi Ohalete' was butchered by announcers every game.

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

shunned like an english among the amish...

Oh, what I do for 50K.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

born;

Did you see yesterdays posts about pachomp, pachewiechewie chomp?

You aint no where. Quit lurking and keep posting!

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Charge to 50K kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-out

Posted by: D7 | April 26, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

CC,

The tough name for me has always been Sam Huff. Doesn't flow off the tongue.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers is a homegrown California boy. Born and raised there. Ended up a Cal Bear as QB after a short stint in junior college. Cal (Berkeley) is up the street from Oakland. Raiders had lots of time to scout him when Rodgers was in college, so they know all about him. Rodgers going to the Raiders would also be great PR to sell seats for a new stadium.

Posted by: J. Lowenstern | April 26, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Larry Bud, you've said something about ITA paranoia a few times today (have you been haning out with CJ, Adams, and Okoye lately?). Be assured that nothing you have ever posted here is ITA worthy. RI is a civil and courteous community of bloggers. You are solid.

Jon, given Rodgers college career, his uninjured tutelage under Favre, (and considering how Soup demonstrated that 2 years of training is not a BAD thing), if was running an offense similar to Green Bay's, I'd want Rodgers.

I need to be reminded by rookie QBs who started right away and succeeded. [Admittedly, after McNair left, I can't remember how quickly VYoung started.] It doesn't seem like you can LOSE your potential to start by riding pine for a couple of years, but on the flip side, seems like potentially great QB prospects got ruined by being flopped out too early. A couple of years as a back up trainee QB does not seem like a downside (see Schaub). Its when you go about 7 years plus that you become someone like ... Todd Collins.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

And for Cool and Born who wouldnt watch the wizards with Caron or Agenbt Zero;

Thats weak. Those two actually have given the Wiz some respectablility over the last 3 seasons, which they made the playoffs. Yet you follow the skins who have been there twice since 1992?

That just doesnt make sense. And I was really surprised they actually were within 8 at the end of the game. Makes me sad that our two stars were not in the lineup b/c it would be one GREAT series. Did you happen to catch last years and the year before. Both were great in terms of BBall.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

LJ to the packers??? interesting... this is turning into Fantasy Football hour, with all the trade scenarios being thrown out there.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

sween,

I know, I was just getting some blog fodder out of the very level-headed (as always) post wherein you cautioned against @ss clowns. I was just running with the paranoia angle.

Not that I've never hit the ganja and not that I have, just incase the feds are watching us.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I hear you too, Ricky Bobby. Overall, it just makes me sick again that the O's, as a franchise, are again in the spotlight in a negative way. I thought we'd be out of it after that whole Palmerio/Sosa steriod sh*t.

But, as long as we take tonight's game from Boston, I'll be over it.

Posted by: Skinz | April 26, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Sweet! A Todd Collins slam! dcsween, you never cease to amaze me!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

how come the post count is stuck at 236 according to the RI front page???

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

D7,

You're heading to Fenway Park at Camden Yards tonight, huh? Good luck with that, my friend.

At this point, I refuse to go to games against Boston or NY because they just make me angry. Give me a Toronto or KC game... don't give me 30k fans yapping in my ear about "driving down in their Cahhh to cheer for Big Pahhhhhpi" on a Wednesday.

Last night was bad, but I guess just be thankful it's not a weekend game. The Orioles should have to wear their grey away uniforms on Fri-Sun games against Boston or NY at home.

It's tragic. And that's why I always b@tch about tickets and FedEx. There are times where it does seem like you're at the Linc or Giants Stadium.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, J-La, for that guy to say Schill wasn't bleeding, and it wasn't blood on his sock, makes him the biggest tool.
If this was TRUE, which it is not, its been 3 years since this happened, why not announce this a little sooner.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 26, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Mark Rypien was a great example of the benefits of a young QB riding pine. Of course, there is no chance Gibbs would do it any other way after that success (as everyone saw with Campbell).

Posted by: Joe Cool | April 26, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Inigo, when I just jumped out and back in, it was up to 400. You have to refresh once you're there, otherwise your browser will show you the cache from the last time you were there.

That LJ rumor was floated on profootballtalk.com (and has since been squashed there too). Still, it is a sick one ... I'm guessing the problem would involve paying anybody else OTHER than R. Moss and L.J. to play.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I'm not sure, but if I was a betting man I would think that Thorne was talking about a hockey fight between the Rangers and Sabres... blood obviously came up in that dicussion.... then he sees Schill out there on the mound... and the rest, they say, is history.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

406 now... thanks dcsween

Posted by: Ingio Montoya | April 26, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

You have to hit "Refresh" to update the count if your browser prefs aren't set correctly.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

When we hit 417 on this thread we'll be at 48,100 exactly. 1900 to go. As of right this minute, we need to average 44.40 comments per hour to reach our goal...

Posted by: MV Dame (35) | April 26, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

RB - How bout an Indians series? I thnk that's perfect. I don't usually want to fight them, but I hate them enough after 94-97 clashes. What are you doing May 6th?

Lets
Go
O's

Lets
Go
O's

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here is the .40 for this hour.

Posted by: Joe Cool | April 26, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Capisce?

Posted by: MV Dame (36) | April 26, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Is there a way to view the chat from eariler today? How?

If not, what was discussed, anything new or interesting? And sorry if this was already discussed, but there is too many posts to read through, I was scimming through but decided to jump to the bottom.

Posted by: gethanr13 | April 26, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Does that include the graveyard shift?

NAte and Kost52 - MAybe you guys can act like 20 diff peeps and do some carazy posting......

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

May 6 I'll be bent over a turlet bowl, not at the Yard. HAGO

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 26, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Rock Cartwright does the KO returns with Thrash as back up as I recall.

ARE does punt returns although I'm hoping someone like say a coach told him to please stop running in the wrong direction first.

Posted by: sfskin | April 26, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

These are my handful of posts maybe until Monday as I'm off to the wedding shortly.

Don't put anything past Al Davis. I wouldn't be remotely surpised if he turned around and drafted Thomas to shore up the o-line.

Posted by: sfskin | April 26, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

gethanr13 - Don't worry, you only missed the normal stuff. Talk about Okoye, Landry, Adams, trade down, etc.

Then we moved on to a mix of basketball (Wiz dreadful woes continue), baseball (thorne and the bloody sock), and more mock drafts.

Oh, there is a GB fan amongst us...and now a few are commenting on LJ, R. Moss, and Favre possibly playing on the same team. I know, isn't that insane?

Other than that, same old sh*t...

Posted by: CC | April 26, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I get really excited when ARE touches the ball. He is Lightnin in a bottle. Not only that, but when he catches a PR, it means the D actually got a stop!!!

Oh - A lot of talk at DE and DL today, as well as some Landry shouts...but Springs ABSOLUTELY needs assistance at CB - he's only got 9-11 weeks in that body this year...tops.

Posted by: Pub Golf | April 26, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely the best thing about this year's draft is going to be not having to listen to Mel Kiper's backtracking BS and Chris Berman's "Stupid Nickname Tricks".

Thank you, NFL Network.

Posted by: Joe Cool | April 26, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

sween

the qb thing depends on the team and situation. The ones who play right away but play for teams that have really bad o lines and no weapons or like one weapon that can be take away, seem to get killed and then the debate is did they get killed and throw three times as many int's to td's because of the situatuion or do they just suck. Lots of times they just suck.

its just so hard to play qb, but you can tell which ones have feel for the game. and which ones don't, its almost as simple as the look on thier face durring the game if you see the dear in the headlights at any point you can bet that that kid is not going to make it, unless his hands become attached to a clip board and he trades his helmet for a headset.

Posted by: Old School | April 26, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

happy hour at PIVS double el

Posted by: bornskinsfan | April 26, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Nate - I think we should pursue the 50k t-shirt idea with all the peeploggers sweating it out I think we'd have some takers.

Idea recapped:
Don Quixote in a fubol helmet tilting at a PC with RI on the screen. (Not sure who Pancho should be.) Somewhere printed on the shirt is "50k by Draft Day! Done!"
or
"I BMOG for 50k by Draft Day and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."

Posted by: sfskin | April 26, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

1

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 26, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

If Detroit trades with Atl who the hell does Detroit draft?

