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The Rules, They Are a-Changin'

The scribes, TV folks and bloggers who cover the Skins will gather this afternoon at Redskins Park for a meeting with NFL officials about rule changes for the upcoming season.
The annual rap session is highly informative and a must-attend function for those of us who are supposed to update you all about everything. Obviously, I'll post something as soon as the officials break it all down.
There is no media availability this morning, but I have some calls out and will have a preview of Saturday's scrimmage up on the Insider a little later. Until then, be well.

By Jason Reid  |  August 7, 2009; 8:48 AM ET
 
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the most surprising change is that the Skins' o line must suck - BY RULE!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Another fun game I am trying to figure out is anagrams for Vinny Cerrato

So far the best I have is: NY rat in cover

conspicuous no?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

From the times:

*For the third time in four practices, the offense ran 50-yard sprints after the workout.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

lmao, Al

I'm still waiting to hear something about the blurb I saw where it was Zorn maintaining the O Line was ok 'as is' before the draft.

I would have fired him right there....

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

On the Bog, stein put up a like to a video of Colt Brennan taken a ball to the face...

Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting to hear something about the blurb I saw where it was Zorn maintaining the O Line was ok 'as is' before the draft.

I would have fired him right there....

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 8:59 AM


I would have fired him right after Russ Grimm told me he wanted someone else as his offensive coordinator. But then again, I wouldn't have hired assistants before I had a head coach. I'd better stop before I rattle T_E's cage...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 7, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Another fun game I am trying to figure out is anagrams for Vinny Cerrato

So far the best I have is: NY rat in cover

conspicuous no?


It's not an anagram, but I prefer calling him Sgt. Antonelli for his stellar acting performance in Kindergarten Ninja. The man clearly deserved an Oscar.

Posted by: pgugino | August 7, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

the blog is dead, long live the blog....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The blog is merely pining for the fjords.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 7, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Turns out there is a computer program on the web that can make em up for you
Vinny Cerrato also =
Vanity Corner

A Corny Invert

Craven In Troy

Actor Nervy In
 (for those who are kindergarden ninja fans)
Avert Crony In

Cavern I No Try

Can Very In Rot

Can Very It Nor

Nave Cry It Nor


Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Falcons are scrambling for wide receivers. Come on, Vinny, put ARE on the market. Get us a bona fide right tackle.

Actually, Zorn and crew have maintained they are fine on the offensive line, which suggests they are not in the market for a right tackle. I really, really don't get how you can add so much talent to an already talented defense, and then ignore right tackle. Is the team trying to say they have enough talent already? I think they have to ask themselves if they would be comfortable with the second string guys starting in case a vet goes down. Can they say they are comfortable with the backup for left tackle? Is the team trying to say they are not willing to pay for a top shelf right tackle? Since when has money ever stopped this team? I mean, I really, really don't get it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 7, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

See - the miracle of the Internet. No longer do we have to spend hours and hours thinking up anagrams for Vinny's name - thus having more leisure time to spend with our beloved friends and families.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 7, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

To rant just a little more... I'm reading this morning that Marcus Mason is doing all of the right things - really working his butt off. Why do this to a guy who is just preseason fodder? They have no intention of keeping this guy into the regular season. Wouldn't it be smarter to use that roster spot to evaluate a player at another, not so secure spot? How about cutting Mason and signing an offensive tackle?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 7, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I would have fired him right after Russ Grimm told me he wanted someone else as his offensive coordinator. But then again, I wouldn't have hired assistants before I had a head coach. I'd better stop before I rattle T_E's cage...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 7, 2009 9:11 AM

Wait a minute - Russ Grimm panned on the guy?? Geeze... I mean I'm all for the 'hip hip hooray', but CRAP!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Stop making sense, RedHed!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Slow day so I started to fill out the roster in mind based on what has been reported from camp to date. I know it's early, but......

