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When Hall and Smith Match Up, It's Personal

Earlier this week, Panthers receiver Steve Smith evaded questions about Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall on a conference call with Washington media. Fortunately for us, Hall wasn't quite as shy today when he was asked about Smith.

"We tend to get a little bit more personal than other battles," Hall said. "But it's fun."

Speaking to reporters before practice, Hall went back and forth between talking up the Smith-Hall rivalry ("Any time you get a guy who will push you to the brink of insanity on the football field, you know you got your job cut out for you") to downplaying it ("It's not me and him, it's our team versus his team.")

But he didn't mask the bad feelings that exist between the two. Hall said he and Smith actually used to be close. They met a few years back during a Reebok photo shoot and even had dinner together before a Falcons-Panthers game in Charlotte in 2005.

"We went from being good friends to bad friends to don't talk," Hall said.
Smith wouldn't explain their relationship during that conference call, but Hall said, "Some words kind of got exchanged during the course of the next game, and it just went downhill from there."

Most games between the two have been marked by hard hits and plenty of trash talking. Hall has even drawn a couple of personal foul penalties along the way.

"I'm not going into this thing trying to kill him," Hall said of Sunday's game. "I'm not going into this thing for war, for blood, for anything like that. I'm going out there to try to play a game, to try to help win a game."

Though the Falcons and Panthers square off twice a year, Hall and Smith only faced each other four times from 2004-07, with Hall usually in man-to-man coverage and drawing Smith, the Panthers' No. 1 receiver.

Their first meeting was Smith's best in the brief series: 65 yards and a touchdown on seven receptions in 2005. Hall also posted an interception in that game. A year later, in 2006, Smith was held without a catch, and then in 2007, Smith had one catch for 10 yards in their first meeting and 61 yards on five receptions in the second. But in that second game, Hall also caused Smith to fumble once.

"Whenever you can get a good receiver out there, you want to try to go out there and dominate, you want to let everybody know, 'I'm still good at what I do as well,'" said Hall. "That's going to be my mindset, that's going to be his mindset. Am I going to be trying to jump on him? Damn right. And he's going to be trying to jump on me, too."

Here's how Smith explained the relationship in 2006 to the Winston Salem-Journal, responding to remarks Hall at made about him: "I guess when you are on the top, you have a lot of people try to knock you down. Some people are lower than others on the totem pole by age, performance and talk. ...So when you're the court jester and you're talking to the king, you have to do stuff like that. But other than that, I'm not going to play games with little kids. There's no reason to. When you talk, you obviously are insecure about something and if you talk long enough, you will hang yourself. And obviously he pointed out things that are in his craw and in his collar."

Smith enters Sunday's game with 190 yards on 15 receptions. He's still searching for his first touchdown of the season, and his team is still looking for its first win. Smith-Hall is a matchup that many people will be keeping a close eye on Sunday.

"Well, to me, you're talking about two competitors," secondary coach Jerry Gray said. "I read a lot of comments on Steve Smith and he's a big competitor. The big thing you've got to do is, you've got to make sure that you don't let that get out of hand. And it is about the game and you want to win.

"Sometimes guys can go overboard. I think DeAngelo understands what's important at hand right now."

By Rick Maese  |  October 8, 2009; 1:49 PM ET
 
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So, how long will it take the consultant to turn the team around? I heard they're moving the practices to the morning because the consultant needs a good nap every afternoon.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Around the Bye week TE. Thats the popular guess.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

He was a head coach and had a horrible record if I recall correctly.

Posted by: scampbell1975


Buges actually did quite well when he coached the Arizona (then Phoenix) Cardinals in 92 or 93. I think they had their first winning season in years under him. Unfortunately, Bill Bidwell got stars in his eyes when Buddy Ryan was fired in Philly, and dumped Bugel for Ryan the next year. The Cardinals fell back into sub .500 performance soon after. His only other coaching gig was with the Raiders, which should tell you enough about why he didn't do well there.

Posted by: Predator48

Posted by: Predator48 | October 8, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

In related news, t_e, sources close to the Redskins indicate an early bird dinner has been instituted by the mess hall out at the Park.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

This is one match-up where I'd advocate putting Hall on the best receiver. Delhomme LOVES to force the ball to Steve Smith, and that's where Hall could feast.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Al, ummmm...huh?

Go Git'em, Hall.

Can we not do the shell on the Panthers, Blocky?

Interesting how his buddy comes in & now he's not talkin'. Understandable, tho.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that the head coach of the Washington Redskins, Jim Zorn, will be fired by 5PM today. This on the heels of bringing in Sherman Lewis to help with the offense. It is believed that Greg Blache will take over the head coaching duties. Defensive secondary coach Jerry Gray will step into the defensive coordinator spot previously held by Blache. PFT has also learned that its not to early to pencil in Mike Holmgren for the head coach in 2010, stay tuned"

PFT is breaking the story that JZ is OUT......lather rinse repeat....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Fairly tepid comments from Gray. Again, my hope is he'll emerge as a reliable quote machine (AKA disarmingly candid, highly entertaining, brutally honest loose cannon) to replace Blache in that role...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Buges was 24-56 as a head coach (4 years with the Cards, 1 year with the Raiders).

