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What's your take on endorsement of Zorn?

By Cindy Boren  |  October 23, 2009; 9:39 AM ET
 
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No, we're not going after Jason Taylor...

No, we're not going after Jay Cutler...

No, we're not in town to see Mike Shanahan...


Jim Zorn will coach the rest of the season...

ummm......

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 23, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Sounded to me like the "vote of confidence" they didn't want to give a few weeks ago

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | October 23, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

This is the biggest three ring circus...

Dan...its easy...too easy:

1) Fire Vinny
2) Bring in GM
3) Stop giving away draft picks
4) Focus on the Draft
5) Win games from aforementioned steps

Posted by: jmicrodoc | October 23, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Are we supposed to believe anything from these incompetent greedy lying shysters?"


We believe when they're bankers begging for a bailout or politicians hoping for our vote.

Why can't believe them when they're screwball football coaches or gutless owners?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 23, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

According to an AP Report:
"Redskins schedule press conference 10/27/09 to announce 3 year contract exension for Vinnie Cerrato."

Posted by: natsfan007 | October 23, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

where's the "It's total BS" option? I'm sure that would have ranked high. I'm sure that's why most people feel the same. No one feels it's actually true.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I am more optimistic because Zorn will be less awkward and more confident in his coaching abilities. Seriously, folks- I'm all for Zorn but the offensive line REALLY needs to be addressed!

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

HOpefully...All of you guys got your whinning out of the way....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Pack your bags Mr. Zorn. Vinny is straight up lying to you. Now why is it that nobody else wants this job?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I have a little rule when it comes to believing anything Vinnie Ceratto says..

"Don't"

Posted by: jbanks979 | October 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Why would ANYONE be FOR Zorn?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Until the problem with Cerrato selecting personnel and Snyder running the every day operations of the team is addressed, there is no reason for optimism among Redskins faithful. A huge step would be to replace Vinnie Cerrato. Is it possible to entice Ozzie Newsome from the Ravens with an offer he can't refuse? Maybe. Is it possible that Dan Snyder could mature, stay away from Redskins Park and let someone run the team? Maybe. Until those two corrections are made, the days ahead will be just as dark as they have been for 10 years.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 23, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I vote

D. Vinny's word is about as good to me as when Ben Arnold told George Washington he would take good care while commander of west point.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 23, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

According to an AP Report:
"Redskins schedule press conference 10/27/09 to announce 3 year contract exension for Vinnie Cerrato."

I call Angry Mob.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 23, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

don't care, actually.

Just win some games, get the offense fixed, and win some fling-flanging games...period. Stop with the excuses...make plays, or make way for the next guy to have at it...stop claiming to be worried about the pass rush that wasn't there...stop blaming the media...stop doing the same thing that hasn't worked for 22 games straight....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Pointless. Actually worse than pointless because this means I will have to continue to cringe & hit mute when Zorn shows up on ESPN, NFL network or any other show. Firing Zorn is like putting on a cast. It tells people we're broken and trying to heal and get better. Until we get the cast on people just point at the swollen bruised appendage and ask if it hurts when they poke it.

Posted by: will_ga | October 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

....'cause they certainly got the WINNING out of the way...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Jason, I just sent you an e-mail. I think the Skins are planning to fire Zorn after Monday's game, whether they win or lose. Everything Snyder and Cerrato have been doing seems to be setting this up to happen.

Perhaps you can find a way to verify this and break the story (if there is a story to break).
Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 5:42 PM


owned

Posted by: prescrunk | October 23, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

that A.P report if true no one not espn or ptf has said anything about a press conf .I think that is made up story please disregard

Posted by: joevick | October 23, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Whatever Vinny is smoking; HE NEEDS TO STOP!!

TRADE Snyder and FIRE Vinny!!!

Posted by: riceldi | October 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I believe the word is "pwned"

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

So, the Redskins settle on keeping Zorn after a big name coach turns them down. Where have I heard this story before?

Doesn't the fact that they went after Shanahan in mid-season kind of make the announcement about Zorn disingenuous? Too little, too late? As though they are trying to say to other big time coaching prospects: see, we don't fire people in mid-season, that is all a media-created misperception, will you come coach for us now PLEASE?

Posted by: hithere1 | October 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

My take is that this so called vote of confidence may actually help the team this week. Stop the rumors for a while and let the players get ready for the Eagles. Redskins weren't going to get a quality head coach mid season anyway, let Zorn play it out. Skins still have a top 5 defense that will keep the games close. Starting to think that the Skins +7 on Monday night doesn't look bad.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I just realized I've actually stopped watching sports coverage just so I don't get embarrassed when we come up. It's brutal.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins have reached a new level of disfunction. It is quite sad to see the state of affairs of the team I grew up rooting for and following through the good times and bad. I don't think I'm the only one here who feels completely hopeless with the current situation. As much as we would love to send Snyder on his way, its not gonna happen. I just have zero hope that the light will ever come on above Dan Snyder's head and he decides to build this team the right way. Dan is a super fan of the team like you and me just that he's got a lot more money than any of us. Except for the fact that we are reasonable enough to realize that for as big as a fan as we are we don't know anything about running a NFL franchise. So, we would look to hire people to run the team, follow the decisions from a distance, and cut the checks. Dan Snyder dreams of winning a Super Bowl, sitting there like a proud 11 year old fan, and take credit for everything. He proved it a couple of years ago when he made the team wear commemorative patches when his father died. No offense to his dad but I'm sure there have been thousands of fans that have passed on over the years. He's an egomaniac. I will always be a fan, but Danny please fire Vinnie, and restore pride to our team. P.S. Get rid of Larry Michael while you are at it. He's an embarrassment. Bring back Frank Herzog!

