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What Now?

Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato met again late last night figuring their next plan of attack.

The attempt to land three coaches in one swoop, packaged together, does not look to feasible right now. Looks like the only way they get Baltimore Rex Ryan is by naming him head coach (he's telling people he's not leaving for a lateral move). The Seahawks want to keep QB Coach Jim Zorn and began conversations to that end last night. I see him as the next OC there when Coach Mike Holmgren walks in a year. The Redskins got deep into talks with Zorn, and these weren't coaches they were exploring hypothetically, like just to pair - or foist upon - any 'ol coach they might hire in the next 2 months.

Now, they could turn to other coordinator options who could work well with Fassel, but, again, many teams would block lateral moves (Jim Schwartz in Tennessee remains a name worth watching). They could still decide to give it to Fassel, solo for now, but that option is less appealing without the entire plan in place and the fan sentiment towards this candidate has been pointed. With no other openings, the Redskins know Fassel and Williams have nowhere to go right now, and they can be left hanging out there for a while.

So another mystery candidate could emerge, they could decide to hand it to Fassel or Williams - though as time passes it gets harder and harder to see them going that route - or they could wait until after the Super Bowl. The two most prominent names involved in the Big Game as assistants are Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo and Pats OC Josh McDaniels. The Redskins are the only team still with a HC vacancy, so it's not like anybody else would be interviewing these guys.

Gregg Williams remains on the back burner, sitting there, but people close to him don't expect him to be offered the job, and, after the way this thing has gone down, they're not sure Williams would even take it if offered. Jacksonville would love to hire him for its Defensive Coordinator opening, league sources said. Or he could depart Washington with a fat payday, take a year to pull a mini-Cowher and watch his kids play sports, and then size up offers in 2009.

Random: The contracts for Redskins assistants Earnest Byner and Kirk Olivadotti expire on Jan. 31, league sources said. The rest of the staff has another year remaining on their deals, set to expire Jan. 31, 2009 ... This nasty virus making a second wave through the house. Between that and this coaching search, making for some long nights. Thank goodness ma and pa have been coming down from B-more to help Lauren, because I am of no use to anyone these days covering this team.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 24, 2008; 11:10 AM ET
 
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Comments

First?

Posted by: jrizzo | January 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

beep beep!

No, that doesn't seem right, does it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

What a mess of a situation.

Posted by: kreitman4 | January 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Another fine mess the Boy King has gotten us into...

Posted by: jaypem | January 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

This blows! THe problem with the wait and see approach is what coaching staff will the new head coach be able to assemble after the Super Bowl considering all other HC positions have now been filled and the staffs are being assembled?

Posted by: straub21 | January 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

My first choice as HC was Williams. However, with the way this thing has seemingly played out, part of me (albeit a small part) would enjoy seeing him stick it to Snyder/Cerrato and take the Jaguars HC position.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jasno. Love ya dude but this ridiculous. Its all speculation and last night you posted that Fassel was to named HC;this was false.

Give GW the job...end of story.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | January 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Oops, I meant jags DC position

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 24, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

from the last post, this is truely a great website

http://www.firesnyderandfassel.com/

Posted by: s1kerste | January 24, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Heaven help us all!

Posted by: Lisa | January 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe this owner made billions as a marketing genius... The Redskins botch ever PR opportunity and have pissed away whatever team spirit Williams inspired in the wake of Taylor's death. Who would want to coach for this guy? Isn't an overhaul a defacto acknowledgement of rebuilding the team?

Posted by: justin.holland | January 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

This hurts my head.

Posted by: novus_0 | January 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

What makes Jim Fassel such a proven coach? I guess that's the $5 Million Question.

Posted by: wtruong | January 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

It's a sad day when you can't lock up Jim Zorn.

Posted by: ethanlj | January 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

If all of these rumors are true, if I were GW, I wouldn't want the job either - too sloppy seconds. BUT, even if they couldn't get the threesome going, I still think that they will go with Fassel.

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

This is unreal. The one thing Gibbs brought back to this organization was stability and it finally appeared Snyder was "getting it". Fassel would be the biggest mistake since Spurrier. We gained all this "team" momentum at the end of the year and now he is going to blow it all up. Williams got an incredible amoutn out of a Defense that was suspect at many positions. This all sickens me.

Posted by: vze2bnyf | January 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

If it isn't going to be Williams, go with a young newbie (Schwartz, Meeks, Grimm--heck, why not interview Byner or someone else internal to the organization). But for goodness sake, Fossil????

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. I hate Snyder. There...I feel a little better up here!

Posted by: herb | January 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I thought ya'll hated Greg Williams...

Remember...Greggggggg, "Man Boobs", Adam Archuleta, wasn't he blamed for Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark leaving, didn't the players say he had a big ego and he thought anyone could play in his system?

Now he's the second coming of Lombardi!

"Back then the didn't want me...now I'm hot they all on me."
- Mike Jones

Posted by: rickyroge | January 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I am having serious doubts about the owner and his choice of head coach. Does he not have a clue that the thought of Fassel as head coach turns our stomaches? Does he not realize that this will alienate the teams fan-base and players and make them resent him, the owner?
There's a line of thought that 'oh, everyone will forget once we start winning'. Well, we saw where that got us with all of the head coaches before Gibbs in the Dan S. era.

Dan - it's your team on paper, but it's the fan's team in reality. Do what you want, but Skins fans will be resenting you for years if you choose a head coach because of your personal inclinations instead of what's actually best for the team.

Posted by: john_info | January 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs comes back to try to lend some stability and direction to the franchise. He has mixed success, but at least seemed to have the team going in the right direction. And the idiot owner and his puppet have blown it in two weeks. What a couple of scum sucking morons Snyder and Cerrato are. Unbelievable.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I know I'd be happy with the Pats OC McDaniel. I don't understand all the support for Williams. This team has been poorly coached on both sides of the ball for several years. Time for a change! McDaniel is the next young genius. Do you really think Darth Hoody would let him call the plays if he wasn't legit?

Posted by: SwiftIT | January 24, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

if $nyder doesn't hire from within (ie keep williams), all the gains we made in the last 2 years (in re stability, consistency, confidence) are immediately lost, and this team can look forward to 3 more 8-8 (or worse) seasons.

what does fossil bring to the table other than a mediocre record and a history of being fired?

Posted by: kkkk | January 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

John-info, there ARE some owners who take the public trust aspect of sports franchise ownership seriously. But we already know that Danny Boy isn't one. He's a selfish, greedy SOB and this team will never be really successful with him as owner. Redskins fans have to deal with that. On a positive note, the Wiz and Caps appear to be on the upswing and the Nats may be promising in a year or two. The best thing that could happen for the Redskins would be that there is actually some competition for sports fans hearts and dollars in this town.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

A clarification - my take is that the reaction that has been "pointed" is to a.) Snyder and the way the process has been conducted, b.) the promotion of Cerrato, and the fact that now any potential HC has to be willing to play footsie with Vinny, and c.) selecting someone other than Gregg Williams, who is no more a known quantity for success than Williams, and in the process blowing up the coaching staff and team (by switching to a 3-4 DC vs. 4-3, etc.). It has not primarily been an anti-Fassel "pointed" reaction.

Posted by: jaypem | January 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

This could be a blessing in disguise that Snyder didn't offer them obscene amounts of money to sway guys who don't want to be here in the first place. New articles coming out on...

www.paulgoespop.typepad.com

Posted by: sportnick9 | January 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Yep, if fassel is hired woth out the triumvirate then he will have to scramble for coordinators.

Can anyone say the name BILLICK?

Flag on this whole situation

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

What a god-forsaken disaster. It's taken all of two weeks for this organization to return to complete dysfunction. I see absolutely no reason for any optimism for the forseeable future.

Posted by: huskerskins | January 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Why is Snyder hesitant on Williams: 17-31 record as a head coach with zippy playoff appearances.

Fassel went to a Super Bowl. There are a lot of head coaches that never even sniffed a Super Bowl. I don't understand why fans are so upset by the idea that he'd be our next head coach. Would you rather Snyder make the sexy choice?

Zorn rejecting the Skins would be a dumb move by him - you don't give up that $ for a job with more power than the one you currently have.

Posted by: CMoney1 | January 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Markin21132,

Thanks for posting the brownie recipe. It's the only useful, reliable information I've gotten off this site since Joe Gibbs went over the hill.

Wait, is it reliable? Hmmm. Are there more ingredients to be named later? This isn't a lateral transfer for the can of chocolate syrup, is it? Did you get this from a reliable source, and if so why won't she reveal her name? Can we trust Mrs. Markin21132 or is this her agent speaking, trying to get her a promotion in her present position?

And, after the last two weeks on RI, it looks to me like you've recycled some of the posts up here -- chopped nuts optional.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

What Snyder has failed -- and failed miserably -- is that the Redskins are not about him. Of all the franchises in the NFL, this is a fan-driven team. We love good Redskin football, not a circus.

One question I have is about the Gibbs-Snyder relationship? What was that? It seemed weird, and of course at the end of the day Gibbs was 31-36. That's below .500.

Snyder is unrealistic, arrogant and he believes his money, his cigars, his steak-dinners and sightings with Tom Cruise will make all of this OK.

Is there such a thing as an Owner's Anonymous meeting? Snyder needs help. He just doesn't get it.

Posted by: petefaggen | January 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Based on the last 4 years, here is "The G. Williams Defense"
1. D-lineman who either cannot rush the QB at all, or get pushed PAST the QB on almost every pass play.
2. D-backs who either cannot cover, or NEVER turn to see the ball as it is getting to the receiver
3. The ALL TIME RECORD for fewest turnovers forced and sacks in the SAME SEASON

Posted by: SwiftIT | January 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Fassel has been sitting around since he lost the giant job. Does his Ravens stint even count. There is zero interest in him except by the Skins. JG2 wasn't that great compared to JG1 but at least we had credibility. If the Giants lose to Tampa in the playoffs is there even interest in Spagnuolo? I'm all for continuity.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait until everyone on this blog chokes on their words.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

A multi-layered SHABINGUS! [shabingi? shabinga? shabingus'? shabinguses? shabinginaters?]

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Fandom's issue is not with Fassel...I think it's the frustation of knowing that whatever stability, chemistry, unity, hope...call it what you will...from the season ending run is gone and we are back in Danny and Vinny's bizarro-world NFL. In that 4-game run and even in a playoff loss, folks were proud to be Skins fans...the franchise was respected again. And, now it's all gone. In two weeks, the two-headed beast has undone what Gibbs painstakingly put back together. The whole joke of the HC search process is an ugly reminder of what Redskins football was under Snyder before Gibbs and what it will be now that he's gone. Meet the New Danny....same as the Old Danny.

Posted by: bbake | January 24, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Who of any material NFL substance would want to come to work for this organization after watching the way the Daniel has performed in each of is HC discussions dating to his acquisition of the Team? Who? The fact that this proud fan base and franchise as a whole is now the "laughingstock" of the league is despicable. Daniel Snyder shoulders 100% of the blame for keeping charlatans like Cerrato as his EVP lap dog. "Snyder Must Go" is a cheer that should echo through Fed-Up on opening day in September. We deserve a lot better than this pant-load.

Posted by: johnt424 | January 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

And this "pointed" reaction is not primarily pro-Williams either, in my opinion, but more pro-continuity - choosing a guy who has presumably learned something from his bad HC experience in Buffalo, and from watching Gibbs for 4 years.

Posted by: jaypem | January 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait until everyone on this blog chokes on their words.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 11:32 AM

What are you wishing for here? Everybody? Pro-fassel and anti-fassel alike? Pro-williams and anti-williams? Mark who gave us the nice brownie recipe? Even you?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Why is Snyder hesitant on Williams: 17-31 record as a head coach with zippy playoff appearances.

Fassel went to a Super Bowl. There are a lot of head coaches that never even sniffed a Super Bowl. I don't understand why fans are so upset by the idea that he'd be our next head coach. Would you rather Snyder make the sexy choice?

Zorn rejecting the Skins would be a dumb move by him - you don't give up that $ for a job with more power than the one you currently have.

Posted by: CMoney1 | January 24, 2008 11:27 AM

C;

It is because no one 'up here' wants a rebuilding year. Its because learning whole new offensive and defensive systems will take our team a step back.

We made the playoffs, tweaking is needed not an overhaul

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

So we are re building again... I just do not understand this Fossil pick. The guy is barely over 500 for his career and is no spring chicken... He got fired from his last 2 jobs and hasn't coached in 3 years??? In his last season as a HC he was 4-12 for F*cks sake!!! If Danny wanted to blow it up why not go with a guy a little younger that hasnt already proved he is mediocre at best...

What really blows me away is how 2 faced Snyder is talking all that garbage about how he was not going to change things and wanting continuity... SNYDER YOUR A LIAR!!!
We can all forget about Gibbs ever even showing his face at Redskins park since he endorsed continuity and giving Williams a shot...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't want Fassel either, but then again Wade Phillips didn't have much of a resume either, and he went 13-3 his first year. Also, I had never heard of the Green Bay coach until he went 13-3 his 2nd year. A new system doesn't always take 5 years to learn

Posted by: SwiftIT | January 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

bbake --

What did the 2005 season ending run get us? Zippy. This team has underperformed for 4 years. Why is it so shocking that coaches would be fired?

I don't support stability just for stability's sake.

Posted by: CMoney1 | January 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

We have two stooges.. we need just one more.. i guess that's what they're looking for..

Posted by: vpar57 | January 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

This fiasco is partly the fault of Joe Gibbs who left this team in a real lurch without a succession plan! All this talk about stability and the need to maintain continuity is alot of rubbish! Synders comment "If it aint broke, don't fix it" was a lie by a small-minded, football ignoramus! Skins need to promote Williams for a one year term. If he fails to improve the team then hire Cowher in 2009 and start to rebuild the team!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | January 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

sams,

I can't wait until you slip on a banana peel and break your neck.... O'doyle rules!

Again, even if he were to name Gregg Williams head coach in 2 weeks, does it make up for this clusterfart of a process?

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Remember 06 when just a new o corrdinator came in? Howd that work out.

And swftt, the bad year of defense was b/c it was trying to make up for that horrible O in 06.

Williams had two top 5 defense and the 8th this year. One off year and you want to point to that? Success rate is 75% and you wanna bash him?

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, I am talkin about everyone who is being rediculous. It's like everyone on this blog is 7. You are one of the few reasonable people left.

All the other resonables havn't been posting recently and I can't say I blame them. I can't even read this anymore until all the 1 time posters with no valid opinions go away again.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I am still under the impression that until something ACTUALLY happens perhaps reserving judgement is the best plan of action. What if one year from now, Fassell is named coach of the year, and we win the East? Wont this all seem somewhat foolish?

Can't we wait until the bullets start flying for real before we're running around like chicken littles? Am I asking too much?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

RickyBobby, I usually like your posts. Breaking my neck is a little harsh.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Danny, it would have been so simple.

Promote Williams, give him a year, get Cower in 09 if he doesn't pan out. Keeps all the fans happy.

Big mess now!

Posted by: JoeyV | January 24, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I am so f-ing done with this team if they hire Fassel. He's an absolute moron. But he
would be a great puppet.

Posted by: sallyjup | January 24, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

gregmarino88, you are added to my list of being resonable. The talk on this blog is so insane that even if he went 1-15 this would still rediculous.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

sams - that is when I start posting again. We get a new post. We get about 30-40 posts from seldom to 1 time posters. Then the people who are normally on this blog begin posting again.

Mark - thanks for the brownie recipe. I'll have to try that along with the Chocolate-Caramel Pecan pie from yesterday. Looks like a busy weekend.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 24, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Look, Gibbs 2.0 was not that great. In fact, it was downright mediocre or worse. But the fact that he was able to craft 2 winning seasons and 2 playoff appearances now seems somewhat amazing. Restoring respect and dignity to the franchise and keeping Danny and Vinny at bay for 4 years is almost as impressive as his 3 SB wins with 3 different QBs. He should get another bust in Canton for this tour of duty. No wonder he seems so happy now!

Posted by: bbake | January 24, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Look at it on the bright side. If you don't have any coaches, the Dolphins can't steal them.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 24, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Zebra:

He is 17-31 as a head coach, and in 06 he was in charge of one of the worst defenses of all time, based on turnovers and sacks (pretty important categories in this era of the NFL). I would not call that 75% successful

Posted by: SwiftIT | January 24, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

sams--

When I'm considered one of the reasonable people, we are in trouble.

And breaking your neck is not at all harsh by RickyBobby standards. It's kind of like in the theater the way they wish some one luck, "break a leg."

Anyway, this will blow over. It always has. Sween will be back, nate will be back, diddy will be back, freakzilla and kost, etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

BC, you are the man. How can you argue the value of insight such as this??????????

I am so f-ing done with this team if they hire Fassel. He's an absolute moron. But he
would be a great puppet.

Posted by: sallyjup | January 24, 2008 11:41 AM

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Yes greg you are, and I would be happy to swallow that pill, but thats a hard pill to find. The more likely outcome is the one most are lamenting up here.

