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Some teams play depth game better than others

As we reported this morning, the Redskins' starting lineup will see some changes this weekend against the Broncos. While it's easy to focus on the absence of running back Clinton Portis (doubtful, concussion) and safety Chris Horton (out, toe), it's difficult to overstate what it means for the offensive line to undergo yet another shuffling of faces.

With tackle Mike Williams (ankle) out for two to four weeks, the Redskins will field their fifth different offensive line of the season Sunday against the Broncos. Stephon Heyer will return to right tackle, and Levi Jones, whom the Redskins signed Oct. 20, will be the starting left tackle. That means Washington will have a guy charged with protecting quarterback Jason Campbell's blind side who was unemployed and looking for work at this time a month ago.


Okay, so there's no point belaboring the fact that the Redskins' line is an ever-changing patchwork quilt of fail. And while we often talk about how important it is to have consistency from the line and good chemistry among linemen, I thought we should try to illustrate this fact, so I peeked at the starting offensive lines of the league's top teams this season. It won't surprise you to learn that theirs haven't undergone as many changes as the Redskins'.

So remember: Redskins, 2-6 record, about to use their fifth starting line of the season, 28 sacks allowed through eight games (No. 30 in the NFL).

The league's top teams:

Colts (8-0), 3 different starting lines, seven sacks allowed (tied No. 1 in NFL)
Saints (8-0), 2 different lines, 12 sacks (tied No. 5)
Vikings (7-1), 2 different lines, 18 sacks (tied No. 16)
Steelers (6-2), 1 line, 23 sacks (tie, No. 25)
Cowboys (6-2), 1 line, 17 sacks (No. 15)
Patriots (6-2), 2 different lines, 10 sacks (No. 3)
Broncos (6-2), 3 different lines, 13 sacks (No. 7)
Bengals (6-2), 3 different lines, 12 sacks (tied, No. 5)

Obviously teams shuffle their lineups for different reasons. Teams like the Saints and Vikings have fielded two different starting offensive lines, but both have used the same unit for seven of eight games. Among the top teams, I didn't notice any lines that had to put two Week 1 starters on the injured-reserve list, as the Redskins have done.

"When you lose some quality players, it's always going to be a drop-off," Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, said a couple of weeks ago.

The good teams limit that drop-off and manage to have talent ready to step in. While Washington has struggled to find capable backups and has been picking through the league's retreads, other teams have fared better in maintaining their depth. In fact, last Sunday the Colts shuffled their starting line for a second time this year, starting Kyle DeVan at right guard for the first time.

So who's Kyle DeVan? Glad you asked. He's a 6-foot-2, 306-pound guard who was an undrafted free agent. He last played for the Boise (Idaho) Burn of Arena Football2. So there is some talent out there, if you know where to look. Last year, DeVan spent a bit of time on the New York Jets practice squad. An Oregon State product, DeVan never heard his name called in the 2008 NFL Draft.

It was the Redskins who originally signed him on May 1, 2008, but he didn't last long with them. Washington waived DeVan on July, 9, 2008, when the team agreed to terms with Chad Rinehart, its third-round pick.

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*REPOST*

If you gamble on NFL games, just pick the team that has a better QB. You will win 70+% of the time

Posted by: Vicc


If you are a college student, you can pay your tuition using this gambling method.
*trust me*

Posted by: Vicc | November 7, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

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I sincerely doubt that you do well in Vegas because you clearly do not know football or least today's version.


Posted by: periculum | November 7, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse


`
Hey Peri,

Why don't you test my theory and see?

Look at this past weeks games and look at the two QB's that play against each other.

Big Ben beat Kyle Orton(check)

Romo beat D. McNabb(check)(they're almost even)

P.Rivers beat Eli Manning(check)

V.Young beat Alex Smith(check)

Matt Hasselbeck beat Stafford(check)

Tom Brady beat Chad Henne(check)

Drew Brees beat Jake Delhomme(check)

Josh Freeman beat Aaron Rogers(Miss)

D. Garrard beat Matt Cassel(toss-up)

Matt Ryan beat Jason Campbell(check)

Kurt Warner beat Jay Cutler(check)

Carson Palmer beat Joe Flacco(check)

Peyton Manning beat Matt Schwab(check)

You see that Perineum? Using my formula to pick games works and I called that sh!t before the games were played. J@CK@SS!

Posted by: Vicc | November 10, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | November 10, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Any1 here want to take an all expense-paid trip to Vegas?

Posted by: Vicc | November 10, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Steelers 28
Doncos 10

Pittsburgh gave us the blueprint for whipping these guys. Now all we gotta do is follow the plan. Piece of cake. 3-6 here we come!

Posted by: League-Source | November 10, 2009 6:42 AM


Hate to ruin the party (oh, who am I kidding...I don't mind), but the Skins don't have the horses (no pun intended) to stop the Broncos. The Steelers and Ravens have a couple of things the Skins don't:

-A quarterback
-A steady ground game
-An offensive line
-A playcaller not yet on AARP whose head is on the OUTSIDE of his ass
-A defense/special teams capable of not only taking the ball away, but taking it back for 6.