He beat the Redskins once in 1992, 27-24. The Redskins beat the Cards later that same year, 41-3.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 8, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, Id rather put Rogers on Smith than Hall. Let Hall float around on the other side of the field. When Delhomme sees Smith covered he'll toss a duck up to Mushin. That's when DHall can grab a pick.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Corngrats to RI on being able to turn on a thread.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 8, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Bean, come on, youre above getting cheap laughts by posting fake rumors. This isn't the ESPN message board.

Steve Smith will have 200 yards and 3 TDs.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 8, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that Blache knows whats going on and simply doesn't want to lie in front of the cameras. He may know that later it will become clear for whatever reason that he knew certain things, and so his options are to either lie, tell the truth (not really an option), or just never say anything. So they just mute him.

Posted by: REXskins | October 8, 2009 1:38 PM |

Jesus. In addition to all the other shti that was there when he walked in the door, now it comes out that one of his already-in-place assistants is a backstabber. But no biggie from an organization that sues grannies.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 8, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Um huh on what?
On the first post. A lot of talking heads think Lewis is hear for when zorn is fired in the bye week. On the other post, the founder of DC's most iconic restaurant just died.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

... unlikely, I know, that in muzzling Blache they would uncork someone anywhere near as likely to go 'off message'... but again, a man can hope. Sometimes it's all we got...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Carolina's Steve Smith is an overrated punk.

I'd rather have the Steve Smith who plays for the Giants.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 8, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

And THIS from Leisure World Weekly:

..."It was understandable that the head coach and his staff would not warm to the new inclusion, most expect the owner to really DEPENDS upon him.".....


...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Some enterprising nerd out there needs to make Sherman Lewis Commemorative Redskins Bingo cards for this week's game. Entries could include:

"Jason Campbell audibles to a 1 yard run"
"Jason Campbell throws an interception"
"Clinton Portis gains 2 yards"
"Carlos Rogers drops a pick six"
"Jim Zorn goes for it on 4th down"
"Jim Zorn declines penalty to replay 3rd down"
"Daniel Snyder hires a consultant for his consultant"
"Vinny Cerrato defends drafting of Devin Thomas"

And so on, and so forth.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 8, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I get a big ol "Post not available" message from AP.

...people dying... sad...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

But in that second game, Hall also caused Smith to fumble once.

I am shocked that Hall can make anyone fumble. lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 8, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I stay in atl and I used to watch those steve smith and Dhall match ups. And it was kind of like one of those really really good rivalries like primetime and the playmaker, only the exact opposite. Smith has Dhall's number, and used to abuse him early and often. I hope the skins know this. Steve Smith used to go to the pro bowls each year primarily because of his matchups with dhall. He was mad when dhall was traded to oakland because he knew his stats would drop off a lot. Trust me, I'm being so serious. Blache/Gray....do not put dhall on steve smith. I'd rather give him to Tryon with help from landry over the top and hope he falls asleep on the challenge of having a relative nobody in front of him. All Dhall and Rodgers will do is flip off at the mouth and make him want to kill us even more.

Love the skins, but they are really caught in a conundrum of poor drafting over the years, high-priced free agents that no longer need to prove themselves be cause we paid them, and coaches that never get a chance to really do anything because they always inherit a flawed roster. Don't get me wrong, we actually have a decent team. But it is just structured totally wrong. I'm not giving up, I could never root for anyone else, but my expectations for this team can seriously not get any lower. I knew we would lose to Detroit. They are better. Never thought I'd get to a point where i'd say that.

And one more thing, let us not forget that this is the same team that made ADAM ARCHULETA THE HIGHEST PAID SAFETY OF ALL TIME!!! I rest my case.

Posted by: johnhicks1 | October 8, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Ryan O'Halloran is taking this pretty personally, he's stated that this is "just another day at the circus, and "what a joke" regarding this blache thing....someone give that guy a hoodsie or something.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Also, still waiting to see if any more [stupid] media types follow up on the reports of Zorn being "very frustrated with the talent level" of the team...heard that from Skins beat reporter on 106.7 last night...quote came from one of his [oh man, I hate to even use the word up here, because obviously they're always completely fabricated from the mind of the reporter] sources.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 8, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"Around the Bye week TE. Thats the popular guess."

I'd guess so, too.

If the team underwhelms against the panthers and has a close game against the chiefs at home, the money is on Blache getting fired and Gray promoted.

If the stench continues throught the brutal November stretch (falcons, cowboys, iggles, saints, oh my..), I'd say Bugel's the head coach as the season comes to a close.

But let's be positive.

Sherm turns the offense around and we make the playoffs at 10-6.

And once that happens, we'll all shout, "BINGO!!!!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

So.........in three weeks when GB is made head coach and Lewis is made O coordinator, Grey will be ready to move to D coordinator? Grey is starting his training by taking over Media day for GB

and still:
the three stooges cant break free of DBs

CP can't get to the hole that's not opening

JC stiil has touble getting the ball off in 2.2 secs (all he has)

the DB still play 10 yards off the WRs giving them 6-7 yards all day

But they'll be highly motivated

Riiighttt............

