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Lessons Learned on Monday Night

This game brought to light issues we had already mentioned as being the most important of the second half of the season. The NFL's best defense has a way of taking some smaller fissures and making them appear huge. Few teams have the talent in the front seven to be as disruptive as the Steelers (unfortunately for the Skins, three such clubs await in the coming weeks - the Giants, Ravens and Eagles).

How rookie coach Jim Zorn adjusts to the intense pressure of the playoff march, and the importance of each decision could go a long way to dictating this thing. The division's teams now get to face him for the second time, with a template there for all to see after the way the Steelers manhandled Washington. I think they need to continue to pound the ball, use the run to set up play-action and try some deep shots - the Midwest Coast Offense.

If you try to spread teams with guys like Devin Thomas and James Thrash on the field, and a hobbled Santana Moss (more on that later), you aren't going to scare anyone. I liked when they ran out of the four-wide set, but that's all it's good for right now. The Skins are what they are, and running the ball 30-plus times a game is a must, especially against attack-minded defenses like New York, Baltimore and Philly. It's not going to be pretty, but that's reality.

This game crystallized, again, how singularly important Moss is. If that hamstring becomes a big problem, this offense is doomed. Without that big-play threat - and Moss was off the field for several series Monday - you can really tee off on the QB. There's no one else there. Period. The draft class, Chris Horton aside, has been a bust, and if the times comes when they are needed even more than now - as in a no-Moss situation - that could tell the tale of the season. You either have depth or you don't. You draft three pass catchers to improve in the red zone and add a complimentary deep threat ...and through nine games they produce absolutely nothing in the offense. That can't happen.

And finally, the age and health of the offensive line - a plotline from the first day of camp - will be huge. Chris Samuels will need knee surgery at some point, and if they he managed to postpone that until the offseason and holds up, the chances of getting to the playoffs look better.

But as the season grinds on, they will need better protection. Jon Jansen has his issues in pass pro, and Stephon Heyer is still an unknown. Having to survive with a 70-percent Samuels for as long as you can looks like the best option, but the health of Jason Campbell could be in the balance.

As for on field issues, it's what we began noting at the end of September - the Redskins need to finish drives on offense, create more turnovers and sacks, solidify the punting game and capitalize on short-field situations.

If the Skins win two of three against the NFC East, they'll get in the playoffs. If they win one of those games against either Philly or NY, I think they still get in (because I foresee more turmoil in Big D regardless). If they win just one division game, then the need to go 4-0 on the road in the second half would be vital, and while those games look largely winnable, it's hard to win four straight away from home against anyone. There will be no room for a slip-up.

I have a feeling that the Baltimore game is gonna end up feeling a whole lot more like a division game than an out-of-conference contest, given the physicality of these teams and how important the result is likely to be to both. I expect the intensity to be as high as it was in this Monday night affair.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 4, 2008; 3:00 PM ET
 
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Comments

I want to be the first to call talent_evaluator a moron.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Truth,
Though I don't think he is a moron, you are most certanly not the first to call him such up here.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

""unfortunately for the Skins, three such clubs await in the coming weeks - the Giants, Ravens and Eagles""

Has this guy watched ANY football this year(or any other year for that matter)??

None of these teams has the combination of size and speed that the Steelers do, PERIOD!

And OMG! There's the "bust" word again! This is exactly the type of crap that everyone tends to complain about, a reporter should know better, but of course, JLC, your not much of a reporter, I almost forgot that.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

And it doesn't matter if the Girls are practicing this week, it won't help them anyway.

The Skins need to get healthy more than anything else, the coaching staff needs to isolate specific issues from a "TEAM" standpoint, but practicing this week and not focusing on getting rested and healthy would be a HUGE mistake IMO.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Strike one, Alex.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

My predictions:
Dallas-W
NY-L
SEA-W
PHILLY-(not sure 50/50)W
SF- W
CIN-W
BAL- 50/50 W

Best case scenerio is we still come away 12-4, worst case we lose out, My worst guess 10-6.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"JLC sucks/is a hater/is being petty/should quit/should be fired/should be hung in effigy" in 3....2......1

Posted by: 4-12 | November 4, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

This is the 3rd time you post the same sht! (unfortunately for the Skins, three such clubs await in the coming weeks - the Giants, Ravens and Eagles). After we beat the Ravens just make sure you come up and post as many times and not run hide under Cyn Skirt like you did with the call to the NFL.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 4, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

On which, I dont think anyone up here is a moron or an idiot. I mean we are all smart enought to chear for the skins over dallas, thats worth something.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Ok, that was better 4th, much more like you!

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

NY, and ONLY NY, has the personell to match up in a similar way to Pitt. Sorry, but Philly?? We already ran on them one time this year, and their LB are not even CLOSE compared to Pitt. Baltimore?? Suggs, RayLew, but thats about it. I like the Redskins chances versus Balt.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 4, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Chris Horton aside, has been a bust,

WTF! You got to be joking. 9 games and you want to judge these guys! I just don't see how anyone can defend this foolish coming form JLC.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 4, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

And for the record, this was arguably the BEST team with the Best Defense in the NFL.

Sky falling=power rankings

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 4, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

To answer your question from the previous entry:

I read that The Cowgirls are practicing this week on their website:
www.dallascowboys.com

Here is the quote:

"The Cowboys will practice twice this week, have a little weekend respite, and then the grind begins, needing to churn out five wins in seven games yet knowing five of those seven teams they face have winning records, two are in first place in their divisions and depending on what Washington and Pittsburgh do Monday night, either"

Posted by: captjim | November 4, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I kinda thought that if you broke it up in 1/4's of the season, the 3rd series of 4 games would be our struggling point, as it alwayse is with a strong finish in the last 4. If it works out (3-1)(3-1)(2-2)(3-1)thats a good season.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Very surprising Jasno thinks the Ravens will be a tough game. That team blows and will be lucky to score 7 points on our D.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 4, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Well don't forget many baltimore fans think of us as their 2nd rival.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

next yaer's draft?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The cowboys need to practice, they lookin straight doo doo. We looked past this game to this weeks opponents, @sses on couches, it should be a tough one but i think couches will prevail.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 4, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

where the hell was davis last night, we needed more blocking and short passes, throw him in there and thats another weapon, was he even active?

Posted by: jefferboy | November 4, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Geeze, even the Bengals are practicing today and they only have 1 win. I figured a week off in the middle of the season was unusual. Did Gibbs give them all a week off last year,? I don't remember.

Posted by: captjim | November 4, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Jeffer are you joking, we needed more deep passes

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

One stat that tells a story. 9 games into 2008 season, and Cornelius Griffin is in a 3-way tie for 2nd on the team ... in INTs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Craig - I said No Huddle and Sense of Urgency, meaning they go hand in hand.........

If you don't have that sense of urgency you can't get going. Tell me you saw a sense of urgency in the last 10 minutes of the 4th QTR and tell me we had a chance to come back with all that dinking and dunking? That ish was killing me softly just like the 4th QTR of the Giants game....

