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Starting to try to nail down some possible candidates to take over as Offensive Coordinator now that Jim Zorn is the head coach, now that the carpet guy - cool dude, by the way - left and the basement flood is under control.

Talked to some people who know Zorn and they pointed me to Tennessee assistant head coach Sherman Smith. Smith and Zorn are close friends and were teammates in Seattle and Smith is looking to move up the ladder after being with the Titans since 1995. Smith is a former running back and longtime running backs coach and despite his title, he is not the top offensive guy with the Titans (newly hired OC Mike Heimerdinger is) and league sources said they do not believe the Titans would block a move to the OC spot here.

Someone for us to keep an eye on. People tell me Smith is a great dude - I hear the same thing from people who know Zorn - and they have a hunch he could be on Zorn's immediate radar.

I'll see what else I come up with.

Will post more on what people around the league are saying about Zorn tomorrow, but for now he's the take of one prominent coach:

"Jim is a very good guy, a very even-tempered coach with a really good knowledge of the quarterback position and I think that will be a great thing for Jason Campbell. He's very well respected in the coaching ranks. But there's so much stuff that goes into being a head coach that you have to do that takes away from the tutelage of that guy. I can't imagine being a first time head coach - a guy who was preparing to be a first-time offensive coordinator - and than also being the quarterback coach and putting in an offense and the whole deal. I also wonder, who's going to be Jim's mentor there?

"It may turn out to be a great choice, and Jim can teach, there's no doubt about that. But you look at this and you see they had no plan. You hire a guy for one job, based on the recommendations of coaches you don't end up hiring, and then promote him to head coach two weeks later? A lot of people turned away from that job and going in there with Vinny and Dan Snyder running everything, it's going to take some work putting out the fires and managing them. Joe Gibbs did a tremendous job of managing that owner, but it's going to be very hard for Jim Zorn as a first-time coach to control their impulses and all the fantasy football stuff. You look at the way this whole thing has played out over what, five weeks now, and you have to wonder how they're going to operate."

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 9, 2008; 10:12 PM ET
 
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Comments

first!

Posted by: stivic | February 9, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Zornst!

Posted by: PDiddy | February 9, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm....

Posted by: freakzilla | February 9, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Alrighty. Just jumping in the foray without reading any post since the promotion of Zorn.

Here's my take:

Dan Snyder picked Zorn because he has no history for the fans to pick over. Most people are like, 'Dude?'. I know I am.

I am not mad, but I wish I knew more. I'm sure that's how fans felt about Gibbs 1.0 when he 1st came aboard........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 10:18 PM

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Nick Giaquinto for OC

Posted by: RedBee | February 9, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Those guys have been around," Gibbs said from the garage area at Daytona International Speedway, where his team was preparing to compete in Saturday night's Budweiser Shootout exhibition race. "So what they did is continuity-wise, they kept the coaching staff and the support group and the training group and everybody, so he's in a real solid [situation]."

Gibbs quote from ESPN, maybe Tony Stewart should have punched gibbs for putting us in this mess

Posted by: stivic | February 9, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I go out for dinner and this is what VinnyDAN does?

Okay - deep breath.

I am . . . . okay with this. Not okay like I would have been if he had swallowed his pride and hired GG, but I am okay.

Hiring Facile could never have worked, because clearly VinnyDAN was not enthused, and GG was NEVER going to be the coach, VinnyDAN just flat out does not like him. Mooch and Meeks would have been safer picks, and I think Meeks would have probably been the right call (again assuming GG and Grimm would not be hired due to personal issues) but this is okay. It gets the offense excited again, and the defense really should be pretty much the same.

I am excited.

I am excited about Zorn, and I more excited that the most extended case of auto-feliatio know to human-kind, the Skins HC search, is over.

Just one thing left for me to do:

Nick Giaquinto for OC Baby!!!!!

Posted by: RedBee | February 9, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Even if Zorn has a five year deal, I highly doubt it is fully gaureented. Usually, only the 1st 3 years are gaurenteed with the team having a 2 year option they can pick up one year at a time.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

What kind of Offense will we be running?

That should be he #1 question Tommorow!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cdubb | February 9, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

4th,

After he was named OC, he said he'd install a West Coast offense.

Posted by: JustMe | February 9, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I'll bet this stuff went over really well at the sleepover:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfGZsPLDkY8

Posted by: JustMe | February 9, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Now we can all be zornstars.
I know, its cheesy, I just couldn't help it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I am not mad, but I wish I knew more. I'm sure that's how fans felt about Gibbs 1.0 when he 1st came aboard........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 10:18 PM

4thFloor--I was around when the Squire hired a real unknown in Joe Gibbs. I remember how hard the fans came down on him when he lost those first 5 games. Maybe you don't know what Gibbs did then--he took his starting QB aside and had a long talk. # 7 told him his offense wasn't working. As a result, Gibbs changed up the offense and the rest is history.

Joe Gibbs could coach and he sure wasn't a football player. A character named Lombardi sure could coach--and he wasn't much of a football player. Zorn was at least a player--not the best but he was steady. We won't know what kind of coach he is until much later. But at least I am willing to give him a chance--which is apparently a lot more than so many of the wanabee owners and GM's who post to this blog.

Signed me--willing to give the guy a chance.

Posted by: phoco | February 9, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

ZORNAMANIA!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see that Sando mentioned the bit about Zorn throwing passes during pregame warmups. I hope he continues to do that now that he's the head coach. It's a truly bizarre sight on an NFL field to see a 50-something assistant coach throwing better passes than the 2nd and 3rd string QBs.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 9, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm certainly willing to give the guy a chance. Hell, I'm kinda excited about it. Let's hope snyderatto gives him the chance. Not just a year or two.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

This has to be a Mike Holgren quote.

Also announcing this hire on a Saturday (for a guy ALREADY on your staff) and doing the presser on the day of the Pro Bowl (couldn't wait one day after the last game of the NFL season? speaks to the embarrasment and desperation of -$nyder. It's like doing the walk of shame in the morning, praying you don't run into anyone you know. And, gawd, after a night with -$nyder and Vinny. you definitely don't want to make eye contact with anyone.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 9, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Like I said...I have nothing at all against Zorn. I love the guy. He's all class.

I think the Dynamic Duo are incompetent maroons. What a debacle.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 9, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

4th,

After he was named OC, he said he'd install a West Coast offense.

Posted by: JustMe | February 9, 2008 10:29 PM

But, according to JLaC, they might target dude from the titans to be OC. Eh, They don't run WC in Tennesse....

So, I would say that question is still in the air...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Signed me--willing to give the guy a chance.

Posted by: phoco | February 9, 2008 10:39 PM


I am very much willing to give him a chance. Fassel was different because we watched him coacvh in the NFC East (Remember that tie game??)

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Pat Shurmur - Eagles QB coach

Posted by: rlarge | February 9, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for the guy...Dan set him up for failure. Imagine the 90K+ screaming we want Gregg after they lose their first home game. Which they will having to install a new offense with a young QB. The sad part is we will have no idea of JC is the QB of the future after this season if he doesn't fare well. We'll always question if it was a new system or if he has the ability to succeed in the nfl. Or worse yet. The constant disarray cost him a chance to succeed in the NFL.

Posted by: jklaw | February 9, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor, do you really think they are going to run anything but the West Coast?

It will be west Coast all of the way now that Zorn is in town as HC.

Where do you all think they will start looking for backups, you would have to figure Collins is going to the Rams, maybe Brunell stays as the number 3 for a big pay cut and they find a decent number 2 schooled in the WCO....

Posted by: stivic | February 9, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a one year fix not matter what he does next year.

When a bigger named coach comes along next year Zorn is getting fired. Count on it.

Leprechaun Danny does it again.

Bye Redskins, and thanks Dan Snyder for taking away 38 years of football from me.

Ass.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 9, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Trent Dilfer is probably the vetern backup. Zorn worked woth him a few years back.

Posted by: mdvj | February 9, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

stivic - What Offensive Coach knows the West Coast offense and terminalogy other than Zorn?

I'm not saying we aren't going to run it, but we need more than the head coach to know the system. He can't be in QBs, RBs, WRs, TEs, and OLine meetings all at once.

So, I am thinking that the QB Coach hire and OC hire will be very key. And JLaC is talking about a coach who dosen't even run the WC offense....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey leevi, the guy that wrote that sportsline article said Randle El was a bust. why should I believe anything else he's got to say?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

well at least Jim "both cheeks" Zorn will teach our QB's how to slide... lol

Posted by: hankkuo | February 9, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

hence, Pat Shurmur - he should get serious consideration.

Posted by: rlarge | February 9, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

....not impressed. Looks like a comfort selection for Danny and Vinny. Zorn is someone with little influence in the front office. This will allow the dynamic duo the freedom to play their ownership games with no interference from the field staff. How much influence did a friend on Capitol Hill have on this pick?

Posted by: ElGato1 | February 9, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10631354

"...This is an owner who actually has sought out advice on free agents from league writers. I've heard it with my own ears, not that he ever asked me..."

Hah, hah, hah, hah!!!!

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 9, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it's not the fossil, so let's give this guy all the support we can and maybe, just maybe he's smart enough to move us into this century.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

If you need a good laugh:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1799977


I must warn you, there is profanity, so if you find that offensive, don't open the link. Personally, I am weak from laughing.

Posted by: JustMe | February 9, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree.

They got the idea about anybody but Fassel!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

4th, great question, I am trying to scan the net for who is out there but since the WCO has become standardized (sp) because of the Walsh tree, I don't see him hiring an OC that is going to try and rock the boat. My guess is that he will be pretty vanilla with the OC hire and depending on what happens with Free agency & salary cap, I would look for them to mirror what they did in Seattle, potential big offensive line (injuries killed us), portis on the veer, cooley, and get a big WR. My bad guess is snyder will go for big FA pick ups like johnson and few others to give Zorn the weapons he wants.

People like Walt Harris and Charlie Weiss get lumped into WCO even though they are not true WCO people, so I am not that worried about it. He wil help JC because his staff has been pretty much handpicked since Gibbs left.

I live 2 doors down from a Skins player and his comment has been that they liked Saunders but weren't sure why they brought him in) after the first playoff run because the offense was working. In my opinion, what has really changed on the skins offense since Saunders came in? I think the lack of WR playmakers has hampered the game plan. 89 only came on strong late in 07 so we did not have a deep threat all season.

appreciate your good insight and feedback!

Posted by: stivic | February 9, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a one year fix not matter what he does next year.

When a bigger named coach comes along next year Zorn is getting fired. Count on it.

Leprechaun Danny does it again.

Bye Redskins, and thanks Dan Snyder for taking away 38 years of football from me.

Ass.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 9, 2008 10:53 PM

I don't buy it. No big name coaches will take the job.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Enough Zorn to go around?
February 9, 2008 9:46 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando
Jim Zorn impresses people. There's no other way to explain his sudden emergence as the Redskins' head coach. People in the league knew Zorn was a good teacher, particularly of quarterbacks. But only after spending time with Zorn does a person realize what Redskins owner Daniel Snyder now knows: Zorn has lots of interesting ideas, he is enthusiastic about them and he is a persuasive person. Zorn grows on people.
I covered the Seahawks as a beat reporter from 1998 through the 2006 season. Zorn was there as quarterbacks coach beginning in 2001. You always needed some extra time if you were going to interview Zorn after practice because he would give such thorough, in-depth answers. He would also give you something a little off the wall sometimes, but if you saw him play the game as a left-handed scrambler, you weren't surprised.

