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What Went Wrong

Now that we've handed out the gold stars, lets take inventory of the not so hot.

Andre Carter still looks lost to me. He never really took advantage of that awful offensive line, failed to do anything significant to build on and did not register a single tackle. He hasn't come close to getting a sack, in fact, and the Redskins now have just three sacks for 16 yards all season, one in each game. Not nearly good enough my friends. Houston was trailing by 14 at the half, had no running game and everyone knew they would be dropping back to pass. It was the perfect prescription (sorry TomKat, I know how you guys feel about medicine and all) to pin back the ears and get after the passer. Yet, nada, again.

Adam Archuleta is in the same boat. There remains a great gulf of open terrain over the middle of the field whenever the Redskins are on defense.

The penalties are getting ridiculous. Even casting aside the weekly "bad calls" that Coach Joe will inevitably send to the league office for review, this team's discipline is out of control The slew of holding penalties at the end of the half could have really derailed the offense, and the early penalties on special teams looked like they might be backbreakers before Portis took that shovel pass 74 yards and changed everything. Washington has been called for 30 penalties totaling 298 yards already this season, topping 100 yards for the second straight week (12-126).


Something has to change with the coverage on deep balls over the middle. Andre Johnson was entirely too easy a time hauling in that 53-yard bomb. It's happening every week now. Even if CB Shawn Springs comes back Sunday, it's hard to see him playing every down and being 100 percent considering how long he's been out with groin/abdominal injuries.

Chris Cooley and B.Lloyd remain passengers in the passing game. Cooley has seven grabs for 38 yards this season (were any of them memorable? nothing springs to mind. Good thing he waited until the late rounds to get picked in his fantasy drafts). Lloyd has three grabs for 26 yards. Only one WR has more than 100 receiving yards all season - Santana with 188. He was posting that per game this time a year ago.

I love Rock - and he's one of our blog favs - but the fumbling thing is out of control. They gave him that one carry in KC last year and the ball popped out then too. Don't think he'll be getting too many more rushes. Great on special teams, but I think that might be the last rush.

Obviously, this is not the finished product on either side of the ball, or at least for the sake of Skins fans it better not be.

I'll leave you with this tidbit. Did you know?: Former Skin Sage Rosenfels is the Texans back-up QB. These ex-Skin passers are everywhere.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 25, 2006; 2:00 PM ET
 
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Jason, you were probably en route to the locker room and didn't see this, but one of the first people Brunell greeted at the end of the game was Rosenfels.

Posted by: Jason's editor | September 25, 2006 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how all the people who posted previously know that Campbell won't be a good QB in this league? It's not like he's taken one single regular season snap yet. Sure, going to Campbell now may force the Skins to make the playoffs, but who says sticking with Brunell gets them in. Just because he's playing doesn't mean they get a free pass into the postseason.

At least there's some perspective here. The Redskins beat a lousy team. A JV team. But remember two weeks ago when Philly beat Houston and everyone shouted from the rafters that the Eagles were back, stronger than ever. Where was the perspective then? Maybe we should all be saying the possibility of a Super Bowl is still alive because the Skins handled the Texans.

Props to Frost again for a nice afternoon punting. Gotta give it up to the man, he was embattled like none other. He's finally showing some leg strength. Coverage has been better, too.

I'm thinking it may be time to bench Archuleta. Not sure if there's a viable option behind him, but seriously, there must be someone else who can play. Archuleta's even missing tackles in the open field. Of everything he's done wrong, that's the most inexcusable.

Posted by: Colin | September 25, 2006 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I wasn't saying that people here were blowing the Eagles victory against the Texans out of proportion. Just the ESPN, FOX, CBS, NBC media types.

Posted by: Colin | September 25, 2006 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if the league penalized us for every bad trade we made we could get a real GM in here. Let's say, -10 yards on every kickoff? So, that'd be, with Archuleta and Carter, minus twenty yards we'd start back.

I can see it now. Everytime we get the ball, the ref walks out and throws a penality flag: "For two bad trades and general front office incompetence--twenty yards. Tweeeet!" Maybe then Gibbs would get a clue.

You guys know we're stuck with Brunell forever now? Gibbs will use this as an excuse for never ever ever getting rid of him. No matter how bad he does in the future, no matter how much "he's really fightin' his guts out", no matter how many balls he skips off the turf, no matter how many quackers fill the sky, Gibbs will have this game to point to and say he was right to get him.

We are...doomed


Posted by: Megskin | September 25, 2006 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Is there any chance we can get an article that doesn't involve Tom Cruise this year? Was the aside supposed to be a whitty insight? It only made me go "great, another lame David Letterman joke."

Contrary to unpopular belief, people are sick of 'TomKat' jokes and such. Let's move on.