Also, being an independant, I get slammed from both sides. I am not a JLaC apologist nor a Danny Boy. I'm in the middle. Your opinion matters. Your low blows don't unless we were to ever meet up.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 4, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Jason: Your analysis is right on. Guess we have to rely on the run and not pretend to be a pass-happy offense if we're not. But is it too much to ask that one or two of the receivers besides Moss play a bigger role in the offense?

Posted by: jdsp2000 | November 4, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Did Gibbs give them all a week off last year,? I don't remember.

Posted by: captjim | November 4, 2008 3:07 PM |

Gibbs 2.0 did it only once. The other times, they broke from Thursday - Sunday.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 4, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

About the week off, Zorn said lastnight that the players will be in today and tomorrow, and get "a couple days off" to "get away from football" and take and break. That's not exactly taking a week off. As beat up and worn out as this team is, I think that's exactly what they need. I will be disppointed If we hear of ANY player trying to go some "Romo-Esk" vacation, but they need to break and they deserve it.

And the only "bust" form this year's draft is Brooks, every one who is left is still an "UNKNOWN", unproductive so far, but not a "BUST".

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Also, has anyone within the organization come out and stated that Thomas was running the wrong routes in yesterday's game?? Or was that just bunk??


captjim, much ado about nothing. The Redskins are pretty beat up, so practicing would do more harm than good....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 4, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

JLC, who are YOU to judge our draft class? Unless you have NFL background/expertise we are not aware of, to call our draft class a "bust" after 9 games is idiotic!! Can't WAIT until they prove you wrong...

Speaking of draft picks, I heard Shawn Springs say that Fred Davis was a great pick, that our D cannot cover him in practice....Shawn even joked and said the only time they have been able to cover Fred was when he overslept.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 4, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for clearing that up guys. I don't agree with it, but at least there's an answer. I reserve the right to bring this issue back up again if the Skins are as unprepared for the Cowgirls as they appeared to be against the Steelers.

By the way - it's kind of funny to read The Cowgirls blog and they are complaining about a lot of the same things we complain about!

Posted by: captjim | November 4, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

alex35332 the deep passes were not going to be there, who was going to get down the field in hald a sec!! we need to work with what we have not wish for the deep ball which jc never had time to throw bc of a terrible o line and no chipping from anyone in the backfield

Posted by: jefferboy | November 4, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

4th, I disagree that the "no-huddle" and "sense of urgency" go hand in hand, both can exist without the other.

Zorn isn't about "urgency" though, he never was, and I'll be surprised if he ever is. He's about "just do your job", and last night, they couldn't do it, he knew it, you knew it, and I knew it. And again, they DID use the "no-huddle" inside about the 10 minute mark, and the Steelers just played it well, then they Zorn couldn't get the calls in cuz the f--in' helmet speaker died AGAIN.

Now that is something to gripe about, can't Snyder get the electronics right with all that money he's got?

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Where was Fred last night? I saw Yoder in there and I saw Yoder drop a pass but no Big Sleepy! What was the deal!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

So where is Jasno's daily rant about how Campbell needs a new contract. I know, last night he faced the best D in the league, but he's still a product, and even Zorn admitted the no-interception string was a fluke.

I like the kid, but let's don't rush to crown him automatically the Skins QB hands down for the next decade.

Posted by: RambleOn | November 4, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Lessons Learned From Last Night -

b) Don't deviate too much from what you do best.

4) Rogers needs to keep practicing catching footballs.

Posted by: charley42 | November 4, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I agree with JLC is that the skins have to be true to their identity on offense, much like the Titians. They must run the ball or continue to throw from more balanced formation because they don't have the talent on the OL, and WR to run a full out WCO at this point.

Posted by: TWISI | November 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Craig2,

I think Jason's point is that it is pretty clear the Skins were expecting Kelly and/or Thomas to contribute on offense THIS season. That is the only sane explanation for why they didn't keep a 4th veteran receiver on the roster.

Thomas/Kelly have been big disappointments THIS season. So maybe "bust" isn't the right term, but they've fallen far short of expectations.

Posted by: p1funk | November 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

If the rookies haven't done much (almost 0) 9 games into the season, isn't that a bust? I know we all want them to succeed but let's face the facts.

Posted by: thor2 | November 4, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Last night was a BAD loss.

We had 82 yards of offense going into the 4th quarter, and got some cheap yardage when the game was out of hand.

We got beat by their backup QB.

The Steelers played every bit like the #1 defense in the league, and we were every bit unable to rise to the occasion.

I'll take 6-3, but it was a very very poor showing.

Posted by: p1funk | November 4, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

its not a bust but a disapointment that Rookies are not getting out there.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, the inevitable occurs tonight. I hope you bed-wetting liberals get the handouts that you were looking for, and are not duped by the Great Deceiver.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | November 4, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Lessons learned from last night:
1)The fans that have tickets SUCK!!!!! Still ticked about how many Steeler fans were there!
2)The team needs a break!! They've played an etire season already. 5 preseason, 9 reg season
3)The Steelers D makes a lot of people look bad! We were no different
4)Everybody over reacts!! Especially the wet floppy hand towl that writes this blog.

Posted by: Lacantwrite | November 4, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Funky, your absolutely right in that they are disappointments right now. I disagree with the idea they were "expected" to contribute right away though, Zorn commented over and over again that he "knew" they would struggle to learn the offense and be of much help early on. If neither one begins contributing very soon, over the next couple of games, then the "disappointment" level raises considerably.

Thor2, NO, a "bust" of a drafted player CAN'T exist in the first year AT ALL. More often than not, rookie WRs take at least a full year before they are of much benefit.

And in this regard, I really think Zorn knew they wouldn't do much early, but he also didn't think the offense would do much in general early. He hoped the defense would continue to be very good, which it has, that the running game would continue to be very good, which it has, and that the passing part of the offense (including the rookie WRs) would begin catching up late in the season, which we don't know yet, last night didn't look promising, but we don't play the Steelers again unless we both make the Super Bowl, so I'm not freaking out.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter has quietly been having a very quiet season. Leading to my ...

PREDICTION:

If Jason Taylor gets healthy, he will start a RDE replacing Andre Carter, not LDE. Demetric Evans is the best DE we have right now.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Truth,
Though I don't think he is a moron, you are most certanly not the first to call him such up here.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 2:51 PM |

Thanks for taking my side, Alex! Truth, if you want to be the first to call me anything, then choose a word like, "clever," "good-hearted," "inventive," "astute," "insightful."

Ordinarily, these words would apply to Alex, CHriS LarRy, Nate, dcsween, cload, or some of those guys. But, for a "first," apply one to me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 4, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

oh but TE I so wanted "block head" for myself....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 4, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Really like the blog name: Charley42. Kinda like Art81, Gary84 or Sonny9 ... all welcome

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Somebody please tell LaCanfora that repeating a falsehood incessantly doesn't make it any more true. 9 games isn't nearly enough time to rate a draft class. Is it possible it wasn't a good draft? Maybe. But if the ACTUAL experts say the jury is still out, our hockey-loving, soccer-crazed, football-neophyte sports writer can't possibly offer a credible conclusion.

