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Westbrook acquitted of DUI, other charges

Washington Redskins cornerback Byron Westbrook has been acquitted of charges of driving under the influence of alcohol. The verdict came Friday in Charles County District Court.

Westbrook was arrested Feb. 19 in Waldorf after a Charles County sheriff's deputy saw him driving erratically, the sheriff's department said. Westbrook was charged with driving under the influence of alcohol, driving while impaired, negligent driving and failing to stay on the right side of the road.

Westbrook pleaded not guilty and was acquitted on all counts. He cooperated with the NFL and the NFL Players Association during the case, according to his attorney Jim Farmer.

"Several things all added up to there just wasn't enough evidence to stop this guy because he wasn't violating any laws," Farmer said.

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 28, 2010; 1:36 PM ET
 
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Didn't even know this was going on. Man, talk about just making something go away. Rinehart needs to find out who Westbrook's lawyer is....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I am gonna assume there was no breathalyser involved. I still think we should make that boy a scat back.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 28, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I am gonna assume there was no breathalyser involved. I still think we should make that boy a scat back.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 28, 2010 1:58 PM
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He's played the role of his brother for the scout team many times every time we play the Eagles. If they thought he was anything close, I think they would have moved him - especially last year when they were, due to injury, so running back deficient.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

If they thought he was anything close, I think they would have moved him - especially last year when they were, due to injury, so running back deficient.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse
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We were also DC, OC, HC, and GM deficient, so, I dunno how much stock you can put into that.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 28, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I would like to take a run at Lions RB Kevin Smith. Maybe Smith and a draft pick or two for 350 pounds of scum.

Suh and Haynesworth would be a pretty serious defensive line.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 28, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KurtShanaman | June 28, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

people dislike Colt because he's not that good a player....fyi..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 28, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

If they thought he was anything close, I think they would have moved him - especially last year when they were, due to injury, so running back deficient.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse
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We were also DC, OC, HC, and GM deficient, so, I dunno how much stock you can put into that.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 28, 2010 2:08 PM
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Yes, but he did the same thing on the scout team when Gibbs was here. I think Gibbs was the one who started it. If Gibbs didn't see "IT", then "IT" probably wasn't there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

When one goes to the WaPo website, clicks on the sports tab, then the Redskins tab, it is pretty f'ed up to still have a Ravens player on the page. Is it too much to ask to replace with a Skin?
Let's see if the other cities papers that have an NFL team are keeping another teams player on their site for days and days.... pathetic and only in DC. 'dazed and confused'

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 28, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

When one goes to the WaPo website, clicks on the sports tab, then the Redskins tab, it is pretty f'ed up to still have a Ravens player on the page. Is it too much to ask to replace with a Skin?
Let's see if the other cities papers that have an NFL team are keeping another teams player on their site for days and days.... pathetic and only in DC. 'dazed and confused'

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 28, 2010 2:21 PM
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Last year we saw Edwin Williams' ugly mug for about six weeks.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

FOR ALL YOU COLT BRENNAN HATERS:
http://blog.redskins.com/2010/06/25/colt-brennan-reaches-out-to-a-fan-in-need/

Posted by: KurtShanaman | June 28, 2010 2:13 PM

Colt will get his shot this training camp. If Bartel beats him out then....

Posted by: TWISI | June 28, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Redskins In-Depth Chart: Interior Offensive Line
By Rich Tandler
Redskins Blogger
CSNwashington.com

As the Redskins gear up for training camp, I am going to put their depth chart under a microscope, position by position. I’ll look at how each position performed last year, what I expect to see in 2010, and my assessment of the confidence level going into the season. Today, we look at the interior part of the offensive line, guards and center.

Left guard
Starter: Derrick Dockery Confidence level: Medium to high
Backup: Chad Rinehart Confidence level: Low
Starter competition: None

2009 starters: Dockery (16 games)

Center
Starter: Casey Rabach Confidence level: Medium
Backup: Will Montgomery Confidence level: Low
Starter competition: None
2009 starters: Rabach (16)

Right guard
Starter: Artis Hicks Confidence level: Medium
Backup: Mike Williams Confidence level: Medium
Starter competition: Williams, who worked at right guard during OTAs and minicamps, will be given a shot to beat out Hicks, but there is an 80 percent chance that Hicks will win the job.

2009 starters: Randy Thomas (2), Rinehart (4), Mike Williams (6), Montgomery (3), Edwin Williams (1)

In the mix: Edwin Williams, Erik Cook, Kory Lichtensteiger

Outgoing: Thomas was released

Incoming: Cook drafted in 7th round (229 overall), Lichtensteiger signed as a free agent, Artis Hicks signed as a free agent.

2009 Review
Injuries and performance issues caused a combined 10 changes to the starting lineup at the tackle spots and at right guard. In contrast, Rabach and Dockery played every one of the 1,026 offensive snaps.

While the two anchored the line by showing up, neither was a standout performer. Dockery was a pretty good pass blocker, giving up just two sacks all year, but his performance while run blocking was substandard. Dockery is a large (6-6, 345) man, but he always has struggled with technique, often trying to use his size to clear out defenders rather than using leverage.

Rabach played on about the same level, as did Dockery. He also was better in pass protection than he was opening up holes for the running game. In particular, Rabach generally struggled against large nose tackles, but performed better against lighter, more athletic types.

The right guard position, on the other hand, was a model of instability. Here is the chronology of the changes at that position:

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 28, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Redskins In-Depth Chart: Offensive Tackle
Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 7:00 PM
By Rich Tandler

As the Redskins gear up for training camp, I will be putting their depth chart under a microscope, position by position. I’ll look at how each position performed last year, what I expect to see in 2010, and my assessment of the confidence level going into the season. Today, the series starts with a look at the offensive tackle position.

Left tackle
Starter: Trent Williams Confidence level: Medium
Backup: Stephon Heyer Confidence level: Low
Starter competition: None

2009 starters: Chris Samuels (5 games), Heyer (3), Levi Jones (8)

Right tackle
Starter: Jammal Brown Confidence level: High
Backup: William Robinson Confidence level: Very low
Starter competition: None

2009 starters: Heyer (13), Mike Williams (3)

In the mix: Selvish Capers, Clint Oldenburg

Outgoing: Jones was not resigned as an unrestricted free agent; Mike Williams has moved to guard

Incoming: Trent Williams drafted in first round (fourth overall), Selvish Capers drafted in the seventh round (231 overall), Artis Hicks signed as an unrestricted free agent, Brown acquired by trade.

2009 Review

Offensive tackle was a soft spot at the beginning of last season, and turned into an utter disaster area by midseason. The Week 5 injury to Chris Samuels exposed the organization’s failure to build any substantial depth at the position. Quarterback Jason Campbell paid the price as he was sacked 43 times and was either getting slammed, after releasing a pass, or running for his life much of the rest of the time.

Though Samuels was not quite showing his Pro Bowl form while he was in the lineup, he certainly was much better than what we saw at left tackle after he went out. In his three starts at left tackle, Stephon Heyer gave up four sacks, four hits, and five pressures.

It didn’t get much better when Levi Jones, signed off of the street in midseason, took over. In eight games, Jones gave up six sacks, 14 hits, and 18 pressures. Campbell would have had grounds to sue the Redskins for gross negligence.

Heyer was better on the right side although he still gave up four sacks and 25 pressures from there. Mike Williams--who started at right tackle the three games that Heyer moved over to the left side--demonstrated why he was unable to find work as an NFL tackle for three years by allowing three sacks in three games, and generally looking a full step too slow to handle even average defensive ends.

2010 Outlook

Clearly, Trent Williams and Jammal Brown as starters are an upgrade over anyone who manned the tackle positions in 2009. Whether or not they can emerge as bookends on a playoff-caliber line remains to be seen.

Williams is stepping into the pressure cooker as a rookie, starting at the second-most important position on an NFL team. He is scheduled to line up against Justin Tuck, DeMarcus Ware,

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 28, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I honestly believe that Kareem Moore is going to beat out Doughty for the right to play alongside Landry.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 1:42 PM

May the best man win and I don't have a preference between the two...but what do you base this honest belief on?

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 28, 2010 1:50 PM
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From what I have seen in the preseason, Moore has better coverage skills. I would give the better tackling skills to Doughty, which is why he is a better strong safety, but if I want a guy playing deep protect, then Moore is my guy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

FOR ALL YOU COLT BRENNAN HATERS:
http://blog.redskins.com/2010/06/25/colt-brennan-reaches-out-to-a-fan-in-need/

Posted by: KurtShanaman | June 28, 2010 2:13 PM
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Gee, I really don't hate Colt so much anymore... wait, no I don't.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

A little something for sjks and giggles because I know you just can't get enough: http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/rich_tandler

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 28, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

From what I have seen in the preseason, Moore has better coverage skills. I would give the better tackling skills to Doughty, which is why he is a better strong safety, but if I want a guy playing deep protect, then Moore is my guy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:34 PM

I have been surprised that the Skins didn't bring in another true free safety. Maybe Lendy Holmes is making the necessary improvement in his second season.