The big question for the Redskins is whether there's enough of Jim Zorn to go around. Head coaches have to worry about so many things that go beyond what Zorn has proven to be good at: teaching and coaching. Head coaches are CEOs as much as anything.
As the Redskins' offensive coordinator, Zorn probably still could have taken a hands-on approach with Jason Campbell. As head coach, he is most likely going to need some help.
As one of Zorn's former co-workers put it to me this afternoon: "The best thing that happened to Jason was having Zorn named offensive coordinator and working with quarterbacks. The worst thing was Zorn being named head coach, because it will be harder for him to be as involved coaching the position."
Knowing Zorn, he's still going to be very involved with the quarterbacks. That is his identity. He played quarterback in the league and there isn't a more important position, so he'll still work with Campbell as much as anyone, I would think. Zorn won't have to worry about coaching the defense because Greg Blache is in place as the coordinator, so that helps.
Zorn will install an offense very similar to the one Mike Holmgren has run in Seattle. He would have an easier time doing this if he could to find another assistant or two who know this offense inside and out. Gary Reynolds, who recently followed Mike Sherman to Texas A&M, impressed everyone he came into contact with during his time on Holmgren's staff. He would be the type of person Zorn might find helpful in setting up his offense.
Holmgren's base offense features two backs, two receivers and a tight end. This is known as "regular" personnel in West Coast parlance. Seattle also leaned hard on its "E" personnel grouping with two running backs, three receivers and no tight end. They liked this group because the fullback allowed for running the ball, while the third receiver created mismatches against linebackers in the slot. "Zebra" (one back, three receivers, one tight end) and "Eagle" (four receivers) were also widely used groupings during Zorn's time in Seattle. The Redskins have different personnel and I would expect Zorn to tailor his personnel groupings accordingly.
Zorn's strength is coaching quarterbacks. He was a very good resource for Matt Hasselbeck during rough times in particular. Holmgren can be very harsh on quarterbacks. One of his all-time blowups came during halftime of a Seahawks loss at Washington. Zorn is competitive, but also a very pleasant person who doesn't even curse. His even keel balanced out the more combustible Holmgren. Zorn is a very enthusiastic, high-energy, hands-on guy. He is a hard worker. He is creative. He would take reps throwing 35-yard sideline passes during pregame warmups, something he'll presumably give up now he's the head guy.
The book on Zorn in Seattle was that he showed a great deal of improvement as a coach, becoming more organized. He is a Seattle guy at heart, but he also realized Seahawks coach-in-waiting Jim Mora would have his own candidates for offensive coordinator, so there was no way Zorn could pass up a three-year deal as coordinator in the other Washington. His decision was wiser and more lucrative than anyone could have imagined.
In addition to helping Hasselbeck go from struggling former sixth-round choice to Pro Bowl regular, Zorn was the assistant coach in charge of handling third-and-7 or longer. The Seahawks had some success in this area during his tenure, but their third-down offense struggled in general once Shaun Alexander hit a wall with injuries and the offensive line struggled.
There's a difference in being an idea guy with some input and being The Guy who runs everything. We won't know how well Zorn makes the transition until he's had a little time. If it doesn't work out, he can always go back to being a coordinator. The Redskins never lost a game when he held that title.
Redskins, Jim Zorn

Posted by: mdvj | February 9, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

My bad guess is snyder will go for big FA pick ups like johnson and few others to give Zorn the weapons he wants.

Posted by: stivic | February 9, 2008 11:13 PM

I don't buy this either. From what I've read I don't think Zorn would pick up someone like Ocho Moutho. But he'll get someone for that receiver spot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

who else in on the FA get paid trail this year? Just curious, I know Asante Samuel from NE and Moss, but who else is going to be a FA..

where do they post info like that or where can you find it?

thanks in advance-

Posted by: stivic | February 9, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

stivic

sportingnews.com war room has a list out.

Posted by: mdvj | February 9, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

kost,

It seems like you're in luck:

POSTED 12:15 p.m. EST, February 9, 2008
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

RETURN OF THE EMMITT?

At a time when most folks who pay attention to the television coverage of the NFL believe that Emmitt Smith will be "blowed up" by ESPN, a media source tells us that the current plan in Bristol is to bring Emmitt back for 2008.

Said the source, "ESPN isn't crazy about Emmitt but the network feels like if they let him go, they would have been bullied into doing so."

The source cautions that the decision isn't set in stone. "People change their minds there every other second," the source said.

And an objective review of Smith's performances points inescapably to the conclusion that he should not be employed in the TV business. He cannot speak extemporaneously, and his analysis has the depth of a desert puddle.

He's so terrible that he provides unintended comic relief. In fact, the only good thing about a possible return engagement is that it'll give us -- and many others -- plenty of things to talk about next season.

Posted by: JustMe | February 9, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

mdvj,

thanks, I will add to my list of discretionary spending right after psgame gear in the Dulles town center.

If you haven't been there yet, it is a skins fan worst nightmare, you can't help but buy up all of the skins collectibles.

Posted by: stivic | February 9, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a place I'd need to hit up after I get my economy stimulus check.

Posted by: mdvj | February 9, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with the knee jerk negativity. I must say that I am cautiously optimistic. I think this was the best hire of the available candidates (key word being available). The pressure is on Zorn now. Good luck Zorny.

Posted by: GWSkinFan | February 9, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

I think your source hit the nail on the head, Jason: Zorn might be very impressive as a coach, and he might be more organized than Gibbs was, but so much of this job is about reigning in Snyder. That ability permitted Marty and Gibbs to be relatively successful; the lack of that ability helped doom Norv and Spurrier. As has been said, there might not be enough Jim Zorn to go around.

Posted by: drischord | February 9, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad this thorogh process is finally over.

Hopefully Zorn can be successful with Gibbs' & Williams' staff.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Snyder has identified the right candidate. The brass has listened - No Fassel. I am excited for the Zorn era to begin. Hail To The Redskins!

Posted by: mjwies11 | February 9, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

From article from Mike Wise:
Like Gibbs, Zorn is principled, passionate and extremely candid. Zorn is said to have no fraud in him and plenty of authenticity
In a locker room with heavy religious influence, which grew exponentially after Sean Taylor's death more than two months ago, Zorn, like Gibbs, is an evangelical Christian. His even-keeled temperament could be the bridge needed to connect with many skeptical players, who still want to know why Gregg Williams was done so wrong.

God bless your Mr. Zorn.

Posted by: jcguy | February 10, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Too bad it'll be a west coast offense, cause baby they were Zorn to run.

Posted by: suz | February 10, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

You guys are pathetic. REMEMBER your Redskins fans... Not Danny Fans...You have a right to be angry and not like this... You sound like a bunch of Cerratos .. saying "Yes" to everything this idiot does.. STOP drinking the Koolaid and wake up!!! Your owner just hired a man to HEAD COACH a National Football Franchise who's only experience in coaching is as a Quarterbacks coach. I dont recall Hasselback getting a Superbowl ring? Aan whos resume is smaller than local High School coaches in the area. We are NOW the laughing stock of the league. I got (3) phone calls in minutes of this decision from NY football Giants fans thanking Danny for (2) two automatic wins in the division next year. Stop settling for mediocrity and demand what Jack Kent Cooke gave us ... A genuine product... You sound like sniveling "YES Fan"... Instead of a Redskin fan.. The glass is not half empty its broken... Shattered on the floor...

Posted by: ak20 | February 10, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

ak20

Who was your choice for HC?

Posted by: mdvj | February 10, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Zorn must have some pretty bad pictures of snyder

Posted by: connskins | February 10, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

What about Andy Reid ak20?

Posted by: GWSkinFan | February 10, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

The very first thing that Zorn should do is simple. Change your telephone number and cell number to one that Danny/ Cerrrato don't know. Try to run the team without seeing the red hot line blinking in the background. If they buy a new cell phone and stick it in your pocket you can always keep accidentally dropping it in the toilet until it finally sinks in to them that you need some kind of owner firewall. Of course they hired you because they thought that you may be the most malleable of the coaching possibilities since you do not have the resume of others. You have to draw your line in the sand now or I fear the worst for your chances. Good luck, Zorn. All of us fans are truly hoping for the best but fearing the worst, because we have witnessed what Danny can be like.

Posted by: driley | February 10, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

What team that had a head coach opening this offseason got the best man?

Falcons with Mike Smith?

Ravens with the Eagles QB coach? (can't think of his name)

Redskins with J Zorn?

Posted by: cabraman | February 10, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

ak20

How much knowledge about NFL coaches do your giants friends have? For example do they know how much input Zorn had in designing Seattles's offenseive game plans. How was Zorn in running/organizing meetings, practices etc. I don't give a f*ck what your giants fans think.

Posted by: mdvj | February 10, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

You guys are pathetic. REMEMBER your Redskins fans... Not Danny Fans...You have a right to be angry and not like this... You sound like a bunch of Cerratos .. saying "Yes" to everything this idiot does.. STOP drinking the Koolaid and wake up!!! Your owner just hired a man to HEAD COACH a National Football Franchise who's only experience in coaching is as a Quarterbacks coach. I dont recall Hasselback getting a Superbowl ring? Aan whos resume is smaller than local High School coaches in the area. We are NOW the laughing stock of the league. I got (3) phone calls in minutes of this decision from NY football Giants fans thanking Danny for (2) two automatic wins in the division next year. Stop settling for mediocrity and demand what Jack Kent Cooke gave us ... A genuine product... You sound like sniveling "YES Fan"... Instead of a Redskin fan.. The glass is not half empty its broken... Shattered on the floor...

Posted by: ak20 | February 10, 2008 12:29 AM

Why don't you shut your yapper. I'ma true Redskins fan and have been for almost 30 years, and I don't like our front office. But I'm not gonna trash our coaches and players. Why don't you just crawl back in your pathetic little hole.
PS: ever heard of Andy Reid?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

F U ak20!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

The glass is not half empty its broken... Shattered on the floor...

Posted by: ak20 | February 10, 2008 12:29 AM

Just like yout miserable existence.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Andy Reid- (taken from Wikipedia)

After graduating from BYU in 1981, he spent one year employed as a graduate assistant on the school's football coaching staff. He spent the next nine years as an offensive line coach with four different colleges before being hired as an assistant coach by the Green Bay Packers in 1992, the same year quarterback Brett Favre became a member of that team (Reid was named the Packers' quarterbacks coach in 1997, the season after the Packers won the Super Bowl (XXXI).

IDIOTS!

Posted by: ak20 | February 10, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Synder may not be the best owner ever...but Zorn is THIS TEAM'S HC and I'll look at the glass half full until proven otherwise.

Posted by: mdvj | February 10, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Let's please remember that the last guy who was hired as head coach of the Redskins because he was great with young quarterbacks and reminded the owner (JKC) of Joe Gibbs was Norv.

The Boy King and Tonto can spin this however they like, but this is not continuity. Zorn may be an ok HC in time, but this was not the time. He has never been a coordinator before, and it will probably be all he can do this off season just to find the men's room and learn everyone's name - including those on his pre-fab coaching staff. I hope I am totally wrong, but how is it reasonable to believe that this team that was in the playoffs and on a roll despite all the injuries and tragedy, will win more than 4 games next year?

Posted by: jaypem | February 10, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Next time you "fan boys" want to correct someone get your facts straight.. I knew you were going to go there .. Andy has coaching experience and back ground ...

Posted by: ak20 | February 10, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Hey leevi, the guy that wrote that sportsline article said Randle El was a bust. why should I believe anything else he's got to say?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 10:58 PM

Guys don't attack me ...I didn't write the article...I don't agree with everything the article said...I read it and posted the link for other Skins fans to read...kust passes articles not endorsing....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 10, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Doc Walker said that Reid was a TE coach, before he got his HC gig. I would think that in the coaching hiarchy, QB coach has a litle more responsibility.

Posted by: mdvj | February 10, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

ak20

Thanks for keeping it real.

This is not about Zorn it is about VinnyDan. Zorn is an OK OC candidate. No one, I mean no one would make this position coach a HC at this time. He could not get the OC job a Seattle let alone HC job. Remember he tried to stay there just like every one we tried to hire. Fassel does not have a job so he could not say no. Blache did not even want the promotion from all reports. HC search was an absolute joke and Zorn god bless him is the punch line.

Please direct all rage toward the VinnyDan thing the infects our team. Zorn and the rest never had a chance.

So this is what our monkey owner ends up with:

Vinny GM
Zorn HC

Try to go to the 3-4 with small, injured, and older LBs. Stab GG on the way out. Get his friend for millions. Fantastic. Well you know the rest .......

F U Vinny

F U DANBOTs

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

A couple of notes..

- The Skins will start the season for a change with virtually no expectations from the media. That's a nice change.
- Despite what JLC's source said, Zorn will have 'plenty' of mentor types on staff. Bugal, Breaux, Blache. Come on! Also, it's not like the guy hasnt been around the block a few times. I like the percentages on Holmgren QB coaches...
- I would also agree that they didnt have a plan. THEY THOUGHT GIBBS WAS GOING TO WORK OUT HIS CONTRACT! I'm sure that they had some dream candidates (Cowher and Carrol), but outside of that they thought that they had a coach.
- I seem to recall another little known QB coach type who started his HC career in DC and it turned out pretty well..