Posted by: outsider6 | November 4, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Carter typically gets off to slow start, however his conditioning allows him to be very active in the latter parts of the season and going into the playoffs, it would be a major deal if they benched him.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 4, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Springs always used to say they couldn't cover Taylor Jacobs in practice? Sleepy needs to do something in a game. WR's can not be classified as busts until they suck for 3 years. Early returns are not promising but that is the case with the majority of rookie wideouts.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 4, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse


+++There was NO execution from the Defensive players, save for Fletcher........

Posted by: 4thFloor+++

I must have seen a different game than you. I saw Evans get two sackss several tackles and disrupt Pittsburgh all night. I saw good effort form the interior line against a very VERY good Oline. I saw Horton resume his defensive rookie of the year level of play. I saw Rogers, except for a couple of egregious mistakes--do a fine job in coverage and tackling.

Sometimes a team can execute as well as it can and just get beat by a better team. That was the case Monday.

Whats needed on D is better players at key positions instead of washed up old vets brought in as stopgap measures..


Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Zcezcest1, are you saying you got some pro-player name and # bias?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

+++blockhead, bonehead, cretin, dimwit, dork, dumbbell, dunce, fool, ignoramus, imbecile, jerk, kook, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, out to lunch, pinhead, simpleton, stupid, tomfool, twit

Posted by: talent_evaluator +++|

Oh Puhlease, THAT’s all you got?

How about alactote, blatherskite, chattermucker, chuff, clinchpoop, clodpate, clodpoll, clumperton, cudden, Doolally, Dizzard, Dunderwhelp, fopdoodle, fuxduddy or giddypate? And that's just up to the G's

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

On seccond thought I take it back, there are a few idiots up here but they go by the name Boofer or Poolman, or the guy who pretended to be Barno and posted all that crazy racest stuff.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

zc, completely disagree, I can't see that happening, however what I could see happening is Taylor being part of a 3 man rotation with Evans and Carter throughout the course of a game. Taylor doesn't have his game legs yet, and giving both Evans, and Carter a break during games, can only be beneficial....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 4, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"JLC sucks/is a hater/is being petty/should quit/should be fired/should be hung in effigy" in 3....2......1

Posted by: 4-12 | November 4, 2008 2:55 PM |

Why would you say this? Because you can see the hate in Jasno's writing otherwise why assume that people are going to go off on him.

My take is that someone who has yet to master their own craft without mistakes should not be calling ROOKIES a bust.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 4, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

1)The fans that have tickets SUCK!!!!! Still ticked about how many Steeler fans were there!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | November 4, 2008 3:33 PM |

These are Steelers fans that got the tickets. You can be sure they didn't pry these tickets away from Redskins fans by any legitimate means. Many of them stole the tickets. Some claimed to be Chief Zee and said "I lost my tix. Can you help me out, bro?" Others claimed they would give the tickets to undecided voters to convince them to vote for Obama. Some said "If the 'Skins win, McCain wins. You don't want that, do you?" Some claimed to be Dan Snyder and offered to exchange the tickets for luxury suites. Etc.

Steelers fans will stoop to anything. Some 'Skins fans saw through all these ruses, even the one that went "If you don't give me your ticket, I'm burning your car in the lot."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 4, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"+++"unfortunately for the Skins, three such clubs await in the coming weeks - the Giants, Ravens and Eagles""

Has this guy watched ANY football this year(or any other year for that matter)??

None of these teams has the combination of size and speed that the Steelers do, PERIOD!++++

So I guess I dreamed the Giants beating the Steelers last week....

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me who will be the Dallas holder for field goals and extra points now that Brad Johnson will likely be inactive?

I am assuming that Romo will be starting quarterback against us in 12 days and Bollinger will be the backup QB making Johnson (the Cowboys holder) inactive?

Posted by: captjim | November 4, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

You are sooooooooooooo lame. O-line has ONE bad game so now they're old and everything you said about them in the pre-season is true? You already KNOW that this years draft class is a bust even if we're only half way through the season? Meanwhile, the rest of the world agrees that it takes a few years to evaluate a draft class. You should give more "insider" info rather than your opinion because its obvious you really dont anything about football. The guy from redskins.com blog CRUSHES yours. You suck. I hope you get punched in the face. HAIL!

Posted by: lacanforasuxd | November 4, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,

Thanks! I have been posting pre-reg as charlie but hell, Charley Taylor was my first Redskins hero so I recently decided to do it this way. I don't know why I didn't think of it a long time ago.

Posted by: charley42 | November 4, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Cork, here is the problem you have: you actually said this about the Steelers' O-Line: "very VERY good Oline".

The Steelers DO NOT have a very VERY good offensive, in fact they don't even have a very good Oline, maybe "good", but that's about it.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Jansen, the pittsburgh Wal-Mart greeter should be benched. That was just poor blocking

Posted by: Ohioskin | November 4, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I would say the steelers have a bleow average O-line. If we had Springs and taylor back than we may have had a shot at this one. I do invision JT coming back as just a speed rusher though & DLB

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

How is Stephon Heyer an unknown? At this point I thought he was a pretty compenent pro, and I was surpised we didn't see him in the second half in place of Jansen, especially when we got in a situation where both sides knew we had to throw. Is he still hurt?

Posted by: HighPlainsDrifter | November 4, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone beside me think "JM220" is Larry Michael in disguise?

Posted by: joeblazin | November 4, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

You suck. I hope you get punched in the face. HAIL!

Posted by: lacanforasuxd | November 4, 2008 3:53 PM

If he's that bad and you hate him, go away. The number crunchers at the Post only care about how many hits the blog gets. The MORE hits JLC gets, THE MORE LIKELY HE REMAINS.

Anyway, only RI dorks like me read all the way down to this point. You're wasting everyone's time by posting.

Posted by: charley42 | November 4, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

he doesn't want him to get fired....that would just be mean spirited. He simply wants him to get punched in the face.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | November 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Joe,
No. I know that Michael the gomba is on here somewhere, I mean he has to be how else is he gonna B***h about JLCs blog every night if he does not read it. He went on last night to complain that lately JLC has not written anything for him to criticize. Whatever Larry the wannabe mobsters issue is with JLC it does border on stalker.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

++++Chris Horton aside, has been a bust,

WTF! You got to be joking. 9 games and you want to judge these guys! ++++

Actually FOURTEEN games counting the preseason.--THE CORK

++++I just don't see how anyone can defend this foolish coming form JLC.++++

JM220++++

Allow me.

Look, either Cerrato drafted for the "future," in which case the trade for Jason Taylor was a total waste, or he drafted to bring in help NOW for a receiving corps that is Santana Moss and his iffy hamstrings, average ARE, and aging special teamer James Thrash.

So he drafts THREE GUYS at receiver in teh second round. One is a pale imitation of an all pro TE, one guy can't get out of a wheelchair, and one guy can't get on the field in a useful capacity because he showed up out of shape and can't learn the playbook. That's pretty much the textbook definition of bust.

