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Wednesday morning links

Mike Wise writes about a Redskins fan who has a different level of feeling about the team: it's John Cooke, the son of the late Jack Kent Cooke.

Sally Jenkins finds the Redskins in need of a GM bailout. ... Over in the business section, Steven Pearlstein writes about the Redskins and the NFL's anti-trust exemption. He'll be chatting about that column at 10 a.m. today. ... Sports editor Matt Vita will take your questions on the Redskins and other sports matters in a chat at noon today. ...Over at the Bog, Dan Steinberg has Clinton Portis's comments about the Redskins' owner.

Remember how, just before the season began, there was all this melodrama involving the star quarterbacks? Brady was coming off surgery, Favre was doing his Hamlet-in-a-helmet thing, Vick was returning to the game and there was the whole Cutler/Orton issue. Just a little under halfway through the season, all that remains is the drama. The QBs are making headlines, but only because they're putting up eye-popping numbers, Mark Maske writes. Over at The League, you can tell us who's your guy and why.

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zj, had to be a 1 year for the vet min, otherwise we'd have heard about it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 21, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I sure as heck hope so, but I was under the impression the reason he was on the street for so long was his contract demands, that he wanted big money. That's why I want to officially here 1 year, I don't so much care about vet min. or 15 mil as long as its for only 1 year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 21, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 21, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Anybody think Philly -7 is a good bet? We stink, but hard to back a team that lost to the Raiders.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 21, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Wow cinDy good thing I can read

Posted by: dealer1 | October 21, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Ryp,

This team tends to win and lose by small margins.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Just getting caught up this morning. I can’t believe I actually liked the Sally Jenkins article this morning. Good piece on John Kent Cooke too. The more I read, the more hate-able Dan Snyder becomes. The BMitch transcripts were good from yesterday too. Seems like I agree with everything he says. Sounds like Snyder enjoys working in a vacuum and won’t let anyone near him who might have a different view of how to build the team…….

From the previous post:
“Although Coach Jim Zorn named quarterback Jason Campbell the Redskins' starter for Monday night's game against the Philadelphia Eagles at FedEx Field, it's not as if Zorn has totally recommitted to Campbell, whom he benched at halftime of the last game. Not in the least.”

Good! This is a small start…..people on this team need to start fearing for their jobs. Seems like Campbell picks and chooses which half of each game that he will put points up. Can’t think of one game where he played well in both halves so far this year. I can’t remember which piece it was that I read today, but one person (Gannon maybe) mentioned having observed a Skins practice and said it was a joke. This team doesn’t practice hard and that translates to playing poorly in games. Apparently Zorn thinks that his QBs and playcalling work great because they are not allowed to hit the QB in practice. Supposedly Campbell “throws a great deep ball”…..have only seen ONE good deep pass so far this year and that includes pre-season. Don’t get me wrong, I still think Campbell is the best qb on the roster, but the Head coach needs to realize that walking through stuff in practice does not translate to game speed or situations. This team is soft because of the GM/FO and especially the coach. Zorn is just plain soft; Snyder needs to realize this and get a new GM who will say no to him and hire a tough coach who will instill some pride and a work ethic back into the team. Russ Grimm anyone?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 21, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Gweez - we also haven't played a good team all year, other than week one, where we lost by 7 (should have been more). But we've got significantly worse since then.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 21, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

So Sally bag o nickels thinks the Redskins need a GM?????

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 21, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Sport_Guru nothing logical about being a Redskin fan, either you are or you are not. By the way, I wonder how all the ship jumping fans that chose to root for the Ravens after week 3 are doing? Three game losing streak for the Ravens. Maybe those fairweather fans are dragging them down. But the Ravens lose with so much flair!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 21, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I didn't jump ship and I'm not a Ravens fan, but your post right here just explains why you don't get it. The people who are jumping ship aren't doing because we are 2-4 or because of any 3 game stretch. They are jumping ship after a decade of poor management, terrible coaching, terrible talent acquisitions, and just the all out circus of suck that has defined the Redskins under the ownership of Snyder. It has nothing to do with just this season or just the last three weeks, its a much bigger picture/problem than 2-4. I have hung in there hoping along the way at some point Snyder will get it and finally get out of his own way. And I think we have finally gotten bad enough and enough people are saying it that he may actually fire Vinny and hire a GM or a big time coach and give him control. If he does that I will stay and trudge on, but if goes through all of this and tries to sell it as Zorn was just a bad hire and everything is Zorn's fault so that he can keep Vinny in place and they just hire someone else then I'm done, I haven't decided who I would follow, but it would no longer be my beloved Skins. I would always root for them but I can't care about them when those guys are in charge, they're to stupid, and it won't have anything to do with a 3 game stretch.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 21, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11, 7 pts is a lot in a Skins game. It's very tempting to take the 7 pts. but I think that I'll pass this week. This game is sort of a transitional one, with all of the changes who knows? One thing to remember, there's an old saying that goes - bet with your heart, and you'll lose your ass!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 21, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Let me tell you, nostalgia aside. I have met Cooke and heard stories about the guy as well. He's not a smart guy. So while I'd rather have him own the team you aint missing much.