Posted by: castro1234 | February 10, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

ak2o I ask again, who would you choose as the new HC? Food for thought from the Washington Time.

Under Zorn's tutelage, Matt Hasselbeck soared from a first-year starter with a 70.9 passer rating to a three-time Pro Bowl quarterback with 70 touchdowns and just 36 interceptions over the past three seasons.
In the nine seasons before Zorn joined the coaching staff in 2001, Seattle made the playoffs just once while finishing 54-75. Since then, the franchise has made the postseason five times, won four NFC West titles and an NFC championship and went 79-60. The Seahawks eliminated the Redskins from the postseason in 2005 and 2007.

Posted by: mdvj | February 10, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Im not unhappy with this pick, I was hoping for a younger guy that is kindaa needs to prove himself. We got that guy, I didnt want one of these passed over coachs like fassal or mooch. I just hope they give him enough time in the position before they give up on him. Im not sure if danny boy learned any patience in the last couple of years and stays away from the "win now" philosophy.

Posted by: SAK2 | February 10, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Reid

Had his QB play on a broken leg. His kids are running a pharmacy out of his house. Had QB though 50 times a game (brilliant). He does keep his teams tight (save for TO) but with that D and playing with know real competition for years (2001-2004)he did not do a great job. He did do a good job. The last three years were not too good overall for the Eagles had have they have become the worst NFC east team.

Also he was not such a pure position coach like Zorn.

The point is that you don't have to be and OC or DC to get a HC job but those people have coached many places and are known for more then being teachers and cool.

Also Zorn has the worst job in NFL Coaching now. So just being very good will not get him past next year.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I LIKE THIS CHOICE!!! Danny boy FINALLY didn't just go for the big bang. Spag's might have been initial number 1 choice, but this makes a lot of sense. I am so sick and tired of Skins fans making such harsh judgments without doing any research, without giving someone an opportunity, and just being plain dumb. We used to be known across the country as one of the best group of fans of any NFL franchise. The fans now are getting to be as annoying as Cowgirl fans or Giants fans, actually I think some of their fans are much more informed.

Dan Snyder has made a ton of bone head moves. This is the first time he hasn't just gone after the first big thing that came into his lap and give that person a boat load of money. I know it is hard to give someone a 2nd chance, but I think all of Redskin nation needs to take a deep breath, relax and lets see if this might work.

We just had our Hall of Fame Coach retire a year sooner than the Owner expected and he and management(aka Vinny) have had to go through a tough interview process that they did not plan on having to go through.

Having too many egos did not work the last few years, it was time to end the Saunders experiment(great offensive mind, didn't fit with Gibbs or the players), Williams was the emotional choice but he failed as head coach previously. I along with most of Redskin nation would have liked to give Williams another shot but I have a feeling his ego would have gotten in the way again. So next best thing is put in Blache as D Coordinator and the defense doesn't miss a beat and you have a D Coordinator that knows his role and will do it well.

Zorn brings a breath of fresh air to a team that has been desperate for something new. The NFL has been changing in front of our faces and the Skins were starting to fall behind. Zorn brings a hybrid version of the West Coast offense to the NFC East and will force all three of the other teams to change how they play D against us. We hold the upper card now, they will have to wonder what we will be doing rather than the past few years and they new exactly what was coming at them.

The real test will be to see how Snyder/Cerrato have evolved and if they understand the importance of the draft and SMART Free agent pickups. If we restructure properly, pick up a Stud WR, a shut down corner in Free Agency and then build depth in both sides of the line through the draft we will have a team that will be a force to be reckoned with for years to come.

Welcome to DC Jim Zorn, I hope you have some tough skin. The Skins fans that have only been on board for the past few years are quite fickle, but us real Skins fans who have been on board through the glory years and through the Snyder years are still very faithful and are dying to get behind a solid man that can continue to expand on what Coach Joe brought back to this organization...A winning mindset, a potent offense, and a nasty defense! Hail to the Redskins!

-James Hammer

Posted by: scrumpy1 | February 10, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

regardless of vinnydan, im just glad we're settled without Fassal. The "Zornado" of this off-season is just getting started and maybe Zorn will be able to build on something already here. At least campbells got a head coach now that can be on his case, with authority

Posted by: amishsk8er6 | February 10, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm willin to give Zorn the benifit of waiting 2 years to see his leadership and organizational skills. Holgram's assistants do well as HC's so we'll see.

Posted by: mdvj | February 10, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Samuels and Cooley are learning the WCO in the pro bowl. That's a positive.

Posted by: mdvj | February 10, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Hammer, I like your thorough analysis. The big WR they picked up late in the year from the Giants (Mix) who played with JC at Auburn might be the big possession receiver they need for WCO. Spend all your picks on D line and O line upgrades/backups. As the Giants showed, you win championships when you can control and dominate the line of scrimmage on both sides!

For those who have brought up P. Shurmur (current Eagles QB Coach) as a good OC candidate, I agree. He would have been Spags' choice. Bring in someone like Dilfer as the #2 QB (and shadow QB mentor for JC just like he did for Hasselbeck) and get a young cat to be a developmental #3 QB. I think they have someone like that on the roster now.

Let's be realistic ... there will be transition and growing pains. You hope that they can eke out a 8-8 or 9-7 in Year 1 and steal a wildcard spot. To ask for more in Year 1 will be foolish.

Posted by: gilk | February 10, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

"Next time you "fan boys" want to correct someone get your facts straight.. I knew you were going to go there .. Andy has coaching experience and back ground ...

Posted by: ak20 | February 10, 2008 12:52 AM"

"After graduating from BYU in 1981, he spent one year employed as a graduate assistant on the school's football coaching staff. He spent the next nine years as an offensive line coach with four different colleges before being hired as an assistant coach by the Green Bay Packers in 1992, the same year quarterback Brett Favre became a member of that team (Reid was named the Packers' quarterbacks coach in 1997, the season after the Packers won the Super Bowl (XXXI).

IDIOTS!

Posted by: ak20 | February 10, 2008 12:50 AM"

Um, by your own information Andy Reid was nothing more than an offensive line coach and a QB coach before he was the Eagles' head coach. Zorn was a QB coach.

Who is the 'idiot' now? Idiot.

Posted by: jcabana | February 10, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I have no idea how Zorn will work out. But let's not claim that he has no experience. That's silly. Gibbs, Zorn and Reid all had similar backgrounds before being made head coaches.

(Also from Wikipedia): "After his playing career concluded, Zorn returned to college football as an assistant coach. His first stop was at Boise State University, where he was the quarterbacks coach from 1988-91. Zorn then served as the offensive coordinator for Utah State from 1992-94; and the quarterbacks coach for Minnesota from 1995-96.

Zorn moved up to the pro coaching ranks in 1997-98 as an offensive assistant for the Seahawks under Dennis Erickson and the next two years (1998-2000) as the quarterbacks coach for the Detroit Lions. He returned to the Seahawks in 2001 as their quarterbacks coach, and retained that position through the 2007 season."

So it's not like this dude is chopped liver, as a few people seem to be implying. Crappy ownership and player selection might be what ultimately kills his chances of success. We'll see.

Posted by: jcabana | February 10, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I also like that the players seem excited about this pick, I think that means alot, we all know that the wanted GG, but for them to be able to speak highly about this guy is a bonus, hopefully this means springs will be willing to redo his contract to stay with the team.

Posted by: SAK2 | February 10, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm totally okay with this. Gibbs was a bit off the radar when he was hired back in the day. The guy may have a little learning curve, but that's to be expected. I like youth over retread, personally.

Posted by: lordtwang | February 10, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

gilk--Pat Shurmur would be an excellent choice! I had not thought of that. Taking someone from our rivals ads to the fun! He has done a heck of a job with Donovan and knows the hybrid West Coast quite well. I would love to get him, and it should be easy since it would be a promotion and not a parallel move.

I agree, an 8 or 9 year win season again is very much likely. We should be able to sneak into the playoffs again with a solid D. In 2 years this Redskin team could very well be back in the upper echelon of the NFL.

Looking forward to watching the Pro Bowl tomorrow and seeing 2-1 represented and remembered again. Speaking of Hall of Famers...Congrats to the G.O.A.T(Darrell Green) and way over due Art Monk for being becoming Hall of Fame players! Joining Riggo and Gibbs from the good ole days!

Hail!

Posted by: scrumpy1 | February 10, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I know last year was bad because of the passing of Sean Taylor and the teams inability to advance in the playoffs. However, we as Redskins fans need to realize that we are officially screwed in 2008. If I'm wrong, which I hope I am, I will be the first to admit it. But, as long as Dan Snyder owns this team and Vinny Cerrato is playing maid we will never get the satisfaction of having a hard working, winning football team like we did when JCC owned the team and Gibbs 1.0 was here. Being a Northern VA native I'll bleed burgundy and gold until I die, but things will never get as good as they were in the day when real brains with money operated this team.

Posted by: mlewis31 | February 10, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Is there enough of Jim Zorn to go around?

Hell yeah, let's make him QB coach, OC, HC, 3rd string QB, and team chaplin.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 10, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

If you go back to look at the comments on Redskin Insider yesterday, you'll see my forecast that Zorn would emerge as HC. Those who question his leadership should relax. He will come in with the steady hand of Joe Gibbs. Also, an NFL QB of Zorn's stature is the leader of his team. The QB coach is the most important positional coach on the team as well. Zorn is a much greater leader in fact than on paper and will make all Skins fans proud in the days ahead! Hail to the Redskins; welcome Coach Zorn!

Posted by: RedskinsReverend | February 10, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

The fans have spoken: No to Jim Fassel.

Hey Jim, what's it like getting efFed in the assel?

Posted by: bangkokben | February 10, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

We do have a laughing stock among us, but it is not Dan Snyder. The only laughing stock in these parts is one Jason La Canfora. The biggest joke of a reporter this town has seen in a long, long, time. And if you don't realize it, well then you just haven't been paying attention to this guy's "reporting" lately...

"Snyder is not gonna give the head coaching job to someone that doesn't have that big name, that sex appeal, who is not going to help him sell club level seats, and expensive suites." -Jason La Canfora, January 8

"I keep hearing that Jim Fassel is in a great position to get this job" -Jason La Canfora, January 22

"Gregg Williams is by far the leading candidate for this job." -Jason La Canfora, January 12

"Bill Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to" -Jason La Canfora, January 8

"former Baltimore DC Rex Ryan would replace Gregg Williams if it goes down this way" -Jason La Canfora, January 22

"The Redskins have still said nothing to Williams and the rest of the coaches and all signs pointing to Fassel." -Jason La Canfora, January 22

"I Need A Job Where I Can Just Make Things Up And Create The News" -Jason La Canfora, January 21

"In an era of rampant speculation I am being as careful as I can." -Jason La Canfora, January 21

"For all of the yapping about continuity and stability, sure sounds like a blood-letting is upon us. Owner Dan Snyder was given multiple opportunities to endorse an in-house candidate, and specifically Gregg Williams, and declined to do so." -Jason La Canfora, January 8

"Jim Fassel, former Giants coach and Baltimore assistant, could be getting a look." -Jason La Canfora, January 21

"Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to. Now, as I mentioned earlier Cowher would want full roster and personnel control and probably want to bring some of his own people in as well" -Jason La Canfora, January 8

"Cowher is off the market...He knows the kind of $$$ Snyder spends and he is not wavering in his stance" -Jason La Canfora, January 10

"I'd be stunned if the Skins don't reach out to Cowher soon" -Jason La Canfora, January 8

"If it's Gregg Williams, the process will be over in 3-5 days" -Jason La Canfora, January 8

"Several NFL sources said that they took the identification of Schwartz as a candidate as another sign that Williams, who the players strongly support, does not appear to be the front runner." -Jason La Canfora, January 10

"It doesn't come off as a great sign that they bring in Williams's former assistant, obviously" -Jason La Canfora, January 10

"We've just started this process. It's the first interview of many. We need to slow down. It's impossible to see the entire picture right now. It's a fluid situation and this isn't free agency - you don't hire every guy you bring into town." -Jason La Canfora, January 10

"I thought he and Gibbs could have sent a much stronger message about the validity of their in house people as candidates at the press conference" -Jason La Canfora, January 10

"Wouldn't it be an indictment of this entire Joe Gibbs 2.0 era if Snyder went through the process then handed it over to someone with little-to-no head coaching experience - without at least talking to the in-house guys first" -Jason La Canfora, January 10

"Greg Williams will most definitely be a part of the process and, as I posted earlier, he is expected to interview at the end of the cycle, likely the final interview." -Jason La Canfora, January 11

"But to this point I do not have anything firm enough to meet the Post's standards" -Jason La Canfora, January 12

"It would really be something to have none of Gibbs's guys even get an interview" -Jason La Canfora, January 12

"the consensus I keep coming to is Williams is the guy" -Jason La Canfora, January 12

"Got an email from one of those on-line casinos with the odds for the next coach of the Skins. It's notable for what it doesn't say more than what it does:

Gregg Williams - 2/1
The Field - 2/1
Bill Cowher - 5/1
Al Saunders - 5/1
Brian Billick - 6/1
Jason Garrett - 9/1
Mike Singletary - 12/1
Rex Ryan - 12/1
Jim Caldwell - 15/1

So, basically, Vegas has no idea at this point" -Jason La Canfora, January 9

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

"Snyder is not gonna give the head coaching job to someone that doesn't have that big name, that sex appeal, who is not going to help him sell club level seats, and expensive suites." -Jason La Canfora, January 8

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

I've waited a long time to say this, and now seems about as appropriate as ever to disclose that I have spoken to numerous sources at the Washington Post who are in agreement that Jason La Canfora is considered a joke at the Post and will be off the Redskins beat this offseason, if not gone from the paper.