Posted by: sfskin | April 26, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

BTW I'm so proud of us all coked up hamsters and our ridiculous majestically inane quest.

We really should bask in our own awesomeness.

Posted by: sfskin | April 26, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

First time poster...perennial viewer.
Nate this is for you. You're not the only fan in Stumptown. You make me proud.

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Okay I really must go. Missing the plane to DC because of RI . . . well it doesn't even SOUND cool. : )

Posted by: sfskin | April 26, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"But I am afraid the Skin's front office is too inconmpetent when it comes to negotiating."

-M

Whatever gave you such a silly notion?


Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 12:49 PM


Larry Bud, you are kidding, right? Somehow I sense a hint of sarcasm in your question.

Posted by: M | April 26, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I'm not sure that Matt Millen has gotten that far yet. They only think ONE step ahead of the one they're on.

Posted by: Greg(boston) | April 26, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

hi are you cool i am, i am so beautiful i forgot what my name is can you tell me? im sorry i am kind of freaky do you know old i am im 19 do you like to play pub golf i like it!sorry i forgot i am so beautiful oh yeay i already said that. bye

Posted by: cha chi | April 26, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I leave you with this thought and pep talk.

You guys are SUPER smart and BYOG up here. Keep it up. You are all character guys. Core Insiders. And when we are old and gray and sitting by the fire and the young ones turn to us and say where were you the day they hit 50k you can say we few, we happy few, we band of bloggers. We made it.
God speed. Good luck. I know you can make it. . . . and here's the final thought . . .

Posted by: sfskin | April 26, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Ross of Texas plays CB and can return punts/kickoffs, if the Redskins want to get really dopey on draft day after trading down a time or two. It might piss off the Cowboys also.

I have a strange feeling that Springs is gone by this weekend, and definitely no later than June.

Posted by: Joe Cool | April 26, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

. . . . not intended as a jinx but as an exhortation . . .

Posted by: sfskin | April 26, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

100k by Opening Day!

Posted by: sfskin | April 26, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

sfskin has killed the blog

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

FYI everyone. "cha chi" is a friend of mine, not spam. I asked her if she wanted to help out with the drive by posting a little something and she jumped at the chance.

Pub Golf, sorry, but she's actually only 8-years-old...

Posted by: MV Dame (36) | April 26, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Would it be easier on all of you if I just typed in megamuck each time?

I always just assumed MV Dame was a fan of Mill Valley, CA.

Does anyone know the exact time Oakland must make the first pick? I know draft coverage starts around noon, ET, but not sure how much pre-draft coverage there is.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

muga, mega, I'm on Martha's Vineyard. And Dame is short like Nate is short. Big Notre Dame fan so that was my inspiration.

Posted by: MV Dame (37) | April 26, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse


By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

In a deal that locks up one of their standout young defensive ends long-term, the New Orleans Saints on Thursday reached agreement with five-year veteran Charles Grant on a new seven-year contract.

The monster deal for the left end could be worth as much as $63 million over the course of the seven years, league sources told ESPN.com, and it includes $20 million in guarantees. That includes an initial signing bonus and also a guaranteed option bonus due next spring.

Posted by: Joe Cool | April 26, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

People were asking why I said Marshawn Lynch had a nightmare girlfriend. Word out of the Bay Area is that he broke up with a woman and she retaliated by making up an assult and reporting it to the police.

From today's SF Chronicle:

"At the beginning of the year, a woman claiming to be Lynch's ex-girlfriend accused him of domestic and sexual assault. NFL decision-makers also discovered that a gunman fired on Lynch's car while he waited to attend his sister's high school graduation in North Oakland. Then, buzz swirled about a back injury.

Each piece of gossip has been put to rest.

Charges were never filed regarding the alleged assault as prosecutors cited a lack of evidence and inconsistencies in the accuser's story. Lynch's mother received a phone call 20 minutes after the shooting, apologizing and saying the bullets weren't meant for her son. This week, the Green Bay Packers' medical staff cleared Lynch of a possible congenital disc abnormality in his lower back."

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Sit on this draft conspiracy theory

There never was a Briggs Deal! Chicago just wanted to test the interest in Briggs and the Skins wanted to scare other teams into trading for the 6th pick. That's why Chicago asked for Rocky. That way the trade could be squashed and neither team looks like the lying story tellers that they are.

just my 2 cents
I haven't posted in a long time.

Posted by: the don | April 26, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I hope they start picking at 12 EST... Thats 11am my time and I have to leave for Kansas City for a wedding at 1pm...

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

RE: Green Bay Vs. Houston

Way too many posts ago, but stay in Green Bay - My ex is from Green Bay and I saw the last 'Skins - Packers game at Lambeau - (or next to last, anyway) - Way too much traffic on the road from MKE and there is something to be said for walking to Lambeau and spending your time in Green Bay.


Re: the pick - let's not give the front office any ideas, dont trade up to get the WR. What, in fact is the famed "Redskins Football" that we have been hearing about? Strong running game with timely passing. In the glory days, we had Monk, Clark and Sanders as our primary targets. We didn't have a Jerry Rice or a Tim Brown, and did fine. How many Super Bowl teams, absent the 49ers have had that big stud wide receiver that everybody seems to drool about? Not too many. Many teams do well with 2 or 3 above average guys at WR. It's the great runnning backs, the great quarterbacks and the great defenses that we remember about Super Bowl teams.

Go with defense, that's where we need the improvement.

Posted by: John D in Houston | April 26, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and cload, if you're paying attention, I'm using cha chi's post as one of my own.

Posted by: MV Dame (38-39) | April 26, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me - Green Bay vs. Washington
been down here way too long

Posted by: John D in Houston | April 26, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

the don - Other than a team who likes to make a big splash (Redskins), what other team would want a disgruntled linebacker who could potentially be a product of "the system"?

Posted by: Skinz | April 26, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Mugamack an Indian casino in Connecticut?

Posted by: B. Greenstein | April 26, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The mock draft on msnbc now projects that Gibbs will go with Gaines Adams. This seems far fetched if Okoye is still available.

They also say that the Raiders are looking at Johnson...wonder how that pick would play out?

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The Draft starts at Noon. Oakland will be 'On the Clock' at Noon. This means they have 15 mins from noon to make a pick. The #6 pick should come up around 2pm. Everyone at the draft party with me will be dissapointed because the Skins traded down. I doubt Gibbs will come to the party because of this, unless he comes in around 11 am or so........

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Say, any of you carrot snappers know where I can get some sushi?

Posted by: daveb 55 | April 26, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

MV Dame - That was the 6th time I remember you having to explain your name. Most of the time its because one of the fellows thought you were a female. LMGO!!

And I just realized after the 6th time what MV stood for?? LMGO again!!

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

In 11th grade chemistry, Sean Taylor failed his test on the periodic table beacuse he only knows the element of surprise.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the tips on Green Bay John.

Looks like the Hilton Garden Inn in Green Bay is close to Lambeau and gets good reviews. Also close to bars.

Now i just have to find a way to get in touch with that guy who takes his RV to all of the Redskins away games, figure out where we'll be tailgating.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

daveb55, welcome back and thanks for pitching in for the the RI 50k. Try the place on I Street btwn 19th & 20th, NW. The name eludes me right now, but its run by the guy who used to be the head chef of Sushi-Ko.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

In high school, Sean Taylor was voted most likely to mame a punter.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Kaz Sushi Bistro

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

That Mike Vick, he's a classy guy...

EVIDENCE MOUNTS OF DOG FIGHTING ON VICK PROPERTY

There is more and more evidence that a "palatial" Virginia house owned by Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was the storage site for dogs used in illegal fighting activities.

Per WAVY-TV, authorities "found 70 dogs on the property," most of which were pit bulls. Per the report: "Some had injuries and scars. Many were malnourished."

Also found on the property was a "rape stand," which is used to tether a female dog so that male dogs may have easy access to the female for breeding.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 26, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Brilliant post, etrod - that would make a great first commercial in a marketing campaign for the Redskins. Get the guy from the Miller High Life commercials to do the voiceover.

I hope The Danny is reading.

