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What's Next for Davis?

Tight end Fred Davis impressed teammates in practice during his rookie season, but played little because Coach Jim Zorn lacked confidence in him. The Redskins are expected to use more two tight-end sets this season to get Davis and Pro Bowl tight end Chris Cooley on the field together.

By Jason Reid  |  May 14, 2009; 12:01 PM ET
 
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Comments

Told ya'll bout those pesky Penguins!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Something disgruntled and critical b/c there is no real Redskins news.

Something lame about being "first" or missing out on being "first".

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

[insert lame, tired joke about alarm clocks]

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Are these guys on vacation or what? How about some real news or analysis, or something, WP!!

Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

funk brings the meta-comments.

To which I add this meta-meta-comment.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

But really SF213,
Aren't we really all on vacation, so to speak?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 14, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Hail2, get that garbage outta here. The CAPS is DMV associated so it's STILL CAPS all day!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Are these guys on vacation or what? How about some real news or analysis, or something, WP!!
Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 14, 2009 12:29 PM
The players are on vacation until OTA’s in June…..I don’t think that the press is free to waltz around the facilities at will…they can’t just stroll into the weight room and see who is working out today or go up to the trainers office to get a quote on how Rocky or M Kelly’s knees are doing……they have to wait for a daily presser from whoever is giving it, IF they are giving it. I know, I know a “true insider” would blah blah blah…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Red

"Baseball: The ultimate cerebral & team sport. If you don't think so, I'll make you kiss my Louisville slugger, ya dig?"

Nice post.

How did you know to pull up the baseball reference and De Niro?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

[insert lame, tired joke about alarm clocks]

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 12:28 PM

I heard Fred Davis and a couple other Redskins are opening up a new store in Virginia -- that will sell mattresses.

They're calling it Sleepy's: The Matterss Pros

116 Maple Ave W
Vienna, VA 22180
(703) 255-0317

BruMawha ha ha ha ha...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"BruMawha"???
Dude, you have a really weird laugh...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Muahhahaha?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Baseball is the only team sport we have where one mans individual talent can single handedly win a game.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Wait, I thought you liked baseball.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

'The Untouchables' is not just one of my all-time favorite gangster movies, but movies, period.

The baby carriage/train station scene, the rooftop scene, the cabin scene, so many others.

De Niro is just that dude. Dug him in 'Taxi Driver' as well.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Um, let me see... from last years draft we have 1. malcolm kelly who has yet to demonstrate that he was worth the risk due to his ailing knee and doubtfully will ever prove worth the risk 2. devin thomas who along with malcolm kelly came into camp out of shape and never did gain the coaches confidence after they were both hyped during the camps last year. 3. fred davis who was supposed to be a part of 2 tight end sets last year also but couldn't answer the alarm clock and apparently failed to impress the coaches enough to get on the field. 4. chad rinehart who i'm not sure if he ever even found out if his uniform fits him or not and thats just rounds 2 and 3 of last years draft... i think you get the picture, these guys better grow leaps and bounds and get open quick to help our old o-line or we will be depending on that (hopefully) awesome offense to bail us out of almost every game. does anybody disagree?????

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

oops, i meant hopefully awesome DEFENSE

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Former Seattle coach Mike Holmgren recently said he would return to either coaching or an
executive position after sitting out for a year. What an opportunity for the Redskins to go after him to finally get a person with some knowledge of football talent in their front office.Someone who is not enamored with an over-the=hill big=name player eg Taylor, Brunell, and others in recent years. It's time Snyder and Cerrato retire, watch practice and leave the rest to the GM.

Posted by: jokar21438 | May 14, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

dl, can't be any weider than the dude with the girly shierking laugh thats burning up youtube right now..

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

something must have been working when the skins went 6-2, so obviously the ability was there. Can we just build on 6-2 as opposed to deconstruct the 2-6 and find eternal reasons for failure?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 14, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

does anybody disagree?????

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I do. I believe our offense will be better. By leaps and bounds, no. We will need to upgrade our O-line eventually. But having people in the same system this year should help, by how much, time will tell. We have been riding our defense for years now, it wont be any different than years before.

What is everyones opinion on the last season we depended more on our O than our D? Curious to see how far it goes back.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder...God bless him. he wants to win so bad but he has absolutely no idea how to do it and he wants a guy like vinny so he can 'have input" on personnel decisions. for the money he is willing to spend we could be a playoff team year in and year out...if he would just get out of the way and hire a pro to be GM and let him go with it. Remember the good ol days when the only time we saw the owner or spoke of him was when he was spotted in the booth or --now we are going back -- hoisting a trophy and congratulating his team??!!

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

t_e, you must be in the Durham area. How could you like Duke and you went to an ACC rival, Georgia Tech?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:24 PM |

Red, I went to graduate school at Duke. Back in the day ... there were so many federal scholarships/fellowhips and a guy could spend his life in college. I'm a Tech fan in football, Duke in roundball. And, to hell with Georgia.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 14, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

What is everyones opinion on the last season we depended more on our O than our D? Curious to see how far it goes back.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 12:55 PM

I'd say during spurriers time here

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd say the last time depending on our offense was successful was during Ryp's big years which coincides with winning it all in 91

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Told ya'll bout those pesky Penguins!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse


Whatever.

If Sid and Ovie crossed paths in a dark alley, Sid would be the one upside-down in a garbage can...

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

De Niro was best in The Deer Hunter, as was Christopher Walken. Best movie ever created!

and that De Niro quote from Untouchables is pure win. I'm not a big baseball guy, but gosh darn (uncensor that yourself) if you don't get chills thinking about all the legends of the game, you shouldn't be allowed to call yourself a sports fan.

I still look back on the "good ol" days when baseball was king here in SC/GA. Mark Lemke, Marquis Grissom, Fred 'Crime Dog' McGriff, The Jones brothers in their prime, Ryan freaking Klesco, Jeff Blauser with the fat jaw, JAVY Lopez, and that's BEFORE I even mention the pitchers - Maddux, Avery, Smoltz, Glavine, Denny Neagle, Mark Woehlers.

My god, those were crazy times around here. Probably the most exciting sports time out my life, cause in the southeast almost EVERYBODY was watching that.

But when you talk about the all-time greats, names like Babe Ruth, Cal Ripken, Jr., Ted Williams, Pete Rose, Jackie Robinson, Lou Gehrig, Nolan Ryan, Honus Wagner, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Stan 'The Man' Musial, Hank Aaron...

The legends and records of baseball far, far, far surpass any other sport. I don't even think Micheal Jordan, Bird, and Magic compare. I love hearing true knowledgable baseball fans talk, cause admittingly I don't know as much as I would like to.

Anyway.../rant.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

How can you say he will or will not be productive without defining what productive is? He did so little last year, any significant playing time and maybe 25 catches could be viewed as productive.

Posted by: Veretax | May 14, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What is everyones opinion on the last season we depended more on our O than our D? Curious to see how far it goes back.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 12:55 PM

I'd say during spurriers time here

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Disagree on this one as well, Marvin Lewis was running our D and it was still our strongest side of the ball. I believe we were a top 10 D then, maybe top 5.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

PS - for the record, not a huge fan of The Untouchables. Solid movie but overrated.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I stand corrected, I thought our D was much better then.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is a backup tight end playing behind a Pro Bowler. What's the upside for a back-up? Personal protector?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 14, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

If he was here in 2003, our D was not that good, the next year we were number 3.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

23rd in offense in 2003, 25th in Defense 2003. Maybe I should rephrase the question?

When was the last time we had an "O", that defenses feared?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The legends and records of baseball far, far, far surpass any other sport. I don't even think Micheal Jordan, Bird, and Magic compare. I love hearing true knowledgable baseball fans talk, cause admittingly I don't know as much as I would like to.
Anyway.../rant.
Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 1:04 PM

I‘ve had a few chats with guys who grew up in the Joe Dimaggio and Mickey Mantle eras. They all pretty much say that today’s “hero worship” is NOTHING like it used to be. If you bad mouthed the mick, you got your butt kicked. And everyone loved the mick. Apparently Michael Jordan’s status never even came close. I know that baseball was king back then, and it was a more innocent time, but baseball superstars were considered national heroes, way more than today’s starts are….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Wait, I thought you liked baseball.
Posted by: SMACK1

I do and thats why I love it.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"23rd in offense in 2003, 25th in Defense 2003. Maybe I should rephrase the question?

When was the last time we had an "O", that defenses feared?"

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

I dont think we've had a good offense since 1999 under Norv. That is also the only time since maybe 91' that we've had an entire year of good consistent QB play.

Another reason I dont understand the lack of patience with JC. In the last 17 season we've had maybe 2.5 seasons combined of consistent, good QB play and JC provide .5 of those. I agree that he needs to step up this year but everyone who is so eager to replace him should be carefful what they wish for. We could, and have, done a lot worse.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 14, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Michael Jordan’s status never even came close. I know that baseball was king back then, and it was a more innocent time, but baseball superstars were considered national heroes, way more than today’s starts are….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

In America, I agree. Worldwide recognition has to go to Jordan though. He was at one time the 2nd most recognized person in China!! The Mick never had that mass appeal.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say that we were successful the last time we depended on the offense. but when you're tossing the ball all over the field, you are hardly considered grind it out depend on the defense type team. it wasn't the philosophy anyway. the offense just still sucked. i will say that the last time we had a really good offense was also the last time we were a really good team.

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Hail2, get that garbage outta here. The CAPS is DMV associated so it's STILL CAPS all day!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Rock the Red bro...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

seasons, provided.

grammatical/typo corrections.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time we had an "O", that defenses feared?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson and Stephan Davis. 1999
Johnson had 4000 yards and 24+TDs Davis ran for 1400 yards and 17 TDs.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This will be my second year with Season ticket to the Skins. I am HOPING, we do much better than last year. If not, I can still get smashed in the parking lot with plenty of people who feel the same sadness.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Told ya'll bout those pesky Penguins!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse


Whatever.

If Sid and Ovie crossed paths in a dark alley, Sid would be the one upside-down in a garbage can...

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

One man not a team makes...

this daily proverb brought to you by YODA

Rock the RED!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson and Stephan Davis. 1999
Johnson had 4000 yards and 24+TDs Davis ran for 1400 yards and 17 TDs.

Memories........ at least we have those.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

"...De Niro is just that dude. Dug him in 'Taxi Driver' as well...."

Beg to disagree.

"The Raging Bull" is by far the best DeNiro flick.

The constant "Did you f!ck my wife?" and the way Joe Pesci just hangs around like a roach in a filthy kitchen amazes.

The well choreographed fight scenes and black and white strucutre gives the movie a cool documentary feel.

Their chemistry is so good that it really is what makes Goodfellas a great movie--'cuz after they are out of it, it becomes Ray Liotta's film and thus no so great.

And on the subject of bromance movies, every blogga is required to watch The Wrestler by Monday.

There will be a discussion, but no test.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Wait, I thought you liked baseball.
Posted by: SMACK1

I do and thats why I love it.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

So he can just pitch it? Nobody has to tell him what to pitch, where to put it, catch it, maybe frame it in the strike zone a l'il bit, and throw it back?

It's not a good thing if teamwork is non-essential to a team game.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Question: When was the last time the redskins had an offense to worry about?

Answer: "Brad Johnson and Stephan Davis. 1999. Johnson had 4000 yards and 24+TDs
Davis ran for 1400 yards and 17 TDs."

Has it been ten years?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

And on the subject of bromance movies, every blogga is required to watch The Wrestler by Monday.

There will be a discussion, but no test.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Not interested. Mickey Rourke on roids pretending to beat up other dudes on roids while poppoing pain pills and getting pissy drunk. there I summed it up for you... no thanks needed

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson and Stephan Davis. 1999
Johnson had 4000 yards and 24+TDs Davis ran for 1400 yards and 17 TDs.
Memories........ at least we have those.
Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:28 PM

I’ve been re-watching some of those games lately. Stephen Davis was awesome. If our defense had been a couple “notches” better, they could have been a great team….even so, the defense scored 4 or 5 td’s that year and got quite a few sacks…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I’ve been re-watching some of those games lately. Stephen Davis was awesome. If our defense had been a couple “notches” better, they could have been a great team….even so, the defense scored 4 or 5 td’s that year and got quite a few sacks…..


Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

no offense, but how in the H E double hockey sticks do you have time to watch 10 year Redskin games? WOW

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Bromance?

Hooker, Gandorff -- The Sting

the trio in Jaws (Schieder, Shaw, Dreyfus)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 14, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson and Stephan Davis. 1999
Johnson had 4000 yards and 24+TDs Davis ran for 1400 yards and 17 TDs.

Memories........ at least we have those.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:28 PM |

Didn't we basically run both of these guys out of town after showing absolutely no appreciation for the deeds they had done? I seem to recall jeff george catching dannys eye and brad johnson leaving upset and then we hired spurrier who had no use for a big durable running back

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse
no offense, but how in the H E double hockey sticks do you have time to watch 10 year Redskin games? WOW
Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 1:37 PM

I know, I’m kind of weird that way….I usually watch them while I exercise each morning, in 30-45 minute increments. No different than the NFL network showing their “classics”…..They are pretty fun to watch.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I guess because Canfora posts about Fred Davis, we are obligued to comment.

But the guy hasn't really done anything to distinguish himself--so what can you say?

Ahem: (INSERT baritone authoritative voice)Fred Davis is on the redskins team and will, um, er, um, he will, hopefully, aaaaa, um, um, oh hell: I hope he wakes up on time to live up to his potential.

The team needs him to, eh, um, be on the team. Because, well, if he's on the team it means he's not on some other team.

There.

That's done.

We've said enough to satisfy the requirement of speaking about a guy who hasn't really done much to speak about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"I’ve been re-watching some of those games lately. Stephen Davis was awesome. If our defense had been a couple “notches” better, they could have been a great team….even so, the defense scored 4 or 5 td’s that year and got quite a few sacks….."