QB Jason Campbell,Todd Collins,Colt Brennan

RB Clinton Portis,Ledell Betts,Marcus Mason

FB Mike Sellers

OL Chris Samuels,Derrick Dockery,Casey Rabbach,Jeremey Bridges,Stephon Heyer,Will Montgomery,Randy Thomas,Chad Rinehart

TE Chris Cooley,Fred Davis,Robert Agnone

WR Santna Moss,Antwan Randel-EL,Devin Thomas,Malcolm Kelly,Marques Hagans,Marko Mitchell

FS Laron Landry, Kareem Moore

SS Chris Horton, Reed Daughty

CB DeAngelo Hall,Carlos Rogers,Fred Smoot, Justin Tryon, Kevin Barnes

LB Rocky McIntosh,London Fletcher,Brian Orakpo,HB Blades,Chris Wilson,AlfredFincher,Robert Hanson

DE Andre Carter,Phillip Daniels,Lorenzo Alexander,Jermey Jarmon

DT Albert Hanyesworth,Cornelious Griffin,Kendrick Golltson,Anthony Montgomery

ST Shawn Suisim,Hunter Smith,Etan Albright,Rock Cartwright

Last spot filled out by:

Battles: 5th RB, 9th OL, 7th WR, 8th LB, 5th DE

Posted by: TWISI | August 7, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

twis, looks good to me....I could see possibly Agnone being on the PS, and Yoder making the team because of his blocking ability....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I haven't seen - is there any competion for Swish-em or however you spell his name? I thought they were going to bring somebody in to see if they could get better?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 7, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I saw where it was Zorn maintaining the O Line was ok 'as is' before the draft.

I would have fired him right there....

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 8:59 AM

Vinny and JZ said this on Redskin NAtion, the only communist show in America.

He also indicated that Reinhart can compete for the starting RG, TWO different times! And Budes praised Reinhart as well, 2 days earlier...

So, now I am thinking RThomas ain't that healthy. So, we may see alot of him in the preseason to see what's going on out there.

Looks like RG is to be more worried about than RT....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

JohnD, I seem to remember the team having Dave Rayner in to compete.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 7, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Last spot filled out by:

Battles: 5th RB, 9th OL, 7th WR, 8th LB, 5th DE

Posted by: TWISI | August 7, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse


My vote for that one goes to one of the speedsters (Aldride, Dorsey, Mason) depending on which on can take reps at punt returner as well as kick returner.

Posted by: Devo2 | August 7, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Well, crap, if you can get a Dave Rayner, you might as well clear space for a Lombardi Trophy.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 7, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Zorn and crew have maintained they are fine on the offensive line, which suggests they are not in the market for a right tackle. I really, really don't get how you can add so much talent to an already talented defense, and then ignore right tackle. Is the team trying to say they have enough talent already? I think they have to ask themselves if they would be comfortable with the second string guys starting in case a vet goes down. Can they say they are comfortable with the backup for left tackle? Is the team trying to say they are not willing to pay for a top shelf right tackle? Since when has money ever stopped this team? I mean, I really, really don't get it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 7, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse


Maybe Danny wants to ensure that JC fails so he can draft Tim Tebow next season or install whatever his flavor-of-the-month will be at the point.

Posted by: stwasm | August 7, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Well, crap, if you can get a Dave Rayner, you might as well clear space for a Lombardi Trophy.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 7, 2009 10:07 AM

Funny, John. I almost think we'd be better off with Dave Coulier kicking...I still can't believe they didn't make a run at Vinatieri a couple years ago. They surely would have paid him more than Indy and he's one of the few kickers (if not the ONLY kicker) with the name recognition that Snyder so craves.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 7, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Where did Agnone play college ball again?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 7, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood - exactly - it seems a small thing, but during the "glory days" there was either Mosley or Lohmiller - both pretty darn accurate from inside the 40 - and those little things make a difference

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 7, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"...the Patriots acquired Derrick Burgess from the Raiders Thursday..."


What's up with the pats of Belichek and the stackage of vet players?:

D Burgess
F Taylor
S Springs
J Galloway
L Bodden
P Lenon

Sounds like somebody's making a Super Bowl run with vets.

Why does this workout for every team but the redskins?

Maybe because they think quarterback, o-line 1st and see the free agents as add-ons.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 7, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Where did Agnone play college ball again?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 7, 2009 10:15 AM

Delaware.

BG you're most likely right about Yoder, but I've read that Agnone has been getting some run with the second team. Agnone is also the best TE on the team, so if he shows he can block in the preseason games then I think he has a shot.

Posted by: TWISI | August 7, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I didn't mean the best TE I meant Agnone is the biggest TE on the team

Posted by: TWISI | August 7, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

John, they make a HUGE difference when your offense can't score touchdowns. Damn I hope Mason Crosby is a free agent next year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 7, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

moe, big chances on all those guys, who have a lengthy injury history...there's a reason they call him 'fragile fred taylor'....also, Burgess never played LB, but the pats want him to play there....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

How did we all end up posting on the wrong thred?! weird.