But he's probably busy having people kicked off of extremeskins.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor will be checking in on RI soon because 50,000 posts mean 50,000 chances to maul a wide receiver.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I had to file for an extension, but when Sean Taylor sends in his taxes, he sends blank forms and includes only a picture of himself, crouched and ready to attack. Sean Taylor has not had to pay taxes, ever.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Maybe JLaC should take a break from reading all of these posts and post a new topic of his own - we need some fresh info to drive the push to 50k.

I'm worried about the overnight posts with this need for 50 posts an hour. The other night I was posting solo for a solid hour. Not good for one's sanity.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

After Peyton Manning started figuring out the defensive calls to make on-field adjustments, Grilliams changed to have Sean Taylor make the calls. Sean Taylor can speak braille.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Mock drafts are mostly mental masturbation for wannabe sportswriters who don't have the street cred to be hired as members of a professional football organization. They all hope to strike it rich by making that one-time lightning-in-a-bottle draft prediction. Set up a web site, throw out a mock draft, and update it every week for three months - you are bound to get something right eventually.

If you line up all the mock drafts, you can find just about every top player listed with every team that has a top draft pick (or a team with the means and will to trade up for a top draft pick).

"With the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th pick in the draft, the Redskins select: JaMarcus Russell, Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams, Amobi Okoye, Jamaal Anderson, LaRon Landry, Joe Thomas, Alan Branch."

Did I miss anyone?

Posted by: The Mole | April 26, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

" ... "With the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th pick in the draft, the Redskins select: JaMarcus Russell, Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams, Amobi Okoye, Jamaal Anderson, LaRon Landry, Joe Thomas, Alan Branch."

Did I miss anyone?

Posted by: The Mole | April 26, 2007 04:51 PM "

Yes, Vinny's guy ... Jeff Smardjzija.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Mole, you missed Brady Quinn - he's my prediction to go in the 6th spot, but it won't be to the Redskins.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

FYI, I think all of this Alan Branch buzz about him sucking wind, and not being tight, and no desire, smells like a whole lot of misinformation. My guess is he doesn't make it out of the top 10. Let's see.

Posted by: The Governor | April 26, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

During the off season, Sean Taylor lives in a small village in outer Mongolia where 'Sean Taylor' roughly translates to 'Santa Claus'

Incedentally, mongolian children are terrified of Santa Claus.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Definitely need a new thread for the evening, cuz my computer at home is slooooooow, and I won't be able to post as much.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor never retreats, he just attacks to the opposite direction

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Takeru Kobayashi can eat 54 hot dogs in 6 minutes.

Sean Taylor can eat Takeru Kobayashi in 4 minutes.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It is widely publicized that Jamarcus Russell can throw a football over 60 yards. Sean Taylor can throw Jamarcus Russell even further.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The Draft officially starts at Noon but the clock never starts on time. Maybe it will start by 12:10 this year. Every team has a max of 15 minutes, but the stage drama can take a minute or two for every pick. Also, some teams pick fast and don't use all of their allowed time. If you don't turn the draft show on until 2:00 PM, you will miss seeing the Redskins pick live - they will probably make their pick at around 1:30. Best bet - with so much up in the air this year due to Oakland picking first, turn the draft show on at Noon to avoid missing all the fireworks.

Posted by: Official Timekeeper | April 26, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

If Todd McShay is right, the Redskins probably won't have to worry about Gaines Adams being on the board at #6, and if he is, they'll still have a shot at CJ:

Assuming QB JaMarcus Russell is the top overall pick by the Raiders, the most dramatic 15 minutes of the 2007 draft will occur when Detroit goes on the clock with pick No. 2.

The most recent information I'm getting is the Lions have basically boiled it down to two options. Their top priority is to trade out of the second pick, acquire additional selections and select the best available prospect (ideally Clemson DE Gaines Adams) with their new pick later in the first round.

If they can't strike a reasonable deal, Georgia Tech WR Calvin Johnson becomes the choice. He is the top overall prospect on their value board, the Lions are prepared to deal with the criticism that likely would come with selecting Johnson, since they have drafted three first-round wide receivers in the past four drafts. It's a tough pill to swallow, but GM Matt Millen would be making the right choice.


Drafting OT Joe Thomas or Adams would indicate that Millen is being affected by outside influences. The team has just as big of a need at wide receiver as it does at offensive tackle or defensive end, so passing on the best player in this year's class because he's a wide receiver makes no sense. Plus, there's always the possibility of a team contacting Detroit for a post-pick trade involving the rights to Johnson -- a la Eli Manning for Philip Rivers in 2005.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor's tears can cure cancer. Too bad Sean Taylor never cries.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Mugamack - That was atleast 5 post in there buddy......

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Leading Antibacterial Products kill 99.98% of all germs, Taylor Kills 100% of whatever he wants.

Posted by: Skins@Jax | April 26, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

mugamack, Matt Millen is PRAYING someone makes him an offer for that #2 pick so he doesn't have to use it and pick CJ.

He is also praying that Sean Taylor is not Lions fan.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

When Sean Taylor raises one finger before the opposing club snaps the ball, he is not signaling a play to his teammates, he's telling the QB how many seconds he has left to live.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor's smile can bring a dead man back to life. Ironically, Sean Taylor only smiles after he kills someone.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Out for the night ladies and gents... good luck in BYGO tonight!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry my posting numbers have fallen off during the big quest, but work has been a b**** lately. I think I will take this pre-draft week off next year.

Posted by: The Mole | April 26, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor once sneezed on a tractor trailer. That truck is now known as Optimus Prime.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Four out five dentists recommend sugar free gum for their patients who chew gum.

Sean Taylor recommends that both dentists and their patients punt the ball and not even THINK about trying to run with it.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey - Did you guys see that the Dems got through a timetable on Iraq?

Maybe my step brother can home early......

F Bush
F Cowboys
T Texas (except for John in Houston)

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Whenever LaCanfora is this quiet for this long, bad Redskins news is brewing.

Posted by: The Mole | April 26, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if someone answered this and I missed it - does anyone know what time Oakland makes the first pick on Saturday?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Mugamuck - Look up about 15 mins ago. And I answered right after you asked.....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Remember this time last year when the only thing Redskins fans were thinking about was 1 to 3 three years for Sean Taylor?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

mugamegamackmuck, first pick by noon:15, second by noon:30, third by noon:45, 4th by 1:00, 5th by 1:15, Skins by 1:30 (or, at least, we find out who was willing to trade up for the Skins' pick by then).

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The Draft starts at Noon. Oakland will be 'On the Clock' at Noon. This means they have 15 mins from noon to make a pick. The #6 pick should come up around 2pm. Everyone at the draft party with me will be dissapointed because the Skins traded down. I doubt Gibbs will come to the party because of this, unless he comes in around 11 am or so........

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 04:37 PM

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The Draft officially starts at Noon but the clock never starts on time. Maybe it will start by 12:10 this year. Every team has a max of 15 minutes, but the stage drama can take a minute or two for every pick. Also, some teams pick fast and don't use all of their allowed time. If you don't turn the draft show on until 2:00 PM, you will miss seeing the Redskins pick live - they will probably make their pick at around 1:30. Best bet - with so much up in the air this year due to Oakland picking first, turn the draft show on at Noon to avoid missing all the fireworks.

Posted by: Official Timekeeper | April 26, 2007 05:03 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

thanks ES

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Then the legal system came to it's senses.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

back from my break between shifts. how's the 50k comin' along

yeah, favre's into it. i'm more sold on that than i was last year, for sure. you end your season w/ 4 wins in a row, ya tend to be a liiil more optimistic

i stayed in a crappy hotel and went to a crummy stripclub the night before a cold, semi-boring lions game. i still loved it. green bay is my mecca (i've lived all over the state, tho) and i can't wait to go back. i'll be checkin this-here blog when we play ths skins to see your thoughts on the stadium/game, markin it on my calendar right now

i think the packers are arrogant enough in some ways to pick up lynch/moss/LJ regardless of the "trouble" tags they potentially carry, for whatever reason(s). we'll pick up whoever, if they'll help the team. "we're the packers - they'll behave here. just you watch." ex: koren robinson

its good to hear that about lynch though. i check out a bay-area blog sometimes, too, and they seem to echo those sentiments. imho tho, forget rodgers. i can throw an out better than him. he's OK to ride the bench as a security blanket for now, spot duty- whatever, but hand him the reins? PLEASE LORD NO.

first i've heard about LJ. almost gave me a b*ner. we'll see!