And Please Please will peeps stop talking about Wade Phillips. Lets see how good of a coach he is without his coordinators. They luckily kept Garrett and he is already being groomed to take over for phillips in a few years.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Once again, the brilliant Dan Snyder has made a mess of the Redskins organization. If I'm Gregg Williams, I clean out my office and leave today, offer or no offer. The Skins D has finished in the top 10 for 3 out of the 4 years Williams has been here and he's being treated like this? So much for continuity. Snyder is basically saying that he wants to blow up the foundation that Gibbs has laid out over the last 4 years. The fact that the Giants made the Super Bowl this year shows that the Skins are not that far off considering the Skins outplayed the G-Men twice last season. If Snyder hires anyone but Williams, expect another decade of non-Gibbs mediocrity my fellow Skins fans.

Posted by: hokiepokster92 | January 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

But what does it say for the coaches we currently do have if the Fins aren't stealing them? Oh nevermind, I forgot most of the coaching staff is some kind of Asst HC.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

This is like Lord of the Rings, Return of the King. So long and drawn out! Except in our case we have no idea who the King will be.

Posted by: harbirsingh | January 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Every other team in the league has passed on Fassel, is Snyder smarter the everyone else?

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Like I keep saying if you not going with Williams cool. If you are going to blow everything up go with someone young.

Posted by: jm220 | January 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Sams3

I am with you why continue with the mediocre direction this team has been going in for the last 4 years. I think even had Gibbs stayed it would have been another 9-6 at best. Williams will be no better and of course the players want him they do not want to have to compete for positions with another coach. Lets face it we need a shake up plain and simple and for all you out there who want to give up your tickets your not real fans anyway. I would go young coordinator McDaniels or if you like Rex Ryan bring him in as HC.

Posted by: kmdp4 | January 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Every other team in the league has passed on Fassel, is Snyder smarter the everyone else?

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:45 AM

Every other team in the league has passed on Williams, too. So what?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

t_e, you're quite reasonable even though you're wrong whenever you and I argue :-)

This'll blow over. Come late April, we'll have another boneheaded decision to mull over, and come September we'll have even more boneheaded decisions PLUS some fourth quarter collapses to mull over. It's not that we ever get resolution, we simply transfer and build upon our anger from decision to decision.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

BBake, you are right. Gibbs 2.0 looks even better now when we vividly see again the complete idiots he had to deal with in management. People are not so much anti-Fassel as they are disgusted by this process, the seeming willingness to blow everything up AGAIN and start over and Snyder's lie about if it ain't broke don't fix it. And the hope that Snyder and Cerrato had learned something from Gibbs is now irreparably dashed. What a sad day it was when that twerp got the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

All this flack for Fassell, or not Fassell, and anti-Danny is amazing.

Let the process carry itself out... If GG bolts, so be it. What proof is there he is the answer. he might be OK... He might get the job.

Fassell might be OK if he gets the job.

Does anyone recall that all of last year and MOST of this year, Giant fans HATED Coughlin and HATED Eli...

Hmmmmm... maybe the fans were a little to rabid

... just maybe

Posted by: rjdeluke | January 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

New "Snickers Charged"...created for the RI coked up hamsters!

http://www.9news.com/news/watercooler/article.aspx?storyid=85009

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

McDaniels has said he won't be interviewing this year. He may change his mind after a 19-0 season, but that's what he has said repeatedly. I think McDaniels would be a fine, fine, fine choice for any organization.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Every other team in the league has passed on Williams, too. So what?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:47 AM

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse


I know I don't get on here a lot, but I have been a fan of this team for 26 years. I've seen a lot and been to a ton of games in person at RFK. Seen some excellent Redskins football -- as a lot of us here have.
Since Gibbs left in 1993 and Kent Cooke left his son in the lurch with his will, the Skins have not been the same. Moving to that ugly stadium in the middle of nowhere in Maryland didnt help.
But that said, even when the Redskins struggled during Gibbs I, they NEVER went through a possible overhaul like this. Why? BECAUSE THEY HAD A GENERAL MANAGER (Beathard and Casserly... and good assistants) and a SOLID FRONT OFFICE STRUCTURE in place. They didn't have the dog and pony freak show we have now that overreacts at everything.
The 2005 Skins playoff team had a lot of problems. However, this 2007 team had potential and I think was coming together to do some better things next year.

Snyder belongs on Romper Room. He has ants in his pants. He doesn't belong as an owner of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: petefaggen | January 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I've heard Snoop Dog wants to pursue a coaching career. I'm not sure about his relationship with Vinny though

Posted by: SwiftIT | January 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato met again late last night figuring their next plan of attack."

Where? at the local Chucky Cheese?

Posted by: pat5387 | January 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

See? I told you diddy would be back! The voice of reason, usually, except when I have to whack him for an occasional lapse. ;)

Diddy, did you read Mossberger's review of the new Mac in today's Wall Street Urinal? Must be one hot machine -- my 14 year old daughter is already poking me when the commercials come on tv.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

This trend towards "energy-infused" food is disturbing on so many levels. In 10 years, the entire country will be a bunch of fat, over-caffeinated slobs who mindlessly follow the herd mentality and consider Britney Spears sightings to be important news events.

Uh, wait...

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

There have been a handful of coaching geniuses in football history. It's all about the talent on the field. Fassel won't win any more games than Gibbs did ( probably less, actually) until we get better players at some key positions.
DS needs to realize that by getting rid of Saunders, he's effectively made Todd Collins useless. Todd is only in the league because he knows that offense. If he has to start over, he's as good to us as Tom Flick or Kim McQuilken is. NOw what do we do for a backup quarterback?
This whole situation sucks.

Posted by: freedom0125 | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Williams is not going to just leave. There's way too much money involved whether he's H.C. or not. i'm sure if he walks now, he leaves the bonus money behind.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Thanks sams3, I mean, there is nothing that has happened yet. They're interviewing candidates, they're not rushing into something without due dilligence. Sometimes, no matter what you do, people are going to find fault with it.

We're 3 months until the draft, and 7 months until training camp. Can't we be patient enough to see what they can do as a team when that time comes before passing judgement?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Every other team in the league has passed on Williams, too. So what?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:47 AM

Williams has been employed since he was fired as head coach. Nobody questions Williams' tactical brilliance. It's not very encouraging when a candidate can't find job elsewhere, even at a lower level.

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM

Umm other teams can request permission to interview him for HC jobs.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM

Not as head coach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Read my lips, no new taxes...

Sorry wrong guy.

Must be "if it isn't broken..."
DannyBoy.

Must be the town.

Posted by: SHEEHANS | January 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

t_e, I did read the review. I was down at MacWorld and got to play with it for quite some time. I'm looking forward to having one. It's an unnecessary extravagance, to be sure, but it's gorgeous and shiny :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

sorry i meant to say williams has been employed throughout since he was fired as HC.

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

rjdeluke: yeah sure,we should all trust Danny Boy and Vinny the puppet because their decisions so far have been so brilliant. What a mess

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Does Danny-boy really understand the contempt that the Redskins fans have for him? All he needs to do is have his lacky-VP Vinny read the posts and listen to the TV and radio.

Dan: If you give a damn about the Redskins fans, grovel at the feet of Gregg Williams and apologize for the pathetic way that you and Vinny have treated him, -- and beg him to take the job (unless you can buy Bill Cowher).

Its GW or Cowher. The Skins fans (who pay the freight) deserve nothing less.

And put some state-of-the-art HD video screens in FedEx with replays like Green Bay has! You've certainly made enough off of us to afford them!

Posted by: AWWNats | January 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM

Umm other teams can request permission to interview him for HC jobs.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM

Do you think Snyder would give them permission? GG will take a year off and get paid.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

thank you bob, we would have to give grilliams permission to talk to others, which we didnt since he is a candidate and under contract.

I truly feel bad for him. They wont let him out of his contract until they find their new head coach, and other positions are being snapped up while he is kept in the dark. That is the classlessness of Vinny and Dan.


and swiftit, i dont really care what his coaching numbers were at buffalo. Different team different time. I know he established three great seasons on Defense compared to one horible one. Did you sour on Gibbs b/c of 2006?

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Jason Garrett been interviewed yet?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | January 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Can't we wait until the bullets start flying for real before we're running around like chicken littles? Am I asking too much?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 11:39 AM

Greg, I have to disagree. The way that Snyder has handled this coaching search is beyond farcical. At first, he appeared to have this in hand - he interviewed Schwartz, then the mystery candidate (who we now know to be Fassel), GW at length, and Ron Meeks. Had he stopped there, and named GW the coach, he would have been fine. But no - he also had to interview Mora Jr., Fassel (again), Zorn, and Ryan, all the while leaving GW and the players hanging, and he STILL hasn't made up his mind. This should have been a fairly quick decision, but Snyder is a control freak extraordinaire, and logic just doesn't figure into the situation. Four years ago when Gibbs was hired, everyone knew it was a short term thing, and that he was grooming someone to take over the team in the long term. That someone was Williams. He is not the same coach he was in Buffalo. He has learned some patience and humility but without losing his fire and his backbone. Now that Gibbs has returned to his well-deserved retirement, Snyder wants to blow it all up. Why? What was the point of having Gibbs groom a successor if you're not going to promote him?

People think the sky is falling because, in the 12 years prior to Gibbs' return, the sky fell just about every season. We haven't had a season with more than 10 regular-season wins since 1991-92, and only 2 seasons since then have we gone 10-6. I'm sorry, but in spite of this year's playoff appearance, 9-7 or below is pretty mediocre, and there have been a LOT of mediocre seasons since that last SB win. Redskins fans are TIRED. We're tired of being jerked around, of having the best offseason only to have a mediocre or worse regular season. With Gibbs leaving again, the bottom fell out. Our one shot to keep our roster and our vision intact and consistent was to promote Williams. Now, we're looking at rebuilding - again. Sorry, but we as fans have seen this before, and we know where it leads. So yes, maybe we are jumping the gun on claiming that the sky is falling, but it's not like we haven't seen this pattern before.

Posted by: jaradel | January 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Does all this matter? Who cares who's going to coach the team, they'll be mediorce anyway. Let's give it a rest and move on. The Wizards are playing well and Spring Training starts next week. The Redskins, as long as Danny owns them, will never be better than they are now, which is a middle-of-the-road team that sneaks into the playoffs every few years as a wild card and loses early. I say we stop paying attention.

Posted by: rodeorob | January 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM

Umm other teams can request permission to interview him for HC jobs.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM

umm joeyv, there're no more hc vacancies out there. everyone who had a vacancy thought he was a shoe-in for st. joe's job. so yeah he got screwed. and i'm hoping that snider fires him so double G can cash his 3 mil.

Posted by: dealer | January 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder is waiting on Spagnuolo, well...his resumes pretty thin.

He's only been a DC for one year.

http://www.giants.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=10

Posted by: gdennie | January 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse


I'd be ok with McDaniels and Blache....AS LONG AS VINNY IS NOT PICKING THE PLAYERS THE COACH HAS TO WORK WITH.

Let Williams leave, I love the guy, but he has been totally disrespected now. Now way he'd want to stick around and I don't blame him.

Man this is really ugly. Total debacle.

Posted by: the_squire | January 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Return of the King is a great movie! And if you didnt already know who the King was you shouldnt have been watching anyway!!!!!!!

Snyder is a soul sucking ring wraith so I understand the dislike and vitrol for him. But I agree everyone chill....your harshing my mellow!

At least save your freak outs until there is hard news. Snyder is Sauron we know this already so getting reupset about is just causing you ulcers.

My dream line-up:

GM: Elrond

Coach: Gandolf

OC: Aragon

DC: Bormir

OL Coach: Samwise

Secondary coach: Legolas

LB Coach: Gimli

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

sams,

come on, bro. you know I was joking. that's why I added in the O'Doyle rules comment after my comment.

I desperately hope you were right in the long run. shake and bake, baby.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

There will always be sychophants. But the huge majority of Redskins fans see what a complete disaster their team's management is and have seen the hope of any Joe Gibbs-created maturity and stability cruelly destroyed in just over a week's time.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"after the way this thing has gone down"

Is the past always the key to the future? Is Snyder forever regarded as a meddlesome rich kid trying to buy a Super Bowl? Does not 4 years with Gibbs, (seeing how he operates) account for anything? Have you forgotten the 4 deep discussions Snyder had with Williams? Do you know what they talked about in those 4 deep discussions?

Heresay and jumping to conclusions, trying to divinate the unknown with qualifiers such as "after the way this thing has gone down" reveals what you think (your bias towards) about Snyder.

Although I am drawn to this blog against my better judgement (like doughnuts), I think I can understand now why Gibbs/ Portis/ Moss made mention of "you all write what you write" (with disdain) in their many interviews.

Why perpetuate negativity towards Snyder when Gibbs always mentioned how good and helpful Snyder was to him and the Redskins?

You made me feel like the Skins are gonna have a 3-13 record next season because Snyder's gonna blow everything up. Thanks!

Posted by: jazz2112 | January 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

What a frickin disaster! I think Fassil is the only guy who will even take this job! We are turning into the Atlanta Falcons, nobody wants the job, so they turn to a nobody! Heck, Fassil probably won't take the job after yesterday! Plus, the players are so embarrassed they aren't excited about football anymore! The day Danny learns to respect others opinions, and listen to people who actually know what they are doing, is the day we get are beloved Redskins back!

BEAN PIE!!!!

Posted by: redryan400 | January 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Jason Garrett been interviewed yet?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | January 24, 2008 11:56 AM

Garrett was the obvious first choice. It's a promotion, hurts the Cowboys, plus...he's the most qualified Coor. in the league.

Anybody that rejects Garret because of his pedigree is as stupid as Snyder.

Posted by: gdennie | January 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

what a pair of arrogant wannabes, embarrassing a lot of good football people while pursuing their own fantasies. Good thing for DS he made his base money elsewhere 'cause he's shown no aptitude for football, theme parks, or restaurants. Runaway ego with under-qualified sidekick. For our sake, hope they get lucky.

Posted by: joe2chase | January 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I think Danny Boy should hire the Capitals new coach, Boudreau. He seems pretty good.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

It's almost to the point I don't want to make the playoffs any more until the Boy Wonder and the pool boy move on. Everytime we've made the playoffs, Snyder seems to want to make a big splash instead of realizing a playoff team is only a couple games away from being real good. Couple games = Couple Pieces at select positions. The proof is in the pudding, 3 times we've made the playoffs since Gibbs left the 1st time. 1) bring in the hall of fame fantasy team and bring in JEff George after your starting QB made the pro bowl and led you to a division title. 2) when the offense needed only a little tweaking we go get Al Saunders and make people a whole new scheme, which took the Rams and Chiefs 12-18 months to learn and make go like they did. 3) this current fiasco.
Get Williams taken care of and keep what you said Snyder, continuity and stability. This with all the restructuring of contracts will be a little easier when players know that everything looks to be back in place and they can focus on making the improvements necessary to take the next step, this team was 9-7 and could have very easily been 12-4 last year.
Hey Danny Boyy(HELLO MCFLY!!!!)
GO Skins, Caps, Wiz, Terps, and Hoyas
BD

Posted by: BBDwrestling | January 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs did one thing weel this year. He handled the Sean Taylor tragedy. Everything football related was suspect.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | January 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

If I were Williams, I'd say no thank you and wait to be released.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Leaving, Turner out since Danny inherited him...Under Marty, Spurrier, and Gibbs the team has not performed. So what has been the constant? Snyder and Cerrato (outside Marty's one year here when Vinny was exiled). This model does not work. Get a real football personnel guy in here to pick the coach and the players.

Posted by: bbake | January 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Jazz, you are completely missing the point. What is so devastating is seeing the hope that the two mental midgets would have learned something from Gibbs dashed in just over a week. These two are complete incompetents and, left without adult supervision, are the keystone kops of football. The Gibbs years changed NOTHING.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

If we let Olivadatti get away, we'll end up regretting it. If you want to give the team to an unknown, he's a good candidate. He'd also make a fine defensive coordinator, except that Snyder is obsessed with landing a big name, as if that's worked well for him before with players or coaches, Joe Gibbs excluded.

Posted by: lordtwang | January 24, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

You mean Snerrato's managment moves have blown up in their face?!? Imagine that...

Grilliams seriously can't take the HC position at this point. He's got to figure that if they really really wanted him, they'd have made him the offer. By leaving him dangling it is clear that he's little more than a backup plan if the rest of their moves collapse. And id I were Grilliams I wouldn't want to start my HC career with the Skins on that note. I don't even know what to think of this Fassel bit - an old retread whose stock has been falling ever since his freak Super Bowl appearance.

The only way Snerrato salvages this is if they scoop up McDaniels and he turns into the 2nd coming of Sean Payton.

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Also, I think I can tell now why Gibbs wasn't as successful this time around. Sure, a lot of things passed him by, but this franchise is a soul-swinging mess.

Posted by: lordtwang | January 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News

After his master plan to hire Fassel, Zorn, and Ryan fell through, Redskins owner Dan Snyder attempted to appease angry fans upset over the decision shake up the organization once again by not Hiring Greg Williams with this shocking decision. "A head coach is not necessary, as we have two talented coordinators under contract, Snyder said". "Although clearly not head coaching material, they are capable enough to take orders from Vinnie, who will be appointed VP and Head Coach of football operations".