Posted by: natsfan007 | October 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Everyday I'm going to mail Vinny a letter with one name in it. That name is Russell Okung!! He is a mountain of a man oddly enough he hails from the plains. He has battled the likes of Brian Orakpo and Von Miller with a firece tancity unseen since the Japanese defended Iwo Jima. He has been known to have shot laser beams at unsuspecting defenders and may have fired lightinig bolts at blitzing cornerbacks.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Hi HAters....Why don't you find out who and what Sherm Lewis represents...

""There were times when Sherm did take over the play-calling, and we didn't even know about it," Chmura said. "There are times on offense that you get stale, times when you're in the game and you see something isn't flowing well -- but then suddenly, it starts clicking. We'd find out the after the game or later on Monday that Sherm had taken over play-calling. Mike was smart to realize that maybe he didn't have it on that day."

Those who have played and coached around Lewis are effusive in their praise, and most play down concerns about Lewis's limited experience as a play-caller and are quick to note that he should have been an NFL head coach.

"I loved having Sherm Lewis on my staff. He was terrific," said Steve Mariucci, who hired Lewis as an offensive coordinator in Detroit. "He knows that system so well. . . . He has great knowledge of that kind of offense, a lifetime of work in it."

"Sherm's a sharp guy," said Philadelphia Eagles Coach Andy Reid, who was the Packers' quarterbacks coach under Lewis. "He was a very good offensive coordinator. He was very instrumental in my career. He shared a lot of things with me about the West Coast offense."

Several younger NFL coaches heap praise on Lewis for their own development as coaches.

"Any time a young football coach has a chance to be around Sherman Lewis, you definitely take it all in," Packers Coach Mike McCarthy said. "The opportunity I had to be around him as a young coach, pick his brain and learn his version of the offense, you couldn't have asked for much more as a young coach."

..........................

A former halfback at Michigan State -- Lewis finished third in Heisman Trophy voting in 1963, losing to Roger Staubach -- he coached at his alma mater from 1969 to '82 before joining Walsh's staff in San Francisco.
"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/22/AR2009102204414_2.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Well if we just throw to DT11 this week all our franchise problems should be solved.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Vinny and danny have dug this pit - let's see how much deeper they can get! It's fun watching a train wreck!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | October 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Vinnie is the top headline on espn.com http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4587887! Yeah!! Vinnie's comments this morning have brought back prestige and dignity to this organization. LOL, no chance in hell! So every sports media outlet this week has blasted the front office and made this team the biggest joke of the week. Vinnie do you think anyone believes what you say? Here's my favorite Vinnie quotes of the day:

"The team is tight, the relationships are tight, and we're just trying to prepare to win a game Monday Night and excite the fans and get the fans back excited about this football team," Cerrato said. "We just want to beat the Philadelphia Eagles Monday night. That's what we're trying to accomplish through all these other things that are going on, off-the-wall comments here, off-the-wall comments there. Everybody's frustrated. The owner's frustrated. He wants nothing more than to win for the fans. For the fans. He wants to please these fans, and he's so frustrated because of the struggles."

What a bunch of BS. I guess Vinnie forgot about the Post's piece on the Skins suing season ticket holders.

"There's been a lot of false rumors, media speculation, unnamed sources out there all the time," he said. "I hired Jim, along with Dan Snyder. And obviously, obviously we're all very disappointed by the season performance thus far. In fact, Dan constantly talks about how disappointed he is for the fans. And we've got great fans. We feel the frustration for the fans, and we need the fans big-time Monday night. We want to entertain them, we want to make them proud, we want to make them happy [for] this football team."

I guess Danny Boy and Vinnie have finally figured out that some Skins fans won't be renewing their season tickets come March. We're not proud about this football team. They don't want another Monday night disaster like last season. Remember all those Steelers fans in attendance and the ass kicking they gave us?

But my favorite Vinnie line of the week is this: "We've been under a lot of attack by a lot of people, and there's so much false stuff and people just keep piling on stuff, I wanted to get some facts out there, let people know the facts and what's happening and what's going on in this building."

Please Vinnie this same BS you and Danny Boy have been telling the fans for the last 10 years ain't working anymore. The facts are we have the WORST offensive line in the NFL. The facts are we haven't drafted an offensive lineman in the 1st round since Chris Samuels in 2000. I love that ESPN is in town and now you want to act like everything's SUPER GREAT! This freak show called the Skins keeps going. Let's see how Danny Boy and Vinnie can top themselves next............

Posted by: trueredskinsfan | October 23, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

cl, versus not throwing to him, or Moss, or Davis, or kelly.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 23, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Of course the report is fake. I just made it up. You my friend have been Pwned! But seriously folks nothing the Redskins would do at this point would ever suprise me.

Posted by: natsfan007 | October 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

4th is Sherm your Great Uncle" No one disputes the dude had a good career in the NFL. That doesn't make its a dumb azz move for the Skins in 2009.

And dude "Hi Haters"?? What is this 2007? When you are ripping off the Truths schtick its time to rethink....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Beantown - What JC ran in college was nothing like Zorn's horizontal offense:

"Borges isn't buying that Campbell can't run the scheme because the West Coast system is what he ran at Auburn when Campbell blossomed. However, Borges said he tweaked the offense to take advantage of the powerful run game and Campbell's big arm. So, instead of dinking and dunking horizontally and relying on timing and receivers to make yards after the reception, Borges implemented more play-action and vertical passing."

I watched every Auburn game that year...same thing for 13 wins, hand the ball of to 2 studs, defense creeps up, JC for the long ball.