Ps. Yes, the D needs to step up the pace. If you can't sack the most sacked QB in the past 5 years, you're doing something wrong.

Posted by: Fitz | September 25, 2006 2:23 PM | Report abuse

You know I wish you guys would just shut up aleady... it doesn't matter who the team plays and or beat, the main mission/goal for the print media and radio is to always have the glass half empty! Of course we fans still see problems i.e. the number of penalties which is just dumb! We see the same things you guys see but you don't have to hammer consistently over and over the negatives. Yes we beat the Texans 31 -15, could've been worse if not for the Rock fumble...check out the game against the Eagles, ah see i think we played them and beat them just as we should've. It's getting almost unbearable to listen to any sports talk radio anymore these days with Bram freaking out, B-Mitch hatin along with someother ex-skins who keep harping back to when they played...how soon they forget that they too, had their moments and looked like crap...sure in the first Gibbs go round there are 3 SB trophies but hey ex-skins what about those years in between! And please pass the word to get off this Manning praise kick...sure Peyton's a good QB, but let's be real Archie, Peyton & Eli... together what have they won??? Ok so until then they are no different then Brunell, Pennington, Plummer etc., who have bright moments but don't have the ultimate to show for it oh yeah and you're Mcnabbs, Culpepper, Palmer and of course Hassleback the media darlings we have to here the pre-game show hypes about every week!

Posted by: 1trufan | September 25, 2006 2:26 PM | Report abuse

To a degree, I must concur with 1trufan. Football is alot like tennis; good teams play up or down to the level of their competition; all that matters is leaving with a W.

Posted by: Jason's editor | September 25, 2006 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of it too 1trufan. Last week was simply unbearable for any real redskins fan. Not because we were 0-2, but because everywhere I turned I had to listen to IDIOT "fans" calling for Brunell's head. As I said last week, if you are for benching Brunell, you are either an idiot or you are happy with missing the playoffs this year and getting the kid ready for next year. Either way, I don't want to hear it.

Posted by: Barno | September 25, 2006 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Fitz. TomKat cracks are here to stay. Consider it a man law.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | September 25, 2006 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok, let me get this straight...the coach who fought for 3 Super Bowl titles for your city sticks by his QB. Said QB sets AN NFL RECORD for consecutive completions against AN NFL TEAM in a regular season game. You still question the coach???

Keep in mind that any number of QB's play these "JV" teams each week of every year and do not set NFL RECORDS.

Do the Redskins still have some problems? Yes, and Jason did a good job of summing them up. And I personally would like to see better play from the line and fewer penalties on the offensive side of the ball (the D has other issues which I'll leave for others, since this is about Gibbs & QB).

But KFC, can you football geniuses put aside your overblown fascination with your observational skills and recognize this accomplishment, and recognize that this franchise, over the past two years, has been righted in a way that was unimaginable over the previous decade?

All I want you to do is buy tickets, get in the stadium, and yell your guts out. You are criticizing MY OLDSCHOOL COACH and frankly, you are making me sick.

M1 Out.

Posted by: M1 | September 25, 2006 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Nice clothes, Fitz! I didn't know that the Salvation Army was having a sale. Am I right? Am I right? Look at this guy!

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | September 25, 2006 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks guys, I think what really hit a nerve and I usually at lunch listen to one of the sports talk shows either the ESPN XXX or B-mitch, but as I stated before I'm just not feeling the love from these folks, sure us fans are happy we got a win, and we also know it was the lowly Texans but you know the first thing I hear when I turn on the radio some ex player/radio host claiming well it was only the Texans they can't play that way against Jacksonville and expect to win! Well needless to say I quickly tuned the show out and went back to listening to music. Now the way I see it, if this was a sign that the players have somewhat started to figure out the offense, it's a start and i think back to when the Jags played the Cowgirls in Jacksonville and I look at our game with the Cowgirls in Dallas and figure all that in...and say we get the Jags here with another week to work and improve on the offense and figure this is a winnable game, and hopefully but i'm not counting on it but maybe Springs will be back, if not no biggie since it seems the more the backups play they've actually gotten a bit more comfortable and are playing better. Plus I think Johnson & Moulds are a tougher match-up then the Jags receivers and for the most part we did a good job on T.O. and Glenn! I think we leave Fedex with a win!

Posted by: 1trufan | September 25, 2006 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Wes Mantooth, you had me at hello ...

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | September 25, 2006 2:53 PM | Report abuse

One thing that Jason touched on but nobody seems to be worried about is, sure Mark Brunell set a record, but I only counted 1 pass that went more than 10 yards downfield.
This dink and dunk stuff is not going to work every week. Brunell really has to show that he can still throw the ball down the field. The only pass that he did it on was to David Patten and it was a pretty good throw. I'm very concerned though that in 3 weeks, the longest pass play through the air is like 24 yards. Not good.