Snyder went on to say that he will take the sole responsibility for "throwing the challenge flag", and noted that "I am working closely with Toy's R' Us executives to create a special launching device that will allow me to launch the flag from the comfort of my Luxury Suite"

Posted by: HokiePaul | January 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I love the people who keep pointing out Williams record as HC of Buffalo. May I remind you that Belicheck was hardly a boffo success in his first HC job either.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

For all the Gibbs bashers out there, you know who you are, this is why he was the quintessential ringmaster to this circus and probably why he decided to bail early.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

so it looks like it's not going to be williams, and hopefully not Fassel. So that leads me to wonder who. I think I like Meeks as HC and switch williams with schwarts for DC ...i don't know who for OC, maybe try to get rick dennison from denver; he's done a great job with that O-line over the years. I'm not sold on McDanials and you could probably only make the coach. I think you could throw elmer fudd in as a patriots assist. and he's look good with that team.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

It would seem that Danny has no interest in hearing any fan-base or community feedback unless it already matches his own.

He seems to be censoring the message board access on redskins.com to filter out those who speak truth-to-power.

This guy would fit right into a post in the Bush administration cabinet!

At this point I would not blame GW if he withdrew his name form consideration and packed his ditty for Jacksonville or wherever.

Napoleon needs to meet his Waterloo. A humbling by no one wanting the gig except those that the fan-base will not be receptive to, or welcoming.

Let 'em play in front of empty seats. It worked for fans of the NBA Portland Trail Blazers when owner Paul Allen turned that team into the "Jail Blazers" and fans stopped coming to games. It got owner Paul Allen's attention in a hurry and things were worked out ultimately. Danny should dial-up Paul.

Posted by: w7dah | January 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Why is this such a freaking disaster, its called a hiring process for a reason, the job hasn't been offered to anybody yet, so we missed out on Zorn and Ryan, big deal, there are 5-10 other guys in the league just as qualified, so maybe we don't get Fassel, big deal. Snyder hasn't made a mess of anything yet, he is taking his time and trying to figure out what he thinks is best, its real easy for us to sit and scream "hire GG" but then we'll also sit here and kill snyder if manboobs loses for not looking hard enough at other candidates. GG has done nothing to make him the end all and be all of HC candidates, and neither has Fassel or anybody else for that matter. And if Cerrato is finally in charge of the roster completely, than who cares if we wait two more weeks, personnel is still be evaluated and the new coach whoever he is won't have that responsibility anyway, so let Snyder take his time and try and make a good decision. And that certainly isn't just promote Gregg from an overpaid underachieving staff simply cause a bunch of fickle cans are screaming for it, but would change their tune in a second if Gregg started the year 0-3.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

So Dan went from having no "Plan B" in the event Coach Joe left to this grand scheme to wrap up three coaches at once with a big pink bow? Brilliant! We ain't gonna be winning next year, at least we got this going for entertainment.

Ding! The Captain has turned on the "Fasten Your Seatbelt" light. You've been allowed to move about the cabin for the past four years. But it looks like things are going to get a little bumpy.

Stability, schmability. We don't need no stinkin' stability!!!!!

Posted by: terrdeac | January 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree that we should wait and see what becomes fact before we go any futher with the speculation. Just look at what happened last night when everyone said that it was a done deal and announcement today. Nothing happened. I do think that they screwed up the process and would make any coach twice about coming here. If not GG then go young and let them build the team.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Stumped. Seeing Danny Boy and Vinny the puppet operate on their own just shows what Gibbs had to deal with. He went from a great owner and GM in Gibbs 1.0 to dealing with two complete incompetent in Gibbs 2.0. More credit to Gibbs for what he was able to accomplish during his second tenure.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

lol fickle cans was supposed to be fickle fans....that's funny

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

You stay classy Daniel Snyder!!!!

IDIOT!!!!

Posted by: redryan400 | January 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Dan Synder is an arrogant idiot. He has turned this franchise into a joke. He has alienated the current coaches, players, and most importantly the fans. I for one will no longer be putting any of my money into this team. I can't change my heart but I can sure as hell change how I spend my dollars.

Posted by: ghcasey | January 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

it's pretty clear that they want a pushover. and i have a feeling that even if cowher was available he wouldn't have been contacted cuz he's got a spine.

and yes, we are already eating our words sams3. there's been only one person who's been right about this situation so far and it is lisa. but thank you for sticking around. like i said you and te have provided a great punching bag.

lisa, i thought he would've learned by now. who knew?! he(snider) got lucky during the tech boom and he thinks he's the shtiz.

Posted by: dealer | January 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Save me Jeebus!!

Posted by: D7 | January 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

GG is an arrogant prik, absolutlely. But to me that's exactly the kind of guy we want as HC. You know he won't let snyder or vinny the d bag push him around. Fassel would be a hand puppet, nothing more. And GG isn't the dik to players he once was, that is obvious by the fact that even the offensive players have publically called for him to be named HC.

Posted by: tcerand | January 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

In three out of four years if you take a top five offense and put it with a greg williams defense, you probaly win the division and maybe the super bowl. We are either very close or just as far away.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Hiring Fassel makes no sense. This guy is barely 10 yrs younger than joe, add that to the fact he has run teams into the ground and commanded an offense to a standstill, you have possibly the worst canidate possible. This guy got fired as a Head coach, and an o cordinater so what do we get from hiring him.

Posted by: mrodlauer | January 24, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Snyder doesn't want Gregg W because he can't deal with a strong personality. We already saw that with Marty. Instead, Fassel is a weakling who just wants to coach and will be a yes man. Just like Vinny the puppet.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

wow...this is like a freight train going downhill with no brakes....Despite the fact that absolutely NOTHING has happened...we're doomed, DOOMED I say.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The beat reporter and his blog are getting absolutely ripped to shreds right now on Redskins Radio 730 am. Words like "slander" and "irresponsible journalism" are being throw around and I gotta say, it's hard to disagree with them.

TRACKING THE REDSKINS WITH THE BEAT REPORTER.

Below are updates on the Redskins coaching search from Washington Post's Redskins beat reporter Jason La Canfora. Stay tuned for more updates as we get closer to the end of the search.

"Redskins are interviewing Seattle Qb coach Jim Zorn for an offensive coordinator position. This continues to jibe with what I have heard through this process about Al Saunders possibly being in hot water." Beat Reporter, January 23

"I keep hearing that Jim Fassel is in a great position to get this job" -Beat Reporter, January 22

"Gregg Williams is by far the leading candidate for this job." -Beat Reporter, January 12


"Bill Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"former Baltimore DC Rex Ryan would replace Gregg Williams if it goes down this way" -Beat Reporter, January 22

"The Redskins have still said nothing to Williams and the rest of the coaches and all signs pointing to Fassel." -Beat Reporter, January 22

"This franchise went from 900 million to 1.5 billion since Gibbs came here in 2004. That's the bottom line here. Snyder is not gonna give the head coaching job to someone that doesn't have that big name, that sex appeal, who is not going to help him sell club level seats, and expensive suites." -Beat Reporter, January 8

"I Need A Job Where I Can Just Make Things Up And Create The News" -Beat Reporter, January 21

"In an era of rampant speculation I am being as careful as I can." -Beat Reporter, January 21

"For all of the yapping about continuity and stability, sure sounds like a blood-letting is upon us. Owner Dan Snyder was given multiple opportunities to endorse an in-house candidate, and specifically Gregg Williams, and declined to do so." -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Jim Fassel, former Giants coach and Baltimore assistant, could be getting a look." -Beat Reporter, January 21

"Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to. Now, as I mentioned earlier Cowher would want full roster and personnel control and probably want to bring some of his own people in as well" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Cowher is off the market...He knows the kind of $$$ Snyder spends and he is not wavering in his stance" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"I'd be stunned if the Skins don't reach out to Cowher soon" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"If it's Gregg Williams, the process will be over in 3-5 days" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Several NFL sources said that they took the identification of Schwartz as a candidate as another sign that Williams, who the players strongly support, does not appear to be the front runner." -Beat Reporter, January 10

"It doesn't come off as a great sign that they bring in Williams's former assistant, obviously" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"We've just started this process. It's the first interview of many. We need to slow down. It's impossible to see the entire picture right now. It's a fluid situation and this isn't free agency - you don't hire every guy you bring into town." -Beat Reporter, January 10

"I thought he and Gibbs could have sent a much stronger message about the validity of their in house people as candidates at the press conference" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"Wouldn't it be an indictment of this entire Joe Gibbs 2.0 era if Snyder went through the process then handed it over to someone with little-to-no head coaching experience - without at least talking to the in-house guys first" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"Greg Williams will most definitely be a part of the process and, as I posted earlier, he is expected to interview at the end of the cycle, likely the final interview." -Beat Reporter, January 11

"But to this point I do not have anything firm enough to meet the Post's standards" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"It would really be something to have none of Gibbs's guys even get an interview" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"the consensus I keep coming to is Williams is the guy" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"Got an email from one of those on-line casinos with the odds for the next coach of the Skins. It's notable for what it doesn't say more than what it does:

Gregg Williams - 2/1
The Field - 2/1
Bill Cowher - 5/1
Al Saunders - 5/1
Brian Billick - 6/1
Jason Garrett - 9/1
Mike Singletary - 12/1
Rex Ryan - 12/1
Jim Caldwell - 15/1

So, basically, Vegas has no idea at this point" -Beat Reporter, January 9

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Here Danny Boy has the chance to really do something that almost no one would criticize (hiring Williams), but his ego and his jealousy get in the way again... And we all really thought he was making progress with this personal issue of his.

Danny Boy just can't stand having to deal with someone who actually knows more about football then they do. Someone who will stand up to him. Someone who is respected by his players. Most of the players think Danny Boy is nothing more that a controlling wanna be, a despot, a jock sniffer. Not giving the job to Williams proves this.

Good luck Gregg, we'll miss you.

Posted by: fred5629 | January 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Gregmarino: PLENTY has happened. We've seen that without Gibbs, Danny boy and the puppet are just going to go on doing what they did BEFORE Gibbs. Which was a disaster.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I thought Snyder was finally getting it, too. Guess it's time to consider the 'Skins the same as the Angelos/Orioles; as long as Snyder owns this team we are guaranteed middle of the road if not basement status.
Bye-bye Redskins, I used to know you well.

Posted by: edwestern | January 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans have had it with the Vinny BB and Dannyboy show - if they can't get it right this time after Joe Gibbs showed them how to run a football organization, then fans should cancel their season tickets and boycott the games. Let's show Dannyboy that he can't highjack our team any longer. Hail.

Posted by: Jaymand | January 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

We should make williams the coach and make olivadotti the D cordinator. We need to keep gregg at all costs. the defense was great this year, without many key players and i dont think the offense can get any worse than it was in terms of game plan. I dont care who runs the O as long as we keep williams who has proven that he can Make our defense great. i just dont feel that Rex ryan would be able to coach our guys up like williams. every time he faces a huge challenge, he finds a good plan to stop the o.

Posted by: mrodlauer | January 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

This whole process is absurd and I cannot believe Snyder and Cerrato could botch this thing up so bad. We have one of the highest paid coaching staffs in the league that are highly qualified to coach in this league and they have had four years experience learning from one of the best Coaches to ever walk the sideline. How do you not quickly and decisively promote GW to the HC position and keep the coaching intact?

And why are Snyder and Cerrato so hasty to get rid of Al Saunders? It seems common knowledge these days that to adjust to a knew OC takes two to three years to master. Saunders is entering is third year, why throw away two years of hard work when the fruit of the labor is about to be experienced.

Posted by: dtespn | January 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Let's just do what we always do.......PUNT

Posted by: drbatchelor | January 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey - I have no problem with a rebuild. I think you can make an excellent case that GG and 700pgs don't deserve another chance.

BUT

It won't be called a rebuild and player acquisitions will be made as though we are just a player or two away from winning it all.

Fassel is not the guy you hire for a rebuild, although SexyRexy may be.

This remind me very much of the Uncertainty principle.

The cat in the box is neither dead nor alive until the box is opened. That is where we are, looking at a box and wondering, is the cat dead, or alive?

Posted by: RedBee | January 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

People say that we should overhaul because the team is mediocre at best. Look at the facts, excluding the patriots game, we didnt lose a sing game by more than a touchdown, with a 1st year starter at QB. Once we get a little more expirience and our o line back i think those close losses will turn into wins. i wish we could have given it one yr to see how it went.

Posted by: mrodlauer | January 24, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

If I were GW I woud go coach defense for the Cowboys.

Posted by: smittdiddy | January 24, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

If GG not hire, I could go with Al Sander. He is better than Fassel for sure.

Posted by: kennyvivi04 | January 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm so tired of the Redskins being a laughing stock. We had a four year respite while Gibbs was here. But now I remember how miserable it feels.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

This is utterly ridiculous! Coaches, players and fans should all be insulted.

It's taken Danny Boy 2 weeks to erase 4 years of work. He's messing with people's livelihoods. Granted these coaches make alot of money, but he's basically screwed the existing staff out of a job next year. Why would you blow up a team that's made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years ??

He and his sidekick Vinny have made a joke of this team.

It's embarassing to be a Redskin fan right now.

Posted by: joeallen5 | January 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

pogues, they have not hired anyone. They haven't done ANYTHING but interview people, right? What was wrong with that?

They haven't hired anyone. Period. Any preconceived notions that you have that they're going to start acting the fool, aren't valid until they happen.

Lets let this play out a little more, before people jump off a bridge....

Go have a piece of apple pie....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, the blogs and media in general have accomplished one thing, by predicting that Fassel will be named HC, Snyder may now do something else, just to prove he's the boss. Add to that the complexity of all the deals he's trying to get done...well, expect the unexpected.

Unfortunately, consciously or unconsciously this seems to be the level we're dealing with.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: sportnick9 | January 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Why perpetuate negativity towards Snyder when Gibbs always mentioned how good and helpful Snyder was to him and the Redskins?

You made me feel like the Skins are gonna have a 3-13 record next season because Snyder's gonna blow everything up. Thanks!
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If it squawks like a duck...

Posted by: live1 | January 24, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby, you are the man, as usual.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Jazz2112: Gibbs says a lot of things in an overstated manor; like Snyder is helpful, the Jets are the toughest team on our schedule, winning a Super Bowl is the hardest thing ever, etc. If you can track down anything negative he's said, please show me...

Snyder is the sole reason for this team's failures. His stubborn stance that the front office structure works is the most misguided, delusional view I think I've ever seen in a person without a mental health defect. It's been nearly 10 years, and you're 9 games under .500: you'd think he would go back to the drawing board by now. The only way for him to show he's finally "getting it" is to hire a qualified (buh-bye, Vinny)GM to run the football ops and butt-out. If Snyder wants to impress me and the rest of this fan base (those of us who actually stay for this crap), go park a dump-truck full of your millions in front of Scott Pioli's house in New England and beg him to clean up this mess.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I sure wish Joe would have at least stayed on as Team President. He might have been able to avert this pr and communication disaster.

Posted by: puttinforbird | January 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I think the Danny is thinking if he promotes Gregg Williams, it would be like Jack Kent Cooke promoting Richie Petitbon after Joe Gibbs left the first time around and that the redskins will go 3-13. If he hires Fossil Fuel, we will go 1-15. Why not promote Gregg Williams and hire Brian Billick as the Offensive coord??

Posted by: winstonsalem | January 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we can assume that Williams wouldn't take the job if it were offered to him at this point. Part of him might want to stick it to Danny, but there are a limited number of HC vacancies that you ever have a shot at, and he has the support of the players and fans. Still a pretty good gig for Williams if Snyder could come around.

At this late date, Snyder may have no choice but Williams, as filling all the other asst coaching spots would be difficult for any coach coming in.

Posted by: cabraman | January 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

whoever we get, it just has to be someone dedicated to the skins and staying here.. it was absolutely stupid going after zorn, who has seahawk running thru his blood and would probably bolt the min an opportunity presents itself there, and dido for rex ryan and mora jr.. these guys just used their interviews to get raises.. and in the meantime you've ruined the relationship with greg williams.. Jasno's title should continue.. now what, you idiot ?
at this point, after you've pissed everyone off, destroyed relationships and again validated why no one should work for you, just wait for the superbowl to end and get spags or mcdaniels.. seems to me the only way to go..

Posted by: vpar57 | January 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

If Fassel is the guy Snyder/Vinny want then they should just hire him and strike fast to get Zorn - if that's who they want. Sounds like the Seahawks think pretty highly of him. They can focus on a DC (Ryan, Rivera, etc.) afterwards. By not acting now they'll make this a bigger shabingus than it already is - pissing off both Williams and Fassel and probably not getting Zorn either.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

btw people who're throwing up at the idea of fckusall as the hc don't necessarily guarantee that gregg would be a success. we all agree on that he is million times better than jim fckusall. who will fckusall!

knock on williams as a personnel person:
1. the shabingus
2. drafting carlos rogers
3. drafting rocky mac (was known to be injury prone)
4. letting AP go

and that's why you need a good personnel person to save coaches from themselves (tj duckett, randle el, mark brunell)

snider's and his RB partner's resume:
1. bruce smith
2. deion sanders
3. mark carrier
4. jeff george
5. ryan clark (not resigning)
6. walt harris (not resigning)
7. no draft picks
8. jason campbell for 3 picks
9. patrick ramsey
10. i could go on...

