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What I'm Hearing On Campbell (UPDATED)

Spoke to some sources close to him who say that barring something crazy showing up on the MRI - and the Redskins and their doctors do not expect anything severe in this case - that this looks like a 4 week injury.

They are reading the MRI now, but the early sentiment expressed to Campbell was that it was "nothing major," and a standard dislocated knee cap. Coach Gibbs might not have the full word when he speaks to us at 3 pm, so we may have to wait until later in the afternoon to speak to Bubba and get the final word on the injury and Campbell's projected recovery.

UPDATE: Gibbs says Campbell will not need surgery and will not start at the Giants, but said there is no timetable beyond that. He said the doctors are still reviewing everything. Again, I hear that Jason was told to expect a 4 week recovery time, preliminarily. We'll see how quickly his knee responds. Also, Gibbs said the slew of guys banged up Thursday night - Springs, Smoot, Samuels (foot), Cooley, Daniels, Portis all look better and are not expected to miss any games with their various ailments

Jason's injury continues what has been a nasty trend, this is likely now the 4th member of that 2005 Auburn offensive, first-round draft class to suffer a season ending knee injury. Campbell follows teammate Carlos Rogers, Miami'a Ronnie Brown and Tampa's Cadillac Williams. Strange.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 7, 2007; 2:41 PM ET
 
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Phew!!!

Posted by: blee | December 7, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Let's stop debating whether Campbell is a bad, okay, good or potentially great quarterback and think back to our expectations before the season even started. What did we expect? The more rational among us were hoping that this would be the year Jason learned the offense and got comfortable as the starting quarterback. No one was talking playoffs, no one expected him to light it up. This was to be a development year for our qb. Those were our expectations. Thing is, Jason exceeded those expectations. Working behind a makeshift offensive line, with no real running game, Jason has shown that he can play brilliant at times even when throwing to a group of undersized, underperforming receivers. I won't even go into play calling here but let's say during a trying and tragic season JC has been one of the few bright spots on offense. Fans by nature have a short attention span: every loss is the end of the world, every victory is a sure sign of great things to come. Dislocated knee aside, JC is much further along at this point in the year than any of us thought he would be. Have some patience. With a few new targets to throw to and a full year of experience under his belt, next year is the year to raise our expectations for Jason Campbell.
Oh, and before I forget, F-Barno.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Still, the injury looked painful last night and Soups is a tough guy! Here's to a speedy recovery!

Posted by: macaro | December 7, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Four week injury in a three week season isn't good. But an 8 month surgery in an 8 month offseason would be a whole lot worse.

Posted by: bronco6778 | December 7, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Campbell will be back in time to play in the NFC championship game!!! Yeah!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

Since when did Rogers play on offensive?

Posted by: straub21 | December 7, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

In Todd We Trust...?

Posted by: tdskinz | December 7, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I wish Campbell a speedy recovery, he definitely is showing promise as a franchise quarterback. Having said that however, if Todd Collins leads us to the playoffs, does Campbell start the first playoff game if he is able??

Posted by: jimwell | December 7, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

This could not have worked any better. We sit Campbell down for a few games, we get the veteran to attempt to win these 3 games and get us in the playoffs. If we don't at least Campbell will be ready to go in March spring camps.

Posted by: bethesdaboy1 | December 7, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess we can just hope for the better and wish Jason a speedy and healthy recovery. I guess some people finally got their wish for a backup QB to be in the game. I'm sorry it even had to go down this way, but it did. I'm glad we did win the game at least. Here's to a great rest of the season...go Collins!!! lol

Posted by: tamika02 | December 7, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Who moves to third string QB? ARE?

Posted by: chris_skins_balt | December 7, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Do we really think Gibbs is going to give JC his job back if Collins gets us into playoffs. Put JC on IR and let some schmoe make the roster so he can give his ol' man a Christmas present.

"This tackles for you dad!"

Posted by: Dorf | December 7, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Kinda pisses me off if they were calling the game differently for Collins. Yeah, Campbell got picked off in Dallas and TB but how are you gonna know what he can do if you do not allow him to win games. We ended up losing anyway. I'd rather lose being aggressive than fumble away leads playing scared.