Posted by: phildiddy | September 25, 2006 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Andre Carter just does not seem to be adding value. My proposal is to shift defensive alignments ... from 4-3 ... to 3-5. Yes, three down linemen and five linebackers. Mostly because we have more good linebackers than we do down linemen or secondary. I remember during the draft, when the Skins were shopping to replace LaVar, that there were a bazillion good outside linebacker candidates. Then later, reading that the passing game had changed to make that position more important, i.e., that QBs would be throwing more very short passes (w/Saunders' play calling a fair example). Until Springs comes back, it should be Daniels, Griffin, with Golsten in the middle, and then Washington, Marshall, Holdman, McIntosh, and Posey. Just move those guys around.

In post-game comments, Kubiak said that they prepared for the Skins defense, and that the Skins played exactly as predicted (he admitted that the Texans just flopped). By contrast, Shockey complained about bad coaching by the NYG b/c the Seahawks played a very different defense than the one the Giants prepared for. Could G Williams really be getting predictable?

Posted by: dcsween | September 25, 2006 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this Brunell thing is not so much that we don't wish him to do badly, it's just that one game like this (against the worst defense in the NFL) reinforces Joe Gibbs philosophy of sticking with "the man" even if he goes back to being a below average NFL quarterback week after week until the Skins don't make the playoffs. We all hope that doesn't happen - but the likelihood of this happening is very real. That is what us doubters are afraid of.

Posted by: charlie | September 25, 2006 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I think we ought to switch to a 2-5. Maybe a 1-6.

I wonder which one is going to be closer to the 'Skins' record at the midpoint?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 25, 2006 3:00 PM | Report abuse

As I said last week, if you are for benching Brunell, you are either an idiot or you are happy with missing the playoffs this year and getting the kid ready for next year.

Okay, then I'm happy with going with the kid. Let's find out now if he can play with the big boys or not. If not, then we need to get somebody else in here, because the rest of the offense is just sick with talent.

Either way, I don't want to hear it.

Meh. Fine, cover your eyes when you see my name but I won't be the only one complaining about Brunell.

Posted by: Megskin | September 25, 2006 3:05 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, I don't buy that at all Kubiak's trying to soften the blow...as for the A-hole name Shockey... his statement I swear I heard before... oh yeah it was Tiki after they lost in the playoffs... I don't buy that either, look at all 3 Giants games their D is suppose to be the bomb this year if you believe all the pre-season hype with the addition of one Lavar and what they already had...well from what I can tell the defense has looked pitiful in all 3 games and if it weren't for Philly's stupidity and Seattle getting to relaxed it would've been far worse than it looks. But for the most part the media overlooks that, and only thinks about the points and the way Eli and company were able to move the ball and score...I guess so when a team has you down they tend loosen up a bit more on D...isn't that what most of you media types were saying about Brunell after he padded his numbers in the Dallas game??? Yeah that's right some of you were saying well Dallas was giving you this and that yada yada, well same with the Giants and Eli's numbers, if they give and you take wisely eventually you get close enough and get lucky and score and a few more breaks or goofs on their part another score and look we got a game maybe...i.e. Giants vs Philly last year the Skins vs Cowboys game 1... which brings me back to the media darling again Eli has he really do anything? Or are his numbers padded by the situation of the game and what the defense is willing to give... maybe I need to host a sports talk radio show ha ha!

Posted by: 1trufan | September 25, 2006 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey phildiddy... ever heard the saying run it until they stop it! It don't matter how you get there just get there... Isn't that Philly's offense anyway dink and dunk? Oh yeah every once in awhile Mcnabb might go deep...how many has he hit?

Posted by: 1trufan | September 25, 2006 3:09 PM | Report abuse

phildiddy vs. P Diddy. No holds barred.

Film at 11.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 25, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Redskins fans always are glasses half full after losses and 2 glasses full after big wins (i.e. a win against anybody but the Texans and 49ers). This is way I have always remembered it growing up and I assume the way it will always be. Not defending it, just stating the obvious.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 25, 2006 3:21 PM | Report abuse

you wouldn't know the obvious if it were staring you in the face! Do you even know anything about football.

Posted by: Oh | September 25, 2006 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon has it this week:

Largo, Maryland: Hello Michael,

Why are the coaches for the Redskins over emphasizing the experience of the quarterback position? They need to allow Jayson Cambell to play and use the arm that he is blessed with. Plus he can scramble and not take the sacks Burnell take. Like it not Mark Burnell is not fast enough for this league in a week to week ongoing bases.