Posted by: dealer | January 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Snyder, any time you feel like skipping town around midnight you let me know, I will provide the transportation for you, Vinnie, and your team. I will be more than glad to help you keep continuity with your friend Gibbs in the Carolinas. You can leave the existing coaching staff here, we'll keep the real continuity and build upon it.

Posted by: opita | January 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I am not a fan of Fassel, nor do I believe he could lead the Redskins into the future. Q: Why hasn't any other NFL team with a head coaching position open interviewed FASSEL? A: He does not qualify to be a head coach. He only knows how to follow; not lead. My opinion only.

Posted by: jmpatnode | January 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

guys- this just in-
cnn is reporting fassel's got the job and there is a press conference at 3:00pm

Posted by: yellow_jacket98 | January 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

We all have no idea about what is going on inside Dannies mansion so lets just wait and see what happens. Also, did i miss or has anything been heard of from Williams.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Here's a nugget to make you throw up in your mouth. If Saunders goes, Collins is now worthless to us. That leaves us with a QB trying to learn his sixth offense in seven years. If Fossil is our new boy, guess what veteran he brings in to run his offense until JC stops his head from spinning. Kyle Boller, boys, in burgundy and gold. Let the points soar!

Posted by: drbatchelor | January 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I am a Redskin fan of more than 50 years. I have seen virtually everything that can happen to a pro football franchise in that span. But this Snyder-Vinny madness is getting to me. What jerks these two are. I am reaching the point where I wonder if working around them led to Joe Gibbs' departure as much as the illness of his grandson. Who in their right mind would want to coach for these two morons. They go after people who are not even in a position to leave their jobs. They show total ingratitude to Coach Williams and the others who went through hell for this team in the 2007-08 season. They are on the verge of blowing up the team yet again, destroying everything Coach Gibbs accomplished. They are, in sum, in over their heads. But what are we to do? Snyder, unfortunately, owns the team. There ought to be a law against that. But that is not the way this works.
All of us who have worked for suits like Snyder understand how these folks operate.

It would not surprise me if the Redskins have something like a 1-15 or 3-13 season this year. The bottom line here is the win-loss record. But Snyder and Vinny do not have a clue on how to get there.

Williams have been treated like a rag doll in this deal. I hope he lands with another team and haunts us for decades.

Posted by: royhobbs56 | January 24, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs has to take some of the blame for our present mess. He was the one who traded an All-Pro corner and a 2nd rd pick to denver,gave Jacksonville picks for a qb they were about to release, gave san fran 2 picks for nothing,allowed the arch deluxe mess to happen. Seems to me, Gibbs' hands are just as dirty as the Dan/Vins

Posted by: shanteefamilee | January 24, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst I've felt about the Redskins since they signed Deion Sanders.

This was such a cut-n-dry situation.

I don't care anymore. I've already told my golfing buddies we can make our Sunday tee times next year at noon instead of 8:00 a.m.

Posted by: philipwhite1 | January 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

JLaC: "...because I am of no use to anyone these days covering this team."


Gee, I thought a certain someone would have tried to knock this one out of the park.

It would have gone foul, but still...

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Can someone get the picture of Fassel off of the main skins page. I am a skins fan in MN and if Fassel is hired I am thinking about canceling my Sunday ticket

Posted by: mrgreen_28 | January 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

By the way, Al Saunders is not a problem, he is a proven winner as an offensive coordinator. The problem was Gibbs not letting Al do his thing. The HOF should recall the selection of Gibbs.

Posted by: opita | January 24, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

GregMarino: I think you need to readjust your sychophantic thinking and look at the real picture. The entire PROCESS has been a joke. Danny Boy and his if it ain't broke don't fix it comment. The four interviews for Williams, who has been here four years. The Mora thing. Now Fassell. What a disaster.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Any one else hear anything about the CNN report just for verification since we have heard a lot of rumors in the last 24 hrs.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Fassel, if really hired, is going to bear the brunt of an unbelievable negative reaction from the fans. Which isn't fair to him, but I hope he knows what he's getting into. It will be ugly.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Things that would be hilarious:

Danny-boy shops so long for a HC/OC/DC so long that basically anyone who is worth hiring begin to understand the inpet lunacy they'd be subject to and withdraw interest - at ANY price.

Oh, Wait ... that's already happened

Posted by: OhTheHumanity | January 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I am still hoping that the FO has learned their lessons from what has happened in the past. I am still sticking with what they do during FA, draft is what will truly determine if Dan has learned anything. I also really want to know what Williams did or wants that soured on Dan.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hawkeye, Cnn.com only has it as a rumor, and it is taken from the Washington Times.

Posted by: opita | January 24, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Let me preface this post by saying that I'm not a fan of how Dan Snyder has chosen to run this franchisse from an organizational standpoint. I would much rather have a traditional FO similar to Gibbs 1.0 or the current Patriots situation.

Do I wish we had a different owner...absolutely. Will I ever change my allegiance....absolutely not. However, if you are a true fan of the TEAM (not the owner) you won't abandon ship or go choose another team to root for. We will inevitably go thru bad times and of those there have been plenty since he purchased the team, however think of what our forefathers had to endure to pass down to us the love that we have for this team.

Below is the records of the Skins from 1945 to 1971. In that span, this team did not reach the playoffs ONE time. 26 years without sniffing the postseason ONCE.

1971 9 4 1 2nd
1970 6 8 0 4th
1969 7 5 2 2nd
1968 5 9 0 3rd
1967 5 6 3 3rd
1966 7 7 0 5th
1965 6 8 0 4th
1964 6 8 0 4th
1963 3 11 0 6th
1962 5 7 2 4th
1961 1 12 1 7th
1960 1 9 2 6th
1959 3 9 0 5th
1958 4 7 1 4th
1957 5 6 1 4th
1956 6 6 0 3rd
1955 8 4 0 2nd
1954 3 9 0 5th
1953 6 5 1 3rd
1952 4 8 0 6th
1951 5 7 0 3rd
1950 3 9 0 6th
1949 4 7 1 4th
1948 7 5 0 2nd
1947 4 8 0 4th
1946 5 5 1 3rd
1945 8 2 0 1st

Imagine the pain they must have felt having to endure the incompetance of GPM...I would have loved to have read the blog in those days.

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 24, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"I mean, lets say that Fassel does get hired, and he guides the team to a 11-5 record next year, and JC grows by leaps and bounds, what then? ..."

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 09:38 AM

Easy, fire Fassel and hire Cowher. To quote agent-to-the-stars, Drew Rosenhaus, "NEXT QUESTION!"

chRIs Larry, Gimli is an O-line guy.

Stumped accurately predicts the future ... Williams is waiting patiently, and when he gets offered the job, he says "no thanks, but BBF, m'Kay?"

Also, more strongly anti-barno's extended-cut-and-paste-from-Jasno-thread-starters-dance-remix today.

Goosfraba, and I'm out again.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

1. Coaches will only come to the Skins for the money and now, apparently they won't even do that.

2. There is much more to the Gibbs exit story. He has too much class (and business interests) to tell it but others must know more.

3. Snyder is looking for a Daddy. That's why he keeps hiring these old guys.

Posted by: Fingerchop | January 24, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Can we please skip the 08 season?? Just give the Redskins losses for all 16 games, and give us the #1 pick in the 09 draft. Its the only way to solve this.

pogues, tell me what happened during the 4 interviews with Williams? I mean, you were there right? So you know why there has been such hesitation to hire him?? Fill me in.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Jasno - We keep discussing how Ryan cannot move laterally without compensation. If he is named Assistant Head Coach - Defense, which is Willaims title, that seems like a promo to me. Isn't Blache our D Coordinator? How do Redskin psuedo titles play in this mess?

Posted by: RobGeisler | January 24, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'll coach the team. I'm almost certain that I can keep up the continuity of chaos for $3 million a year. Who do I call?

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | January 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I am disgusted with how Snyder has run this Franchise. I thought maybe he had learned something from Gibbs, but it appears he has not learned a damn thing. He has absolutely no grasp on the concepts of continuity, chemistry, and in regards to Gregg Williams, class. Just like he fired everyone when he walked into Redskins park, he an arrogant fool who will keep this team mired in mediocrity at best as long as he continues to micromanage.

He is running this team like a fan, which is all he was before he bought the skins. Go buy Madden and play in the Franchise mode if you have this desire. OR, hire football people to work for you(see Miami) and then GET OUT OF THEIR WAY!

Posted by: jazzmoswitz | January 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Fassel, if really hired, is going to bear the brunt of an unbelievable negative reaction from the fans. Which isn't fair to him, but I hope he knows what he's getting into. It will be ugly.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:38 PM

Unless he wins of course.

And dcsween, Gimli is a fullback if ever there was one.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Fassel, if really hired, is going to bear the brunt of an unbelievable negative reaction from the fans. Which isn't fair to him, but I hope he knows what he's getting into. It will be ugly.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:38 PM

This is only true of idiot fans.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

JLaC: "...because I am of no use to anyone these days covering this team."


Gee, I thought a certain someone would have tried to knock this one out of the park.

It would have gone foul, but still...

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 12:34 PM

Suggestion noted. Good call...

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

*sticks his head up from the sand dune*

So, did the Leper-ConMan and the Assistant Undersecretary to the Supervisory Executive VP of Madden 08 Scouting actually make a choice yet?

No?

Well, OK, back to putting my head into the sand for me. Someone leave me some Advil for when it's all over?

Posted by: FlimFlam | January 24, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Could Vinnie be the new Rasputin?

Posted by: opita | January 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't GW gotten any HC sniffs from anyone else during the hiring spree?

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 24, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

my problem is with danny and vinny, first and foremost. then, my problem is with fassel...other teams wont even touch him as an OC, yet we are ready to throw millions at him to lead our franchise into the future???? on offense, which i believe is Fassel's forte, the Giants were (from 2000 to 2003) ranked 15th, 21st, 22nd, and 30th in scoring respectively. they went down each year under his watch!! meanwhile, GG only had one off year in which the redskins weren't in the top 10 of defense. the gints won with their defense during fassel's regime, thanks to jack del rio and other talented coordinators. fck fassel, he is trash. oh yea, and look up the ravens offensive stats from his stint there too...not very good at all. we are gonna SUCK next year!!

Posted by: jmc2007 | January 24, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

no team thought the skins would be dumb enough to let him get away...

Posted by: s1kerste | January 24, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Another fine mess the Boy King has gotten us into...

Posted by: jaypem | January 24, 2008 11:15 AM

Boy King!...what an absolutely perfect description except for Terrible Infant.

Posted by: noups | January 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't GW gotten any HC sniffs from anyone else during the hiring spree?

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 24, 2008 01:01 PM

Maybe teams have asked to interview Williams, but Snyder denied them permission to talk to him, being the jerk-off he is!

Posted by: jimwell | January 24, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

One thing is CERTAIN out of all this ...

The Redskins reputation (already severely tarnished, in terms of being a sound franchise to work for) has dropped several notches.

Why would Cowher, Garrett, Holmgren EVER consider stepping into this steaming pile?

Screw Joe Gibbs for not speaking his mind to Mini-me

Posted by: OhTheHumanity | January 24, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

in his whole career in New York, their offense cracked the top 20 only once; their super bowl year with that oh so frightening "thunder and lightening" attack. come on, this is better than al saunders??? hell no. this man couldn't inspire a river to flow. this is all bull sht

Posted by: jmc2007 | January 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

If Joe Gibbs remained as team president, do you think ANY of this stupidiity happens?

It is a whole different thing when the management is respected compared to when it is disrespected.

As of now, few coaches will want to be here. Danny can throw $$$ around, but if you know the owner will backstab you, why take the risk? Few players will want to play their guts out for this owner.

The players made it clear that they respect GG. But Danny has gone out of his way to disrespect them. Who wants to play for an owner that doesn't respect you?

IN an y case, you can not tell me that a plan that has Fassel, Ryan and Zorn is a well though out plan. Its 3 guys who have never been together. Danny wants to blow up a decent team for that? I used the word stupid at the beginning of this post, but it seems such an understatement.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

STOP THE MADNESS!

Now that I have your attention. Don't count Gregggg out. The ship is still moving forward. Fossil tried to jump on but he was thrown off by our goons. Don't count Williams out yet.

Tell me this, how cana 'sources' get it wrong? I knew it was shabingus when Ryan was included. There is no way he can come here unless its as HC. Crazy....

STOP THE MADNESS!

(end of rant)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I just wanna know when is Leprechaun Danny going to offer the job the Tom Cruise?

"...they're not sure Williams would even take it if offered."

Why would he? Williams is not a kiss arse, therefore he will not be coach.

And for the fan above that said he "can't change his heart" but can the way he spends his money. You've gotta understand Leprechaun Danny has no heart, and apparently has no brain either.

"I wants me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

sheidt99 that's is wrong on so many levels. LMAO! No we both need to go and ask for forgiveness.

Posted by: jm220 | January 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I want Danny-Boy to fly out here to California and lick my taint.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER JOKE.

REDSKINS FANS NEED TO UNITE AND BOYCOTT GAMES NEXT YEAR.

EVERYTHING WAS SET UP PERFECT FOR CONTINUITY AND NOW IT IS DESTROYED, AND FOR WHAT??

BOYCOTT THE DANNY AND VINNY - 2 CLOWNS WHO DESERVE TO ROT.

Posted by: ericrkimmel | January 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Some of these comments are hysterical. When the likes of Jim Mora and Jim Zorn turn us down before an offer is made, what possible reason is there to believe Spagnuolo or McDaniels will be interested? How hard do you think Bellichik would laugh if his new wonder child said he planned to interview with Washington?

The fact is that this process has reduced us to a laughingstock. The only way we get a coach now is to reach way down, or take someone that has no other options and nobody else wants - like Fassel.

Posted by: westme | January 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

To be honest....in thinking about this.

WHY SHOULD WE RUSH INTO HIRING A NEW COACH?? If anything.....its good that Snyder is taking his due diligence and weighing ALL options.

My opinion is all up in the air on this....

There are alot of big questions that aren't easily answered by just giving WILLIAMS the job:

A)
If Williams is made the Head Coach....could he hold onto the offensive staff? What is his plan if all of Gibbs' coaches decided to exodus?? What Coordinators did he have lined up to replace?? If any.....

B)
IMO...the team is about to begin a big youth movement......which is why they kept all their draft picks. And why it was good so many of the young players got tons of playtime this year (because of injury or not):
1) because of the team's salary cap situation
2) When Gibbs came in....that team was built to achieve in 3 years.....its been 4.

C)
The Redskins overachieved this year after Taylor's death. But I also can't forget that streak of lost opportunities in the middle. Which team are they?? And which will the coaching staff without Gibbs bring out?? Do you give them another year or do you start fresh as a significant roster purge is going to occur (and if you don't think so.....you are blind)

Seriously think of the Richie Petitbon Era for a second...

I think everyone shouldn't overreact and should avoid such knee jerk reactions and instantly call for Snyder's head.

As in many head coach decisions of the past......there have been pro and cons to both waiting and for making a quick decision.

Posted by: goosedude | January 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"If Joe Gibbs remained as team president, do you think ANY of this stupidiity happens?"

NO and that's a great point. If memory serves me correctly Gibbs said when he came back that he would move upstairs after he stopped being coach.

Last time I looked Gibbs was back in NC and gave up everything with the Redskins. Makes me wonder what was really up with him and Leprechaun Danny and how much influence his family really had.

"Me wants me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a clean slate would be good. This team has only seemed to produce when under pressure late in the season. And that only seems to happen every other year. It's time to bring some consistent winning back to the table. Trim payroll and get rid of the non-producers (Lloyd, Brunnel....and sad to say it Moss has got to go). Actually use draft picks. And hire McDaniels after the Super Bowl!

Posted by: bmangell | January 24, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if this has been posted here in previous threads, but anyone else notice how Danny is COPPYING THE DALLAS COWBOYS?

Let's see, Dallas won superbowls with a former college coach,
so Danny hires Spurrier.

Dallas goes out and gets an old coach (Parcells),
so Danny hires Gibbs.

Dallas hires an ex-head coach who never had great success with his former teams, and also brings in an ex-NFL QB/current QB's coach as the O-coordinator,
so Danny hires Fassel and Zorn.

Following this logic, we can only hope Jerry Jones jumps off a cliff!!

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 24, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER JOKE.

REDSKINS FANS NEED TO UNITE AND BOYCOTT GAMES NEXT YEAR.

EVERYTHING WAS SET UP PERFECT FOR CONTINUITY AND NOW IT IS DESTROYED, AND FOR WHAT??

BOYCOTT THE DANNY AND VINNY - 2 CLOWNS WHO DESERVE TO ROT.