So unless the Redskins pass on LJ and acquire those things between now and Sunday, don't count on anything less than a 24-17 loss. Because, you know, 17 points is where this offense draws the line.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

I am so tired of seeing and hearing Theisman and Riggins.......GO AWAY! You had your day in the spotlight.

Posted by: gixxer998 | November 10, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Mayor,
Good points. There is definitely offensive line talent out there if a team is actively engaged in trying to find it. I do not believe Vinny and crew are actively engaged in trying to find offensive linemen. I have said it before and I will keep on saying it: the Redskins have the laziest front office in the NFL. Any other team with the Redskins' depth problems would have a steady stream of offensive linemen auditioning at Redskins park. Right now, with Mike Williams out, Heyer on his last legs and a left tackle starting for the first time this season, the front office seems content to sit back and hope nothing else goes wrong. The team desperately needs another offensive tackle to throw into the mix. Throwing Batiste in there at tackle when someone goes down with injury is as good a strategy as carrying five running backs on the active roster. If Rhinehart is not a keeper, then cut him and sign a tackle. Put Hunter Smith on the injured reserve and sign an offensive lineman. The Redskins are at the point where they just need big bodies because the players they have are shakey and injury prone.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Want to jump back to a previous post and person who said Smootie should play safety. Totally agree. He can tackle and has always played like a Redskin. He's lost his cover skills, but could be reborn at safety. LL Fool Ole! needs to sit... now

37 and 27 should be our safeties.

Posted by: TokyoHail | November 10, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

rsh, agreed on rhino, however they have to play him in order to determine if he can do the job or not, which is what I don't get. Obviously this season is done, they're not going anywhere, so what is the point of NOT putting him in the lineup?? When he was in there he wasn't anymore of a sieve than Heyer, or MWilliams, so I'm not sure what the issue is?? They were running to the right, so he was getting a push in the run game. Its baffling to me the decisions this team/JZ make...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Per a team source, the Redskins are not interested in adding running back Larry Johnson, released by Kansas City on Monday morning.

Jim Zorn acknowledged during his press conference today that Johnson was brought up in a staff meeting but stopped short of saying there was an interest. He cited that the need is "immediate" in the wake of Clinton Portis' head injury that could keep him out of Sunday's game against Denver.

Really, this makes sense for the Redskins. It would be stupid for them to put in a waiver claim because that means they would absorb Johnson's franchise running back-like contract. And if he cleared waivers, the Redskins don't have a big need at running back because Ladell Betts filled in nicely yesterday.

It wouldn't make sense for Johnson either. If he hits the open market and a team with realistic playoff hopes has a need, he can go there, sign a minimum salary contract (a la DeAngelo Hall here last year) and end the year with some of his reputation back.

If the Redskins do add a running back, it will probably be Quinton Ganther, who was cut last week

Good news....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Dagger, Rick. Way to sneak the punch in at the end.

Posted by: filmjoy | November 10, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse


-A playcaller not yet on AARP whose head is on the OUTSIDE of his ass

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2009 7:42 AM

Thanks for the good laugh.

Posted by: SonofNero | November 10, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I have said it before and I will keep on saying it: the Redskins have the laziest front office in the NFL.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 7:54 AM

You really think that's the problem? I'd bet money that the scouting and player personnel people have been crying with frustration because Vinny and the Danster accept their reports with a smile, and then toss them in the shti can as soon as they're out the door.

Posted by: SonofNero | November 10, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Ken Houston
Sean Taylor
Brig Owens
Brad Edwards
Mark Murphy
Ryan Clark
Reed Doughty
LL FoolOle

Which one doesn't fit the Redskin safety mold?

Posted by: TokyoHail | November 10, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again, I am going to abstain for commenting to much...
We do have depth at every position, we have had many injuries we have not been able to overcome.
This again, is a playoff contender roster - no matter what you people say. Injuries happen, depth is being tested as we speak, Portis will break the redskins rushing record and we will be pround of letting him having it. Stop the nonesense.

Posted by: Incognito00 | November 10, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

"It was the Redskins who originally signed him on May 1, 2008, but he didn't last long with them. Washington waived DeVan on July, 9, 2008, when the team agreed to terms with Chad Rinehart, its third-round pick."

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tears

Posted by: Salinas1 | November 10, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

We do have depth at every position,

Posted by: Incognito00 | November 10, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse
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Please name the depth at LT, LG, C, RG, & RT.

Posted by: Salinas1 | November 10, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

The Riggo and Joe T video is solid. When Sonny and Sam retire and Dan Snyder is no longer involved, I would like to see those two doing the radio broadcasts.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 10, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Please name the depth at LT, LG, C, RG, & RT.

Posted by: Salinas1 | November 10, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Hey, if there is one thing you can say its that every lineman we have on this team (who is not on IR right now), is a proven backup.

