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What's Happening in Dallas...and Vegas

Out of Dallas comes the Romo update (aka Pinkie-gate). He was on the practice field yesterday for the first time since Oct. 16, is working out with a new splint on the finger and says he'd be surprised if he doesn't play Nov. 16 at FedEx.

In his absence, a certain wide receiver is on pace for his least productive full season since 1999 and tells the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, "I can't throw and catch the ball myself."

Think the Cowboys can pull out of their tailspin?

Meanwhile, Steinberg wrote yesterday that Vegas is still luvin' the Skins.


By Cindy Boren  |  November 6, 2008; 10:46 AM ET
 
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Of course unis don't change how they play, but I'd like to see them try white jerseys with black pants (burgundy and yellow stripe on the side).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 6, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Hate to beat a dead horse, but...

Biggest disappointment: Sure, Jason Taylor was expected to contribute more than he has, but he has been hurt. Far more was expected from the team’s three second-round picks — WRs Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly and TE Fred Davis — than they have contributed to date. Combined, they have caught seven passes for 61 yards and zero touchdowns in an offense that could use their talents. Thomas and Davis are playing more, but they haven’t had much impact.

-Pro Football Weekly

Posted by: ga8085 | November 6, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 6, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

While we're at it, I'd like to see them wear clown shoes and bikini tops. And then I'd like them to wear fedoras on their heads. And deliver pizzas during half time.

Posted by: RickyRage | November 6, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I LOVE the Dallas Star-Telegram headline -

Dallas Cowboys' Terrell Owens says,

'I can' throw and catch the ball myself'


Wow. What talent!

Posted by: cmecyclist | November 6, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I think that JZ needs to get both Thomas and Davis more involved. Period. One pass a week isn't going to create the trust that JC needs in these guys. They're working hard in practice, he just needs to get them the ball more, and see what they can do.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 6, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I agree, it's time to start pushing these guys, I don't have a problem with the being uninvolved this first half of the season, but it's time!

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I'll trust Zorn with making the decisions about who gets the ball and he clearly doesn't trust them. If he felt they were capable then they would be out there more.

Posted by: feyd991 | November 6, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

My guess -- and if I were a Sourcerer I'd ask those who know about it -- is that Sleepy was unused against the Steelers because of the more exotic nature of the blitzes... they've been working him in, but more as an offensive threat than a blocker.

You can also read the tea leaves too closely, but it seems to me that the decision to keep Kelly off of IR is an indication that they something in him, "if only they could get him healthy".

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I trust Z as well, but I think at some point in time the kid gloves come off, and for the betterment of the team. Throw it to Thomas/Davis, get them involved, make the other team account for these guys, and it makes Moss/Cools/ARE that much more effective.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 6, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 6, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

daggar and Greg, I agree with both of you completely.

I do have faith in Zorn, but I do wonder if he allowed himself to get into a certain mindset about the Thomas and Davis.

And it's been very clear that Zorn has very high hopes of what Kelly can do if he's healthy. And from what I saw in camp, I agree, I really thought he had a shot at taking ARE's spot as the number 2 before he pulled the hammy, and then the knee flared up.

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I love how TO complains about opportunities.

It seems like he leaves a lot of balls on the field.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | November 6, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Forcing plays to rookies is a knee jerk reaction to a bad loss on Monday night. If that is how they are going to start calling games, you can say goodbye to the minimal amount of turnovers we have been having on offense for the first half of the season. These guys are either not good enough yet or don't know what they are doing.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 6, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg,

I assure you, I have no "agenda" other than to see my Skins play well. As far as the "moronic" portion of your comment, I fail to see any evidence of you being a capable judge.

You cannot take a bite from both sides of the logic apple. Either you argue they are too beat up to practice or they are in good enough shape to practice. I argue the latter. Of the 4 teams with a bye this week 3 are practicing. The Redskins choose not to practice, yet they are the least banged up of the 4.

Posted by: captjim | November 6, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Didn't suggest forcing plays to rookies. I"m saying that Thomas caught 3 passes on Monday, but they didn't happen until there was under 8 minutes left in the game. Get him the ball more often during the game, and see what he can do. Make the other team account for Thomas on every play.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 6, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins choose not to practice, yet they are the least banged up of the 4.

Samuels
Moss
Portis

Argueably the 3 most important people on the team are currently injured.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 6, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Did JZ actually say that Thomas ran the wrong routes on Monday? If so, why would you force plays to him when he doesn't know where he's supposed to be. It's obvious Zorn is trying, but the players need some remedial instruction, or a miracle doctor in the case of Kelly.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 6, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I love how TO complains about opportunities.