Posted by: TWISI | June 28, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

He's played the role of his brother for the scout team many times every time we play the Eagles. If they thought he was anything close, I think they would have moved him - especially last year when they were, due to injury, so running back deficient.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

What that guy above said about Zorn not being a talent evaluator, shoot I would trust RI's old Talent Evaluator over Zorn and Vinny.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 28, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

He's played the role of his brother for the scout team many times every time we play the Eagles. If they thought he was anything close, I think they would have moved him - especially last year when they were, due to injury, so running back deficient.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

What that guy above said about Zorn not being a talent evaluator, shoot I would trust RI's old Talent Evaluator over Zorn and Vinny.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 28, 2010 2:46 PM
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My followup to that was Westbrook also played scout team running back when Gibbs was coach, and Gibbs never felt compelled to give him a shot at running back, either. I agree with you that Zorn and Vinny weren't world's greatest talent evaluators.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

From what I have seen in the preseason, Moore has better coverage skills. I would give the better tackling skills to Doughty, which is why he is a better strong safety, but if I want a guy playing deep protect, then Moore is my guy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 2:34 PM

I have been surprised that the Skins didn't bring in another true free safety. Maybe Lendy Holmes is making the necessary improvement in his second season.

Posted by: TWISI | June 28, 2010 2:43 PM
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One OTA report I read said Lendy was struggling. They have a rookie in camp from Ohio State that might beat him out. That's if the team carries five safeties, which they might not. Current safeties that should make it are Landry, Doughty, Horton and Moore. A fifth safety might be a luxury but if the guy can play teams, he might stick...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Not one post about Westbrook...

Shows how meaningless he is to the team....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 28, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Why can't Haynes-worthless be caught drunk driving?

I guess there just isn't enough alcohol in cheeseburgers and ring-dings.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | June 28, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Bean, I'm one of those people who dislike Colt Brennan because he hasn't done anything to demonstrate he's capable of being a good NFL QB and because I can't shake my suspicion that there was something to the sexual assault charge smoke which finished his career at Colorado.

Good luck to him in the backup QB competition this season and all, though...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 28, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

beantowne

(The Olde English spelling gives your screen name a lil Old World class.)

To Wit:

"....how about the implosion that is TBay??"

Indeed, the Rays are showing what happens when a low-rent franchise's hopes and dreams are built on the sandy foundation of youth and speed:

In the face of pressure, things fall apart.

Now is when the Rays could use the money players that teams like the Sawx and Yanks pay well to sit on the bench until the right time.

The AL East battle is a September thing as there are a ton o' of head to head Yanks v. Sawx v. Rays battle after Labor Day.

Meantime, we hope Team Boston is good and healthy.

'Cuz Team Yankee will spend to be in good health.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 28, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"FOR ALL YOU COLT BRENNAN HATERS"


No one hates Colt Brennan.

It's just until he shows he can play and produce against A-1 competition, he is no different than any other 3rd string NFL player.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 28, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

moe, petey will be 6 weeks, can't think of a better post all star break get than getting him back.....same with beckett, and same with ellsbury.....not to mention that they'll also be trading for AGon, from SD to complete the process...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 28, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

No one hates Colt Brennan.

It's just until he shows he can play and produce against A-1 competition, he is no different than any other 3rd string NFL player.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 28, 2010 4:21 PM
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No, no, Moe. I hate him. He's a punk and think she should be given the quarterback job without a fight. They should broom him and give the job to someone who wants to work for it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

...and because I can't shake my suspicion that there was something to the sexual assault charge smoke which finished his career at Colorado.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 28, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse
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6 years of good behavior after leaving a environment which had problems bigger than Colt Brennan isn't enough to suspend judgment until he screws up again? That's cold.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 28, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't "hate" a man I never met, but I agree with Nate, any time a guy gets a sexual assault charge, I get nervous. Not saying he is guilty or no, I realize that some girls go making accusations for vengeance, but a smart man avoids those crazy chicks like the plague.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 28, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

hahahaha...Ya got nothing. Where's Brown when you need him.

Posted by: krystal_ball | June 28, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, msw, it's just lingering suspicion on my part... I realize it's unfair, but there it is. Being a small part of the problem at a place as royally screwed up as Colorado was back then doesn't excuse whatever happened.

Ah, hell, I hate our backup QB situation, which gives me the willies every time I think about it. Will our running game be strong enough to sustain this team if (gulp) Donovan misses time?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 28, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

That's the problem with depth charts -- Shanahan is looking for a rotation that plays more than one position. For instance:

Trent Williams: LT, RT
Derrick Dockery: LG
Casey Rabach: C
Artis Hicks: RG, RT
Mike Williams: RG, RT
Jammal Brown: RT, LT
Stephon Heyer: LT, RT

Looks a little different if you outline it that way. Now your emphasis is on finding someone who can back up effectively at both center and guard. Suppose Cook or Capers or both goes to the practice squad -- who else do you pick? Or maybe there's a versatile C/G sub that gets cut by Houston, San Francisco, Denver, anybody...

That's what camp is for. Maybe Heyer gets beat out, maybe Mike Williams does. Last season they gambled on Samuels and Randy Thomas staying healthy -- an unwise gamble, as it turned out. That's really what threw things off. This group is healthier, but still, it's a crapshoot as to who gets injured.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 28, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

What that guy above said about Zorn not being a talent evaluator, shoot I would trust RI's old Talent Evaluator over Zorn and Vinny.
Posted by: alex35332 | June 28, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse
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I lost all respect for Zorn when he released Jansen, given the lack of depth we had on the line. As slow as Jansen was off the ball, he's still head and shoulders above Heyer.

Posted by: clark202 | June 28, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

That's the problem with depth charts -- Shanahan is looking for a rotation that plays more than one position. For instance:

Trent Williams: LT, RT
Derrick Dockery: LG
Casey Rabach: C
Artis Hicks: RG, RT
Mike Williams: RG, RT
Jammal Brown: RT, LT
Stephon Heyer: LT, RT

Looks a little different if you outline it that way. Now your emphasis is on finding someone who can back up effectively at both center and guard. Suppose Cook or Capers or both goes to the practice squad -- who else do you pick? Or maybe there's a versatile C/G sub that gets cut by Houston, San Francisco, Denver, anybody...

That's what camp is for. Maybe Heyer gets beat out, maybe Mike Williams does. Last season they gambled on Samuels and Randy Thomas staying healthy -- an unwise gamble, as it turned out. That's really what threw things off. This group is healthier, but still, it's a crapshoot as to who gets injured.


Posted by: Samson151 | June 28, 2010 5:40 PM
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I think you're on to something, but I wouldn't say Heyer is a backup at LT nor Mike Williams is a backup RT. You've got to look at it as can the guy play for a few games at that spot, not just fill in for a few plays. I still would like to see a veteran tackle signed. Will Montgomery and Edwin Williams can be penciled in as center/guards. If Capers is good enough to keep, he won't land on the developmental roster. They would lose him in a second. I'm thinking he is the backup LT/RT and Heyer is on the bubble if a veteran is signed.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 28, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

anyone out there think Capers could possibly beat out Heyer for 1st backup T? that could be really important training camp battle.

i don't know how Capers has looked during OTA's 'cause all's we get is Haynesworth news (or i'm not that observant and missed it).

Posted by: terrapin3 | June 28, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

or 2nd backup T, that is.

Posted by: terrapin3 | June 28, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Williams is stepping into the pressure cooker as a rookie, starting at the second-most important position on an NFL team. He is scheduled to line up against Justin Tuck, DeMarcus Ware,

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 28, 2010 2:33 PM


Oh why stop, let's continue with the baptism of Trent Williams:

DeMarcus Ware- Dallas Twice

Mario Williams- Houston

Chris Long-St. Louis

Trent Cole-Philadelphia Twice

Cullen Jenkins-Green Bay

Dwight Freeney-Indianapolis

Julius Peppers-Chicago

Kyle Vanden Bosch-Detroit


Derrick Morgan-Tennessee

Jared Allen-Minnesota

Mathias Kiwanuka-Giants Twice

Stylez White-Tampa Bay

Aaron Kampman-Jacksonville

If Trent allows less than 8 sacks, we have a winner.