Just thought I'd share that with those who read this blog. You can say what you want about me or my sources, just remember that you heard it hear first: Jason La Canfora is off the Skins beat as of this off season.

And he won't be missed.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

What kind of insider is JLC he needs to get his A$$ down to the park and find out what is going on I could have told evryone what he is reporting it is on ESPN is that all he does read ESPN and then report what he reads. Also stop being so negative toward what the team is doing and report facts.
Posted by: kmdp4 | February 8, 2008 10:33 AM

Nice to know that JLC can make something like clearing cap space to improve the team seem like a bad idea. There are plenty of real things the organization is doing wrong that you can focus on. No need to invent others to fit your agenda.

Posted by: briank450 | February 8, 2008 10:14 AM

Is it just me or have Jason's recent posts had more of a venomous undertone against the skins than normal?

Do you think he reads what everyone writes and is trying to play to the fans hate of the organization?

Posted by: sams3 | February 8, 2008 10:04 AM


I think that Jason is pissed that he doesn't have an inside scoop to anything but contracts that are being reworked!

If I was a beat writer to a team that I didn't care much about anyway, and I was getting beat to scoops by an insider in Hawaii I'd be pissed too!

Posted by: dbussjd | February 8, 2008 10:14 AM


Salary cap, shmalary cap. Doesn't apply to us. Jason hates it, but it's true.

Restructuring contracts is costing us wins? Laughable.

Stop the nonsense.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 8, 2008 10:18 AM


You know Jason, while I respect and appreciate your reporting, sometimes I get really tired of the constant negativity. When it comes to the salary cap, there are plenty of teams out there who supposedly do it the "right" way and always have lots of room under the cap yet never have anything to show for it. Same thing with the front office structure. Plenty of teams have conventional set ups but continue to be mediocre season after season. But to point that out wouldn't be any fun. It's sport around here to do nothing but criticize Snyder and the team. Yes, there have been enough bad decisions warranting criticism, but in the grand scheme of things he hasn't been an owner that long. I think we should be fortunate to have an owner who is so passionate about the team and wanting to win. Any idea how long it took the Rooney's to win a SB? Over 40 years!! And a bunch of em have never won diddly. I believe he's learned plenty since he bought the team and I'm willing to cut him the benefit of the doubt right now. Let's see how this all plays out. For the Redskins the salary cap is an artificial, almost meaningless, number. But it does provide you an avenue for criticism. Enough already.

Posted by: huskerskins | February 8, 2008 10:23 AM


Seriously, Jason, stop the nonsense. Coaches are given an opportunity to pull out when they're no longer being considered. Mora, Gregg, and now Spags have exercised this option.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 7, 2008 02:53 PM


You're saying that you believe Jason when he says that Cowher turned it down because of the front office structure? Since Jason said it it must be fact right? Get real. Cowher has consistently said he's not gonna coach now.

Posted by: fgtdr | February 7, 2008 03:34 PM


I do object to taking cheap shots at the Redskins and calling them facts. I like Jason, but this has become a theme in everything he writes. It's old and tired. When Peter King notices it, it's gone on too long.

Stop the nonsense!

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 7, 2008 03:49 PM

I appreciate the updates JLC, but the conjecture is a little much. Pete Carrol and Bill Cowher are not/were not going to coach 'anywhere' in the NFL this year regardless of the front office setup, owner, city, etc.

If it's such a 'devalued' position, why are quality coaches lining up for marathon interview sessions with Dan Snyder?? Stick to the facts sir..

Posted by: castro123 | February 7, 2008 02:41 PM

JLC comments are BS! JLC reported that Pete Carroll, Bill Cowher and Jim Mora did not want the Skins job. Well, Jim Mora knew Holmgren was going to retire next season and that he would be made HC so that is why he pulled out......Bill Cowher has said all along that he did not plan to coach next season and never deviated from that statement and Carroll has always said if he coaches in the NFL again he wants full control. Pete Carroll did not even interview with ATL but did with Snyder.

What about Jason Garrett turning down the Ravens? Thought that was a world class organization (according to JLC).

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 03:20 PM


JLC is negative 99% of the time about the Skins. And while I know there has not been much to be positive about, he was dissing us when good things were happening.

Not to mention that I was reporting the info on Spags today before HE did. I got it from the "other" paper.

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 03:48 PM


JLC - the only spin is from you.

Williams wasn't offered the job.
Neither was Saunders.
You wrote that Spags wasn't offered.

How does all that support the gig being "devalued" ? The quality of your reporting is what is devalued.

Posted by: cabraman | February 7, 2008 04:45 PM

Publicly the fans want you to stop pretending to be a coach Jla! That means we don't want you telling us how real coaches should run the practice.

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 08:28 PM

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

If this doesn't go down as the straw that broke the camel's back, and costs Jason La Canfora his job, I'd be surprised:

"Snyder is not gonna give the head coaching job to someone that doesn't have that big name, that sex appeal, who is not going to help him sell club level seats, and expensive suites." -Jason La Canfora, January 8

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Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

I have no problema with the hire. My only concern is whether or not Snyder can be patient for this to be successful.

I don't think the 'skins are that far away but I don't see this season as one in which success can be built on. Too much transition likely for any improvement (play-off win).

Of course at the end of the season, next season's success looked eminent.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 10, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Eep.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 10, 2008 3:40 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I just woke up out of the best Saturday night not-going-out ever to find that Barno has completely lost his mind. What a pinhead this guy is.

JLaC is not perfect, but, my God, he basically proved through this whole process that the 'Skins front office Dynamic Duo is completely F-ing clueless. We KNOW that they tried Cowher. We KNOW that they tried Carroll. We KNOW that they tried Mora. We KNOW that they tried Schwartz. We KNOW that they tried GG. We KNOW that they tried Meeks. We KNOW that they tried Spagnuolo.

Ultimately, the question is simple: WHICH coaches turned this owner down? WHY did those coaches turn this owner down? WHAT does the general population of NFL insiders think of this owner? Until we know those answers, the jury is out on the reporting of the "beat reporter".

From where I sit, it's less that Jim Zorn (again, a coach that I adore) is the head coach of the 'Skins and more that no one else wanted this job. It is ABSURD to think that the Dynamic Duo didn't try their damnedest to get the big hire. Why couldn't they land that hire????? barno, get your sources to go answer that question for us.

Why are we settling for Zorn???

Someone please answer this question. This is the crux of this whole front office's offseason debacle.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 5:20 AM | Report abuse

And, I want to add, that in the most ass-backwards way, the 'Skins have landed on a phenomenal coach. Zorn is awesome.

I have NO IDEA if this will translate into wins. But Zorn is such a class act, such an amazing human being, such a respectable figure in the locker room, that I KNOW he will win the players over, I KNOW that the 'Skins will be a team full of "character guys", and I KNOW that they will adhere to the principles of "core Redskins".

Zorn is a very confident, very pious, very respectful and self-respectful man. He will not be run over by "the owner". He will quit before "the owner" does it to him. I assure you.

Again, in the most convoluted and ludicrous manner, I think we may have all lucked out.

That said, GG and Meeks would have been infinitely better choices.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 5:25 AM | Report abuse

And with the whole "FIRE JASON..." BS, barno has entered the pantheon of "Most Annoying RI Posters" in full. What a tool. Go the F away, barno. Go join that pinhead "SIGN CHRIS COOLEY" guy, go join that boofer guy, go join all those Cowboys fans. You add no value to this blog. You never have.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 5:29 AM | Report abuse

I should also add before I go back to bed...

EVERY SINGLE reporter who covers the 'Skins is saying the exact same thing that JLaC has been saying all along. Mike Wise's column is particularly telling...

As for JLaC leaving the beat...he's been doing it for 2+ seasons. No beat reporter since Christine Brennan has done it longer. Of course he won't be here for long. WTF are you thinking? No journalist stays on a beat for that long (except, of course, the inimitable Helen Thomas)...

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 5:35 AM | Report abuse

Man this Barno is even worse than the original. What a chooch.

I can't believe we passed on GGrilliams for this. When the number one quality you look for in your hires is a "yes man" mentality you sacrifice other qualities.

Thanks Dan, when this goes down in flames can you please sell this team? You aren't cut out for operating in the public eye in the ultra competitive world of proffessional sports.

Posted by: Skinz | February 10, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

From today's WP article:

"On Thursday.....observers at Redskins Park began to notice that Zorn was not at the facility as often as expected and had begun spending more time with Snyder and Vinny Cerrato"

This is the kind of info I would have expected to get two days ago from an "insider".

Having said that, I like the choice of Zorn.

Posted by: qpalzm | February 10, 2008 6:32 AM | Report abuse

....I agree with PDiddy's assessment of JZ a few posts back, and I'm a wee bit encouraged by the fact that this seems like an especially unDanlike thing to do. I'd like to think he's finally starting to come around, but it's early yet.

Posted by: qpalzm | February 10, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Never bring up the fassel word again. NOT even for OC. No! No! No!

Posted by: jamesrice | February 10, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn is over his head. The west coast offense does not fit our personnel either. It is not cutting edge anymore, for gods sake the Eagles run it.

Posted by: wdv1137 | February 10, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

How many OCs does that make for JC now? The Kid just cant catch a brake.

As for Jla I think his take on the park is fine but colors his coverage some times. I would like the next beat reporter to have more football IQ.

I remember being fine with Snyder buying the team (Opps), and I thought he had changed until he made VinnyDan GM. 35 is pretty different from 44 and have seen only minor growth, so I don't expect much in the next 40 years. But I am 34 so what do I know.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

For next year and beyond-

Please take your anger out on VinnyDan we know Zorn is a good man and our team is the real deal. I hate to see the anger we saw by uninformed fans, radio people, media, last year with Gibbs "who did a good job" and did have control put on Zorn who even if he has the same leadership skills has almost no control.

BTW - We can now skip the WCO and hire someone from the Saunders Tree. The WCO makes no sense at all for Jason and the coaching staff. We have it because that piss ant Vinny wanted to bring in his minions. Zorn will be gone in 2-3 years and WCO is not whats 'in' anymore. JC is a long ball guy by skill set.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Also Zorn is not young but not old.

He is 55 year old QB coach. That is why he took the HC job.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Diddy,

I appreciate your posts but aren't you a little biased towards Jasno having broke bread with the guy?

I find his reporting to be late, biased, negative, and of course horrible spelling and grammar.

I have heard that he is not well liked inside Redskin Park which certainly doesn't help. I'm all for trying someone new and think Jason Reid might be a good choice.

Posted by: isnadd | February 10, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

oh... shutup w/ the fantasy football remarks! That is absurd to still be gringing this up... IF they were going to still operate under that philosophy by nabbing Dieon's and Bruce Smith's.... Then you would have heard them go for Madden or someting stupid like that....

Let it go...

I am going to keep an open mind to all of this, yet be a bit suspicious as things proceed... but Fantasy Football... please let those days be long gone...

JLC loves to add fuel to the fire that is for sure!