Posted by: pack4life | April 26, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

In wide receiever terminology, ITA means Is Taylor Around?

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

ES, how do you get from noon to 2pm with 6 teams picking? I could see the Skins picking before 1:30 (b/c other teams maybe don't use their 15 minutes) but where do the other half hour come from? Is this one of those tricky loco mullin questions?

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Before Sean Taylor became a Redskin, his position had been known only as 'Safety'. Now it will forever be known as 'Danger'.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Jon, etrod and I have been Sean Tayloring our guts out, but THAT one is awesome, esp. b/c Sean Taylor can play free danger and strong danger interchangably.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Rumors are around that the Broncos want to trade up and grab Johnson and works out a deal with Texas to get in position? Al Davis hates the Broncos? Al Davis is undecided who to pick? Oakland needs lots of picks to rebuild their offense? How about this -

Davis makes a deal with Atlanta to swap #1 picks. Oakland gets a bunch of extra picks to move down to #8. Atlanta selects Calvin Johnson. Millen freaks out and selects Gaines Adams at #2. Cleveland takes Quinn at #3. Tampa Bay trades the #4 pick + rights to Jake Plummer + a 2nd round pick to Oakland for the #4 pick. Oakland selects Russell. Arizona quickly selects Thomas at #5.

Now the Redskins are on the clock at #6 with Landry, Okoye, Branch and Anderson all still available. The Broncos got screwed out of Johnson and are sitting at #10, now hoping for Okoye to fall to them. Maybe Buffalo or Green Bay still want Peterson. Vinny's head explodes. Snyder is screaming. Gibbs is praying.

It should be fun on Saturday. Spin City for lots of teams.

Posted by: The Mole | April 26, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

500

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Free Saftey is a clever ruse to lure in unsuspecting Wide receivers seeking refuge from Sean Taylor.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Sween - I stand corrected. 1pm is prob more accurate. Having marital issues while trying to stay focus on the goal of 50K.

I won't let a marriage break up our hopes of 50K!!

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

My last post of the day...

BYGO night shifters!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 26, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The democrats resolution is dead in the water. Bush will certainly veto it and the dems dont have the votes to overturn the veto.

But Sean Taylor can overturn the capitol building anytime he wants

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

^i like that scenario, seeing as how it mentions "green bay" and "peterson" in the same sentence. not to mention it'd make for good tv. mel kiper's head would explode, but his hair would oddly stay perfectly intact...

and i like sean taylor on my teams in madden, so i'll join in: i hear he doesnt read. he stares down books until they give him the information he wants.

Posted by: pack4life | April 26, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Pack4life must be having some ED isssues about now

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Keep up the Sean Tayloring...It's killing me.
I can stop looking around wondering if he won't magically appear and take me out for good.

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I won't let a marriage break up our hopes of 50K!!

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 05:31 PM

Whoever said love is priceless never got divorced in Texas.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I am sure it has beaten to death, but having Okoye and Griffen with Goldy mixed in at the DT spots for the Skins could be huge. As a DC native who moved to Jax a few years back, I did not appeciate what 2 stud tackles meant till I started watching Stroud and Henderson maul O-lines for the Jags. Not that Grif and Okoye will compare right away but it is amazing what 2 great tackles can do for a defense. Just food for thought in the run for 50K.

Posted by: Skins @ Jax | April 26, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

If I would have known child support would be so much i would have had one of those kids on TV that only cost 89 cents a day.

At least that way I get a new pair of shoes or a soccer ball anytime I want

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Its no coincidence that Sean Taylor never liked Adam Archuleta. Archuleta was a personal punt protector. Sean Taylor dislikes punters, and dislikes their personal protectors more.

After a Sean Taylor hit, a punter is unable to kick again in the same game. Repeat, cannot reboot. Not even Cntrl+Alt+Delete.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

What have been the best DT duo's in the ESPN era?

Posted by: Skins@Jax | April 26, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Assuming DT stands for Dirty Tramps I would have to say Paris Hilton and Christina Aguilera

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Stroud and Henderson are definitely monsters - they make every DE they work with look better. (McCray is a good example of that.)

As I think Old School has said here often - Manley, Butz, Grant and Mann. A great defensive line is a beautiful thing.

Posted by: The Mole | April 26, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Sean taylor was on a flight to France when the plane had to be turned around.

The french surrendered before he got there

GO SKINS

**been in meetings all day--trying to help the 50K cause**

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

... "With the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th pick in the draft, the Redskins select: JaMarcus Russell, Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams, Amobi Okoye, Jamaal Anderson, LaRon Landry, Joe Thomas, Alan Branch."

But none of them are able to crack the starting lineup.

Posted by: SMACK | April 26, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Skins@Jax sounds like Catn Obvious to me since that tandem is in J'ville

Cheyenne - Yeah I know, but atleast its a glimmer. The sad reality is we'll be there for years....

Posted by: ES | April 26, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

This may or may not be good news for the Redskins -

TURNER RE-SIGNS WITH CHARGERS

Adam Caplan of Scout.com reports that San Diego Chargers running back Michael Turner has re-signed with the team. He has signed his one-year, $2.35 million tender offer...

As we see it, Turner's not going to get any more than $2.35 million in 2007; all he can do at this point is try to maximize what he'll make in 2008. The only way to do that is to fully commit to the Chargers for the coming season.

Of course, it also could be that the Chargers are close to working out a trade for Turner, since Turner has to sign the tender offer as a precursor to any trade.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Posted by: The Mole | April 26, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't like this deal:

The Redskins are very anxious to move up to the No. 2 spot and draft receiver Calvin Johnson but they simply don't have enough ammunition to get it done. The most recent reports have a variety of packages that include veteran cornerback Shawn Springs and a first-round pick next year.


http://blog.mlive.com/lionsinsider/2007/04/redskins_are_anxious_but_keep.html

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Have no fear ES...

the boys and girls will be home by the end of next year. The democrats just sewed up the election in '08.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

+1 post count for us!!

Posted by: KCskinfan | April 26, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Jason La is up to right about now?

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, i am going fishing this weekend instead of watching the draft as i normally do.....my friend has a timewarner cable phone so we will see if we get ESPN on it in the sticks.....

i am hoping for Alan Branch.

Guy is huge, beefy and will allow Sean Taylor to come free on blitzes etc. As he takes up to OL in the middle.

Posted by: KCskinfan | April 26, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

KC, you like Branch at #6?

I'm not sure I like Branch at #16... but you may be right - he's got the frame for the NFL.

But I'd be happier with trading down, Anderson at 9, Carricker at 12, or Moss in the 20's and drafting a big boy like Louis Leonard in the late rounds.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Shawn Springs seems like he's ready for a monster season.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/03/22/VI2007032201658.html

Pay him his money.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Why did I think the draft started at 11:00 am? Maybe if they didn't advertise their pre-draft coverage as real-draft coverage then I'd know what I was talking about. That changes all my numbers in the race for 50K.

Please hold the line for my updated computations...

Posted by: MV Dame (40) | April 26, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the trade-up scenarios are anything more than a diversionary tactic. Everyone expects the Redskins to do something crazy so they are just playing the part. It makes everything look "normal" while they plan something else in the background. If it drives up the ultimate price for some other team trying to move up, then "oh well".

The comments by the Lions fans were pretty funny. I guess it's that way for every team that finishes low and drafts high.

A final thought - how will Springs feel about playing here after he has been rumored to be trade bait or cut for the past four months? It's hard to imagine his attitude will be very good if he stays.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

That last item was mine, as I head out to play in traffic.

Posted by: The Mole | April 26, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Saw JLC on WaPo live talking 'skins draft, and thought he was spot on with his comments. I have been critical of JLC's blogging sometimes in the past, but I give him credit here - I totally agree with everything he said.

Highlights:
Why trade away picks to chase one player that they think is going to fix everything?

What is the Briggs deal all about??? They have other glaring needs, and have Rocky groomed to step in to the same posish. WTF?!

Okoye, Okoye, Okoye.