Vinny tried to bring in BIG RECEIVERS to help Jim Zorn's WCO immdiately. These three and Anthony Mix and McMullen. NONE solved the problem this year. OH for FIVE.

Instead of taking easy cheap shots at JLC, how about YOU defend Cerrato's performance helping the receiving corps in a year that has been a playoff drive one, and is now hurting mightilly at the very position he was supposed to reload.

You don't draft receivers at # 2 to be useless this year and "maybe" help down the road. Just ask denver, Philly and St. Louis.

Even if they blossom, the near future brings offensive and defensive lines in dire need of help, aging LBs and a corner at the end of the road (Springs).

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"I saw good effort form the interior line against a very VERY good Oline. "

lol not at all

I'm not all doom and gloom after last night's game, but to call the Steeler's O-line "very VERY good" is just completely wrong on all counts.

They're talking about Big Ben's career being shortened because of the beatings he's taken this year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

BTW her is hoping that Ralph Nader wins Wyoming or Idaho or something, so that all my work this year was worth it.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

So I guess I dreamed the Giants beating the Steelers last week....

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

No, you weren't dreaming, but what about the Giants' win shows that they have as good a defense? What about their linebackers is comparable to the Steelers' linebackers?

You and that "very VERY good OLine" of the Steelers, yeah, you got it man, keep at it.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Just ask denver, Philly and St. Louis

How about if he asks Buffalo, Pitt, Washington, Green Bay, or any other club that drafted a WR in the 2nd round. There are MORE teams who are having SIMILAR RESULTS to what the Redskins are having, than there are teams like Philly, Denver, and St. Louis.

Not to mention that in each instance the rookie receiver was starting, versus Thomas who is behind ARE, and Moss. You understand this concept don't you corky??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 4, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I wish we had taken a RB outta this draft, there are tons of them making major impact. Its a tough choice for rookie of the year, if it aint Matt Ryan it will be one of a number of rookie RB preforming at high levels. Bad draft for WR, people knew that going into the draft.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 4, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

There are two fundamental premises in Jasno's analysis that I totally disagree with. Actually, they're both related.

First, he thinks that teams can 'scout' what the Steelers did against the Skins offense and then do the same thing--like Pittsburgh discovered some secret formula and now the secret's out. Few if any teams can play the way Pittsburgh's defense played last night. And I include the Giants, Baltimore and especially Philly in that list.

Second, Jasno seems to think that with a second look the division foes will now have a huge edge on the Skins. It's like he's saying the wins vs. Dallas and Philly were because they had never faced Zorn before. But what the skins did in those games was no secret. They executed, and won thanks to a punishing defense and punishing run game. No secret, just that simple.

So while I don't necessarily expect the Skins to win all 3 of their remaining division games, I wouldn't count them out of any of them either.

Posted by: gringoinmiami | November 4, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

BTW her is hoping that Ralph Nader wins Wyoming or Idaho or something, so that all my work this year was worth it.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Win or no win....all of your efforts were, and will continue to be irrelevant.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | November 4, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Cork, your such an idiot. Zorn said when he was hired to be the OC that it will take years for his offense to take hold. If he thought it would take so long, why would anyone think darfting a player this year to fit into the system, would somehow make some big impact right away?

Maybe you think the WRs actually play by themselves?

I was just wondering cuz with your OMG! INCREDIBLY REMARKABLY TALENTED ability to scout how "very VERY good" the Steelers OLine is, you must be on your way to GM of the year!

You should stop while only this far behind.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

+++I'd like to profess my love for red on red uni's. I hope they don't abandon it because they lost.

posted by: Original_etrod++++

You’re right. That red on red ensemble had the ‘skins looking like the finest kind high school team I’ve ever seen.

++++The red jersey/white pants combo should be outlawed and never spoken of again.++++

I believe the skins were attired in Red over white while beating the cowpokes which is a pretty good reason to sport them again next time out.

Read this board enough and it’s as if Mr. Blackwell never died.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm a professional curmudgeon, in case you haven't figured it out yet.
Posted by: TheCork | October 17, 2008 12:21 PM
Call me a Curmudgeon...
Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2008 5:17 PM What is a Curmudgeon anyway?

A curmudgeon's reputation for malevolence is undeserved. They're neither warped nor evil at heart. They don't hate mankind, just mankind's absurdities. They're just as sensitive and soft-hearted as the next guy, but they hide their vulnerability beneath a crust of misanthropy. They ease the pain by turning hurt into humor. . . . . . They attack maudlinism because it devalues genuine sentiment. . . . . . Nature, having failed to equip them with a servicable denial mechanism, has endowed them with astute perception and sly wit.
Curmudgeons are mockers and debunkers whose bitterness is a symptom rather than a disease. They can't compromise their standards and can't manage the suspension of disbelief necessary for feigned cheerfulness. Their awareness is a curse.
Perhaps curmudgeons have gotten a bad rap in the same way that the messenger is blamed for the message: They have the temerity to comment on the human condition without apology. They not only refuse to applaud mediocrity, they howl it down with morose glee. Their versions of the truth unsettle us, and we hold it against them, even though they soften it with humor.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 4, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 4:07 PM | "

well Cork, you complain about drafting WR's, you complain about the WR's we picked up, what would you want us to do? At least they tried something. When it comes to WR's in the draft, it's ALWAYS a gamble. Maybe none of these guys work out, but at least they tried to give Zorn some offensive weapons. Would it have been better to not draft any WR's at all and not pick up any at all and have Moss, Thrash, and ARE?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Red on White- yes classic.
White on Red- Also Classic
Red On Red- SO AFL looking
White on White- cool but overused, should be savored more like a fine wine.

Throwbacks, always aprecieated.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

blah, blah, blah....here I'll cut right through all the excuses, and all the bs above, cork is an ass-hat. Period.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 4, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"I was just wondering cuz with your OMG! INCREDIBLY REMARKABLY TALENTED ability to scout how "very VERY good" the Steelers OLine is, you must be on your way to GM of the year!

You should stop while only this far behind.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 4:17 PM"

lol apparently the Steelers have a Pro-Bowl level O-line, even though everyone knows Big Ben has been on the turf all year.


Cork = not that smart

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think they should stop di*k^ng with the uniforms and just stick with the classic colors, kinda like they should have "just done what they do" last night, rather then trying too hard to manufacture some kind of offense.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of draft busts :

Peter King -

"
• HOW WAS CHRIS HORTON THE 249TH PICK OF THE DRAFT LAST YEAR? I mean, are you kidding me with this kid? Thirty-two teams passed on this instinctive, bruising, blitzing safety through six rounds? Horton is one of the dozen best rookies in football this year, and the way he tormented the Steelers shows what an inexact science scouting is. At 6-foot-1, 212 pounds, running a 4.55 40-yard dash, with 28 Pac-10 starts ... If I were a personnel director, I'd be asking my regional scouts out west why they didn't have Horton higher on their lists."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Well at least you get it Truth, Cork doesn't seem capable of understanding just how bad that statement really is.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

In regards to the B. Ravens comment toward the end....The issue is Baltimore's offense can't produce against the Skins defense....they maybe goos agaisnt the run...but dude man their offense SCARES NOBODY!