I have to assume Gibbs envisioned this.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I don't know you ALL; but at this point I really don't give a flying ... about the Danny or his puppet. I hope the skins lose the rest of the way and MAYBE, maybe the SO CALLED geniuses of the front office can draft a QB and if available a BRAIN and cojones to make MAN and smart decisions.

If Vinny the puppet had any decency and moral grounds HE SHOULD RESIGN and apologize to the Skins fans for his TOTAL ineptitude and football related ignorance.

If Danny really loves the Redskins, he should show it by SELLING the team.

Posted by: riceldi | October 23, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I have no problem w/ Bingo Lewis. Wouldn't mind him coarching. I wouldn't mind JERRY Lewis coarching...

...I'd even consider SHARI Lewis , as long as that idiot Lambchomp wouldn't be involved in Football Operations

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I just realized I've actually stopped watching sports coverage just so I don't get embarrassed when we come up. It's brutal.

Posted by: DikShuttle

I'm so with you on this! I was so excited before the season began and really looked forward to ALL the NFL related shows I watch (and there are many) but now...I avoid them. If I'm watching and I hear them say "Redskins" I change the channel because I know it's going to be well deserved abuse. I'm now watching HGTV.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I think that came directly from Danny boy...I think he is learning..."Vinny, this is your coach...we are not changing until after the season YOU live with him!!!"

Posted by: hldsmd21 | October 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

BG I am glad thinking that if they just threw to one the three young receivers that the franchise would turn around the diseased culture in Ashburn (and Capt Literal I said "Franchise" big picture....not individual game stat sheets)keeps you warm at night. We all need our vices to go from day to day up here.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

comedy central moves to Ashburn Va. "It's the DannyBoy and Vinny Show". (It's a limited run - before they are RUN out of town)

Posted by: 1of9000 | October 23, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

@4thfloor:

OK, Sherm Lewis was awesome 8-10 years ago. What does that have to do with how Snyder and Ceratto are dealing with their coaching situation this season? And the Oline? And the lack of development from Jason Campbell? And...etc.

I think Sherm Lewis was great. I think it's a farce to bring him out of a 5+year retirement to make him a playcaller in the middle of the season after two weeks of "being an extra set of eyes." It's completely disorganized and will not work over the course of the entire season because there remains no long-term plan around which all the shiny toys the FO collects (both players and coaches) can gel.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 23, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

4th, have to concur with cL on this one... nobody is hating on ShermL the man, or his excellent career in the coaching ranks (well, some people have noted he didn't exactly bat 1.000 when he was calling plays).

Most of us are "hating on" the lamebrained, grasping-at-straws desperate move of bringing him out of a decidedly non-footbally retirement a few weeks into the season, into a train wreck-in-progress like this, and two weeks later turn over the headset to him... cue the calliope...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 23, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I am actually heartened by this move B/C i think it is further evidence that Zorn & Vinny's fates are lethally intertwined. If Zorn takes down Vinny as well at season's end. Then Zorn was a GREAT HIRE!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Beantown - What JC ran in college was nothing like Zorn's horizontal offense:

"Borges isn't buying that Campbell can't run the scheme because the West Coast system is what he ran at Auburn when Campbell blossomed. However, Borges said he tweaked the offense to take advantage of the powerful run game and Campbell's big arm. So, instead of dinking and dunking horizontally and relying on timing and receivers to make yards after the reception, Borges implemented more play-action and vertical passing."

I watched every Auburn game that year...same thing for 13 wins, hand the ball of to 2 studs, defense creeps up, JC for the long ball.

I have to assume Gibbs envisioned this.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs envisioned this but forgot that in the NFL you never have two backs that are the best athletes on the field in every game. That team was dominant and could win every game without ever throwing the ball, which is why it was so easy for JC. If you were playing Auburn what would be your game plan, play back against the pass or load the box? Problem is in the NFL the corners and safeties are good enough to play man-up against our crap receivers and JC isn't good enough to make throws into tight windows.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Thisa just makes Ceratto look even MORE incompetent to run a franchise.

I sure hope he gets fired.

Danny,

The way to our hearts lies in firing Ceratto. Do it and do it NOW!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Signing off till Tuesday morning. More to life that making to do lists to solve Redskin problems. (This forom should be renamed Idiot Skin fans with nothing better to do than complain chat room)

Posted by: VegasJim | October 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Okay, Zorn's here for the rest of the season. That must mean that Sherm Lewis is on the hot seat this week. If the Redskins don't score big, his 15 minutes of fame are up.

Posted by: League-Source | October 23, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Some Friday humor...I love the Skins to death...

HEADLINE: "D.C. Police are "cracking" down on speeders. For the first offense, they give you two Redskins tickets. If you get stopped a second time, they give you four tickets."

Q. What do you call 47 millionaires sitting around a TV watching the Super Bowl?
A. The Washington Redskins.

Q. What do the Redskins and Billy Graham have in common?
A. They both can make 70,000 people stand up and yell "Jesus Christ".

Q. How do you keep the Redskins out of your yard?
A. Put up a goal post.

Q. Where do you go in D.C. in case of a tornado?
A. To FedEx Field - they never have a touchdown there!

Q. What do you call a Redskin with a Super Bowl ring?
A. Senior Citizen

Q. What's the difference between the Redskins and a dollar bill?
A. You can still get four quarters out of a dollar bill.

Q. How many Redskins does it take to win a Super Bowl?
A. We may never find out in the 21st century.

Q. What do the Redskins and opossums have in common?
A. Both play dead at home and get killed on the road.

Posted by: agcoony | October 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: VegasJim | October 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

bye, don't let the door hit ya on the way out.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Good one Talent...err.. League-Source

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

(This forom should be renamed Idiot Skin fans with nothing better to do than complain chat room)

Posted by: VegasJim | October 23, 2009 10:24 AM

What's a forom?