Michael Wilbon: Are you on time-warp? Did you submit this question Saturday? Did you see Mark Brunell yesterday? This is when I need to remind someone that "fan" is short for "fanatic." So, the team agenda has no importance for you, only that you get the quarterback you want. You're like Roy Rogers on Detroit saying the score doesn't matter, only that he gets to gestictulate "FIRST DOWN!" Stop, your team won big and Brunell did something historic. Go away now. Please.

Posted by: M1 | September 25, 2006 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Wait, why can't the dink and dunk stuff work? All you need is ten yards over three (or four) downs. I would think that dink and dunk, plus some good tough running yards, is a great way to win games. You win the time of possession, you wear down the other team's defense, the O line doesn't have to protect for five step drops... Or is this just the same people who want every team to resemble the 99 Rams because it helps them win their fantasy league? I grew up watching NFC East football, which means I got my fair share of the Posse, but it also means I got to watch Riggo and Byner, and even Timmy Smith for one game, grind it out. I don't mind getting back to smash-mouth football with some dinking and dunking. All I want is W's... I don't really care how it happens.

Posted by: OD | September 25, 2006 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Just seeing if I can abuse the system... Jason is usually not this frequent or brief in his comments. Who is Jason La Canfora? He should have an official looking post so yahoo's can't say they're Jason.

Dorf

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | September 25, 2006 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday did show us that Brunell is still good enough. You have to temper the enthusiasm, because we know we beat a hapless team we should have. The penalties are a lack of discipline, which can be fixed.
The thing I think a lot of people are concerned with is the arrogant manner in which we dispose of draft picks. If you are using them on can't miss studs, then ok. But giving up 3rd and/or 4th round picks is silly, especially for guys who are clearly not studs, haven't done jack yet, and in some cases are made inactive. Golston looks good, not bad for a 6th rounder huh? Just imagine what we could do with 7 actual picks in any draft. Nonsensical, and I admit like an earlier poster said, doom is inevitable.

Posted by: Kevin K | September 25, 2006 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Screw Football talk,

How come so few comments about Jasons Pic?

Posted by: OC Paul | September 25, 2006 3:40 PM | Report abuse

If you want to talk about Jasons pic, try the Queer Eye website. Can we get you validated and over there, that would be great.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 25, 2006 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, except for the one you poisted as me, I posted the rest. Waiting for the Gibbs press conference with some time on my hands.
OC Paul, you're late to the party, yo. The pics been up a while, since Thursday or Friday. I'd say they got my best side, but I'm not sure I have one.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | September 25, 2006 3:45 PM | Report abuse

J-

where is my prize for winning the skins song contest???

-R

Posted by: Barno | September 25, 2006 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I have to say I'm concerned about the defensive line. It's not just Carter who's struggling. Has anyone heard Phillip Daniels name called this year? Cornelius Griffin? Joe Salave'a? Renaldo Wynn? It's like these guys are totally nonexistent this year. I wonder if these guys are starting to show their age.

Posted by: Ryan | September 25, 2006 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Barno, waiting for Cooley to watch the video. It's still sitting in his locker. I'll check with him again this week. Put a note inside the DVD instructing him who to sign it to and all. I'll stay on him.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | September 25, 2006 3:52 PM | Report abuse

You guys are missing the point. Are we better off with T.J. Duckett here than not? Yes. But that doesn't mean it was a good idea or good for the long term.

Brunell may be better for this year but it's better for the team to have an established QB who can make throw.

Don't give me that 22 consecutive passes BS either. 2 were past 15 yards and one of those was tipped and the WR made a great catch.

You can win Superbowls with a QB who doesn't make mistakes but You need guys with names like Lewis and Brooks not Marshall and Holdman on the other side of the ball.

Posted by: Skinz | September 25, 2006 3:53 PM | Report abuse

hey skinz.... I believe the tipped pass was called back because of holding.... that being said, they did an Al Saunders version of the west coast offense. That was what was needed against the Texans. They devised a game plan and they stuck to it.

It really helped to have CP back.... not only for Brunell to hit some passes, but also to give Ladell a boost. He's a great spell back as can be seen by his 120+ yards over 16 carries.

One more thing about Brunell's performance. Does anyone remember Joe Montana? Was he a downfield threat as a passer? From what I remember he was an extrememly efficient quarterback that excelled in the "dink and dunk" west coast offense. Now, I am in no way saying the Brunell is in the same league as Montana, but my point is that the "dink and dunk" can work if you have a strong running game and you do throw the occasional pass downfield. On top of that, Brunell needed exactly this type of outing to reduce his happy feet when standing in the pocket too long (he gets his confidence back).

Next week will be a great test of the whole team.... are we getting better or are we doomed as Megskin happened to point out?