Posted by: dlhaze1

That had the makings of a very good team. Norv finally had a QB to make his offense click. Westbrook actually stayed healthy for a season and he and O'Connell had over 1,000 yards recieving.

Casserly had pulled off the deal to fleece Ditka and still got Champ in the process. THe next year wound up with the 2nd and 3rd picks that got us Samuels and Lavar. Everything was set up for this to be a very good team for a while.

Then the Danny meddling started. Overpaying for over the hill Deion and B Smith. Firing Norv while we had a winning record and still in contention for the playoffs.

10 years later the franchise has done nothing but spin its wheels and save for Gibbs 2.0's two late season pushes, has not made the playoffs since then.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 14, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The first football video game I ever got was from 1999, think it was "Blitz". So much fun to play with those two on the roster. I did not give a s... about the rest of the roster because all I had to do was Run up the gut, cutback run then a long bomb with johnson or a quick screen pass.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Whuddabout Yoder?

btw, how was 3 Martini Wednesday - after my beer swilling (but beautiful) wife said we were all a bunch of nancy-boys for drinking Martinis, she had me make her a strawberry daquiri.... [:-\

I do think that the proliferation of cocktails calling themselves Martini has sullied the original's masculine image - I still think anything that tastes like turpentine should be considered NON-NAMBY!

lol.

Whuddrwe drinkin' 2nite?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Davis in the 2 TE set looked pretty good late last year, and it looked like Gibbs style

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Johnson had 4000 yards and 24+TDs Davis ran for 1400 yards and 17 TDs.

That's damn prolific.

After watching the last couple years I was starting to believe that a RB can't have 1200+ yards and the QB can't have 4000+ yards in the same season.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Norv and Johnson could have won us some serious hardware with another 2-3 seasons.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time we had an "O", that defenses feared?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:12 PM

I'd say Gibbs 1.0, circa 1991. Fear may be a strong word, but the offense controlled the ball and the clock and beat up defenses. The O-line was simply dominant.

Immobile Mark Rypien was sacked only 9 times that year, and put up 3564 yards with 28 TDs with 11 INTs. Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders and Art Monk were all serious threats--one was a HOF'er and the other two were bona fide deep threats. Two WRs with 70 or more catches (Monk and Clark)!!!

One RB had over 1000 yards (Byner), another had 680 yards (Ricky Earvins), and another had 11 TDs on 78 carries (Riggs)--it all started with the O-line (Jacoby, Lachey, Grimm, Bostic, McKenzie and some bruising TEs).

For the record, the D was solid, too ~50 sacks; but the offense could score points slowly or in a hurry when necessary, and keep the D off the field, so that D could probably take more gambles than the current edition can.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

hail2

"Not interested. Mickey Rourke on roids pretending to beat up other dudes on roids while poppoing pain pills and getting pissy drunk. there I summed it up for you... no thanks needed"


Sir, put down your keyboard and head directly to the detention room.

And don't stop to sneak a smoke along the way!!!

Mickey Rourke faking it at wrasslin' is about as enthralling as a game 7 hockey playoff contest watched by few and appreciated by no one.

Next you'll tell us that Gladiator and 300 suck as all the homo-erotic roman/greek guys walk around all oiled up in tight-fitting costumes swinging their long swords.

Wait to I call your parents about your insolence!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

That had the makings of a very good team. Norv finally had a QB to make his offense click. Westbrook actually stayed healthy for a season and he and O'Connell had over 1,000 yards recieving.
Casserly had pulled off the deal to fleece Ditka and still got Champ in the process. THe next year wound up with the 2nd and 3rd picks that got us Samuels and Lavar. Everything was set up for this to be a very good team for a while.
Then the Danny meddling started. Overpaying for over the hill Deion and B Smith. Firing Norv while we had a winning record and still in contention for the playoffs.
10 years later the franchise has done nothing but spin its wheels and save for Gibbs 2.0's two late season pushes, has not made the playoffs since then.
Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 14, 2009 1:43 PM

Totally agree….even the 2000 team could have had a chance if they had a good kicker, and kept Brad Johnson at the helm.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Whuddrwe drinkin' 2nite?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I am going to a play openin' so I think I am going to be drinking red wine at the after party.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The only comment I'll make about Fred Davis. Please do not call anymore end arounds for ole' Sleepy...Thanks that is all.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

i'm drinking the usual: vodka

good NBA playoff games tonight, LA vs. HOU & BOS vs. ORL

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Sir, put down your keyboard and head directly to the detention room.

And don't stop to sneak a smoke along the way!!!

Mickey Rourke faking it at wrasslin' is about as enthralling as a game 7 hockey playoff contest watched by few and appreciated by no one.

Next you'll tell us that Gladiator and 300 suck as all the homo-erotic roman/greek guys walk around all oiled up in tight-fitting costumes swinging their long swords.

Wait to I call your parents about your insolence!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

LOL funny stuff Moe but hold on to your seat. I haven't even seen 300! Gladiator I thought was great. One of Crowe's best performances along with Cinderella Man and A Beautiful Mind....

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

My favorite DeNiro character was Louis Cypher in "Angel Heart" ... creepy pointy finger nail, egg-eating, pony tailed scary guy.

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm feelin' Jim Beamy... but I'm out. So mebbe Red Whine is the way to go.

mmmmm .. pasta....

I can't get into the playoffs anymore after that dismal last game by my Heat...

...Did I ever tell you guys I used to play for the Heat? (probably did)...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Geez, if Fred just makes it to training camp on time he will automatically have a production season.

You can't set the bar too high with him.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | May 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Scratch that.

Harry Tuttle (the unregistered hack duct repairman) in "Brazil" ... "Remember, we're all in this together!"

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

LOL funny stuff Moe but hold on to your seat. I haven't even seen 300! Gladiator I thought was great. One of Crowe's best performances along with Cinderella Man and A Beautiful Mind....

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM

I listened to a talk by the "Beautiful Mind" (John Nash) a couple of months ago. He talked about game theory, which was the subject of his 29 page (that's not a typo) PhD dissertation. His dissertation only has two references, and one it to a paper written by himself. He's obviously beyond brilliant, but I had a hard time keeping my eyes open--abstract topic, dry delivery.

I'd never seen the movie before (still haven't yet), but I will try to get around to it this summer.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

In 2009, Todd Yoder > Fred Davis

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm - DeNiro performances for 500, Alex?

Cypher was awesome - got me some trim to that one...(tyvm, Adams Morgan!)

...but as far as best performances for him, no Taxi Driver? My favorite might be King of Comedy, tho... I've always thought those two were kinda the same movie, but with a much happier (though still creepy) ending on KoC.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

[insert lame, tired joke about alarm clocks]

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 12:28 PM

You'll never make it here with that attitude:

Insert Lame SURVEY about alarm clocks.

O Yes, alarm clocks are lame.

O No, Alarm clocks are not lame.

O Yes, Jokes about alarm clocks are Lame

O No YOU're Lame. Wait, no YOU'RE Lame.

O K-Mart's Mama raised a Thug.

O If Fred Davis changed his name to Davis Fred, would anyone notice?

O Ditto Mr. Kelly Malcolm

O And last but not least, Thomas Devin.


Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I’m telling you guys…..watch out for Agnone from DE….seriously.

No, not really seriously….I just have to root for any blue hen to make the team.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I listened to a talk by the "Beautiful Mind" (John Nash) a couple of months ago. He talked about game theory, which was the subject of his 29 page (that's not a typo) PhD dissertation. His dissertation only has two references, and one it to a paper written by himself. He's obviously beyond brilliant, but I had a hard time keeping my eyes open--abstract topic, dry delivery.

I'd never seen the movie before (still haven't yet), but I will try to get around to it this summer.

It takes you deep into the mind of a severely challenged man. I have a family member with some of the same symptoms less all the brilliance...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Midnight Run"

DiNiro is terrific, but Charles Grodin steals the movie...

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Me thinks having cooley and Davis on the field at the same time has got to be a good thing. Doesn't it?

Moss

ARE/Kelly

COOLEY
Samuels
Doc
Rab
Thomas
Ummm...???
DAVIS

Thomas

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | May 14, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

i'm listening to alice cooper now... the band, not the solo career, and i forgot how amazing they were. love it to death, killer, school's out, billion dollar babies, and muscle of love-- 5 classic albums.

hot diggity.

Posted by: TDawg1 | May 14, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Hail - its a great movie. Amazing only a 29 page dissertation, my master's thesis was longer than that.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 14, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

lmao@ Cork

& Sween, can you do that without a 27 B/6?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

oh, and i'm sick of these effin' polls, jasno. get to woik.

Posted by: TDawg1 | May 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that should have been to ALAN.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Tdawg, these posts are a joke!

Posted by: Skins281 | May 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hail2, you're missing a good one in 300.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"....I'd say Gibbs 1.0, circa 1991..."

Didn't the 1991 team set what was then the record for most points scored in an NFL season?

And didn't it fall apart as NFL free agency and the sal cap came during the off season and various players left to make money?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

What, no comments on the 'used to play for the heat' post?

I did, I swear - back in the the Steve Smith days for a year or so. 'Twas a blast...

And on DeNiro, I'd like to think we have yet to see his best performance - though maybe we already have.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the 1991 team set what was then the record for most points scored in an NFL season?
And didn't it fall apart as NFL free agency and the sal cap came during the off season and various players left to make money?
Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 2:17 PM

That was the 1983 team (points record).
And the skins started, I would say getting old rather than falling apart in 1992, but made the playoffs and beat the vikes in a wildcard game that year. It all went south in 93…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

anyone see the new star trek movie? thought it was a ton of fun, even though they mess with the mythology.

Posted by: TDawg1 | May 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

JLC.....your little polls are a cop out!

Posted by: Jahswim | May 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the 1991 team set what was then the record for most points scored in an NFL season?

No, it was the 1983 team that had the record for most points in a season until the 1998 VIkings broke it followed by the Pats in 2007.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I have not answered one of this weeks poll to date. Why? It's May.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Dik, you used to play for the Heat? As in the Miami Heat, the NBA franchise?

lol.

you do know your real name is needed to vouch for this fact, right?

so let's have it.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Problem may have been in the name: Right Way Taxes. When you pay them the right way, the taxes are too high. Just ask Tim Geithner. So, just like Geithner, most of us are looking for a way to pay less taxes: Wrong Way Taxes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 14, 2009 12:21 PM

True that. I'll still choose to stay Right Way Tax Service. Only because I don't want to go to jail, since my 'lawyer' escrow is sitting @ zero. Those federal public defenders are the worse out of all public defenders......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the Miami Heat - back in da dey.

Go ahead, ask me what I played!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Its real simple given the offensive line woes:

Fred Davis is touted as a superior and strong blocker at tight end. Cooley is not. They need to move Cooley and give their aged ones some help ala Donny Warren. He can work progressively, even if slowly into the pass catching schemes.

Blocking its what's for dinner.

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

What is everyone's all time favorite movie? Can only pick one movie over any genre...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

And the skins started, I would say getting old rather than falling apart in 1992, but made the playoffs and beat the vikes in a wildcard game that year. It all went south in 93…..
Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 2:21 PM

To expound further, the 92 team was essentially the same as the 91 team (plus desmond howard, ugh), just older and they suffered a TON of injuries that year. It was a really banged up, desperate squad that beat an awesome (super bowl bound) cowboys team to stay alive in the playoff hunt. That was the game where they sacked Aikman in the endzone, and then Emmit muffed the ensuing fumble, and the skins recovered for a TD. One of the greatest upsets of the cowboys, IMO. Good times. I have that game on tape too.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead, ask me what I played!
Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009

Ahmmmm, I.P. Freely starring DikShuttle along with Jack MeOff as Long Schlong?

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

GMOAT:

Kentucky Fried Movie.

That's my movie and I'm stickin' to it.

Oh, and Red - you don't need a name. You can see my pic at http://www.ShuttlelOUNGE.com

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

That had the makings of a very good team. Norv finally had a QB to make his offense click. Westbrook actually stayed healthy for a season and he and O'Connell had over 1,000 yards recieving.
Casserly had pulled off the deal to fleece Ditka and still got Champ in the process. THe next year wound up with the 2nd and 3rd picks that got us Samuels and Lavar. Everything was set up for this to be a very good team for a while.
Then the Danny meddling started. Overpaying for over the hill Deion and B Smith. Firing Norv while we had a winning record and still in contention for the playoffs.
10 years later the franchise has done nothing but spin its wheels and save for Gibbs 2.0's two late season pushes, has not made the playoffs since then.
Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 14, 2009 1:43 PM

Reading this post made me sad. Not that Brad Johnson was an amazing QB, but he was consistent. I mean, what happened to Albert Connell? I think Johnson made him and Westbrook better, not to mention Stephen Davis was dominant. Nothing lasts forever, but that team was one blown hold away from conference finals...

Posted by: moo21 | May 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

And didn't it fall apart as NFL free agency and the sal cap came during the off season and various players left to make money?

Casserly released almost the entire offensive line. They didn't want to leave ... but the salary cap. Then he handed Petitbone a team that was decidedly worst than the "Scabs" team he put together during the strike.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

What is everyone's all time favorite movie? Can only pick one movie over any genre...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

For me it has to be "The Big Lebowski" or "Dumb and Dumber"-- too close to call. Top fives are easier.

Posted by: TDawg1 | May 14, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Peri - that was more dongle imagery than anyone should be subjected to at once!

may I remind that I am the AMAZING Dik Shuttle of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE at the Ramdas Inn in Melbourne Florida - the Space Coast's finest in evening entertainment.

...and I'm serious - in the early 90's I played for the heat. Go ahead, ask me what I played...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I believe Dik only because who cares about people on a blog........

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Who's Fred Davis?