It seems like he leaves a lot of balls on the field.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | November 6, 2008 12:09 PM |

He left them both on the field whenever he saw the Reaper coming. And the opposite of 'clinchpoop'...yeah, he did that too.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 6, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Somebody call a miracle doctor?

Paging Dr. James Andrews... paging Dr. James Andrews...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

(oh, right, even the miracle doc hasn't been able to cure the snakebitten Malcolm Kelly...)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Thomas was on the field a lot on Monday and has been on the field a decent amount this season. As best as I can tell, he's not getting the ball because he isn't open.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Did JZ actually say that Thomas ran the wrong routes on Monday?

Not that I recall, I could be wrong, but I think it was more JLA saying that the 2nd interception was the result of Thomas running the wrong route, and I'm not sure if it was clarified one way or another.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 6, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys are in undeniably worse shape than us - physically and mentally. Yet they practice this week. And their press is after them about it. So are their fans.

Again, it's not just 1 bad game Monday night. We have played 3 bad games in a row.

As far as "poor me" - what do you call the constant drone from the players, media and fans about:

1. Injuries
2. Opposing fans at our stadium
3. Poor draft
4. Complaints about play calling

I could go on, but you get the point.

I crave for Coach Z to say:

"The coaching staff and the players have not been getting our jobs done the past 3 weeks. We all need to step it up and bring our game up to a more competitive level. We will be working as hard as possible to accomplish this over the next 13 days"...AND (like Nike says) JUST DO IT.

Instead, we get "we're going to Disneyworld"...

Posted by: captjim | November 6, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Greg, somebody up here said it was actually Thrash who cut his route short on that pick (and then made the tackle), but I haven't seen a replay of it to confirm or deny...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

JLC and/or Cindy

How about assigning one of your many interns to go back thru recent history and see how many times injured or suspended key players have returned JUST IN TIME to play against the skins.

Anecdotally, it seems like every time. Pittsburgh was a particularly bad with Santonio Holmes, Willie Parker and I think, Casey Hampton returning and making an impact.


Posted by: TheCork | November 6, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Apparently some of the other NFL teams do NOT have byes this weekend. Weird, I know.

Anyway, who wants to make some predictions? These are what I think will be the most interesting (to wit, most likely to be competitive) games this weekend involving our fellow NFC contenders:

Saints (4-4) at Falcons (5-3)
Titans (8-0) at Bears (5-3)
Packers (4-4) at Vikings (4-4)
Giants (7-1) at Eagles (5-3)

Your picks?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Saints, Titans, Vikings, Eagles

Posted by: captjim | November 6, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Greg, somebody up here said it was actually Thrash who cut his route short on that pick (and then made the tackle), but I haven't seen a replay of it to confirm or deny...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 12:41 PM

Zorny said it was Devin Thomas who broke off..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 6, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

captjim- Sounds like the players are more interested in just resting their various ouchies and healing up for the stretch run (full disclosure- I'm basing this on actual quotes from players) than "going to Disneyworld". Works for me...football isn't blogging. Although this carpal tunnel thingy....

Also sounds like the coaches are going to be working hard through the break (more full disclosure- Zorn said so) to fix what they think needs fixin'. Also works for me.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 6, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Instead, we get "we're going to Disneyworld"...

Posted by: captjim | November 6, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse
By all accounts not a single player is going on some cool vacation, they are all resting and refreshing. As I said before when you were making this claim, practice doesn't make perfect, it makes habit, if this team is worn out, they won't practice well, which means they won't play well. They have a longer start to the season than ANY OTHER CLUB IN THE NFL, they deserve a break.

They'll come back ready to go.

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Falcons, Bears, Vikings, Eagles - all these boys get some home cooking

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 6, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

capt.

You are 100% wrong, so let me get this straight Moss hamstring, Portis is banged up all over his body and I forget what is wrong with Samuels.

Lets practice them everday for the next 13 days because they played 3 bad games so you say, (they won two of them which is all that matters by the way), so that they can stay banged up and come out less then 100% against the Girls, is that what you are saying?

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 6, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Saints (4-4) at Falcons (5-3)
Titans (8-0) at Bears (5-3)
Packers (4-4) at Vikings (4-4)
Giants (7-1) at Eagles (5-3)

Your picks?

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Saints because they help out in the wild card race.