One thing is for sure..... if we are penalized 12-124 (or whatever it was) next week w/ Jansen and Samuels acting like there are trying to do a waltz or tango w/ the D-ends then it won't matter how good or bad Brunell plays. J-ville is waaaaay too good of a team for us to be that error prone and expect victory. It all starts in the trenches and our line play on both sides of the ball so far this year has been sub-par. Hopefully Joe Bugel breaks out his pixie dust this week and the o-line plays its guts out.... we're gonna need them in top form if we even want to think about beating the Jags.


Posted by: Mucus Membrane | September 25, 2006 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The D-Line as a whole is not playing well at all. No one except for maybe the rookie Golston are performing. They are not getting any pass rush, and they are not tackling well. Most run tackles are being made by the linebackers or Taylor. Taylor is having to way to much run support, and it is effecting his play in the secondary. I think the injuries to Daniels and Griffen are the reason.

Posted by: Stro | September 25, 2006 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Wes Mantooth, where did you get those clothes? At the toilet store?

Been a little lax about reading and posting for a while, but I couldn't resist that one.

Jason, any word on how Clinton's shoulder is feeling today?

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | September 25, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

MM,

All valid points. My question is this though. If we are going to throw glorified pitches with no reads or progression do you really think that's not something that JC or ever Randel El for that matter can't do?

If JC can't complete a pass 10 yards to the flat behind the line of scrimmage with no read just hike and fire then god help us all going forward.

Posted by: Skinz | September 25, 2006 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo Burnell completed 22 screen passes in a row. Did you see his awesome 78 yard completion to Portis. Oh yeah he flipped the ball 2 yards to him. Jacksonville is going to bring the hammer next week with pressing zone coverages. Hopefully Brunell can complete a pass of more then 10 yards next week because he is going to have too. Other wise is going to be another long weekend. When you are 36 years old QB, you do not get better as the season goes along. The redskins beat the Texans because of the running game.

Posted by: DC | September 25, 2006 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm a die hard Redskins! I never understoond when we even signed Archuleta... He does better stopping the run. He has NEVER done well defending the pass.

Posted by: mirak2610 | September 25, 2006 4:49 PM | Report abuse

that was the worst thing that could've happened to the skins.

we're done for the next two years!

having said that i wonder if we as skins fans will ever feel the way we felt in the 80's. correction fans of any team feels the way we felt in the 80's. then again...look at the patsies. they can't do wrong...they play with scrubs and still make the playoffs...every year...

btw, did you notice greg williams mention "DRAFT" as if he was trying to make a point or something (maybe to Snyder?) "we like to grow our own" in his postgame interview? (when he was talking about goldston)

ps...who's a better RB than portis? (LJ, LT...maybe. but that's it)

Posted by: dealer | September 25, 2006 5:01 PM | Report abuse

ps...jason, tomkat "joke" was LAME!!! it was NOT funny! you can't just throw the words "tomkat" in a sentence and get a laugh...you have a nice day job...stick with it!

Posted by: dealer | September 25, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Ok, people are jumping on and off the Brunell bandwagon with each performance. I for one am off the Brunell bandwagon. He's 36 years old. In the last 20 years only two QBs over the age of 35 made it to the superbowl (Elway twice and Gannon). Brunell is not Elway. I think it's great that Brunell broke the record. He went with what the defense was giving him. His stats were inflated because our running game was so effective. Til' now the running game has been average at best. JAX doesn't give up any rushing yards. Unfortunately, I don't think Brunell can go down field consistently if teams take away the short stuff (like dallas did). If you guys trust in Gibbs so much, how can you say Campbell is such a horrible QB. Gibbs was the guy behind the trade to move up and grab Campbell because he liked him so much. Gibbs saw Campbell as a strong armed athletic QB. Campbell has sat on the pine for 21 games now (that includes playoff games). If he's not ready now he will never be ready. I trust in the coach and he will make the move if necessary. Brunell had no pressure and was steady in the pocket on Sunday. Against JAX he will have severe pressure, and I'm afraid we will see the same Brunell we saw in the Dallas game. Our D-backs will have a tough time covering the 6'6 6'4 6'4 receivers. And Leftwich has an accurate powerful arm (he's what I expect Campbell to be eventually). I can't see Mike Rumph or K. Wright covering Reggie Williams successfully. And C. Rogers will have his hands full with 6'6 Matt Jones. Let's hope that Springs is back. Then we may have a chance. Let's also hope we can run, or we may be in trouble.

Posted by: Max | September 25, 2006 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I went to the store to buy grapes and TOMKAT spent too much money.
Tell me, is that not hilarious? You can too drop TOMKAT in any sentence and crack people up.
Try it yourself. It's a great party game, like six-dergees of Kevin Beacon.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | September 25, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Holding penalties are typically a sign that the O-line is getting beat by the D-line. If we had that many holding penalties against Houston, I don't see it getting much better against a MUCH STONGER front four coming to town this sunday.