Posted by: jwing14 | May 14, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

i care about y'all.

[gol-DANG it's hard to set up a gag here... in person we would have had the punch line 10 minutes ago]

Seriously NO ONE is going to ask what I played? This setup is completely wasted now.. lmao.

It is the truth, tho. I did play for the heat in the 90's.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

For me it has to be "The Big Lebowski" or "Dumb and Dumber"-- too close to call. Top fives are easier.

Posted by: TDawg1 | May 14, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse
Almost forgot about Dumb & Dumber easily Jim Carey's best movie!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

So no one liked DeNiro in Cape Fear? I thought he was bad arse in that role.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

What position did you play dik?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Dik, everyone saw that setup from milezzzz away... just came back from your lounge.. and there is NO WAY you played in the 90s.

Mid 70s to Early 90s maybe...

But just for kicks -- I'm going to regret this -- what position did you play while with the Heat in the 90s?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Who ever posted that MSN link to a 'good' analysis of the Cuban/Kmart Mom's thing....

Why why WHY. Whitlock's credibility is as good as any other poster on this blog. Don't let him brain wash you.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

DeNiro was good in Cape Fear.

"You're gonna learn about loss"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

....

..
...

I played Guitar!

....
..
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...maps...

Geez - why did y'all make me do that?!?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

..this all would be alot funnier if y'all were drunk.

..ok.. smok brek.

and again. I do care. my sincerest apologies to everyone.

..and I did play for the heat. ..guitar.. I wore a funny hat. and ate hotdogs.

..and looked at all the prettty laaadies.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Give me the longer version so I'll understand....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"In an expanded role, will tight end Fred Davis have a productive season?"


If Davis catches 6 balls for 54 yards he would have doubled his offensive production from last season in catches and yards.

...gives new meaning to the term "offensive production".

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Me thinks having cooley and Davis on the field at the same time has got to be a good thing. Doesn't it?

Moss

ARE/Kelly

COOLEY
Samuels
Doc
Rab
Thomas
Ummm...???
DAVIS

Thomas

I agree it COULD be good. Dont know if Thomas/Kelly are going to pan out though, I hear a lot of optimism(WHICH IS GOOD!!!) but overall, on paper it looks very decent.

Posted by: jefferboy | May 14, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The idea of using a two tight end receiver set to me sounds more like protect the QB so he can dink and dunk.

And it obviously also means that the fullback is out of the game. We have probably the best fullback in the game right now. Instead of putting in plays for a 2nd TE, we should be putting more plays for our FB.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 14, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Larry and others.It's a new offensive scheme.

To have 2 pass receiving TEs. TB is doing it as well with Stevens and Winslow.

Will it be effective and how many snaps it will be used in remains to be seen......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

wow that was awful Dik, I want to destroy your very existence.


best movie all time is either Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas or The Deer Hunter.

. (PERIOD)

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

What is everyone's all time favorite movie? Can only pick one movie over any genre...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 2:28 PM

Raiders of the Lost Ark, far and away the best movie I've ever seen. It stands the test of time.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 14, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Braveheart. William Wallace was a bad Mother Trucker.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

speaking of movies, if you haven't seen Star Trek, check it out!

I'm no Trekkie nerd, but my mom is and we both loved it equally. Great movie!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

reddmv: "After watching the last couple years I was starting to believe that a RB can't have 1200+ yards and the QB can't have 4000+ yards in the same season.Posted by: RedDMV "

The stat geeks insist that total passing yards aren't that important anyway. It's TDs, INTs, sacks, and completion percentage that make a difference.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 14, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

TYVM, Truth - once again you live up to your moniker! I aim to disappoint!

I went to see Fear & Loathing before it was released at one of those pre-run midnight showings. At one point in the film (around the circus circus time...) everything was running backwards and upside down. The entire audience (100 plus) sat and watched for over 30 minutes. I think we all believe Gilliam was giving us our own acid trip. Everyone was rapt & silent.

Turns out the film tech was so high he'd put the 2nd reel on backwards!!!! AWEOSME!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Why why WHY. Whitlock's credibility is as good as any other poster on this blog. Don't let him brain wash you.....
Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 2:48 PM

Whitlock has good days and bad. The black culture comments were a bit over the top but the idea of Stern letting Cuban get away unpunished and the nonsense going on at the arena was on the spot. If Jerry Jones tells McNabbs mama her boy is a punk & Chunky soup tastes like poo, you don't think Roger Goodell makes him wince hard enough to crack his shiny botox and sheep fat enhanced freakish grin?

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

So far I got Big lobowski or dumb & dumber, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Braveheart let's keep it going!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

too many movies to choose one, i don't see how you guys are picking just one.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Stardom is what's next for Fred Davis.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Best Movie

Gladiator

"What we do in the draft, echoes in eternity"

I think thats how it went

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

speaking of movies, if you haven't seen Star Trek, check it out!

I'm no Trekkie nerd, but my mom is and we both loved it equally. Great movie!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Come out of the closet you little Trekkie. You probably have yuor Spak ears on right now!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ever see Jarmusch's "Dead Man" w/ Johnny Depp? That was pretty cool.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Boondock Saints is another great one

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

i'm a huge fan of the Bourne Series...I'll watch it everytime it comes on TNT LOL

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

LMAO... Dumb & Dumber - that entire movie is one big quote.

"T-t, T-ha, t-he.. 'The'."

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, some movies you see once, and you think, "that was pretty good." But you've seen it and it's over. You won't watch it again.

Maybe there's a movie(s?) you can watch over and over, and each time you see it you're still entertained. There are very few movies I can watch over and over again and remain entertained, which is what made the choice easy for me.

Raiders of the Lost Ark (not the sequals or the prequal, just Raiders) is fun every time I watch it!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 14, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

And with the seventh pick in the best movie draft, Michael Vick selects...

Old Yeller,

especially when they shot him in the face

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Gladiator, Bourne, Dumb & Dumber, Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Big Leboski, Braveheart, and???

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

One of the best movies

300------ "Give them nothing, but take from them everything"


Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle

"..on DeNiro, I'd like to think we have yet to see his best performance - though maybe we already have.."

Mr Shuttle.

May I call you, Dik for short?

The confusion evident in the statement listed above only underscores the point made by those of us who feel the NBA damages a man's mind.

Years spent bouncing balls in your hands leads to all kinds of slow thinking.

Your telling folks you played for the Miami Heat with Steve Smith is like Calvin Johnson bragging about his numbers with the lions from last season.

Or: it's like bragging about being the last guy to sleep with Lil Kim after forty dudes have already moved on from her.

Sir, there are no props to be gained by bragging about having been a member of the Miami Heat before Pat Riley took over.

But if you tell people you're a member in good standing in RI Nation, well, roses will cushion your walk and moronic polls will gauge your interest.

People will fart in your general direction and grappa will quench your thirst.

People who can't spell will post back to you: "Youre n idiot, dummee. Im two rich to prove my punts."

And your wanting us to guess at who you might be will only cause other famous RI Nation bloggas to out themselves.

I, for example, will tell everyone who I am: Elmer J Fudd.

I own a mansion and a yacht.

Serious.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Best Movie

Gladiator

"What we do in the draft, echoes in eternity"

I think thats how it went

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:26 PM

That's good, but I like: "We mere mortals are but shadows and dusts."

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

give me a saturday filled with all the Rocky's playing back to back and then followed up by Rambo. AMC channel has done this quite a few times, not a big stallone fan but i could watch rocky and rambo over and over

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 14, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Braveheart was way too long, by the time it ended, I was divorced

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Stardom is what's next for Fred Davis.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 3:26 PM

I feel the same exact way..... He's determined. Determined people with skill usually make it to stardom...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

What does the two tight end set mean for Mike Sellers?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne - You still in Jersey?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

on another note i have been quiet today but just drank 32oz of coffee and i am feeling real talkative.
next movie is Problem Child I could sit and laugh at that little red head boy every time it comes on. only Problem child 1 & 2

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 14, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Jaws.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Negative....

Back in exotic Cheyenne, WY. Drinking pina coladas poolside and watching the trees sway in the gentle breeze.

Actually its 50 degrees and windy and Im sitting in a cubicle wishing I had studied more in the three weeks I went in college

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

What does the two tight end set mean for Mike Sellers?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

unemployment!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

* Meanace II Society
* South Central

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

It had everything, man vs. man, man vs. nature, and man vs. himself, plus Johnny Depp wasn't in it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh okay, Alan. So if you watch a movie a bunch of times and each time it's enertaining means that it's you favorite movie.

Hmm, I still can't pick just one.

As a child I liked the movie 'Aliens', I still do. Also, 'Dick Tracy'. I still watch both if they're on TV.

Gladiator, 300, Goodfelllas, Donnie Brasco, there are way too many for me.

I'm something like a movie junkie.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Jaws is a great selection! Who can argue with Rocky or Rambo? Although Stallone is not even close to being a good actor in my book

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Not one Kubrik refernce either... hmmm...

Now the question was 'favorite', so I picked the classic Kentucky Fried. Images of Ushi Digart smashed up against a glass shower stall tend to stick. I watched that double feature w/ Airplane at the old flower theater like every day it was there.

... but for 'best' movie wouldn't Full Metal Jacket, Strangeglove or The Shining sit up there somewhere...

..and of course "The Godfather" (personally, I think it's kicks Citizen K's arese...)

whuddabout Apocolypse now? geez there are so many...

Still - favorite is KFM c'mooon "Catholic High School Girls In Trouble"?... "Cleopatra Schwartz"? what could be better?

Lost Drunken Men

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm...... Natural Born Killers was pretty sweet as well. Micky and Mallory

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The Godfather II

"Cerrato you broke my heart..."

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Howard the Duck

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

yeah i hate johnny jumpstreet depp

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

shout out to 4th with the Menace and South Central reference.

"At that age they don't ask no questions."
- Loco, Junkie/Fiend (South Central)

"Now you see there... you know you done f_____ up now, don't you? You said you bought the bottle of beer at 11:15... you done f_____ up... (Giggles) you done f_____ up" - Interrogator (Menace II Society)

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

A Clockwork Orange is easily among the most disturbing.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

And by your answer, I'd assume you still in the military....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone ever see Jarmusch's "Dead Man" w/ Johnny Depp? That was pretty cool.

Posted by: DikShuttle"

Dead Man was indeed great, and the part with Flea and the other two guys (I can't recall who exactly at this moment) was awesome by the camp fire. Great dialog.


also, can't forget Planet of the Apes, easily a top 5 movie for me, maybe top 3. Charlton Heston is the MOTHERFREAKING BEST

and of course The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly


Planet of the Apes
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
The Deer Hunter

those are probably my top 4, #5 I was thinking A Clockwork Orange, but ehhh, not so really a top 5 movie. Midnight Cowboy was good but not really top 5. I'm planning on finally watching Full Metal Jacket this week sometime, so maybe that will do it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The Godfather II

"Cerrato you broke my heart..."

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

That's some funny Sh*t

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"who framed roger rabbit"...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

way 2 bring it, smack!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes Sir

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

See someone else pulls some out the bag: Godfather II - [big ups to lilhollywood] and Problem Child (1 & 2 only) [ups to GreatOne]

Everytime those movies are on I stop and watch.

Especially Godfather II. The beginning is a boost.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Hmm...Schindler's List was a great movie but I can't watch it over and over. Too draining. Return of the King I can watch over and over.

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Yo, Howard the Duck was MY MoFo Movie when I was in single digits! Nothing could mess wit that joint! My future step-father's part time job was at Erol's and me and moms use to stop there all the time at the end of his shift and Howard the Duck was in my rotation of Beta Max movies to rent!

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

you guys have seen way more movies than the Chief, that's for sure...ok so a while back we did favorite actors but our favorite actors do not necessarily star in our favorite movies...what id your favorite movie that includes yuor favorite actor???

Also Star Wars has to be mentioned in the movie discussion...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Have u seen it before, Truth? Full Metal Jacket?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Once Gunnery Sergeant hartman got smoked the movie was over.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Good grief... Full Metal Jacket & The Shining?

There is too many to choose one movie as a favorite.

I'll always remember Full Metal Jacket for the basic training sequence - basic training wasn't that hard, lol.

The Shining? Um, "Here comes Johnny!" "Not by the hairs of your chinny chin-chin?"

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The Mack.

"Listen Mr. Pretty Tony, I mean you know the rules. I mean, your b***h chose me. Now we can settle this like you got some class, or we can get into some gangsta s**t."

And you though Snoop Dogg came up with that on his own.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Truth, Full Metal Jacket is a must see.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Morgan Freeman in Shawshank Redemption...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

LH - So many lines from so many rap songs have taken a part from that movie. When I was watching it recently I recalled at least 7/8 different parts taken and placed in someone's song.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Full Metal Jacket brought us the term "Me love you long time."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

no haven't seen Full Metal Jacket before, I've had the DVD for over 2 years now, just haven't gotten to it.


Favorite movie starring favorite actor right now is Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas/Johnny Depp. At least for now, I've kinda started forgetting about him, but that should change when his new gangsta movie with Christian BAle comes out! OH MAN THAT'S GONNA BE AWESOME

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, when did you go through training?

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 14, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Point Break............

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Truth, Full Metal Jacket is a must see.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty hardcore and distubing. I tried to watch it when i was was too young it F'ed me up for a while...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Malcom X is one of my personal favs. Mainly because I actually READ the book. And it almost went just how the book went (for the most part)...

Aside - 'The Seven Day Theory' by Makeavelli (TuPac) took many parts of the movie as intro's to his song.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Lights out & no interruptions for FMJ.

They had it on some HD channell the other day - I stayed up 'till 2:30 - couldn't help it. (I git up for woik at 5:30.. lol)

FANTASTIC film.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

BIG > Pac

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

favorite movie growing up?


TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES 1, 2, and 3!