Posted by: EinVB | February 10, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I am impressed that we pulled this guy out of nowhere...

He was on nobody's radar and bang he's our next HC...

So much for the so-called big splash, it wasn't what you would call the a routine NFL HC search, but you can't argue with the so called PATIENCE... I kinda LOVE THIS MOVE, although it was a crazy journey...

I would have preferred GW to be HC with Zorn replacing Saunders..., but we'll never know why that didn't happen... VINNY?

I guess its either PATIENCE or total incompetence... Time will Tell!

HTTR

Posted by: EinVB | February 10, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

We are F*cked.

EinVB you are like Obama - a hope-monger.

"I am impressed that we pulled this guy out of nowhere."

Me - I am impressed that Trump is able to get dates with broke stupid models.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Geez, Barno....

The most critical news of the past 5 weeks is confirmed and you go on a maniacal rant.
It goes to show your priorities.

Considering that the front office has not done a laser like search for a head coach the reporting should reflect this. All reporters who have covered this debacle have been misled and have reported the apparent direction of the focus. When not even Snyder himself has a clue who he wants you want to pin your criticism on the reporting of it. Jason at times gives his opinions but also includes the context of his opinions. This context gives the reader material to judge if the opinion is worthy or not. Since you judge most of Jason's reporting to be wrong then perhaps you should switch to a more enjoyable source of information, one that conforms to your world view. I am sure that the members of this blog, and the Washington Post staff will happily point out to you the exit signs.

Posted by: driley | February 10, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Diddy,

I'll tell you who the real "tool" is on here: The bed-wetting liberal who calls people "liars" when he doesn't agree with them; the guy who, according to him, spends all his time at starbucks; the guy who somehow believes the global warming debate is about whether the temperature is going up; the one who stands up for his precious beat reporter no matter what he says or does and no matter how many times he puts his foot in his mouth he defends his every word.

You are the tool, Diddy. You just don't realize it...

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

It will always be fantasy football, as long as Snyder owns the team. What other idiot attempts to run a sports organization that he knows absolutely nothing about? Smart people with lots of money hire the best people to run the business and stay out of the way. Not Snyder. As long as it is his money, he considers it to be his lifelike version of Nintendo. You, as fans, will always suffer, because success will always be fleeting, even when Snyder occasionally stumbles onto a winning combination.

Posted by: tigersclaw | February 10, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Diddy,

I appreciate your posts but aren't you a little biased towards Jasno having broke bread with the guy?

I find his reporting to be late, biased, negative, and of course horrible spelling and grammar.

I have heard that he is not well liked inside Redskin Park which certainly doesn't help. I'm all for trying someone new and think Jason Reid might be a good choice.

Posted by: isnadd | February 10, 2008 07:54 AM

I used to appreciate his posts until he decided to get start getting personal all the time and call people "liars" when he realized he didn't have the intelligence to defend his positions rationally.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

"Although Zorn had never previously served as a head coach or top-level offensive assistant before joining the Redskins"

Hmmm, that seems like a good way of hiring a head coach. Aye, yi, yi.

Does crossing your fingers help in situations like this? Wow. If he ain't real tough, he could lose the respect of the team real SJKin' fast!

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 10, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

It is interesting that not one reporter got the correct final answer in the search for a head coach by the Washington Redskins. LaCanfora, Shefter, Prisco, Mortenson, Clayton, Elfin - all wrong. No one had any inside information; no one got the scoop. Seemingly, they were all led down the wrong paths together. It seems like Snyder and Ceratto got exactly what they wanted: a news blackout that made the media look bad. Disinformation at its finest.

Is it any wonder that all the interviews were conducted at either Chalet d'Snyder or out of town?

Posted by: tigersclaw | February 10, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Feels much like when the Eagles hired Andy Reid. But that organization has its head screwed on straight. Snyder & Co. are not there. But better than hiring a re-tread. Hope Zorn can manage all his new responsibilities.

Posted by: i155133 | February 10, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Here, I have a real question.

What does this mean for Joe Gibbs?

There has been talk about him staying on as some kind of consultant. The Zorn hire would seem to really open the door for that.

I have an official job title for him: Associate Owner Management Coach.

Otherwise known as A$$oman Coach.

Posted by: SonofNero | February 10, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

To help implement the WCO Zorn might want to bring in UFA D J Hackett. Pallard and Womack are also UFAs.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 10, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Ok I have a question for everyone who has ever interviewed for any job anywhere. What is the purpose of the interview?

Answer: To get to know the personality and skills of the person involved. The higher the pay and responsibility of the position involved the longer and more grueling the interview.

Question two: As an employer do you go into the interview already knowing who you are going to hire?

NO. That is why you have the interview. You have some idea based on resumes or personal recommendations but you do not know. You may often have multiple interviews and be told that you are among a number of candidates being considered for the position.

And then finally the employer makes offers and negotiates to hire the best person for the job. It is a dynamic process and even though you seek out the job and interview you may decide to not accept it for a variety of reasons. This happens every day in the regular process of doing business at all levels. This includes the 15 minute interview at McDonald's to the CEO of major companies to yes even HC of football teams. Offers are extended and rejected and compromises are made. Ultimately the person hired is the best person for the job because he was in fact hired. The parties came to terms acceptable to each and the employer wants the person hired and the person hired desires the position offered. If there is no offer made or the offer is rejected then that person is not the right person for the job. As an employer I do not want someone working for me that does not really want to be there. That actually makes them the wrong person for the job.

The difference here is the prying eyes of the media trying to get the scope and report on every little detail. And the preconceptions of everyone that Danny is going to screw it up again.

Now everybody take a deep breath clear your minds of all your hate and preconceived notions. Ok look back at the process we have seen here and the importance and the money involved. The employer surely has picked the best person available for the position.

Ok so turn the emotion back on as a fan and be happy and cheer your head coach and team on to victory. Because once the games start that is exactly what you are going to do anyway. If you can't do that then I say you were never truly a fan anyway. Besides, we can not predict the future and who knows in 10 years we may be celebrating the career of Zorn I just like we celebrated the coming of Gibbs I.

Posted by: adamchall | February 10, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't buy this argument that certain players are suited to this or that offense. If you can play one you can play the other. The main thing it means is that RBs might be catching the ball more, and Portis and Betts can both catch the ball. As can Sellers.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 10, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

New game -

Press release of the dismissal of Zorn 2009 -

This is my take

"Despite VinnyDan's efforts Zorn messed everything up. He likes little boys too much and no one likes him. Therefor we need to move in another direction. Anyone who wants to be coach there is a slumber party and Dan's house this Friday."

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

adamchall

I hope Dan is giving you time and a half on Sunday.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Mike Wise said, "shock value attached to it -- as if a caper had been solved by Shaggy and Scooby.

Zoinks, it's Zorn!"

How about calling him Zoinks as his nickname???

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 10, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Here, I have a real question.

What does this mean for Joe Gibbs?

There has been talk about him staying on as some kind of consultant. The Zorn hire would seem to really open the door for that.

I have an official job title for him: Associate Owner Management Coach.

Otherwise known as A$$oman Coach.

Posted by: SonofNero | February 10, 2008 09:12 AM

Good point. Also, Gibbs was/is very close with Buges and keeping him on board will give Gibbs yet another reason to stay involved with the team.

This is so much different to '92, I really think that Gibbs has more of a reason to want this team to succeed in the immediate future than he did then--he doesn't want, nor do any of us, the last 4 years to have been a waste.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

when gibbs left he left... you have seen the last of gibbs at redskins park

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 10, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Barno 1,
That's one of the saddest things I've ever seen. How long did that take? Never mind. I don't want to know.

Posted by: mack1 | February 10, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't necessarily think giving Zorn a shot is a bad idea... time will tell.

To all the Danny apologists....

You are kidding yourself if you think Snyder went into this thing and thought for a second Zorn was his head coach. The coaching search was dysfunctional at best. That being said lets face it there was not a whole lot out there to choose from....

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 10, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

How about calling him Zoinks as his nickname???

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 10, 2008 09:31 AM

Why don't we call Mike Wise "Zoinks"? Or maybe we could call him Sally Jenkins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Historically I have been very critical of the front office management of this team, and rightfully so given the level of dysfunction since Snyder took over. And I will continue to express my frustration when the moment is at hand. However, after reading all the news this morning, I am open to Zorn's hiring and look forward to how this plays out. I was very critical about the possibility of hiring Fassel, who had a track record of futility and gave the impression of being so desperate to get back into the game that he would fit into any organization. Bad combination with Snyder & Co. I find it a bit ironic that history is repeating itself, not just the coaching selection but also fan reaction. Zorn may or may not be successful here, but it appears that Snyder & Co. have hired a strong, principled man who is a leader of men who knows football. If that is the case, everything else will fall into place.

Posted by: i155133 | February 10, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Danny has asked Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young to perform at the presser. Can you think of a more appropriate theme song?

And if you can't be with the one you love
It's alright
Go ahead and love the one, love the one, love the one your with
Love the one, love the one, love the one your with
If your guy can't come to you
And you don't remember who your talking to
Your concentration slips away

Posted by: godiva2 | February 10, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Barno 1,
That's one of the saddest things I've ever seen. How long did that take? Never mind. I don't want to know.

Posted by: mack1 | February 10, 2008 09:39 AM

About 3 - 4 minutes. Went to the threads of the past 2 days, Clicked edit, clicked find, typed in Jasno/JLC/Jason and copied then pasted the most damning criticisms.

"I moved here from Canada and they say I'm a little slow, eh?" -Canadian Ralph Wiggum

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I am a little embarrassed to be looking at the blog before church on a Sunday.

Then I see Barno's work. What an Fing moron. Don't you realize everyone here thinks you are an idiot? I prefer the Dan Bots.

Posted by: cleary900 | February 10, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I am a little embarrassed to be looking at the blog before church on a Sunday.

Then I see Barno's work. What an Fing moron. Don't you realize everyone here thinks you are an idiot? I prefer the Dan Bots.

Posted by: cleary900 | February 10, 2008 09:55 AM

Jesus, another one who can't argue without resorting to personal insults. You should be embarrassed...but then again, you already said you were.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

As far as I am aware, the management of the Post does not use this forum to disclose personnel actions. Use this space responsibly to discuss the team and its issues. The paper maintains an Ombudsman for a reason.

Posted by: i155133 | February 10, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Cleary900,

Let me get this straight: On your way to church, you just wanted to just drop by and say you "f'ing moron" and "everyone thinks you're an idiot."

What a genuine man of God you must be.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Barno,

I thought he asked you a very straightforward question: "Don't you realize everyone here thinks you are an idiot?" The answer should be something like "yes" or "no." Maybe with an explanation.

But, instead of answering his question you resort to personal attacks, challenging his commitment to his religious faith. I had expected more of you than personal attacks. You've let me down.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Getting down to what Zorn faces...

1. Mini camps start in the spring. Does he have a playbook for his offense or is he going to photocopy the Seahawk's playbook? In order to not set the offense back he needs to have his system in place very soon so the players can start grasping the new terminology, etc. Of course this all means that the OC hire can not be an extended process.

2.Is Campbell the answer? Campbell's previous mentor is gone. How long will the new learning curve be? Does Zorn have an experienced backup qb in mind that is fluent in his offense? What will it cost to bring him to the Skins?

3. What will Dan tolerate from a first year coach? Will there be a firewall between Zorn and the front office in regards to field matters? What if Zorn and the front office do not agree on personell matters? What if Zorn does not agree on the subordinate hires that are in place?

4. I am sure there is a 5 year contract in place. But what does this mean if the team can not improve on last year's record?
I would love to know the goals that Dan has told Zorn that he will measure him by. Is there a 5 year plan? a 2 year plan? What happens if Zorn feels that the front office is hobbling his chances?

5. Team psyche. This team was Gibbs' and Williams' team by the end of last season. The players bought in 100% by all accounts. Now with this coaching search certain ownership promisses have not been met, such as "continuity". The strong bond between the players and their coaches have been frayed or shattered since Williams has not been hired. Zorn on his own can not be expected to mend the bruised feelings in the player community. The relationship between Snyder/Cerrato and the team has to be addressed. Gibbs is no longer the buffer and conduit. This can be tricky and Cerrato/Snyder have some delicate diplomacy to perform.