Now by that I mean they have all proven they should be backups, and not necessarily in this league.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 10, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"That means Washington will have a guy charged with protecting quarterback Jason Campbell's blind side who was unemployed and looking for work at this time a month ago."


You are suggesting that somehow this is unusual?

(INSERT sarcasm)

Look on the bright side, or, from Jason Campbell's side.

He might get a sympathy pay raise just behind the beating his behind has taken this season.

Campbell has been hit more than a washed up porn starlet.

I bet each time someone picks him up from the ground, he hears, "Cha-Ching!!!"

He'll get re-signed to a nice deal, all due to the FO's failure to rebuild the o-line on the fly over the past two seasons.

His incentives will be based on hits to the head versus hits to the ground versus hits that don't result in fumbles or his not complaining about the lack of protection he receives.

They'll call it the "Black and Blue" Clause in his next contract.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse


All we have is the past now, so how about we vote on an all-time Redskin OL. Here are my votes:

LT -- Jim Lachey. A case could be made he had the greatest year ever for an OL, protecting the blind side of an immobile QB, allowing just one sack and no holding penalties for an entire season going up against the likes of Dent and Haley.

LG -- Russ Grimm. 'nuff said

Center -- Len Hauss edges Bostic

RG -- Mark Schlereth. Damn he was good.

RT -- Joe Jacoby. Movin' JJ over here, though he could play LT, LG, and RG on any other all time OL team as well.

Your thoughts?

RT --

Posted by: TokyoHail | November 10, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

....zzzzz.....

Posted by: mattylight | November 10, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Your thoughts?

RT --

Posted by: TokyoHail | November 10, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Please just copy and paste the Hogs

Posted by: alex35332 | November 10, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

2009 Denver Broncos = 2008 Washington Redskins.

Came into the season under the radar, won a few big games early and caught a few breaks, but then got exposed on national TV by the Pittsburgh Steelers in a beatdown at home.

Limited offense, limited QB, expect them to tank the 2nd half of the season, much like our beloved Skins did last year...

Posted by: mattylight | November 10, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I have said it before and I will keep on saying it: the Redskins have the laziest front office in the NFL.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 7:54 AM

You really think that's the problem? I'd bet money that the scouting and player personnel people have been crying with frustration because Vinny and the Danster accept their reports with a smile, and then toss them in the shti can as soon as they're out the door.

Posted by: SonofNero
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Nero,
We're on the same page. When I say front office, it is code for Vinny the Weasel. I am sure there are good people in the scouting department, but how would we know if Vinny doesn't get off his duff and get them doing stuff - or refuses to listen to them when they do make recommendations?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

rsh, agreed on rhino, however they have to play him in order to determine if he can do the job or not, which is what I don't get. Obviously this season is done, they're not going anywhere, so what is the point of NOT putting him in the lineup?? When he was in there he wasn't anymore of a sieve than Heyer, or MWilliams, so I'm not sure what the issue is?? They were running to the right, so he was getting a push in the run game. Its baffling to me the decisions this team/JZ make...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

I posted something yesterday on this. It would seem to me that politics are very involved in the roster. Cerrato wants Zorn to play his 2008 draft pics and other guys he's picked up. Zorn is basically not wanting to comply with this as he is not fond of Vinny. The team is in shambles from the tippy top to the below sea level bottom. There arent starting guys who should be starting. They arent benching guys who should be benched. And its not going to change (this season at least).

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 10, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I am sure if asked why not pick up or sign some OL talent Mr. Cerrato, he will respond, " there just isn't much out there. We have to go with the guys we got cause they know the system. any new guy would have to be brought up to speed and therefore his performance would suffer." OK well I bet you that Runyan could come in and play better than Batiste or Heyer, Kendall or Fabini would be better than Rinehart or Montgomery. Why on earth did we cut Bridges. He starts in Arizona now if I'm not mistaken. Jesus, this Cerrato has to be fired. If not you can expect much of the same next year. That, more than anything else is numero uno on my offseason wish list.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"It would seem to me that politics are very involved in the roster. Cerrato wants Zorn to play his 2008 draft pics and other guys he's picked up."

Yeah, this is a little obvious.

And beyond that, the decision to let tackle/guard Jeremy Bridges go in order to keep Mike Williams around seems doubly stupid.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

OK well I bet you that Runyan could come in and play better than Batiste or Heyer, Kendall or Fabini would be better than Rinehart or Montgomery.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 9:14 AM

Here's how RI works: If he signs any of these guys he's "going for the quick fix instead of developing young talent." If he goes with young guys then he's an idiot.

This season is lost, isn't it? What difference does it make whether we finish 2-14 or 4-12? At 4-12 we get slightly worse draft picks.

If we sign anyone, I'd rather it be a marginal young guy off someone's practice squad than any of these over-the-mountain-and-sinking-fast guys.