Posted by: cdubb | December 7, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I can honestly say that is the first time I have ever heard of a dislocated knee being referred to as "nothing major" makes you wonder what is considered major?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Good points, Mack1.

Posted by: kitdat | December 7, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I bet Todd Collins Blog is blowin' up today!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

todd is 36 years old. 10 years too late for the skins. for snyderskins that has been the case ever since neon, bruce smith, henry ellard, mark brunell...

why can't they ever find a derek anderson, trent green, that rams SB qb, tom brady, jake delhome, even the girls qb?

we give up 3 high draft choices for a qb and then find a 60 year old todd f-ing collins. just to get our hopes up and then poof his tires deflate.

snyder really really really needs to reconsider his philosophy about a gm.

omg!!! i'm whining! sorry!

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Great game!

Bryant Gumbel is still the worst announcer in Football/Sports!

Hey Gumbel, how exactly do you dislocate a patella tendon? ...and you question Clinton Portis' medical expertise?!

Posted by: filmchis | December 7, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

cdubb et all, people who're complaining about collins getting different plays than jc. it is not true. jc always has a choice of plays. it is up to him wether to run the ball or pass. he's just made bad decisions. it's nothing to do with saunders not giving jc a chance.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes, and lets stop debating whether or not Saunders is or isnt calling different plays... the man who covers the skins and was with them in training camp says there are different plays being called.

Who else here can tell Jasno he's wrong b/c you have more knowledge.

Done, over, get better and get more reps JC. All in due time. I am glad we have a heady calm backup who can throw the ball more than 5 yards.

Gmen better watch out.

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 7, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins hasn't started a game since 1997, right?

He may can play 10 more years.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

dealer, what are you talking about? when does JC call plays?

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 7, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

JC is calling plays in the hurry up, right?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

And I dont understand how anyone can try and compare a QB with 15 years NFL experience, playbook and reps to a 25 yr old who has 20 games worth of reps and is in his 3rd year?

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 7, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

why cant we find Trent Green LOL We did find him and never gave him a shot...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

LOL!! That dislocated patella tendon comment by Gumbel was pitiful.

Dealer, 2td's 200+ yards in a half. Why the whining?

It's obvious the plays are different. Collins is allowed to attack the middle of the field, he can throw with a little touch. JC doesn't have that throw...overthrown, the safety picks it, underthrown, the middle linebacker picks it.

Posted by: dbowen11 | December 7, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

JC practices the hurry-up plays during the week. Over 3 years, how many do you think he has practiced? They set up 15 for him to choose from.

Collins knows all the plays and does not have to practice them. So he has a slew to choose from.

The coaches are using baby gloves with JC, and he is getting picked off. Ronde Barber knew excatly what play was coming when he jumped thst out 3 weeks ago for JC's 1st int.

They studied the film.

So JC does have lack of execution, and I am not dismissing that. But the coaches have not helped by limiting his plays for said no huddle.

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 7, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

why cant we find Trent Green LOL We did find him and never gave him a shot...


Not true Trailblazer. He started for us and we badly wanted to sign him long term, but Jack Kent Cooke died and there was no one authorized to sign free agents for the skins, since the team was in the process of being sold. If he had been signed it makes you wonder how things would have been. Norv Turner SuperBowl winning coach??

Posted by: jimwell | December 7, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I love Campbell but he often looks hurried or nervous in the pocket. I hope over time he will have better "pocket sense". I think Todd gives us a shot to win these games. Put Campbell on IR bring someone in maybe Drew Henson.. I think he is available has game experience and could be a viable third string guy. I don't think if The Todd gets us in the playoffs PLAYOFFS! that Campbell comes back even if he is healthy enough to play he will not be "game ready"

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

skins fans guide to rooting:

A. skins to win the next 3 (highly unlikely).
1. detroit (against girls) to lose
2. cards (against seattle) to lose
d. greenbay to lose (so the girls rest their players against the skins)
4. patsies to go 15-0 (so they kill the giants in week 17)
m. eagles over gints (just cuz)

no sense in rooting against the vikes. if the skins can't beat the vikes then they they have no shot. they can afford to lose to the giants but not to the vikes.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I was not aware that we were unable to sign Trent but if that is the case it's a shame. However and i could be wrong here but I could never see Norval taking any team to playoffs. He is probably one of the worst Coaches to ever Don a headset in the NFL

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"I think Saunders has his favorites (naturally) and he clearly doesn't trust JC enough to open up the offense."