He once rented a deisel car and forced the Gas nozzle in it and filled it up. When it didn't start he abandoned it on the side of the road in Europe. Then tried to get the travel agency that made the arrangement pay for it. Guys a billionaire. So he's a jerk too.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Remember how, just before the season began, there was all this melodrama involving the star quarterbacks? Brady was coming off surgery, Favre was doing his Hamlet-in-a-helmet thing, Vick was returning to the game and there was the whole Cutler/Orton issue. Just a little under halfway through the season, all that remains is the drama. The QBs are making headlines, but only because they're putting up eye-popping numbers, Mark Maske writes.

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What about the Jason Campbell drama in the offseason??

Is he living up to expectations?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

What about the Jason Campbell drama in the offseason??

Is he living up to expectations?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

He's living up to mine, I expected him to suck and he does.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 21, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

So, what was the attendance like last Sunday?
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79,572. Not sure how this compares to other home games we've had recently tho.

Posted by: will_ga | October 21, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"And I think the pressure [is] on Mr. Snyder, and he want to win so bad. And everybody's [saying] 'Oh, get him out of here, he need to sell the team, he's what's [wrong].' It's not him. I think he brings in everybody that he could possibly bring in that he think gonna help this team. I think if you look at the talent on our team, we've got a lot of talent. We've got great players. We've gotta go out and do it. It's no coaches playing for us, it's nobody in the front office playing for us. The scout evaluators, whoever they bring in, I mean, they evaluate talent. We've got talent. It's just the execution. So it's on us."

By: Clinton Portis

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I agree......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

79,572. Not sure how this compares to other home games we've had recently tho.

Posted by: will_ga | October 21, 2009 9:59 AM |

Thats what was listed but after hearing people who were there talk, there were no where near that many.

Some say 45-50,000

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 21, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I agree......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Which part 4th. The part where he says it's the media's fault or the part where he says it's not Mr. Snyders fault it's on us?

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I find it so fitting that Vinny now brings in Levi Jones. How long did RI call for him? But it's still too little too late. Vinny's scrambling to make up for his off-season blunders. At least it shows they're admitting they were wrong in not addressing the line earlier. But it's still embarrassing to seem them try at this point.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 21, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I can’t believe I actually liked the Sally Jenkins article this morning.
Posted by: dlhaze1

Me either..she has soften her attack on Danny..she may be setting us up for something major next week....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"I'm just telling you, on our behalf as players, the conversation that you hear," he said. "I mean, a couple weeks ago, you've got some players--I don't even know who it was--asking about knowing if the coach gonna be here, knowing this and knowing that. What we need to know is what defense we're lining up in this week, what offensive plays we gonna line up in, and what we need to go out and perfect.

"We can't worry about the media. I never even listen to my own radio show. I mean, when I talk to y'all, that's it. I don't pick up the papers, I don't watch TV to hear, 'The Redskins failed, get everybody out of there,' because I don't want to take the bad, so there's no need to hear the good. It's gonna always be 'Oh, something need to be changed.' We don't need to change all the time. What we need is to stay healthy, which we haven't done. What we need is to execute, which we haven't done, to stop penalizing ourselves, which we haven't done. If we get those things, we'll be fine. Everything else will fall into place."

By: Clinton Portis

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I know 4-12 can agree on this....So can I..

You can't predict health. And execution sucks.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Vegas Jim - Ill probably just stick with Philly straight up in a parlay. You like any other lines this week?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 21, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2. I would suggest the Broncos be your new team. They're playing well. Snyder and Cerrato are joined at the hip. That's something that I do get. Have a good day!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 21, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I heard jcs calls to his agent are being routed to a file clerk/secretary like Lloyd. So even his agent thinks he's not getting good enuff roi with him(jc)

Posted by: dealer1 | October 21, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Which part 4th. The part where he says it's the media's fault or the part where he says it's not Mr. Snyders fault it's on us?