5.The fans will rally behind Zorn. He carries no negative baggage, nor has he failed at any point in his coaching career.
Most fans and Snyder hope that he is the reincarnation of Gibbs 1.0. This situation is good for Zorn, he has jumped two rungs on the ladder at once. On the other hand it is a huge risk for Snyder. If Zorn succeeds then Snyder finally looks like he made a professional decision. If Zorn fails then Snyder will FOREVER be tainted. He could have made the decision to hire Williams and most fans would have concurred with this. If Williams failed then that would have had Gibbs' stamp on it as his successor. Now Snyder has exposed himself. The fact of the long, long search will not be forgotten by anyone alive in this era. If Zorn fails then the residual credibility that Snyder has amongst the fans will be gone and it will get real ugly. So be it. "Die est jacta." The die is cast.

Posted by: driley | February 10, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah sigh of relief, no fassell

Posted by: rls1041 | February 10, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

3pm today, huh? right in the middle of every family's sunday afternoon, the caps game on comcast, and pre-game for the pro bowl, huh?

I just don't get it. even when they seem to do something right, they muck it up PR wise.

will the presser even be shown on comcast, the official network of the Skins? are they going to break away from the caps/rangers in the middle of the 3rd period?

Posted by: johnw | February 10, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I dont know. But NBC4 will have it live.

Posted by: roweq | February 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Talent,

I appreciate the sarcasm. That was actually pretty funny...

I'll tell you what's not funny: Les Carpenter including the intimate details of Sean Taylor's custody battle from when he was a child in what was an otherwise fabulous article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/09/AR2008020902504.html

Tonight's game will be special.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

roweq,

that's good to know. thanks.

Posted by: johnw | February 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

ZORNDOG RULES!

Posted by: soc22210 | February 10, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, this "process" has been a month-long celebration of the spirit of shabingus. A genuine PR disaster, an organization that looks about as competent as the government, and an at-best lackluster set of people who were in consideration for the most important job in Washington.
The most galling thing has been the absolute lack of a proven, capable, elite person for the job. I like Cowher, but his body of work doesn't scream "elite". None of the other people mentioned, interviewed, denied, fired, rumored, or otherwise thought of in connection with this job are the least bit inspiring.
So I have no problem with Zorn; long-time league talent_evaluators and other guys have described him as Super Smart, and that's what we need Up Here. And between the great unwashed masses of Gregg, Meeks, Fassel, Mariucci, Spagnuolo, Carroll, Billick, and-whoever-else-I'm-missing, you're telling me that one of them was the mortal-lock guarantee to the Super Bowl???

Posted by: daggar | February 10, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

As far as Barno..Take him with a grain of salt. He said that he would rather have Dan Snyder than JKC as owner a couple of weeks ago. I know, I know his first response will be "Don't put words in my mouth". Go back and look it up. Also he is the same person that said he is voting for McCain because he TRUST him. He is trusting a politician? Based that info any further postings from BARNO should come with a disclaimer.

Posted by: roweq | February 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Barno has lots of opinions.
Barno doesn't like the Rooney Rule.
Barno doesn't believe people have played a role in global warming.
Barno supports Bush
Barno approves the war.
Barno is voting for McCain.
Barno thinks liberals wet the bed.
Barno questions other poster's intellect.
Barno questions other poster's faith.

Yet, Barno has a big problem with the Redskin Insider reporter stating his opinion about the Redskins on his own blog.

Posted by: mack1 | February 10, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Let's not forget who Hasselbeck has had to face the past several years in his division: the Rams, 49ers, and Cards.

Yeah, that's 6 rough games a year.

I'll give you that Zorn appears to have a done a decent job in grooming the QB position there, but c'mon...head coach? This is the best they could do?

I guess they got tired of waiting at the altar while Mora, Spags, and the other candidates passed on the job. Had to pull the trigger at some point...why not Jim Zorn!

One step forward, two steps back. Nice job, DannyBoy.

Posted by: mdellinger | February 10, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to have to defend Barno on this one. I love this blog and have always believed that since this was a blog and not an editorial, JLC had the right to express his opinions without the types of facts that would be necessary for one of his stories. However, he is going way overboard with negativity today. Siting sources to back up his disdain for Snyder and the organization.
On a day like today, when the fans are filled with some hope/optimism JLC should have talked about how Zorn has the possiblity of excelling in DC like Andy Reid has in Philly. When Reid was hired to be a HC he was nothing more than a QB coach in Green Bay for Holmgrem with no OC experience. Similiar stories that I think fans would like to read about on an exciting day. But instead JLC has opted to once again sprinkle us with his dislike of the Redskins.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 10, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey leevi, sorry if it sounded like I was attacking you last night. It's hard to pick up tone of voice in type. I really was asking if you knew if this guy was even credible, I'd never heard of him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Lemme frigging post you rubbish filled blog. You're one of the most prestigous papers in the world and yet your technology is pure excrement.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 10, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I am waiting for Barno to start referring to the beat reporter as Templeton. JLC was just on Sportscenter this morning via phone so maybe Barno is right in some aspects that he is trying to further his career. But who doesn't.

Now that we finally have our coach I am real interested to see what direction we go as far as FA and the draft. Our offense has been struggling for years anyway so the D is gonna be reponsible for how successful we are in 2008 once again.

Posted by: cdubb | February 10, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm scratching my head over this one. Funny thing is, I actually considered this a possibility a week ago. I mean, if everybody they chased walked away from the job and all they had left was Fassel or no one...

Like Mike Wise wrote today, it was closing time. The looked around, saw Zorn, it was late, hey, he'll do just fine.

And I hope he does. He seems like a genuinely good person. Unfortunately that doesn't make him a great coach. For all those who want to compare this to the hire of Joe Gibbs by Bobby Beathard, you can't. Gibbs was the coordinator of the high-flying, high-powered Air Coryell offense. Zorn was the QB coach for Holmgren. Maybe something rubbed off, but QB coaches aren't exposed to as much as offensive coordinators. Will Zorn end up being a better head coach than Gregg Williams? It doesn't look like he should, but you never know.

But my dislike for Snyder continues, that I do know. I bought a t-shirt the other day that many of you might like:

www.printfection.com/snydermustgo

It's very stylish and timely.

Posted by: ygbrown2001 | February 10, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Lemme frigging post you rubbish filled blog. You're one of the most prestigous papers in the world and yet your technology is pure excrement.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 10, 2008 10:57 AM

LMGO! Post of the day on the most important day in redskins history!!!(*)


(*) Subject to official video review.

Posted by: daggar | February 10, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

One hour later.

Barno,

I get it. You don't care for JLC. Alright already. We got it weeks ago.

Perhaps you could credit him about the indication that the new coach would come out of nowhere...or not.

As for the west coast offense haters, I was with you until Art got his due. The reason I hated the wco was because it inflated the stats of less talented receivers such as Chris Carter so that buffoons like Jason Whitlock would write crap that Art Monk dosen't deserve the HoF. The reason he was selected to such few pro bowls was the fact that the wco and the run and shoot changed the game to pass first and therefore chumps like Sterling Sharpe, Herman Moore and Andre Rison would get selected over #81.

Now, the wco still is effective. The 'skins offense was ranked 11th and scored over 22 points per game when Bill Musgrave was brought in and introduced elements of it for the 'skins. Gibbs 2.1 offense was ranked 30th and scored 15 ppg before the transition. A major turn around that got lost in the fact that Brunnel's arm was dead by the playoffs and Randy Thomas couldn't help the running game with a broken leg. Typically, the 'skins - this time Joe - over reacted and brought in Saunders. Now the colonel and his offense was not to blame for 2.3 - it was double G and the defense (the primary reason he's not HC).

This offense does have the personnel. This should mean more touches for Mike Sellers - to me that's a good thing. The question is whether or not they can get it together by the end of next season. If the defense doesn't regress and can hold it together in time for the offense to gel then we might have something to crow about.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 10, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else find it hysterical that guys like Barno, (and some other dude) who bash Janso for using unnamed sources than come on here using even more unsubstantiated fox newzisms like "some say" and "I have heard" while making predictions that are open ended (leaving the beat, which has regularly turned over).....

Oh well....and Barno man...grind your axe, twist words, puke out your delusions to your right wing yahoo content but please, don't ever do that long caps repeating siht. That really proves what a complete joyless jerk you are on this blog (notice I didn't say real life, I have my guess but am only judging on your actions here) that crap is ridiculous, childish and shows you to be, well, lame.

KriSSy LarrY

Posted by: clawrence | February 10, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse


Here, I have a real question.

What does this mean for Joe Gibbs?

There has been talk about him staying on as some kind of consultant. The Zorn hire would seem to really open the door for that.

I have an official job title for him: Associate Owner Management Coach.

Otherwise known as A$$oman Coach.

Posted by: SonofNero | February 10, 2008 09:12 AM

Good point. Also, Gibbs was/is very close with Buges and keeping him on board will give Gibbs yet another reason to stay involved with the team.

This is so much different to '92, I really think that Gibbs has more of a reason to want this team to succeed in the immediate future than he did then--he doesn't want, nor do any of us, the last 4 years to have been a waste.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 09:31 AM

wouldn't it be great if Gibb's position as "consultant" was actually to act as a firewall between snyderatto and the real football staff?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Zorn was the QB coach for Holmgren. Maybe something rubbed off, but QB coaches aren't exposed to as much as offensive coordinators.

Posted by: ygbrown2001 | February 10, 2008 10:59 AM

Actually I read somewhere (I've read so much lately about all this I can't remember where) that Zorn was responsible for 3down and 7 plus plays, and for tweaking Holmgrens offense when teams were adjusting to it (meaning he changed some things). He wasn't afraid of Holmgren and was the one person that would challenge Holmgren. Most of us know how staunchly Holmgren applies his authority when it comes to his offense. He worked closely with the OC and Holmgren to game plan and make halftime adjustments. I'm not worried about his coaching per se, more the administrative stuff that a head coach has to deal with.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"wouldn't it be great if Gibb's position as "consultant" was actually to act as a firewall between snyderatto and the real football staff?"

Sounds to me like it already was.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 10, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Here is my quick hits, care as you will:

- I am guardedly optimistic about Zorn. I like the non splash, I like the fact the coach is going to leave Blanche alone. I like a first timer who is hungry.

- The process this has gone through can only be described in these words: Shabingus, FUBAR, Clusterf*ck....you get the point.

- Vindanity reigns upon us...take cover!

Posted by: clawrence | February 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Oh and C-Dub, Barno has already equated Barno to Templeton (the wire)......

Posted by: clawrence | February 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

>>> "the coach is going to leave Blanche"

As long as he leaves Dorothy, Rose, and Sophia alone as well, it's all good.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Apparently these 2 dbags still think they did an outstanding job. Nauseating...

Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder discussed the team's month-long search for a new head coach on Saturday, a process that ended with the hiring of Jim Zorn.
Snyder, executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and other team officials evaluated more than 50 potential candidates for the head coaching job after Joe Gibbs retired on Jan. 8.

They selected 10 candidates for interviews, including New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo last week.

In the end, they went back to Zorn.

The Redskins had hired Zorn on Jan. 26 as offensive coordinator, but he impressed team officials so much that they started to regard him as a viable head coaching candidate.

"We knew of Jim's stellar offensive reputation, so we hired him as coordinator, but we also suspected he would be a strong candidate for head coach," Snyder said in a statement released by the team. "After our first six-hour interview with him, I told Joe (Gibbs), 'This guy would make a terrific head coach.'

"But we stayed true to our commitment to interview every candidate. That took longer than expected because the Giants kept moving through the playoffs. Once we completed our interview with Steve Spagnuolo and concluded a day of discussion about all candidates, I called Jim and asked him to meet for lunch.

"I told him we were considering him as the next head coach, and asked if he wanted to move forward. Without hesitation, he said 'Absolutely,' and that's all I needed to hear."

Snyder and team officials interviewed Zorn for two days, just like every other candidate.

"Those sessions only confirmed my earlier comment to Joe: Jim Zorn will be a terrific head coach," Snyder said.

Added Snyder: "I appreciate our fans' patience during this process. We promised a full search and we stuck to that promise.

"I also want to thank Joe for his daily encouragement to stay the course, be patient, and fully interview everyone we identified as a potential head coach. I also want to thank all the candidates for their time and hard work. They are all strong coaches and good people."

Cerrato said: "I'm proud of our work over the past 30 days, and I'm excited by the outcome. We worked seven days a week, late into the night. We were thorough, professional and detailed.