Posted by: Rennypolis | April 26, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I think NFL Network is beginning official coverage at 11 am Eastern. I'm guessing 1:28 for the announcement that the Redskins have traded down.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

mugamack

from your mouth to God's ear.

lets trade down ad grab a couple of studs to get this thing going.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

If you watch that clip with JLaC and Springs, he seems hurt/annoyed to be the subject of trade talks, but resigned to the prospect of being moved and firm in his desire to not take less money.

Seems like a stand-up guy. Would be nice if he'd renegotiate for an incentive laden rich contract that dpended on him staying healthy, but Danny would have to make it pretty rich for Springs to move off of the deal he already has.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

ES, I was not trying to give hype or credit to the 2 guys on the Jags. They are obviously beasts and if you don't think so watch them in a game sometime. I was just making the point that having 2 guys control the inside on the D-line makes your whole defense more effective. I am a die hard Redskins fan who now lives in Jax and go to the games down here and see those 2 dominate the line in every game.

Posted by: Skins@Jax | April 26, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I can see it from both sides...

The Skins signed the contract they should honor it

But with Springs being banged up and not able to help the team should do it for the good of the team.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

For those that know who my employer is, you'll know that I just did something extraordinarily blasphemous: I bought a MacBook. It is black, it is beautiful, and I am happier than a pig in crap.

Figured I'd throw in a non sequitur to help us get to 50,000.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else vrery skeptical of the comparisons between Okoye and Sapp?

I never heard much about Okoye during his college career, and he doesn't seem to have a mean streak like Sapp. None of his highlight films show the kind of explosive pursuit Sapp showed in his early years.

If we pick him, I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

what if Sean Taylor pulled a Luca Brazzi with Shawn Springs (ala THe Godfather) to get the contract renegotiated.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Mugamack, re: trading up for CJohnson:

It will never happen - you heard it here first. All part of the draft gamesmanship.

In fact, it is a sign that the 'skins are taking the draft more seriously that they are putting out so much misinformation about what they are doing.

Doesn't anyone notice that the 'skins have put out at least three separate "news items" saying they are interested in Johnson, Landry, AND Okoye?

Only one pick, so they can't take all three, fellow fans. Most of that is misinformation in an attempt at stirring the pot for trading DOWN.

They either trade down OR pick Okoye. You read it here.

Posted by: Rennypolis | April 26, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Don't be disappointed if they don't trade down...it takes two (or three) to make a trade happen. Not sure if any other team is as munificent with draft picks as the 'Skins.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Has someone set up an ESPN draft game for the hamsters to join in?

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Springs shouldn't have to take less money. The Skins are getting into this dirty habit of giving fat contracts to garbage players from other teams and trying to lowball guys that have played their guts out (sorry, couldn't help myself) for this franchise. If there is any truth to trading the 2008 1st rounder and Springs to move up 4 spots I will be very upset. That said I don't think even our FO is that stupid. Get this draft going so I don;t have to be persistently annoyed by these assinine rumors.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I pretty much only see it from Shawn Springs' side. The Redskins knew they werrre gambling on Springs when they signed him. He played like the best corner in the league when he was healthy. He led the team in SACKS when he was healthy. Then he got hurt, and the team rushed him back.

I'd love if he re-do the deal in a way that gives the Skins cap relief and gives Springs the chance to earn even more (and not just in far off years that are bound not to be honored).

But if The Redskins can't make an offer sweet enough, I think Springs is in the right to ask for the money the Skins agreed to pay him or wait to be traded or cut - he is still marketable and could earn a big signing bonus if he were a free agent.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I still think no matter what happens the Skins will be much better. I think last year they bought into the hype and never got off the ground.

This year they are going to have the proverbial "chip on their shoulder" and with the NFC east ripe for the pickings, they will get it done.

GO SKINS

***or they will lose almost every game***

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

muga, that Springs video is a little dated. That was before silly season in FA started if I remember correctly, like back when the Skins were still trying to make the Dre Bly deal, maybe even before Samuel got tagged, definitely before Nate Clements hit the jackpot. The math about Springs' salary (and how it is actually now a higher value deal from the SKins' perspective) has to have changed by now.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

BTW, got a chance to see Spidey 3. I (heart) this movie. I loved Superman Returns, mostly because Superman is my favorite superhero (by far) and because Superman I and II were my babysitters growing up (yeah, we had a VHS thingy back then). Bryan Singer is one of my favorite big bidget directors in Hollywood, and the new kid, Brandon Routh, is one of the nicest, most down to earth people I've ever met down there.

That said, even I have to admit that the Spidey franchise kicks the Superman franchise's butt. Spidey 3...well, it's worth paying $10 for on opening night.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, the players on the field matter, so don't construe what I say as otherwise...

But luck and injuries play a huge part in the deal. The NFL is a worst to first League...the 'Skins could very well end up 10-6 or 11-5 and go deep in the playoffs. With or without Springs, Okoye, Landry, or whomever.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Is Spiderman 3 paying for viral marketing now?

I thought it was just Bogle Old Vine.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I am a die hard Redskins fan who now lives in Jax and go to the games down here and see those 2 dominate the line in every game.

Posted by: Skins@Jax | April 26, 2007 06:19 PM

Sure as hell didn't dominate us in the game last year 36-30. But you're right, I'd love to have 2 DT's like that on our squad.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The NFL has always been a "what have you done for me lately" league.

Everyone knows that. If him restucturing will give his team a better chance at giving him a better supporting cast then why not.

I say that knowing I only have two dollars in my pocket

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Springs has been hurt for 2 years. When he is healthy he is their best cover corner. The operative word being WHEN. Right now they do not have a consistent, or even effective cover corner. This is a flaw that many teams have exploited. If Springs plays that weakness is less pronounced.

The need at least 3 cover corners who can cover the leagues best for 16 games. They have less than 3/4 of a cover corner. That represents Springs and the good games from the others. DRAMATIC improvement is required.

Posted by: periculum | April 26, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

dcsween-

It was the most recent video on Springs I could find. The guy isn't doing a lot of press lately.

When you say the math has changed, do you mean Springs' deal looks more reasonable now, given how much other teams are paying for corners?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

All right... (Alright, Cyn Cyty?)... here's the deal:

We need to hit 50,000 by 12:00 noon on Saturday, when the actual draft begins, not the pre-draft coverage. The time right now is 6:30 pm EST. We stand at just about 48,240, leaving us 1760 shy of our goal.

We need to average 42.41 per hour, every hour, including graveyard shifts, to reach our goal.

Posted by: MV Dame (41) | April 26, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Rare early evening post for me, again doin my part, baby.

Springs is one of those guys that I can stand behind in principle, but everytime I hear him talk, he strikes me as a whiner. Not that isn't entitled to his money.

M,

Sarcasm??? Moi??? No...

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne - If I am Springs and I see them dishing out 10M to sign to Arch and Lloyd and a reported 20M to Briggs if the trade went down, I'd say a hearty FU to them when they came calling for a pay cut.

They made their bed with some of these awful signings, now they gotta sleep in it.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Jason was on Washington Post Live today...the show just finished.

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

No, Universal didn't pay me to say anything nice about Spidey 3 :-)

I also can't wait for Transformers.

Giant Evil Robots!!!!

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Why is JLaC on WaPo Live when we're struggling to hit 50k? I hope he at least gave RI a plug.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Is Mike Penner available in the Redskinette draft?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

cdubb,

I definitely can understand where the frustration comes from on Springs' part.

I think I just spend alot of time whistling past the graveyard.

Does he think he is going to get the multi year big time money deal with another club?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the Bogle? Mmmmmmm. Highly recommend it. I may take my happy little MacBook and blog my guts out while drinking some Bogle tonight.

I wish I could post something relevant, but rehashing the same "this guy is better than that guy" argument seems silly. Particularly when we all know that 70% of the players chosen in the first round will fail to play for 3-5 years or make a lasting contribution to any team. Give a 20 year old kid $5M and he's going to spend more time chasing girls and driving fancy cars than he will with his nose in the playbook. It's only natural. It's the really special ones, with the really special work ethic, that make it. I know I could never have done it when I was 20. I was too busy chasing girls and driving crappy cars.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Is there a Redskinette draft???

I want in on the talent evaluation for that one.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Go get em Broncos!!!!!

Broncos | Holdman signed
Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:27:11 -0700

The Denver Broncos have announced they have signed unrestricted free-agent LB Warrick Holdman (Redskins). Terms of the contract were not disclosed.