Anyway - SSDD. Zorn & O on short leash.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Delaware.
BG you're most likely right about Yoder, but I've read that Agnone has been getting some run with the second team. Agnone is also the best TE on the team, so if he shows he can block in the preseason games then I think he has a shot.
Posted by: TWISI | August 7, 2009 10:18 AM

Heh, thanks TWISI……

Having watched Agnone play at UD, I was pretty much thinking the same thing, but I won’t say he’s the best TE on the team. He has great hands and is big and fast; reminds me of Greg Olsen on the Bears. It really is up to his blocking ability as to whether or not he makes the team. If he does make it and can block, watch out Fred Davis…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 7, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"What's up with the pats of Belichek and the stackage of vet players?:
D Burgess
F Taylor
S Springs
J Galloway
L Bodden
P Lenon
Sounds like somebody's making a Super Bowl run with vets.Why does this workout for every team but the redskins?
Maybe because they think quarterback, o-line 1st and see the free agents as add-ons.Posted by: MistaMoe"

Or they figure time's running out on this iteration of the Pats and they need to pull out the stops to get another run at the Super Bowl. Or Belichick figures half of his draft choices are going to wash out so he better stockpile some replacements. Or after OTA's they've come to the conclusion they're not as good as they were two seasons ago, and need to add some players.

All possibilities...once you strip off the aura, Belichik is just a really good FB coach struggling to win some games.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

how big is he twis?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

From Eagles Camp:

"Lugging around veterans’ shoulder pads off the field, newcomer Jeremy Maclin flashed veteran savvy on it in the morning session.

Maclin made the play of the day during a one-on-one drill against Samuel. The first-round draft choice broke an arm bar within five yards and slammed on the brakes, then made a left turn toward the sideline to make a play on a Kevin Kolb pass.

On his way back to the sideline, all Samuel could do was giggle about Maclin getting the better of him.
"

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Actually, Zorn and crew have maintained they are fine on the offensive line, which suggests they are not in the market for a right tackle. I really, really don't get how you can add so much talent to an already talented defense, and then ignore right tackle. Is the team trying to say they have enough talent already? I think they have to ask themselves if they would be comfortable with the second string guys starting in case a vet goes down. Can they say they are comfortable with the backup for left tackle? Is the team trying to say they are not willing to pay for a top shelf right tackle? Since when has money ever stopped this team? I mean, I really, really don't get it.posted by redskinhead"

Might could be they're telling the truth. And they just disagree with the posters on this blog.

No, it's not possible...

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

who gives a tinkers hoop de doo about the new rules. come on reid, tell us something interesting and relevant? asking too much? well maybe you can call jlc for a scoop. how about telling us that these qb drills are pop warner stuff and do not belong in an nfl camp. how about telling us that if zorn leaves jc alone during a game instead of being in his face between every offensive series, then jc will perform. again, he's treating jc as though he were a pop warner qb. that's what you report, not some idiotic who gives a tinkers hoop de doo nfl rule.

Posted by: getitritegov | August 7, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

BG

Redskins.com has him listed as 6-6 260lb

Posted by: TWISI | August 7, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

thanks, bigger cat, have him put on 60 pounds, and make him a rt...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Fletcher was skipping OTAs to voice displeasure in his contract? Elfin breakin new news?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/07/fletcher-scales-back-as-redskins-gear-up/

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

How PO'ed are 49ers fans right now? Having your 1st rd pick claim he's ready to hold out all year and re-enter the draft? That's gott suck. I think he's hurting himself if he does that....Wasn't he only a soph last year? He certainly won't get drafted as high in 2010 as he was 2009 with a year out of football and an obvious "me" attitude...much less monry to be had that way....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 7, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

That guy is going to single handedly force the rookie pay scale.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, dlhaze. He was supposed to go top 5 this year and went 10th. So it stands to reason, if you dropped in this year's draft as the hot WR prospect, you'll slide even worse next year when you've been out of the game a year. He'll end up with more money and a better situation by taking what the Niners give him.