Sandlot

Neverending Story

Land Before Time

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Morgan Freeman as God

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

BIG > Pac

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

WTF? Squash that sh*t! Big

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Psps23, if you are still out there or come back, please explain how soccer is more thinking than “try to kick the ball into that goal over there, or if you are covered, kick it to someone else”?

Posted by: dlhaze1"

I know you're being facetious here, but there's something about a sport that requires quick thinking and dynamic decisions based on ever-changing situations that puts it above other sports in my mind. Soccer is ultimate in that respect, because there's only one break the entire game. Hockey and Basketball closely rival it as well, because their action is much more free-flowing.

It doesn't take much to know if the ball is hit in this range, throw it to my shortstop, if it's hit over there, throw it to my second baseman, if this runner is rounding 1st, hit the cutoff man, etc. If sports were mathematics, baseball would be algebra, soccer would be calculus. Everything has to be thought of 6, 7 steps ahead of time to effectively achieve your goal, and it has to be done at an instant. At any moment, the your situation can change. You don't get 30 seconds between pitches to prepare yourself.

If you really want, I can explain to you the nuances between different formations, how a simple positional shift of a right back can affect the positioning of an opponents right midfielder 50 yards away, how teams use movement to draw defenses into certain vulnerable positions in order to exploit holes, or how a seemingly innocuous pass can be the determining factor between a goal for you or a goal for an opponent, but I'm sure being a fan of team sports other than baseball, you can appreciate how that works.

I'd respect baseball more if, like football, it took an ounce of actual athelticism to perform. But it doesn't. Baseball players, on average, must be the least athletic professional athletes of any team sport out there (which, don't get me wrong, doesn't mean they're ALL that way, just on average in relation to other professional sports). We used to laugh at some of the pudgy guys that came in the training room where I went to school, and some of them even got drafted. Not only is it a mindless game, it's also an unathletic one to boot.

If lazy sports are your thing, that's fine with me. I enjoy it on occasion. It's fun to head out there on a warm, sunny day and relax. But if I'm looking for "sport", baseball is one of the last places I turn.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

BIG > Pac

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:04 PM

*Dusting of JM220's hammer*

You know how to incite a riot, huh? With that weak SJK.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Days of Thunder......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Goonies......

Eh You Guuuys!

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

One of the BEST Rap Song's ever done was picture me rollin' by PAC... don't get me started. I was just talking to that cat the other day you he's still laying low

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody want a black lab.

I won it at a charity auction. Not really fair though, they got me drunk and showed me puppies.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Curz, I recently went through basic training in '02 for the Army.

Hell the first three weeks, I get a nostalgic feeling when I reflect back on it now though.

I see y'all are continuing to pull movies out the bag: Malcolm X, Shawshank (f'n awesome clsssic), and even Point Break (don't know if bean was serious with that one). Even though it had two actors (Busey and Reeves) in it people generally like to rag on, I thought it was aight.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Eminem > Asher Roth

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

How old?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"Picture Me Rollin" is a great song until his friend gets on and ruins it. You know the guy, he says "PICKCHUH ME ROLLIN'" and he sounds like he weighs about 400 pounds.

About half of Pac's songs were ruined by his friends. Seriously, when's the last time you listened to a full Tupac song that featured his friends on it? I understand trying to put on your friends but come on.


As for psps23 or whatever, dude must be Canadian. Baseball > Soccer.


. (PERIOD)

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Dont judge Point Break...

Dont act like you wouldnt go skydiving with the bankrobber who kidnapped your girlfriend.

Hypocrite...jk

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

American Werewolf in London

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Only about six months old

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

red, wasn't being serious, however, my next statement is very serious.

Thank you for your service to this country.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Red, Marine Corps boot camp in '81 was tough. FMJ like.

Malcolm X definitely.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 14, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

TT11 - A never heard a bad song from Tupac and the Outlawz...

And the '7 day theory' was CLASSIC. Food for thought. You don't get albums like that anymore.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Blue Velvet

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 14, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Blueprint 3

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ver seen Poolhall Junkies?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ver seen Poolhall Junkies?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

ok, ok, ok a great question for a sports blog (cause I think that is what this is suppose to be) What is you song? Meaning when you step in the Batter's box what is the PA kickin? Or if yuo are a wrestler like Mista Moe (who started the whole movie discussion) what is your entrance song?
As i already stated picture me rollin - tupac

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

ditto beantown, Red. We are in your debt.

& on the Rap - Del, Q-Tip, Blowfly, De La?

I like my rap w/ some levity!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"Heart of the City (Ain't No Love)" - Jigga Jay-Z

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

CheyenneWY - I would LOVE to take him (I hope it's a him) off your hands.

I don't know about the logistics to getting him here...

Hit me @ rightwaytax@hotmail.com ......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"As for psps23 or whatever, dude must be Canadian."

Puhleeze. Canadians and soccer? That's like putting Kenya and baseball together. They appreciate the sport, but you're putting your eggs in the wrong basket if you're attempting to label that an enthusiast nation.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Bloodhound Gang

A Lapdance is Always Better When The Stripper Is Crying.

One of the five universal truths

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I just heard that Bruce Green for the Capitals has been playing hurt. And no, I am not jumping blogs. This is to add to a point I made last blog about the O-line that really aplies to the whole Redskin Team.

Bruce Green had one of the worst games of his career because he was hurt. The Penguins figured that out and they dusted our butts.

But the point is staying with starters because they are starters and not because they are performing.

Our O-Line uderachieved last year and one of the primary reasons is because we played starters when they were hurt, making mistakes, and non-performing just because they were starters.

That has seemed to be an occurring characteristic of this Team. We cannot continue to play people just because they have been penciled as starters.

If we ever want Kornheiser to bring out the Bandwagon again, then we have to play players based on performance. That applies to the whole Team and not just the O-Line.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 14, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

or crap, how 'bout "Kick In The Door" - BIG

hell anything from BIG or Jay

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately it is a female. She is fixed and chipped.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Truth. Canadians, soccer? You're never right about anything.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Liked Schroeder in PHJ!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Good to know that 15 years later the BIG vs. Pac debate is still going on.

I mean that.

Oh and if you're from the east coast and you like Pac over BIG, come see me, I have your low-ridin', paper rollin', jeri-curl rockin' banishment papers.

Shame on you if you're from the east and you rep Pac over BIG.

It's '94-'97 all over again!

BIG was that dude. Never contradicted himself like Pac did. He thought women for the most part were b*tch*s and H*es (at least though his music) and he kept it that way.

How are you going make a song like "Brenda's Got A Baby" then turn around and make "How Do You Want It".

BIG never made himself to be the hypocrite Tupac was. Besides, he sold his soul to Suge Knight and bought into his beef with Diddy, Bad Boy, and the entire east coast.

Had Pac not been so damn gullible, he and BIG still may be alive. No Pac on Death Row, no east/west/death row/bad boy beefs.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Its Mike Green

The Coach is Bruce Boudreaux

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

well psps23, if you're not Canadian then you're just dumb.

Same difference really...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

And enough about your period. You're more of a COLON.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

oh crap I just realized I said Canadians like soccer.

I had the other lame sport on my mind, hockey.

Whatever, yall been talking about hockey and I got confused.

MLB > hockey > soccer

YOU GET MY DRIFT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Not only is it a mindless game, it's also an unathletic one to boot……….
Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM

So now you’re just back to that?……nevermind.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

anybody got love for Rad

bmx rulez

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Sir, there are no props to be gained by bragging about having been a member of the Miami Heat before Pat Riley took over.--

MISTAMOE

Don't listen to him Dik.

He's obviously unfamiliar with the term "in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is King."

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Blizzard man rules.

Sorry....rulz.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Dang Cheyanne - I'm don't know now. I'll prob pass. What does 'chipped' mean?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

& Sween, can you do that without a 27 B/6?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:11 PM

what is a 7 B/6?

Also, the movie point here was DeNiro movies not all movies.

[SMACK, more disturbing than that would be "Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer" ... or, when we get to live action shorts, "2 Girls, 1 Cup"]

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

How are you going make a song like "Brenda's Got A Baby" then turn around and make "How Do You Want It".

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:24 PM

Because people generally aren't one dimensional. And he wanted to sell records.

I'll let Jay-Z explain:

"The music business hate me
Cause the industry ain't make me
Hustlers and boosters embrace me
And the music i be makin
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyricly
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But i did five Mil)
I ain't been rhymin like Common since"


Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

James Taylor "Steamroller Blues"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

red, wasn't being serious, however, my next statement is very serious.

Thank you for your service to this country.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I second that wholeheartedly.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"So now you’re just back to that?……nevermind.

Posted by: dlhaze1"

My apologies, duty called. Didn't want to leave you hanging though...

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Chipped is that microchip embedded in an animal so if it gets lost or stolen it can be tracked. Almost like built in GPS

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

http://www.aip.org/isns/reports/2009/051309visualillusion.html

pretty cool, the 3 best illusions in the world. #1 is a curveball, and it shows the "secret" of the curveball. Never played baseball at a high level, that's pretty nuts to see.


and yes, Red, that is one thing I can't forgive Pac for. He was so stupid and greedy with the whole fake beef and ended up getting 'em both killed. BIG hardly ever said anything, too, which pisses me off anymore. Not to mention the fact that BIG was 100% real while Pac was a dancer who dumbed down his lyrics to sell. And god, just watch a Tupac video, dude was an actor the last half of his career it seems. Dancing around acting stupid trying to portray that image just to sell. Pretty disgusting.

That was the difference, BIG did some of that with his "pimp" looks that Puffy put him in, but BIG looked unnatural and uncomfortable the whole time. Pac just looked like he enjoys putting on that show cause he was such a good actor. No wonder, Mr. Street Life went to the School for the Gifted...fake...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I have seen way too many references to Two Girls one Cup on here.

Dammit, now I am contributing to the problem.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

i actually thought Shooter was a good movie, Marky Mark is ok in these type of roles

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 14, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

bean/Dik, while I appreciate those statements, at the time I was just looking for a way out of the area for a while a few years back - didn't think it would turn the way it did.

curz, could they put their hands on you like they did in Full Metal Jacket, and if so, whats the craziest thing an instructor did to you?

I think I would've cried on the first day of BT and some drill sergeant hit me. I worry sometimes, does this make US Soldiers soft when it comes to hand to hand combat.

Like, do we have the "guts" to actually order and carry out a bayonet charge, would we win it? I'm not too sure.

Josh Chamberlain is turning over in his grave...

BAYONETS!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

How are you going make a song like "Brenda's Got A Baby" then turn around and make "How Do You Want It".

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:24 PM

"Brand's got a Baby' have to do with 'How do you want it'?

Makes no sense....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

lmao 4th - totally true. Luckily I'm older'n that.

Sween - 27 B/6 is the form that keeps the A/C repairmen from finding DeNiro's illicit patch job...

Henry - deeply disturbing. 2 girls 1 cup fans... don't worry.. it's not the acutal thing or anything that bad.. It's got muppets...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Henry can't be as disturbing as Clockwork, because there will never be a culture of serial killing. You get your Dahmer here, your BTK there. Big deal. They affect fewer people than swine flu.

A culture of deplorable, extreme violence already exists.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

What does "Branda's got a Baby' have to do with 'How do you want it'?

Makes no sense....

Is what I meant to say....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Bukkake Barn

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 14, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The thing with Jay-Z though, if you listen to all his stuff, he never changed his subject matter and he never really changed all that much. Sure he had some crazy fast flows before he even made Reasonable Doubt, but Reasonable Doubt and after, he's been pretty consistent in his style.

The dude is a man of a million flows though, and that seems to be the one thing that is always changing. But look at Jay-Z's radio songs. "H to the Izzo" had grimy lyrics about selling drugs, "99 Problems" was just street as hell. Other than that, he's done a couple songs where he talks about the usual chick stuff, but even then, songs like "Girls, Girls, Girls" had solid flow and interesting/amusing lyrics.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

coming to america


"SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!!!!!!!!"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Larry and others.It's a new offensive scheme.

To have 2 pass receiving TEs. TB is doing it as well with Stevens and Winslow.

Will it be effective and how many snaps it will be used in remains to be seen......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 3:09 PM

Thanks 4thFloor, Something new you do say. Wish you had said the Steelers, or New Eng', woulda' carried more weight.

Football is football and when you put two TE's in the game, that tells me, you got no Fullback.

Again, I would much rather look at improving the play of Mike Sellers than adding a 2nd TE.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 14, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Da trufh be hatin'! Quit sippin the haterade

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I think I would've cried on the first day of BT and some drill sergeant hit me. I worry sometimes, does this make US Soldiers soft when it comes to hand to hand combat."

Depends on the person, the weak ones cant take it and crack, the "normal ones" take it for what it is and move on when they graduate, the ones with that fire burning inside use it for motivation and thrive.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Clerks!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh great, end of day, and ALL the good convo is taking place now...

lh, that doesn't matter. You can sell records and still "keep it real". You cite Jay-Z, Jay-Z caught all types of flack becasue people thought he dissed women too much. Now he could've got in the booth and made a "Brenda's Got A Baby" track, but he didn't.

A song building up women would've put Jay-Z in the 'limest of light', but he already had a stance on women, and he kept it. No matter what women groups were going to protest in front of music stores... As for money goes, I think he made out okay, don't you?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

nah I'm not hating, I like a decent amount of Pac's stuff. He was a good song writer when he wanted to be.

I am mad at him for somewhat indirectly ending the greatest rapper's life way too early (BIG).

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Akeem- "i use no chemicals, only juices and berries."
Mr. Clarence- "Sh!t that ain'n nuthin but ultraperm"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

@ Truth and Red, Tupac was an artist. Why do we require rappers to be "real criminals" or knuckle heads? All rappers are actors. And what's wrong with that? If you like the music vibe to it. I don't care theat Rick Ross was a CO. "Hustlin'" is a banga. The music biz is a 24/7 job and hard to break in. If you are always trying to get on or once you are on you are in the studio making hits (and a lot of unreleasable stuff gets made in the process) or trying to promote your next project you can't be in the street thuggin.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, 4th.