Posted by: hithere1 | October 23, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Signing off till Tuesday morning. More to life that making to do lists to solve Redskin problems. (This forom should be renamed Idiot Skin fans with nothing better to do than complain chat room)

Posted by: VegasJim | October 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

So you're complaining about people complaining, makes sense.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

And dude "Hi Haters"?? What is this 2007? When you are ripping off the Truths schtick its time to rethink....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:14 AM

I feel good this morning. IT's time to go to work and quit whining.

You see people's best in time's of adversity. We all are professionals. If MAnagement gets rid of your boss, your job doesn't change. You still maintain the skill sets to do your job. So if a new boss comes in, you guys get together, learn each other, and hit the ground running. Most of us has dealt with this.

You can apply that to anyone's job.

Brett Favre came in two weeks (TWO WEEKS DANG GONE IT) before the season started and they are undefeated.

I felt like speaking to the haters because that's how you gotta carry it sometimes.....A motivation type thing...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

From past history, I don't know if I would trust the way Vinny portrays things either. However, if they are going to put out there that Zorn will be coach for at least the rest of the season, there would be a lot of backlash if they fire Zorn before the end of the year now. (There would actually be backlash anyway).

Since supposedly there were confirmed reports that Snyder was ready to hire Shanahan a few weeks ago, then you wonder when and why they made the decision to keep Zorn.

Also, if Cerrato is so concerned about improving the offense, perhaps he could work to acquire some quality offensive lineman for next year, since that is one of the major factors in the problems this year.

Posted by: cannontl | October 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see we're on the same page Lisa.
Top Chef on Bravo! woo hoo!

And in NO WAY do I see this as evidence of some Zornerrato abomination. Cerrato is his usual 'talking head' self. His only afilliation is to his PR gig. He's like an AIG spokesman that way..

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I feel pretty gullible right now, because I really want to buy what Vinny is saying. On the one hand, he's right - the defense is playing very well, and doing pretty much everything we could ask of them. Zorn definitely does seem like he has too much on his plate - check out his post game press conferences, where he can't speak to any specifics because he hasn't watched the tape. If he can't say what happened after the game, how can we expect him to react to what's happening during the game?

On the other hand, the defense has been putting up great performances against lousy teams, and personnel problems on offense are probably much more to blame than anything Zorn is responsible for. As bad as the offense has been, it can actually get a lot worse - we could start giving up a lot more points to defenses. I see three possible outcomes for this game, and I'm not sure which is most likely.

It plays out just like the past 6 games, a nail biter that we lose.

An utter catastrophe that makes us long for the Chiefs - the defense is shredded and the offense turns it over every series.

A magical amazing super fantastic crazy show where our offense finally clicks and our defense continues to dominate.

My bet is that it's number 2, but for some reason I always think there's a legitimate possibility for number 3. Like I said, pretty gullible.

Posted by: crashinghero | October 23, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I am glad Zorn is staying...I think the team is ready to break out now...GO SKINS!

Playoffs here we come!

Posted by: SA-Town | October 23, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Zj, can't argue with that. Williams and Brown were dominant.

If it wasn't for Cadillac's knees, that dude would probably leading the league in rushing year after year. Never seen a guy run that hard and fast, and that includes AP.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 23, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

can someone please do a bingo related joke...those are so funny.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

thats a motivational speech remenscient
of Chris Farley "living in a van down by the river...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsTTvKWPZGw

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

NAte....

The Offense SUCKS. Golly...WTF you expect someone to do. The same Bull $h!t? Uh...NO.

When the Offense SUCKS, people's job's are on the line. Zorn, his staff, the players, and Vinny. The Defense could be #1 if they weren't on the field for 40 mins a freakin game. Too much talent is being wasted.

You think people who have control are going to stand by the WAYSIDE and let the same SJK happen that has happened over the last 14 games??!?!? Hellz No!

What would do at this very moment? Continue to let Zorn bungle up the Play Calling AND In Game Management??

Sometimes...Fans gotta think from other angles, and not be selfish...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Let's see if BINGO Lewis can draw up plays like he can draw BALLS!

...wait a minu... ehhh...

What this team needs is some LEIGH TORRENCE!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I feel good this morning. IT's time to go to work and quit whining.

You see people's best in time's of adversity. We all are professionals. If MAnagement gets rid of your boss, your job doesn't change. You still maintain the skill sets to do your job. So if a new boss comes in, you guys get together, learn each other, and hit the ground running. Most of us has dealt with this.

You can apply that to anyone's job.

Brett Favre came in two weeks (TWO WEEKS DANG GONE IT) before the season started and they are undefeated.

I felt like speaking to the haters because that's how you gotta carry it sometimes.....A motivation type thing...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2009 10:29 AM

Re: about working and whining: sounds like you aren't working, you are just whining like the rest of us.

Re: Brett Farve: yeah, because players and coaches do exactly the same thing. And oh yeah, Brett Farve was not retired for five years before playing for the Vikings. Oops! I guess you should think before you type!

Re: speaking to the haters: um, what? I guess that means people who don't agree with Vinny Ceratto? OK

Posted by: hithere1 | October 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

@4th:

Re: speaking to the haters: um, what? I guess that means people who don't agree with Vinny Ceratto? OK, guilty as charged - I don't agree with Ceratto. On anything. But you go right ahead and keep drinking Ceratto's lemonade. By the way, where did you buy it? Was it in the mens room at RalJon? 'Cause you might want to double check it...