Posted by: OC Skins | April 26, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly...

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Comcast just showed Jason again....they were showing a segment in which they interviewed local sports media about their thoughts on the Skins past drafts.

Jason was not in a suit...instead very casual in a button down shirt...he looks so young....

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

If Holdman flouishes in the Broncos system and goes to the Pro Bowl...Then we know its time for GG to GGo

Posted by: OC Skins | April 26, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Was scared off of Bogle by a review posted elsewhere that mentioned hints of blackberry syrup and metal on the pallate. And that was a positive review.

http://www.corkd.com/wine/view/21906

Wrong year, perhaps?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

[to waiter] I'll have three fingers of Glenlivet, with a little bit of pepper... and some cheese.

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

[to Veronica after the news has just gone off the air] You've got a dirty whorish mouth.

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Would someone mind posting the link to JLaC's appearance, if it's out there?

Thanks.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

[the news team is in the bear pit, fighting] Hit 'em in the uvula!

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

[signing off] You stay classy, Planet Earth.

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Holdman signed with the Broncos

http://test.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_5757856

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Al Wilson must be realy banged up.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

[after smelling the Sex Panther cologne] It's a formidable scent. It stings the nostrils. Why, to be honest with you, Brian, it smells like pure gasoline.

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

hope Ron Burgundy adds the motivation to get 50k

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

10 posts too late mugamuck

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Woo hoo the draft is coming the draft is coming

Posted by: woo hoo | April 26, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The Vikings seem happy with the Redksins picking Okoye:

Just as Vikings fans have become convinced that the seventh pick will likely come down to whether Peterson or Quinn is available, VU took part in a correspondents' mock draft in which beat writers make the picks for their respective teams. In this scenario, both Quinn and Peterson were available. The picks (no trades were allowed) went as follows - JaMarcus Russell to the Raiders, Gaines Adams to the Lions, Calvin Johnson to the Browns, Joe Thomas to the Bucs, Levi Brown to the Cardinals and LaRon Landry to the Redskins. In fact, the Redskins beat writer said if the team was stuck at No. 6 with no other selection, they might go for DT Amobi Okoye, which would mean the Vikings would have their choice of Quinn, Peterson or Landry at No. 7 - something few of us had thought possible.

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=93&p=2&c=638945

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

JLC just picked LL for the Skins in the ESPN writers mock draft over Okoye and Gaines Adams.

Posted by: skins@jax | April 26, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Ok...so when did Jesse Palmer become an NFL expert? He has been commentating on the NFL Network this week.

I know he was a backup QB with the Giants but I find this strange....is he still in the NFL?

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

skins@jax - can you post the link?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Man I can't keep up with this blog...

I thought I'd post this to help in the pursuit of 50,000...

Posted by: Rob | April 26, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

It was on ESPN as they are doing it live.

Posted by: skins@jax | April 26, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

we may have to limit posts to 2 lines if we hope to have any chance of hitting 50k

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Does he think he is going to get the multi year big time money deal with another club?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 06:38 PM


I don't think he would have gotten anywhere near Nate Clements type of money but he would have gotten a signing bonus and 1st year salary right around what he is slated to be paid this year by us.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The dinner hour is killing this blog

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Al Wilson must be realy banged up.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 06:49 PM


He got cut by the Broncos already back on 4/13. Sounds like his neck issue is very severe.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

cdubb-

I think the Giants are looking at Wilson. But to replace him with Holdman? That says a lot.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Landry might be the safest pick in this entire draft -- including Calvin Johnson. The guy does it all."

Scouts, Inc.'s Matt Williamson

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

schlereth and mcshay ripping jlc/skins for taking landry

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I knew what a wowser was! Haha

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

What are the odds the patriots take OG Manuel Ramirez?

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

okoye goes 10th in this dopey mock draft

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

that mock draft sounds as bad as the online one picked by the fans, where Ginn went 7th.

Posted by: mugamack | April 26, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Comcast just showed Jason again....they were showing a segment in which they interviewed local sports media about their thoughts on the Skins past drafts.

Jason was not in a suit...instead very casual in a button down shirt...he looks so young....

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 06:44 PM


JLC was posing with a pink tie on espn mock draft - nice work

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Ok... I've been reading these posts for a few weeks now and have decided to do my part in helping reach the 50,000.

Here's what I want to know: Will the Danny ever realize that he needs to get rid of Vinny and rehire Charley Casserly? He may not be the greatest GM ever, but he would DEFINITELY be an upgrade over Vinny and the Danny.

Posted by: Robskins | April 26, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse

With all the moves the Broncos have been making I would think Holdman would be providing depth for them. Wilson was an MLB while Holdman played outside anyway. Watching him the past 2 years, I think he should be Casey Bramletts teammate right now.

That ESPN draft had AZ taking Peterson too. Not at all how I would think it would go down. If we don't take Okoye and he slides past Atl that may say alot about him. Petrino was his college coach.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 7:46 PM | Report abuse

muck
it was pretty lame
no trades obviously -
russell
johnson
quinn
thomas
peterson
landry
adams
anderson
levi
okoye

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Bobby Beathard is also a guest analyst on NFL Network this week (and will be there on Draft Day as well). He said Gibbs was one of the best people he ever worked with -that Gibbs wanted the GM to get the players and then he would coach them. He also explained what it was like in the draft room.....lots of people were in the room and involved...the GM, all the coaches, the scouts and the team doctors. Sometimes the owner.

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I don't think Al Wilson has been cut yet, same as Shelton Quarles. Both teams have announced he will be cut before the draft, but it hasn't officially been done yet.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Two observations:
(1) Calvin Johnson appears to be not only an incredible athlete but also a great guy. Has the skills of TO, Randy Moss, and Marvin Harrison...and this is the good part...the demeanor of Harrison.
(2) Adrian Peterson is amazingly HOT!

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Buck up, Buckeroos! 48,286

Posted by: Cindy | April 26, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

did beathard get a facelift? looks good

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

50K is a piece of cake.

Nate, my Cafe Press shirt arrived last night! I love it! No one here knows who the Reaper is, but I do, and that's all that matters!

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

kost
how much was the shipping to you?
just curious

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh... Bobby Beathard... Sure would love to have him back.

Posted by: Robskins | April 26, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

From our boy Peter King. The Gibbs quote "thoroughly confused" has left me here shaking my head.

ASHBURN, Va. -- Air Snyder made one last pre-draft trip today. A contingent of Washington Redskins coaches and officials, led by owner Daniel Snyder and coach Joe Gibbs, flew to Columbus to examine the physical and mental condition of wideout/kick-returner Ted Ginn Jr.

Snyder cautioned me this afternoon, back at Redskins Park, not to read much into the trip to see Ginn. It's part of the team's tour to either visit the top 25 prospects in the draft, or have them visit the team's facility in northern Virginia. And I buy that. Ginn's not a fit for the Redskins, not at No. 6 in the first round. But if one of the Redskins' options Saturday comes through -- like trading down to acquire more picks, seeing that they have only one measly choice in the first four rounds -- then I see guys like Ginn and defensive end Adam Carriker very much on their radar screen.

Rough weekend for the Redskins. What to do, what to do. When you pick sixth overall, then you don't pick 'til the middle of Sunday afternoon (fifth round, pick 143 overall), getting that one selection right might be the most important single decision any team has to make this draft weekend. Unless, of course, Washington wheels and deals that No. 6 pick into something else. So I asked Joe Gibbs this afternoon: Why don't you do what this organization almost always does -- borrow from next year's draft to move up this year and take the player you really want.

(Snyder Interlude: When I told Snyder, "Hey, why don't you just package next year's one and this year's top pick to move up and take Calvin Johnson, he wailed, "Nooooooo! Not next year's one!'' Well, that's what it's going to take -- unless the Redskins can figure a way to make cornerback Shawn Springs and one of their smurfy receivers acceptable trade bait to move up to Detroit or Tampa Bay to get the pick to take Johnson.)