If I'm the Niners, I trade the guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 7, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Crabtree has to be a moron, If you sit out a year who the heck is going to draft him next year. If you dont sign as a 10th pick who in their right mind would sign him in the 1st round at all next year.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 7, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Fletcher is the exact kind of veteran that should be excused from OTAs and other bull puckey like that. It will help, not hurt his season to have stayed a way a bit and recharged both his mind and his body.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 7, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

There should be a rookie pay scale, why on earth would you want to pay a guy more money than a proven guy. This never made sense to me. to pay a guy for potential rather than pay a proven guy with tread left on the tires.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 7, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The guy I really don't understand holding out is Andre Smith. I mean this guy really has been making really poor choices since he left Alabama.

Posted by: TWISI | August 7, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Here is my bet. If Crabtree does not sign a contract. I am willing to bet he does not get drafted at all next year. At best he becomes a day 2 draft.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

cl, agreed on Fletch, he's one cat you don't have to worry about, he knows the system, wont show up out of shape/fat/sloppy....that guy could show up a week before the first game, and he's still get it done...I wouldn't have him playing in a single pre-season game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It's not an anagram, but I prefer calling him Sgt. Antonelli for his stellar acting performance in Kindergarten Ninja. The man clearly deserved an Oscar.

Posted by: pgugino | August 7, 2009 9:11 AM

Not an Oscar, but maybe an Ernie or a Bert.

I think Yoder's chances of sticking are better than Sellers. Don't get me wrong; I love Sellers, but the combination of his drops when thrown to + the concussion (where dcsween feared death) + drafting a FB suggest to me that Sellers is going to be this season's hardest cut for the fans to cope with ...

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

4th, you gotta put down the Conspiracy-Ade. No way do I get ANYTHING like Fletcher being unhappy with his contract. The guy has to be one of the highest paid in the league for a guy of his age (though I do sense that it was the chance to work with Grilliams that lured him here, rather than the money ... that and the likelihood that Buffalo was never going to make it to the post-season in his lifetime).

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

dc, disagree, sellers just went to the pro-bowl, and they have no proven person to replace him with....until someone steps up at the fb spot, he'll make it....he's also on most of the special teams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Sween, I think your thinking Re: Sellers is sound...next year...I don't see any way with our o-line they can get rid of a proven lead blocker like Sellers this season.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 7, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

cL - You missed the point about the contract.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

They won’t cut Sellars…..blocking fullbacks are integral to the WCO, and he is a beast of a blocker who is getting the Vet min…..also the guy is coming off a pro-bowl year (for what that’s worth). No way does he not make this team. He will be a starter come 9/13……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 7, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

No actually 4th you did:

"I'm not unhappy with my contract," Fletcher maintained. "I do all right financially. I'm making decent money."

In any event, the former undrafted rookie wasn't a leader this offseason.

"The Redskins were aware that I wasn't going to be here," he said. "That bone bruise that I had, that's an injury that takes some people a year to 18 months to fully heal. I needed some time to really allow my body to heal. I wasn't able to do a lot of running early in the offseason. I didn't feel right until maybe June."

Zorn said it was contract related. I don't even think Zorn is privy to those conversations. Unless its hurling stuff at QBs, Zorn is outside of his paygrade.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 7, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Sweeny - Elfin said Zorn said Fletcher didn't show up because of his contract. First I've heard, but Elfin is credible. I was just the messenger.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

BGreg, we'll see. Its just a bad vibe I'm getting. That choice of Eddie Williams rather than an offensive lineman made me scratch my head. He's listed as a TE, but described as an H-back ("looks like a fullback and plays like a wide receiver"). With Fred Davis already the third TE, and Yoder's size and invisibility (including a TD in each of the past two seasons), it made me wonder why the Skins would draft a guy to be a 4th TE. Between Yoder and Sellers (plus this new Robbie Agnone solidness), something's gotta give. Unlike Fletcher, Sellers HAS expressed displeasure with his current contract (presumably based on the Pro Bowl appearance). Apart from my feelings about the Popularity Bowl (paid post season Hawaiian vacation for celebrity NFLers), what the Skins did last year (voting early and often through the team's website) further diminished the significance of Seller's Pro Bowl credential. [If he was All-Pro last year, that would be a different story.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

4th are you talking about the article you posted, b/c nowhere does Elfin opine it was about money. Infact its not even the thrust/subject/headline of the story. He does quote Zorn as saying it but runs a long quote refuting that by Fletcher as well. Elfin writes this additionally:

"Coach Jim Zorn said his co-captain's absence was about money, which the 34-year-old vehemently denied."

look up "vehemently"

Posted by: chrislarry | August 7, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

ChrisToPprhEr LarRy - Zorn's CoachSpeak is lacking and he let's stuff out the bag when he shouldn't sometimes. He has a track record, like Portis....