You made my point.

Tupac was THE hypocrite rapper from the 90s. As far as emo rappers go, he was 50 Cent before 50 cent.

Either diss the b*tch*s, or build up our beautiful women.

Don't try and go both ways on the subject or any for that matter.

Boostin' me still with the movies: Coming to America and Clerks? You people are awesome!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure where to draw the distinction, Smack.

We've had both for eons. The more people there are, the more it'll happen in both arenas.

I have to say, they both shake my core & I can't watch either haphazzardly.

_________________

Bak2Rap - since I got my MD phone, I've been getting texts for gallic wars mix tapes. Anyone know whuzzup w/ that?

Also - does anyone do any rap w/ gogo anymore? I miss that beat. It's unique.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Predator

"Got to the Choppa!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

A culture of deplorable, extreme violence already exists.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 4:39 PM

I think we can leave my mother-in-law and her cooking out of this.

I think a two TE set, plus a FB and RB overloading the near center field would be awesome. [How many receivers do I have left?] Send one of the TEs to the deep center after crossing the middle. That's how to bust a 3-4 front. Doesn't require a lot of time for the QB to find one of three shallow receivers. Puts LBs on their heels.

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

if all the fakers just said hey it's fake i don't think people would trip. by the way RR is still saying he's a coke kingpin, which makes you not wanna listen to his music. not b/c i'm disappointed he didn't sell drugs, but b/c he lied about it and continues to lie while caught. Ross is the roger clemens of rap.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Junkyard was huge when I was in High School in PG County. That was the first time I had heard go-go

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Trading Places

"It ain't cool bein no jive turkey so close to thanks giving."

"YEAH"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Red, yeah while I was in bootcamp they could lay their hands on you and boots...

Remember getting my hands stomped on doing push-ups in a sand pit. Most of it was mentally because if your going to break, it's better that you break in bootcamp then in war situation.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

My future step-father's part time job was at Erol's and me and moms use to stop there all the time at the end of his shift and Howard the Duck was in my rotation of Beta Max movies to rent!

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse


Extra Credit points for working in "Erol's" and "BetaMax" references...

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

To expound on my earlier comment...

'Brenda's got a baby' is about a 12 year old having unprotected sex and getting pregnant by an older dude and no one is there to really guide her and she F*#Ks up badly.


'How do you want it' is about sex which all grown ups do. It also doubles as strip joint song.

He talked about everything. Pac said he tried to be a hustler in Oakland, but was terrrible at it. The real hustlers told him don't be a hustler and go out and tell everyone their story. Bring the truth to america.

And that's what he did. And that's why you have so many wideranging songs.

And @ Truth. He didn't end Biggies life. It was bigger than rap. You gotta understand that. Whether right or wrong. The Police officer who killed Biggie had loose connections to Suge. But that ain't Pac. He was already dead and kilt by a gang member from LA.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Also - does anyone do any rap w/ gogo anymore? I miss that beat. It's unique.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 4:49 PM

Check out Wale. He has a free download for his "Mixtape About Nothing." You should be able to find it on-line. He's a local dude so he does a lot over Go-Go beats and he pretty good too.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The one valid distinction btwn Dockery and Kendall is that Dockery has about 3-4 inches on Kendall. Jason Campbell is tall. Cooley and Davis and Yoder are tall. That seems like it should provide an advantage in the short passing game.

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

50 Cent ain't got much room to talk.

Dude admitted that he never really did any drugs.

I'm not saying that's uncool to not do drugs or that only G's can be rappers, but plenty of talented artists don't pretend to be.

The Roots, The Fugees are two quick examples of artists with talent proving you don't need to rap about some crap you don't know.

now, that's not to say I'm not gonna bump me some Eazy E or Wu, who I'm not sure were all as gangsta as they say (minus Ghostface Killah, that dude is street) but you know what I'm saying.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Too many movies for even a top five, maye a top 5 for each genre.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm actually the one that is old-school here then, learned.

I'm taught you don't front on who you are and where you came from.

Rick Ross is okay with me. This is my thing though: Why talk about moving weight out of the Port of Miami and you're a freakin' CO? Okay, so you were a CO, why not own up to that at some point.

Rappers are slamed once their 'street cred' is exposed as fraudulent. There are so many rappers who keep their music in line with who they really are and they're very successful at what they do.

You don't have to sell-out, or "act" to make money. That sh*t sounds like a straight uncle Tom remark right there.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Disappointed to see no one has thrown out "Top Gun", especially with the Snyder-Cruise connection-

"That's right! Ice Man...I am dangerous"

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Tastee Diner on Georgia, anyone?

That big-ol lady bringin' me steak and eggs at 2 in tha AM. "This Ain't Dallas" on the jukebox...

What I wouldn't do for a Little Tavern Deathball now... lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Either diss the b*tch*s, or build up our beautiful women.

Don't try and go both ways on the subject or any for that matter.

.........

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:48 PM

My explaination would be too long to expound on. But I respectfully disagree. Many times, thoes B words are thrown at dudes....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I think if Campbell had confidence in the pocket that it was not going to collapse around him, his accuracy and decision making would improve a ton.

He WILL have a breakout season, and excuse me for saying it, I hope he leaves the Redskins just out of spite. But I think he is way too grounded to do anything out of spite

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 14, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Aliens

Game over Man, what are we going to do now?!

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Ross is the roger clemens of rap.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 4:51 PM

How so? His lyin' doesn't make him a better rapper. In fact, it makes him pretty imaginative to relay images of things he never experienced. And you and I both know if he said he was a CO he would lose "street cred" and his marketability to a segment of the population.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

If sports were mathematics, baseball would be algebra, soccer would be calculus.

PSPS23

Well for openers, sports AREN'T mathematics, altho math obviously serves sports. You don't draw 100K to see a Calculus Contest.

As for calculus, the only familiarity many soccer fans have with its concepts is trying to calculate new and wondrous ways to crack a bottle over an opposing fan's dome.

I get tired of Soccer Apologists acting like theirs is the only intellectual sport around. I've had this discussion with soccer fans and do enjoy Soccer played at the very highest level--occasionally.

But most nil-nil fests aren't worth giving up hours of your time on the planet unless you've got your own six year old on the pitch.

And it doesn't begin to compare to REAL football. Soccer may have sophisticated movements about the field, but, aside from the goalie, it's all similarly sized and similarly skilled people doing essentially one of the two same things. Trying to kick a ball past an opponent or allow a teammate to do so, or prevent it.

In REAL football, think how many different skills and strategies are involved on one play. Take DE. A 260 pound quick twitch athlete tries to set up/or and speed past a 330 pound planet in front of him, and he must keep tabs on 230 pound RB, a 4.4 forty guy on the other side of the field who may end-around, the TE and pulling guards, plus a 215 pound QB who may throw, may hand off, may run, WILL fake.

This DE must also keep tabs on linemen on either side of the tackle in front of him. be aware of his own players and in some formations, drop back and try to guard against a pass.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE POSITION. DB's LBs DT's guards, tackles, TE's WRs, QBs, etc. have different equally complex jobs. They study and prepare for hours--often separate from other specialists.

Why REAL football even has a soccer guy, which they wisely keep off to the side and invite in every so often to, as Alex Karras once put it, "Keeek a touchdown!"

More happens involving more calculations, thought and planning in a sjngle NFL play, than in endless periods of soccer.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sorry I'm late, I had to attend the reading of a will. I had to stay till the very end, and I found out I received nothing... broke my arm."

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Wale, cool - thx Learned He's the guy on Madden '09, right? That's why I was thinking some guys still did it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

50 Cent is the biggest joke on the planet.

This joker got popular by ruining the career of ja rule for singing on all his songs and then this dude turns around and sings on all of his songs.

Worst Rapper Ever

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 14, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Why am I here? Why are you here? Why is anybody here? I think it was Jean-Paul Sartre who once said... how do you spell spell Sartre?

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to sell-out, or "act" to make money. That sh*t sounds like a straight uncle Tom remark right there.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 4:56 PM

Don't your supervisors think you are working.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

More previously sleeping homeless people are probably currently on fire right now than have been killed by serial killers in the history of the planet.

Serial killers are a mere curiosity when compared with our society's descent into this general disregard for human life.

Come on.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Too many movies for even a top five, maye a top 5 for each genre.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 4:55 PM

Not too many DeNiro movies. I say there aren't enough.

The thing about the shallow passing game, esp. over the middle, is that the QB shouldn't even need for the pocket to set up, much less worry about it collapsing. Seems like it should be the quick West Coast game that Zorn seems to seek. I'm not talking dink and dunk (short throws in the flats ... aka Brunellball), I'm saying YAC over the middle with one of two big boys behind the LBs and in front of the safety (or better yet, splitting the corners).

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

More happens involving more calculations, thought and planning in a sjngle NFL play, than in endless periods of soccer.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse


American football is science...Futbol is art!

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Aliens

Game over Man, what are we going to do now?!

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Best Bill Paxton line ever, even with out the F word!

Posted by: TDawg1 | May 14, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

if you want local dc hip hop over go-go beats check out Likeblood Ent. all 3 members really from dc and rep hard for the district.

now bout this

Ross is the roger clemens of rap.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 4:51 PM

How so? His lyin' doesn't make him a better rapper. In fact, it makes him pretty imaginative to relay images of things he never experienced. And you and I both know if he said he was a CO he would lose "street cred" and his marketability to a segment of the population.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse
His lyin gave him the ability to become a multiplatinum rapper. He was signed to trick daddy's label and was kept on the shelf for years. All of a sudden he gets w/def jam and puts out all these coke kingpin records. You are right he probably couldn't have come in the game screamin "I'm a C.O." and get a deal, kinda like people wouldn't pay clemens 22 mil for half a season if he came out screamin " I'm juicin b!tches!"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

In REAL football, think how many different skills and strategies are involved on one play. Take DE. A 260 pound quick twitch athlete tries to set up/or and speed past a 330 pound planet in front of him, and he must keep tabs on 230 pound RB, a 4.4 forty guy on the other side of the field who may end-around, the TE and pulling guards, plus a 215 pound QB who may throw, may hand off, may run, WILL fake.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 5:03 PM

Hey, Cork Approaches Infinity, enough with the physics too.

SMACK, random violence is the new sex. Don't you read? The Supreme Court recently explained the hair on my palms b/c of Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. But its good for me if my neighbors in the District MUST have their handguns!

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm not disagreeing, Smack. You are 100% correct. I'm just saying sociopaths are similar. And I personally wouldn't know the difference between someone who set my car on fire, with me in it, after a dope deal and a neighbor that ate my foot...

To me they just seem totally insane.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

This will be my second year with Season ticket to the Skins. I am HOPING, we do much better than last year. If not, I can still get smashed in the parking lot with plenty of people who feel the same sadness.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 1:27 PM


HILARIOUS! I hear you gator. Isn't the remote lot tailgating the BEST? "Got to drink.... TO FOR-GET!" (can't remember what song that was from but think of it nearly every time I tailgate)

Posted by: therearenonamesleft | May 14, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

If sports were mathematics, baseball would be algebra, soccer would be calculus.

PSPS23

And beanie's boston beans claims I ruin this blog? Not hardly ... :)

First of all the word algebra is from the Arabic it means "to break apart".

Calculus on the other hand is all about joining two disparate branches of mathematics together. The geometry of the Greeks with the Algebra of the Arabs. So, Calculus might be best defined as a circle, the veritable archetype of infinity, defined as infinite, miniscule, tangents shifting one small increment at a time to create that circle. In other words "broken apart".

I guess I don't exactly see the correspondence with sports ... but whatever ... :)

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Man I hope it's not anybody's first day here.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh - and what kind/amount of cred does T.I. now get for "doing the time"?

Now he seems to get the 'street' thing re-secured and now the 'new-leaf' thing too. Was it staged?

I'm not familiar w/ tha particulars.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, & how's THIS for cred:

"George Bush hates black people!"

...aweosme

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The 2 girls (of 1 cup fame) have crud cred.

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"George Bush hates black people!"
...aweosme
Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009

I don't think that was ever true. I don't think that is something one could ever say about him.

Now, if you said "George Bush hates poor people, thinks they are all lazy and shifless". I tend to agree.

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

periculum is from the Latin "what the hell am I talking about?"

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

periculum is from the Latin "what the hell am I talking about?"

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009

Close ... but no cigar. Its from the movie "the Robe". It means to ask as Richard Burton did "were you ... out there?"

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Favorite movie? That Discovery Channel show where the killer whales, sea lions, and polar bears eat penguins.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 14, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

kinda like people wouldn't pay clemens 22 mil for half a season if he came out screamin " I'm juicin b!tches!"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 5:13 PM

Trick Daddy signed him (presumably cash was involved) for some reason like maybe he could rap. A lot of artist sit on the shelf until someone comes along a finds a way to market them. It's not always about talent.

And you do know that Roger Clemens was a great pitcher long before he started juicin'. He did roids to sustain himself late in his career.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm no Trekkie nerd, but my mom is and we both loved it equally. Great movie!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009

YOUR MOM!!!???

Okay we need a poll to determine who is a kid and who is an adult. Then we need to find out who the kids' mothers think is "chick crack":

The new Captain Kirk.
The new Scotty.
Mark Sanchez.
Jay Cutler.
Vinny Cerrato. ~smiles~

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

That Discovery Channel show where the killer whales, sea lions, and polar bears eat penguins.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 14, 2009

IMAX capable.

I like the Spike Channel's Xtreme fighting segment featuring people off the street. The two college fraternity presidents was hilarious.