Posted by: hithere1 | October 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The reason he is the coach for the season is Shani already said that he would not take on a coaching position in the middle of the season. Zorn called their bluff and did not quit and now they are going to treat him like they did to Laverneous and Lavar..... slowly break him down and humiliate them as the season goes by to ship them off at the end of the season. When Snyder feels "inferior" he does what he does best.. humiliate and embarrass to make himself feel better. I hated the Vinny statements today.... Sherman Lewis really never has called any plays and when he did, he had those rights taken away, not once, not twice but three times... plus another scary thought... his last stop... he ran the offense for the Lions... NUFF SAID!

Posted by: rvanags | October 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Dik:

Kevin is THE MAN! that chubby tatooed red bearded freak can cook his azz off!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Can former (fake) Indians' coach Lou Brown do football? I think we need his stirring speeches. Sadly he has a guy on the other line about some whitewalls.

This is what the Skins have done to me, I'm reduced to mildly psychotic rambling.

Posted by: hackeynut | October 23, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

4th, I love you, man, but sometimes I just don't get you... this heady mix of bullheaded optimism and strident contrarianism and just wacko out-of-left-field stuff... sometimes I think you're just winding us up.

And then I remind myself that after each game you've added all the remaining games to the win column in updating your prediction for the Skins' final record, so you're now shooting for 12-4, I believe.

So you need to believe that, say, the ShermL move will make things run better, because that props up your Pollyanna worldview. Seasonview. Whatevs...

I mean, good for you and those out there who continue to tape together your cracked, battered burgundy-colored glasses after reality slaps them off your face and grinds them under its pitiless bootheel every friggin' game...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 23, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Skins go 12-4 this year.

Danny and Vinny are geniuses without a brain.

what are the odds that two brainless people can pull it off?

Posted by: riceldi | October 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Did you hear about the guy who had a cancer right behind the center spot, the doctors cut and disposed of everything around the cancer and couldn't figure out why the guy was dying? Skins cancer caused by QB was the prognosis of a legendary doctor, but no one would listen.

Posted by: hock1 | October 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

go skins win one for Zorn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: joevick | October 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I don't know but I think I once heard this from a former president

" Brown he's our man"

Vinny Cerrato
" Zorn he's our man"

And what happened to Brown? And what's going to happen to Zorn?

Posted by: philjab | October 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Vinny and Dan would like to keep Zorn around longer so they can torture him out of his contract. It is my understanding Zorn forfeits any pay under the remaining contract if he quits, but if he gets fired, then the Redskins are on the hook for the remainder of the contract. So, what other belittling things could they do to Zorn? Hire a QB coach and announce that Zorn is no longer coaching the QB's? Hire an assistant head coach (in title only) who Zorn has to run all his decisions through? Take away Zorn's press conferences? Stay tuned folks, because if they keep losing and they don't can him, then my bet is they continue to diminish his responsibilities. I'm thinking it is going to get ugly.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, he's my pick - but he has slipped a couple times. Even tho Kev's my fave, the younger of the two bro's is kicking everyone! He even saved the cancer chick this week.. it's sick.

I def want to go to the older bro's restaurant in Frederick!!

Oh - Padme's white boots outfit a couple weeks ago? SICK!! ...gah!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Vinnie Cerrato wife wagine hang like sleeve of wizard. NIIIIIIICE!

Posted by: natsfan007 | October 23, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't beleive one bit of propaganda that dribbles from Vinny's mouth. If he told me today was Friday, October 23rd, 2009 I'd still go check my calendar.

He and Danny are both delusional and dysfunctional. They don't know fact from fiction. They live in the world of Fantasy Football and building great teams on paper.

And when things go wrong it's fire the coach, hire a consultant, trade away draft picks for more underachievers and get some more overpaid free agents in here quickly.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Let's create a website to collect money to buy Danny a HEART and Vinny a Brain.

Posted by: riceldi | October 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Why should Zorn care, Redskins could win everygame here on out, which won't happen, and he is probably still toast at the end of the year. I'm sure Holmgren won't come near Washington now (loyalty) and Zorn will get his old job back and probably was offered and accepted it!!!

Posted by: funbot | October 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

So the team continues losing to one pathetic team after another. The players ask for a "vote of confidence" in their coach from upper management. They don't get it.
Instead, they see their coach declawed and de-balled in the continuing debacle that is this franchise.
Then finally, 5 days after the complete evisceration of the head coach, comes the "vote of confidence."

SMDHSHIJSS,FIIGBTA

That's [Smacked My Damn Head So Hard I Just Saw Stars, F It I'm Going Back To Apathy]

Posted by: 4-12 | October 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Dik, the thing about drawing balls made me think of that flashback in "Superbad" where Jonah Hill's character back in grade school couldn't stop drawing, uh, diks... great stuf... I hope things like that never stop amusing me...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Padme's pregnancy boobs are slammin...(google some recent red carpet pics of hers, yowza!)

Kevin slipped in restuarant wars...but thats it, still more wins than the Bros...

Kevin/Jennifer/The Bros...the winner comes from there...

Next time I am in the MD...I def wanna check out that Frederick joint.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder is indeed Scientologist that could very well be the problem, an inability to disconnect fantasy from reality.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

hackeynut, I had a similar notion that when we get our franchise-rebuilder in house and he pushes Snyder permanently out of the football decisionmaking, that it might be nice to get Craig T. Nelson in house to sit in the booth with Snyder during games and talk football.

Craig T. Nelson has all the credentials that matter to Snyder: a recognizable celebrity with enough coachiness to land not one but two iconic roles as a football coach. (He's also apparently an anti-tax whack job, but whatevs.) And he has a history with Tom Cruise, which can only help. Can you imagine him up in the owner's box wearing some of those polyester coaching pants and a whistle and clipboard, gesticulating wildly and explaining to Snyder the intricacies of the game? That would be... perfect.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

NAte...I just look at things from everyone's point of view. And when I start typing, it's all from the heart..(See Rex Ryan in NY).