Back to Gibbs. The Redskins have been on-record saying they don't want to touch next year's full complement of draft picks. And they've been telling teams in trade talks they're not dealing next year's selections. But I am dubious. Very dubious. And Gibbs sort of fed into that this afternoon, telling me, "It depends on the situation. We'd love to have a full draft next year. But if a situation comes up like with Chris Cooley a couple of years ago [in 2004, Washington traded a second-round pick in the 2005 draft for a third-round pick that they used on Cooley], we're going to investigate it.''

On the plane ride back from Columbus, the three-headed decision-making Politburo of the 'Skins -- Gibbs, Snyder and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato -- went over the various scenarios they'll face in the next couple of days. They discussed moving up (Snyder and Detroit's Matt Millen talked on the phone today), moving down and standing pat. They discussed how willing they'd be to touch next year's crop of picks. At the end of the chat, Gibbs said, "OK, now we're all thoroughly confused. What are we doing?''

And that, ladies and gentlemen, sums up a lot of what's happening in draft rooms around the league today and what will happen tomorrow.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Assuming DT stands for Dirty Tramps I would have to say Paris Hilton and Christina Aguilera

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 26, 2007 05:43 PM

Reminds me of a great line since we are talking about movies...

"And if there is any attempt to cheat, especially with my wife... who is a dirty, dirty tramp"

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

kost
how much was the shipping to you?
just curious

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 07:57 PM


$7.00 US, pretty good value if you ask me!

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

So, 600+ so far today? Not bad....but if we're going for 1k a day we'd better get bizay. Gotta put the boy to bed then I'll be back....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

okay, I have to admit a secret hope for drafting CJ... cant explain why, but I do.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

KCSkinfan,

I am coming our your way for a wedding saturday... anywhere I should while in town???

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit I too, wouldn't feel too shabby if somehow we got CJ. He is truly a stud. I reallllly want more draft picks and I don't want to be feeling that same way next year, but, somehow.... I really wouldn't mind having that freak of a receiver on the opposite side of the field from Santana.

Posted by: Robskins | April 26, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Robskins, thanks for sharing my delusional thought process!!! LMGO

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

dont we have a mental freak across the field from moss now?

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

kost52, I'm pretty darn sure Al Wilson was cut WEEKS ago.

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Robskins, Inigo I'm with you guys. I think D-Line is a far more pressing need, but if we do trade up to grab him, I think it is the move most likely to improve this team. I guess, generally speaking, I don't mind too much what the FO decides to do (except Briggs), as long as it works!

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 8:17 PM | Report abuse

(2) Adrian Peterson is amazingly HOT!

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 07:50 PM

i'll show you HOT!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is a Machead, I could always ask some questions about these little Mac quirks I'm dealing with today :-)

Anything to get to 50K...

Posted by: P Diddy | April 26, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - I know he had the press conference, saying he was being cut, and that the Broncos had said he was being cut, but I thought I read somewhere, that he hadn't actually been cut. But someone posted a link a little earlier, saying he had been. Guess I was wrong.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

WAM BAM Down you go...
Oh but it continues...
WHACK CRACK throat punch...
When's it ever gonna stop?
Survey says - Not very soon!

When the cops find the body they'll say "What kind of animal could do this to another human being".

The answer: Sean Taylor

Posted by: Hauss | April 26, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Is a Machead the thing on a Mackdaddy's Macshoulders?

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

And to support my now crazy support of trading up for CJ... the Rams won a SB with a crazy offense, which included AL Saunders and a Defense that had london fletcher-baker... talk amongst yourselves.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Let's assume for a minute that the Redskins cannot move down and the draft goes in the following order (after TB trades with DET). Who should the Redskins pick at #6?

1. Oak - Russell
2. TB - C. Johnson
3. Cle - Quinn
4. DET - Adams
5. Ari - Peterson
6. Wash - Thomas? Landry? Okoye?

Posted by: M | April 26, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Can't see the Cards taking Peterson, they'll take Joe Thomas.

We'll take Peterson, Danny Boy will try and start a new trend, a THREE-back rotation! hahaha

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Thomas? Landry? Okoye?

Hopefully somebody wants to trade up for one of them, we trade down and get one of the ones that are left, plus an extry pick.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

going a few dozen comments back, i'd like to throw my favorite DL into the fray: Sean Jones, Gilbert Brown, Santana Dotson, Reggie White. Bring it.

i can't wait to see a plethora of trades go down. if not, i will be sorely disappointed

Posted by: pack4life | April 26, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

No offense M, but we have discussed who to pick with number 6 ad nauseum!!! Can we at least talk about trading up for CJ... just for a little while???

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Okoye... don't see the top five working out like that though.

Posted by: Robskins | April 26, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted give a big bloggy ups to all the Hamsters out there that supply the stats, links, and other goodies for us to digest. Your passion, single mindedness(?), and ability to still live with your parents are a siren call to us all.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only person who does not like the term "hamster"?

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Your passion, single mindedness(?), and ability to still live with your parents are a siren call to us all.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 08:38 PM

LMGO... ma, the meatloaf.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

LA Times sportswriter to become transsexual

AP story

name's Mike Penner, soon to be Christine Daniels

haha WTF

Posted by: pack4life | April 26, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Any of you coked up Hamsters know where to get some cedar bedding?

Sorry daveb55.....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

So tell me, should I be buying a huge amount of tinned food, for when 5-0-K arrives??

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, not as much as I dislike Shawn Springs.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Lisa, posted the Hamster thing again without being able to read the latest posts. Dang this compooter is slowwwwwwww.....

Was the Hamster thing a Nate deal? I wasn't there for the origination, just saw it one day.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Just kidding Lisa, it was the first thing that came to me when I read your post and since we are trying to get to 50k, I figured it would be good to BMGO with whatever comes to mind.

:)

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

inigo
yes trade up for cj
guy is awesome

Posted by: rb | April 26, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I want D from our one and only first day pick. But if I was forced to choose, I would much rather trade up for CJ than trade down for Ginn. I have this feeling he is gonna be a bust.

How bout a new thread even if there is nothing to report? Even on the high speed its annoying to scroll back to the bottom.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

So, I got in a fender bender on the way home from the job today. Lady in front stops abruptly, I put on my brakes and stop in time, and the kid behind me must have dropped his roach on the floor slams into me and my little Civic gets pushed up under the lady's SUV in front of me. The only car with damage is mine, got the hood caved in pretty good, but the radiator wasn't leaking or anything. Now I'll need to decide if I want to replace the hood on my '93 Honda or just roll around looking like I've been in a crash up derby. Maybe get on "Pimp My Ride"?

I did hit my head pretty good on the headrest when my neck snapped back, which I am currently medicating with some red wine. Lawsuit anyone? Maybe I could pay for some season tix? Hmmmm....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

TNT has the worst HD ever. Glad they don't have broadcast rights to the NFL.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on L2/Lando either. I haven't seen him play, and he may be the tightness as far as others are concerned, but do we need 2 Chuck Norris's back there? It would be nice if we had Reggie White and Dave Butz on the line, but come on, I'm afraid we are in a situation where we do have to draft for need since we ONLY HAVE ONE FRIGGIN' PICK the first day of the draft.....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

the HD for TNT isnt bad... I watch Law and Order in HD on there all the time

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

cdubb - I agree, cannot believe teams are rating him so high. He's another Dante Hall. Will only make a difference on special teams.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Stick with #6 pick. Don't trade up or down unless it's a really sweet deal. Aside from the frequently mentioned deficiencies, the team needs depth.

Trading up for CJ would cost too much.

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

cdubb,

i stand corrected the BB game is fuzzy as hell!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see if CJ is the sure fire lock/all world/Hall of Fame mack everyone is saying he is. I really haven't seen him play, so I don't have an opinion.

Remember David Boston? Wasn't he all world for awhile then faded?

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Pulldownclaw -

Maybe not 2 Chuck Norris's, but what about 1 Chuck Norris and a Mr.T?

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Inigo - maybe the tv shows on there have good quality. I was just watching a couple minutes of NBA playoffs with Orl/Det and there are glitches all over the place. Last year I remember they had picture but no audio on a couple games.

kost - it's funny, the other WR from OSU may be a better pro (Gonzalez). Seems like a nice possession type receiver. I was surprised Dante Hall was worth a 5th round pick in the trade that just went down.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Pulldownclaw,

That was no dude dropping a roach that hit your car...that was Sean Taylor. He kept right on going.

Don't even thing about sending him the bill!