But. I'll let it slide cuz at the end of the day, it's possibly a no issue, UNLESS there is a CBA agreement and a salary cap next year. His cap # hits $7+Mil next year...

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Elfin said Zorn said Fletcher didn't show up because of his contract. First I've heard, but Elfin is credible.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 11:17 AM

I missed that the first time. Not sure what to make of it. Zorn didn't even say "contract" ... he said "money." [It would be one thing if Fletcher wanted to dance with the stars or not have to show up to the Park to work out, but money is money.] Nothing Fletcher has ever said (nor his life story) would ever give me any reason to doubt his candor or sincerity. I accept Fletcher's denial. I just don't know what to make of Zorn's statement about money ... and why he would say something like that and why he would say it now.

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

From the times:

*For the third time in four practices, the offense ran 50-yard sprints after the workout.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 8:57 AM

BeantownGreg1, this is seriously huge. Huger than a lot might imagine. Running those 50-yard sprints will strengthen that group like nothing else.

It will sharpen the intangibles... focus, concentration, awareness, toughness, just a whole slew of stuff.

Football practive is grueling tough, but when you have a group doing and being asked to do more to be better, thats a very good thing.

The offense running 50-yard sprints after practice because they know they have to be better than last year just might make them a bit more efficient, like in around 25 points a game.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 7, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Sellers getting cut? What? A pro-bowl starter, base-formation player that's crucial to the running game, kickoff return game, and return coverage unit, while playing for the veteran minimum, is not getting cut. Sween, I have no idea where you pulled that one, but there is zero value for the Redskins in doing that.

Posted by: psps23 | August 7, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn's CoachSpeak is lacking and he let's stuff out the bag when he shouldn't sometimes. He has a track record, like Portis...."

I agree on the first part, but diverge on the second. I just don't think Zorn knows what he is talking about enough to let stuff come out. Zorn is a dim bulb....sorry but I am not a fan. But if we win he can stay the coach....but I just will never dig him.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 7, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Maybe its about Fletcher's response after being approached about restructuring his deal ... I'd buy that. It would be "about money." Another thing is COULD be might be something like the Springs story. Springs didn't want a new contract; he wanted to keep his old one ... the one that would pay him what he negotiated for ... that the team wanted to trim down by a couple, few $M. That was "about money."

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"That guy is going to single handedly force the rookie pay scale.Posted by: alex35332"

Blame Oakland. Al Davis paid too much for Heyward-Bey.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

But, not that I was trying to make a big deal out of it. Just shooting the breeze on a Friday....(Don't forget his agent IS Rosenhaus, though)....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"That guy is going to single handedly force the rookie pay scale."

And there should be one.

There should also be a rookie blogga payscale.

Some of y'all cats deserve to be paid nothing.

The rest of y'all deserves even less.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 7, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

True Sween. Whose the highest paid 4-3 Mike LB in the league and how much? Urlacher?

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 7, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Blame Oakland. Al Davis paid too much for Heyward-Bey.


Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 11:26 AM


R U Serious?

What does that have to do with Crabtree signing a contract?

If he is really that good you sign your contract and play and hit the bank on your second contract because you have at least 2-3 pro bowls

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 7, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

psps, its not like The Owner hasn't dog housed players in the past for even THINKING about asking for a new contract. I seriously thought Rock Cartwright was on his way out because of that. Same deal with Evans ... Skins said he wanted more money. Evans said the Skins never even made an offer.

I'm not saying moving on from Sellers would be even close to a good idea. I'm saying I've gotten a bad vibe about what I think the Front Office might do (in spite of what you or I think would be in the best interests of the team). What would happen if they moved on without Sellers is that they would say it was a "business decision" and that "football is a business." I don't think anyone would ever call it a "football decision."

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I like Zorn's hoo-rah attitude. And I do enjoy the quirky stories. But those alone do not make a good coarch.

He's in over his head a bit. I can cut him some slack. One season more should do it... lol. This is the NFL, not on-the-job training.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Vick prove that cousins should be kept faaaaaar away from your pro career?? Crabtree is doing everything wrong. Idiot.
Why F this up when you stand to become a millionaire with potential for more?

straight tard.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 7, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Al Davis paid too much for Heyward-Bey.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 11:26 AM

He also drafted too high for Heyward-Bey. He had to be thinking that, if he was going to have to negotiate for Crabtree-level prices, he might as well draft someone who would sign and not nickel and dime on it.