I mean, we can worry about firing Vinny in the offseason. Until then, he needed to step in to salvage the season for the whole organization. He couldn't go with in the offensive staff. He had to go outside. With it being in season, he did the best he could.

All I know is, Zorn is a bad offensive coordinator. And HC. So none of this can be worse.

So the heck what he was emasculated? If no one was ever emasculated, then the word would never be.

I wish Zorn was emasculated after his first game, last year, when he didn't go hurry up because he only thought he was down by one score in the 4th, but it was actually 2 (HE said it in the post game conference).

@hitthere - It only takes me a minute or less to write these things and 30 secs to read. So, what's your beef with me? Come check my work. My name ain't Jim Zorn. I gets my job done, and then some.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Update:

Zorn to be at the coaches box come game time and is required to pay his own parking and scalp for his own ticket for the game probably wearing a paper bag at nose bleed seats.

Posted by: riceldi | October 23, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Hey Nate "Coach" did turn around Minnesota State!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The timing of this is really weird. Do you think there is any connection between this and the Steve Largent comments?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Vinny and danny have dug this pit - let's see how much deeper they can get! It's fun watching a train wreck!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | October 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse
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And this ain't no ordinary train wreck either. This is a runaway train, going backwards, downhill and about to go over the cliff. But in a perverse sort of way, it is "fun" to watch. However, I sure would rather watch a team than could maybe win 9, 10, 11, even 12 games per year.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Road Triip! Bootz'd be up for that fo sho. We're driving to a Wegman's in Dulles tomorrow to get her Skyline Chili - the closest place we can find that carries it. hehe. We ain't foodies (HATE that term, gives me the willies) but we love to eat!!

Didn't know the former Mrs. Salman Rushdie was preggers. Good for her (moreso the guy!!)

Superbad was dope! Pinapple Express wasn't bad either. Anyone catch his 'mall cop' movie?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Why would a PR move sway my optimism.

That's all this was, a way to get the media to cool down and back off.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

@hitthere - It only takes me a minute or less to write these things and 30 secs to read. So, what's your beef with me? Come check my work. My name ain't Jim Zorn. I gets my job done, and then some.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2009 10:55 AM

Hey man, no beef. Just think it's funny that you are complaining about the complainers. And whining about the whiners. If you are on here posting, and responding to people like me, then you are no different from the rest of us in terms of spending time on this blog, that's all.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

4th is a Redskins fan-savant...2/3 of the crappe he says is lunacy, 1/3 brilliant.

On a micro level he is right about Zorn/the season...on a macro level that thinking is part of the problem...

I struggle with it to...its a sickness...like as in "I should be working right now but yet am obsessing about SKINS ON ri"

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I wonder just how far the vote of confidence goes.....I mean, say we get blown out, say the score is like 35-6 or something brutal (Philly already beat Carolina, a team we lost to, 38-10) like that, does anybody really think what Vinny says today matters? I also remember Vinny flat out saying they hadn't even talked to Parcells about trading for Jason Taylor, 3 hours later the trade was final, Vinny has more than proven he'll say whatever he feels like needs to be said regardless of whether or not there is an ounce of truth to it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 23, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

4th

loving the loyalty and optimisum.... but the reality is we are a mess of almost unimaginable depths...desparate and third rate...panic moves in attempt to avert the iceberg, that was created by the ships captains charting a course dead on balls into antartica.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The timing of this is really weird. Do you think there is any connection between this and the Steve Largent comments?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Don't think it relates to Largent's comments. I think it has more to do with being on MNF this week and trying to save some face.

The guys in the booth probably won't spend as much time talking about the future of Zorn after these comments.

Vinny is just trying to reduce the number of times his team is called 'a joke' 'circus' or 'embarrassment' on national tv.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

If Dan Snyder says, "Fire him", then it doesn't matter what Vinny says.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

dikshuttle

"Why would ANYONE be FOR Zorn?!"


Devil's Advocate Time.

The case for maintaining Jim Zorn as the head coach of the Washington Redskins rests upon the reality that the franchise made personnel decisions that ran against his ever being successful.

The team identified last off season its offensive line had 'issues' but didn't support improving it substantially in terms of drafted personnel or quality free agent talent acquisition.

And if you pardon the analogy, Zorn has an out in that he was required to cook a meal consisting of groceries he didn't buy.

And now he must contend with a agitated fanbase and clueless FO that hates the meal they demanded he put together.

And until this final part of the issue--how personnel is assessed and acquired for the team--is addressed and changed, it really doesn't matter who coaches the redskins.

So eat your food and leave Zorn alone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"The guys in the booth probably won't spend as much time talking about the future of Zorn after these comments."

yes. Instead of 72.4% of the time discussing Zorn's future it will be knocked down to 61.45%.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Dear Fellow Posters,
I'm proud of you all and hope that you continue to let this organization know the following: Snyder needs to step away from football decisions, fire Cerrato's freaky-eyed a#*, somehow convince a good GM to take a job, thus completely changing the philosophy of this embarrassing organization, or we will not support this team.
I've had it. We pour our hearts into this team, as well as our wallets and now the shame and embarrassment has gone on for too long.

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

We all want the same thing: a winning season, playoffs, superbowl. But after 10 years of Snyder I am starting to think that the problems of the Redskins are way beyond who is coaching right now, who is calling plays, etc. And until these big issues are fixed, it just makes no sense to believe in some miraculous, phoenix from the ashes recovery this season.

