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What will happen in Philly this week?

By Cindy Boren  |  November 24, 2009; 10:30 AM ET
 
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Dang, you drank your own food? That musta been some good herbals!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 24, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I drink my dinner alot.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 24, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

What will happen in Philly this week?

...WHO GIVES A RAT'S BACK?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | November 24, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4684326

Ha!! Clausen got popped in the eye by a fan.

Where does Vinny eat, I got something for him.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 24, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse


Like Vinny has the stones to show his mug in public.

Can you imagine popping him in one of those bug-eyes? It would probably explode like a grape...

Posted by: p1funk | November 24, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Anyone see that video of Nickelback getting stoned by an audience in Portugal? That was frikin awesome! I hate that band! I think Im part portugeuse.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 24, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 24, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Guess the D is supposed to hold the opponent to 3 points or less.

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Secondary coach Jerry Gray was quoted as saying that if his defense holds the Cowboys to seven points and the Redskins still lose, "then something's wrong."

The implication seemed clear: What's "wrong" with the Redskins is their offense, and the defense might be getting just a tad fed up. In the NFL, one side of the ball clearly playing better than the other has been known to cause friction in losing locker rooms.

But Redskins coach Jim Zorn on Monday denied there's a rift, and Fletcher took the diplomatic route.

"If you really think about it, the offense did enough for us to win the game," the defensive co-captain told reporters. "We just needed to not allow them to get that touchdown at the end."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/zorn-no-rift-between-redskins-offense-defense/

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

curious to see the Times piece they do detailing the number of plays each player was involved in......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 10:35 AM

3 at the most....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

By Rich Tandler
Redskins Correspondent
CSNwashington.com

In difficult and desperate cases, the boldest counsels are the safest.
--Titus Livius, Roman historian, circa 25 B. C.

I couldn’t risk getting sacked, I couldn’t risk completing the ball inbounds.
--Jim Zorn, Redskins coach, November 23, 2009

When a coach’s job is one the line, he can do one of two things. He can go in with the mindset that he has nothing to lose, pull out all of the stops and employ an aggressive strategy. Whenever there is a reasonable choice between playing it safe and taking a chance, go for the gusto. If this coach has to go down, he will go down fighting.

The other thing he can do is be Jim Zorn.

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing/?blockID=94953&feedID=2993

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

curz, if JZ were a good coach, he'd come out and say that the offense isn't good enough, and they're going to do everything in his and sherm's power to make sure that things change and then institute those changes......but, thats probably too simple...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

he's to arrogant to say that. it's the execution.

also from the above article:

A sack would have made the time situation much dicier but if after a year and a half with your quarterback you can’t have confidence that he won’t take a sack when he can’t take a sack, well, you’re not much of a quarterbacks coach.

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“If Suisham makes that field goal we're up by nine, it's a whole different ballgame,” said Phillip Daniels. “But he's been perfect all year. This team just, we're snake-bitten right now. Things just aren't falling our way but hopefully things will turn around.”

Things are not falling the Redskins’ way because they don’t fall your way when you are timid in your approach. You make your own breaks.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Courz.....That was funny...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

So you're an NFL general manager with old backs and a 'superstar' who's oft injured and doesn't practice.

Do you burn your pick on a potential star running back knowing you can draft for need later?

Yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe


That's if the "you" in question is one Vincent Cerrato. When the blocking worked against Denver, two journeymen backs looked outstanding for the Redskins.

Build a powerful line and not only will your running back situation improve, but also your passing game and your time of possession.

Of course you will find yourself forced to pick lower in the draft, so that's a negative.

Posted by: TheCork | November 23, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

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Cork has it right here. You don't need to draft a RB early - in fact, it is silly to do so unless the RB in question is a franchise caliber RB, and that is not so easy to tell.

If your O-line is superior, Joe Blow from Nowhere State can run for 1300 behind it.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

yup, ol, with the first 2 picks, or its lather rinse repeat...LT, then RT...heyer and Levi as the backups...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Here's some more damning piece of writing from the article you posted:

If it was a good idea to leave the offense in on third and six at the 25, why wasn’t it a good idea to leave them on the field on third and one at the 20?

Sadly, when give time to think about it, Zorn got scared. And that’s the way he coached.

(And a note to Danny Smith: If you ever find yourself in another interminable replay delay with your field goal team on the field, get your kicker back over to the sideline. Send him over to the nets to take a few more warmups, get a drink of Gatorade, chew on sunflower seeds, or whatever he had done just prior to his 13 previous kicks this season. Kickers are creatures of habit and routine and standing on the field for eight minutes isn’t business as usual.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

...you know Bean...I'm not so sure I even want Heyer at all. Sometimes when you are trying to let go of a dark past you need to "exorcise the demons".