Posted by: League-Source | November 10, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I think some of you guys on here could run the team better than Snyderato. I mean come on, how did we get stuck with this guy. Atlanta has never had back to back winning seasons ever (according to Moose Johnston) and they are a better franchise than the Redskins now. I wonder, if the little sh*t could have just let Marty be, how good we may have become.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

This season is lost, isn't it? What difference does it make whether we finish 2-14 or 4-12? At 4-12 we get slightly worse draft picks.

Posted by: League-Source | November 10, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Yeah you are right. The season is over. I would rather have the better draft selection. Its just tough to watch them suck it week in and week out. It's hard to watch the FO not make any moves to make us better. But maybe this is the way to go. Lets see if these guys can play. 8 games to go. Maybe 1 can prove that he should stay.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

It would seem to me that politics are very involved in the roster. Cerrato wants Zorn to play his 2008 draft pics and other guys he's picked up."

Yeah, this is a little obvious.

And beyond that, the decision to let tackle/guard Jeremy Bridges go in order to keep Mike Williams around seems doubly stupid.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

If I had to guess why Zorn is going with Montgomery over Rhino is that the 2 guys are about the same in practice. So this justifies Zorns decision (at least doesnt give Vinny any ammo) and is Zorns way of "sticking it to the man". I would like to think Zorn has the team in mind still even in this decayed state, but it just doesnt add up. Sooo many dumb decisions on who is active, who starts, who returns punts. It is un f'ing believable that Rhino is sooo bad, he cant even be activated as a back up on Sundays. I watched the guy when was playing. He wasnt getting blown up like some of these other guys starting now.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 10, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I love Riggo and Joey T!!!!! (F new school)

Posted by: chrislarry | November 10, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Trouble is, at least from a purely financial perspective -- signing anyone else through the remainder of this season is simply throwing good money after bad.

In essence, Snyder and Cerrato have already sunk all the money that they care to into this year’s version of the Dudskins -- and see no value whatsoever in continuing to throw away good money on this lost season.

The team stinks – pure, simple and inarguable. Some have even observed that it's in probably the team's longer term interest to lose out through the remainder of this lost season -- if only to secure some higher draft picks in the off season. So I bet there are probably a few folks in the Redskin front office already rooting for a 2-24 season -- if only to give Dan and Vinny the privilege of screwing up a top 5 draft pick.

Besides, since every seat in the stadium is already sold through the end of the year -- more player salaries will only generate additional costs but no additional income.

And fundamentally, that's why we are saddled with a coaching staff that is outclassed at every turn and clueless about event the most basic fundamentals of the game, but apparently irreplaceable with anyone better. If you bring in a new coaching staff, and you still must pay the old one, why bother?

That's also why we are saddled with a useless excuse for quarterback, a piss-poor offensive line, a prima donna running back who can't be bothered to do much more than (maybe) dress out on Sundays, pass receivers who can't be bothered to run their routes, etc. etc.

From a purely financial standpoint, there's nothing to be gained by spending so much as another dime on this year's version of the Dudskins. The salaries are obligated, the tickets are sold, and whatever will be, will be.

There's a reason why this particular franchise is the most lucrative in all of professional football -- despite the team's sustained and continuing record of disappointingly poor performance on the field.

Dan Snyder most certainly knows this, and intuitively, so do you.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 10, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

CORRECTION:

(My dyslexic fingers betrayed me again)

So I bet there are probably a few folks in the Redskin front office already rooting for a 2-14 season -- if only to give Dan and Vinny the privilege of screwing up a top 5 draft pick.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 10, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

sign no one. It wont matter. Let the scrubs play and see if anyone emerges from the muck. Save resources for the new regime (oh please oh please oh please!!!)

This season is done, go young and see if any of these mofos has even a drop of heart/pride/professionalism/honor/integrity/grit/talent/ability/fight/get up and go-ness....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 10, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

vic, I can honestly say that with everything that has been written about VC being tied to the outcome of the team this year, combined with the current state of the team, I strongly feel that VC will not be in the war-room come april of next year, now I've been wrong before, but my gut tells me that this can't continue in its current manner, and DS knows this....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

OH NO! BG can you please go on record as saying Vinny will be kept, I would feel so much better if you did.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 10, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

TOKYOHAIL: Don't forget the McKenzies,Terry Hermeling,Jim Snowden et al.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 10, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

vinny will be kept, and cl will win the lottery...haha...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Guys, I think Rhino gets mauled by some of the bigger defensive tackles and he cannot get the push needed for the running game. Montgomery holds his ground at the point of attack better - he has a lower center of gravity and he uses his leverage well. Plus, Montgomery also gives them a player that is a little more versatile, capable of playing center and guard. Rhino has some trouble with confidence, and I think the best thing is to let him go. The Redskins desperately need another offensive tackle. Remember last year against Baltimore when the team had Geisinger starting at left tackle because Samuels and Heyer were down with injuries? Does anyone remember how ugly that got? Moving Batiste in that spot has already proved to be less than optimum. The only reason he didn't get thrown to the wolves on Sunday was because by the time he came in the Falcons were already on top and calling off the dogs. Had he been in there form the start, we would have been ripping him today for being pathetic. Heyer is gimpy, BMW is out, and LJ is a player known to be injury prone. Has the front office done the math on this?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Blaming this year and this OL on injuries is a joke. Samuels and Thomas are nice players, but are 32 and 33, past their primes, and are more likely to suffer major injuries than younger players. It's the job of the "GM" [sic] to foresee such injuries and build some depth into the roster. But it's hard to do that when you have no cap space and no youth due to a decade of hare-brained decision making.