But I do/will watch the games, and am completely addicted to the trainwreck that this season has become. My favorite times are now in-between games just reading and writing about all this.

It's tragic, that a franchise so great can get to this point. I think that is part of why I can't stop.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The timing of this is really weird. Do you think there is any connection between this and the Steve Largent comments?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Don't think it relates to Largent's comments. I think it has more to do with being on MNF this week and trying to save some face.

The guys in the booth probably won't spend as much time talking about the future of Zorn after these comments.

Vinny is just trying to reduce the number of times his team is called 'a joke' 'circus' or 'embarrassment' on national tv.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 23, 2009 11:03 AM

Yes to all the above. They were getting killed nationally. I think if they had fired Zorn last week and gone with an iterim they would've had some criticism but not nearly the firestorm they've created. While backing Zorn for the season may pacify some of the critics, the whole Lewis thing is sure to create more issues if they implode offensively Monday night.

Posted by: skinswest | October 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato's word is worth about as much as the gum on the bottom of my shoe to me. The fact that Vinny says they're not going to fire Zorn means that Zorn should pack his bags before Monday night so he's ready to go Tuesday morning if the Skins lose. Vinny's lied so much to the press that it's difficult to either care or believe a word that that incompetant boob says.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

On his search for the Holy Grail, King Arthur come across a game of football where his favorite team is led by the Black Knight.

Upon seeing an unsuccessful pass the following exchange took place:

King Arthur: You fool why did you throw the ball into triple coverage?

Black Knight: Because I was told to make that play.

King Arthur: But they also gave you an option with three other receivers

Black Knight: oh.

The game resumes and King Arthur witness the next play the same as before.

King Arthur: You fool you did it again.

Black Knight: No, I didn't. The others didn't want the ball

King Arthur: Whaaat? Didn't want the ball? Didn't you see waving their arms signaling that they were wide open?

Black Knight: Oh! - I thought they were frantically saying don't throw me the ball.

A big thunder and clouds opening above, King Arthur looks up and hear voices laughing their arses off.

Voices Above: Do it again Lord, do it again ... laughs

Posted by: hock1 | October 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"The guys in the booth probably won't spend as much time talking about the future of Zorn after these comments."

yes. Instead of 72.4% of the time discussing Zorn's future it will be knocked down to 61.45%.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

True. I expect them to spend time talking about it along with discussing all the failures of the Redskins at length in the pre-game show.

Since I don't think Vinny even believes himself when he says these things, I was just guessing on his motives.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 23, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Let's create a website to collect money to buy Danny a HEART and Vinny a Brain.

Posted by: riceldi | October 23, 2009 10:47 AM

Can't we just sic the flying monkeys on 'em?

Posted by: skinswest | October 23, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"The guys in the booth probably won't spend as much time talking about the future of Zorn after these comments."


Thing is, any potential coach will see in Jim Zorn the cautionary tale that follows once you sign a contract for a pile of money.

Yeah, Snyder will pay you.

But is the money worth the nonsense and reputation hemoorage?

Don't think so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 23, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

HOW LOW CAN THE REDSKINS GO?

As low as the bottomless pit that Lord Danny Farquad and his Vinny the puppet dug for themselves.

Posted by: riceldi | October 23, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Manny Acta is interested in the Redskins coaching job.

Posted by: SA-Town | October 23, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

dikshuttle

"Why would ANYONE be FOR Zorn?!"


Devil's Advocate Time.

The case for maintaining Jim Zorn as the head coach of the Washington Redskins rests upon the reality that the franchise made personnel decisions that ran against his ever being successful.

The team identified last off season its offensive line had 'issues' but didn't support improving it substantially in terms of drafted personnel or quality free agent talent acquisition.

And if you pardon the analogy, Zorn has an out in that he was required to cook a meal consisting of groceries he didn't buy.

And now he must contend with a agitated fanbase and clueless FO that hates the meal they demanded he put together.

And until this final part of the issue--how personnel is assessed and acquired for the team--is addressed and changed, it really doesn't matter who coaches the redskins.

So eat your food and leave Zorn alone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Moe, not only is this just wrong its silly. Of course this franchise has problems that run deeper than Zorn. But his decision making in both the Carolina game and Detroit games were so atrocious he should have been fired right then and there. Despite all the problems with this roster and all the dysfunction this team should still be 4-2 right now heading into a tough division matchup. Instead our season is already over. Make no mistake about it, the franchise has issues but pretending Zorn isn't one of them is a major mistake. As our head coach the team has done nothing but regress despite having a top tier defense and despite having 3 young receivers, two great athletes at TE, a potential game breaker at receiver, and while JC is not a good QB he can still make enough plays to win more than the Skins have. The offense has been vanilla, unimaginative, boring, predictable, routine, pedestrian, and any other of a host of adjectives that sum up piss poor. Not too mention having been giving three stars from elite college programs he has been unable to coach them up to get anything out of them. Zorn has to go, along with Vinny, but there is no devil's advocate position here, Zorn has totally failed at any and every job that was his.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 23, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to Buffalo Wild Wings with my buddy (GB Packers fan) Mon nite to count how many times our O-line men get blown up. I plan to eat 6 wings for every blow up (Hyers going to kill me) Pass the Pepto

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 23, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

So what, it just means that no one will come in here now. This season is so over anyway.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 23, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Dik, in the Wegman's bakery please get one of those buckets of little cookies and eat it for me. Damn, I miss those buckets of little cookies. One of the few things I miss about Ashburn, really.