Even if Big Al was calling exactly the same plays, Collins is going to be quicker in the "reads" than Campbell, due to his long tenure in the league. Being able to read the field quickly (and knowing the entire offenive plan) and reacting accordingly is precisely why Collins is still on an NFL roster.

Everyone talks about "the speed of the game" at the pro level - that it takes awhile for a young QB to get there. Jason Campbell is a young QB, and while he is making progress, the game has still not slowed down for him completely. When it does, he will read the field as well as Collins did last night, and has better skills to make plays. Many of the mistakes we have seen from Campbell this year (overthrows, running out of the pocket, checking down to "safe" plays) are the result of the game still being faster than Campbell. He will get there, but it just takes time. Campbell has had about 13 months - Collins has had what? 13 years?

Have patience and relax - Jason Campbell will get there.

Posted by: tafka | December 7, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious the plays are different. Collins is allowed to attack the middle of the field, he can throw with a little touch. JC doesn't have that throw...overthrown, the safety picks it, underthrown, the middle linebacker picks it.

Posted by: dbowen11 | December 7, 2007 03:23 PM

Exactly, JC needs to grow. No one is saying he is a finished product. We HAVE to establish a long term QB, not a 36 year Collins or a 38 yr old Brunell.

It is unfortunate that JC got hurt. He has only progressed since his first start last year. His biggest stumbling block that he can control is the late game heroics that not many QB's in the league have ever mastered. Truthfully he should have never been in those positions. The other thing hampering him is the play calling and lack of prep during the week. Not on him. But its like the chicken and the egg. Coaches need to open it up so he can get confidence, or he has to show more before the coaches open it up.

But I dont think there is a debate on whether JC's arsenal of plays is less than/ different than Collins. Some being called by the sideline, some being called by himself.

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 7, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

why can't they ever find a derek anderson, trent green, that rams SB qb, tom brady, jake delhome, even the girls qb?

we give up 3 high draft choices for a qb and then find a 60 year old todd f-ing collins. just to get our hopes up and then poof his tires deflate.

snyder really really really needs to reconsider his philosophy about a gm.

omg!!! i'm whining! sorry!

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 03:12 PM

trent green? Fans really do have a short attention span.

JC will back up. What if TC get hurt in the playoffs.

Posted by: mul | December 7, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

if jason of this blog says they're different then i believe him. to me run, run, pass. wasn't really different from what jc was given. only difference was that collins was hitting that pass on 3rd downs when it mattered. and jc didn't.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

thanks tafka, you said that better than i ever could.

Happy Hour time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 7, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

lets put the JC vs TC comparison in perspective...TC had, i think, 8 starts total in Buffalo. JC has had 20. TC has been sitting on the bench in one type of system for perhaps 8 years? JC has had three years to learn the system. And there has to be a reason they baby him on the playcalling??? JC's out, TC is in for the rest of the season. Get over it.

Posted by: forces | December 7, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I can honestly say that is the first time I have ever heard of a dislocated knee being referred to as "nothing major" makes you wonder what is considered major?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 03:06 PM

I believe Jason was seen mouthing "it's just a fleshwound!" as he was being carted off.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

okay the blog lost me.

trent green was okay here. rember trent green vs. gus ferrote years?

oops! cleanup on everyone's monitor!

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Good news on JC. He'll be back and fully ready for mini camps, etc.

cdubb,

I couldn't agree with you more. Where in the heck did that play calling come from during that last drive last night? If we had done that all year we'd have at least 2-3 more wins. By playing it safe, we have zero wins. Gibby, please do the math on playing it safe. You're actually losing more games because of it. I hope last night changes this trend.

coat,

I could be wrong, but I think Tampa's 0'fer was in a 14-game season????