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2009 10:03 AM

It's the Media's fault for feeding the wolves blood, or however that saying goes.....

It's not Snyder's fault for the in-season stuff. He put a lot of $$$ in here, not to just be burning it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"And I think the pressure [is] on Mr. Snyder, and he want to win so bad. And everybody's [saying] 'Oh, get him out of here, he need to sell the team, he's what's [wrong].' It's not him. I think he brings in everybody that he could possibly bring in that he think gonna help this team. I think if you look at the talent on our team, we've got a lot of talent. We've got great players. We've gotta go out and do it. It's no coaches playing for us, it's nobody in the front office playing for us. The scout evaluators, whoever they bring in, I mean, they evaluate talent. We've got talent. It's just the execution. So it's on us."

By: Clinton Portis

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I agree......

Posted by: 4thFloor


I agree.....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Grate story by Wise. One of his best of the year. Really makes you wish we could vote Cooke into the ownership.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Sport_Guru nothing logical about being a Redskin fan, either you are or you are not. By the way, I wonder how all the ship jumping fans that chose to root for the Ravens after week 3 are doing? Three game losing streak for the Ravens. Maybe those fairweather fans are dragging them down. But the Ravens lose with so much flair!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 21, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I didn't jump ship and I'm not a Ravens fan, but your post right here just explains why you don't get it. The people who are jumping ship aren't doing because we are 2-4 or because of any 3 game stretch. They are jumping ship after a decade of poor management, terrible coaching, terrible talent acquisitions, and just the all out circus of suck that has defined the Redskins under the ownership of Snyder. It has nothing to do with just this season or just the last three weeks, its a much bigger picture/problem than 2-4. I have hung in there hoping along the way at some point Snyder will get it and finally get out of his own way. And I think we have finally gotten bad enough and enough people are saying it that he may actually fire Vinny and hire a GM or a big time coach and give him control. If he does that I will stay and trudge on, but if goes through all of this and tries to sell it as Zorn was just a bad hire and everything is Zorn's fault so that he can keep Vinny in place and they just hire someone else then I'm done, I haven't decided who I would follow, but it would no longer be my beloved Skins. I would always root for them but I can't care about them when those guys are in charge, they're to stupid, and it won't have anything to do with a 3 game stretch.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 21, 2009 9:55 AM |

Exactly.

It has nothing to do with their record.

My quandry as to whether or not to support this team, is that it seems like I am just rooting for a uniform.

The players change constantly.

The coaches change constantly.

The owner is abysmal in running the team, and as a person.

Why am I rooting for a name and colors... and putting money into the pockets of a man that sues old ladies, as he counts his billions?

I cannot honestly defend being a redskins fan... at this point.... the tradition of the Skins belongs with the Cooke's Redskins.. not the Snyder's Redskins.... TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND FRANCHISES ENTIRELY.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 21, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Great article on John Cooke by Mike Wise. Great journalism. That guy remained classy for 10 years now and finally had to speak.

F JKC always and forever for that BS move he made with the team in his will. Just as JKC taking over from Marshall was a pivotal moment in the teams history so was the ridiculousness of how he turned it over. The day that the skins switched hands was the ultimate jump the shark moment in NFL history.

I mean America was built on rich people enabling their kids.....why not here?

Would John Cooke have struggled....probably... he had to much patience with Norv. But who wouldn't trade for that now? He would have known after Casserly/Norv ran their course that it was time to bring in a Ron Wolfe type. I m ok with struggling/rebuilding but this....THIS evil empire robber baron tyrant mr burns type deal we got now, combined with A DEEP lack of football knowledge has made the team a league joke.

I mean remember when this was a flagship franchise?

we used to be able to hold up our heads as Redskins Nation with class, respect, tradition and authority.

Now? Funny fodder for tabloid 24 hour NFL news cycle.

super deperresed...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I find it so fitting that Vinny now brings in Levi Jones. How long did RI call for him? But it's still too little too late.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 21, 2009 10:04 AM

I agree! Vinny should have listened to us. If he'd brought in Levi Jones before the season, we'd be 5-1 now. But, with a player of Levi's abilities, we should be able to run the table -- 12-4. This was the last missing piece on our way to the Supper Bowl.