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Jimminny Christmas,

Th-th-th-this place is totally out of control!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 14, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

If sports were mathematics, baseball would be algebra, soccer would be calculus.

PSPS23

since when is 1-0 algebra or calculus ... heck, its not even kindergarten

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 14, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Th-th-th-this place is totally out of control!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 14, 2009 6:04


Most entertaining blogging in quite awhile!

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"What does the two tight end set mean for Mike Sellars?"


Usually, it means both girls expect to be paid before they leave the hotel room.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Boston College senior linebacker Mark Herzlich disclosed today that he has been diagnosed with Ewing's Sarcoma, a malignant tumor most often found in bone or soft tissue.

He's really good. That's such a shame. I don't know much about this type but I hope he can survive and recover.

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Philosophical question: Do you support the notion of taking the "best player available" in the draft?


For the record, I don't... unless your team has no major weaknesses. Teams don't do that when they sign free agents or make trades, so why draft that way?

Thoughts? Opinions?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 14, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts? Opinions?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 14, 2009

Depends on the round & the talent level still on the board. If its early in rd 1 then you make sure you get someone who can get on the field soon. If its a late round you go for who you think can make the team and contribute at least on ST instead of going after a specific need if theres no talent really left at it.

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"More happens involving more calculations, thought and planning in a sjngle NFL play, than in endless periods of soccer.
Posted by: TheCork"

Endless periods? Hardly. Play vs. play, sure, I agree with that. The difference is while one player has to keep in mind his specific roles in football, such as you described with the DE, EVERY player has to keep in mind EVERY role in soccer.

You can try and simplify soccer all you want, but the amount of calculation that goes into one pass DOES go beyond the casual observer. (Brace for soccer terminology) A simple angled entry pass into a checking striker (meaning a 'forward' running directly towards you, away from goal) will draw a center defender from his backline. You've just created a gap in the last line of defense for the opponent, which can be exploited one of two ways:

(1) if the weakside defender remains stationary, you have central midfielder provide and angled run straight through that gap. He gets behind the defense without running offside due to the rest of the defense retaining it's line as the central defender gets drawn up, and you've got the chance for a clean break up the field for an attack on goal. This would entail the original entry pass into the striker, would require the striker to lay the ball off to a deeper lying player, usually a midfielder, then that midfielder being able to place a cleanly weighted pass into the vacated space for the other running midfielder to run onto, without overhitting it so that the keeper can make a play on the ball.

(2) if the weakside defender shifts over and covers, as he should, that provides an entire vacated space on the far side of the field. Your wide midfielder to the vacated side of the field is your primary target if this is the case, but generally speaking, the opposing wide midfielder will run with him, vacating the space in front of the backline on the weak side of the field. In that scenario, your wide defender would likely take that space. It's up to the receiving striker to determine whether his wide midfielder has his man beat on his run, or whether he should have to lay the ball off to his wide defender as a last resort.

continued...

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"Colonel I just have one final question,if you gave an order that Santiago was'nt to be touched,and your orders are always followed,then why would Santiago need to be moved off the base?"The courtroom scene between Cruise and Nicholson is unmatched in any movie,even almost 20 years later.

Posted by: smittdiddy | May 14, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

...continued

Of course, he has to determine whether or not it's in his interest to even attempt that "switch of the field" with a centerback riding his back, hacking at his ankles, ready to clean him out at the first sign of the ball. To be able to protect the ball from the defender, spin away from pressure, keep the ball under control, and ensure you have enough room to play the ball once you do spin away is no chore. Compound that difficulty with reading which way the centerback is angling you, how the weakside wide defender is reacting to his CB pushing up, how your attacking midfielder is making his run based on the wide defender, how the opposite wide midfielder is making his run based on your attacking midfielder, how the opposing wide midfielder is attempting to match that run, and how your wide defender is moving to support you based on your wide midfielder's decision. Then you've got to make a choice. In a split-second.

But first, you've got to make the original check run. And of course, all of this is going through your head even before you decide to make that run.

And that's one pass. It happens countless times a game. And at any moment, that thought process can immediately switch on or off to another equally detailed set of principles, depending on turnovers, field position, team balance, changed formations, opponent movement, etc., etc.

So while the scripted plays designed weeks and months and years in advance for American football are impressively intricate for 10 second intervals, I'd say the infinite number of ever-changing scenarios and decisions made on a split-second basis for 45+ minutes straight take a slightly harder mental toll.

Besides, I wasn't even arguing against football. It was baseball I was after.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

And wow, you guys are having some fun with the algebra-calculus analogy.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Picking one favorite movie is impossible,like choosing one favorite song.There is too much genius to choose from.Maybe a top ten or even five for some people.Any movie that makes me look at the watch because I dont want it to end is my favorite,ala,Forest Gump,Saving pvt.Ryan,Apocalypto,Red Dawn,Jaws,Star Wars,American Graffiti,American Beauty,Caddyshack,I loved Iron Man,just to name a few.A better question is What is the most underappreciated movie ever?

Posted by: mark65 | May 14, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Breaking great - fantastic news - Maryland basketball lost out on a possible great recruit - Deshawn Painter announced he is going to NC State.

Maryland football will finish with a 2-10 record in 2009.

Maryland basketball will finish with a 15-16 record in 2009-10 -- No NCAA bid - No NIT bid.

Gary Williams is probably on the golf course.

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels

Posted by: hclark1 | May 14, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Philosophical question: Do you support the notion of taking the "best player available" in the draft?


For the record, I don't... unless your team has no major weaknesses. Teams don't do that when they sign free agents or make trades, so why draft that way?

Thoughts? Opinions?

Posted by: Alan4

You look for needs 2 years out and draft best available player that fits those needs. Since most teams have multiple needs looking out 2 years, its reasonable to expect that most teams will have sewveral position choices. ie draft Brian Orakpo

This year's Skins, looking out 2 years, need most of an OL, DEs, LBs, WR. ie don't draft Jordan Palmer and Colt Brennan

Come next year, its likely that most of those voids will still be there. Plus, we'll have to see about players like Moss, ARE, Rogers, Portis and Campbell. ie next year, drafting OL, WRs and RBs will likely make sense

You can weight that further by looking at other factors. How valuable that position is within your scheme? How big is the upgrade in case of a near term upside? How likely it is that a FA could be found? A punter probably isn't as important as a RT for this team. A great nose tackle isn't as important in a 4-3 scheme. ie don't draft durant brooks

Further, if you have a young player (under 30 for most spots) that is above average at his position and there are no extenuating circumstances (excessive contract, injury prone, shots self), consider that a solved problem. ie don't draft Fred Davis.

On the Skins draft this year, its pretty clear they messed up. Orakpo, as best available at a position of need made sense. After that. A TE? A CB? No OL? wtf?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 14, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

psps23

All that strategy in soccer and still ends up 0-0. Even the 1-0 games are often decided on own goals.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 14, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I don't... unless your team has no major weaknesses. Teams don't do that when they sign free agents or make trades, so why draft that way?

Thoughts? Opinions?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 14, 2009 6:36 PM | ============================================

Given that knowing who the "best player available" happens to be is a crapshoot/forecasting exercise, I say no.

If there's a large enough gap between those considered in the group "bpa" and the group "fits our needs", then sure you should think about it.

But how often is that the case?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 14, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the Miami Heat - back in da dey.

Go ahead, ask me what I played!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:27 PM =============================================

FWIW I saw this at work, and if I could have logged in, guitar was my guess.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 14, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

The only way Davis makes a significant impact is if Cooley goes down with an injury.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 14, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the Miami Heat - back in da dey.

Go ahead, ask me what I played!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 2:27 PM =============================================

FWIW I saw this at work, and if I could have logged in, guitar was my guess.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya *****

program editor?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 14, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"What does the two tight end set mean for Mike Sellars?"

Usually, it means both girls expect to be paid before they leave the hotel room.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 6:30 PM |

He gets better terms than most of us. Usually they want to be paid before they enter the hotel room.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 14, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the Miami Heat - back in da dey.
Go ahead, ask me what I played!
Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2009 =====================================

FWIW I saw this at work, and if I could have logged in, guitar was my guess.
Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya *****

program editor?
Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 14, 2009

Best Boy?

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I voted for imperative Fred Davis involvement, by the way.

I think we will be lucky to field two WRs who are a threat this year (as opposed to just one, like last year).

Three WRs? Seems like a pipe dream, at least for now.

Fred Davis looks to me to be the best of the Three Amigos (Sleepy, Dopey, and No-knee).

So let's maximize the impact and put him and Cooley on the field more.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 14, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Davis can block. He is potentially a better Seller's at that position. Has sure hands, is good at catching tough balls, some leaping ability, decent speed.

Makes him valuable in 2 phases of the offense. Instead of the Yoder - Cooley split you have 1 guy who can play every down.

So, you move Cooley out of the traditional TE role. That's a good problem for Zorn to have.

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

American football is science...Futbol is art!

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 5:12 PM

I'll grant you this. Futbol has this is common with art. It's about as exciting as watching paint dry.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, 4th.

You made my point.

Tupac was THE hypocrite rapper from the 90s. As far as emo rappers go, he was 50 Cent before 50 cent.

Either diss the b*tch*s, or build up our beautiful women.

Don't try and go both ways on the subject or any for that matter.

Let me put it like this...You gotta Momma right? Do you have an ex-Wife? Ok so I would right to totally different songs for those women so how is that fake or hypocritical? One is a Queen and one is a B. plain and simple

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Fred's senior year at usc he was voted best te in college fb. He graded well at the combine and seems like a hard worker. the only minuses i've heard about him is that he overslept once and plays the same position as our current pro bowler. i think he'll be alright this year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Endless periods? Hardly. Play vs. play, sure, I agree with that. The difference is while one player has to keep in mind his specific roles in football, such as you described with the DE, EVERY player has to keep in mind EVERY role in soccer.

You can try and simplify soccer all you want, but the amount of calculation that goes into one pass DOES go beyond the casual observer. (Brace for soccer terminology).. --.PSPS

I SURRENDER!!!

If there is anything duller than watching soccer it's reading an analysis of it's alleged strategy.

I have watched soccer. And what goes into MOST passes is a mistake. Or a turnover, or the wind grabbing the durn thing, or the guy passing it, tripping over some guy writhing in "agony" hoping the guy who hit his toenail gets a Yellow card.

And is there a stupider sport when it comes to settling ties? I don't think so. After ninety minutes of nilnilishment, it turns into a psychic contest. Which goalie can read the mind of the kicker best? Four years of prep for that crud?

Yeah, occasionally, it looks like Soccer players know what they are doing. Sometimes they even approach the art of synchronized swimming, or a Village People number, or those ribbon twirling gymnasts in the Olympics.

Square dancers have to know where everyone else is too, or they collide. And they are snappier dressers than Soccer players.

But the rest of the time it's one Pass forward, two passes back. Interception. Long kick the other way. Striker falls down. Ref adjusts shorts. Blows whistle for no apparent reason. Six grown men then grab their junk while another guy tries to turn them into transexuals.

Meanwhile in the stands the bored fans are singing. Outside, British intellectuals, who've given up attending Chess finals for this, are tearing up a bar, attacking police in formations cleverer than most Soccer rushes, and drinking themselves into a stupor.

I think the deal is, to fully appreciate the beauty and science and art and to really care where all the players are on the pitch, you have to be stoned out of your gourd.

I don't drink nearly as much as I used to. That may be why I don't appreciate it.


Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Fred's senior year at usc he was voted best te in college fb. He graded well at the combine and seems like a hard worker. the only minuses i've heard about him is that he overslept once and plays the same position as our current pro bowler. i think he'll be alright this year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009

Cooley's blocking purportedly is pretty weak. On passing plays he is mostly out in patterns. On running plays he doesn't have much of an effect. And that side, the right tackle side is a very weak one these 2 or 3 years. Davis would be an upgrade. Cooley admits that he is more of a "h-back" type player.

Sellers is the fullback. And a really huge one at that. In that role he is hard to replace. Davis is someone who is a strong blocker that can actually catch and hold onto balls, get loose in the open field.

Cooley could have been expendable this year. Someone to offer teams who need pass catchers for those draft picks the Skins frittered away. Instead the 3 Amigos had a very inauspicious 1st year.

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey you guys, if you don't like soccer, that's perfectly fine. It's not for everyone, like me and Superhero movies. It's oookay. Not everyone can watch the open ocean for hours because a whale jumps now and then. I can, as long as there are no commercials.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

For once, I agree with periculum...if Davis has a good year, Cooley is expendable.

Posted by: rickyroge | May 14, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

i don't think he'll be expendable. valuable and tradeable but not necessarily expendable. yoder would be expendable cooley would be a good bargaining chip, but a player we could keep and still get pro bowl level production form.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Since I dont really care about Fred Davis until he produces in a game I'll give my $.02 on the most important topic of the day.

Pac>>Big

2Pac was the greatest ever at translating emotions on wax. You just FELT whatever he was talking about. And thats why I listen to music. To put me in a certain mood or to relate to a mood Im already in.

Biggie was great as a storyteller but he really had no depth. Grew up broke, robbed and sold drugs (version differs from street hustler to Frank White Kingpen), got money, blew up, money, clothes, and hos. Mixed in some suicidal thoughts and Thats about it.

Pac gave you everything. Whether you feelin a lil bit gangsta and wanna smack somebody, if you out at the club and wanna catch a beotch, gettin a lil sentimental thinkin about your mom, or whether you feeling political and wanna change the world. And everything in between. Most of us go through a wide range of these emotions over the course of a given day, week, etc. To call Pac hypocritical is like denying the human experience.

Both were great and its a shame that we lost both so young. But if Im takin one over the other its 2Pac hands down. I have plenty of both on my ipod but I rarely listen to Biggie now unless its a freestyle from a mixtape or somehting. But I listen to "7 Day Theory", "All Eyes on Me", and one of the 1,000 "unreleased" songs from Pac all the time.