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 7, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

i wonder if brian mitchell can still play QB. he's younger than tc right?

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

lets put the JC vs TC comparison in perspective...TC had, i think, 8 starts total in Buffalo. JC has had 20. TC has been sitting on the bench in one type of system for perhaps 8 years? JC has had three years to learn the system. And there has to be a reason they baby him on the playcalling??? JC's out, TC is in for the rest of the season. Get over it.

Posted by: forces | December 7, 2007 03:33 PM

JC has had three years to learn the system

Less than 2 full years!! Sanders came in last year.

Posted by: mul | December 7, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Totally random, but has anyone seen Return to Fat Camp on MTV? I'm dying to see it. Please tell me that girl Dianne is back... I laughed so hard at her I nearly sharted during the first one.

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 7, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

it really doesn't matter if they make it or not. i'm just glad that they'll play another game that matters in week 15.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't complement JLa's football smarts.

Do you remember AA had something left in the tank. Bears smart - skins stupid.

Run the ball 40 times a game ect.

Posted by: mul | December 7, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Interesting piece from last year written by Jason about Jason:

When Washington Redskins associate head coach Al Saunders studies tape of quarterback Jason Campbell, part of him must wish he could keep a thumb pressed on the fast-forward button. Saunders is enthused by Campbell's unflappable presence, resiliency and talent, and envisions great things for him in the future. But to get there, nearly everything Campbell does from the moment he hits the huddle must be sped up, Saunders said.

The Redskins need to simplify things enough to give Campbell the best chance to succeed over the last three games of the season while also identifying and correcting the flaws in his technique that must be refined for long-term success, Saunders said. The coaches cannot overload Campbell with too much information, and they admit it is hardly ideal to groom a young quarterback on the fly.

"His drops have got to be quicker . . . his release has got be more compact," associate head coach-offense Al Saunders said of Jason Campbell. "You start with his feet and we've said that since training camp, and move up," said Saunders, who oversees the Redskins' offense. "His drops have got to be quicker, his rhythm has got to be quicker, his release has got to be more compact, his decision-making process has got to speed up. He's a victim of his own great physical ability. In high school, he could stand back and wait for a receiver to get open and the velocity of the ball would get there before a little guy who just came from chemistry class could go and break it up. And he played against Vanderbilt [in college], and he's flushed out of the pocket and throws downfield and the ball gets there before the nuclear physicist two years down the road can get there.

"In this league, throw a route like he did there [in Sunday's loss] coming out of the end zone, and if you're a tick late the [defensive back] knocks it down. So everything is a speeded-up process. His mechanics and techniques need to be speeded up, and that'll all come. It's hard to work on things like that during the course of the season."

Although Campbell has improved in 2007, his "flaws" still keep him from being an elite QB...just look at how Collins' quicker rhythm, drop back, and release made the Skins' O run more smoothly (at least the passing game). Makes you wonder how Skins would have performed with him under center the last two years? Upcoming NYG will be the a true test.

Posted by: carter | December 7, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I could be wrong, but I think Tampa's 0'fer was in a 14-game season????

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 7, 2007 03:38 PM

Hey Ricky you're right! That means if the 2007 Patriots become a 'greater' undefeated team than the '72 Fins, the 2007 could be a 'greater' unvictorious team than the '76 Bucs, yay!!!

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

okay here's a question...

there's no question skins need another QB on the roster next season with tc being 43 and mb being mb.

so in what round should the skins select a qb? i say 4th. but they probly don't have a 4th next year. hmmmm okay 5th.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"this is likely now the 4th member of that 2005 Auburn offensive, first-round draft class to suffer a season ending knee injury. Campbell follows teammate Carlos Rogers, Miami'a Ronnie Brown and Tampa's Cadillac Williams. Strange. "

Maybe Jason was implying that, at least prior to this year, Carlos' play had been offensive.

It was good to see Carlos' improvement this year prior to the injury. And just think how good the backups will be after getting game experience this year.