Posted by: League-Source | October 21, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Portis is obviously delusional. He also probably still thinks he's elite.

Posted by: edvar | October 21, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"It's the Media's fault for feeding the wolves blood, or however that saying goes.....

It's not Snyder's fault for the in-season stuff. He put a lot of $$$ in here, not to just be burning it...

Posted by: 4thFloor

This is straight delusional. Sorry 4th

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

It's the Media's fault for feeding the wolves blood, or however that saying goes.....

It's not Snyder's fault for the in-season stuff. He put a lot of $$$ in here, not to just be burning it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Snyder runs this team. It's all his fault. In-season or out of season it's all the same. He gave his rubber stamp for bringing in "an extra set of eyes" he hired Zorn with no play calling experience. He didn't insist on hiring a guy with play calling experience. All of this is Danny's fault.

The spending money I don't care about. Spending money doesn't make you good at anything and it doesn't show you "care". Not in life, not in the NFL.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Rypien, Nothing really jumps out. But if I had to bet, I think it would be the 49'ers +3 at Houston.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 21, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

From that terrific (and terrifically depressing) Mike Wise piece: "I think [John Cooke] learned so much from his father [that] John would have been a great owner," Beathard said. "His dad wasn't a hands-off guy, but he wasn't a meddler. He didn't want to come over and want to watch films or tell us who to take..."

Yeah, so that sweet spot between being a hands-off guy and being a meddler, Danny hasn't quite found that yet, has he? We hear how Danny wants to spend more time with Zorn discussing the offense, not in April or even August but in the second friggin' month of the season... It's just infuriating...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 21, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Wise is insufferable.

If they could replace with him with a player, like Brian Mitchell, that would be a killer panel.

Posted by: Tank2 | October 21, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

F JKC always and forever for that BS move he made with the team in his will.

I mean America was built on rich people enabling their kids.....
Posted by: chrislarry

JKC wanted to something for kids less fortunate than you seem to be that's why he put the team up for bid. JohnC just got bad advise on what to bid and wasn't ready for the new age mavericks he was competing against. JKC did what he wanted to with his franchise and you should never curse the DEAD..what wrong with you!!...you sound like some spoiled rich kid waiting on his daddy's money...

JKC wanted to enabled young folks without rich dad's...
A this country was built on the back of Slaves..get it right...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

jcnjcnj,

You may want to take that with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

You have to wonder how many respected football guys it’s gonna take to actually talk to Snyder before he listens, and backs himself out of the FO and hires a real GM. It really seems to be coming to light that the organization is hitting rock bottom. Reading what Korheiser said about everyone in the owner’s box being “completely shocked” at the “sell the team” chants is amazing……how can Snyder’s entourage not be aware of the fans frustrations? Is Snyder even aware of this? Apparently there are top flight coaches who are turning down his offers to coach the team (Shanahan)…..let’s hope that maybe he’s asking them why they don’t want to. I know tv and radio shows have been saying it for years now, but it’s good to see that people are getting in his face and telling him to make drastic changes. It just makes me wonder if he is too stubborn to accept it…..if Vinny is still here next season I would not be surprised to see the sold out games streak come to an end. You can see more and more empty seats at each home game. Apparently that’s what it may take to get his attention. But then again, he may just be such an ego maniac that he will never listen to any of the folks telling him what he should do.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 21, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

jcnjcnj,

You may want to take that with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Gweez

Thanks I'll chill...he just struck a nerve..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

F jcnjcj

Where did I curse him?

I don't buy for a second they couldn't have done both, established a foundation (which he could have begun while living so it was solvent) and kept the team in the family.

And it was a joke about the rich retaining wealth...but thanks I will look up this thing you call slavery...

jack azz...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

ye sto russ grim he would kick the players in the ash for not playing to their fullest. if we still had cooke as owner we would still be losers because he would have kept turner. he even sucks with san diego. they have gone down hill ever since he has been there. russ grim.

Posted by: rls1041 | October 21, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I could root for a Cooke owned Minor league football team over a Snyder owned Redskins team. Others?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

He would have kept turner, what maybe another 2/3 years. If what we assume/know would have been true, Norv is a loser, than he would have fired him. That brings us to like 1999...

whateves...F you all, F me, F life, F the skins, F football, F RI, F me for caring

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I could root for a Cooke owned Minor league football team over a Snyder owned Redskins team. Others?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2009 10:35 AM

This is the direction I am heading.