Posted by: ericrkimmel | January 24, 2008 01:10 PM

Re: "2 CLOWNS WHO DESERVE TO ROT"

I feel sorry for your mother

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

this is what i dont understand i kno D.s is the owner os the skins. but was up with the co owners whuy dont they speak out. i kno i would wanta winner team an if ur gonna make all the rules an choices why should i own part of the team. D.S is making the washington redskins look trouble we are one of the most respect team in the nfl an D.S is taking everything mr cook made so great an turn it into some sh'''''t an its sad why would u change the coaches when ur hole dam team wants him ifs its all about the good for the team an dont fi whats broke rule he has well leave the team as it is

Posted by: SMOKEONLYGREEN | January 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

FORGET LOGIC!!!!!

I demand that the Redskins team be disbanded IMMEDIATLY, and that any historical data on this team be stricken from any NFL record books. May the date of their first game, may that date be stricken from history. May the name "Washington Redskins" NEVER be spoke from anyone's lips from this point forward.

Damn you Redskins...damn you to H*LL!!!!

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"I think everyone shouldn't overreact and should avoid such knee jerk reactions and instantly call for Snyder's head."

Dude: Jim Fassell

That should be enough right there to make you upset. And there's no way you can compare the "Richie Petitbon" era to this one. This defense has a few more years in it, that one was on it's last leg.

"Me wants me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

How did snyder make all of that money? He has got to be one of the stupidest people on the planet. With this idiot we're doomed to the same cycle it's been since he bought the team. Build the team up until their competive, and then immediatley stop, tear it down, disband and start from scratch every few years. Snyder is a moron, that's my comment. Hey Dan Snyder, I can't argue with the fact that you're rich, but you are the dumbest person alive when it comes to football.

Posted by: red2million | January 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

STOP THE MADNESS!

Now that I have your attention. Don't count Gregggg out. The ship is still moving forward. Fossil tried to jump on but he was thrown off by our goons. Don't count Williams out yet.

Tell me this, how cana 'sources' get it wrong? I knew it was shabingus when Ryan was included. There is no way he can come here unless its as HC. Crazy....

STOP THE MADNESS!

(end of rant)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2008 01:09 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Amen Ahmad!

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Now that I have your attention. Don't count Gregggg out.

Then why are they looking to hire Fassell, Ryan, and Zorn?

He's out, but he can't just quit because he's under contract still. Leprechaun Danny has to buy him out.

"Me wants me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

What a mess the Danny has made of this franchise.

Posted by: ftlmikeflorida | January 24, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"Tell me this, how cana 'sources' get it wrong? I knew it was shabingus when Ryan was included. There is no way he can come here unless its as HC."

As a Michigan fan also I can say that we've gone through the same stuff last month. Many OK but not great candidates, false reports that Les Miles was coming over with a coaching staff already assembled... then out of nowhere a great coach shows up in the end and gets the job. I may still be riding high from the results of that coaching search, which also nearly took a turn towards disaster, so I'm still feeling very hopeful that the Skins may end up doing the right thing in the end as well.

I hope.....

Posted by: montybrns9 | January 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@ RAY

I agree we have a young core....and this team is only going to get younger...

That is the question....do you go with what we have....and you'd have to believe that they can do more than they did this year......or was the end run of this season the best they could do.

Now knowing the Redskins Cap Situation....and the fact that ROGERS and McINTOSH's rehabs along with the free agent departures/cuts that are going to happen....

Do you wait another year to do the YOUTH movement that is going to have to happen anyway that was begun this year??

In a way you could say its the start of a new continuity....a painful one at that....but one that probably may be needed.

Posted by: goosedude | January 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Golly gee, thanks.

Honestly, I don't think anyone knows what they'll do. But, I tell you what, it ain't gonna be Foosil.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

guys- this just in-
cnn is reporting fassel's got the job and there is a press conference at 3:00pm

Posted by: yellow_jacket98 | January 24, 2008 12:32 PM

The Cartoon Network is reporting that Foghorn Leghorn's got the job and there's a press i say a press conference at 3 pm.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins overachieved this year after Taylor's death. But I also can't forget that streak of lost opportunities in the middle. Which team are they?? And which will the coaching staff without Gibbs bring out?? Do you give them another year or do you start fresh as a significant roster purge is going to occur (and if you don't think so.....you are blind)"

This isn't a team where roster "purges" are needed or coming. Regardless of what people say about this FO, they are masters at manipulating the cap. They will let go of a few players year by year, just as they always have. Last year, it was Archuleta, Salavea, Marshall, Wynn. This year it'll more than likely be Lloyd, Brunell, Collins, plus a few more minor players. The year after that it may be players like Springs, Washington, Griffin, o-line. And the thing is, the past few years, they've been very good at finding adequate replacements for these guys. This team hasn't been built to maximize at a certain point in time, it's a solid mix of veterans, players in their prime, and developing youth. I don't see this changing over the next few years, unless Danny's impulses take over again and he trades away picks for more overpriced overrated talent. I actually think he's learned his lesson in that regard.

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

FORGET LOGIC!!!!!

I demand that the Redskins team be disbanded IMMEDIATLY, and that any historical data on this team be stricken from any NFL record books. May the date of their first game, may that date be stricken from history. May the name "Washington Redskins" NEVER be spoke from anyone's lips from this point forward.

Damn you Redskins...damn you to H*LL!!!!

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 01:17 PM

Who we gonna b**ch about then? lmao

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok I confess to knowing nothing about economics, but given enough money, would it be possible to execute a hostile takeover of the Redskins?

I realize that's a LOT of money, but just even in theory, could all the Redskins fans pony up their dough, and...

Oh I guess it has to be a publicly traded company for that to happen. Which I don't think it is.

Drat. At times like this, I'm so jealous of Green Bay's set up.

Posted by: redskirt | January 24, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Subprime was voted the word of the year for 2007. I think 'continuity' is off to a roaring start for 2008.

Everyone try to use it in a sentence that doesn't relate to the Redskins.

Posted by: isnadd | January 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Two Comments:

#1
Hi Josh McDaniels. I'm Joe Gibbs, team president of the Redskins and I'd like you to come be my head coach

#2
Hi Josh McDaniels, I'm Dan Snyder, owner of the Redskins. I'd like you to come be my head coach

See the difference??

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

The two monkey's, Danny and Vinny, clearly do not have the ball surrounded regardless of what they tell themselves. What a cluster**** they have created. Best move in my opinion would have been to hire Williams quickly and take a look at what steps forward, if any, are taken in the coming year. Blowing up the team takes many years to rebuild so seeing if the current coaches can improve with what they have been working with only makes sense. Besides, if it doesn't work out, there will be more quality coaches available next year than now when we are effectively left with Fassel if GW is pissed at his treatment and walks.

Posted by: splitbill | January 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

ericrkimmel, you should change your name to ericcluelessschmuck.

Gregmarino, kudos for bringing your A game today. You deserve acknowlagement.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM

Umm other teams can request permission to interview him for HC jobs.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM

There are no HC vacancies now for which Grilliams can interview. When there were openings, Grilliams was considered the leading candidate to replace Gibbs. Who wants to compete with Dan's $$$$$ for the rights to him, since he already makes more than most head coaches????

And they probably didn't imagine in their wildest dreams that Dan would go dig up a coach who has basically been unemployable for the past few years (fired twice, out of work for over a year)... one that nobody else wanted.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

WHAT NEXT ILL TELL U WHAT NEXT PRAY!! DO U REALLY THINK ARE CURRENT COACHES ARE GOING TO WANT TO STICK AROUND AFTER BASICALLY DANNYS BEEN FORCED TO KEEP THEM. AFTER MOST OF THERE JOBS WERE DONE IF LAST NIGHTS LITTLE DEBOCLE HAD ACTUALLY PANNED OUT. DANNY HAS SCREWED THIS ONE UP GOOD AND I DONT SEE ANY POSITIVE WAY OUT OF THIS MESS NOW11

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 24, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

From Baltimore Sun.

"Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan today denied that he has spoken to other teams about their coordinator positions, saying he hopes his situation works out with the Ravens"


http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ryan0124,0,5878649.story

Posted by: chris_skins_balt | January 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The overriding theme with the Redskins fan base, year in and year out, is that we have the most impatient fans in the entire world of sports. This is not debatable.

And so it comes as no surprise that after just 2 weeks without a head coach, many Redskins fans have been seen with steam coming out of their ears and veins popping out of their foreheads, as they simply can't stand the waiting a few more days not knowing what the future holds.

I'm actually enjoying this whole thing, just a little.

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm in favor of overreacting in this case.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

It is ALL about respect. Just a few weeks ago, Danny had more respect than he ever had before in his life. And he failed to respect the respect.

Dang it, even a drunk Hemmingway couldn't come up with that kinda crappy line.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus People

Posted by: jonthefisherman | January 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The overriding theme with the Redskins fan base, year in and year out, is that we have the most impatient fans in the entire world of sports. This is not debatable.

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 01:31 PM

You don't live in Philadelphia.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

@psps

Maybe PURGE wasn't the correct word....but there is going to be significant cleaning occurring...

I don't think SPRINGS is coming back.....Portis' Contract is about to become a big offseason issue (do you keep him or give Betts the rock?)....Rogers & McIntoshes rehabs leave gaping holes that need to be filled via draft or free agency...and thats not even considering the huge void at Safety after Taylor's loss. Another DE is definitely needed....and the WR corps is definitely going to be overhauled (Will Moss even be safe)?

The good thing is all the playtime the young guys got on the OL and the DL provides affordable depth there but this team has some significant roster decisions to make....rather soon.

Posted by: goosedude | January 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Do you wait another year to do the YOUTH movement that is going to have to happen anyway that was begun this year??"

Most of the roster is under contract and the defense is solid, under Williams of course.

You get some healthy bodies back, just tweak the offense, and make another run.

There was NOT much difference between the NY Giants the the Washington Redskins this past season and Giants are in the Super Bowl.

Why, oh why would you want to blow everything up yet again!?!?

Then on top of that hire Fassell?

All Leprechaun Danny cares about is his money. Gibbs had too much power and he didn't like it. It's all about Leprechaun Danny.

"Me wants me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

JUST THINK OF ALL THE FINE SWCOUTING WERE GETTING DONE AT THE SENIOR BOWL RIGHT NOW. IF I WAS ARE COCHES ID BE LOOKIN FOR JOBS NOT TRYIN TO SCOUT FOR LIL BOY DANNY.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 24, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm in favor of over reacting too.
I, like Barno, am enjoying this a little bit.

But, I'm not happy about it.

Not one little bit.

And as Dchan said earlier. I'm a fan of the team for life, and so it goes....

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

sams3, thanks...its actually fun...

DAMN YOU REDSKINS!!!!! WE WILL NEVER WIN ANOTHER GAME FOR ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"The Cartoon Network is reporting that Foghorn Leghorn's got the job and there's a press i say a press conference at 3 pm."

Can't be any worse then Fassell.

"I want's me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe I'm on the same emotional plane as Barno; life just gets stranger by the minute.

I'm anti all caps. Definitely!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I JUST FELT APEICE OF THAT SKY FALL ON MY HEAD. O WAIT THAT WAS JUST BIRD CRAP SORRY.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Why is Snyder hesitant on Williams: 17-31 record as a head coach with zippy playoff appearances.

Fassel went to a Super Bowl. There are a lot of head coaches that never even sniffed a Super Bowl. I don't understand why fans are so upset by the idea that he'd be our next head coach. Would you rather Snyder make the sexy choice?

Zorn rejecting the Skins would be a dumb move by him - you don't give up that $ for a job with more power than the one you currently have.

Posted by: CMoney1 | January 24, 2008 11:27 AM


Let me make a comparison here. Brian Billick has actually won a Super Bowl. Does anyone here really want to see him as our coach? I think the answer is no. Fassel is in the same boat.

Posted by: kelvinjdd | January 24, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The overriding theme with the Redskins fan base, year in and year out, is that we have the most impatient fans in the entire world of sports.

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 01:31 PM

Year in and year out--between Gibbs 1.0 and Gibbs 2.0--fans are promised a Super Bowl. Big names are signed, lots of hype and hoopla, and every season except one, ended without a playoff run.

Looks a lot like we're getting back to that "Golden Age" (i.e, coaching carousel, QB carousel, no playoffs) between Gibbs 1.0 and Gibbs 2.0. Can you blame fans for feeling a little let down that Dan seems to be ignoring Gibbs advice?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

WHAT NEXT ILL TELL U WHAT NEXT PRAY!! DO U REALLY THINK ARE CURRENT COACHES ARE GOING TO WANT TO STICK AROUND AFTER BASICALLY DANNYS BEEN FORCED TO KEEP THEM. AFTER MOST OF THERE JOBS WERE DONE IF LAST NIGHTS LITTLE DEBOCLE HAD ACTUALLY PANNED OUT. DANNY HAS SCREWED THIS ONE UP GOOD AND I DONT SEE ANY POSITIVE WAY OUT OF THIS MESS NOW11

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 24, 2008 01:30 PM

Is this your first time speaking, using a computer, or both?

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I think it is unfair to Leprechauns to refer to Danny as one. He reminds me more of a troll!

Posted by: jimwell | January 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The Skins do have plenty of player issues to deal with in the offseason. But make no mistake, this was a good team and you could see very good with fewer injuries and an improved Campbell. We saw a very good team with Toddball, right up until we ran into All Pro Patrick Kearney playing against our #3 RT (Heyer).

Blowing this up makes no sense. The 49ers blew up the thing by getting rid of players like Garcia and coach Marriuchi. They haven't sniffed success since.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm enjoying today's barno. And I agree with him. Maybe the sky is falling!

Lots of extra comments from this post. Must have struck a nerve or something.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Just having a little fun below, folks, with this ridiculous coaching search by the Danny, but what if.......

Breaking News: Tom Cruise Converts Dan Snyder to Scientology!!!
L. Ron Hubbard to be Named New Head Coach of Redskins

Posted by: garylloyd | January 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

IM ACYUALLY A DEAF MUTE WITH ONLY ONE FINGER ON MY RHIGHT HAND. tHANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP AGAIN SAMS3.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 24, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

You know what.....really thinking about it....the longest term of CONTINUITY we had recently was NORV.....

When I think about that.....screw continuity.

hahahaha....god I hate norv.
How the hell does a QB "Genius" have TRENT GREEN & RICH GANNON both sitting on the bench behind Shuler & Frerotte....

Also...you do realize everyone that calls for people not to renew their season tickets....only want that because their tickets will improve if they don't.

Posted by: goosedude | January 24, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Williams certainly coached a very solid defense during his time here so far, but it's a stretch to say he's a lock to be a good HC. The support for him as HC seems to be based on continuity and player support.

As for continuity, GG won't bring it because there are sure to be coaching changes and philosophical changes throughout anyway. Some of the coaches came here for Gibbs. Even if GG is the greatest guy in the world, there are sure to be guys who will walk. And GG might want to bring in his own people.

In terms of player support, are we sure it's there? I've seen quotes from a couple players indicating they support him, but it's not like there's a rush of them calling Jasno to complain about how their man is getting the shaft.

Which leads to a few scenarios: GG has the pulse of his players and has been telling them to chill (for whatever reason), the players are afraid to talk, or they really aren't all that into him. The first is fairly plausible and would lead me to believe GG still thinks he's getting the job. The second is pretty implausible (see Smoot, Fred). And the last seems more and more likely every day.

I think it's worth seeing if Jasno or J2 or the new guy from the Nats beat can make a few phone calls and see what Smoot, Griffin, Fletch, etc., have to say about all this. Maybe they give vanilla quotes to protect themselves, but maybe they provide some insight.

Posted by: AlanKlink | January 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"I think it is unfair to Leprechauns to refer to Danny as one. He reminds me more of a troll!"

Well I was thinking more of the one in the horror movie actually. ;)

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/images/reviews/leprechaun3.jpg

"Me wants me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Here's a nugget to make you throw up in your mouth. If Saunders goes, Collins is now worthless to us. That leaves us with a QB trying to learn his sixth offense in seven years. If Fossil is our new boy, guess what veteran he brings in to run his offense until JC stops his head from spinning. Kyle Boller, boys, in burgundy and gold. Let the points soar!

Posted by: drbatchelor | January 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I HOPE THE REDSKINS PLANE CRASHES AND EVERYONE DIES BECAUSE NOTHING IS WORSE THAN THIS!

THE REDSKINS SHOULD HAVE JUST HIRED GREGG WILLIAMS AND NOT INTERVIEWED ANYONE AT ALL. IF THAT HAD HAPPEND I WOULD HAVE CRIED ABOUT SYDER BEING IMPATIENT!

NO ONE IN THE WORLD IS WORSE THAN DAN SNYDER. I MEAN ITS NOT LIKE AL DAVIS HAS MADE THE RAIDERS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE LEAGUE. THIS IS MUCH WORSE THAN THAT! THERE IS NO ONE IN THE WORLD LESS QUALIFED TO BE A HEAD COACH THAN A MAN WHO HAS TAKEN A TEAM TO THE SUPERBOWL!

I WISH EVERYONE IN THE ORGANIZATION WAS DEAD BECAUSE I HATE THEM! FORGET THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE INNERWORKINGS OF A TEAM. HELL I CAN'T EVEN TELL THE PLAYS I SEE ON SUNDAYS BUT I LOVE FOOTBALL! I COME ON THIS BLOG ONCE A YEAR AND SNYDER BASH THEN I LEAVE BECAUSE IM A TOOL!