Posted by: tafka | December 7, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Thanks RB. Now I have a reason to watch the last 4 games and root for us to 'lose out' our way to immortality!

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

so in what round should the skins select a qb? i say 4th. but they probly don't have a 4th next year. hmmmm okay 5th.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 03:43 PM

Dealer, Doesn't it depend, maybe a little bit, on who's available in the second and third rounds?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you have a 5th next year dealer, didn't you give that up for Kendall?

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

What kind of coin is Portis pulling down next year?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 02:58 PM


A quarter, from behind Tana's ear. He can do MAGIC!

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Bite your tongue, if we take a qb with our second/third pick, I'll scream.

We need to go, DE/G/WR, with our first three. And not in that order either.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

There is no need to waste a draft pick on a backup QB. With a new class of QBs set to enter the NFL in April, there will be a large selection of McCowns, McNowns, and McClowns to pick off the waiver wire at vet minimum salary. And most of them will be better than Brunell/equal to Collins in skills.

Posted by: tafka | December 7, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Shut down J-Cam now, we dodged a major bullet that this isn't a huge ligament Daunte Culpepper situation.....

Let him rehab and watch/learn. Seeing TC run offense will be a learning exp, especially now that he has started games...

Next year he comes back healthy, some games under his belt and maybe a cat to push him in camp in TC

Posted by: chrislarry | December 7, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

i suggested lower rounds te, out of respect to JC. they can use top rounds for an ol, dl, cb, wr.

btw, where's marcus mason?

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

nice 'Milk Crate' sweat shirt Jasno's wearing at the Gibbs presser there

Posted by: hankkuo | December 7, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Not to deflate everyone's Collins hopes, but here's just a reminder of why we need to be realistic:

Last night's game reminded me of 2002, when Warfuel went down with an injury in the Titans game (I was there) and Ramsey comes in for relief in his debut, throws for over 200 yards and a couple of TD's. Everyone jumped on the Ramsey wagon as the savior for the season, and the following Sunday he goes out and throws like 5 picks against the Packers. The rest of the Ramsey story is history, of course.

I know, different player, different stage in career, but last night did remind me of that 2002 game.

Posted by: smarty_pants | December 7, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't use any draft picks on a QB next year. I'm guessing Collins will still be the number 2 and we pick up some free agent to be number 3. We need the picks for other positions.

Posted by: frankg | December 7, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The 4th round pick in 2008 departed in exchange for Duckett, if I remember correctly. The Kendall draft pick will be a 4th rounder in 2009.

Posted by: tafka | December 7, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone here can agree that this ten day layoff could not have happened at a better time considering.... This will give our guys a chance to get healthy and let Collins have a chance to get some work in with the first team offense. So glad we didn't try to have the game pushed back. Lets try and be optimistic here the Lions are not beating the boys and my co worker (who is a die hard Seattle fan) says they got the Cards day. We need the 9ers to come up with a huge upset.... Throw in an eagles loss to the G men (just for good measure and who knows.... Look for Collins to light up the boys in blue. With our guys getting the needed rest we could actually field most of our starters.

GO SKINS!!!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Good point, chrislarry. Was it you or someone else earlier who said that Campbell should sit in the booth with Big Al? Having played for awhile, Jason will be able to learn a lot by just watching from above - who is getting open, how they get open, what to look for in coverages, etc. He may learn more in the booth in 4 weeks than he has learned by playing 12 weeks.

Posted by: tafka | December 7, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what it would be like to enter a draft with all your picks...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

We've got our 1-2-3, which is largely unlike how its been the past few drafts on the first day. I'm happy with having all our first day picks.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

good point greg

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

cdubb et all, people who're complaining about collins getting different plays than jc. it is not true. jc always has a choice of plays. it is up to him wether to run the ball or pass. he's just made bad decisions. it's nothing to do with saunders not giving jc a chance.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 03:16 PM

dealer - what are you talking about? this is a quote from Saunders on the previous post. It can not be any more clear.

"I've been with Todd for a long time," Saunders said after the game in a quote that was cut from my game story. "And it's like anything else: When you have a lot confidence and know what they can do, you have a tendency to do things a little differently."