I already cancelled my season tickets, the season after they screwed LaVar. I am finding less and less to like this team for.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 21, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

You can look at issues in a Micro or Macro way.

Why look at the Macro issues during the season? During the season, you gotta look at the Micro issues, which consist of Coaching and player execution.

The coaching is horrendous. The Player Execution is horrendous.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Come one, you keep Norv and Brad Johnson for another 2-3 years, maybe the skins would not win the super bowl but they would have had a better shot than any we have had since Danny.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I already cancelled my season tickets, the season after they screwed LaVar. I am finding less and less to like this team for.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 21, 2009 10:38 AM |

Give me a break screwed lavar, if his agent didn't read the contrat he should have picked one that could read.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 21, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I live in Indy now, and my wife is a Colts fan. I'm more than happy to cheer for them on Sundays - they are "my AFC team". My brain tells me I should abandon the Skins until Snyder sells the team or hires a new GM. I should just stop reading redskin news, stop watching redskins games, force myself to not care somehow.

The Colts are a great team to begin allegiance to - they are a very solid organization that does everything right, and I'm going to be living here indefinitely.

But in my heart I know that no matter how long I live here, if the Skins ever play the Colts, I'll be wearing Burgundy and Gold. I just can't help it. Damn you upbringing!

Posted by: REXskins | October 21, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Its just horrendous period...micro, macro, little, big, coaching, playing, gming, owning, reporting, fanning, listening, watching, caring, apathizing, joking, crying, reading, big H, little h....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

A sad but true Story...
Cleveland, OH (AP) - A seven-year old boy was at the center of a Cuyahoga County courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him... The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulation requiring that family unity be maintained to the highest degree possible.

The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her.

When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried and said that they also beat him.

After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.

After two recesses to check legal references and confer with the child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the Washington Redskins, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.

Posted by: connskins | October 21, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

F jcnjcj

Where did I curse him?
F JKC always and forever for that BS move he made with the team in his will.
Posted by: chrislarry

In your first sentence.. punk..don't try and soften your position now its too late..make the statement and stick with it..

whatever you think they could have done doesn't matter JKC decided to put HIS team up for bid not YOUR team...you better hope your daddy doesn't pull a JKC in his...Sissy

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

ris1041, If a coaching move is to be made, and that seems inevitable, I agree with the Russ Grim idea. This team needs discipline! When Mike Singletary was hired with the 49ers my first thought was that it was a bad hire, the NFL had become too sophisticated for the simplistic approach of Singletary. But now we see that his no nonsense, challenge the player, get in their face attitude has made a big difference in that team. They play tough, and don't make mistakes. Screw 700 page playbooks and prima dona players. Get back to basics. Vince Lombardi had maybe a half dozen plays, but he demanded perfection in their execution, and the other team couldn't stop them. I also agree with you on Norv Turner, that hiring was the kiss of death for the skins. The football gods have punished us ever since.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 21, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Pardon my lack of knowledge on our newly acquired LT Levi Jones. Is he even good? Why wasn't he on an NFL squad until now? Seems like putting a bandaid over cancer.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 21, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I already cancelled my season tickets, the season after they screwed LaVar. I am finding less and less to like this team for.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 21, 2009 10:38 AM |

Give me a break screwed lavar, if his agent didn't read the contrat he should have picked one that could read.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 21, 2009 10:40 AM

Another blind follower of Dan Snyder..

If you have a hand shake deal... it takes a weasel to go back into the 68th page of a 100 page contract and change a line to screw someone out of 6.5 million.

It is not Lavar's fault that he trusted the handshake of someone that had claimed publicly to be a fan of the man. His owner, his boss, his leader... the man that brought him into the NFL.

It was dick move on Snyder's fault, whether LaVar caught it, or not.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 21, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Wow. John Cooke as owner? The man's life and style define mediocrity. When he ran the club it was nothing and so was he.

The rest of you can quote Billy Kilmer, but I'm with Sonny Jurgensen on this one: "John is a good man. But if his dad thought he was capable of running the franchise, I think he would have given it to him. They could have taken care of the charitable trust when John sold the team."

I don't like Snyder, but I don't see Cookie Jr. as an upgrade.

Posted by: League-Source | October 21, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Guru,

Whatever I'm sure thats how it happened, and you know this because you were there or you took Lavar's word for it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 21, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Look an "F" isn't a "curse" Jag off...one is an expression of anger, the other an eternal damnation..got it pillow biter?