Posted by: abxinc | June 28, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Byron Westbrook's career was in jeopardy with these DUI/DWI charges. His attorney, James Farmer, is a top criminal and DUI defense lawyer in Maryland. He was acquitted of ALL CHARGES last Friday in Charles County.

Posted by: skinsandheels | June 28, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: abxinc | June 28, 2010 6:07 PM

Nice job..

The article went on to list that 10 of the 16 games he will be going up against All-Pros but I had to cut it off @ 3000 characters.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 28, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

RSH and i apparently have the same thoughts on the situation.

Posted by: terrapin3 | June 28, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

anyone out there think Capers could possibly beat out Heyer for 1st backup T? that could be really important training camp battle.

Posted by: terrapin3 | June 28, 2010 6:01 PM |

He has a good chance if what Chris Samuels says about is true. HE said that Capers(and Williams for that matter) have high football IQ. They correct their mistake quickly. He said that both were very athletic. Those are great tools to work with. Capers needs to get stronger and continue to work on his technique, and he could force Heyer off the roster.

Posted by: TWISI | June 28, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | June 28, 2010 6:22 PM

right? i figure this last draft was supposed to be so deep, the late-round guys would have gone higher in other years.

OL is coming around nicely.

Posted by: terrapin3 | June 28, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Any word out of camp regarding Cooke the the 7th round C/G prospect from New Mexico. At 6-6 he's probably more of a G, but he's pretty athletic and could be a good one.

Posted by: edvar | June 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | June 28, 2010 6:36 PM

nah, it's #92 all the time. no word on the biggest position group-turnover of the off-season.

Posted by: terrapin3 | June 28, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | June 28, 2010 6:36 PM

nah, it's #92 all the time. no word on the biggest position group-turnover of the off-season.

Posted by: terrapin3 | June 28, 2010 6:42 PM |

So I was posting off-topic?

D'oh!

Posted by: edvar | June 28, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

i thought i've had some good lawyers in my time, but Byron Westbrook's is the MAN.

Posted by: terrapin3 | June 28, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"T Williams is stepping into the pressure cooker....starting at the second-most important position on an NFL team. He is scheduled to line up against Justin Tuck, DeMarcus Ware,..."

The point that should mitigate your worry, though, is that he will face Brian Orakpo and Andre Carter--two very good rush ends-- every day in practice, so he should be ready.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 28, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

i thought i've had some good lawyers in my time, but Byron Westbrook's is the MAN.

Posted by: terrapin3 | June 28, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

For Real!!! I should put him on my speed dial. He was swerving and everything and didn't get even a night in jail, dudes better than Johnny Cockrain!

Posted by: monk811 | June 28, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"T Williams is stepping into the pressure cooker....starting at the second-most important position on an NFL team. He is scheduled to line up against Justin Tuck, DeMarcus Ware,..."

The point that should mitigate your worry, though, is that he will face Brian Orakpo and Andre Carter--two very good rush ends-- every day in practice, so he should be ready.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 28, 2010 6:53 PM

That's part of how great players are made. I remember Jansen shutting down Michael Strahan in the Swamplands the first time they met. T'was a good sign of things to come. Williams is just gonna have to step into the breach and man-up on those guys. Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

Posted by: edvar | June 28, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Today's Oddest Headline:

"No sex in space, says NASA commander: Astronauts too 'professional' for outer-space love affairs"


A brutha can't get no love in space?

All that coldness, all that darkness, all that watching women floating on their backs with little missionary control.

That's a problem for you and not Houston.

You can drink Tang, but not get any.

That's why I'd never want them to fly me to the moon as in space, the lack of sex means your rocket will never leave the launch pad.

3 women and 4 men will soon be in orbit far away from home, and should they want to get sum, it's only a problem for Houston.

They say they are all professionals while we weaklings on Earth complain that we are all only too human.

No sex in space is a giant leap no one would want to take for man or any other kind.

Get ground control on the phone as Major Tom is not amused.

(INSERT bad pun groans and shouts from Lisa_R or Risa_L about arrogant, pretentious bloggas who need to be rudely put in place.)

Heh--Heh!!

Finally, it looks like that space, the final frontier, will be the one place where a late night booty call just won't be answered.

We can go far into space and put a man on the moon, but not deep into a woman during the ride.

I guess this is why I'm not a rocket scientist: I'm not dumb enough to make the sacrifice.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 28, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Marko signed by the Vikes. Maybe he can actually make it to camp before he gets cut.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 28, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

beautiful day at home... 81 degrees, sun is shining, grass is growing.

assembled a hoop for the youngsters to shoot b-ball.

that is all.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 28, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Why can't Haynes-worthless be caught drunk driving?

I guess there just isn't enough alcohol in cheeseburgers and ring-dings.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended
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Good one

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | June 28, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Any word out of camp regarding Cooke the the 7th round C/G prospect from New Mexico. At 6-6 he's probably more of a G, but he's pretty athletic and could be a good one.

Posted by: edvar |

No word is worth much until these guys strap it up and start bumping into each other with malice. But the odds against someone taken so low being anything but a developmental project at best are long..

Posted by: TheCork | June 28, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

looks like the Marko Mitchell debate will rage on:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/28/vikings-claim-marko-mitchell/

Posted by: chrislarry | June 28, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Somebody really needs to punch the drunk loser at the Braves Nats game.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 28, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Marko mitchell is like so many pigeons who have neither the time nor the inclination to work for peanuts while strutting his stuff at the park. Monkey's power over the zoo keeper is one on successfully imitating Peyton Manning in an effort to impress visitors while humiliating handlers with his whimsical fecal antics.
Keep that on mind.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 28, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

SMACK- Are you referring to Desmond SS or to Morgan CF?

Possibly Dibble?

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 28, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Somebody really needs to punch the drunk loser at the Braves Nats game.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 28, 2010 9:20 PM

u nedde coale iths notiing for gore of miyir tin

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 28, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm referring to the f-face sitting near the braves.com sign behind the plate who was acting the ass all day.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 28, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

But your suggestions are also good.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 28, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

SMACK- Are you referring to Desmond SS or to Morgan CF?

Possibly Dibble?

Posted by: Diesel44

hey you naso bidand naicul lacaouec soof noceial djanuud-faaku und dee assoal prof. letoceoure!

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 28, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

S1- I thought you were referring to the reasons why the Nats can't field the ball.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 28, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

True. Why doesn't everyone just bunt, it'd be 45-0.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 28, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I stole this post:

"Marko Mitchell, he's no Anthony Mix."


Today's prediction:

Marko Mitchell will be soon coaching at a high school near you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 28, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"World Cup Ratings Certify a TV Winner"
By RICHARD SANDOMIR

The United States’ loss to Ghana was seen by 19.4 million people on ESPN and Univision — an audience as large as that for last year’s World Series.

It looks like the soccer folks might have some crow to passing 'round for folks to eat.

Me?: when it comes to eating crow, I'll pass.

I'm full of it already.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 28, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

monkeymayo-

Thanks and right back at cha.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 28, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 28, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

What? You know I don't speak Spanish...in English please! What? You pooped in the refrigerator?! And ate the entire wheel of cheese?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 28, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Trent Williams: LT, RT
Derrick Dockery: LG
Casey Rabach: C
Artis Hicks: RG, RT
Mike Williams: RG, RT
Jammal Brown: RT, LT
Stephon Heyer: LT, RT

Looks a little different if you outline it that way.
Posted by: Samson151 | June 28, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Indeed it does. We have a smidge more wiggle room if a starter goes down this year, but need a little something at backup C. I'm betting on at least one more veteran signing before preseason.

good post.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 28, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Byron Westbrook = Salisbury University Seagulls

Go Gulls!!!

love that (other) burgundy and gold!

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | June 28, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

That's the problem with depth charts -- Shanahan is looking for a rotation that plays more than one position. For instance:

Trent Williams: LT, RT
Derrick Dockery: LG
Casey Rabach: C
Artis Hicks: RG, RT
Mike Williams: RG, RT
Jammal Brown: RT, LT
Stephon Heyer: LT, RT


Posted by: Samson151 | June 28, 2010 5:40 PM


You sleep on Rabach...dude can play center AND both guard spots (he did so in Baltimore). Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him move to LG and playing Lichtensteiger at center...but I'll trust that Shanahan knows what he's doing playing Dockery.

Cue the "Brett Favre will make Marko Mitchell the next Sidney Rice" crowd in 3...2...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 5:33 AM | Report abuse

O-line looking better and better huh?