Posted by: jksesq1 | November 10, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

rsh, they need to play cr, to find out if there is talent there that can be worked with......if they don't play him, they don't know what he can do...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Imagine you are Jason Campbell and you are sitting in the film room today when the coaches outline the situation:

"So, we're going to go with Levi at left tackle. he hasn't played a down all season but he slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night... I think he'll be okay.

"Mike Williams is out so we are moving Heyer to right tackle. Heyer has been a little gimpy and is not moving so well, but we rubbed a little dirt on it... I think he'll be okay.

"Fred Davis is going to be starting at tight end. He is not much of a blocker but he will be chipping guys to try to slow them down - if he doesn't try to jump over them... I think he'll be okay.

"Jason, you're a little gimpy as well. The trainers say you will be okay as long as you don't do any scrambling. Just stay in the pocket and hit the open receiver... I think... I think you're doomed."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Sonny J said he VC is tied to the teams success. If that dude says something like that, I get the feeling the Dannys gona sink Vinnies battleship.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 10, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

rsh, they need to play cr, to find out if there is talent there that can be worked with......if they don't play him, they don't know what he can do...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1
-------------------------------------------Bean,
Normally I would agree with you, but I think they are just exasperated with Rhinehart. If you have two years with Joe Bugel as your coach and you have not shown progress, I think the jury has a decision... This guy is not a keeper. It is not just Montgomery in front of him. Batiste is a guard as well and he's starting ahead of Rhinehart. Rhino's done. Stick a fork in him. Send him to the waiver wire. Wish him well with his next team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

the recipe for success against Denver has to start with getting the running game going, and I think there could be a modicum of success in this regard as well....run the ball, throw screens, stop the up the field progress of the Broncs, and roll JC out of the pocket...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"Jason, you're a little gimpy as well. The trainers say you will be okay as long as you don't do any scrambling. Just stay in the pocket and hit the open receiver... I think... I think you're doomed."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 9:56 AM

Good one. Don't forget:

"Randle El, we don't think Jason and Todd will make it into the third quarter so we're going to be giving you most of the snaps with the first team this week."

Posted by: League-Source | November 10, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"Braves on the warpath"......Our run to APRIL #1 couldn't have come at a better time. No cap next year.

On defense in 2010:

We need a SEAN TAYLOR replacement at FS, if that is at all possible, a CARLOS ROGERS and FRED SMOOT replacement at CB, a BRIAN ORAKPO OLB replacement, and unless we can light a fire under ANTHONY MONTGOMERY, a DT replacement.

Assuming VINNIE "The bag-man" is still in the organization - a BIG if, I might add - the draft will once again be tilted toward the defense, so with a top five pick in every round but the third, we should be able to get four guys that will make our D air-tight. Then we will be able to draft top five again in 2011 for the offense because doing the same as the past two drafts, namely ignoring the o-line, will assure us of another group of top five picks in each round.

Offense in 2010:

Ignore the o-line in the draft - again, and bring in LEVI JONES to replace CHRIS SAMUELS. Oh, they already did that. Great, LT problem now solved. As VINNIE said last week, "we did something for the o-line." Go get the top FA left and right tackles in '10 and kiss MIKE WILLIAMS goodbye, LEVI JONES to back-up LT. Move STEPHON HEYER back to RT back-up. Put D'ANTHONY BATISTE back at LG where he belongs behind DOCKERY. WIL MONTGOMERY continues to develop at RG and back-up C. RINEHART is cut, EDWIN WILLIAMS takes his place. The savior RANDY THOMAS returns to ALL-PRO stature again. And voila, the o-line is now dominant.

MARKO MITCHELL takes RANDLE EL's place on the roster and in the line-up. EL becomes back-up because 'SKINS can't move his contract. FRED DAVIS is cut for missing catchable passes which are routinely returned for touchdowns. MALCOLM KELLY finally puts DEVIN THOMAS out of his misery and the line-up. CHRIS COOLEY reclaims his starting TE slot. TODD YODER becomes #2, and LORENZO ALEXANDER becomes #3 TE. SANTANA MOSS has an ALL-PRO year.