Now I AM going to put the evil stink eye curse on you jcnjcnj:

"With my hoodoo voodoo power I summon the evil spirts of Hallows Eve to bring nothing but stained shorts, erectile dysfunction and paychecks in confederate dollars to the silly little toad who goals by the blog handle jcnjcnj. May he forever dine on tuna caserole"

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

If a coaching move is to be made, and that seems inevitable, I agree with the Russ Grim idea. This team needs discipline!

The Russ Grimm hire sounds good but do we have any evidence that he's a disciplinarian?..I mean being an ex-HOG and all sounds like he could be but is there any feedback on his coaching style...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Guru,

Whatever I'm sure thats how it happened, and you know this because you were there or you took Lavar's word for it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 21, 2009 10:49 AM

The Danny never denied it. He just said that he should have read the contract...

Translation... I made a dick move...so what!

Who can defend that over LaVar?! LaVar should have been the face of this franchise for years. The Danny effectively destroyed that.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 21, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry,
BEST CURSE EVER.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I hate to spread rumors but wasn't the knock on Grimm that he was a boozer or something?

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Look an "F" isn't a "curse" Jag off...one is an expression of anger, the other an eternal damnation..got it pillow biter?

Now I AM going to put the evil stink eye curse on you jcnjcnj:

"With my hoodoo voodoo power I summon the evil spirts of Hallows Eve to bring nothing but stained shorts, erectile dysfunction and paychecks in confederate dollars to the silly little toad who goals by the blog handle jcnjcnj. May he forever dine on tuna caserole"

We know what you were inferring with the F..stop trying to weasel out of it...

You're soft and not worth another response..Putty Packker...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

LaVar was the face of the franchise SG. Until he pissed off GGmanboobs the D-coach and our LB coach then Danny boy decided to stick his **** in it and the contract thing happened.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Another blind follower of Dan Snyder..

If you have a hand shake deal... it takes a weasel to go back into the 68th page of a 100 page contract and change a line to screw someone out of 6.5 million.

It is not Lavar's fault that he trusted the handshake of someone that had claimed publicly to be a fan of the man. His owner, his boss, his leader... the man that brought him into the NFL.

It was dick move on Snyder's fault, whether LaVar caught it, or not.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 21, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

It was the agents job to read and understand the contract. The agent F'd things up for Lavar, not Snyder.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 21, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Who can defend that over LaVar?! LaVar should have been the face of this franchise for years. The Danny effectively destroyed that.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 21, 2009 10:55 AM |

Lavar was terrible when he left and was terrible for one year with the Giants, get out of here with that sh_t.

This is what you are worried about, who gives a sh_t about Lavar. He is no longer with the team players come and go so do coaches but the team is who you root for.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 21, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Guru -

I seem to remember that the 6.5 million "mistake" in Lavar's contract was impossible to comply with because it would have put them too far over the salary cap. There's no way the Skins would have agreed to it.

I really do believe on this one that Lavar is wrong. (This may be the ONLY time I ever take up for our current FO, but the numbers don't lie...)

Posted by: edvar | October 21, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

jcnjcnj
Are you new to the blog? Chris Larry is long established for his character of saying F _____

This is mainly due to a salutation given to Chris Larry in the dawn of the blogs golden age, where people would exit their day with a excellent comment followed by F chRIs larry.

So get over it.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

My thinking on Cooke, Jr. is he is not strong enough to run a football team. He would end up having someone walk all over him and we'd be dealing with a different kind of mess than we are currently dealing with. The apple, in this case, fell far from the tree.

My thinking on Snyder is he is the perfect example of capitalist aristocracy. I believe in his mind it is "my team and I will do whatever I bloody well want to do with it". This is true, but only to the extent that if you do not appease the fans, you eventually won't have any. I do believe he wants a Superbowl with this team; however, I also believe that he wants to be the one pulling the strings when that Lombardi trophy is handed out.
I don't believe he can have it both ways because Dan Snyder may be many things, but a football expert he is not.

If Snyder comes to the realization that he can't do it, if he comes to the realization that he needs a real expert to run his team, hires that expert and gets out of his way, if he still leaves his ample cash reserves available for assembling the players needed, then I think he could be a great owner. I just don't know if his ego will allow him to drop the reins. It would be a hard thing for any of us to do, let alone a self made millionaire used to having his way...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 21, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

At this point i'd take a weak Owner to a Strong one.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Lavar was sorta instrumental in the playoff run and victory that season so horrible is not the word I would use. He also was having a monster game for Giants when he got hurt (I was watching...)