Posted by: cdubb | December 7, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

And one other thing, even if Campbell is getting a run or pass option he may be doing the right thing. Like that stupid 3rd and goal draw against the Eagles. He had a run or pass option but ran because Philly was in pass defense. He made the right decision but don't even give him that option. Call a pass and go for the throat.

Posted by: cdubb | December 7, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have any thoughts on why the Bears were all over Jason (resulting in his injury)... Compared to how well the Skins O'Line protected Todd Collins. I don't think the Bears laid a finger on Todd? Coincidence?

Posted by: f350417 | December 7, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins is a well respected veteran around the league no one would want to be responsible for injuring him

JK

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

i suggested lower rounds te, out of respect to JC. they can use top rounds for an ol, dl, cb, wr.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 03:54 PM


To appease X_1967, I suggest that we not draft anyone for the next five years so that we can save up our draft picks, and then draft like 30 guys and have a whole new team. You can do that, right?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

We probably won't be able to beat NY & Dallas and need to contain Peterson to have a chance @ the Vikings.

We probably have a decent shot at being 8-8, but no playoffs of course.

But then their is always next year.....

Posted by: discreteindc | December 7, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If all goes according to plan, they pick up a guard, who can watch and learn, and in 2009 when Kendall is off the books, this person steps into a starting role, they pick up a defensive end, who steps in for Daniels, who most likely will be gone by next year, and they pick up a big wide out, who gets some pt learning from McCardell.

A guy can dream...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

To trailblazer658...

The question was concerning the Skins O'Line. Why couldn't they block for Jason, but looked awesome when Todd came in!

Posted by: f350417 | December 7, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Greg, don't you need youth - or at least depth - on your o and d-lines too? And another Corner - particularly if Springs doesn't re-sign?

And very sadly, you might need more help at Safety.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Were you watching that second half last night
The Todd threw for 224 yards and 2 TD's with a passer rating 144 near perfect. Just imagine if he had been in for the whole game! Giants got nothing put pressure on LBM like Grossman saw last night and Springs may get 4 int's. When the game gets out of hand for LBM he crumbles. If Dallas wins the next 2 games we will not be playing against their starters. Come on get on the TODD bandwagon it could be a thing of beauty!!!

Go SKINS!!!

P.S. Just for speculation what's happens if Todd comes in and really does light it up does it cast speculation on Campbell?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

To trailblazer658...

The question was concerning the Skins O'Line. Why couldn't they block for Jason, but looked awesome when Todd came in!

Posted by: f350417 | December 7, 2007 04:23 PM
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I seem to recall the Bears busting through our O-line on Collins' first drive and swatting the ball out of his hands for a fumble.

Other than that, Collins just gets rid of the ball more quickly than JC. He has too -- without JC's arm strength he has to let it go earlier.

Posted by: smarty_pants | December 7, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

RC, I think we have depth, youth, on the DL, with Golston/Monty. Yeah, CB could be in there as well. Picking a guard will provide youth/depth, plus I think that Heyer could become a player in this league with some training.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

tafka, I suggested putting Campbell in the booth with Saunders. And I suggested on Wednesday, while blogging my guts out, that they use the backs as receivers more. Makes me think I oughta get on Danny's payroll. Rumor is he pays pretty well.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Just for speculation what's happens if Todd comes in and really does light it up does it cast speculation on Campbell?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 04:27 PM

It means that Todd will get a little more bonus pay, and Jason will be the starter when he is ready to return.

Posted by: tafka | December 7, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I guess you're right Greg. It was interesting to hear them talking about the Chicago Defense during the game last night.

Their approach was "have lots of depth and rotate" but this year through injuries and letting people go, their depth has evaporated. Now they are look dire in the 4th quarter as they wear down.

I'm assuming this is because the Buddy Ryan style defense is all about smaller, faster guys flying around and that means they get worn down by bigger guys unless they can rotate regularly?

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

It means that Todd will get a little more bonus pay, and Jason will be the starter when he is ready to return.