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I can see the alien's big head on TNT just fine

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

what would the red Skins have to do to make a three way trade happen? This is how:- If the Atlanta Falcon (who has two picks in the second round) want to trade up to the #2 pick to get CJ (giving a second round to Detroit) and Detroit gives the Skins ATL's 2nd round pick to move back up to the #6 position and get the guy they want. (plus a couple more pick in later rounds imcluded to sweeten the deal for Detroit). What do you think?

Posted by: Andre Famous | April 26, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

cdubb -

Me too! I mean there was a time when teams had to make a game plan on how to deal with Dante Hall, but those days are gone. Although, I guess maybe regularly playing on turf might help him out a little.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Claw -- hope you are feeling OK. We still need ya for another 36 hours of posting.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Night Shift, signing in from Asia .... there better be more reinforcements than just me, Nate and Kost from Oz like last night ...

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I can see the alien's big head on TNT just fine

Posted by: | April 26, 2007 09:15 PM


LOL no name. Cassell must have mind control on the reception in the studio. The game broadcast stinks though

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I am still bitter that JLC held a chat off of RI, which pulled down the hourly average... and then says he things those live chat posts count towards the 50K. I threw the red flag and challenged that call. No opinions?

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah,
If we need 1400 post per day, we're falling behind.

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

should

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Do I get any RI points for purposefully picking a wife with my wife last night so I could stay up and blog a bit longer?

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

style

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh, how long does it take Nate to move his computer to the new place and plug it in? We need our Blog General back.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Do I get any RI points for purposefully picking a wife with my wife last night so I could stay up and blog a bit longer?

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 09:23 PM

Your wife let you pick another wife? That is awesome.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

All these trade up / trade down scenarios. My bet is we only see one move in the top ten. And my bet is on Detroit and Atlanta doing something. Everyone else stays pat.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

rats, typing too fast ... picked a fight with my wife.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

If we trade down with Buffalo or Miami and Okoye and L2 are off the board, I would like to see us pick Justin Harrell from Tennessee. If it wasn't for his torn bicep he would have had an even more awesome season for my Vols this year. I've seen him at Neyland stadium and he is a BEAST. Just another thought in the quest for 50k.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | April 26, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Knew what you meant Paps. Hope you were not in the doghouse today. I'm jetting, just trying to make my contribution on posts since f'ing work has been taking up too much of my time during the day.

Hail.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Do I get any RI points for purposefully picking a wife with my wife last night so I could stay up and blog a bit longer?

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 09:23 PM

Your wife let you pick another wife? That is awesome.

Posted by: cdubb | April 26, 2007 09:26 PM

does it have to be someone else's wife or a single gal?

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

No offense M, but we have discussed who to pick with number 6 ad nauseum!!! Can we at least talk about trading up for CJ... just for a little while???

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 08:34 PM

Sure, we can talk about trading up for CJ. Would you trade S. Taylor straight up to Oakland for their # 1 pick? Assume that this works capwise and we would draft CJ with #1 and draft Landry with #6?

Posted by: M | April 26, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

If we trade up for CJ and Saunders starts finding a way to get him the ball in the end zone, won't this merely reduce the time in which the D is off the field? Wasn't this part of the problem, in that Saunders schemes are intended to strike quickly?

We should be focussing the entire offense on Portis and Betts -- smashmouth Redskins football. We just dont need another premier receiver.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for jumping on...
have no thoughts of my own to post...
going to start cutting and pasting the Classifieds soon...

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by cdubb: Your wife let you pick another wife?

Paps, if this is true, you're better off trading down and picking 2 new wives. You'll get better value and develop a back up for the future. Everyone knows depth is key at that position.

Posted by: Skinny | April 26, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

there's no way we trade up with anyone and still keep #6. That's looney tunes.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I agree with cdubb, work is taking up too much blogging time, and my stupid college schedule finals for the week after draft. Don't they know that this blog and the draft are more important!haha

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | April 26, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Wanted:
Blog General to fill the shoes of one "Nate" who is on sabbatical. Temporary assignment only. Must be able to post at least 20 stories per hour.

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

You might be right, trading might be pretty limited in the top 10. Then again, who really knows what Oakland will do with the first pick?

A lot of people say pick the best player available, regardless of need. But that strategy relies upon the assumption that everyone can rank the top players and draft accordingly. No one has perfect information.

Others say address your team's weaknesses. Regardless of who's available.

The best bet is somewhere in between...so pick a defensive player please.

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Skinny - No need to trade down at all. You merely start a practice squad. That's off-roster right? ;-)

(I better stop - this can only get me in further trouble).

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

M is the 13th letter of the alphabet. 13 is an unlucky number. 13 X 2 = 26. 26 was Sean Taylors # in college.

Talk about trading him and he will find you.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

RockyTopSkin

Priorities, priorities...

Blogging will get thin as the east coast crashes....alas.

Posted by: Payt from PDX | April 26, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Skinny - No need to trade down at all. You merely start a practice squad. That's off-roster right? ;-)

(I better stop - this can only get me in further trouble).

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 09:40 PM

HA Practice squad...love it

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

M, LMGO... no we should trade s taylor for the #32 pick and peyton manning. And since we wont need J campbell anymore, trade him to the raiders for the #1. LMGO

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

jason, i don't know if it's cool to divulge this but who's got a black/charcoal cheufered Maybach up at the park? pretty sweet. the chueffer was all dressed up...but i couldn't see inside...

it has to be snyder. but you guys think joe gibbs drives his own car or is he cheuffered around and if he's the kind of person who would waste money on hiring a chuefer or like tony soprano have his cousin drive him around. you guys think joe gibbs is the type of person to own a car like maybach?

Posted by: dealer | April 26, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

How many times must you all be told? You are drafting Gaines Adams at the 6! For your sake, I hope he Gaines some weight. Are Hot Plate Williams and Dinner Bell Mel still around? You could ship him out to hang with Lenny Buffet Davis. What is Steven Segal doing these days?

Posted by: SMACK | April 26, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Inigo, nobody is shopping peyton manning, but nobody would be surprised if one of the top two draft pick is traded. An unproven rookie should not be compared to a future hall of fame quaterback, who just won the Superbowl.

Posted by: M | April 26, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't Gibbs own same type of car as his NASCAR stock car? (Have no idea what it is ...).

Cant seem him in a Maybach - too bling bling. That's probably Brunell. (!)

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

There once was a team very daft
That never could master its craft
Gardner comma Rod
Heath Shuler my gawd
The Skins and the NFL Draft

Posted by: SMACK | April 26, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

i want a maybach

Posted by: pack4life | April 26, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

guess my internet sarcasm isnt coming across too well

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

we at 49k yet?
peyton manning on the trade block...interesting...ambitious bunch

Posted by: RBD202 | April 26, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Wish we could do an actual poll of what RI hamsters think we should draft at #6. My guess is it would neck and neck between Landry and Okoye.

There are times I think Skins fans are unfortunately starting to become like Knick fans on draft day. Ever see TV coverage of MSG when they announce their pick? Pretty comical.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 26, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Inigo - I think you're selling us a little short, we could probably get the Colts to throw Freeney in on that deal.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

OK, so this is late night and sober for me. 1st time on this blog. This is a wierd joint at night. Way too brightly lit. Especially for Bogle and Glenlivet.

Bogle is the best OV Zinf I've tried. Another is called 7 Deadly Zins. I know, a little cheesy... I kill myself, really.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 26, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Go to bed Larry Bud, the kids deserve your best on Fridays

Posted by: Dorf | April 26, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure you all know what an ordeal moving can be so I imagine Nate will be pretty preoccupied until Draft Day.

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Inigo - I think you're selling us a little short, we could probably get the Colts to throw Freeney in on that deal.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 10:03 PM


Freeney, Freeny??? (said with Jim Mora Sr. tone... playoffs?)

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 26, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

What's the Gaines at #6 over under approval rate? Gaines > 33%? From my perverse interest in this blog, I only think about one in three of you would pass out at 2:30 on Saturday happy.

Posted by: SMACK | April 26, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

new post..........

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Maybe not 2 Chuck Norris's, but what about 1 Chuck Norris and a Mr.T?

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2007 09:12 PM

"I pity the fool that comes across the middle!"

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 26, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

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