Posted by: camp_fodder | June 29, 2010 5:52 AM | Report abuse

For you Madden heads out there, it looks like some of the player ratings are starting to trickle out:

http://www.thesportsgameguy.com/1-football/1-madden-football/madden-nfl-11-player-ratings-top-players-at-each-position/

http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/videogames/blog/_/name/thegamer/


Pretty interesting that AH doesn't figure into the top 10 DTs on Madden this year, after posting a 99 last season. Orakpo is one of the better LBs with an 85 rating, and it looks like they totally slept on Cooley by giving him an 89. What's REALLY funny is that they have Laron Landry rated as the 5th best SS with an 87...what a difference a switch to SS makes, huh?

Damn, I can't wait for August 10th...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 5:33 AM | Report abuse

May be sleepin on Lichten____, but still think we need to bring in some veteran competition. I for one don't get the hating on Rabach. So he's not a stud, but he's solid and versatile. People that cry about how often he ended up in the backfield last year need to remember what was to the right and left of him.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 29, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Agreed RL...I'll never understand the Rabach hatred, especially when you compare him to the clusterf*ck of mediocrity that preceded him at center. An over-the-hill Cory Raymer, anyone?

It seems that a segment of the more ignorant fans tend to hate certain guys simply because they're not elite or great. I get the frustration of losing, I really do...but some stuff just needs a bit of common sense applied to it. And hating Casey Rabach for no other reason than "he's not Nick Mangold" is about as short-sighted as it gets.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

We can go far into space and put a man on the moon, but not deep into a woman during the ride.

I guess this is why I'm not a rocket scientist: I'm not dumb enough to make the sacrifice.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 28, 2010 7:22 PM
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Moe,
You got to think this thing through, my man. Anything that gets in the air in a weightless environment just floats around until it hits something it can stick on. Imagine pulling out early... suddenly the air is filled with tiny floating globules of your jiz. You want to go swimming in your own jiz?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Probably the only bunt anyone will remember was that guy trying to bunt on Strassburg last week. I've never seen a batter get knocked backward trying to bunt.

Posted by: dcsween | June 29, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse


You sleep on Rabach...dude can play center AND both guard spots (he did so in Baltimore). Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him move to LG and playing Lichtensteiger at center...but I'll trust that Shanahan knows what he's doing playing Dockery.

Cue the "Brett Favre will make Marko Mitchell the next Sidney Rice" crowd in 3...2...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 5:33 AM
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Rabach is a limited center. He can handle the little guys, but he gets blown away by the true nose tackles in the league. That has nothing to do with the guys around him. It just has to do with strength and leverage. There are only a handful of centers in the league that can handle a bull rushing nose tackle so Rabach has plenty of company. One thing Shanny is going to like about Rabach is his mobility. He will be able to get downfield into the second level. Even so, I would call Rabach just an average center.

As for Marko Mitchell, maybe Minnesota is just wanting to pick his brain about what Detroit is doing, but then again, maybe they have a strong desire to get another tall receiver. I struggle to name one of Minnesota's receivers right now, so maybe they need help...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

"I struggle to name one of Minnesota's receivers right now, so maybe they need help."


Two Viking receivers, right off the top of the head:

Percy Harvin

Sidney Rice

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 29, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

RSH, Minny has a decent group of WRs...Sidney Rice had a coming out party last year and Percy Harvin looks like he'll be a stud for years to come (if his migraines don't slow him down). Hell, I'd say that as a group, they're in better shape than Detroit. If anything, it says to me that Marko is little more than a training camp body at this point.

As for Rabach, I mostly agree with your assessment. As you said, most centers aren't built to handle NTs, as centers tend to be the smaller guys on the O-line. At his age he may be losing some of his strength and leverage, but I'm sure he makes up for that in experience and leadership. I think we could go another year or two with him there and be alright. I just don't get the idea that the team can just pull a starting center out of its ass...throwing some street FA or Edwin Williams out there is obviously and totally insane, yet some up here throw that out there. Unbelievable...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Ah, ya beat me to it Moe. Well done, sir.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Two Viking receivers, right off the top of the head:

Percy Harvin

Sidney Rice

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 29, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse
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Bernard Berrian too, correct? (my un-Googled answer)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Bernard Berrian too, correct? (my un-Googled answer)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse
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*Google-certified*

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

So basically, the Vikes have WRs.

And two teams without them have now cut Marko in the space of about 2 months.

Once the Vikes find out Marko doesn't play special teams, it'll be 3 teams in 3 months.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Sidney Rice

Percy Harvin

Bernard Berrian

All these guys are great receivers, but without B Favre, they are just 3 fast guys who catch well.

Santana Moss

Chris Cooley

Fred Davis

Devin Thomas

Four decent receivers who, now that D McNabb is in the house, should go from good to great.

And the addition of McNabb is why the skins will move out of the 'wilderness' of mediocrity.

Book it!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 29, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

I just don't get the idea that the team can just pull a starting center out of its ass...throwing some street FA or Edwin Williams out there is obviously and totally insane, yet some up here throw that out there. Unbelievable...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 7:51 AM
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I wouldn't make a permanent reassignment, but if a guy like Edwin Williams is the stronger center, and the Redskins are playing a team noted for a bull rushing nose tackle, maybe I let Edwin play the game - or at least play in certain situations...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Hope you're right, Moe...that reminds me of another guy the Vikes had last year: Greg Lewis.

Just the fact that I've even heard of this guy shows what McNabb can do for a young WR...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I'm fine if Edwin shows he's worthy of being in the rotation. I just don't like the idea of sticking a solid-yet-unspectacular veteran on the bench in favor of some undrafted kid who made the roster essentially by default. This ain't the Gibbs offense anymore...brute strength won't get you far if you're not athletic enough to play in the zone blocking scheme. Seems to me, guys like Edwin Williams and Derrick Dockery are on borrowed time here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I'm fine if Edwin shows he's worthy of being in the rotation. I just don't like the idea of sticking a solid-yet-unspectacular veteran on the bench in favor of some undrafted kid who made the roster essentially by default. This ain't the Gibbs offense anymore...brute strength won't get you far if you're not athletic enough to play in the zone blocking scheme. Seems to me, guys like Edwin Williams and Derrick Dockery are on borrowed time here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 8:22 AM
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You might be right. I haven't seen enough of Edwin Williams to know if he is mobile enough. I know the dude is strong.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

All these guys are great receivers, but without B Favre, they are just 3 fast guys who catch well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 29, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse
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On the flip side, in NY Farve was a great QB, but without WRs, he was a just an old guy who could sling it well.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

On the flip side, in NY Farve was a great QB, but without WRs, he was a just an old guy who could sling it well.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 8:32 AM


I'm not sure that's a fair comparison...Favre was hurt a good chunk of that year, plus he was clearly doggin' it for a year until he could force his way to Minny. The Jets weren't loaded at WR like the Cards or anything, but they weren't exactly awful either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

HAIL to the Baltimore Redskins, our no 52-Ray Lewis will be a beast this year!
Thanks to J.Reid and his ineffective staff for permanently embedding the picture of the newly acquired Ray Lewis in our memory.

Posted by: abxinc | June 29, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't make a permanent reassignment, but if a guy like Edwin Williams is the stronger center, and the Redskins are playing a team noted for a bull rushing nose tackle, maybe I let Edwin play the game - or at least play in certain situations...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse
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Oline performance is built on unit cohesion. You can't substitute like you do WRs. Or at least it hasn't been done in the past with much success.

This was why I was so frustrated at Zorn re-inventing the Oline every week last year. Sure, some of it was due to injury and unavoidable, but if it's a toss up between two (or even three) guys, then go with the most recent starter just to keep the unit together.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"I haven't seen enough of Edwin Williams to know if he is mobile enough. I know the dude is strong."


We have to remember that Williams was rated a Top 10 Center prospect the year of his draft.

The fact that we got him undrafted might be a steal in the making provided he had made the 'jump' many players go through between years 1 and 2.

Case in point: Derrick Dockery.

Dock had all the tools when he came to the team from UT, but had to put in work and study in order to become a fine NFL player.

We have to hope that both E Williams and C Rhinehart take that path.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 29, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

We have to remember that Williams was rated a Top 10 Center prospect the year of his draft.


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 29, 2010 8:42 AM


I'm not sure how impressive that is if there aren't 10 draftable centers. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not sure that's a fair comparison...Favre was hurt a good chunk of that year, plus he was clearly doggin' it for a year until he could force his way to Minny."


Kinda, sorta.

I think what happened in Minny is that Favre began to see things like the old baseball pitcher who realizes he's lost some speed on his fastball.

Favre went to New York thinking he was the Favre of old (gunslinger with the occasional INTs) and in Minny, he changed to play within himself knowing he had offensive playmakers and a rock solid defense as support.

How long he'll thirst for another ring is anyone's guess.

But I'd wager a bet that for the vikes, this is their year to be the team that plays an established AFC contender in the championship game.

Or else.

Vikes v. Patriots/Stillers/Colts?