JASON CAMPBELL survives JIM ZORN who does not and leads the REDSKINS on the warpath with a franchise busting scoring season in his new seventh offense-season in nine years. CP runs for another 1300 yards and LADELL BETTS gets older. ROCK CARTWRIGHT comes back for a ninth season, and a FA kicker gives the boot to SUISHAM. MEANWHILE, HUNTER SMITH heals up and finally gives the field position advantage to the REDSKINS. ETHAN ALBRIGHT rolls on as the 'red-snapper." Ah, I can't wait for nirvana to arrive in the form of the 2010 season.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

This is how bad it is: I just said to myself, "Damn! We lost Mike Williams for 2-4 weeks!" Mike freaking Williams.

It was a bad joke when we signed this guy, back when the roster spots were plentiful. And then it turned into a running bad joke, when he was dropping weight. And then the guy actually made it onto the roster, which made it seem like the coaching staff was in on the joke, or conversely that they were too dense to see that it was a joke. And then he was starting, which slingshot things from joke to a severe tragedy. And now he's hurt, and things are so bad that I'd somehow come to see him as a good-enough lineman. Which I think in total adds up to tragicomedy.

The Mike Williams Situation has to be the most glaring example of roster mismanagement, for this year anyway. How we entered the season relying on this guy to lead our O line depth... good grief.

How's about you guys just keep punching me in the stomach, Danny and Vinny.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

If you have two years with Joe Bugel as your coach and you have not shown progress, I think the jury has a decision

he played in 2 games....2.....not to mention that I'm not sure that buges has it too much these day's....so I'm just not sure that we know what we have in this guy....not to mention that when he did play, he faired well, so there you go...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

RSH, L-S, don't forget "And I know you know this, Jason, but you shouldn't count on Mike Sellers to make all his blocks either. I can't stress this enough. He's a fullback so you don't expect it. Every few passing downs there will be a guy coming free where Sellers was supposed to be. I know it's not always easy to tell when there are so many guys coming at you unblocked, but on any given play one of those guys is probably Big Mike's."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 10, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

LEt me get this straight.....

JReid SLAMS Heyer saying he shouldn't start because he was an UNDRAFTED OLINEMAN and they shouldn't start....

Then, the same JReid points to some dude we had for a hot second saying we should have kept him, because he is a gem of an UNDRAFTED OLINEMAN?

If he was to make the Redskin team, he would have gotten mocked the same way as Heyer and edwin williams, and BMW, and such as.......

SMDH

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Okay so Jason is done bashing the O-line but I guess it's okay for Rick to pick up the slack? Whatever. It is an interesting analysis.

Posted by: RambleOn | November 10, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Landry's hit on Ryan was such a Dirty Pirate Hooker move. ...

Posted by: sfskin | November 9, 2009 7:13 PM

You say that like its a bad thing. "Arrrrr ... you want me to peel you a grape?"

Also, I have no idea who Quinton Ganther was in college, but I'm all about tryouts for the re-building year. I'm prepared to do what Parcells did in Miami -- roster purge and bite the bullet for a year. Let as much of the crop rise to see who is going to be the cream. Let EVERYONE know that they are playing not just for a starter position, but that they are playing for their JOBS for next season.

Back to Landry ... Skins need a free safety.

Ideally, however, Plan A should still be the one where The Owner takes the team to L.A. ... D.C. goes without football for a season (giving the Caps, the Wiz, United, and the Nats an extra serving of love for a season), then start completely fresh.

I've decided on my ownership structure too. Majority shareholder (51%), that guy who runs Southwest Airlines (or his protege) ... someone who REALLY DOES put the customer first in new and creative ways ... someone who gets beyond the "this is how its done" and looks for "this is how to do it better." Someone for new traditions and a new, better game day experience. Minority shareholder (49%), the Green Bay model ... season ticket holders and those waiting in line to buy shares ... persons only (no corporate ownership). The D.C. area has a much bigger and wealthier fan base than Green Bay.

That's my plan ... back to Landry ... Skins need a new free safety in the worst way ... O.J. Atogwe.

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

If he was to make the Redskin team, he would have gotten mocked the same way as Heyer and edwin williams, and BMW, and such as.......

SMDH

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 10:15 AM

It's because they're bad 4th.

Posted by: mack1 | November 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Look, from the moment the Redskins thought Fat Mike Williams was qualified to be on the opening roster...that was the moment this season was doomed. It showed these guys are morons of the highest order. So when you go from Fat Mike to Levi Jones, it might actually be an improvement. At least Levi Jones started 10 games last year.

Posted by: tundey | November 10, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Cooke was a kinda predaceous real estate shark, but at least he knew how to field championship teams (the Lakers and Skins) and could throw a mean party (till his Bolivian bimbo blew out a gasket in his 80 year old ****)..Skins will not be a decent team as long as Snidely holds the reins and continuously drives it over a cliff, year after year (the memory of him jumping up and down in the locker room after beating the Eagles last year, screaming, "WE'RE PHYSICAL!! WE'RE PHYSICAL!!"..whatta dweeb..)..The Ravens play more to my dark gothic sense anyway, I guess..Plenty of different ways to get your NFL jones on, but it is depressing being a Skins fan..