Posted by: leevi98 | November 4, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork, your such an idiot.++++--Craig2

Actually, it's "Cork you're such an idiot." Use the proper coptraction here so people won't look at YOUR post and go "Craig2, you're such an idiot."

If you had an iota of imagination you could have called me an "alactote, blatherskite, chattermucker, chuff, clinchpoop, clodpate, clodpoll, clumperton, cudden, Doolally, Dizzard, Dunderwhelp, fopdoodle, fuxduddy or giddypate."

+++Zorn said when he was hired to be the OC that it will take years for his offense to take hold. If he thought it would take so long, why would anyone think darfting a player this year to fit into the system, would somehow make some big impact right away?++++

Well for openers because Zorn is now the HEAD COACH, (Honest. It was in all the papers!) Head coaches like to win now, especially with notoriously impatient owners, like Dan Snyder.

Also because I don't think Zorn is dumb enough to think James Thrash would be his ideal #3 Wideout, and because I remember Zorn talking about "two TE formations" this year, using Cooley and Davis together.

Mostly because I saw how upset he was when the two WRs Cerrato drafted showed up out of shape and unable to contribute this year. Does that SOUND like a coach who didn't expect some help from rookies this year?

+++Maybe you think the WRs actually play by themselves?+++

What's your point here? That Campbell hasn't produced this year? Or that the Oline hasn't given him time for two, three progressions most games? Or that the top rusher in the NFL hasn't helped with the passing game?

++++I was just wondering cuz with your OMG! INCREDIBLY REMARKABLY TALENTED ability to scout how "very VERY good" the Steelers OLine is, you must be on your way to GM of the year!++++

Thank you for the compliment, Craig. But I'm not a GM. I'm a blogger. Vinny Cerrato is a GM. Perhaps he should be a blogger, instead.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse


"contraction," not "coptraction."

Coptraction is a special gurney used for constables with bad backs.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

How about if he asks Buffalo, Pitt, Washington, Green Bay, or any other club that drafted a WR in the 2nd round. There are MORE teams who are having SIMILAR RESULTS to what the Redskins are having, than there are teams like Philly, Denver, and St. Louis.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

And that would be just about right in the success rate for WRs drafted in the 1st two rounds. I still don't get how it's a good sign that we have 3 pass catchers that can't get ahead of James Thrash and Todd Yoder in the depth chart (and I know Kelly is hurt), regardless of how young they are. But keep making excuses for Devin Thomas and Fred Davis.

Posted by: psps23 | November 4, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"I still don't get how it's a good sign that we have 3 pass catchers that can't get ahead of James Thrash and Todd Yoder in the depth chart (and I know Kelly is hurt), regardless of how young they are. But keep making excuses for Devin Thomas and Fred Davis.

Posted by: psps23 | November 4, 2008 4:43 PM "


could very well be wrong, but I think Fred Davis has played just as much as, if not more than, Yoder so far this year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

we need to draft this TE ASAP :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-uRprYs_k4

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I learned from Monday night:

1. The Redskins held their own against an excellent team in the first half.

2. I was extremely proud of the defense. They were impressive, particularly early, and even without some of our starters.

3. I think the Steelers are vulnerable with Big Ben at QB. In a way, his injury actually HELPED the Steelers in that game. I think he was heading toward a brutal second half, considering how "violent" our defense was playing.

4. London Fletcher, as if we didn't know, REALLY needs to go to the Pro Bowl.

5. Carlos Rogers, as terrible a receiver as he is, is tough, tackles well, and continues to be having a good season. (I like the draft pick.)

6. Chris Horton is a keeper. I like his size and attitude.

7. Jon Jansen needs to hang it up after this season, or take a major pay cut.

8. Jason Campbell needs to get rid of the football when he's outside of the pocket. But overall, he was tough and hung in there. My hat's off to him.

9. What is up with Jim Zorn and clock management? As everyone has already pointed out, when you're down by three scores and facing a fourth down and long (The goal-line play, I can't really blame him for going for it. Although, if you look at the Steelers' players, they would have buried Portis. I actually think the bootleg was the right call.), kick the stupid field goal! Jason had no shot at completing a pass right then.

10. Zorn really doesn't like to throw deep. Even if it's incomplete, the threat of a pass interference, or at least a throw to keep the defense honest, needs to exist in the gameplan. The Steelers, with their much-maligned line, at least took shots down the field.

11. And finally, I really think the Skins should go no huddle more often. Why not open the game with it? After all, they had a gift in field position. What did they have to lose?

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | November 4, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

++++lol apparently the Steelers have a Pro-Bowl level O-line, even though everyone knows Big Ben has been on the turf all year.

Cork = not that smart

Posted by: TheTruth11+++


If either you or Craig2 had a clue about how offensive lines operate, you might understand that Pittsburgh's Oline has struggled off and on as they've attempted to overcome the loss of their pro bowl guard, and excellent tackle Marvell Smith.

With half a season of playing together, based on what they demonstrated last night, they were very VERY good against the Redskins. Sure, Big Ben held onto the ball too long and some really nice plays by D Evans made a diff. But Carter was nullified, Leftwich had the time he needed, Parker had some key runs, and Redskin blitzes were picked up JUST A TAD BETTER than the Redskins Oline picked up Pitt blitzes.

And oh, by the way, they won.

But Truth? That "cork = not very smart" put down? Just really dynamite stuff.

Now you and craig talk among yourselves--you're meant for each other.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

And that would be just about right in the success rate for WRs drafted in the 1st two rounds. I still don't get how it's a good sign that we have 3 pass catchers that can't get ahead of James Thrash and Todd Yoder in the depth chart (and I know Kelly is hurt), regardless of how young they are. But keep making excuses for Devin Thomas and Fred Davis.

Posted by: psps23 | November 4, 2008 4:43 PM

That is a coaches decision and how comfortable they are with starting rookies. GG did not like to start rookies regardless of the fact the ST was better than the safeties starting in front of him. Gibbs was even worse. JC should have started sooner than he did, especially the way that Brunnell was playing. Blache seems to play the best player available, so Horton is starting.

Many on here (and I am guilty of this also) think that we know what the coaches and FO are thinking when they make their decisions, but we don't.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 4, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

++++lol apparently the Steelers have a Pro-Bowl level O-line, even though everyone knows Big Ben has been on the turf all year.

Cork = not that smart

Posted by: TheTruth11+++


If either you or Craig2 had a clue about how offensive lines operate, you might understand that Pittsburgh's Oline has struggled off and on as they've attempted to overcome the loss of their pro bowl guard, and excellent tackle Marvell Smith.