Posted by: Max | September 25, 2006 5:40 PM | Report abuse

That's right, barno. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. Because people don't think Brunell should be starting, they're all morons. Thanks for the lesson. Do the Redskins have a better chance of making the playoffs with Brunell than Campbell? I'd be inclined to say yes, but I'm not sure. I haven't seen anything from Brunell yet. Still, just because he's starting doesn't mean the Skins are playoff-bound.

I like Brunell. He works hard. He fights. He doesn't make mistakes. But if he can't get the ball down the field, then he's not doing his job effectively. With Portis back, he'll probably be a little better. And I hope he does play well because if he does, it means the Redskins are winning. If he's a complete bust against the Jags, though, some serious consideration must go into making a change.

Posted by: Colin | September 25, 2006 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Max, I certainly hope that Campbell is more mobile than Leftwich. And if Brunell, a savvy vet at 36, hasn't picked up the offense yet, do you really think a kid who is learning his sixth in sixth years is going to step in and do better? it's more than just taking the ball from the center (which, given carr's ability to hang on yesterday, may be more difficult than you imagine) and tossing it two yards. it involves reading defenses and making adjustments, etc, etc. I hope he's the QB of the future, but I am not (yet) willing to give up on this entire year so that he can get reps for next season. I say wait until at least after the bucs game. if brunell can't beat the bucs this year, then he is in fact done.

Posted by: OD | September 25, 2006 5:49 PM | Report abuse

When Portis ran the 70-yarder....I did a total Tomkat on my sofa.

yeah..it DOES work in any sentence.

As usual, JLC is correct.

Posted by: bornafan | September 25, 2006 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Well Bledsoe got off to 0-4 start for the Patriots his last year there and a guy named Tom Brady took over. Just because a guy is on the bench doesn't mean he doesn't grasp the offense and can't make reads etc. You won't know how well he's picked up the offense until he plays. And the other 5 offenses he's studied should be pretty easy to put out of his memory. Remember, Brunell and Campbell have had the same amount of time to study the play book.

Posted by: Max | September 25, 2006 5:54 PM | Report abuse

What if the Skins only have two wins by the Tampa game?

I'm sure we've all seem some positives through the first three weeks, but some of the negatives are so glaring, that there's cause for concern. This team may have a shot against the Jags only because Jacksonville has trouble reaching the end zone. If the Redskins run 30+ times not matter what, they'll have a shot. Run it even if it isn't working. Just keep pounding it. And run some strech plays to tire those defensive tackles.

Posted by: Colin | September 25, 2006 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Replacing Brunell does not mean the team is giving up on the season. It's my understanding that the skins never give up. Gibbs has changed QB's numerous times in his career and I don't believe he's ever done it because he had given up on the season.

Posted by: Think again | September 25, 2006 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm late today - had to work through lunch. Just checking in and have only one quick comment:

Portis earned a lot of credibility yesterday - not that he didn't already have it. He had been talking a lot about how everything would be better when he came back, and hell if that offense didn't take off after his 75 yard run. The Skins were looking pretty weak up until that point. I'm now bought-in to the theory that he is the key to this offense - at least for now. Granted, Betts put up more yards on the ground, but where were all those yards before Portis got things rolling? Tell you what - I don't really care about whether Brunell can still play or not anymore. Let's just run the ball every down then throw maybe one deep play-action pass at the end of each quarter. If Brunell gets weak again we can just have Randle El chuck it for us on those plays. We sure have enough backs to keep the legs fresh.

Too tired to continue this today - hollar

Posted by: Reaperfan | September 25, 2006 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone laying odds on whether or not Duckett is a healthy scratch this week?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | September 25, 2006 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Brunell and back up QBs are old news. The bigest disappoinment from the start of the season is Redskis defense team. If they have played up to their potential, they may have won all 3 games with low scores and the offense have time to get better. The defense is the main problem not the offense.

Posted by: knnva | September 25, 2006 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Nice reply, bornafan. JLC must stick with tomkat until 1) they break up, 2) they return to their home planet, 3) Gibbs changes QBs. Or any combintion of those three.

Posted by: Jason's editor | September 25, 2006 6:29 PM | Report abuse

And, Reaperfan, call in sick on Mondays, will ya?

Posted by: Jason's editor | September 25, 2006 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Jason, has there been any discussion about replacing Archuleta?