Posted by: tafka | December 7, 2007 04:42 PM

And once he returns he'll be under greater pressure to perform because this is DC and we wanna win and we wanna win now and if we can do it with Todd, but not Jason, why wait?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

todd is 36 years old. 10 years too late for the skins. for snyderskins that has been the case ever since neon, bruce smith, henry ellard, mark brunell...

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2007 03:12 PM

Hey watch it there Dealer. You're talking about one of my favorite receivers of all time in Ellard. Let's not forget, Henry had 3 consecutive 1000yd seasons for the Skins playing with the likes of Freiz, Shuler, and Ferrotte. In 1994 he was on pace to shatter the receiving yard record before the Skins stupidly decided to start Shuler for the rest of the year. That still pisses me off to this day. I'd say that was a great pick up for the Skins despite his age.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 7, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Now they are look dire in the 4th quarter as they wear down.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 04:44 PM

And it all started when they traded for Archuleta.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I think putting Campbell in the booth is an excellent idea give him a chance to warm up to Saunders. Actually have Saunders call the play and then watch it unfold...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Our DBs for much of last night were Eubanks, Doughty, Torrence and Landry. Seriously, do any of them even shave yet?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

zce - If Snyder was smart, he would: 1) read this blog daily; and 2) put a bunch of us on the payroll. In many cases this season, the analysis up "here" has been far better than up "there" (Redskins Park).

I really do hope they sit Campbell in the booth with Big Al. At this point in his development, it might be the thing that "turns the light on" inside Jason's head. (As in, finally seeing the entire picture of the field and how the offense works, rather than just small slices of it.)

Posted by: tafka | December 7, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Campbell in the boot???

Do teams actually do this??

Posted by: Soup17 | December 7, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Can Jasno tell someone to put Jason in the booth?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"booth"...but I like "boot" too! LOL

Posted by: Soup17 | December 7, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Jason watch tapes every week of every play in fast motion and in slow motion? What will he see from the booth that he doesn't see on tape?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Henry Ellard ... great WR from days past. How's this for a tasty tidbit. When Gary Clark and Art Monk retired in 1995, Monk, Ellard and Clark were all in the top 8 ALL TIME in receiving yards. The other 5? 4 are in the Hall. Joiner, Maynard, Lofton, Largent. The 5th isn't in the Hall, some guy named Rice.

Bottom line, if you want to go to Canton as a WR, don't ever wear a Skins uniform.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell's problem is timing then putting him in the boot won't help. He should remain close to the field where he can better see and appreciate the speed of the game.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 7, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

There's no question JC has talent and that he's exceeded our expectations of him this year. The real question is, does he have the mentality it takes to become a player that can get it done in the clutch. In my opinion, his tempermant has always been a concern. It's hard to gauge his true personality or drive when you can't be with him on the field but you need that intangible to win consistently at this level. The most successful players in the league, or in any sport for that matter, are those that show deep passion and emotion. JC's never too high and never too low, he's always just even keel. I like having him as our quarterback, I just hope he can mature to a point where he's got enough passion to settle fore nothing else but a W.

Posted by: robbieturner1 | December 7, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

beer thirty!!!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I've always felt its good to see things from different perspectives. For Campbell, understanding how a coach sees things makes a ton of sense. A few weeks in the classroom can be a good thing. After all, its Campbell's knee thats hurt, not his head. Keep learning.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Campbell's emotions are kept under wraps to some degree because he is one of the youngest guys out there. Maybe in a year, when he's had some more success, he can start getting into the face of some of these guys. Quiet leaders can be successful, too.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

From the booth, Campbell will see the progressions as they are meant to be, rather than the way he has been doing them. Now, he probably thinks, "there is no way I can make 7 decisions in 1.7 seconds". Then he will see Collins do it, with Big All giving pointers. ("Forget the Z - he's covered deep with the safety lined up there; X is good if the Mike doesn't drop, etc.)

Jason has to anticipate what will happen before the ball is snapped - he isn't there yet. Learning to read the defense better will allow him to know what options will work better in a given defensive set.