I agree though that his agent blew that. Was Snyder pulling a fast one, prolly, but agents job to catch that. I mean by default you would assume Snyder is going to pull a shady move and thus read it thrice.

But hey, if you are paying that much for season tickets, you can have whatever reason you want for not renewing...and if being upset by the strange departure of a fan favorite did it for Guru, so be it.

"Putty Packer" Larry

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

First and foremost, what the Redskins need is a change of culture. It doesn't have to be an overhaul of on-field personnel, but it does have to be a change at the top. Someone no-nonsense, someone that holds everyone accountable, and someone that doesn't accept BS from the players or management.

Wisenhunt did it with the Cardinals without overhauling the roster, Singletary is doing it with the 49ers without overhauling the roster, Rex Ryan seems to be doing it with the Jets without overhauling the roster, etc. Get a REAL head coach in here, and you'll see how quickly this thing turns around for the Redskins.

Posted by: psps23 | October 21, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

So redskinshead, by your breakdown who do you think would have been quicker to turn over the managing of the Skins to a talented and energetic FO?

The "weak" Cooke Jr or "strong" Snyder?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I look at Snyder as more of a classic example of New Money, they earned it and its all about them. John Cooke is an example of 2nd generation wealth, not old money but he grew up around it and so its not a big deal to him.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,
You're a fool !
Just keep those keys quite clown.

Posted by: OG_Barno | October 21, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

This is mainly due to a salutation given to Chris Larry in the dawn of the blogs golden age, where people would exit their day with a excellent comment followed by F chRIs larry.

So get over it.

Posted by: alex35332

Thanks for the explanation...I've read this blog for a couple of yrs..just started blogging this season...So if F..is not a curse...F chRIslarry...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

after they screwed LaVar

1. One of the agents that represented this contract is no longer allowed to work with NFL contracts

2. Why would they put TWO 6.5 million dollar bonus's in a contract?? Makes no sense, why not ONE 13 million dollar bonus??

I'm not saying DS is blameless, but to ignore what the facts of this case are, is just ignorant....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 21, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"So if F..is not a curse...F chRIslarry..."

Hey now you are getting it!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

beep peeps

Posted by: 4-12 | October 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

If a coaching move is to be made, and that seems inevitable, I agree with the Russ Grim idea. This team needs discipline!
The Russ Grimm hire sounds good but do we have any evidence that he's a disciplinarian?..I mean being an ex-HOG and all sounds like he could be but is there any feedback on his coaching style...
Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 10:54 AM


Everything I’ve read leads me to believe that he interviews very poorly……just my thoughts though. He was a great Oline coach with the Skins, but would be more along the lines of being from the “Cowher-tree”. Cowher knew how to run a team, and with the exception of some weird belief in Kordell Stewart, got rid of or benched his players when their performance dropped off. He was know as a players coach, but learned form the biggest disciplinarian of them all (Schottenheimer). Grimm learned and coached well while with the Steelers, and is the number 2 guy in AZ, where it only took them 2 years to get to the big game. He has interviewed for several HC jobs, but never seems to hit it off with the GM’s…..never seen it printed or discussed as to why he never lands the job. Helping to turn the Cardinals around is a feat that should have had teams poaching 75% of their coaching staff if you ask me. Bottom line is that Grimm was a tough, no nonsense player, and is probably still the same kind of coach, and that’s what this team needs.

I’ve said it before….look at Shawn Springs. If he stubbed his toe he sat out of practice and games, and it was tolerated in Ashburn because that’s what the current culture is. He hasn’t skipped anything in New England this year because he knows the coaches will put their foot up his butt if he gives less than 100% in practice and games. THAT is what the skins need from the FOP and HC……give me Grimm any day!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

And I think we have finally gotten bad enough and enough people are saying it that he may actually fire Vinny and hire a GM or a big time coach and give him control. If he does that I will stay and trudge on, but if goes through all of this and tries to sell it as Zorn was just a bad hire and everything is Zorn's fault so that he can keep Vinny in place and they just hire someone else then I'm done, I haven't decided who I would follow, but it would no longer be my beloved Skins..

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 21, 2009 9:55 AM |

Right, sure Snyder will hire a new GM only to undermine him or fire him within a few years. I am just stunned after 10 years how people fail to grasp this. Boycott NOW.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 21, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey now you are getting it!