With half a season of playing together, based on what they demonstrated last night, they were very VERY good against the Redskins. Sure, Big Ben held onto the ball too long and some really nice plays by D Evans made a diff. But Carter was nullified, Leftwich had the time he needed, Parker had some key runs, and Redskin blitzes were picked up JUST A TAD BETTER than the Redskins Oline picked up Pitt blitzes.

And oh, by the way, they won.

But Truth? That "cork = not very smart" put down? Just really dynamite stuff.

Now you and craig talk among yourselves--you're meant for each other.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and my most important point, we're 6-3!

Wow. After that first-half schedule?

I'm saddened by the loss, but equally just as proud.

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | November 4, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"With half a season of playing together, based on what they demonstrated last night, they were very VERY good against the Redskins. Sure, Big Ben held onto the ball too long and some really nice plays by D Evans made a diff. But Carter was nullified, Leftwich had the time he needed, Parker had some key runs, and Redskin blitzes were picked up JUST A TAD BETTER than the Redskins Oline picked up Pitt blitzes.

And oh, by the way, they won.

But Truth? That "cork = not very smart" put down? Just really dynamite stuff.

Now you and craig talk among yourselves--you're meant for each other.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 4:51 PM"

how many sacks did we have last night? Like 5?

I believe before yesterday's game we were like 31st in the league in sacks. Five in one game to one of the statistically worst pass rushing D's in the league is NOT "very very very good" or whatever you're claiming.

It's not rocket sciene.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 4, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

That is a coaches decision and how comfortable they are with starting rookies. GG did not like to start rookies regardless of the fact the ST was better than the safeties starting in front of him. Gibbs was even worse. JC should have started sooner than he did, especially the way that Brunnell was playing. Blache seems to play the best player available, so Horton is starting.

Many on here (and I am guilty of this also) think that we know what the coaches and FO are thinking when they make their decisions, but we don't.

Posted by: Curzon417

Maybe so. But Devin Thomas in particular has had ample time on the field to show what he can do. I don't buy that Zorn is being overly cautious because there have been several times where it seemed like Zorn purposefully tried to put the ball in the hands of Thomas AND Davis. I don't think it has to do with them being rookies, I think it has to do with Zorn not trusting them because they simply don't get it yet (as in aren't good enough to do what they're supposed to). And it's very frustrating because, without Moss, this team offense is nowhere near elite. They NEED a talent to step up -- and IMO, Zorn knows this without a doubt.

Posted by: psps23 | November 4, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 4:07 PM | "

well Cork, you complain about drafting WR's, you complain about the WR's we picked up, what would you want us to do? At least they tried something. When it comes to WR's in the draft, it's ALWAYS a gamble. Maybe none of these guys work out, but at least they tried to give Zorn some offensive weapons. Would it have been better to not draft any WR's at all and not pick up any at all and have Moss, Thrash, and ARE?

Posted by: TheTruth11


Like you and the rest of us, I'm frustrated. I dialed around my Direct TV games Sunday in time to see Hardy catch a ball for 27 or so yards. Rookie. I saw Eddie Royal dominate a game. I've seen DeSean Jckson not only save Philly's receiver corps when THEY suffered injuries, but solve their Punt return needs. And I've seen Donnie Very explode as a receiver in the past few weeks.

What I wanted was Cerrato to pick at least ONE very good rookie receiver who could play now. You'd think, since he selected THREE, at least ONE would have panned out this year.

I'm sick and tired that Parcels turned around a BAD fanchise at Dallas with superb draft picks--tho I wouldn't give the 'pokes troubles now to a monkey on a rock. I'm tired to the Giants recent brilliant selections.

I want someone brilliant to be GM, not dan snyder's racketball partner.


Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

+++blah, blah, blah....here I'll cut right through all the excuses, and all the bs above, cork is an ass-hat. Period.

Posted by: BeantownGreg+++

And you can't come up with a better put down than something you lifted from Fark.Com. At least I steal from Letterman, you brownnosing doofus.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I did think the right call was to go for it with 4th and 1 at the goal line. Make it and you've got 7 points, still down 2 scores. Miss it and you have a shot at as safety, which brings it back to 2 scores (15pts) and you get the ball back. We did get very close to getting that safety.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

In training camp/preseason it was mentioned that Thomas was learning the same position as Moss plays. Kelly was learning the other two receiver positions. Because of Kelly's inability to get on the field, Thomas has had to learn the other receiver positions which has delayed his ability to be up to speed in those positions.

It seems as if Zorn felt that Kelly was the more ready of the two to come in and help, so Kelly was learning the receiver positions that would put him on the field sooner- the two and three receiver positions. Thomas is contributing on special teams and may soon show his ability on offense. As hard as it is to do, we need to be patient with these three pass catchers.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 4, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

+++Their versions of the truth unsettle us, and we hold it against them, even though they soften it with humor.

Posted by: Skins930+++

Thanks Skins, I'm getting all vuh-klempt, he said using humor as a defense against his real emotions...

Seriously, yuh knucklehead, good stuff. I'm saving your whole post.

These young punks don't ralize what a Marshmallow heart I've got, how much I like kitties and apple pie and the Good Old Days.

Now, after a quick link to my column, with more Curmudgeonry, I'm going off to vote against Granpa and his half wit, albeit well-dressed running mate.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

what did Vinny have to say on his show?

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | November 4, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Excerpt from NFLDraftDog.com column “’Skins Lay Egg at FedEx”

“As is always the case with football, it begins with line play. The Redskins Oline, particularly, came up short this night…

“Right Tackle Jansen cannot pass block anyone faster than Continental Drift. Left tackle Chris Samuels was moving like he was stuck in Molasses. (How did Samuels go from All-Pro to Oh-No! overnight? Gotta be his bad wheel.) Center Casey Rabach, smart, tough and talented, just isn't big enough to block the elite 3-4 nose guards in the NFL. Gutsy, undersized, elderly left guard Pete Kendall shows the effect of sitting out lots of practice to keep his arthritic knees on the field.

“This is an O-line that can outthink and outsmart but not out-quick or out-maul an opponent. It was exposed as such Monday night….”

Entire column available at:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Cork, for you to continue to argue that the Steelers' O-Line is good, let alone very, very good, shows how little clue you really have. Their running game has sucked, their pass protection has sucked, and both have sucked for over two years, since Grimm left.

It's just plain idiocy for you to make such a claim. And I don't care how much you want to "read between the lines" from how upset Zorn was about the rookies' conditioning and such, Zorn SAID he knew he wasn't getting much from the rookies early on, HE SAID IT.

I guess you know what's in his mind better than he does, so like I wrote, you must be a one hell of a GM, you've got it all figured out.

And BTW, "Actually, it's "Cork you're such an idiot." Use the proper coptraction here so people won't look at YOUR post and go "Craig2, you're such an idiot."