Maybe.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 29, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Moe, if you remember Favre's year with the Jets, he started out strong and tapered off considerably the 2nd half of the year. He's since chalked that up to his shoulder injury, but I still think he specifically didn't go all out in NY because he knew he wasn't gonna be there long.

A big reason for his success in Minny last year was the fact that he had a better supporting cast and, as you explained, he played more within the offense than that "gunslinger" crap that he's been doing his whole career. But I tend to believe his "resurgence" has more to do with the former than the latter.

Not sure if I'm ready to proclaim the NFC property of Minnesota, as I have a sneaking suspicion Favre isn't done killing the Vikes with untimely picks in the playoffs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

My point was just that QB + WR combos are rarely one sided.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

We have to hope that both E Williams and C Rhinehart take that path.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 29, 2010 8:42 AM

My thinking is that Rhinehart will have some real difficulty making this team. I think the team needs a G/C combo guy, a G/T combo guy, and a T/T combo guy as a back up.

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I get that matt...it's kinda like that age-old "chicken or the egg" debate. But if you stop and think about it, it seems to me there's more QBs putting up numbers without elite WRs than there are elite WRs putting up numbers without an elite QB throwing the passes. A lot of people blame his age, but TO's numbers dropped quite a bit without a Pro-Bowl QB throwing to him last year. Yet guys like McNabb and Brady and McNair have put up numbers without the benefit of a clear-cut #1 WR.

So there's a little give and take with both, but it seems a bit slanted toward the QB being the more important entity, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if I'm ready to proclaim the NFC property of Minnesota, as I have a sneaking suspicion Favre isn't done killing the Vikes with untimely picks in the playoffs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse
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The Vikes put the ball on the ground 6 times, and despite recovering 3 of them, they still hampered scoring drives. Sure, they were in striking distance, so it's easy to put it all on just one critical swing, but in reality, the entire offense had a careless day.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

HAIL to the Baltimore Redskins, our no 52-Ray Lewis will be a beast this year!
Thanks to J.Reid and his ineffective staff for permanently embedding the picture of the newly acquired Ray Lewis in our memory.

Posted by: abxinc
Tthis is really unacceptable. Why have a Ravens player on the Redskiins site for days on end?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 29, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

HAIL to the Baltimore Redskins, our no 52-Ray Lewis will be a beast this year!
Thanks to J.Reid and his ineffective staff for permanently embedding the picture of the newly acquired Ray Lewis in our memory.

Posted by: abxinc
This is really unacceptable. Why have a Ravens player on the Redskiins site for days on end?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 29, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The Vikes put the ball on the ground 6 times, and despite recovering 3 of them, they still hampered scoring drives. Sure, they were in striking distance, so it's easy to put it all on just one critical swing, but in reality, the entire offense had a careless day.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 9:21 AM


You make a good point...but the fact of the matter is Favre will make boneheaded decisions in the clutch. He did it with that crazy pass at the end of the Saints game and made a moronic throw in coverage against the Giants in the NFC title game when he was a Packer. The guy isn't the all-time leader in INTs for nothing...

Plus I don't buy AP fixing his fumbling issues...instead of working on holding it high and tight, he's running around with a stupid medicine ball. Seems to me that's counterproductive at best...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Other than the improved play calling we will see next year, quarterback play will be much better.

I think what we will see more of is receivers being hit in stride.

How many long passes could have been easy TD's, if the receiver didn't have to adjust, or just stop, to catch the ball?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

How many long passes could have been easy TD's, if the receiver didn't have to adjust, or just stop, to catch the ball?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 9:45 AM

Alot. I wonder why this was?? Thoughts?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

How many long passes could have been easy TD's, if the receiver didn't have to adjust, or just stop, to catch the ball?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 9:45 AM

Alot. I wonder why this was?? Thoughts?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2010 9:49 AM

Maybe it was, um, what's his name? You know, that guy that isn't here anymore that shall remain nameless? Yeah, him.

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

How many long passes could have been easy TD's, if the receiver didn't have to adjust, or just stop, to catch the ball?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 9:45 AM

Alot. I wonder why this was?? Thoughts?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse


The past is the past. The future is now.

F 2009. Viva 2010!

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 29, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Damn, I can't wait for August 10th...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 6:43 AM |

I think its time you stepped up to All Madden son.
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I can see Moss potentially having a Desean Jackson type year with McNabb at the helm and him being able to stay healthy. The guy knows how to get open, and I'm sure he more then almost anybody else, will appreciate a QB that can get him the ball deep on a consistent basis.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 29, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I for one don't get the hating on Rabach. So he's not a stud, but he's solid and versatile. People that cry about how often he ended up in the backfield last year need to remember what was to the right and left of him.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 29, 2010 7:05 AM

Yeah, I've been one of his critics, and I still am until I see otherwise, but I don't hate the guy. I just see lots of room for improvement at this spot. He is at best an average center who gets blown into the backfield by big NT's so the QB has no place to step up. I don't see what's wrong with setting O line dominance as a goal.

Sure, we could do worse. We could also do a lot better. At his age (34) there is not much longterm upside, and it is reasonable to expect that he may struggle even worse with big NT's. Shanny and his gang think the guy can still do it, so I'm willing to wait and see.

Either way, we would be foolish not to look for a new solution in the next year or so. Maybe that solution is in camp this year, but who knows? That's what I am looking forward to the most - the preseason battles for position.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Warren Sapp to Albert Haynesworth: "Stop the B.S."

Posted by Mike Florio on June 28, 2010 9:51 PM ET

Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth has made no secret of his lack of interest in playing nose tackle in the 3-4 defense the team is installing. And while Haynesworth issued a statement last week regarding his intent to show up for training camp, most believe he's merely trying to protect his $26 million in bonus money.

So eventual Hall of Fame defensive tackle Warren Sapp has a message for Haynesworth.

"Let's stop the B.S., like we like to say," Sapp told Vic Carucci and Howard Balzer on Sirius NFL Radio over the weekend, via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post. "I mean, c'mon, son. You sat at the table. The people told you they had a very lovely check for you. . . . Albert Haynesworth, you took the check, now show up to the job, son. It's that simple. You take that kind of check. I mean, I'll flip dogs for you. I mean, c'mon, what you want me to do, you want me to return punts? I mean, what? C'mon. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it."

Sapp also thinks that the Haynesworth hype has been overblown, and that he's not a truly dominant player. "He's not consistent enough," Sapp said. "The numbers aren't there. I mean, I saw the four plays in a row playing the Atlanta Falcons when he was on the goal line, he looks like a manchild. Some of those games he was running, him and [Kyle] Vanden Bosch, they really had that defense rolling. He was playing the game the way it was supposed to be played.

"But you can't tell me that a man that has, what, [28] sacks in his life is one of the most dominant players to ever play this game."

Sapp's right. Haynesworth had two big years when chasing his contract. Now that he has his contract he wants to coast or, at a minimum, dictate the terms of his employment.

So add Sapp to the list of players who have called out Haynesworth. And when a player, current or former, finally supports Haynesworth, he'll likely be the first. And possibly the last.

****Sapp's 100% correct

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

F 2009. Viva 2010!

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 29, 2010 9:56 AM

I highly agree. Just joking around. It is Football in 'July' anyway, right?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Santana Moss

Chris Cooley

Fred Davis

Devin Thomas

Four decent receivers who, now that D McNabb is in the house, should go from good to great.

And the addition of McNabb is why the skins will move out of the 'wilderness' of mediocrity.

Book it!!

Posted by: MistaMoe

This is wishful thinking. Moss is on the downside of his career. As a small guy with knee problems his best days are behind him. Cooley and Davis are very good pass catching TEs but without wr threats they will find it difficult to get open. The wild card is Devin Thomas. If he can have a breakout year the receiving corp will decent to good. If the light does not go on it will be sub par. Keep in mind McNabbs numbers were good not great last year with a very good wr corp. He is also on the downside of his career. If he stays healthy and has a good year the skins have an outside chance of sneaking into the playoffs.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 10:09 AM |

The wild card in all of this is the running game. McNabb with a reliable running game could be very interesting, and it would certainly help our WR's.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

53 man Roster 1.0
Monday, June 21, 2010, 1:07 p.m.

By Ryan O’Halloran
When the Redskins open training camp July 29, fans who attend the practices better bring a roster. Familiar names are gone, either to other teams or into an unofficial retirement. Nearly 40 players have been acquired since Mike Shanahan was hired in early January.

The makeup of the roster will have a different look, and not just because there are so many new players. Shifting to the 3-4 defense means fewer defensive linemen and more linebackers.

But it's never too early to guess the 53-man roster.