Posted by: frak | November 10, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I am so tired of seeing and hearing Theisman and Riggins.......GO AWAY! You had your day in the spotlight.

Posted by: gixxer998 | November 10, 2009 7:46 AM


Right, because the new school players are doing such a bang-up job...

You'd be surprised how far into the background those guys go if a champion played here in the present day. The good news for Riggo and Joey T is that the Skins probably won't win another Super Bowl in their lifetime.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

It's because they're bad 4th.

Posted by: mack1 | November 10, 2009 10:28 AM

My point is....In the famous words of Coach Spurrier...
Hindsight is 50/50....meaning what he's saying now is totally irrelavant.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Source: Keep an eye on the Pats and Larry Johnson
Posted by Mike Florio on November 10, 2009 10:05 AM ET
When the Chiefs cut Larry Johnson, we mentioned that a source had previously told us Patriots coach Bill Belichick wouldn't want a guy like Johnson around.

Now that Johnson is available (if he clears waivers), the same source now tells us to keep an eye on the Pats.

Of course, the Patriots will only have a shot at Johnson if none of the lower-tier teams submit a waiver claim.

And the only way one of the lower-tier teams will have any chance at Johnson will be to submit a waiver claim.

If Johnson hits the open market, he'll never choose to sign with a bad team. He wants to play and play well as he chases a contract on the open market in what likely will be an uncapped year.

The best recent example of this phenomenon comes from the team that cut Johnson. Last week, the Chargers released receiver Chris Chambers. And the Chiefs, who likely would have had no shot at signing him as a free agent, squatted on his contract via waivers.

With Chambers in the final year of his contract, he contributed two touchdowns in his first game, on a short week.

So if the Redskins or any other team on the wrong side of .500 wants Larry Johnson, the clock is ticking. Once 4:00 p.m. ET rolls around, Johnson will be aiming more for the penthouse -- and Bill Belichick's desire to win a fourth Super Bowl title could be strong enough to persuade him to put Johnson on a one-strike arrangement like the one under which Randy Moss was operating in 2007.

The possibility that Johnson will land with the Patriots now makes us wonder whether another team might make a waiver claim for Johnson in the hopes of blocking his path to New England.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Pats may save Snyder from himself (you know he's the one that wants LJ)...from PFT:

Source: Keep an eye on the Pats and Larry Johnson
Posted by Mike Florio on November 10, 2009 10:05 AM ET
When the Chiefs cut Larry Johnson, we mentioned that a source had previously told us Patriots coach Bill Belichick wouldn't want a guy like Johnson around.

Now that Johnson is available (if he clears waivers), the same source now tells us to keep an eye on the Pats.

Of course, the Patriots will only have a shot at Johnson if none of the lower-tier teams submit a waiver claim.

And the only way one of the lower-tier teams will have any chance at Johnson will be to submit a waiver claim.

If Johnson hits the open market, he'll never choose to sign with a bad team. He wants to play and play well as he chases a contract on the open market in what likely will be an uncapped year.

The best recent example of this phenomenon comes from the team that cut Johnson. Last week, the Chargers released receiver Chris Chambers. And the Chiefs, who likely would have had no shot at signing him as a free agent, squatted on his contract via waivers.

With Chambers in the final year of his contract, he contributed two touchdowns in his first game, on a short week.

So if the Redskins or any other team on the wrong side of .500 wants Larry Johnson, the clock is ticking. Once 4:00 p.m. ET rolls around, Johnson will be aiming more for the penthouse -- and Bill Belichick's desire to win a fourth Super Bowl title could be strong enough to persuade him to put Johnson on a one-strike arrangement like the one under which Randy Moss was operating in 2007.

The possibility that Johnson will land with the Patriots now makes us wonder whether another team might make a waiver claim for Johnson in the hopes of blocking his path to New England.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

That's my plan ... back to Landry ... Skins need a new free safety in the worst way ... O.J. Atogwe.

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 10:23 AM

Brandon Poole?

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

OH NO! BG can you please go on record as saying ...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 10, 2009 9:41 AM

Mid season check in:

Ladell Betts (WAS): 26 carries, 91 yards, 3.5 average yards/carry, 1 TD

Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG): 103 carries, 515 yards, 5.0 average yards/carry, 4 TDs

Also, 4th Floor, I completely agree with your take down on the selective bash facts in The Mayor's post (comparing the current situations of Levi Jones/Kyle DeVan, and the lack of love for Heyer). The Mayor has gone JLaC on us in only a few short months.

Here's what happened: The Skins went into Deep Shabingus mode because they lost in Week One and just got deeper and deeper into a swagger deficit.

Here's what I think: The Mayor smelled blood in the water and started going for the easy media bash meme rather than the honest dissection regarding the swagger deficit.