Titans for the same reason.

Packers/Vikings no preference as either winning helps out for wild card race.

Giants can help keep us ahead of the iggles for the W/C race and of the NFCE teams, they have the hardest schedule, so long shot of us still catching them.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

**Oztips post***

FYI- Speaking of predictions, the "Oztips" selections are due before kickoff of tonight's game.

** End **

Posted by: 4-12 | November 6, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Dallas is only practicing twice this week, and the reason for that is because Romo is coming back and they want to get him extra work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 6, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Any guesses on how Brady Quinn, Medicine Woman does tonight in his debut? It is the Broncos so I'll guess 22-36, 258, 1 TD, 2 INT.

Cindy, the Sports page is all in B&W. I think you're spending too much money on your election coverage. Time to re-examine priorities!

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 6, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Still don't "buy it". The coach even admitted there was a lack of execution on the players part. Hopefully you guys will be right the rest will do them good, but I feel practice would make them better. If nothing else - rest the 3 guys who are hurt and practice their backups.

Also, I meant to say the Skins had 3 bad games in a row PLUS the Pittsburgh game which was 2-2 against 3 bad teams and a good one. We really should have been 3-1 in that stretch and played competitively against Pittsburgh.

I just don't see the "sense of urgency" in the coaches and players. I'm not sure "coasting" to a 10-6 record will be good enough for the playoffs. The ONLY attitude for the coaches, players, AND THE FANS:

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"!

Posted by: captjim | November 6, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
as always, brought to you Yahoo!

I did this once before, analyzed a situation in terms of yards and possession with a math model I developed. Will take a look at Zorn's 4th and goal from the 1 while down 17.

As I described a few weeks ago, my own method says 15 yards = 1 point and a turnover = 50 yards (or -50 yards to the offense) plus the change in yards from scrimmage. As an example, the blocked punt gave the Steelers about 50 added yards of field position, the equivalent of 50/15 or 3.3 points.

Basically, there are only 2 expected outcomes from going for it on 4th and 1 from the goal line. Score the TD or not score it and turn it over.

If the team scores, they get 7 points. Now assume the Steelers bring the ball out to the 25 following the kickoff. The net is 24 yards in lost field position and 50 yards for returning the ball to Pittsburgh. So the transition loss is 74yards/15 or -4.9 points. Add 7 for the TD and the net of the play is a +2.1.

Miss the TD, which is what happened, and its a -50 yard play, since it is the equivalent of a turnover with no change of field position, or -3.3 points.

So how to to decide? We look at the FG option and what it might deliver. Its 3 points positive, with the same -74 yards (50 for giving the ball back to Pitt and 24 yards for Pitt getting to the 25 yard line) or -4.9 points, for a total of -1.9 points.

The math is z * 2.1 + (1-z) *- 3.3. > -1.9. where z is the probability of scoring. Turns out you only need a 25% chance to score the TD to make the 'go for it' call over the FG.

For those of you who wonder why its only 2.1 points for a TD in this case, my method credits many of the 'points' to the yards gained that got us to the 1 yard line. The drive started at our own 33 yard line. The 66 yards gained to get to the 1 yard line are the equivalent of 4.4 points. Add the 2.1 points for the TD and the entire drive would be a net of 6.5 points. The FG would be 2.5 points if you account for the entire drive.

and that ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES as always, brought to you Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

^^^^^^^

yawn...

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not sure "coasting" to a 10-6 record will be good enough for the playoffs"

Once again, I'm not sure how you interpret things is in any way close to reality.

Who said they were going to coast, or even suggested as much??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 6, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Also, could anyone tell me if the ESPN INSIDER subscription is worth it? I'm just trying to figure out all of this internet stuff out so I don't really know how to compare "values".

1 Year Membership $39.95
2 Year Membership $59.95

Posted by: captjim | November 6, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

capt.

Those are tough statements coming from someone sitting on a blog all day, how many days off have you had in the last 14 weeks from you strenuous job?

The Skins have played every week for the last 14 weeks the players are beat up and need time to heal, the coaches have already stated that they are working through the bye week.

Practicing hurt players or tired unfocused players does no good, and if you have ever played or coached any level of sports you would know that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 6, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

captjim, i hate to argue on the side of most redskins fans, but i have to agree with everyone else that you are incorrect. the skins are very battered now and everyone in the league knows it. they just played a top physical team and are lucky they didnt have any injury setbacks. now you take time to rest up and come back strong.

how can you ask an ailing santana moss, argulably you're only offensive recieving threat to continue to practice for two weeks and never letting him get to 100%?

i hope for my jints sake they would practice and let everyone remain hurt like over in big D, but if you're a skins fan, you should be happy the players are off for now.

even a giants fan can recognize that...