4th, my guess would be Urlacher, Ray Ray, or Merriman, but I don't keep up as much on the dollar signs as you. [I'm not really a "complete" amateur GM b/c of that failing of mine.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, a misunderestimate of Sellers falls right in line with a complete misunderestimation of the O Line's job...

And to reiterate, the quote I saw RE Zorn taking a pass on upgrading the O Line was from BEFORE the draft.

If that epic fail falls on his shoulders, he probably shouldn't have even had THIS season to work with... too late now...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Evans said the Skins never even made an offer

And it was the right thing to do.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

scrimmage preview:

someone pulls a hammy then a bunch of cry babies cry about it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 7, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Link to Skins.com article on what's happening at other camps due to unexpected injuries...

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/For_Redskins__O_Line_Issues_Are_Short_Term_45793.jsp

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

straight tard.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 7, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse


I would say he is even going full retard.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

scrimmage preview: con't

colt brennan and marcus mason WOW people in SCRUB time and a bunch of losers think we should cut JC and Portis.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 7, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

hahaha...thats right....they'll be screaming to trade Portis for a 1st...good stuff pab...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

... then a bunch of cry babies cry about it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 7, 2009 11:38 AM

Up here, its one of the things we do best. Matter of some pride really. Its actually a job qualification to post up here.

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"R U Serious?What does that have to do with Crabtree signing a contract?
If he is really that good you sign your contract and play and hit the bank on your second contract because you have at least 2-3 pro bowlsPosted by: GreatOne1"

Not complicated: Heyward-Bey was drafted three spots ahead of Crabtree, the first WR taken. The Raiders' unusually generous deal elevated the market rate for Crabtree -- at least in the eyes of the receiver and his agent.


Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

BTW. that's why players say they don't mind when some other player gets a record-setting contract -- it raises the scale for everybody.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I was waiting for that Straight 'Tard line..

Here's some NOT so Straight 'Tard

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Vick prove that cousins should be kept faaaaaar away from your pro career?? Crabtree is doing everything wrong. Idiot.
Why F this up when you stand to become a millionaire with potential for more?

straight tard.

Posted by: chrislarry

Faulk said on nfl network that a player will have leverage in negotiations twice in his career IF he's lucky. That gave me a new perspective, but it is totally lame for rooks to have so much power

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 7, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

sween, both Cartwright and Evans were allowed to leave via FA (Cartwright ended up coming back). They were not cut. The Skins let both play out their contracts before the next phase. Same with Montgomery and Golston. The Sellers situation would only parallel them if he had already finished his contract and wanted more than the Skins were willing to pay.

Posted by: psps23 | August 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Crabtree's cousin does not represent him. He's represented by Eugene Parker, who hasn't said a word publicly about Crabtree's intentions.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 7, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 7, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

the rule changes are:

the bigger markets get all the calls over the smaller markets, especially the cowboys, giants, and eagles over the skins

for example: let's say eagle desean jackson has a brilliant punt return for a TD against the Skins, do we want to call the block in the back? no way. "But what if we throw the flag by reflex?" Excellent question, you call it on the kicking team's player with the same number!

applause, applause.

rule change from this moment on redskins fans will STROKE desean jackson lovingly and with envy.

oh wait these are the old rules, i wanna cry too

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 7, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

""R U Serious?What does that have to do with Crabtree signing a contract?
If he is really that good you sign your contract and play and hit the bank on your second contract because you have at least 2-3 pro bowlsPosted by: GreatOne1"

Last comment on this not so great post: the vets are ticked because the current system favors high draftees. From a selfish standpoint, you need to get your money up front as a rook, rather than wait and hope for later stardom.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

the rule changes are:

the bigger markets get all the calls over the smaller markets, especially the cowboys, giants, and eagles over the skins

for example: let's say eagle desean jackson has a brilliant punt return for a TD against the Skins, do we want to call the block in the back? no way. "But what if we throw the flag by reflex?" Excellent question, you call it on the kicking team's player with the same number!

applause, applause.

rule change from this moment on redskins fans will STROKE desean jackson lovingly and with envy.

oh wait these are the old rules, i wanna cry too

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 7, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

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