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...

Isn't anyone getting bored with all this speculation.. How about we don't post again until they make a decision.. Silence would be a stronger statement

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | January 24, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Here's a nugget to make you throw up in your mouth."

You know, that could actually happen. :(

YUCK!

"Me wants me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Sams3 u dont really believe your a tool do u. Such a low opinion of ones self is unhealthy. DOWN WITH SNYDER

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I really think the Dan has moles on the blog.

1. No one can be so stupid as to think this is all about Fassel. People keep going the the recored.

2. No one can think GW is not a good DC and ,dan the man should, not try and keep him.

3. No one can think that leaking to reporters like they have is good policy.

4. No one can think Vinny is not proven "crap GM" acting as snyder's tool. (OK scout no more no less)

5. No one can think that duo will bring anyone with better options to the redskins with out bribary.

We need to start a fan buyout movement. We have the money. IF it does not work at lest it will put pressure and Dan.

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is an Idiot. Period. Why mess something up? Give Williams a chance for at least 2 years. Don't change the Offensive Coordinator you will just screw up the QB's development. He has done one smart thing in all these years, hired Joe Gibbs and now he wants to rip down everything he built.

Posted by: ryan_conaway | January 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

http://video.nbc4.com/player/?id=208838

Jim Vance on the Redskins

Posted by: s1kerste | January 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If Gregg Williams either becomes the HC or gets fired as DC, I'd rather have that Schwartz guy from Tennessee rather than Ryan from Baltimore. Baltimore's D trended downward this season (mostly, I think, because of age and the loss of Adalius Thomas), whereas Titans trended upward.

Also, Antwan Odom (DE) from Tennessee is a free agent this year, for who I think the Skins should make a move ... and if more Titan linemen want to follow Schwartz, this would be a good place for them to come. I figure Hayneworth is unaffordable, but Vanden Bosch may be looking for work again one day. Also, not sure what happens to Andre Carter if Rex Ryan wants to (and is allowed to) change to a 3-4. Carter's contract is a many year contract as I recall.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Time to hit him where it hurts an all out boycot of Johnny Rockets, Six Flags, and FedEx (minority owners.) All skins fans should not purchase anything from these companies and be vocal about it until Dan does the right thing and names GW head coach.

Posted by: jklaw | January 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

sams3

Vinny vinny vinny say it with out vomiting.

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to criticize anything that happened up in Baltimore since they clearly never had a QB worth of spit.

Nor did they draft or develop one for that matter. Some of the blame goes on Billick/Fassel, but a significant amount likes at the feet of the GM (who, in every other area, has been remarkably good).

That being said, Billick DID win a Super Bowl and Fassel DID go to a Super Bowl with Kerry Collins and that DOES say a lot about his abilities as a coach (look at Collins post-Fassel).

I don't want to suggest I'm in favor of either of these coaches. I don't sit in on the interviews and I don't know what their decision points are. But by all measures, both Fassel and Billick have far better records than Flapjacks Williams.

I too am betwixt by the current state of affairs, I just don't think Flapjacks is THE answer. Maybe he could be good for us. MAYBE. But there's no way to know and anyone saying Flapjacks would lead us to the promised land is clearly fantasizing. (Admittedly, recent Redskins history has left us with nothing else.)

Anyway, if you don't chew Big Red, then...

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

http://www.badmovies.org/movies/leprechaunii/leprechaunii2.jpg

Leprechaun Danny says:

"Me wants me gold!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a brilliant genius (seriously)!

Why?

He bought this franchise for $900 mil and today it's worth $1.5 bil, in spite of pumping out a mediocre product that people will continue to buy regardless of its performance.

That's the Bill Gates school of business -- Microsoft runs the same way.

Redskins fans (of which I am one) constantly criticize the leadership, management, and construction, nay destruction, of this franchise. Yet for all the intense rancor and vitriol, we continue to converge on the eyesore that is JKC Stadium like Marion Barry to a crack pipe. For those disgruntled enough to surrender their seats (as I have), there are thousands more that are both willing and able to replace my dollars. This cycle will continue for at least the next several lifetimes, enough to secure the Snyder plantation's survival for eons.

The lesson is this: the fan's voice is mute in the ears of the Empire because the market will sustain his coffers regardless of his antics. A crack addict like Mayor Marion can complain all he wants about his supplier's business practices, but ultimately will succumb. I am addicted to the crack that is Redskins football for better or worse, and as a result, can only blame myself for the perpetuation of mediocrity. The Empire will only listen if his business is in trouble, and judging by the P&Ls, is nowhere near that.

Fans, if we want to change how the Danny conducts business, we need to give him a compelling reason to do so, and the only compelling reason to do so is to stay home on Sundays. A SILENT STADIUM SPEAKS LOUDEST.

Short of that, we are powerless against the 1.5 billion-dollar machine.

Regarding this winter's goings-on, I reserve judgment until next season. A promotion of a previously-failed Head Coach from within does not guarantee success, while an external hire of a former NFC Champion coach does not guarantee failure. Since I have no say in the proceedings for reasons outlined above, I'll slather on the Vaseline, fire up the pipe, and watch my team crash and burn in 2008-2009.

Go Caps!

Posted by: paperboy76 | January 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I wish someone would place a "johnny rocket" up Snyder's pie hole and blast him into outer space!!

Posted by: jimwell | January 24, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

For everyone that says Snyder is an idiot:

I'm sure that really hits him hard while he sits in his mansion with his hot wife and hundreds of millions.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Don't renew your season tickets.......
It'll only improve mine :)

Thank God the Skins don't charge those ridiculous PSLs.....and everyones seats can improve over time.

Posted by: goosedude | January 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many more times Vinny will get promoted before we get a head coach?

WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!?

I'm not giving up on Lombardi as a coach! Exhume you idiot!

Posted by: Dorf | January 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Not to point out the elephant in the room, but the problem is the owner. How many coaches want to work for an owner like that? That's really the question...do you take the position knowing that the owner is an egomaniac who thinks he knows everything about football, with no GM and some puppet as a Vice President of rolling out red carpets and saying "Yes, Mister Snyder". Look up I-95: Baltimore, Philadelphia, NY Giants, New England...all with good smart GM's and well run teams with ownership that isn't a joke. All with Super Bowl appearances this decade. It's okay, Redskin fans...just keep lining up, give Danny your money, and sit there and take it.

Posted by: jcurrin | January 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't let them get to you Sam. Get out on that racquet ball court, blow off a little steam and then get back to work finding us a real head coach.

Posted by: mack1 | January 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah...

SHABINGUS!

Posted by: Dorf | January 24, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Why not just appoint vinny as head coach he can be VICE PRESIDENT OF COACHING ROSTER DEFENSE DANNYS RUBDOWNS AND PORTAJHON PLACEMENT AT FED EX I LIKE IT.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't let them get to you Sam. Get out on that racquet ball court, blow off a little steam and then get back to work finding us a real head coach.

Posted by: mack1 | January 24, 2008 02:00 PM

lol, well done.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

THIS SHOULD GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO GO OUT AND SUPPORTS DC'S MOST SUCCESSFUL ORGANIZATION FOR THE PAST DECADE: DC UNITED!

IN THE PAST 11 YEARS THEY'VE WON 4 CHAMPIONSHIPS AND BEEN TO 5 CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES.

THEY DON'T PULL B/S WITH THEIR FAN-BASE AND ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE, IF YOU GO TO THEIR GAMES YOU GET TO GO TO RFK!

VAMOS UNITED!!!!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

and then he said "Jabroni!"

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

@ jcurrin

Sorry....you can't even compare the fans of those teams to REDSKINS fans.....

Patriots Fans are a joke, Baltimore Fans while loyal.... exodus that stadium earlier when they are losing (I have Ravens Season tickets also), Eagles Fans??? Don't even bring up the redheaded stepchild of the NFC EAST, Giants fans...I can respect.

We bleed BURGUNDY & GOLD......

Posted by: goosedude | January 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Fútbol pales in comparison to the real deal. And DC United, championships aside, is little more than a 3rd level team in the UK.

And please, don't ever say Caps again. Hockey lost relevance when they struck. Their product isn't very good and I no longer believe it even exists.

Go Wizards!

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"It's okay, Redskin fans...just keep lining up, give Danny your money, and sit there and take it."

You're exactly right, all he cares about is money. I guess he doesn't understand that if he actually puts a winner on the field how much MORE money he would be putting in his pocket.

Too bad he's clueless about that.

"Me wants me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Jasno, could we get some interviews with Riggo, Joe T and the old guys that have some rings. Does Danny hand feed them into loyal submission or could you eke out a few choice sound bytes to get the faithful some relief.

I know for a fact that Gary Clark would say what was on his mind... I'm just getting bored of kept in the dark reporters and about to jump off of the woodrow wilson bridge fans spitting about the same ol' ish.

Posted by: Dorf | January 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what DCU is in relation to the EPL?

They continuously put a good product on the field, their tickets are cheaper, their concessions are cheaper, they have a pretty rabid fan-base, some who actually stand up and cheer during the whole game (unlike at FedEx where fans will yell at you and boo you until you sit down so they can see).

Plus their owner isn't either a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

WHERE IS KORNHEISER WHEN WE NEED HIM?

Its time to fire up the off-season bandwagon.

WE WANT GREGG!!! WE WANT GREGG

TONY PLEASE

Posted by: jklaw | January 24, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Futbol as a sport can't be touched by any other sport on earth, redskins football included. DC United, however, doesn't really qualify on that level, as much as i like seeing them win.

I was in RFK for that 2nd Chicago playoff game. When Gomez scored the 2nd hand of god, that might've been the loudest i've ever heard a soccer stadium in the US. It was heartbreaking to see it taken back...

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Boy this certainly got ugly...

Sorry for you guys.

It is hard to see how anyone in their right mind would want to become a part of this now, but (and it's a big but) for the money. wther deliberately or not, Snyder has created the perception that everyone he's looked at is being kept on the hook 'until something better comes along'.

If I were one of these coaches and I wanted to take the job, there would be a LOT of 'guarantees' (money) that I'd want to see from him before coming onboard because he really doesn't seem to be in it for the duration. All the appointee can really expect here now is lukewarm support from the ownership/sidekick until someone 'sexier' is available, at which point presumably they simply become an entry in the list of former Redskins coaches.

So I guess your next coach will be the football equivalent of a 'f*ck buddy' for Snyder; good enough for regular bedding, but not the one he really wants to marry. Cowher as 'that special one' anyone?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but compared to Football, Fútbol stinks. The heirarchy goes like this:

1. Football
2. Basketball
3. Baseball
4. Fútbol
5. Olympic Sports
6. Table Sports
7. Strong Men Contests
8. Martial Arts
9. WNBA
10. Hockey

I think you'd be happy to be #4 right?

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"You're exactly right, all he cares about is money. I guess he doesn't understand that if he actually puts a winner on the field how much MORE money he would be putting in his pocket"

If you think this is true, if deep down you think this is true, then you are truly unintelligent....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't see any need to rush. Wait until after the SB and interview those two others.

They have to -- I repeat have to -- be better than Fassel. Even Vermeil would be better than Fassel.

Posted by: info | January 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Possible Theories:

1. Gregg's demands were too high (i.e. wanted player personnel control)

2. Snyder would only give Gregg a one year contract as head coach which he was already under contract and gave him the old "if you win it won't be a problem, if you lose here comes "The Chin"

3. Snyder and Vinny came to a realization that by bringing in someone from the outisde it gave them an excuse to blow up the roster which ultimately may be the best thing because this was not a team anywhere close to competing for a Title.

4. other: __________________________

Posted by: isnadd | January 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

sheid, that top 10 is way off... get a clue man. I hope you were kidding.

Redcoat, its funny that the Miami HC job was more appealing to applicants than the Redskins job. Ick.

Posted by: Dorf | January 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

OK... enuff already. Let's look at the obvious... Danny is a rich boy with a really neat toy and he wants to play.

At least he is performing due diligence this go-around... Cowher aside, there is no big splash candidate so he is trying to be thorough.

As for GW... we should all just move past that concept as it clearly is not the move that is going to be made.

The problem as everyone has pointed out, is that the front office is a cluster-flcuk and only those feeling that this could be their last shot (Fassel) or those who are marginal candidates... as DS is clearly a brilliant businessman, he lacks considerable insight into his own ability to run this team... a Shakespearean weakness, hubris, is the downfall of our loved team.

Posted by: bschaef1 | January 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

SNyder is a complete idiot..........let's hire the guy that KC didn't want for their OC??? Genius.....Williams was the easy choice based on Snyder's own comments. No CREDIBILITY.

Posted by: j_gallahan | January 24, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I was in RFK for that 2nd Chicago playoff game. When Gomez scored the 2nd hand of god, that might've been the loudest i've ever heard a soccer stadium in the US. It was heartbreaking to see it taken back...

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 02:15 PM
------------------------------------------

I was literally doing cartwheels in my living room after that goal, only to have my heart yanked out and showed to me before I keeled over (ala Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom)

Before moving to Cali I had both 'Skins and DCU season tickets and left the 'Skins/'Boys game a few years ago to make it to DCU's playoff game in time for the start. I also awlays said that if someone put a gun to my head and made me choose only 1 of the season tickets over the other I'd always keep my DCU tickets.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 24, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Snyder thinks he's doing what's best for the team in the long run, but for him the long run is 2-3 years.

He is the NFL owner equivalent of a day trader, or one of those active portfolio managers that is trying to look busy and important; meanwhile, the profits are getting eaten up by all the organizational churn.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Could it be that Snyder is looking beyond GG because he realy wants a coach form the offensive side running the show? This team has been fairly good on defense since Snyder's reign began (Rhoads, Lewis, Williams) but, throw away that pre-season thumping of the 49er in the land of the rising sun, and the offense has been less than spectacular. Fassel, an OC who can help develop a young qb, would be a plus. The problem with Fassel, and it's a big one, is that he completely lost his team in NY before getting the axe. They were undisciplined and poorly motivated, hence the red ass who replaced him. With the Redskin's front office consisting of glorified scout and a billionaire super fan, this team needs a coach with strong leadership and motivational skills. If we get a softy, it's right back to Norville for the team. Maybe Williams is the guy, maybe not. Fassel could be a good coach again. But I doubt it will be here.

Sam, good to see you can take a little ribbing. I was sure you were going to tell me to go shave something.

Posted by: mack1 | January 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

One thing to remember Ray, at Snyder's level it isn't about the money any more, it's about the GLORY. He could spend a lifetime's income for most of us every week of the rest of his life and probably not spend it all.

He wants immortality like Jack Kent Cooke. He wants to be remembered as THE owner, not AN owner.

So it is about winning. But when you have a boss who has that much money it's hard for them to believe that anyone else (except maybe someone with even more money) can be right and them wrong.

It's the whole "we create reality by acting" argument again. Most of us just observe reality, these guys REALLY believe they can remake it to be whatever they want it to be because on a day to day basis, they sometimes can.

If I have enough money I can have Tony Bennett serenade my wife over dinner at our house, but that doesn't mean he would do it for free or hang out with me!!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I seriously think that Redskins nation has yet to recover from the trauma inflicted by the Ole Ball Coach. We were so overjoyed by Gibbs' return that we overlooked the fact that the game had essentially passed him by (or he just couldn't manage a shorter play clock).

Now we're so obsessed with the coaching choices that we want something we have seen, something known, because its not a gamble, it's not shooting for the moon which is typical Danny Snider, high risk, high reward.

None of those feelings mean that Gregg Williams would make a better head coach than anyone else on the table. He does not have a particularly good record as a head coach and he had a clear rough spot in Washington.

We're all just speculating that X is better than Y, etc when the only real truth here is that Hockey stinks and Fútbol is not as interesting or exciting as Football.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 24, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"If you think this is true, if deep down you think this is true, then you are truly unintelligent...."

Yes, all he cares about it money and he's clueless.

And if you think what you wrote is true, deep down think it's true, then you are truly a Leprechaun Danny kiss arse.

"Me wants me gold!"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

sheidt99 buy a clue....Hockey 10th? Below table games and WNBA...what joke.

Hockey rulz!Following my spunky caps is keepin me sane through this shabingus...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Just glad I'm old enough to have lived through Gibbs 1.
Feel bad for the younger fans.

We always said our biggest hurdle was going to be when the ol' man passed. (RIP JKC)

But we had no clue it was going to be this foolish.

I'm fading on this team. Used to go see every game, fewer and fewer each year. And it's not fair weather fanning either, it's my genuine dislike and distrust of all things Snyder. Just feels useless to cheer so hard when you know you're screwed before the game begins. Jason's article at the end of last year stated something like we'll never win with the current management setup. Sad, but true.

Posted by: jcarter999 | January 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, its funny that the Miami HC job was more appealing to applicants than the Redskins job. Ick.

Posted by: Dorf | January 24, 2008 02:20 PM

I think it's because the owner (this time) put a football guy in charge of everything and said "it's all up to you, I'm staying out of it because everything I've done up to now didn't work".