Posted by: chrislarry

no hard feelings...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 21, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

f-beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 21, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

don't seem to be able to post on the newest one....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 21, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

RESPONSE FROM BARNO

All-

I see that Poopy_McPoop has been re-posting many of my comments on here lately. I think it's pretty obvious that Poopy_McPoop is actually Jason La Canfora, and he's finally exacting his revenge on me. Obviously JK. In all seriousness, those quotes are pretty humorous when you put them all together, and I certainly deserve it--as I did the same thing reposting the comments of those who demanded Gary Williams be fired after the Terps made the tourney last March. I do wish someone else had done this other than Poopy, who is universally despised over at the Terrapin Insider for his pointless and often dishonest comments. But someone had to do it, I asked for it.

However, other than the prediction comments he quotes of mine, no context was given and the comments were often cropped by Poopy. This is Poopy's m.o. For instance, in quoting Dan Steinberg on his chat this week, he intentionally deleted Steinberg's kind words including "When a similar (though much less intense) despair was afflicting Terps basketball last winter, Barno repeatedly said that the Terps would be fine and that everyone would love Gary Williams again by April. I think he was right. When national analysts were predicting doom and gloom for the Strasburg negotiations, he repeatedly said that Strasburg would sign for a reasonable number and there was no need for even the slightest nerves, even into the last few hours. He was right there, too." And "the WaPost is better because of Barno." Poopy dishonestly removed those comments when quoting Steinberg's response.

That's the kind of slimy tactic he uses. In addition, there are a few comments Poopy attributes to me that I do not recall writing at all (Eddie Jordan being driven out of town by the media? Can't imagine why I would ever have said that, I never felt that way..but maybe if some context had been given I could see where that came from).

But I am not running away from any of the many comments I wrote about this team. I posted a few times the other day that I was about as wrong as one can get this year about the Redskins. I was wrong in spectacular fashion. I apologized for my relentless idiotic predictions but it obviously didn't satisfy some, and that's their prerogative (btw, PDiddy, this "disturbed jerk" is still interested in donating to your non profit which as I recall aims to promote fatherhood/fight against out of wedlock births--one issue we do agree on. I've asked before if you're willing to post the name of the charity, but if not that's understandable and no big deal).

To be continued...

Posted by: Barno1 | October 21, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

RESPONSE FROM BARNO PART II

There are other claims I vehemently disagree with, namely that I have a campaign against Jason Reid. While I have on a couple of occasions pointed out some things he's written that I have taken exception to, I have also complimented his reporting on numerous occasions, both on the blog and in email to him. I call it as I see it. He and I have had good back and forths, and he thanked and credited me for calling him out on his Mason preseason comments, and said he dedicated a blog item to explaining his stance on Mason thanks to my writing to him).

As for Jason La Canfora, I'll leave that one alone since he is gone now. I'll just say that I was far from alone in my stance on him.

Last but not least, as for Poop's repeated claims that I am the 2 fake poopies that are on Terp insider, all I can say is you can believe what you want, but that's not my style at all. Someone created a fake Barno account on here a while ago and was posting on Redskins Insider for months pretending to be me (he still pops up from time to time). I have no doubt at least some of resentment by Diddy and some others was built bc of some of the things that were said in that time by the fake Barno, but it's no big deal to me. I just feel those tactics are pretty damn cheap and again, I wouldn't do something like that.

I'm not running away from any of my actual comments, more than anything I am just crushed that the Redskins did not live up to them than anything else. I will always believe that this team could have been a good team had Thomas, and later Samuels, not gone down. But I don't think we'll ever get to find out. But I can take the heat and as I said before, feel free to continue to pile on me--I deserve it--and I expect Poopy and others will.

That's about it. Sorry for the book, there was a lot of ground to cover.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 21, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

jcnjcnj Maybe I was wrong in assuming that Russ Grim would bring some discipline to this team. But his recent stints with the Steelers and Cards (Super Bowls)suggests that he is doing something right! Most importantly, he would bring a true Redskin pedigree with him. I would guess that he knows the team colors. He was tough as a player, and someone who could handle Randy White could probably handle these prima dona players.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 21, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Barno, I'm kinda new to this post, so I don't know all of the history. You're entitled to your opinions, though at times you seem to go overboard. I'm a diehard fan too, but you have to be realistic. Do your thing, what's your favorite koolaid flavor? Live and let live.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 21, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

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