"Our process was designed to identify the best candidate and it did. Jim is the only coach we offered the job to, contrary to some reports."

Posted by: cdubb | February 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Dilfer remembers Zorn being the only man on the Seahawks' coaching staff who would challenge the iron rule of Holmgren, who often stood as an intimidating presence to other coaches and players, frequently volcanic in his displeasure. Around 2001, as defenses became more extravagant and teams employed new blitz schemes, it was Zorn, along with Hasselbeck and Dilfer, who designed the Seahawks' responses to those changes, Dilfer said. Then Zorn would take the new plays to Holmgren, mining the dangerous waters of a coach who did not like his system to be questioned.

"He pretty much deserves more credit for Seattle's evolution as an offense than anyone on that staff," Dilfer said.
WaPo

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

As far as Barno..Take him with a grain of salt. He said that he would rather have Dan Snyder than JKC as owner a couple of weeks ago. I know, I know his first response will be "Don't put words in my mouth". Go back and look it up. Also he is the same person that said he is voting for McCain because he TRUST him. He is trusting a politician? Based that info any further postings from BARNO should come with a disclaimer.

Posted by: roweq | February 10, 2008 10:41 AM

You are damn right the first words from me are don't put words in my mouth. I have never, I repeat never, said said that I " would rather have Dan Snyder than Jack Kent Cooke as owner." Not on this blog, not to myself, not to anyone. I never even implied anything like that.

I've said it before and I will say it again, anything Roweq says on this blog should be met with great skepticism, as he routinely make things up. This IS a fact.

I don't like using the word "liar" and I have indeed criticized Diddy for calling people liars simply because he disagrees with them on an issue. However, this is different. Roweq routinely makes things up for no apparent reason, and no one should believe a word he says. This is at least the 3rd time he has completley fabricated out of thin air a comment from me, and I will not sit by and let it go unchallenged.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

In addition to helping Hasselbeck go from struggling former sixth-round choice to Pro Bowl regular, Zorn was the assistant coach in charge of handling third-and-7 or longer. The Seahawks had some success in this area during his tenure, but their third-down offense struggled in general once Shaun Alexander hit a wall with injuries and the offensive line struggled.

Mike Sando (ESPN)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Dear Krissy,

You're right. I shouldn't have done the whole CAPS repetetive crap...I don't like it when others do that stuff and I regret doing it myself. What can i say, it was late...

If TheCindy is reading, feel free to delete that post (not that you would need my permission...just sayin).

Sincerely,

Barno

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I see we are talking about the HC and Barno. I say who really cares. The new coach is a tool of VinnyDan. I hope we can stipulate that fact. (But no I was not in the threesome so I don't know DanBots)

The real question is VinnyDAN.

What has VinnyDan shown us 1999-2004, not counting Marty Ball, and the last 4 weeks that would indicate any ability at all on football matters other then some good first round draft picks. I have been told the the first round is not hard.

This is why I have no hope.

We are &*%*^&^(&*.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Jason, new name for the blog "Redskins Outsider",
because you obviously report what you surmise but lack an official connection. Fassel???? Are you kidding me. The only thing about Fassel is that The Danny didn't hire him because of the posting and outrage from Redskins Nation.

I would love to see more "Insider" that the noodles at ESPN didn't already know about.

Your a good dude J. Just don't sell me on your "Inside".

Posted by: bertoxterp | February 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I believe it was Tim Brant (Channel 7 Sports) who observed last week that Jim Zorn was parking in Joe Gibbs' former parking space at Redskins Park and made an off the cuff remark that maybe Dan Synder had promoted Zorn to Head Coach. Tim was jesting when in fact it became reality!!

Regardin JLC, he's done a great job in keeping updated on the search for the new HC. Keep up the good work JLC!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | February 10, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

We need a coach in charge of 1st and 10.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Mul,

I generally agree with a lot of your comments, but I don't think you're being fair to the front office peeps. They have actually done quite well in free agency and the draft with a few notable exceptions, and...oh wait, you were saying prior to 2004. Nevermind.

Barno

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I am pleasantly surprised.

JZ seems like a good guy cut from the Gibbs mold.

This doesn't wash away the stain of this whole dysfunctional coach search mess, but if JZ can exert some degree of authority and manage and lead well and keep good character on the team, then that will be pretty good.

Do you think they can go 19-0 next year now that this is settled? Ha ha, Just kidding.

Posted by: Craazyman | February 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"Our process was designed to identify the best candidate and it did. Jim is the only coach we offered the job to, contrary to some reports."

Posted by: cdubb

Ahh they took 'Thorough' out of process. I think we just won a great victory.

Wait I thought we were going to get a 'Thorough process'. WTF. We have won nothing.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Barno,

I would still be interested in reading your answer to the question posed to you earlier: "Don't you realize everyone here thinks you are an idiot?" You didn't answer the guy but just started calling him names.

You berate others (correctly, I think) for not taking the high road and for their ad hominem attacks. But you don't seem to hold yourself to a very high standard. It seems hypocritical.

But, on this particular question, I thought it deserves an answer not a personal attack on the writer. What is your take? Do you see yourself as a misunderstood genius? A underappreciated prophet? A provocative thinker?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Talent,

The guy says he's on his way to church, but just wanted to stop by and say "you're a f'ing moron" and "everyone thinks you're an idiot." To me, one rhetorical question/comment like that ("do you realize everyone on here think's you're an idiot") deserved another ("what a genuine man of God you must be").

I thought you were being sarcastic when you asked for an answer to that question...but I guess not. No, I don't think everyone shares that same opinion. Sure, there are several vocal posters who apparently believe that (ChrisLarry, Diddy, Tdawg, NoJunk4me, and yourself, just to name a few) but there have also been a number of posters who have agreed with my criticisms of JLC and quite a few who have supported other comments I've made on other topics. So to say that "everyone on here" agrees on anything is simply false.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I am squarely in the Barno (and Barno1) is an idiot camp. That goes for Krissy Larry as well...

I will say this about old B, he has his Orwellian double speak down!

Posted by: clawrence | February 10, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

So to say that "everyone on here" agrees on anything is simply false.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 11:53 AM

Boy, that's for sure. I'm trying to remember one thing where we had unanimity. We even had a few haters up here when Sean Taylor was murdered.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Who says this wasn't a sexy hire? Much to my wife's chagrin, I stayed up all night looking at zornography.


Posted by: ellinwoods | February 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to hear who everyone is considering for new OC and quarterback coach.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Other coaches refused to get into bed with Danny, but lucky for him, he'll always be able to pay for some zorn.

Posted by: ellinwoods | February 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Should we now call the true believers the Zorn Nuts?

Posted by: ellinwoods | February 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Does that make him a zornstar?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

wooo!!! yeah we got the Zornmeister!!!!! I don't know how this season will play out but i hope it'll be a good one. Let's get ready to play some ball guys.

Posted by: tamika02 | February 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Anyone? Anyone? OC for hire. Any guesses?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to make some Zornstar t-shirts!

Posted by: ellinwoods | February 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Well we finally have a coach. Finally! This has been agonizing. From all the miss direction, the conjecture by the media, the near hires, the removals from the running, all of it. Just absolutely agonizing. I'm excited for the Zorn era. It reminds me a lot of Gibbs 1.0, which is what I think Snyder likes about him so much. So hopefully now we can move on to more important things, like the draft and kicking Dallas's arse!, and taking us back to the promised land.

Posted by: JustinBaker | February 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea who he'd hire. It's not like he had a staff under him as an OC somewhere. We can probably narrow it down to someone with extensive experience in the west coast offense. Where is Morninwheg these days?

Posted by: ellinwoods | February 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I'll even accept baseless conjecture at this point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Did Norm Chow get hired somewhere?

Posted by: ellinwoods | February 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I believe Marty is in Philly

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Zorn gets job while another Jim gets jobbed
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10631641

I know this was written to make the reader feel some sympathy for Fossil, but all I can feel is that I'm glad we don't have to deal with this loser.

Posted by: JustMe | February 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Marty would make some sense, even though he was a miserable failure in Detroit (who isn't?).

I think he should hire someone with HC experience who can get him acclimated to the new duties he'll have like media commitments, etc.

Marty has been an HC and is from the Holmgren family tree.

Posted by: ellinwoods | February 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

this is some crazy footage right here...

http://wcbstv.com/seenon/street.brawl.nyc.2.649886.html

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Apologies in advance.

The Dan likes to F Jim's assel.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I believe Norms OC at UCLA

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

what about Marty Mornhinwig, in Philly. Didn't they say they would not block his move to another team?

Posted by: JustinBaker | February 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Another approach would be to hire someone who excelled playing in the WC offense as QB coach. Someone like Steve Young?

Posted by: ellinwoods | February 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JustMe | February 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm really excited about this pick. It wasn't fassel, a guy who has been out of the NFC East for 4 years, but instead a fresh face who's going to give JCam a chance to develop. What's not to love about this move? We didn't land a marlin, but did get a nice catch. It's something new and maybe that's exactly what this team needs. He's alot like Gibbs, just a guy from the west coast looking for a chance. Maybe he too can bring us a few lombardi trophies.

Posted by: harrisso | February 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted: 6 minutes ago
Redskins players react positively to Zorn hiring
By Andy Fenelon | NFL.com


KO OLINA, Hawaii -- When tight end Chris Cooley and long snapper Ethan Albright, two of the three Washington Redskins' Pro Bowl representatives, learned of the hiring of Jim Zorn as their new head coach Saturday, the first person they tracked down was Seattle Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck.

"I think he's going to be an excellent coach," said Hasselbeck, who had worked closely with Zorn since 2001, when Zorn became Seattle's quarterbacks coach. "But I told the guys here (in Hawaii) they better expect to work."

Cooley and Albright both appeared genuinely excited about Zorn replacing Joe Gibbs as their head coach. Albright heard the news while sitting poolside with his 2-year-old son at the JW Marriott Ihilani Resort and Spa. Cooley heard shortly thereafter.

"Things I've heard is that he's a players' coach, an excellent teacher," said Albright. "Some coaches have it all up here (in the head) but can't get it across to the players. He's very good at communicating. He's very good at getting his ideas across to his players."

Added Cooley: "Personally, I was actually excited because it was someone that was already involved. It was someone they were obviously happy with as the offensive coordinator. I think it's a good decision for us.

Cooley had the chance to have a long discussion with Zorn by phone when the Redskins hired Zorn as their offensive coordinator Jan. 26.

"It was kind of like a get-to-know-you conversation," Cooley said. "He was hired as the offensive coordinator, so obviously we're going to be spending a lot of time together. We talked a lot about our backgrounds. And I really enjoyed our conversation."

Zorn was instrumental in turning Hasselbeck into a Pro Bowl quarterback. Hasselbeck said he expects improvement from Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell, who has been an inconsistent player since becoming the starter in Washington midway through the 2006 season.

But Hasselbeck warns Redskins fans not to expect Campbell to turn into a Pro Bowl player overnight.

"When he first started working with me, we went back to Day 1 with fundamentals -- from center-quarterback exchange, to how to throw footballs, to how you talk in the huddle," Hasselbeck said. "He talked about everything. And it's hard. It's not easy to change from what you've been doing for such a long time."

Zorn becomes the fourth quarterbacks coach under Mike Holmgren to become an NFL head coach. Previously in Green Bay, Steve Mariucci, Andy Reid and Jon Gruden all worked with the quarterbacks under Holmgren.

Hasselebeck believes Zorn is more than prepared for the task he inherits in Washington because of how Holmgren has prepared him.

"Mike's style is that he coaches his coaches. He makes them leaders, creative guys," Hasselbeck said. "He expects his position coaches to coach the players, and he allows those guys to flourish and grow.

"And he's hard on his coaches, very, very demanding. He's demanding of his players, but even more demanding of his coaches."

Posted by: bangkokben | February 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

SHABINGUS?

Posted by: Dorf | February 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Just read about who was hired for D line coach, someone who is a retired assistant from Tennessee Tech (that football powerhouse) and has never coached in the NFL, BUT has strong ties to Vinnie Cerrato, add that to a QB coach who has never been a head coach and there you have it the laughingstock of the NFL

Oh wait, we don't have an OC, does Vinnie have a brother? There you go, we are all set. I thought at first 4-12, now thinking 2-14 or possibly 0-16, but then again even Miami won a game last year.