Heyer is one of those demons I'd really like to see exorcised.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

heyer is low money, and as a backup, which is what he's more suited for....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Here's what will happen in philly. The game will be a back and forth game and the Eagles will be up 17-10 with one play left from the 1 yard line.
jim zorn will call in the play and it will be a doulbe WR reverse who then hands off to the Rb which will then throw to the opposite side of the endzone where JC will catch the ball. and all of this will be done in a 4WR set

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 24, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

RAT'S BACK!!!

WHO GIVES ONE???

Posted by: Sports_Guru | November 24, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

You keep Heyer. Hopefully its for a backup spot. But you cant cast off a dude who has this much game experience. He could prove a valuable back up. Levi looks like hes def worth keeping and starting. Keep guys in the mix along with drafting OL high and often.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 24, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The other thing he can do is be Jim Zorn.

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing/?blockID=94953&feedID=2993

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for this post. It seemed to me that JZ fingerprints were all over the offensive play calling this past game. I guess JZ is saying F U to Vinny.

Posted by: TWISI | November 24, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Realness1 | November 24, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Nickelback blows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7F3O6WYfHQ

Posted by: Realness1 | November 24, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Yes they do. Donkey schlong through a straw.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 24, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Yes they do. Donkey schlong through a straw.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz


Wouldn't they suck rather than blow?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 24, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Bean -

I think you changed the argument. I was talking about Rhino not having the mental toughness or athletic ability to warrant more time on the team. In light of that, I have not heard your reasons for what he has done to impress you so much. I'm curious.

Also, I am assuming that most of the coaching staff is gone at the end of the year. And I do trust Buges to develop talent, but not every guy who played O line in college and gets drafted is destined to make it in the NFL. I think we can do a whole lot better than Rhino and should move on towards that goal.

and P1funk

Sorry if it seemed I was attacking you, I was reacting to the thinking that it's ok to play to lose, which I will never accept. I understand your frustration, but firing Vinnie won't change any of that until Snyder takes a back seat too - which is a much bigger discussion, so here we are.

And BTW, I do VERY MUCH think Vinnie needs to go, and we need a strong team Prez to sit on Snyder and let the new GM do his job - which starts with finding a new coach, and then goes to building a Dominant football team - starting with the O Line.

Either way, the negatives of quiting don't out weigh the positives IMO.

Just saying.

Posted by: edvar | November 24, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's what CHFF says in last weeks power ranking, which just goes to show you can lie with statistics.

25. WASHINGTON (3-6). Last week: 27-17 win vs. Denver. The Redskins average 5.1 yards per play, yet they rank 28th in scoring (15.6 PPG). To put the 5.1 YPP number in perspective, it’s better than the Super Bowl champions in 2008 (Steelers), 2007 (Giants), 2003 (Patriots) 2002 (Bucs), 2001 (Patriots) and 2000 (Ravens)

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 24, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

ed, he's started 3 games, and you're ready to dump him. this is if nothing else a complete and total knee jerk reaction.

Again, I trust NOTHING that JZ says or does at this point regarding any player on this team, and I'm not sure how anyone can come to ANY conclusion other than wait and see.

We were told by JZ that Fred Davis struggled to learn the playbook, but then when given the chance, he seemed to know it pretty well, didn't he. Rhino started 2 games, then hurt his shoulder, then started 1 more game, and you feel like you have a good idea of what he can do?? HOW??

JZ+VC=FAIL.

It took Cooley getting injured for JZ to finally give Davis some time. It took Portis getting injured for JZ to finally give Rock/Betts some time.

This is a guy who just simply does not understand how to run a football team. All he knows is handoff to portis, throw to cooley or moss.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

And I do trust Buges to develop talent, but not every guy who played O line in college and gets drafted is destined to make it in the NFL. I think we can do a whole lot better than Rhino and should move on towards that goal.

Posted by: edvar | November 24, 2009 11:40

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Hard to tell on Rhino what we have, but I remember that Buges had to convince Zorn to give the kid another try. Not sure what to make of that other than Zorn thinks he knows everything and gets in the way of his coaches.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Bean - I thought I already made my case.

1. He hasn't shown any mental toughness, rather, the opposite.

2. He has not been durable.

3. He has not shown the athleticism to pull and lead around the edge.

4. He has not been able to convincingly beat out the guys ahead of him, even though they themselves have performed poorly. Consider how BADLY our O line played the last half of last year and this year, and how Thomas was injured for most of that period. Rhino was inactive and unable to crack the starting line-up for most of it.