Huh... they don't seem to come in buckets any more but in a more boxy container. Whatevs... you and Mrs. Shuttle enjoy...

https://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10052&catalogId=10002&productId=349647

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 23, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato's words are too little, too late. Perhaps if this had come when the players asked for it. But now, the tide of fan dismay has irrevocably turned against Cerrato and Snyder.

Posted by: Alison3 | October 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Apparently, Vinny is starring in a movie adaption of the book, "Lies and the lying liars that tell them". Tom Cruise is set to direct; Snyder to produce.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 23, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 23, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Let's see if BINGO Lewis can draw up plays like he can draw BALLS!

...wait a minu... ehhh...

What this team needs is some LEIGH TORRENCE!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 23, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse
--------------------------------------------

Zorn with Leigh Torrence is the key:

We are 6-3 with LT
We are 4-9 since

Sign him at any cost.

Seriously, though, didn't anyone get the feeling that cutting Leigh Torrence last year was a raw deal? There was some rumblings in the locker room that stemmed from that situation, probably because Malcom Kelly could have been IRed, keeping the respected Torrence around.

Not saying that Torrence was Pro Bowl material or anything, but I think when players saw that the organization (yet again) put its stamp on a flashy question mark instead of a solid known quantity, they started to question leadership. Interesting correlation to results, that's for sure.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

You guys are making me feel like the middle child. No one taking me seriously. I got a coach's mentality.

But, anyone just answer me one question. What would you do after 13 games of offense futility?

And can Vinny be THAT bad if the defense is soo good?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

zf

i would say our defense is solid but not truly top tier...stats wise they are solid and play to prevent the big play...but like our most recent history The D never seems to create turnovers or come up with the big stop when absolutly have to have it...they play real good just not quite good enough....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 23, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

So you are going to let him twist in the wind for the rest of the season. Sounds like plan…Hmmm, you mean no other coach is stupid enough to come in mid-season.
BOYCOTT THE SKIN.

Posted by: mattphillips | October 23, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Zorn can't call plays now....Great. Is he still in charge of wasting our time-outs?
As far as Shanahan turning us down, he's not the kind of coach who would accept a job mid-season, if even WAS offered the job.

Posted by: wewbank1 | October 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

12-4
NFC champs!
Lose a tight game in the Super Bowl!

Posted by: joinnow | October 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's create a website to collect money to buy Danny a HEART and Vinny a Brain.

Posted by: riceldi | October 23, 2009 10:47 AM

Can't we just sic the flying monkeys on 'em?

Posted by: skinswest | October 23, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse


I'M NOT ALONE!!! I have been posting that the Redskins landed in 'The Wizard of Oz' and that the whole thing is some surreal fantasy story.

But you got it wrong, my friend, Vinnie is 'Dorothy' and Danny is 'Toto' and they are leading us all down the yellow brick road to find the Wizard (I'm guessing Sherm is in this role although it has changed over the years...Spurrier, Gibbs, Buges)...all the while Vinnie (Dorothy) is closing his eyes and clicking his heels together to get us all back to Kansas (1980's glory days)....

As I said, DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID!

Posted by: BigDeck | October 23, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

4th

The only things really than could have been done were to bench players that have been ineffective and let the younger guys on the roster prove the can play or not...the major culprits are el , portis/betts and kelly and thomas...at this point with mason cut there really is no RB option and the only remaing young play not seeing any time is mitchell........ we have a really bad collection of offensive players, a bad o line, bad coaching...most importantly a non playmaker at QB...blow it up...gm, coach, establish an idenity build to that....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Again, Vinny strives to buck conventional wisdom. It's one of the many flaws of this guy -- consistently making the wrong choices -- and insisting they're the right ones.

Just when about everyone else has concluded that it's time to blow up this whole hopeless scheme and start over, they decide to retrench and give us more of the same.

And just when about everyone has decided that it's time to fire the coach and GM, they express their confidence in each other and desire to move on.

It's just another example of the Redskins front office continual thumbing of their noses at the ever shrinking number of fans for this team -- and reminding us that they are accountable to no one.

The truth is Vinny knows that as Zorn goes, so does he. If you fire Zorn, you must fire Vinny too... and Vinny ain't going without a fight.

Trouble is, as bad as it looks today, it will only gets worse (much worse) as the season goes along.

3-13 anyone?

FIRE ZORN
FIRE VINNY

Posted by: Vic1 | October 23, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The endorsement rings hollow...The Danny and Vinny are the LEAST trustworthy individuals I've ever seen. They lie constantly, they undermine, they shift blame, etc.

Prince John and Guy of Gisbone have ruled long enough; King Richard, come home...

Posted by: kahlua87 | October 23, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but no rational person believes anything that comes out of Cerrato's mouth. If Snyder wants to win back the fan base, he needs to FIRE VINNY as soon as the season ends, hire a real GM, and then stay of the way so that person can run the football team. Zorn is more of a symptom than the actual cause of the Skins problems. He was hired as an O-Coordinator under the auspices that we would report to an experienced NFL head coach like Mariucci or Fassel. When neither of those panned out, he was promoted to head coach. The long-term personnel issues were never addressed in the last two offseasons. It's no surprise we are rock bottom at this point. The franchise has become as big a joke as the Oakland Raiders.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 23, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Signing off till Tuesday morning. More to life that making to do lists to solve Redskin problems. (This forom should be renamed Idiot Skin fans with nothing better to do than complain chat room)

Posted by: VegasJim | October 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Don't even come back Tuesday you moron.

Posted by: hessone | October 23, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I repeat a comment I've made before...The first step back to sanity is to cut your emotional tie to the Skins. Unless and until it gets so bad for Snyder that he has to get a good GM and get out of the way, nothing will change with this team. So why care anymore?

Posted by: dp3328 | October 23, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

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