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

twis, I can't see that happening, the pats have 5 rb's on their roster already....I mean, I just don't see the need, but who knows I guess.....as long as its not with the Redskins, I don't care where he goes...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

How is Shawn Springs doing in NE? Has he been injured? Why does Belichik and company always seem to squeeze the last quality drops out of older, experienced pros? If they get LJ, I bet you he plays good. Just going to a team with a good chance to win each week probably gets the juices flowing.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Redskinhead

If you have two years with Joe Bugel as your coach and you have not shown progress, I think the jury has a decision...

I have an issue with that statement, I think the game has passed Bugel by, to be perfectly honest. How come other programs in the league can swap OL in and out and not miss a F'n beat, cuz of coaching, IMO. I am not sure that Buges heart is in it...one of my most favorite coaches on the skins, have had him over for dinner when I was a kid over 10 times, guy is awesome, but I think this team needs a complete makeover, coaches and all...when the team is not getting pumped up at all, it starts at the top, obviously Snyder is going nowhere and who knows on Cerrato, but I think we need some coaching changes as bad as we need player and FO changes. Our OL is continuously CRAP, whether or not they draft people correctly or not, I would think BUGES would have a say in who to draft OL wise or at least who makes the team and who doesnt???

I love the guy, but we need a change. Looks at the Bengals, easily the most retarded front office in a long time, long time - hence the name Bungals, yet they can still develop poor draft picks and work with undrafted FA.

Changes is needed all the way around, players, coaches, FO

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The skins should bring in some local Pop Warner coaches to teach the basic fundamentals of tackling. It's obvious that either the coaches are stressing it or some players don't give a damn. So it's time to get back to the "Pop Warner" basics. Next week's lesson will be "blocking" taught by George Starke and Russ Grimm.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 10, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

It's going to take another year of this for Dan to do anything close to what needs to be done.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 10, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"So there's some talent out there, if you know where to look." How true...how true.
So, since we don't have any talent, neither in the starting 22 nor certainly in their replacements, one can only assume that whomever is responsible for selecting the players, 1) does not know where to find them, or 2) does not know how to judge talent.
Wonder who that person could be..??

Posted by: scmonty1 | November 10, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The Riggo and Joe T video is solid. When Sonny and Sam retire and Dan Snyder is no longer involved, I would like to see those two doing the radio broadcasts.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 10, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse


As long as they bring back Frank "Touchdown, Washington Redskins" back to the booth!

Posted by: stwasm | November 10, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The Riggo and Joe T video is solid. When Sonny and Sam retire and Dan Snyder is no longer involved, I would like to see those two doing the radio broadcasts.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 10, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse


As long as they bring back Frank "Touchdown, Washington Redskins" Herzog back to the booth!

Posted by: stwasm | November 10, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

this so-called organization is not intelligent enough to draft o-lineman(or any player's for that matter)this is the most stupidest bunch of jerks and lunatics ever assembled in the nfl,if it can be screwed up this crew will succeed. they have a guy they drafted 3rd last year who gets absolutely no playing time because obviously he can't play. the last o-lineman they drafted I think got in a brawl in a bar and was released(can't remember his name)and these fools expect you to believe they are saddened because the team is losing..don't fall for it they want your MONEY only. stop going to the games buy no merchandise from them. I don't remember seeing any white players in that picture with snyder and black players last week..maybe they were smart enough not wanting to be photographed with that loser.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 10, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"Look guys, you are just plain awful, we're not making the playoffs anyways so just lose out the season. We will get some better picks next year and try again. Oh without most of you, of course."

If Jim Zorn uses this as his pregame locker room speech next week I bet we win.

Posted by: Keiser | November 10, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it will never happen again, but remember the original hogs began after a series of injuries in OL forced the Skins to play unknowns like Jacoby.

Posted by: hock1 | November 10, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it will never happen again, but remember the original hogs began after a series of injuries in OL forced the Skins to play unknowns like Jacoby.

Posted by: hock1 | November 10, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben beat Kyle Orton(check)
Posted by: Vicc | November 10, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

yeah, sounds like a lamebrained college student who has dropped too many B-1 bong hits. Probably drink Port 2 or 3 quart as well? I doubt that you do well in Vegas, sincerely doubt it.
Let's get back to the playoff teams, superbowl teams always have the better QB? We'll start with Joe Flacco last year? Joe Flacco is really not all that good. Put him on another teams and see what happens?
Let's see David Woodley? David Woodley was a starting QB in a superbowl as was Billy Kilmer. Are you going to tell me that Kilmer was a better QB than say a Staubach or even a Morton? Seriously? And Woodley? Trent Dilfer? Dilfer!!? Neil O'Donnell? And do you really think Marino was a worst QB than Montana!? The guy had no arm compared to Marino? And Marino had 4 400 yard plus games in his career? Montana had none. Chris Chandler is a great QB? Jeff Hostetler!? Jeff Hostetler!? Now way he is better than Jim Kelly. No friggin way! I could go on ... but why argue with the drivel of ignorant scum.
The OL is isn't important right? They don't win championships right. That's what you said. VICC a brainless piece of jelly fish chum. You are an anal retentive clone of Snyderato. Just shut it dude you look like a giant sized fool.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

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