In this first version, I have 23 players who weren’t on the team for last year’s opener – turnover caused by going 4-12, having an almost entirely new coaching staff and the end of the salary cap era. The adopted model is 25 players apiece on offense and defense and three specialists.

QUARTERBACKS (3)
Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman and Richard Bartel.
Analysis: One of the top competitions in training camp will be for No. 3 quarterback. Colt Brennan missed all of last year following hip surgery, and Bartel arrived from Jacksonville’s practice squad late in the season. Bartel gets the edge because he appears to have a stronger arm.

RUNNING BACKS (4)
Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Mike Sellers and Ryan Torain.
Analysis: Yes, Brian Westbrook and Willie Parker aren’t on the list. I didn’t consider Westbrook because he’s not here yet (and may not be here at all), and the Redskins should wait for the preseason to play out to see if a team panics and trades a draft pick for Parker. Another great sub-plot of camp is how the Redskins divide the reps and playing time between Portis, Johnson and possibly Parker.

TIGHT ENDS (3)
Chris Cooley, Fred Davis and Dennis Morris.
Analysis: Cooley and Davis are locks, and look for a lot of formations where both are on the field together and not necessarily at tight end. Kyle Shanahan is going to have fun exploiting matchups. Morris is a draft pick, and he must be doing something right because veteran Sean Ryan – signed in free agency – didn’t make it to the mandatory minicamp.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

53 man con't

RECEIVERS (6)
Santana Moss, Devin Thomas, Joey Galloway, Bobby Wade, Mike Furrey and Terrence Austin.
Analysis: What’s the fun without throwing a couple curveballs, which is why Malcolm Kelly isn’t included. He doesn’t play special teams – that’s why Wade, Furrey and Austin all make the team. Guessing this position is a crapshoot – Thomas is the No. 2 receiver behind Moss by default, and Galloway needs to show he can make it through camp. On his last Denver team, Mike Shanahan carried only five receivers (four active on Sundays), but Austin makes it as the sixth player if he has a good camp returning kicks.

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (9)
Casey Rabach, Derrick Dockery, Trent Williams, Artis Hicks, Jammal Brown, Mike Williams, Edwin Williams, Chad Rinehart and Selvish Capers.
Analysis: The starting group is set with Rabach, Dockery, Hicks, Brown and Trent Williams. There will be beaucoup competition for the remaining four spots. Will Montgomery and Edwin Williams are likely vying for one spot. Mike Williams makes it because he can play guard and tackle. Stephon Heyer may be going from 2009 starter to 2010 training camp cut, and Rinehart better have a good camp, too.

DEFENSIVE LINEMEN (6)
Phillip Daniels, Maake Kemoeatu, Kedric Golston, Adam Carriker, Vonnie Holliday and Howard Green.
Analysis: The prediction that Albert Haynesworth won’t be here is a pretty easy one, leaving Daniels/Carriker and Golston/Holliday to play the defensive end position on first- and second-down snaps. Kemoeatu (Achilles’) has to show he’s healthy enough to start at nose tackle. The Redskins take only six linemen because of players like Brian Orakpo and Andre Carter playing end when Jim Haslett shifts to a 4-3 or wants to get a solid pass rush on third down.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

This is wishful thinking. Moss is on the downside of his career. As a small guy with knee problems his best days are behind him. Cooley and Davis are very good pass catching TEs but without wr threats they will find it difficult to get open. The wild card is Devin Thomas. If he can have a breakout year the receiving corp will decent to good. If the light does not go on it will be sub par. Keep in mind McNabbs numbers were good not great last year with a very good wr corp. He is also on the downside of his career. If he stays healthy and has a good year the skins have an outside chance of sneaking into the playoffs.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 10:09 AM |

Parts of this post are very shortsighted. Because you think the wr's are mediocre the TE will have trouble getting open? Not so. CB's still have to cover the WR's, they rarely cover TE's. So it's still up to the safeties and LB's to cover the TE's, which is who has been covering them all along. If you think that doubling up a TE with a safety won't single up Santana and that Santana can't exploit that then I believe you are sadly mistaken. By the way, good TE's and WR's always find ways to get open regardless of the coverage.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

53 man con't

LINEBACKERS (10)
London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, Brian Orakpo, Andre Carter, Lorenzo Alexander, Jeremy Jarmon, Chris Wilson, Chris Draft, Perry Riley and H.B. Blades.
Analysis: Carter, Alexander and Jarmon move from the defensive line, so their transition will be interesting to monitor. Riley makes the team because he plays special teams; the same goes for Blades. The story at this position is how Haslett uses the players.

CORNERBACKS (5)
Carlos Rogers, DeAngelo Hall, Phillip Buchanon, Justin Tryon and Kevin Barnes.
Analysis: Haslett is extremely high on Rogers, who will report to training camp even though his restricted free agent tender remains unsigned. Hall will start opposite Rogers. Buchanon brings experience and could return punts. Tryon has developed since a tough rookie preseason, and Barnes returns after basically a redshirt rookie year.

SAFETIES (4)
LaRon Landry, Kareem Moore, Reed Doughty and Chris Horton.
Analysis: Landry was slowed by a toe injury this summer and also didn’t participate in some of the workouts. It’s expected the Redskins will try to find ways to get Landry, Moore and Doughty on the field at the same time. Horton makes the team, but could end up being the odd man out in terms of the rotation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

53 man conclusion

SPECIALISTS (3)
Graham Gano, Josh Bidwell and Nick Sundburg.
Analysis: The trio has no competition as of Monday, so as long as they don’t choke during the preseason games, they’ll stick. None of them were here at the start of last year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"And when a player, current or former, finally supports Haynesworth, he'll likely be the first. And possibly the last."

I believe that man's name is Deangelo Hall, the only athlete dumb enough to actually condone this type of behavior.

Posted by: psps23 | June 29, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

At his age (34) there is not much longterm upside...

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:00 AM


Of course there's not...and nobody's expecting there to be. All I spoke on is people who think that he needs to go, replacement options be damned. Edwin Williams is NOT a viable replacement. That's retarded. But I'm all for drafting his replacement and getting him in the lineup come 2011 or 2012.

That's the definition of guys where "you could do better, but you could also do worse". You keep 'em till you get someone better.

Just goes back to my assertion that the Redskins would have been better served last offseason by using the money they gave to AH to get Jason Brown at center and a couple of lesser-level DTs instead of parking the Brinks truck in front of the Haynesworth estate. But I guess saying "I told you so" won't fix a damn thing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

TIGHT ENDS (3)
Chris Cooley, Fred Davis and Dennis Morris.
Analysis: Cooley and Davis are locks, and look for a lot of formations where both are on the field together and not necessarily at tight end. Kyle Shanahan is going to have fun exploiting matchups. Morris is a draft pick, and he must be doing something right because veteran Sean Ryan – signed in free agency – didn’t make it to the mandatory minicamp.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 10:19 AM

On Sean Ryan being cut...there's another tight end no one is talking about that was mentioned as the main reason he was cut...Lee Vickers! Remember that name? Dude is listed as 6-6 275!! Might be someone to watch, eh?

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

MArques Hagans waived

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind McNabbs numbers were good not great last year with a very good wr corp. He is also on the downside of his career. If he stays healthy and has a good year the skins have an outside chance of sneaking into the playoffs.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 10:09 AM


First of all, if your TE/WR take was even remotely true, Tony Gonzalez wouldn't be a future HoFer...since, you know, he's never played with a big time WR until he came to Atlanta.

And I'm not convinced McNabb had a "very good WR corp"...Jackson seems legit, but we won't know about the rest for sure until we see them play without #5. Plus you ignore the fact that Philly didn't run nearly as much as the Redskins will...thus taking the pressure off McNabb to win games himself.

As I've said before...DMac will be fine. It's the supporting cast I'm more worried about.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Lee Vickers! Remember that name? Dude is listed as 6-6 275!! Might be someone to watch, eh?

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:26 AM


Yeah, if we're moving him to LB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The whole team will be fine. We are going to surprise alot of teams this year, starting with the groin shot we give Dallas week 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

MArques Hagans waived

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2010 10:30 AM

Had a weird feeling someone was getting signed today...maybe this clears the way? Later Marques. 2830 characters remaining, oh wait...

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 10:26 AM

I think you and I see this the same way then. I would have liked to seen an upgrade, but like you, am unwilling to just throw Edwin in there and hope for the best.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The wild card in all of this is the running game. McNabb with a reliable running game could be very interesting, and it would certainly help our WR's.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:17 AM

Not to harp on the past, but our former QB with a reliable running game was 6-2 under our former coach. Once the O-line fell apart and the running game disappeared, things went south fast.