Clint was right "a man's gotta know his limitations". I've worked with a DC-area smaller-scale version of Snyder and in any given argument he has $200M (in his case) reasons why he's right and you're not. So you can't tell him anything....

As someone said, hubris.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This may be worse then firing Shottenheimer for Spurrier!?!?!

Everyone ready for a few more 5-11 seasons!!!!! Bring it on, I'll bleed with you.

Thanks Danny. Somebody needs to kick your sorry ass (and Tom Cruise's too)

Posted by: bussman24 | January 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"We were so overjoyed by Gibbs' return that we overlooked the fact that the game had essentially passed him by."

Yes, the game passed him by as many have stated on here. He's gone, that's fine.

But why on Earth would you potentially blow up a playoff team and start all over again by hiring Jim Fassell as your head coach?

Jim Fassell?

Good grief....

"I wants me gold"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the person that hopes Williams goes to Jacksonville since I, after 30 years, will be looking for a new team to root for. Jacksonville looks pretty good. Del Rio is a good coach and their quarterback, is a great person also.

I checked their website and their tickets are much cheaper than the skins. They still sell single season tickets. Airfare to and from and tickets for games 2 times a year is much cheaper than my four tickets (forced to take preseason)and parking pass to the skins. Do they have a fight song. Hail to the Jaquars??

Posted by: kathymac1 | January 24, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

What about the players role in this offseason? They have made a uniform stance in favor of Williams. If Snyderrato goes outside, it shows a lack of trust/respect for the guys who fight for the Redskins every Sunday. Now, how many of those guys will be willing to restructure their deals to help out Snyderrato this offseason. I bet the number is zero, which is going to suck because a lot of guys need to be redone for '08. Any outside hire will be put in a very difficult situation with the players, and Snyderrato should have recognized that. The fact that they either did not get the memo (bad) or chose to ignore it (worse) is sickening.

Posted by: SDuckett | January 24, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ray....methinks you are too obsessed with the Dan Snyder's money

Posted by: goosedude | January 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

mack1, I don't demand that the comments be inline with my opinions. All I ask is that the be witty and add something to the conversation.

That joke was well done.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Ray, what you wrote CONTRADICTS itself.

All he cares about is money.

If he won he could make more.

If all he cared about was money, and putting a winner on the field would only earn him exponentially more money, don't you think someone whom made BILLIONS by the time they were in their 30's, would have figured this out?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey sheidt99, nothing about Danny has been high risk, high reward. It's all been high risk, no reward. He went with a proven Washington winner once and we had more success than in the previous 13 years. Now he wants to destroy it. Thak God I was around for Gibbs part 1, because this debacle is a travesty.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

" ... He wants to be remembered as THE owner, not AN owner. ..."

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 02:26 PM

I only ever refer to him as The Owner ... but admittedly, it might be because I can't bring myself to type his name. [Note: I have no problem saying Voldemort. Voldemort, Voldemort, Voldemort. And Mary Worth.]

Also, anyone feel like talking about some football stuff OTHER than the head coaching situation?

I've decided that, for the first round choice, I would like an offensive tackle. Yes, an offensive tackle. The Heyer signing of was a fluky fluke fluke (mostly, I think, b/c he had that knee injury and because was overshadowed by that other tackle that went to Baltimore ... Gaither?). My concern is Jansen ... an offensive lineman doesn't need thumbs. An offensive lineman needs ankles.

Currently, my fave guy for who should be around when they get to #21 is Gosder Cherilus (and not just b/c I like saying his name).

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Lenny P at it again:

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Scrool down to 2nd/3rd story....what a d!ck, being catty against your colleagues just sick. What a tool.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Before moving to Cali I had both 'Skins and DCU season tickets and left the 'Skins/'Boys game a few years ago to make it to DCU's playoff game in time for the start. I also awlays said that if someone put a gun to my head and made me choose only 1 of the season tickets over the other I'd always keep my DCU tickets.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 24, 2008 02:23 PM

I think I'd actually choose the same. But if you asked me which I'd rather watch on TV or at a bar or at a friends house, it would always be the Redskins. It's always been my opinion that Football is much more enjoyable on TV (most games) and Futbol is always more enjoyable live. However, I don't think I could ever abandon a Redskins game for anything less than a US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifier vs. Mexico. (Thankfully the actual World Cup doesn't coincide with Football season).

Alright I'll end my pro-futbol rants here. I feel some RI heat coming this way...

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

outlaw22 is my new favorite poster. His/her missives make me want to break out the Wesley Willis CDs.

Rock over, London. Rock on, Chicago.


I have to go to a lunch meeting and eat free pizza now. Hopefully we still have a football team when I get back.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

First thing I thought when I saw that name 'sween is "that looks like an anagram", and lo and behold Gosder Cherilus = Choruses Girdle or Cirrhoses Glued.

Crazy name, crazy guy!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

cl, can't access it at work, whats lenny the hut done now?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

So at the very least we are looking for a new OC, right? Because it is clear that the "Al Saunders Experience" has been deemed a failure by management (if you can call what the 'skins have management). So new OC and without a doubt a new DC and that's, IF they give the job to GG or not(does he want it is a whole different question at this point). STABILITY, what STABILITY?! I respected Snyder for the way in which he handled the Sean Taylor tragedy but the fact that he continues to just demolish this team and set us back year after year with only occasional impatient incremental gains is too much. Jim Fassel cannot possibly be the answer for any number of reasons. Mediocre head coaching record over many seasons, not even good enough to remain on his friend's staff in Baltimore, past NFC east foe and hated rival, too old already, out of football now for at least a year (radio doesn't count), etc. etc.

This whole search couldn't have gone worse, and not even one consideration for Grimm? Seems like we've turned over every rock in the desert but not even contacted Grimm, explain that to me? If it isn't GG and that looks to be the case, please try someone with fresh blood and a new perspective, don't give it to an old retread who has been out of football and was never that good in the first place!!!

Extremely frustrated - actually considering rooting for a new team - it's like having my heart ripped out.

Posted by: Matt4_4 | January 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

@dcsween

At the 21st position.....I don't think theres a RT you draft that high...

REDSKINS should go WR......its time to start building around Campbell......And give him a BIG WR to throw at. Other positions for that late a slot could be CB/S/LB..........

We can get a RT in the 2nd round. But un

Posted by: goosedude | January 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

From Profootballtalk.com (Via ChrisLaRRy)
RUMBLE BREWING IN BRISTOL?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 24, 2008, 12:24 p.m.
A league source pointed out to us the catty comments of ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli regarding the fact that Len's colleague, Michael Smith, broke the story that Mike Smith would be the next coach of the Falcons.

In critiquing the hiring of Mike Smith, Pasquarelli takes a jab at Falcons G.M. Tom Dimitroff for leaking the news to Michael Smith. (In hindsight, I probably should have assigned this one to our own Michael David Smith.)

"Perhaps the only failure of Dimitroff in the process was allowing word of his choice to leak out," Len writes. "Michael Smith of ESPN knew who the new coach was going to be long before Mike Smith the new head coach did. But, hey, that was a win for the home team in Bristol, and we'll take it."

Our source described the comment as "childish."

"He's criticizing Dimitroff leaking the info to ESPN's Smith," the source said. "It sounds like sour grapes. Isn't that how [Pasquarelli] survives? I think he's jealous that Smith broke the story and he, based in Atlanta, didn't."

We agree. ESPN would have nothing to slap on the scroll as something that "Len Pasquarelli reports" if news only flowed from releases and press conferences. If people don't allow things to "leak out," there's no cutting edge for ESPN or CBS or FOX or NBC or PFT or BFD to try to ride.

And isn't it the goal of journalists to know things before as many people as possible? Instead of chastising Dimitroff for having loose lips (and thus potentially harming the ability of Smith or anyone from ESPN to get pry information from Dimitroff in the future), shouldn't Pasquarelli be praising Smith?

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Snyder understood "stability" to mean pick a regime and stick with it for awhile - and not - keep the current regime.

Just speculatin' here but he does seem like a "hear what he wants to hear kinda guy," no?

Plus he loves a big splash. So maybe he was hoping to announce a new HC, OC, and DC all at once.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

thanks oe....len is beyond pathetic...its not like he was ever a good journalist at any point in time. He's the type of guy, where if he has a HOF vote, purposely doesn't vote for Monk, because of his blatant hatred of all things Redskin related.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Snyder strikes me as someone who surrounds himself with yes men and Gregg Williams strikes mea as anything but a yes man.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 24, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Big WRs are overrated. It was just 2 years ago that everyone was raving about the small WRs, when S.Moss, S.Smith, M.Harrison were tearing up the league. Now, all of a sudden, everythings changed? I understand that having a being taller makes someone a bigger target and more dangerous than if they were 4 inches shorter. However, I don't think you base your search for on finding a "big" WR. If you want a WR, then get the best guy available, regardless of whether he's 5'8 or 6'6.

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Visualizing Dan and Vinny busily patting themselves on the back at the 'genuis' game
plan they have created... Totally oblivious to the fact the they are actually
being laughed at! Like most of the 'posters' on here, I'm heart-sick and
mad--but I can't imagine how disheartened
our 'TEAM' is ...not to mention Greg and
the other coaches. Synder proved once again, the only 'unity' is between himself and Vinny .. because he's sure put a huge
barrier up between fans and the community.

Posted by: Darbie | January 24, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Matt4_4 you have a point. I would be okay with some losing from giving someone new a shot, especially if it's Russ. But losing with another questionable hire of a mediocre retread just so Danny can keep his ego intact is a shame.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Is Marvin Harrison small? And its not one or the other its balance...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

A bit over 48 hours ago, I wrote the Skins coaching thing would go from ripe to rotting that day if it didn't finish up. And it'd smell really bad, really quick.

But when you can't even land Jim Zorn. Even a quick whiff tells you how bad this thing stinks.

Danny, my boy, you have an economics problem. That huge stadium you have has reduced the wait list. And while Joe Gibbs got people really hyped up, that is gone and the stadium is still really big. Selling out was never a problem ... until now. Once the tix can be had easily ... and no one is going to shell out more than face value to see Jim Fassel coach, its just a matter of time before this franchise is loses $1billion of its market value. That is what happens when you don't respect people.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

AAAaaarghhh. No new posts today? The suspense is killing me.

Maybe no news is good news, maybe the further along we get the further we get from hiring Fassel. Of course, that means alienating Flapjacks more too....

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 24, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

pulldownclaw I hope you are right. I have come to terms that Williams will not be the coach.

Posted by: jm220 | January 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chris_skins_balt | January 24, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Harrison is about 5'11, 190.

I'd say that we need to draft either a tackle or guard with our first round pick. Taking a WR in the first round just scares me. G/T, in the first, DE in the second, and WR in the third.

I'd be upset if the cost of Rex Ryan is that third round pick....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if this goes on long enough we can hold out hope for Grimm to swoop in and save us! One can hope! That's what we as fans of this particular franchise do best...

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"At the 21st position.....I don't think theres a RT you draft that high ... REDSKINS should go WR......its time to start building around Campbell......And give him a BIG WR to throw at. Other positions for that late a slot could be CB/S/LB ... We can get a RT in the 2nd round. ..."

Posted by: goosedude | January 24, 2008 02:50 PM

Personally, I personally believe that offensive tackles should be ambidextrous ... and but for Robert Gallery, OT is one of the safest guys to pick in the first round (and that the vast majority of good OTs have to be gotten in the first day of the draft ... b/c its too expensive in free agency ... and finding a Stephon Heyer UNDRAFTED is just luck!).

Also, per the nfldraftcountdown.com site, the Skins scouts were eyeballing and jawboning with a CB (Leodis McKelvin) and another tall WR (D.J. Hall, 6'3").

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975: The thing I don't get is that I don't even see how hiring Fassel does anything for Snyder's ego. I mean is this guy a big fish? I sort of see him as the Friday Night Fish Fry more than the Tuna Steak? I mean everyone can get a fish fry but.... at least if we go in a new direction with a fresh face and new ideas we have something to look forward to.


As far as draft discussions go:

I like the idea of WR and I'd rather have a bigger one than smaller but really I just want the best available.

Otherwise I could see going DL/CB/S/RB in the first round followed in later rounds by depth on OL and LB/DL/CB

Posted by: Matt4_4 | January 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

This isn't from me, it's from the scout board about the 3-4/4-3 thing:

Nope. Ryan is a steadfast 4-3 guy. Everything in his background suggests he'll stick with the 4-3 as his base defense. The two most influential defensive coaches in his career: his dad and Marvin Lewis.

In fact, in Ryan's first season as defensive coordinator for the Ravens, he attempted to bring back the 46 defense as their base set. The players loved it -- at first. But they got killed by spread offenses, so he started mixing it up more.

This past season, Ryan did something I've never seen before. On a third-down play in the Ravens own end zone this season, he dropped all ELEVEN defenders into pass coverage against the Cardinals when they went to a spread formation. It was hilarious, because none of the offensive linemen knew what to do and were just standing around. Kurt Warner wasn't about to run the ball, and he just ended up throwing it away. It's not something you do with any kind of regularity, of course, but I thought it was pretty clever and gutsy.

Posted by: WrongDog | January 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Take THAT Madden 07!

Long Snapper Albright Earns Pro Bowl Nod
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
January 24, 2008

Ethan Albright is headed to Hawaii.

The Redskins' veteran long snapper has been named to the 2008 Pro Bowl, the Redskins announced on Thursday.

It is the first Pro Bowl nod for Albright--and the first time the Redskins have had a long snapper make the Pro Bowl.

Albright, known around Redskins Park for his bright red hair and easy-going demeanor, is a 12-year NFL veteran who has played in Washington since 2001.

He has played in all 16 games of every season since 1996 and has proven himself to be among the league's most consistent and reliable long snappers in that span.

Albright will join Chris Samuels and Chris Cooley at the Pro Bowl, which will be played on Sunday, Feb. 10.

Albright, Cooley and Samuels will wear jersey No. 21 in honor of their late teammate Sean Taylor.

After the game, their jerseys will be auctioned at NFL Auction, with the proceeds going to the Sean Taylor Memorial Trust Fund, which was set up to benefit Taylor's daughter Jackie.

Albright heads into the 2008 offseason as an unrestricted free agent.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3212392

Could have fooled me, this guy has been irrelevant since he DIDN'T score that goal line TD against the Skins. Happy trails. And just when we were finally getting Tampa Bay off our schedule.

Posted by: Dorf | January 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I'd pay an easy $10 bucks for an Albright No. 21 pro-bowl jersey.

We'll start the bidding at $2.50 or a Wendy's coupon booklet.

Posted by: Dorf | January 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

What would you guys do if you somehow happened to see Danny/Vinny out in public like at the grocery store or somewhere like that (if they even go out in public)?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Help me understand this logic.

People don't want Fassel who has taken a team to the super bowl, but do want Grimm, who has no head coaching experience?

If Grimm comes in, isn't that considered rebuilding? I mean he'd be a first year coach, expectations wouldn't be that high.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

By the way Jasno, Props for the perfect title of this blog entry: What Now?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I just can't believe this - I had hoped Synder had changed but looks like he is back to his old ways of again ruining the Redskins. Why would Schwartz want to leave the Titans, with a great, nice coach like Jeff to come to a horrible, messed up team like the Redskins?! All the players want Gregg, Gibbs wanted him, the fans want him but what does Synder do - won't hire him. Guess Vinny was worried he couldn't control Gregg. I feel so sorry for the players and fans - here we go again.

Posted by: cmcclain1 | January 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Also, for the tall receiver, that's the other guy on my free agent shopping list ... Larry Fitzgerald. Technically, he's not a free agent (yet), but he performance bonused himself out of a job this season, so the Cards won't (shouldn't) be able to afford him.

Antwan Odom (DE/Titans) and Larry Fitzgerald (WR/Cards). There. I said it. Two guys. That's it. All the rest from the draft and June 1st cuts (recognizing that LFitz might not be cut till June 1st).

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino88 non us want to see the rebuilt but since boy wonder is set on doing so. Yes, bring a young gun in to grow along with the key young guys on the team.

Posted by: jm220 | January 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Draft Needs:

1) OL (old need more young talent)
2) DE (see above)
3) CB (springs = gone? + rogers = hurt)
4) Blocking TE
5) Young QB (collins/brunell = gone)
6) Best available

Don't need to reach for WR in first couple rounds b/c we picked up A. Mix (6'5 230) who played w JCampbell at Auburn...see what he can do before investing millions in potential high WR bust

Posted by: tkawamoto22 | January 24, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Otherwise I could see going DL/CB/S/RB in the first round followed in later rounds by depth on OL and LB/DL/CB

Posted by: Matt4_4 | January 24, 2008 03:06 PM

RB first round? Really? That's going a bit far. I'd say best player available, no matter the position (except QB, TE, and RB), with a slight edge going to both lines if there's a close decision to be made. No position needs an immediate upgrade, and every position could use future prospects. Might as well take the best guy available.