Posted by: tafka | December 7, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

tafka,

"Big Al" needs to concentrate on the game, not on teaching Jason Campbell. He can do the teaching with films, in slow motion. Do you think that "Big Al" has never shown Jason films of how his offense worked under Trent Green?

Mind you, happy for Jason to sit in the booth if that's where the want him to sit, but I really can't see WTF difference it makes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

talent, I think its a case for Jason to listen and learn. Something very different to see Al's thinking in real time, knowing what he is spotting. Al may need to concentrate on the game, but Jason Campbell is his QB and he should do what it takes to make him better.

Todd Collins is 36, and is not the future. And seriously, the guy had a 144 rating yesterday. How often is that going to happen? That is Collins career day. Can't expect that every week. Even Brady doesn't do that every week. Not sure how many games Eli Manning has had that rating, if he's ever had it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

It just wouldn't be football in Washington without a quarterback controversy at some point!

Posted by: jaradel | December 7, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, if you want to go to Canton as a WR, don't ever wear a Skins uniform.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 04:51 PM

Definitely makes me scratch my head.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 7, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

FIRE EVERYONE, except Campbell and Cooley. Then hire a head coach, a GM, and get legit players. And then, after all of that, realize that they are two-three years from the playoffs.

Guys, they stink. And have for quite a while. The community needs to stop buying into the mornic press people around here who keep building them to be potential winners, year after year. (And they do that so you buy their papers, watch their stations, and come to this site!)

The skins stink, and have for quite a while. Its just part of life in the NFL, and I suppose, having one hell of a bad owner.

Posted by: rbates40 | December 7, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

moronic, by the way, just like my spelling ...

Posted by: rbates40 | December 7, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Seems like 17 is the magic number for Redskins offense to win most games. Can't try to protect a lead with this year's running game, if they don't have more than 17 points on the board.

At least that's the pattern I see this year.

Last night, they seemed to use the short passing game in 4th Q for ball control but more yards. It seemed more aggressive while still conservative in protecting the lead. CP only has 2 yds per carry avg. in last three games on runs.

Loved the quick pass over the middle to Betts against the 3rd down Blitz.

Posted by: Instructor5 | December 7, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chris_skins_balt | December 7, 2007 03:04 PM
Who moves to third string QB? ARE?
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That would be a hoot. Although, I would not mind seeing ARE taking a couple of snaps here and there. The guy is a baller, can run and has a pretty good arm for an Emergency QB.

Posted by: CSzaz | December 8, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimwell | December 7, 2007 03:25 PM
why cant we find Trent Green LOL We did find him and never gave him a shot...


Not true Trailblazer. He started for us and we badly wanted to sign him long term, but Jack Kent Cooke died and there was no one authorized to sign free agents for the skins, since the team was in the process of being sold. If he had been signed it makes you wonder how things would have been. Norv Turner SuperBowl winning coach??
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Ironic though. They signed Brad Johnson, he had a 4,000 passing year, a Pro Bowl and led the Skins to their only division title since 1991. Things were looking real good back then.

Of course, Boy Owner had to screw things up by signing Jeff "Temper Tantrum" George, as well as "rebuilding" a team that was 2 games from the Super Bowl, with a washed-up Deion, Bruce, Carrier et al.

Things would have been a lot different if Boy Owner had just left things alone. Heck, a LOT of things would have been different if he not bought the team.

Posted by: CSzaz | December 8, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 7, 2007 03:38 PM
I could be wrong, but I think Tampa's 0'fer was in a 14-game season????
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RickyBobby,

Yes. Tampa went 0-14 in their expansion season of 1976. They actually lost their first 26 games (starting 0-12 in 1977), before upsetting the Saints 33-14 in Week 13 (they picked off 6 passes in that game and ran three back for TDs. I remember watching the Skins game that week and CBS kept cutting away to that game's highlights because it was such a big deal that Tampa was finally going to win a game).

Then they upset the Cards 17-7 the next week. Don Coryell's last game as Cards coach as he was fired, as was Hank Stram of the Saints. I think that losing to Tampa was the final blow for both coaches.

Posted by: CSzaz | December 8, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

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