So I agree with you, the formula for winning has not changed.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Lee Vickers! Remember that name? Dude is listed as 6-6 275!! Might be someone to watch, eh?

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:26 AM


Yeah, if we're moving him to LB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 10:40 AM

He-he, does sound like good LB material.

I think we've got some bruising blocking TE's, Mr. Vickers included. These guys might be what really gets the running game going. 2598 char...oh never mind.

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I think we've got some bruising blocking TE's, Mr. Vickers included. These guys might be what really gets the running game going. 2598 char...oh never mind.

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:46 AM

"bruising blocking TE's"? Say what? Davis and Cooley? Thank god they can catch is all I gotta say...

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I for one don't get the hating on Rabach. So he's not a stud, but he's solid and versatile. People that cry about how often he ended up in the backfield last year need to remember what was to the right and left of him.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 29, 2010 7:05 AM

Yeah, I've been one of his critics, and I still am until I see otherwise, but I don't hate the guy. I just see lots of room for improvement at this spot. He is at best an average center who gets blown into the backfield by big NT's so the QB has no place to step up. I don't see what's wrong with setting O line dominance as a goal.

Sure, we could do worse. We could also do a lot better. At his age (34) there is not much longterm upside, and it is reasonable to expect that he may struggle even worse with big NT's. Shanny and his gang think the guy can still do it, so I'm willing to wait and see.

Either way, we would be foolish not to look for a new solution in the next year or so. Maybe that solution is in camp this year, but who knows? That's what I am looking forward to the most - the preseason battles for position.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I think that Dallas game last year? where he had 2-3? holding calls in a row on the goal line changed a lot of peoples opinion on casey. Things like that stick out for a center, one of those positions you dont notice until he starts getting called out. rabach certainly wasnt the worst part of our line the past couple years(low point for me Heyer at LT, he should not be listed by anyone as a possible backup LT whenever I hear this it sends me to the floor in a fetile position). But the new regime has finally showed that being mediocre is not acceptable. I wouldn't be surprised if Edwin gets some starting snaps or even if Cook gets some looks being that he is Shannallens guy. Thankfully now we are spending draft picks on oline which leads to tough choices down the road. My guess is Casey is the clear favorite due to tenure ship but can be unseated if someone proves to be a better fit in the scheme.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 29, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Lee Vickers! Remember that name? Dude is listed as 6-6 275!! Might be someone to watch, eh?

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:26 AM

About 25lbs away from playing tackle in Shanny's offense.

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 10:26 AM

I think you and I see this the same way then. I would have liked to seen an upgrade, but like you, am unwilling to just throw Edwin in there and hope for the best.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Likewise for me. I'd still be up for signing a vet or two to compete for reserve and see what sticks, but future drafts for a keeper/starter.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 29, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"bruising blocking TE's"? Say what? Davis and Cooley? Thank god they can catch is all I gotta say...

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:51 AM

Not talking about them. Vickers, Morris, etc. These guys will see the field more than you think...I think ;)

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

yeh. Do I really need to know when I'm approaching 3000 SJKing characters?! I mean, who am I? Sign Chris Cooley?!

And since we're talking TEs - do we have one capable of a Pancake? Yoder had some weight to throw around... but who now?

And on a related note - how do we feel about the FB?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 29, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Not talking about them. Vickers, Morris, etc. These guys will see the field more than you think...I think ;)

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:55 AM

I hope you are right. I think Morris is gonna be an H-back/FB type and less of a TE. He's gonna be fun to watch.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"The wild card in all of this is the running game. McNabb with a reliable running game could be very interesting, and it would certainly help our WR's.Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:17 AM"

Yes, it is. It certainly made a difference for an aging John Elway.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Not talking about them. Vickers, Morris, etc. These guys will see the field more than you think...I think ;)

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 10:55 AM

I hope you are right. I think Morris is gonna be an H-back/FB type and less of a TE. He's gonna be fun to watch.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 11:00 AM

Right on, should be fun. I guess if DeMo is blocking his a$$ off they can call him whatever they want.

I don't know jack about Vickers, but I believe the Shannies brought Ryan in because they had some history with him, and if Ryan didn't even make it out of minicamp Vickers must be kickin some tail!!

I must have it bad if I can get jacked up over blocking tight ends in June!!

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Parts of this post are very shortsighted. Because you think the wr's are mediocre the TE will have trouble getting open? Not so. CB's still have to cover the WR's, they rarely cover TE's. So it's still up to the safeties and LB's to cover the TE's, which is who has been covering them all along. If you think that doubling up a TE with a safety won't single up Santana and that Santana can't exploit that then I believe you are sadly mistaken. By the way, good TE's and WR's always find ways to get open regardless of the coverage.

Posted by: scampbell1975

If the corners don't require help covering the wrs, which with the current group is a distinct possibility, it will not force the safeties to vacate the middle of the field. The Tight ends will have LBs underneath and safeties over the top. Most decent CBs will not require help covering Moss at this point in his career. He is not a true #1. If Thomas does not step up this is an average at best group.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Why hasnt Vickers stuck with anyone yet Steelers, eagles, ravens, steelers again, giants now us...what gives???

Posted by: Stu27 | June 29, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

If the corners don't require help covering the wrs, which with the current group is a distinct possibility, it will not force the safeties to vacate the middle of the field. The Tight ends will have LBs underneath and safeties over the top. Most decent CBs will not require help covering Moss at this point in his career. He is not a true #1. If Thomas does not step up this is an average at best group.


Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 11:09 AM |

Like I said, it will be up to LB's and safeties to cover the TE's, which good TE's will find ways to beat. Cooley has been doing it his whole career.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 29, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"The wild card in all of this is the running game. McNabb with a reliable running game could be very interesting, and it would certainly help our WR's.Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 10:17 AM"

Yes, it is. It certainly made a difference for an aging John Elway.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:03 AM |

My point exactly. McNabb is no Elway, but I don't remember him having much of a rushing attack lately to help take some of the load off.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I must have it bad if I can get jacked up over blocking tight ends in June!!

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 11:09 AM |

A little rain in the desert.

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The receivers will be fine. God, I'm sick of all the gloom and doom talk.

If you don't think the team is any good, then go root for the f*cking Ravens.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

If the corners don't require help covering the wrs, which with the current group is a distinct possibility, it will not force the safeties to vacate the middle of the field. The Tight ends will have LBs underneath and safeties over the top. Most decent CBs will not require help covering Moss at this point in his career. He is not a true #1. If Thomas does not step up this is an average at best group.


Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 11:09 AM |

Like I said, it will be up to LB's and safeties to cover the TE's, which good TE's will find ways to beat. Cooley has been doing it his whole career.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 29, 2010 11:14 AM |

Of course this whole discussions assumes nothing of the running game. Another way to open up receivers and TE's is to run the ball effectively. Play action with an effective running game will open up TE's more than anything else. Keep those LB's and strong safeties coming to the line and your TE's destroy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 29, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Most decent CBs will not require help covering Moss at this point in his career. He is not a true #1. If Thomas does not step up this is an average at best group.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

What? Moss has been double teamed ever since he's gotten here. And now all of a sudden he's slowed down so they won't double team him? What have you seen the past year that leads you to make such a ludicrous claim? And Shanny said he looked great in OTA's. Check your facts man.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 29, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to have a good running game JUST TO HAVE A GOOD RUNNING GAME...

...but the QB connection would be good, too.

Riddle me this, tho: Does the Shanahan system rely on running to open the passing? or visa versa? I seem to remember the latter.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 29, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Hey, let's hope Moss gets single coverage. Easy 6!

Posted by: edvar | June 29, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Moss is still a certified blur.

He was fast last year, will be fast this year.

He hasn't lost a step, he was just constantly doubled in a bad scheme, with a whack QB overthrowing him.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Yes, it is. It certainly made a difference for an aging John Elway.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:03 AM


I think this is the most underplayed part of this Shanahan/McNabb marriage...everything that people are saying about McNabb now (can't win the big one, he's old and in decline) is verbatim what people were saying about Elway 15 years ago. What changed? Shanahan came along and put a team around Elway instead of asking him to win games all by himself.

Two SBs later, people gush that Elway's the greatest of all-time.

I'm not saying McNabb = Elway, but Shanahan will do the same thing here. Whether or not it has the happy ending it did in Denver remains to be seen, but I'd venture to say you'll see McNabb's passing yards and attempts go down and his completion % and QB rating go up.

It's completely laughable to me when people say "Shanahan can't win a SB without Elway". Seems to me, Elway couldn't win one without Shanahan.

Hopefully, Shanny will add Donovan McNabb to the list of "old QBs" that he put in the winner's circle...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

yeh. Do I really need to know when I'm approaching 3000 SJKing characters?! I mean, who am I? Sign Chris Cooley?!