Posted by: Colin | September 25, 2006 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Geez guys, pull your heads out of your TOMKATs. Hmmm, that felt good. The D HAS to step up this week. Brunell will be fine if given time by the O line...Not bad this week with time, huh? Campbell is NOT ready. I love the KID's athleticism, but not so crazy about lack of over-all QB skills...which brings us to the vicious circle...you can't get the experience w/o the reps. If there were a way to transplant Brunell's head to Campbell's body...ooo, man! The thought of it makes me twitch with freaky fantasy football glee! It also makes me think of that awful made-for-TV movie starring Rosie Greer with some old man's head attached to his shoulder....creepy. Anyway, Go Skins!

Posted by: Triplz | September 25, 2006 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I think The Simpsons did a better job utilizing the alternate-head-on-someone-else's-shoulders theme.

Lisa: "Don't forget, Dad, tonight my class is having an all-you-can-eat spaghetti dinner."
Homer: "Mmm ... spaghetti."
Burns: "But Homer, tonight's our reception for Queen Beatrix of The Netherlands."
Homer: "Oh, I hate having two heads."

Posted by: Colin | September 25, 2006 7:16 PM | Report abuse

u guys should really think about embracing brunell anyway...it isnt going to change...he isnt a bad QB in the right situation/environment...the rest of the offense just needs to create that for him...a running game (portis), a little protection/time, a few safe options for passing (otherwise he wont throw it) and no more penalties...i dont like his reluctance to throw the ball down field...i certainly didnt like his performance in the first two games...but he is all we got...or should i say...he is all we gonna get...he is gibbs man and gibbs is only going to work to find a way to create the environment he can be successful in...might as well find a way to be supportive...its a long way before we can be mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs so you might as well jump on the bandwagon and hold on tight...who knows where this wagon is going but the ride is what its all about...embrace it...dont fight it!!!

its all about getting the ball into your playmakers hands and we've got a bunch of them...who cares if he gets it to them at the line of scrimmage or down field as long as he gets it to them with a chance to make a play...obvioulsy between gibbs and brunell and everyone in between they feel better about the higher percentage pass and the potential for YAC right now...i sitll think they should stretch the field and test those waters a bit more but the dink and dunk isnt all bad...and i would imagine that they will start to encorporate those down field passes in time...gibbs and brunell are calculated risk takers...and with everyone covering the deep ball it doesnt make sense to them to attack that and frankly when i say that it doesnt make a whole lotta sense to me either...once we get the running game and dink and dunk attack going and defenses have to change to deal with it then im sure down field stuff will open up and we will go after it...

we are only 3 games in and we are only 1 game out of first in the nfc east after an ugly 0-2 start...things could be a lot worse...

in gibbs i trust!!!

Posted by: deadskin | September 25, 2006 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Geez....why are so many of you haters? You hate Brunell, hate the D, etc. It gets really, really OLD. Why can't we have just ONE DAY to enjoy a WIN - even if it was against the lowly Texans??? We played them just as competitively as the Eagles did.

Yes, there were lots of "dinks" and "dunks" but Saunders devised a game plan that would give the team (especially Brunell) his confidence back. He did not call a pass down field so that we could keep the momentum going - and hell, it worked! I'm sure Saunders knows it will not work this weekend against the Jags and he will try something different.

Posted by: Rainesmaker | September 25, 2006 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Colin: Forgot that one. Nice! All men, at times, hate having two heads. The better part of my life...probably most men's lives...was spent using the smaller of the two.
Rainesmaker: You're right about the haters, nay-sayers, however you care to put it. I LOVE my Skins...win, lose or draw. I hate it when guys talk trash about their OWN team, but I also respect their right to say what they feel...regardless how misdirected, sad or moronic they may be...Go Skins!

Posted by: Triplz | September 25, 2006 7:59 PM | Report abuse

MAN LAW. KEEP TOMKAT!!!! And how about Scott Brunell! Lookin good.

Posted by: Macaca Johnson | September 25, 2006 9:11 PM | Report abuse

One comment to refresh your memory: In the preseason, Brunell said that Todd "Get Me Some Tweezers, Please" Collins told him that it would take a year to get Saunder's offense down. Brunell said that he responded, "A year! I'll be 37, then!"

(tomkat-had to give props to Mom and Dad.)

Posted by: Suri Cruise | September 25, 2006 11:13 PM | Report abuse

We seem to start every season off leading the league in penalties and on pace to break the NFL season record.

That is actually one thing I fully believe we will get straightened out.

Posted by: Cornelius | September 26, 2006 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Hey there, not much chance of replacing a safety now with Prioleau out for the season - what is itself a very significant loss that has mostly gone overlooked. Vernon Fox is making strides an getting the system down, but they are pretty slim in the secondary.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | September 26, 2006 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Here's why redskins fans are funny to me:

1. Most skins fans HATE brunell.
2. Most skins fans LOVE gibbs.
3. Gibbs wants brunell to be his qb.
4. People still complain and want campbell.