WTF is a "coptraction", you really are just an idiot.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

From cooleys blog.. just wow...
Last night was not a good night to be my helmet. It started out in the team warm up. I was so excited coming out of the locker room that I left the helmet in my locker. I spent the first five minutes catching balls while one of our trainers ran back inside. Into the second quarter I caught a pass on 3rd and 8 and was tackled inches short of the first. I came of the field and smashed the helmet. Good thing our equip. guys kept a spare. After not converting on 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter I smashed helmet #2. Who would have guessed something that protects your head would be fragile enough to break with a simple smash to the ground? What's amazing is that our staff actually carried my old helmet with them to the game. 3 helmets for one person in a game, they must know me way too well. I guess it was just that kind of game.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Having seen the Steelers play, its pretty clear what the Skins needed in order to beat them. This game was mostly lost by the offense. They put a lot of pressure on the line and cover a lot of ground left to right. What that means is their secondary has to cover more room vertically. Which means having a deep threat is huge. Which means Santana is hugely important since he stretches the field. But not last night

If the field gets stretched, that opens an underneath passing game to targets like Cooley, ARE and Portis out of the backfield. Keeping the 2 back backfield of Sellers and Portis is also important, since it creates the run threat.

We did miss Betts this game, he's a good fit against this defense. Clearly, Santana was not up to speed and he was the most critical player for this team vs Pitt.

As for our defense, its pretty simple. Less blitzes giving better coverage. Gotta do better in the red zone and make the pick 6.

On teams, don't get your punt blocked.

No punt block, take off 7 points for them. Pick 6, add 7 for us. That's a 14 point swing in a 17 point game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Although I'm still hoping that someone can answer my pending question above, now I have a new one.

Does The Cork = John Corcoran?

Posted by: captjim | November 4, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

BOOSH

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully because of the loss last night we'll never, ever see this team wear burgundy shirts and burgundy britches again. They looked terrible. Actually made me appreciate the white/white combo, which is a look I detest. Ugh ugh ugly. Ugly look, ugly game. And hey, two weeks to savor it.

*sigh*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 4, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what question you mean Cap, the one about Gibbs and the bye week? If so, I think he offered them three or four days, and a lot of soft work in the first week of the bye.

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry craig2, I guess both of my questions got lost in the name calling fest
Can anyone tell me who will be the Dallas holder for field goals and extra points now that Brad Johnson will likely be inactive?

Here is the first:

I am assuming that Romo will be starting quarterback against us in 12 days and Bollinger will be the backup QB making Johnson (the Cowboys holder) inactive?

Posted by: captjim | November 4, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Here is the 2nd:
Does The Cork = John Corcoran?

Posted by: captjim | November 4, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Good question on number one, not sure about that. My guess would be Bollinger.

The second one, well, ya never know do ya?

Posted by: craig2 | November 4, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone beside me think "JM220" is Larry Michael in disguise?

Posted by: joeblazin |

You got to be joking!
1. I am not white
2. Larry wish he looked this good
3. I man that don't hide. I fear Allah and Allah alone. If I was Larry I wouldn't have any problem saying so.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 4, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
Repeat after me it will make you feel a little better.

WE WANT DALLAS!!!

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the "is jm220=Larry Michael?" thing is almost as funny as the "is chRIs LaRRY=Larry Michael?" thing. Just plain funny.

I loathe Larry Michael. Not only is he the worst kind of corporate shill, the man fired Frank freakin' Herzog and then hired himself to replace him. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 4, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

That did make me feel better, Alex, but I don't think anyone in the office here understood why I was standing on my desk chanting so loudly. And nobody joined in. Weird.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 4, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

re: DeSean Jackson... he has one TD catch this year, and one incomprehensible fumble at the one yard line. Now that Curtis and Brown are back, his snaps are going down and his numbers are too.
I'd like one of the Fiesta Trio to step it up this year, but I wouldn't trade any of them for Jackson straight up today. But that's 'cause I'm staying medium.

Posted by: daggar | November 4, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

It is a Redskins Fan tradition to count victories before they're played.

Aside from 3 team in this league (and you know who they are), you cannot predict a victory in any of those games. None of the remaining teams are that bad, and the Redskins are not that good.

Aside from the Giants, the other 3 teams in the NFC are approximately equal at this point. Other than that, you can draw no conclusions.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | November 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

But how many more losses before we can start firing the coach again?

Posted by: daggar | November 4, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Look, in all likelihood we're going 10-6, 11-5 is possible. 12-4 not entirely out of the question. Who wouldn't take that going into the year?? I think this loss, while not a good thing, will provide a valuable wake-up call. Like Sellers said, we have a lot of improvement to attain in order to be a real contender. But we can get there.

Congrats to Obama - hope he's ready. Maybe he'll surprise me like Coach Z. Not exactly following a legend like Zorn though...

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Raiders to clean house and cut DeAngelo Hall and Javon Walker among others as soon as tomorrow.

What do you guys think? I would go after Javon Walker. He knows this offense and would instantly be an upgrade over at least 3 of our WR's. If we can get him for the veteran minimum, I say we take a shot at him. This guy was a beast in GB and in Denver early on.

Good or bad idea?

Posted by: Skins1 | November 4, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Note to Skins1: Maybe Javon Walker not sure about DeAngelo he was a cancer here in the ATL but with Bobby Petrino as coach what could one expect he has skills no doubt but whether he could play for Blache and Zorn well.........we need this bye week, time to heal and get ready for the stretch run. Dallas will be a desperate team and will pull out all the stops Zorn has some decesions to make at the offensive tackle position Jansen got killed monday night so Heyer should get his job back maybe Buges can switch JJ to backup Kendall this is where Vinny blew it in the draft.Well, we all can take a breather what to do this sunday? hey watch the other teams on the ticket.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 4, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

btw michelle Obama sporting maroon and black, her two daughters wearing solid maroon and black each

Posted by: dealer1 | November 5, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

+++Although I'm still hoping that someone can answer my pending question above, now I have a new one.

Does The Cork = John Corcoran?

Posted by: captjim+++

Yup. I'm Skippy, too, But Skippy is in semi-retirement, recovering from having his Metal plate removed, regrooved and reinstalled in his dome. He'll be back.

Posted by: TheCork | November 5, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

The rollercoaster ride continues.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 5, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

+++you really are just an idiot.

Posted by: craig2+++

These literary assaults of yours are really getting to me. Don’t you have homework to do or hogs to slop? I tire of insults from a Noddypole, Nigmenog, Puzzlepate like you.

Go back to your ploot, you yazzihammer—maybe she’ll tell you what a quiberdick smellfungus you really are.

Now go ‘way kid, yuh bother me.

Posted by: TheCork | November 5, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

For the draft class, only Malcom "bone on bone" Kelly is a bust at this point - his knee problems are just too severe to overcome, which is why most teams didn't touch him in the draft in the first place. If we had a do-over, the Skins really should have gone elsewhere with that pick, with Thomas and Davis already in their bag at that point. But that's spilled milk at this point. Definitely hoping OL and DL upgrades will be the focus in '09 off-season, with some CB upgrades thrown in for good measure. in the meantime, let's hope we can avoid injury bug through the rest of the season and Zorn can generate some more success with the team as it is today.