RIP Pac, Biggie, and Sean Taylor.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 14, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Big only put out two ablums. It was impossible to show the growth that pac showed from those 1st albums; that were so-so, to his classics (all eyez on me, makavelli, etc.) Big had 2 classics in his first two albums that's all there is to it.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

2 hour Gray's anatomy, tonight.. eeshhh. lobotomy..

Speaking of Cooley...Anyone guess why Cooley went from 8 tds per year average to 1 only last year.. Its a weird stat because he had the highest yardage ever in his career...
Was it JC's red zone problems??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 14, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I've been pretty rude, all us Redskins fans workin' latrine duty get ugly sometimes, my bad..But anybody else dislike the perrenial Lotrimin ad where the dude erases the athelete's foot clad in Skins colors with his Lotrimin spray?? Or the Tough Actin' Tinactin dude with Skins colors gets the zap?? Are these ads symptoms of a larger hatred of the Skins , or are the Skins being used as a subliminal hatred of the government in DC (sorry, Hogettes)..Jus' sayin'...

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he defense of the opposing team knew about JC's affinity for the Cooley-man around the redzone. But cooley also used to make more plays in the open field and after the catch, last year was just an overall down year. Except for the hated clinton portis who put up his second highest yardage total as a redskin.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

For once, I agree with periculum...if Davis has a good year, Cooley is expendable.

Posted by: rickyroge

jeez, how many Pro Bowl players do we have? We're fine at TE. For the next 5 years. Drafting Fred Davis was a major mistake. I've seen Cooley line up as a WR and he's just not a WR.

But as to what to do with Fred Davis? He's apparently got too much talent to sit on a bench, so trade him. Not really any other choices.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 14, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Scapegoats "R" Us, a profitable business..

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Its Snyder hatred.. Most of the country hates the Snyder/Skins..so attacking or destroying the Skins colors probably offended the least in the Agency's creative focus group.
We're the pathetic East Coast version of the Al Davis Raiders.
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Okay, I've been pretty rude, all us Redskins fans workin' latrine duty get ugly sometimes, my bad..But anybody else dislike the perrenial Lotrimin ad where the dude erases the athelete's foot clad in Skins colors with his Lotrimin spray?? Or the Tough Actin' Tinactin dude with Skins colors gets the zap?? Are these ads symptoms of a larger hatred of the Skins , or are the Skins being used as a subliminal hatred of the government in DC (sorry, Hogettes)..Jus' sayin'...

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2009 10:26 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 14, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Was it JC's red zone problems??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 14, 2009 10:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure famine, pestilence, and disease are JC's fault.

Happy now, a**hole?

Why don't you just go to the Cowgirl blog and stay there.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 14, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Cooley mentioned 2 unrepaired torn meniscus' in one knee.. in a recent youtube his brother did..
Wonder if that effected his YAC's?
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Posted by: frak | May 14, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he defense of the opposing team knew about JC's affinity for the Cooley-man around the redzone. But cooley also used to make more plays in the open field and after the catch, last year was just an overall down year. Except for the hated clinton portis who put up his second highest yardage total as a redskin.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 10:27 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 14, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Jason has got to be the laziest sportswriter in history and the highest paid per word. All he can come up with is some dumb one paragraph poll day after day?

Posted by: nativedc | May 14, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Cooley mentioned 2 unrepaired torn meniscus' in one knee.. in a recent youtube his brother did..
Wonder if that effected his YAC's?
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Posted by: frak | May 14, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he defense of the opposing team knew about JC's affinity for the Cooley-man around the redzone. But cooley also used to make more plays in the open field and after the catch, last year was just an overall down year. Except for the hated clinton portis who put up his second highest yardage total as a redskin.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 10:27 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 14, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

HEY, MAN, I'm reporting abuse RIGHT NOW, I think Cooley is great, he's held the offense together during dark times, I NEVER posted that bullsh*t on his knee, you Lotrimin, I LOVE Cooley (in a normal hero, non gay way, of course)..

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Whats your problem...didnt mean to offend what appears to be a strange obsession.... are you his agent or mother?
JC was only a small part of the Skins reason for ending in last place with a Red Zone efficiency that was 24th in the league. And a equal portion of the blame could be that JC was only getting 2 seconds from the OLine in a passing situation.. Thats tough enough at mid field, where the WR's have more room to separate.. Inside the 20 its nearly impossible to separate in 2 seconds in a compressed defensive backfield..
So lighten up thunder pants.. It wasnt all JC's fault and your binky is still a Redskin... until Danny can find a willing GM to pull off a trade..if it ever happens..
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Was it JC's red zone problems??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 14, 2009 10:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure famine, pestilence, and disease are JC's fault.

Happy now, a**hole?

Why don't you just go to the Cowgirl blog and stay there.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 14, 2009 10:42 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 14, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

"Big only put out two ablums. It was impossible to show the growth that pac showed from those 1st albums; that were so-so, to his classics (all eyez on me, makavelli, etc.) Big had 2 classics in his first two albums that's all there is to it."

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Pac and Big were within a year of each other age wise so they both had pretty much the same amount of time to put out work. Plus, even though his first couple of albums were so so(mostly b/c of production) Pac still showed depth, in terms of subject matter, from the beginning.

Big had almost 3 years in between albums, and the depth was not there. Great flow, great delivery. But the depth of 2Pac was not there and there is no indication that there every would be.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 14, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you just go to the Cowgirl blog and stay there.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 14, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Alright, f*ck, CAN'T TRUST JACK SH*T ANYMORE, YOU F*CKIN' WEBMEISTERS ARE ALL ASLEEP UNTIL IT THREATENS YOUR MONKEYA** CORNER, OR THE "WAPO"...B*O*R*I*N*G*..peaceout

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Jason has got to be the laziest sportswriter in history and the highest paid per word. All he can come up with is some dumb one paragraph poll day after day?

Posted by: nativedc | May 14, 2009 10:51 PM

Yep. This gig gets more vacation than any job i've ever seen. pretty sweet if you can get it. 3/4 of year is vacation and the other 1/4 cover NFL.

Posted by: toohoes | May 14, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, where's it written you have to have a sjktty job?

All of the Boston teams lost tonight. Hopefully Tom Brady is skydiving in the Hawaiian Islands today.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

"I SURRENDER!!!
Posted by: TheCork"

Checkmate. Muahahaha.

It doesn't bother me in the least that certain people can't appreciate the sport. It takes a level of devotion, commitment, and passion that surpasses the 10 second attention span of the average jock-toting American sports nut.

Just know that, as a multi-sport athlete, I'm not lyin' when I say it takes a modicum of intellectual capacity to enjoy the game. It doesn't gotta be a war of words whenever a soccer fan brings up the point. It's like the bitter locals resenting the college students the moment they venture off campus. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing. No need to dwell on the reasons you decided not to join the party.

Posted by: psps23 | May 15, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Wow, what a day up here. Nice work, errybody.

Still bummed about the friggin' Caps. Ah well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 15, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, the sportsbog found Zorny answering questions about Snyder on a radio show in LA. Where is everyone on RI? Creating polls?

Hope the Nationals do well on this homestand but with the pitching the way it is now ...

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Just know that, as a multi-sport athlete, I'm not lyin' when I say it takes a modicum of intellectual capacity to enjoy the game. It doesn't gotta be a war of words whenever a soccer fan brings up the point. It's like the bitter locals resenting the college students the moment they venture off campus. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing. No need to dwell on the reasons you decided not to join the party.

Posted by: psps23

I like it when Brandi rips her shirt off

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 15, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

like it when Brandi rips her shirt off
Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 15, 2009

Sports bras ... what a great invention.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Given Seller's complaints about his compensation, perhaps you'll see Cooley swinging out of the backfield on passing downs. It is what he claims he is best at.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Cooley mentioned 2 unrepaired torn meniscus' in one knee.. in a recent youtube his brother did...

He had to know he was potential trade bait. Kept linking him with Campbell trades, Sanchez trades, Cutler trades. I think he tried not to get traded.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

psps:"It doesn't bother me in the least that certain people can't appreciate the sport. It takes a level of devotion, commitment, and passion that surpasses the 10 second attention span of the average jock-toting American sports nut."

I was particularly impressed by the devotion, ocmmitment, and passion of those 694 drunken eejits riding with me on the train out to Wembley.

Let me assure you, those guys were devotees of 'the beautiful game'.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 15, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

"YOUR MOM!!!???

Okay we need a poll to determine who is a kid and who is an adult. Then we need to find out who the kids' mothers think is "chick crack":

The new Captain Kirk.
The new Scotty.
Mark Sanchez.
Jay Cutler.
Vinny Cerrato. ~smiles~


Posted by: periculum"

yeah I took my mom to see a movie on Mother's Day

sorry I can afford to buy and make breakfast for my parents and then take one of them out to a movie on Mother's Day.

Is that not cool enough for you? Should I still be acting like a teenager and thinking that "hanging out with your parents is stupid!!!"?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

back to BIG > Pac

as someone said, BIG had two 10/10 classics, including one double album. Pac had some classic material but also a lot of crap (see most of the songs with his boys featured on it)


so if we're looking percentage-wise

I'd say Pac had like 40% classic stuff, which isn't a knock. Maybe someone could argue to 50% or even 60%, but off the top of my head I'd guess about 40%

BIG had about 90% if not 95%. Pac's lyricism and wordplay could not compare to BIG's at all. I'm willing to give you that Pac had "more emotion" as my friend always points out, but being loud doesn't always = more emotion.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

also that sucks for that Herzlith LB from BC, hate to think about something other than his illness right now but damn he should've jumped to the NFL last year. He would've been a third/fourth round pick if not higher.

Hope he returns at a high level, he's a darn good player.


And before anyone says anything, I'm not judging the dude on just his football talent, I just don't know anything else about 'em.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I would like to offer my 2 cents on the Big vs. Pac debate.

Firstly, they are two different types of media stars and shouldn't be directly compared. Big was straight up rap. Pac was cross-media and had to tap different mediums to maintain and drive his success. (anyone see that film w/ Jim Belushi?! good lord what a mess).

That being said - Pac put out some real clunkers. He has to be held accountable for that. What did Big do that tanked? I can't think of anything...

It seems that this debate will always be east coast vs. west coast and it really shouldn't be.

Maybe Dre is a better representative for WC?... oh... wait... I forgot the Funky Funky Flute... eeegh.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 15, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

What a crap-tastic night I had. Driving home, listened to the Sox lose in extra's while David Ortiz seems to forgotten how to play, softball team lost, and I seem to have forgotten how to play as well, go out to dinner with the team and watch the celtics lose with Ray Allen seemingly playing with a blindfold on, then go home and watch the bruins lose in extra's.

Not huge in the scope of life, but man did it suck.........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"...I would like to offer my 2 cents on the Big vs. Pac debate...."


My opinion is that both of them are dead.

Biggie's music and style still resonant with so many rappers.

Rapper's didn't use puns and metonomy until Biggie used them to spin from one section of verse to another.

Pac got famous after he died--plain and simple.

Pac got the whole tatoo thing going, though.

And let's move on from talking about the old and discussing the new.

I gave Lupe Fiasco's "The Cool" a listen to this morning while driving to work.

Lupe's style, use of language, insight, and delivery are on point.

Lupe is the best rapper nobody listens to. He is what Kanye West was until he got caught up in trying to sing using auto-tune.

I wonder how Fred Davis feels about this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I liked Lupe's first album a lot, but I haven't listened to his second or third albums much.

I was really into The Carter, but by god Lil Wayne managed to fall off almost as bad as 50 and Eminem.

Speaking of Eminem, all the new songs from his CD have the same problems. The beats are fine if not really good, the lyrics are solid, but he's using that stupid teenager whining voice. Eminem is freaking garbage nowadays and it sucks cause the dude has more talent than most.

I'm just waiting for The Blueprint 3, jigga Jay-Z!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

lmao, Moe

u sure u ain't Truth today?! hahaha.

Oh & whoever told me to listen to Asher Roth - please take it back, lol. I thought it was Jessie James or Beck.

Definitely like Lupe. And yes, Kanye, the guy from american idol sings your stuff better.. hahahahahahaha...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 15, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

also Greg, LOL @ the Celtics, bunch of punks!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I never really got the lil wayne thing. I always thought Juvenile woulda broke outta that group stronger. I always like the think-headedness of the Hot Boys.. kinda reminded me of 2Live in that way (obviously they didn't try the joker angle)

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 15, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Juve was my favorite from Cash Money until The Carter came out, but now he's still my favorite. He has a new CD that either just came out or is about to come out.

Juve's 400 Degreez remains one of my all-time favorites to this day. Just a great tape.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Bean

Let's talk a lil baseball.

The Sawx and Yanks are creeping up the AL East Standings and one of the teams will soon pass the Blue Jays because, well, the Toronto Blue Jays are just that--a bunch of dead birds.

Over the next month, the Yanks plays Minn., Bal., Tex., and Phil: combined record to date, 69-67.

Over the next month, the Sawx play Seattle, Toronto, Mets, Minn.: combined record 76-63.

The Yanks getting A Rod and having Big Tex turn on at the plate combined with playing a soft schedule means at some point the Yanks make a move.

The Sawx playing a tougher schedule means they have a fight to 1st place on their hands, but they will be in 1st place when the Sawx and the Yanks meet up in Aug at Yankee stadium.

This sets us up for some good games and drama over the summer. We both play middling National league teams, too btw.

So don't let your Celts/softball worries get you down.