I'm sure all the brunell haters here know better than Gibbs who should be the qb and who gives the team the best chance to win. Really. This team was built to win NOW and brunell is the qb this year, barring injury. Campbell will hopefully be great in the future, but even if we lose to the Jags, Gibbs will not make a change, so all the complaining is just a huge waste of time. Brunell's the qb--get over it.

Gibbs is the person I would most like to have as a coach to reduce penalties. Who's better at it?

The defense has played pretty well, considering they start carlos rogers and kenny wright at corner. With rumph as the nickel. Getting springs back should be huge. httr.

Posted by: WrongDog | September 26, 2006 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Please don't confuse someone saying put in JC with "hating" Brunell. I don't hate Brunell. I recognize that we actually have a good TE, RB, and three Recievers. Two decent tackles. (Both overrated) A good guard and a serviceable D at this point.

My argument is if everyone assumes that JC's first year is a throw-away year then that means Brunell this year dink and dunk. JC next year getting the offense down. Then maybe being good in 3 years. By that time Portis is 29 our Tackles are 32. Springs gone.

Oh right, i guess you guys are counting on all those draft picks to replace them...oh right....we don't have any.

Posted by: Skinz | September 26, 2006 10:59 AM | Report abuse

WrongDog hit the nail on the head! I'm guessing the majority of "fans" who are calling for Brunell's head and demanding that the kid play this year, weren't "fans" during the first Gibbs era, nor have they been following the NFL for long. There's an old rule in the NFL that first and second-year QBs do not lead teams to super bowls very often. In fact, I think it has only happened 3 times in NFL history (I may have to double check that). That is why I say you are an idiot if you think the kid will take the Skins to the promise land this year. He has not thrown a single NFL pass in a regular season game, and yet you think he is going to do a better job than a guy who has been to 3 pro bowls, took us to the playoffs last year, and just set an NFL record!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Kill yourself.

Posted by: Barno | September 26, 2006 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Barno, are you actually reading the posts where people are criticizing Brunell? Go back, to the post right above yours, written by 'Skinz', and read it again. Read it over and over and over again until it finally sinks in?

And please don't question people being a "fan". That and telling people to kill themselves is totally out of line.

Posted by: Megskin | September 26, 2006 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Megskins.

Barno,

I could respond but not so eloquently as Abraham Lincoln who said of one verbal abuser:

"It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and resolve all doubt."

Not to be memorized just realized.

Posted by: Skinz | September 26, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how many times barno needs it explained. I don't think anyone here said Campbell would lead the Skins to the Super Bowl this year. I think a majority of the folks don't believe Brunell will, either, though, so they wonder what the point is in continuing to start him.

Also, there's no Brunell hatred. I certainly don't hate Brunell.

Posted by: Colin | September 26, 2006 12:14 PM | Report abuse

With Gibbs not trying to improve through the draft and constantly overpaying past prime veterans, we are going to in a hurt locker when Gibbs leaves. Just like when he left the 1st time. With a team on the verge of becoming the Texans.

Why do we get rid of all of our draft picks? It is borderline insane. We need some fresh, young talent on our D-line and soon our O-line. I know Gibbs likes proven Vets, but how many rookies and 2nd year players come in and make an impact? We will soon start to show are age as a team and it wont look good. Skinz is absolutely right, we have no picks. Instead we go out and sign someone like Christian Fauria. Draft people and develop them. Plus if they turn out good you can wait to pay them the 40 mil contract. We need domininant D-lineman, what we have is starting to show age.

Posted by: futurelooks bleak | September 26, 2006 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Jason's editor- "a lot" is two words. Maybe you need an editor.

Posted by: Fred | September 26, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

thanks futurelooks bleak -

I think everybody calling for Campbell is still a solid Redskins fan. But if Brunell is not going to take us to a superbowl and it takes a year to learn Al Saunders system, then get Campbell in there now so he can be ahead of the curve next year. Also, look around the league. Some first and second year QB's are putting up pretty good numbers. Answer this question, why did Gibbs go after Campbell so aggressively in the draft if he didn't think he had some QB sense. Hey, Byron Leftwich replaced Brunell when he came here, and it turned out to be a great change for them. I love the personality, and the demeanor of Brunell, and that's what's hard about taking him out. He's a great guy. But sometimes you have to bite the bullet and put in the better athlete. And to those that say Campbell isn't ready now - what are you basing that on. Let's be honest - the true answer is "we don't know if Campbell is ready yet," and we won't until he plays a full NFL game.

Posted by: Max | September 26, 2006 4:03 PM | Report abuse

WE don't know if JC is ready or not. But GIBBS doesn't think he is.

Posted by: WrongDog | September 27, 2006 9:41 AM | Report abuse

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