Again, what has he done to impress you, given his opportunities? And stop blaming the coaches that he sucks. Buges is his coach - is he the problem?

5. I think we should set our sights higher.

Posted by: edvar | November 24, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

1. Mental toughness, this according to who?? Was it the coach's?? Really? The same coach's who said FDavis didn't know the playbook?? Or was it different coach's??

2. He got hurt this year, so suddenly he's not durable. Right. Check.

3. According to you, however in the vast 3 game stretch you're basing this on, maybe he can learn to do this. I mean, how many plays are you basing this one where he didn't pull and get around the edge??

4. Again, this is according to the crack pot staff of coach's they have assembled.

I'm not saying he's great, or that he sucks, what I'm saying is that we DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE HAVE. This coaching staff, from Zorn down to BUGES just leaves something to be desired. What I am saying is that cutting him NOW, before we actually KNOW what we have is just stupid, and counter productive.

You're basing a lot of what you think on Jim Zorn. Really?? Jim Zorn, the same guy who after putting 6 points up on the Chiefs claims he's a good play caller??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

ed, this is the same logic as those who wanted to cut tryon/kelly last year. tryon got roasted in the preseason of his rookie year, and a lot of guys wanted him gone, that he was too small etc...but that would have been stupid/premature, because they kept him, and because he worked at it, he's proving to be servicable...and who knows he could even IMPROVE...crazy I know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

WHAT IF? Zorn has been told by Vinny and Danny that they gave him a play off caliber team. All he had to do was coach up the quarterback and NOT mess up the rest of the team. Explains what we have witnessed the last year and half! FIRE VINNY! My opinion on Zorn is still out.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | November 24, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Bean/VA

I know it is the smart thing to keep Heyer...I just hold to many memories of his whiffing on a critical sack, or of a false start at a critical time...he just seems to be one of those guys that symbolizes the losing that has been going on here for years.

So yeah, as a GM you keep him for a backup, and count yourself lucky you have a guy that has played both RT and LT with a fair amount of starts under his belt.

As a fan, if for some reason he didn't stay or was let go, you wouldn't see me complain, though. Not a bit.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

shaun, cheap, and as a backup, hopefully his impact will be minimized.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

F Vinny! then fire him.

hire Scott Pioli for whatever amount it takes......that's it, he'll fix the rest.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Where's the beef?

R1 Russell Okung
R2 Trent Williams
R4 John Jerry
R5 Legarret Blount
R7 Lemarcus Coker

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 24, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Zorn: "These guys who are coming on have been biding their time, waiting for their chance..."

and, I should add "..wondering what they have to do to get some reps."
Having now seen how Zorn operates, I've lost a lot of confidence in my theory that he chooses players that give him the best chance to win.

Posted by: daggar | November 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

shaun, cheap, and as a backup, hopefully his impact will be minimized.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse
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WARNING: DOOM AND GLOOM POST

Bean,

On this team, he'll be out there by week 4, since all lineman on the Redskins inevitably have some clown fall on the back of their leg.

END DOOM AND GLOOM POST

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The discussion up here the last year and a half is that the teams problems stem from the OL and the lack of talent there. And I am sure there is some validity to that.

But from what I have seen of Zorn's play book, play calling, game planning and coaching (read the regression that JC seems to be going through) I would propose that Zorn's blocking scheme has as much to do with the OL problems as much as anything. Even when Samuels and Thomas were playing, the OL did not look any better than it did on Sunday.

Until Zorn is fired and a NFL quality coach is hired I find it hard to state what any player on this team has or does not have.

It has taken injuries to several positions to show that most of our young players actually can play. DT returning KOs is the latest example.

I would say fire Vinny and Zorn before any decisions are made on who to cut.

But F them both first.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

2010 OL

LT: Draft (Okung, Williams, etc. We all know the list)2nd Team: Levi Jones (although he sat out because he didn't want to be a back up)

LG: Dockery. 2nd Team: Edwin Williams, Montgomery

C: Rabach. 2nd Team: FA/Draft, Montgomery

RG: Draft(Render, Austin) 2nd Team: Rhino, Montgomery

RT: Levi Jones/FA/Draft 2nd Team: Heyer

2010 Draft with current draft position
1st LT
2nd OG/RT
4th OL/RB/MLB/FS
5th OL/RB/MLB/FS/OLB
6th OL/RB/MLB/FS/OLB
7th OL/RB/MLB/FS/OLB

Definitely not an exciting draft that "sells jerseys" but is clearly what this team needs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 24, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

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