Posted by: NewYorkBaller | November 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuals has floating cartliadge in his knee. I dont see why you would have this Team practice. have individual meeting with the younger guys and the rookies try to screw Thomas's head on straight and get these younger guys focused.

What purpose do you think it will serve Chris Samuals, Moss, and Portis who are all very beat up to practice, do you think they do not know what they are doing and need to learn it? I would think that these guys just need rest to get healthy again. You push someone with a hammy and arguable your most impoirtant player Samuals with floating knee cartiladge and your gonna get nothing but bad knew. If youve earned it you sit if you aint done sh*t you practice, so there pleanty that should sit and plenty that should practice.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 6, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

also "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"!

then why are you arguing that they barely beat two weak teams? Take the win and stop whinning!

Posted by: NewYorkBaller | November 6, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Still don't "buy it". The coach even admitted there was a lack of execution on the players part. Hopefully you guys will be right the rest will do them good, but I feel practice would make them better. If nothing else - rest the 3 guys who are hurt and practice their backups.

Also, I meant to say the Skins had 3 bad games in a row PLUS the Pittsburgh game which was 2-2 against 3 bad teams and a good one. We really should have been 3-1 in that stretch and played competitively against Pittsburgh.

I just don't see the "sense of urgency" in the coaches and players. I'm not sure "coasting" to a 10-6 record will be good enough for the playoffs. The ONLY attitude for the coaches, players, AND THE FANS:

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"!

Posted by: captjim "

what it sounds like you're saying

is that you think a guy that has been a successful position coach and somewhat successful NFL quarterback (so I'm guessing he was somewhat successful in college) does not have the attitude to succeed as a head coach.

I'm confident that Zorn and Blache and others have the attitude to win in this league. It takes that attitude to get where they have all gotten now.


and didn't Zorn say Holmgrem used to do exactly what he is doing now? And don't we hear about the "Holmgrem Coaching Tree" all the time?


You're overreacting.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 6, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I am the one who claims it is Thrash, not Thomas, who cut off his drag route too early and watched the ball whiz by on its way to the DB.
Unless Thomas switched to #83 in mid-game, I stand by that claim. And as I said at the time, Thrash reacted quickly, made the tackle, and then just lay on the ground with his hands on his helmet -- the classic pose of "what was I thinking?".
Now maybe Thomas did something wrong on his route and that's why JC checked down to Thrash. But JC was definitely throwing the ball to where he thought Thrash would be crossing, and Thrash definitely stopped his route to wait for the ball to come.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Dag, thanks, I thought someone had posted that it wasn't Thomas.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

To continue bye-week-practice-dead-horse-beating...here's a snippet from yahoo sports....

"NFL teams carry 53 players on their rosters. Two Redskins rookies, quarterback Colt Brennan and offensive lineman Chad Rinehart, have yet to see action this season. Of Washington’s remaining 51 players, an astounding 16 were on the injury list prior to Monday’s game against Pittsburgh. Another, defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, was hurt against the Steelers. That’s one third of the roster."

practice during bye week=power rankings

Posted by: 4-12 | November 6, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

FWIW, I didn't hear Zorn ever claim that it was Thomas -- the claim was from JLC in Tuesday Morning QB:
At this point they don't have the personnel to go four wide that much; James Thrash is nearing the end and Devin Thomas is still clueless at times (he cut off his route erroneously on that second interception, which, again, wont endear him to the quarterbacks).
4th -- you said it was Zorny... do you recall when that was?

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

dang it cload, we've been beeped.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what time do the lots open there at texas stadium next Sunday?

Posted by: Dfan | November 6, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

A blown pass route and a tipped ball lead to interceptions (sh*t happens!!), that means JC still int-free in qb mistake real-time interception count..

Posted by: frak | November 6, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Skins need a week of rest based on their number of injuries. Cowboys have been destroyed two of the last 3 weeks and barely beat TB at home. They're practicing because Wade Phillips is trying to save his job and look like he's being tough on the players.

Zorn is smart and knows he needs as many of the key injured players back healthy for not only Dallas, but New York in three weeks. Dallas is playing for their season against the Skins or Romo wouldn't be practicing this week. I like the Skins chances whether they practice or not this week.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 6, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

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