This would be absolutely hilarious if it were another team, but no such luck as no other owner is so crazy!!

Sure the players are on the phone with you saying nice things, the next call is their agent to try and get out of here. Although I hear, these guys are players coaches, so the players can stay here, make millions and do whatever they want, chad johnson anyone?

How far we have fallen in a matter of a month!!!!

Posted by: kathymac1 | February 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

""If you want to play the percentages you play with guys you know you can count on," Fassel said."

Jim Fassel should have been one of those guys...""

Not that I like Zorn as HC(loved him as a player years ago) but one thing is I am glad the Skins did not hire Fassel.

Unless Snyder told him so, he was not the next coach of the Redskins. I don't like Snyder one bit, but Fassel is as much if not more of an ass the he is.

This kind of thing makes ligten up the hiring of Zorn. If it were Fassel....yikes!

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10631641

Good find "JustMe"

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

James Hammer - Do you work for Snyder, what in the PR department?

Posted by: kathymac1 | February 10, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kathymac1 | February 10, 2008 12:28 PM

I love your optimism before we even have a chance to see the product. I guess you would rather have the living fossil. Maybe we should have let you pick.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

This Jets fane feels sorry for you RedSkin fans.

I know alot of Giant fans and even before last week's Super victory, they were clearly and only focused on the Cowboys with an outside passing reference to the Eagles MAYBE getting it together for 1 more run. But the RedSkins weren't even mentioned by a single person among the 20 Giant fans I spoke to during and after the Super Bowl. One guy I know who lives and breathes football 24/7 (I don't know how he manages to hold down a job and family at the same time) said the RedSkins won't even be in the rearview mirror until 2012. He expects Zorn to be fired in 2 years, 3 tops, and then a big name like Cowher to take over and the Skins to start over -- again.

It's too bad. Gibbs did a really good job (I can't believe you guys are trashing a HOF coach who said he wants to spend time with his leukemia-stricken grandson) and the man said that Greg Williams was the guy to replace him. Cerrato and Snyder basically told Gibbs to go bleep himself and gave Williams token interviews. Then they embarass the franchise and look like clowns, hiring a guy who probably would have been a good OC but is clearly going to be in over his head managing a staff, 51 players, a moron team president, and a bigger moron owner.

The Giants and the RedSkin rivalry was THE RIVALRY in the 1980's when the Cowboys and Eagles were afterthoughts. Unfortunatlely, it now appears that the RedSkins are going to be afterthoughts for years to come thanks to Cerrato and Snyder.

Posted by: fbifulco | February 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I'm a little excited about this move, but also apprehensive. I don't like the front office, I think this whole thing has been a mess. But it's done now. I'm not gonna dump on the coaching staff or the players, they'll have my support. And I am a little tired of all the negativity that I keep reading. Not that it's unfounded. Everyone has a right to their opinion, as for me, I will be the eternal optimist that I have had to train myself to be. After all, I have been a fan for almost 30 years and have to hope. Have to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

One guy I know who lives and breathes football 24/7 (I don't know how he manages to hold down a job and family at the same time) said the RedSkins won't even be in the rearview mirror until 2012. He expects Zorn to be fired in 2 years, 3 tops, and then a big name like Cowher to take over and the Skins to start over -- again.

Posted by: fbifulco | February 10, 2008 12:43 PM

When these people can actually see into the future, come talk to me. These Giants fans are the same people that had to stomach losing to use late in the season when they needed the game. Good for them, they won a Superbowl, this doesn't mean that they're all of a sudden psychic.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

be in over his head managing a staff, 51 players, a moron team president, and a bigger moron owner.

The Giants and the RedSkin rivalry was THE RIVALRY in the 1980's when the Cowboys and Eagles were afterthoughts. Unfortunatlely, it now appears that the RedSkins are going to be afterthoughts for years to come thanks to Cerrato and Snyder.

Posted by: fbifulco | February 10, 2008 12:43 PM

Like scampbell1975 I must correct you. We have a moron team 'vice' president.

scampbell1975 you are a hope-monger. If you have been a fan this long every fiber in your body must be telling you this is not good. Getting pity from a jets fans OMG.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

So I am hoping that Zorn coaches his guts out for the fans because he is super smart and what I would call a true Redskin...

Maybe this will work at this point we have to see how it plays out. Only George Allen gets fired during the pre-season.

Now we need to fix the salary cap and sign a player or two and make it to the draft. I am guessing the first mini-camp will be in late April.

The schedule looks good next year - we'll see...

Posted by: ssh1549 | February 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975 you are a hope-monger. If you have been a fan this long every fiber in your body must be telling you this is not good. Getting pity from a jets fans OMG.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 12:58 PM

It's true, I am a hope monger, and if the living fossil was our head coach every fiber in my body would be telling me that this is not good. Right now, I have reservations, but I'm willing to give Zorn a shot and hope for the best. Screw the jets. Screw the Giants. What else can I say?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The chat has been moved to 1:30pm. JLa is on ESPNEWS via phone right now.

Posted by: JustMe | February 10, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News- 1:04Pm

Zorn agrees to let LPD (little prick danny) call plays on third down. They mutually agreed that LPD has a wealth of football knowledge from watching the game from high above in the owner's box and listening in on Al S. and Joe Gibbs during games last couple of years.

This experience will prove instrumental to the Redskins success in the years to come. LPD and boytoy Vinny will also be in charge of calling time outs and drawing up plays in key situations, such as 3rd and 7's or key fourth downs.

Posted by: redskins0and16 | February 10, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The schedule looks good next year - we'll see...

Posted by: ssh1549

Are we playing any division II teams next year? Did we get moved to the AFC west?

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

What ??? JZ is our new head coach??

I knew his last album 'American Gangster" wasn't his best effort, but he didn't have to go this far....oh well...does that mean Beyonce will move to DC !!!!

How about that !!! Hova is our new coach.....Everyone put your hands up ...let me hear ya say

HOVA !! HOVA !! HOVA !!

Posted by: cej75024 | February 10, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Are we playing any division II teams next year? Did we get moved to the AFC west?

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 01:10 PM

We do have the Bengals. That's pretty close.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

San Fran and Baltimore as well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"When these people can actually see into the future, come talk to me. These Giants fans are the same people that had to stomach losing to use late in the season when they needed the game. Good for them, they won a Superbowl, this doesn't mean that they're all of a sudden psychic."

Scamp, the Giants could very easily have gone out in the 1st or 2nd round. Even Giant fans are under no illusion. But they made the playoffs 3 years in a row thanks to CONTINUITY and if you give yourself a CHANCE to get into the playoffs, you have a CHANCE to get lucky or hot or both and go deep. Maybe even win it all. The Giants did.

Hey, I'm a Skins fan because I LIKE to see good old-fashioned 1980's-like rivalries. The Giants-Skins was one of the best; outside of the last 2 years, ever since the 1960's, when the Giants were good the Cowboys stunk and vice-versay. The Eagles rivalry is mostly hatred between the fans, not the teams. You guys must remember those great Gibbs vs. Parcells games of the 1980's, no?

Hey, I like Jim Zorn -- don't get me wrong. I think Campbell has the potential to be a good QB. But as the HC, Zorn is going to be spending most of his time away from Campbell.

One more thing: I don't get this anti-Fassell hatred. OK, I know you guys don't want to hire an ex-Giant, but good grief, my team hired an ex-Patriots guy (who has since turned on Belicheat, thank fully ! lol). Fassel had a winning record as HC with the Giants and got a mediocre team to the Super Bowl. If Snyder is going to can his current coach in 2-3 years for Cowher or another big name -- and he is, because the RedSkins are looking at a couple of 4-12 and 3-13 seasons, IMO -- he'd have done better with Fassel as HC and Zorn as OC rather than Zorn as HC (1st time learning the ropes) and fill-in-the-blank as OC.

Synder is damn good at making money. As an owner, he's only good at putting smiles on the faces of fans -- namely, Cowboy and Giant fans, who are going to be the only ones fighting for the NFC East the next 3-4 years. Believe me, I know something about border-line payoff teams collapsing to below-mediocrity the next year (see, 2006 and 2007 NY Jets). Why he passed on Greg Williams -- a guy who did great things with a D that didn't have tons of stars -- is beyond me. I know the guy was a clod in Buffalo but he seemed to have turned it around. He got a stamp of approval from Joe Gibbs and he still got treated like garbage by Snyder and Cerrato.

I think Snyder will rue the day he passed on Williams, and I agree with Peter King who said Snyder had no intention of ever hiring him but felt he had to 'make it look good' lest he spit on Gibbs's recommendation and endorsement (it's on thing to not hire him, it's another to not even interview him).

I wish Zorn and Gibbs well. And you Skins fans too -- you're gonna need it the next few years until Cowher or Carrol or the NBN -- Next Big Name -- comes on board.

Cheer up. Could be worse. You guys could be Knicks fans. Or Clippers fans. Or Lions fans. Or Tampa Bay DevilRay fans.

Keep the faith.

Posted by: fbifulco | February 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

HOVA !! HOVA !! HOVA !!

Posted by: cej75024

You took a wrong turn in cyberspace. We don't get that kind of joke up here. It is all pot bellies up here.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, the Giants could very easily have gone out in the 1st or 2nd round. Even Giant fans are under no illusion. But they made the playoffs 3 years in a row thanks to CONTINUITY and if you give yourself a CHANCE to get into the playoffs, you have a CHANCE to get lucky or hot or both and go deep. Maybe even win it all. The Giants did

Posted by: fbifulco | February 10, 2008 01:13 PM

I believe we got continuity where we needed it. On defense. Our offense needed an upgrade to this century. I agree with the GG references and must put in my hope. After all, what else do I have right now. We have no idea what's gonna happen with this team yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Are we playing any division II teams next year? Did we get moved to the AFC west?

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 01:10 PM

We do have the Bengals. That's pretty close.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Yes we will have 85 on our team for a cheap price no doubt. So we might win next year.

Posted by: mul | February 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

What's all this BS about wanting to see J.La go? Was there even a Redskins Insider before him? And how long has he been working the 'Skins beat? And didn't he just get a new guy working it with him? You all pull for continuity within the 'Skins organization because you understand that doing things well takes time - that a foundation needs to be established for future success to be built upon. The same is true with any profession, including reporting. Gathering facts and writing stories is based primarily on two things - sources and research. Anyone can do the research, but establishing sources (like installing a successful offensive or defensive scheme) takes time. If you pull out J.La then a new reporter would just have to come in and start from scratch, building his reputation with the people around the league. Give the man some time - nobody can be correct 100% of the time. Geeze, it's not like the Post is the Baltimore Sun (Wire reference for my boy). Chill.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 10, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

We just want his chats to start on time...

Posted by: daggar | February 10, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"When he first started working with me, we went back to Day 1 with fundamentals -- from center-quarterback exchange, to how to throw footballs, to how you talk in the huddle," Hasselbeck said. "He talked about everything. And it's hard. It's not easy to change from what you've been doing for such a long time."

YEAH YEAH YEAH One little thing. ZORN WONT BE the QB coach and he won't be the OC. He wont' have time for that every day communication with campbell, so he better get a great OC and a great QB coach,

As it is, campbell now has his THIRD in the past six weeks. Saunders, Zorn, and now ???

Posted by: corkczar | February 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: JustMe | February 10, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

My first reaction to the news was good choice.... I know this wasn't the plan and they ended up with the girl they met at "last call" but it could the best choice in the end.....I'm certain all the players are happy and motovated ...... Now they must get more talent and fully develope Jason Campbell....We will have plenty of time to break down what the needs are..... My early thinking is a playmaker on offense and a play maker up front on defense should keep us competitive if we remain healthy and JC developes...... I am happy and sure the team is too......

Posted by: Oldschool | February 10, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Zorn will be buying much gear from Toys R Us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfGZsPLDkY8

Good to see a coach with a sense of humor and creativity.

Posted by: pgustav | February 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey kathymac1 I think James Hammer is right!So why don't you move to some other team and all you other negative fans stay at home.We don't need your BS.I think Zorn is going to bring new life to our beloved REDSKINS.Plus I believe that Danny Boy made the right choice and was very mature about the whole process.So stop being so negative and start being more positive.Because there is know one who wants to win more than Danny and he truely loves our REDSKINS JG said it himself.So are you calling JG a liar.SKINS FAN 4 LIFE

Posted by: gethinsj | February 11, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

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