And since we're talking TEs - do we have one capable of a Pancake? Yoder had some weight to throw around... but who now?

And on a related note - how do we feel about the FB?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 29, 2010 10:55 AM
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See Paulsen, Logan. He was such a beastly blocker in college that some NFL teams were thinking of drafting him to become a tackle.

As far as the fullback, Morris, I think Shanny would put him in place of Sellers today. Maybe Sellers moves to tightend? Sellers has hands of stone where this guy Morris can get open and catch the ball.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind McNabbs numbers were good not great last year with a very good wr corp. He is also on the downside of his career. If he stays healthy and has a good year the skins have an outside chance of sneaking into the playoffs.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 10:09 AM


First of all, if your TE/WR take was even remotely true, Tony Gonzalez wouldn't be a future HoFer...since, you know, he's never played with a big time WR until he came to Atlanta.

And I'm not convinced McNabb had a "very good WR corp"...Jackson seems legit, but we won't know about the rest for sure until we see them play without #5. Plus you ignore the fact that Philly didn't run nearly as much as the Redskins will...thus taking the pressure off McNabb to win games himself.

As I've said before...DMac will be fine. It's the supporting cast I'm more worried about.

Posted by: brownwood26

I think McNabb will be fine as well. Just pointing out that McNabb is not the make something out of nothing guy he was earlier in his career. He is still very good and an upgrade over campbell but the supporting cast is not as good as what he had in Philly. Jackson and Celek were pro bowlers. The oline is better. It will be interesting to see how they perform without McNabb. I just don't see how people can project the current group of receivers to all of the sudden become awesome. Gonzalez is the best tight end to ever play the game. He had 70 receptions each year except for the years in which he played with Dwayne Bowe and Roddy white. Both are legit #1 receivers. In those years AG's receptions went up by 20. Early in his career AG also benefited from one of the best running games in football. They had a great oline and backs with Holmes and Larry Johnson. Most of the years AG averaged in the 70's with about 7 TDs. That is great for a TE but certainly does not cover for a weak wr crew. Moss was 29th in yards, 27th in Catches and not even worth ranking with 3tds. For as bad as people want to say Campbell was last year he threw for more yards than McNabb and two less TDs. If Moss were a good to great receiver he would have had more than 70 catches.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

..It's completely laughable to me when people say "Shanahan can't win a SB without Elway". Seems to me, Elway couldn't win one without Shanahan...


Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 11:31 AM

Shanahan won 2 SBs in 4 seasons with Elway, and exactly 1 playoff game in the entire decade after Elway retired.

Judge for yourself.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Moss is still a certified blur.

He was fast last year, will be fast this year.

He hasn't lost a step, he was just constantly doubled in a bad scheme, with a whack QB overthrowing him.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 11:29 AM
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I don't buy that. He's slowing down. His yards per catch have been dropping since he left New York, through a few different QB's on the Redskins roster (so don't blame it all on Campbell). I'm not saying he is done, but I am saying he is not the same receiver he used to be. I still think he's plenty fast, but he is a little guy, and he can be bumped off his route. And let's not forget that he was in the top ten for dropped passes a year ago:
http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html


Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I don't buy that. He's slowing down. His yards per catch have been dropping since he left New York, through a few different QB's on the Redskins roster (so don't blame it all on Campbell). I'm not saying he is done, but I am saying he is not the same receiver he used to be. I still think he's plenty fast, but he is a little guy, and he can be bumped off his route. And let's not forget that he was in the top ten for dropped passes a year ago:
http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html


Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Of course his YPC is low. Zorn never ran any deep routes, just those lame 5 yard routes.

If it wasn't that it was the smoke screen pass to Moss.

He's not going to break off 17ypc doing that.

Trust me Shanny will know how to use him, and McNabb will hit him in stride so he can run afterwards.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

RSH, you do realize the people at the top of those lists are the best in the game. completely pointless.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 29, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan won 2 SBs in 4 seasons with Elway, and exactly 1 playoff game in the entire decade after Elway retired.

Judge for yourself.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 11:37 AM


Elway won 2 SBs with Shanahan as his coach, and exactly ZERO before Shanahan came along.

See how it works?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Moss isn't a true #1 WR because of his lack of size but if you leave a corner on an island with him all day he is beating them 80% of the time. Keeping his legs healthy and not having him suspended are the only things to worry about.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 29, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

@ brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 11:48 AM


Why can't both be true? They're not mutually exclusive. Shanahan couldn't win a SB without Elway, and Elway couldn't win a SB without Shanahan.

But Elway's retired, and Shanahan's still coaching. We have to hope that trend doesn't hold.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

RSH, you do realize the people at the top of those lists are the best in the game. completely pointless.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 29, 2010 11:47 AM
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I disagree. Think how much offense was left on the ground because of dropped passes. And, his diminishing YPC is a fact, as well. Show me your facts for why he isn't slowing down and why he is going to be a beast this year. BTW, I am not saying he is awful. I am just saying he isn't all that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Moss isn't a true #1 WR because of his lack of size but if you leave a corner on an island with him all day he is beating them 80% of the time. Keeping his legs healthy and not having him suspended are the only things to worry about.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 29, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If lack of size has anything to do with it, then was Marvin Harrison not a true # 1?

If Moss beats coverage 80% of the time, doesn't that make him a number 1?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Moss was 29th in yards, 27th in Catches and not even worth ranking with 3tds. For as bad as people want to say Campbell was last year he threw for more yards than McNabb and two less TDs. If Moss were a good to great receiver he would have had more than 70 catches.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Umm, I think you're wrong.
A. Alot of the time JC didn't even have time to get the ball to Moss because he was on his back.
B. Moss was still getting doubled.
C. JC was going more to his backs and TE because of the insufficient time in the pocket and also bad habits. McNabb threw the ball ALOT more downfield and wasn't going against prevent defenses as much as JC.

"If Moss were a good to great receiver he would have had more than 70 catches."

Really? And you're basing this off Zorn/Sherm offense huh, since it was so prolific. Check Moss's stats the year before when the O line was decent and Zorn hadn't got completely stupid. To say a WR is slowing down based off the horrible offense they were in last year is way off base.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 29, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. Think how much offense was left on the ground because of dropped passes. And, his diminishing YPC is a fact, as well. Show me your facts for why he isn't slowing down and why he is going to be a beast this year. BTW, I am not saying he is awful. I am just saying he isn't all that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse
Have you seen the Eastern Motors commercial in which he races a Lambo?

He says he runs a 4.3 40 and then beats the Lambo off the line.

What other facts do you need?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Moss isn't a true #1 WR because of his lack of size...

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 29, 2010 11:48 AM


Steve Smith says hi...

Oh, and BEEPS

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone literally know what Moss's times are? Since we're not actually talking about those, I'm guessing they're not abundantly available and therefore not that awesome.

Thx for the info RSH. Morris will be the man, eh? I had(have?) my problems w/ Caveman, too - but I'm not convinced he's done.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 29, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Dude seriously that is some stupid ish. Just look at the other namess at the top of that list. If you saying he is comparable to those players then i guess he is a #1. Because with exclusion of larry fitz and andre J this list has all the best players in the game at the top.

whatever point you were making was undone by that link.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 29, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

if speaking of Moss, then the 2009, and 2008 seasons need to be thrown out the window because of the lack of offensive game plan, adjustments, scheme....things of that ilk...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Elway won 2 SBs with Shanahan as his coach, and exactly ZERO before Shanahan came along.

See how it works?

Posted by: brownwood26

Not sure how many playoff games Elway won but he took them to 3 Super Bowls before Shanahan. That is at least 6 or 7 wins vs the 1 playoff win for Shanahan post Elway.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

What? Moss has been double teamed ever since he's gotten here. And now all of a sudden he's slowed down so they won't double team him? What have you seen the past year that leads you to make such a ludicrous claim? And Shanny said he looked great in OTA's. Check your facts man.

Posted by: ga8085

When have you heard a coach come out and a say a player looks like crap in OTAs or at any other point? Never.

Marvin Harrison is no longer in the league because when you are a small player and your game is based on speed you become average when you lose a step. Moss has been battling knee problems for years now and you don't think he lost a step? He also does not have Reggie Wayne across from him with Manning throwing to him. Steve Smith's numbers are beginning to tail off as well at 31. The other thing is when was Moss ever a top flight wr? He had one great season in 2005. Everyone is acting like he is a perennial pro bowler that requires double coverage.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"Several things all added up to there just wasn't enough evidence to stop this guy because he wasn't violating any laws," Farmer said.
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Right.... He weaved accross the center line and failed a field sobriety test so there was no evidence at all.

Posted by: ozpunk | June 30, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

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