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Also, I'm assuming that Nnamdi Asomugha (CB/Raiders) gets slapped with a franchise tag if not re-signed to some Nate Clements kind of money. If not, then Asomugha and Odom. There. I said it. [again]

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Antwan Odom (DE/Titans) and Larry Fitzgerald (WR/Cards). There. I said it. Two guys. That's it. All the rest from the draft and June 1st cuts (recognizing that LFitz might not be cut till June 1st).

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 03:10 PM

I can see us (Fins) being in the bidding against you for both those guys sween, and we're $20M UNDER the cap before we start restructuring/cutting/retiring our aging defense....

Maybe 'the Owner' had better get used to getting outbid on guys he wants in future as he's losing the flexibility to amortize the numbers the way he always used to.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino88 First of all, did Fassel win that super bowl? no. Probably a lot of people here would say I'm crazy but I'd rather not go to the SB than go and lose. If we go again I NEED to win the damn thing. As far as someone like Grimm over Fassel... for me personally I think the upside with Grimm is much more intriguing than pulling Fassel back into football. Everyone knows what Fassel has to bring as a coach, he's been around the league and it sure won't be innovation. I'm not saying that Grimm is going to turn football upside down with tricks, gadgets and a new 60 point a week offense but I'd just rather have an "up-and-comer" ex-redskin than a retread, old, giant coach. Just me though. And it looks like we are rebuilding next year no matter what happens since GG won't be around and Saunders is probably not even in the great 50 states at this point.

Posted by: Matt4_4 | January 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

It'll serve Snyder right when the whole thing blows up in his face. Too bad that DC fans have to suffer with one of the worst owners in the League.

Looks like another round of 5-11 seasons as all the work that Gibbs did goes to naught.

Posted by: BethesdaDad | January 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I haven't even started in on the draft but I think one thing is clear: We need an impact DT or DE that can get to the QB. I'm all for them drafting a guy like that.

Other than that, we could use some secondary help, a good (big) WR, and some OLine help. But that's about it. We're solid at every other position and have great youth/depth.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Red Snapper!

I've been "working" all morning, any word on our HC?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Which scenario is better -- because I'm pretty sure something like it actually happened:

Scenario #1

Danny: Fassel my man, you got the job, now who do you want for your assistants?

Fassel: Get me Zorn and Rex Ryan.

Danny: Done.

or

Scenario #2

Danny: Fassel my man, you got the job, now who do you want for your assistants?

Fassel: Why don't you and Vinny decide that for me?

Danny: Done

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

tkawamoto22, as amateur GM, you can't be thinking "draft needs", but instead "position needs" ... if only b/c free agency starts before the draft. Also, its important to think about positional needs for the next season, the season after that, and depth (with the exception of the Skins, who focus on next season ... thus heavy into free agency).

My second round guy would be a RB ... but only b/c I'm willing to part with Ladell Betts ... not because I don't think Betts is a viable #2 guy, but b/c RBs age faster than guys at other position, and Portis/Betts/Cartwright are all the same vintage. Time to get younger/fresher legs at that position. Also, because I'm still a believer in the rush first mindset (which may now become a thing of the past), second round is where I'd look for my guy, either that other guy at Arkansas, Felix Jones, or that guy from Oregon, Jonathan Stewart.

You see, with a few steps of reasoning, you too can become an amateur GM! You'll be playing racquetball with owners of professional football teams in no time!

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

This past season, Ryan did something I've never seen before. On a third-down play in the Ravens own end zone this season, he dropped all ELEVEN defenders into pass coverage against the Cardinals when they went to a spread formation. It was hilarious, because none of the offensive linemen knew what to do and were just standing around. Kurt Warner wasn't about to run the ball, and he just ended up throwing it away.

Saw him do this against the Saints the season before as well. Same confusion ensued and Brees just ended up throwing it away. Tis why they call him the Mad Scientist.

Posted by: Megskin | January 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd say everyone on this board except Barno is at least as qualified as Vinny to pick talent.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so saying we bring Grimm in, and after consecutive 3-13 seasons, he realizes that he's not cut out for being a head coach. Now, I'm not saying hire Fassel, but if the options are a head coach with experience, and knows what it takes to win, versus a head coach with ZERO head coaching experience, would the team NOT be better served by bringing in someone with experience?

I mean, if we agree we are going to be rebuilding, would it make more sense to have a coach who has been there/done that, versus a coach with nothing?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Screw it. Let's just hire Mark May and Jeff Bostic as well.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 24, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

What is barno qualified for? He is a prolific writer. That's bound to be valuable for something.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I mean, if we agree we are going to be rebuilding, would it make more sense to have a coach who has been there/done that, versus a coach with nothing?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 03:25 PM

That's like saying "it's better to base your roster on 'proven' free agents who've been in this league and know what it takes rather than bring in draft picks with no nfl experience at all." Doesn't always work out the way you thought.

Posted by: psps23 | January 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, the most you could hope to get for Betts would be a 4th or a 5th round pick, and Betts hardly qualifies as having had a full load since coming out of college. So in the scenario above, you trade a known commodity for a 4th/5th, and replace that known commodity with an unknown commodity. There are so many needs on this team, it just seems like a waste to do something like this. You're taking 2 steps back.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, the Dolphins and the Skins are nearly mirror images of each other ... $20M over the cap compared to $20M under the cap ... Vinny Cerrato compared to Bill Parcells ... OK, a funhouse mirror, but a mirror nonetheless.

[And not that your asking, but personally, if I were amateur GM-ing the Phins, I'd also go for an offensive lineman in the first round, then the big money free agent on another offensive lineman, then focus on the first and second QB spots ... one from the second round and the other a place holder for next season ... maybe Grossman ... or trade for McNabb ... something like that. That said, because you guys now have not only a REAL GM as well as a football brain, you're results are likely to be better than this amateur GM can provide.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Help me understand this logic.

People don't want Fassel who has taken a team to the super bowl, but do want Grimm, who has no head coaching experience?

If Grimm comes in, isn't that considered rebuilding? I mean he'd be a first year coach, expectations wouldn't be that high.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 03:09 PM

I think "logic" left the building quite some time ago.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I have three main issues with Pasqueralli:

1. He holds grudges and lets them interfere with his reporting.
2. He uses the royal "we" in everything.
3. He is a horrible writer who masks his lack of talent with vocabulary, the sure sign of someone who lacks confidence in their ability.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Keep Betts. He hasn't taken the pounding and he's easy on the salary cap. And really, he gained 1100 yards in little over half a season. He set a team record.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

beantown,
Jeff fischer, andy reid, tomlin, gibbs...plenty of guys get there shot and shine. Grimm has a strong resume that would suggest he would do a good job. Learning from the likes of Buges, Hanifan, Gibbs, Cowher, Whizenhut...even Norv. He has a varied network of collegues, has been to SBs as player and coach, he knows snyder and what its like to work for him, he knows the area and its appetite for football, family still based there so personal happiness....

also he updates a gibbsian philosphy which would be a smoother transition, he might be willing to keep semblence of D staff together

your assuming he is gonna go 3-13 just as much as you say his supporters

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"What is barno qualified for? He is a prolific writer. ..."

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 03:29 PM

Don't confuse cutting-and-pasting his own posts for writing, esp. when the underlying content is just a cut-and-paste of Jasno.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, I'd bet it went more like this:

Dan: Fassel my man, you got the job, now who do you want for your assistants?

Fassel: Two blocks of cheese and a little known football genius by the name of Isiah Thomas.

And as for the draft, I'm already hoping that Calais Campbell DE Miami falls to us. This guy is a beast (6-8 280 and runs a 4.8 40). When he had a decent football coach running things at Miami he had a huge season (84 tackles, 10.5 sacks, 20.5 tackles for loss, that's 31 plays in the backfield!!!!) Even this seasons stats were okay (50 tackles, 6 sacks, 12.5 tfl). He'd be awesome across from Andre Carter.

Posted by: chill | January 24, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

At least if they got Grimm there'd be someone we could root for. He belongs in the HOF just for what he did against Dallas in the NFC title game. He actually took over from Theismann in the huddle and started calling the plays. Running plays, of course.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 24, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 24, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

This isn't about logic! What on earth are you thinking, man???

This is about participating in the process. This head coaching search is the single most important thing going on in the world right now. It's more important than the war. More important than famine. More important than rampant cronyism in the government. More important than the uninspired candidates for the Republican presidential election. More important than government corruption.

We're talking about the head coach of the Washington Redskins. Righteous indignation and uncontrollable histrionics are our God-given rights!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks has his first Mock Draft out.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/01/23/mock.draft1.part1/index.html?bcnn=yes

I don't watch college football but he has us taking someone named Limas Sweed, a WR from TX, who I instantly like just because of his name.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

GG had his brilliant games. Having Daniels and Carter swap position vs Minnesota was a great 'outside the box' move. Ryan has Ed Reed and Ray Lewis among others, you can take some chances with that talent level.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The unsolveable problem is Snyder needs to hire a strong leader to be the head coach, but he is also trying to find someone who he (and Vinny) can work with (e.g. will let them play in the Redskins sandbox or will simply obey).

The trouble is you can have one, or the other, but not both. With Gibbs, we had Obi wan kenobi, who was able for at time to mesmerize the forces of the dark side.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

That said, because you guys now have not only a REAL GM as well as a football brain, you're results are likely to be better than this amateur GM can provide.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 03:32 PM

C'mon 'sween, can't you feel the draw of the dark side? Picture it; home games in Miami (sorta kinda), cheap flights, cheap tickets ('cos the stadium is empty), cheap (bad) beer, hot women, celebrating after the game down on South Beach....

C'mon 'sween, it's just one little step away. All you have to say is "HAIL! to the Dolphins....

No big deal.

No one's looking.

Take it.

You know you wanna....

:)

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Betts isn't a fine #2 guy (not Michael Turner fine, but fine), and I agree that a fair trade would be for a 4th round pick, and I don't disagree that, at the end of the 2006 season, he racked up alot of yards. That said, for the most part, those yards were "garbage yards" (for lack of a better term) with fumbles interspersed on KEY downs, and did not equate to wins. All stats, no "big" plays. I know that Al Saunders loves him (which I attribute mostly to gratitude for Betts demonstrating that Saunders' O could still put up yards ... eventually), but who knows what Saunders' future holds.

I'm just saying the Skins should think about getting younger at the position ... and should still plan on "competing" aggressively in the two RB derby. A strong rushing game keeps the defense off the field by maintaining time of possession.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

They might be able to pick up Jordy Nelson in the 3rd round. I'd say fourth but the Skins don't have a fourth. GBN doesn't have him in their top 100. But if you watch his highlight film the guy is a player. And he's great at throwing the option pass on the fake end around.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 24, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If Sweed is there, he'd be tough to pass up, I guess I'd have to know more about his background. Lets see what he runs at the combine, or his pro-day. I do know he is coming off ligament surgery on his wrist...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Don't confuse cutting-and-pasting his own posts for writing, esp. when the underlying content is just a cut-and-paste of Jasno.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 03:34 PM

You're selling him short 'sween, he does add "wow... just, wow" at the end of the cut and pastes...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

beep

beep

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,
We will never forgive your malevolent, triune denunciation of Mr.Pasqueralli!

Posted by: mack1 | January 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

With RBs it seems like there's a lot of good ones in the league right now, and it looks like this might be a draft deep in RBs. Maybe we use a 5th or 6th and bring somebody in to compete if you like, but it would be better to focus on the line. As the line goes, so goes the running attack. Look what happened to Seattle after Hutch left. Now they're a passing team. I wouldn't mind if we took a tackle at 1 and a guard at 2. And here's hoping Heyer improves like Monty did for his second year.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 24, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, latest comments are posted last, not first, so here goes mine anyway.

To summarize many of the comments on here the first week after Gibbs snubbed the Boy King, we thought his "cautious" approach to hire a HC was a good thing.

Now we find he hasn't met with Williams for at least a week and will not hire Fossil unless his tag team of Zorn and Rex Ryan are in place.

Well, that ain't happening.

What an unadulterated mess we have on our hands!


Posted by: 2greekdc | January 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Snyder sucks. no two ways about it. he's a clown turning our city and team into a laughingstock.

Bush in the White House and Snyder in the owner's box. burn in hades both.

Posted by: hyperbanana | January 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Matt4_4, you're right but what I meant about the ego boost is Dan saying I can hire whoever I want, piss off anybody I want and no one can do a damn thing about it. I can't weigh in too much on the draft when I have absolutely no idea what type of offense or defense we are going to run. BUT Daniels is pretty old in NFL terms and we could use a good compliment to Carter. I think we're pretty deep on the o line but they are aging as well. But we will need veterans. Don't waste high picks on WR, they're flaky and it's sometimes hard to tell what you're gonna get. Look at Detroits WR- streaky at best, then consider what Colston has done.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, there is nothing darker than that wolf in sheep's clothing ... by which I mean a cowboy wrapped in dolphin skin.

I know I know I know about Banks (and everybody else) sending Limas Sweed to Washington. EVERYONE is sending Limas Sweed to Washington. The early mock drafts did, so everyone is jumping on board. See also, Alan Branch last year. I have two problems with Limas Sweed ... (1) the Matt Millen Syndrome (MMS) ... it has to do with receivers in the first round ... just not safe (see Detroit ... on the first four tries) ... Vinny Cerrato has MMS bad ... Taylor Jacobs? Gardner, Rod? and (2) Limas Sweed did not have a great year this year because of the fabled sprained wrist. All the pumping is based on his prior performance, esp. his JUNIOR year. If performance in your junior year is the basis to pick a tall WR, then I go for Lance Leggett of "The U" ... same guy, same height, same speed, same hands, same junior year, only no senior career to speak of.

Also, if Calais Campbell is there, I'd skip right to there (assuming the Skins don't get Antwan Odom). How does a 6'8" DE slip to the #21 spot? I don't care if there are shorter guys who looked more impressive ... that is what coaches are there for. I bet he moves up. With the benefit of hindsight (or if you review posts by this guy, dcsween, from this time last year), Adam Carriker was the best DE in last year's draft, but the third one picked.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I forgot a word about that last parenthetical ... the word was foresight ... (and seriously, I'm not an "I told you so" kind of guy). I'm not saying the Skins should have gone for Carriker. I'm not. I LOVE LaRon Landry, but I'm saying that the Falcons (Jamaal Anderson) and the Bucs (Gaines Adams) whiffed.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Danny Boy is turning into the Redskin curse.

Posted by: kbrown | January 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Why couldn't Danny have bought the Cowboys instead?

Posted by: jeffjwb | January 24, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the hold up. Why not offer the job to Williams, for say 2 years? The players like him and he is the kind of no-nonsense guy that we need in there. Let him run the defense and Saunders run the offense. We are not going to be doing anygood by now changing a system that was starting to work. thats my opinion

Posted by: pstylee | January 24, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

All of sudden I feel cold, sad, and alone.

Posted by: kbrown | January 24, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is saying.. Keep the continuity.. WHat! There is none! They one those last 5 games one pure guts and heart, THATS IT! Otherwise they were mediocre.. And with that same system and Gibbs in place i dare say they MIGHT barely make the playoffs next year.. So why not change everything??! I have ZERO faith in GW as a HC.. Good Def Cord. but coach nahh... We need some coaches who know how to win! Either they have experience on a winning team already or they have great offensive scheme.. I am not worried too much about the defense..

Posted by: curtis.j.ross | January 24, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The real question at this point has to be: what QUALITY head coach would come to work for such a dysfunctional front office?

I hope Gregg, and all of the coaching staff leaves (not because I don't like them, but because I do).

Posted by: quettefan | January 24, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams is not the same man who coached the Buffalo Bills. He has apprenticed with a hall of fame coach for 4 years and worked with some of the best coaches around. If Snyder had any brains, he could see that Gregg could hit the ground running with this team. But since that bug eyed dumb-a$$ Cerato doesn't feel comfortable with Gregg, they decide to blow up the team. Makes perfect sense to me. I wish snyder and cerato were running a Krispy Kreme franchise instead of destroying my favorite team!!

Posted by: jimwell | January 24, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

If I were Greg Williams, I would leave this organization immediately unless he want to be a greedy idiot. This whole thing is a slap in the face to Mr. Williams, players and the organization. Who in their right mind would want to work for Dannyboy unless they want a big fat paycheck! I wish Jack Kent Cooke would send a bolt of lightning on Danny boys jet while he is in it. This jerk does not give a damn about anyone and just wants to make his billions. What goes around comes around folks. It's too bad one cannot have a hostile takeover for an NFL team.

Posted by: mofares | January 24, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Redskins fan no more.

__________________

There were only two choices for this job and Snyder ignored them both: Greg Williams and Russ Grimm.

Anything else is a disaster.

Dan Snyder is an idiot.

Posted by: Everwill | January 26, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Quick updates:

Meeks gets second interview;

Scott Campbell hired as director of player personnel;

Did not see any post regarding this.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 27, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Good column by Mike Wise in today's Post:

"For a franchise always accused of never grasping the significance of how to behave at an important moment -- public perception changed in a matter of months. With how Williams's firing was handled, it took less than two weeks to undo all the unifying feelings that emerged from the Taylor tragedy.

In the end, everyone lost much more than a coaching job."

Couldn't agree more. Snyder is an @ss h--- and Vinnie is his t---!.

Posted by: rudymr | January 27, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

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