'Cuz you know like I do, Yanks v. Sawx in September/Ocotber with the division title on the line will get you right back up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

truth, talk to me when the magic win the series...which they wont....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Hey, did Ja Rule have a trak called "The Message"? I'm trying to find this trak w/ some really cool etherial geetar on it that he does & I think that's it... not sure tho.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 15, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

moe, I'm officially worried about Ortiz, he looks deader than roadkill. How does he fall off like that, so fast?? I mean, I don't know how you can come to any other conclusion other than he was obviously on something, and now is not.

I mean, given the state of baseball, and their lack of a 'true' testing policy, no one, not Pedrioia, not Jeter, not anyone, would surprise me, as being on the juice.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

From Redskins.com:

Jon Jansen begins his 11th season in Washington competing for the job that seemingly always has been his.

Needless to say, Jansen is not giving up starting at right tackle without a fight.

“I believe it’s my job,” Jansen told Larry Michael on a recent broadcast of ‘Redskins Nation’ on Comcast SportsNet. “And I believe I’m going to go out and prove that it’s my job.”

For the first time in his career, Jansen faces stiff competition heading into training camp.

Stephon Heyer and newcomers Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges have all been mentioned as candidates to play right tackle.

Heyer is perhaps Jansen’s biggest competition.


Jon Jansen (Getty Images)Heyer won the right tackle job coming out of preseason last year, in part because he was deemed better in pass protection. Heyer suffered a shoulder injury in Week 3, allowing Jansen to come in and re-claim his position.

Heyer has said this offseason that, after two years as a spot starter at right and left tackle, he feels ready to win a [starting] job” in 2009.

Jansen welcomes the competition.

“This is a game of competition and it’s a business of competition,” he said. “If I wasn’t competing with somebody, then maybe I’m not going to be at the same level that I could be if I was competing. So there’s that added pressure to take that next step forward.

“And I’m really taking that next step forward, and doing everything I can do because I know it is a competition.”

Jansen, 33, has heard comments from media and fans that he’s too old and that his skills are declining. He understands there’s concern after he has undergone surgery to repair season-ending foot injuries in 2004 and 2007.

His response?

“It has motivated me to do better,” he said. “I’m in better shape than I’ve been in a long time, and that’s really because I’ve had two years to get to this point to recover from my last injury.

“I really believe the right tackle job is going to be mine, and that’s the attitude I’m going on with.”

Jansen proved how well he can play after he re-claimed the starting job last year. He helped Clinton Portis rush for 100+ yards in his first five games starting at right tackle.

Overall, Jansen opened 11-of-14 games in 2008, missing two due to a sprained knee.

For his career, he has started 123-of-126 regular season games and four postseason contests.

He has served as the right tackle for the top four rushing performances in franchise history: Portis, 1,516 yards in 2005; Portis, 1,487 in 2008; Stephen Davis, 1,432 in 2001; and Davis, 1,405 in 1999.

As for pass protection, Jansen knows he must prove to coaches he can improve on his performance last year in Jim Zorn’s offense.

“The way preseason ended last year--I don’t want to say it lit a fire under me, because I had a fire to begin with,” Jansen said. “Maybe it opened my eyes to the fact that maybe there are some things I need to show the coaches that I wasn’t showing them or there are things I need to work on.”

Posted by: skinfanman | May 15, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

dikShuttle

"Oh & whoever told me to listen to Asher Roth - please take it back, lol"

I like Asher Roth.

4 middle tracks on the cd-- "The Lounge," "As I Em," "I Like College," especially--are ok.

Roth is like EMINEM but his delivery allows you to hear and comprehend a clever rhyme where EM's style is so fast and chaotic, you miss a lot of what his flow is giving you.

And EM could learn to use his voice a little differently, too. He doesn't use subtle pauses and breaks so the depth of his verse sinks into your mind.

Asher Roth, though, has a future. The beats and music mix on the cd is very well done. EM's career is behind him.

Sorry you didn't like.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

bean

Talk about coincidence.

I was just chatting up a Sawx fan and he's the one who complained that Papi looks like a shell of himself.

Better yet, Papi looks like what Giambi and Brady Anderson did after they got outed for using the "needle".

I hope Papi is clean.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'll give it another chance - just the whole college thing brings back nightmares of Jessie James.. lol.

I do appreciate the recommendation, however.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 15, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

yeah, Em's career is pretty much over. Him and 50 are just awful now. It's like they don't even try anymore. 50 Cent's probably the worst. He'll get on a track and say some lame junk like "Well I got a big stack of money" over and over on the hook and ramble on about absolutely nothing in the verses. Em at least has some funny lines.

haven't listened to much Asher Roth but I heard one song while I temporarily had satellite radio, which is AWESOME by the way, with Asher and Jada Kiss I think, it was pretty darn good.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

If there is anything duller than watching soccer it's reading an analysis of it's alleged strategy.
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I don't drink nearly as much as I used to. That may be why I don't appreciate it.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 9:11 PM |

Brilliant writing on soccer, Cork. Accurate description and level-headed, even-handed analysis. Now, for some fun, go post it on the D. C. United blog.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

good to hear JJansen is motivated, hopefully that amounts to something.

moe, how can you come to any other conclusion?? I know he had a 'wrist' injury last year, but guys with average stuff are putting him away with ease....its just way to much of a dropoff to me. Ortiz, Abreau, Tejada, all these guys suddenly can't play....sorry, I don't buy it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"...moe, u sure u ain't Truth today?!"


Sir, I am 100% Moe.

No artifical perservatives or additives.

Your equating me with The Truth, though, doesn't offend.

TheTruth is an admirable fellow who likes all things Georgia.

He supports UGA.

Moe supports places called Cheetah's and Club Booty Call.

Moe exists in Palm Beach Coutny Fla. where old people still out number foreclosed properties.

I drive by Rush Limbaugh's mansion up on County Road from time to time to ask him to stop stealing my lines.

Oprah's house is my neighborhood and me and Stedman play madden in the guesthouse on nights when Gayle King and Miss O want to 'hangout'.

Me and Trump hit the same clubs and occasionally I make sure he gets in past security.

They don't know him. But they know moe.

And that's the truth.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"If there is anything duller than watching soccer it's reading an analysis of it's alleged strategy."

100% agree. I read maybe one sentence but I don't think I even finished that before I bypassed it for BIG/Pac talk.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

lmao, MOe - I'm ex 305 now mysef.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 15, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

In my search for Rap, R&B w/ Gogo beats I can accross this piece of magic:

one OTHER thing

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 15, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

BIG/Pac/Rap Talk >>> Soccer Pimpin'

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Lupe Fiasco?

Love 'Superstar' as it's fading out: "If you arrrrrrrrrre - what you say you arrrrrrrrre, then have nooooo fear..."

He's okay - definitely in the same categorey as Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common, and so on.

Lupe Fiasco sounds like he used to be with that one group, Slum Village. I don't remember any songs from them except 'Tainted' - I still listen to that song.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Big put out a higher percentage of great songs BUT Pac has about 10 times the material so its much easier for him to have done so.

And to say that Pac only got famous after he died is ridiculous. Yes, his fame grew after his death but he was already a superstar and successful cross-media.

Also, Big's wordplay was great but Rakim and others were using puns and WAY before Big. I appreciate both but I think Pac's music just offers a lot more.

But to each his own.


Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

bean

"...how can you come to any other conclusion (about 'riods)?? I know he (Ortiz) had a 'wrist' injury last year, but guys with average stuff are putting him away with ease..."

I feel you, bean.

It's almost as if he should just stand up, admit to it and move on.

Most baseball fans have.

I have.

And it all makes you see Bonds differently.

Barry Bonds was hated on for years behind 'riods.

Now, it looks like he was just another guy in a long line of guys on the stuff.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Okay, anyone want to guess what today's poll will be about?

Here's my entry:

Will this be Zorn's last year as head coach?

Yes. He can't get it done.
Yes. They want someone more famous.
Yes. They need him at Six Flags.
Yes. Two years is about the right time for a 'Skins head coach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I thought about this pretty hard last night, and I have come to the conclusion that the sport that requires the most thinking, even MORE than soccer, is……..Donkey Basketball.

Not only do you have to think about what everyone else on the court is doing whether you are in possession of the ball or not, you have to aware of what 10 donkeys might be thinking. You have to account for thinking that you are going to move towards the basket for a better shot, but your donkey may want to move left, or right, or backwards a little bit, or just stand still. Now you have to pass the ball……the guy you want to pass it to is supposed to be cutting to the lane….but his donkey is headed for the scorers table cuz he thought he smelled a carrot…..what to do? Now you have to know where your other teammates are supposed to be to get the ball to one of them….and guess what…all of this just happened in 1.3 seconds. Multiply this times 10,000 and exponentiate it a thousand fold….

Thinking man’s game people…..thinking man’s game. That settles that.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Thinking man’s game people…..thinking man’s game. That settles that.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 9:49 AM |

Thinking man's game = chess

Faster and livelier than soccer. More permutations than donkey basketball.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Donkey Basketball.....Thinking man’s game people…..thinking man’s game. That settles that.

Posted by: dlhaze1"

Good pull. Just another in the long line of sports that surpasses baseball as the ultimate "cerebral" sport.

Posted by: psps23 | May 15, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I kid, I kid....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I thought Baseketball had a lock on cerebral athletics...

...clipsh

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 15, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Jon Jansen is motivated.

On any other team, he's a 30+ year old sal cap casualty.

But for the redskins, he's valuable.

Go figure.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Moving on to current artist, Im looking for some suggestions. I dont want to be like my parents and other older people who only listen to the same stuff for 30 years but I find myself going down that path. Most stuff out now is just garbage.

Lil Wayne is ok. The teenagers LOVE him and for some reason Gucci Mane. Kanye is ok but annoying. Lupe doesnt do it for me. Common, Talib are ok too but not really puttin out much right now. I think Im bout to expand my genres. My boy is tryin to put me on to Radiohead.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Good god. Don't like soccer, don't watch it. You guys getting all French provinciale about it is really unbecoming.

You want some cred for not liking soccer. I gotcha. Gotcha marked down right here.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

American football is science...Futbol is art!

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2009 5:12 PM

I'll grant you this. Futbol has this is common with art. It's about as exciting as watching paint dry.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

BIG/Pac/Rap Talk >>> Soccer Pimpin'

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse


Well everyone is entitled to their opinion, guys.

Not everyone out there has learned to appreciate soccer - which is the most popular sport in the world by leaps and bounds.

Have fun figuring out why a couple of big-mouth millionaires got themselves shot...

Posted by: p1funk | May 15, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

VaTerp - I am actually starting to feel Gucci's style. I didn't understand it at 1st. But, he is starting to make sense to me know... Lil Wayne is commercial status so I don't follow him anymore (But that new joint is the banger - I just wanna---)

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/15/jared-allen-vs-mike-vick/

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Not everyone out there has learned to appreciate soccer - which is the most popular sport in the world by leaps and bounds.

Posted by: p1funk | May 15, 2009 10:19 AM

This is the "50 Million Frenchmen Can't be Wrong" way of thinking about sports. They are also big on Bocci, or Petanque. Oh yeah, and bicycle racing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I could get down with saying Lupe is in a class with Kweli & Common Sense (sort of, not really, but I catch your drift) but Mos Def is on another plateau. He is more like a NYC-city slicker version of Andre whereas both have transcended Hip Hop. Kweli, Com Sense & Lupe are still rapping and that's cool, but Andre and Mos are .....man I don't even know what you can call what they are doing. It's Art of a different form, both have a sublime talent and are a great credit to music as much as they are to Hip Hop.

By the way I still bump Com Sense's "I used to love H.E.R." to this day.

Posted by: slipperyrichard | May 15, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"I could get down with saying Lupe is in a class with Kweli & Common Sense (sort of, not really, but I catch your drift) but Mos Def is on another plateau. He is more like a NYC-city slicker version of Andre whereas both have transcended Hip Hop. Kweli, Com Sense & Lupe are still rapping and that's cool, but Andre and Mos are .....man I don't even know what you can call what they are doing. It's Art of a different form, both have a sublime talent and are a great credit to music as much as they are to Hip Hop.

By the way I still bump Com Sense's "I used to love H.E.R." to this day."

Posted by: slipperyrichard

I agree with this. I cant believe there was a whole convo about kings of southern rap yesterday and no mention (at least that I saw) of Andre and Big Boi.

Outkast is hands down the greatest rap duo of all time.

4th, I hear ya on Gucci. Quietly, I listen to him a little bit but I just feel like Im gettin too old for that. Im 30 with a 14 month old daughter. I feel a lil funny bumping Gucci w/ a car seat in the back.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Va Terp

you should check out Drake, he's relatively new but the music is good from what i've heard so far. Also my kid's 14 mos as well, and he loves it when i bump the gangster music while he's in the car. I think the bass might be soothing

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 15, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Lil Wayne is commercial status so I don't follow him anymore (But that new joint is the banger - I just wanna---) - 4th
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"Sanaa Lathan, Meagn Good, Angelina Jolie, D Woods..."

Yes, if you're talking about the 'Every Girl' track, yes, that joint is the sh*t. Gotta give credit....

Gucci like most southern rappers, just has really nice beats. His music: Crack talk.

Gucci = Jeezy = Artist Formally known as 'Dip Set'

All these bamas do is get on the track and holla pyrex this, pyrex that. Kitchen this, kitchen that. Weight this, weight that. That sh*t gets old really quick.

If you're really tied to the "game' like that, you wouldn't talk about it every damn track. Sort of like a war vet not talking about things he saw while at war...

I listen to Gucci when I'm in a charged state, dude has flame beats.

But when it comes to beats, and beats only, no one is f'n with Soulja Boy Tellem.

Lol.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

the every girl joint is wayne and drake. and i guees wayne is commercial as it gets what with his gabillion tatoos, various charges in other states,codeine addiction,weed habit, multiple baby mammas and 2 plat albums outta 7. It's not his "commercial" rap that gets him on tv and commercs( gatorade) it's because he's relevant.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 15, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

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