Posted by: PDXskin | November 5, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and the punter they drafted... almost forgot about him. That definitely counts as another wasted pick in '08.

Posted by: PDXskin | November 5, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Warning - political content, please skip if offended...

1 Draft broken-record plays again. Can we just agree - this class can't be judged definitively for 2 or 3 seasons BUT we could expect more at this point and realy need the help. End of. 2 this is a blog not a newspaper, forum for more contoversial points of view (including JlC's), not just reportage. If you don't like POV's different to yours, or debate, don't read, or at least don't whinge. 3. can someone lend Carlos some stickum. 4. as a Brit, well done on the election, phew - time to fade out the theme tune to Monty Python in January...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | November 5, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Desperately need the offense to return to the FUN stuff that Zorn was doing in, say, weeks 2-5. There was something remarkable going on, something refreshing, and that spark, that magic, has been missing...

And everyone has agreed how important Moss and Samuels are to making this O go... that was proven in spades last night.

F it, I can't even care about that wasted game in light of the thrilling victory tonight... following my own rule, I'm not going to indulge in any politicking up here except to say "Hip hip hooray for the US of A!"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 5, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I'm with ya man, HIP HIP HOORAY!!!


Cork, your an idiot.

Posted by: craig2 | November 5, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

As an election integrity activist I am just happy that we have an election with minimal election questions, most the problems I have heard about (voting machines being busted and swapping votes) have been minimal for once

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

I think what bothers me most about the outcome last night is that of all of the Obama supporters interviewed, not one said that they were relieved that the best, or most qualified, man won the job. Instead, it was all about how historic a day it was for America for an African American to be elected to the White House. It was all a "black thing" instead of being all a "what's best for America" thing. I have no problem whatsoever with having a black president.....it just seems that the country's focus was in the wrong place.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | November 5, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

and Moss is really the best celebrator in the league...always doing his "poses" and such...heck, they can be behind by 30 points and he is still celebrating like a fool, like a clown really

Posted by: griffmills | November 5, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

“This is an O-line that can outthink and outsmart but not out-quick or out-maul an opponent. It was exposed as such Monday night….”

Corky, this was from the link you posted above. Funny. Didn't Portis just the previous 4-5 games run for over 120 each game??

Nevermind...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 5, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

yep, I think the premature and excessive celebrating caught up with them...I heard Moss even teaches "Celebrations 101", and Horton attended

Posted by: griffmills | November 5, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Greg, don't bother trying to educate Cork, he's an idiot, he still contends that the Steelers have a "very VERY good" offensive line.

SirAnonymoustheGreat, I can understand what you are saying, but I also can understand the emotional reaction to such an accomplishment. It really wasn't a very long time ago that such a thing was easily considered absolutely IMPOSSIBLE. For many, Obama being elected president, in and of itself, is so big a deal that it almost dwarfs the reality of what his platform, the real substance that got him here.

I for one, just hope he is able to lead the way in getting our country out of the deep, deep trouble in which we are currently entrenched, both overseas and within our own borders.

Posted by: craig2 | November 5, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

From Cooley's blog:

Pittsburgh's defense was outstanding. They are a physical, well coached unit. Bottom line was we didn't play well enough on offense to score points. Who cares if it was the best defense we will play this season, we needed to play better.

Jason Campbell is tough as nails. That
guy is a man, he took a beating all game, never quit, and kept us moving the ball till the end of the game.

Thank goodness we have a week off. I sure know I need it.
We gotta get Dallas. What a big game.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 5, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

griffmills, Hating on Moss? Really? oye.

As a person who thought we were screwed no matter which candidate got elected, I don't feel any better this morning. As a US American, like such as, I will support President-Elect Obama and hope the rest of the US Americans, like such as, will as well and maybe we can make something out of this giant cluster-f.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 5, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Lessons that should be learned:
A) WR & RB if you can touch it you can catch it. So quit screwing around

B) The same to the DB esp. Carlos "Stove lids for hands" Rogers.

C) The 'Skins are a running team, therefore, run the ball.

D) Next draft and free agent time: Offensive linemen, 1st, last and always; quit screwing around with everything else.

E) there's two things in this world, results and excuses. Learn to produce more of the former and less of the latter.

Posted by: ronjaboy | November 5, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

ronja, agree with D, and E especially.

I'd say that OL, and DL have got to be the main focus in this next draft. From what I've read it seems like it might be a deep draft along the OL. Long way off however...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 5, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I think linebacker needs to be a focus as well, MW may not make the team next year, and I'm not sure that Fincher can get it done.

Obviously depth at most every position will be needed, but the offensive line is one the keys, if Rinehart can take over one of the guard spots, that will help, maybe Buges and Vinny's staff can find another tackle from another strong free agent rookie class, but if there is a pro-bowl caliber offensive tackle available when they pick, they should take him.

Posted by: craig2 | November 5, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

etrod, I'm just saying the excessive celebrating he does gets old....save it for a TD, not every 5 yard catch...
and Yes, you should feel better today...regardless of who you supported, you got Bush out of there, that is the 1st step in the right direction

Posted by: griffmills | November 5, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Raiders to clean house and cut DeAngelo Hall and Javon Walker among others as soon as today.

What do you guys think? I would go after Javon Walker. He knows this offense and would instantly be an upgrade over at least 3 of our WR's. If we can get him for the veteran minimum, I say we take a shot at him. This guy was a beast in GB and in Denver early on.

Good or bad idea?

Posted by: Skins1 | November 5, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I'd say the Redskins passing game was "very VERY good" against the Steelers on Monday night.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 5, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

No, no, and no....neither of them. Hall is incredibly over rated they're cutting him partially because he's over paid, and partially because he out-right stinks, and just no thanks on Walker.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 5, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

also, do NOT go after MeAngelo Hall, that dude has been the most overrated corner in the league for years. I've been saying that for a long time. He's really not that good.


also, as for this coming draft, O line is deep early on, you should be able to get a real good player late in the first round. CB is the deepest, I think you could get a really good corner mid 2nd round or MAYBE early first.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 5, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo hall will be a Cowboy by the end of the week.

Javon Walker is done. he's always been flaky and that beating he took in the off season pushed him over the edge.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 5, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

oe, agreed. In 2001, the Redskins might have done something like this, but I'm quite certain that we're past desperate moves of this nature. The Cowboys on the other hand, this is right in their wheelhouse..see signing Pacman, see trading for Roy W.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 5, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Draft is a long week off but so is our next game. So I will allow it!-Judge Mills Lane:)

Thoughts on traiding back again and just going for 2-3 2nd and 3rd round OLmen?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Is Cowboy Owner slowly going the way of Raders Owner?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Skins have cap room to try and pick up Hall?????

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/

Posted by: leevi98 | November 5, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

beep beep
(What were the election people thinking, scheduling an election the day after a big Monday Night Fubball game? Where is Starbuck's free coffee today???)

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 5, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we have that kind of cap room do we? Do we need a CB or a WR more?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are pretenders. They will be lucky to finish 8-8.

Posted by: soulmeld | November 5, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

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