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 8, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Blache's move occurred a day after Sherman Lewis was introduced as an offensive consultant. Lewis, who has extensive experience as an assistant in West Coast offenses, was hired to help Coach Jim Zorn improve an offense that ranks 27th in the league in scoring with an average of 14 points.


By Jason Reid | October 8, 2009; 12:57 PM ET

THIS is the reason he is refuseing to talk to the idiots.

What does bringing in an offensive minded coach have to do with the Def Cord not speaking.

It has been brewing for over a year now since JLaC started badgering him over stupid stuff (pass rush).

Dude is old and he just wants to coach and not answer stooopid questions. Since this is his last year and his D ain't the main problem, I say why stress about it? Gray is DC in waiting anyway.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

But after the Blache news, it feels like the wheels are coming off of the bus...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 8, 2009 1:49 PM |

Mixing our metaphors are we? It's either the wheels came off the track or they threw him under the bus. Heh, heh.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 8, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Nate, if Congress is next in the pecking order do we as fans qualify for TARP money?

Posted by: Keyskonnection | October 8, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The Best #89?:

Steve Smith

or

Santana Moss


pick'em:

Moe goes with #89.

Excellent punt returner. Speedy. Excellent ball skills.

Yeah, I like #89.

I don't know who those two guys are, though.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Nice write up Rick.

Exactly how a blog should be used. Examine the individual matchups and get good quotes from both parties.

Kudos.

Posted by: elfreako | October 8, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Check it out 10/7/09 movie clip:

http://www.lilbitmoneyfilms.com/

Posted by: gixxer998 | October 8, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The wheels now are coming off.

With this franchise so fragile and disorganized, a loss in Charlotte would be
devastating.

Carolina will break out this weekend and the blood will flow freely soon thereafter.

Posted by: gdennie | October 8, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I didn't get why Jason conflated the Sherman Lewis hiring with the Blache self-imposed gag order. Seemed either sloppy or like an unfinished thought. What gives?

Posted by: PDiddy | October 8, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Being more specific about Bugel, because my memory told me he didn't do too well as an HC - 5 seasons, best season with AZ was 7-9, didn't win more than 5 games in any other season.

Qualifier - he coached the Cards and the Raiders, who at that time were probably the worst organizations in pro football, so maybe he'd be right at home as a HC in Washington these days.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 8, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Nate, if Congress is next in the pecking order do we as fans qualify for TARP money?

Posted by: Keyskonnection


Better yet, can we get Congress to put in a public option for the skins. I'd rather see Obama run this outfit than Danny & Vin!

Posted by: Predator48 | October 8, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Smith is talking about someone else jawing? That's a laugh.

I saw him most recently in the MNF game against Dallas, and all he did was run his mouth on the field and on the sidelines. He also ran the wrong route (it was a slant he gave up on) causing a Delhomme INT.

Not to mention the fact that his punching a teammate qualified him for the Michael Westbrook Humanitarian Of The Year Award in 2008.

What a jagoff.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 8, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Blache is a petulant hot-head, but for the Skins to agree to waive his press responsibilities is downright baffling.

There is absolutely no rational reason for them to do that.

It looks like Cerrato has lost control and the inmates are running things over there.

It's always been amateur-hour over there, but now its getting downright silly.

Posted by: gdennie | October 8, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Smith responsible for special teams, too? (horrible unit).

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

No one else can coach the team except for Buges because he has head coaching experince. And when Gibbs 2.0 was here he was essentially a head coach, as evidenced by choking him out TOm Cable style when Gibbs was F'ing up the offensive game plan.

Blache wants no part of being a HC. He just wants to get this year over so he can retire, hunt, and call Bingo...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Keys, yep, you got it... though I know many of our more conservative brethren up here would never accept a dime in gub'ment relief. And anyway I wouldn't expect Congress to take care of this mess, so I expect it will get kicked upstairs to the JLA... not to be confused with the JLC... and their brand of rough justice will certainly not be in the vicinity of TLC...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Redksins will score 45 points on Sunday

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 8, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Smith is going to light Hall up on Sunday. Does Hall actually watch the film of the games he plays?

Posted by: clark202 | October 8, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Being more specific about Bugel, because my memory told me he didn't do too well as an HC - 5 seasons, best season with AZ was 7-9, didn't win more than 5 games in any other season.

I stand corrected. For some reason I thought he took them to 9-7 that year. To be fair to them 7-9 probably felt like 9-7 to that organization.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 8, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see Obama run this outfit than Danny & Vin!

Posted by: Predator48 | October 8, 2009 2:28 PM

Obama is more Medium than Zorn. WTF are you talkin about? HE can't even get one republican to crossover....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

dyslexia is a beyotch.

Dyslexics Untie!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: snydercash4clunkers | October 8, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

HE can't even get one republican to crossover....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Ya boy Danny is a republican...
Enough said.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 8, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

If Blache and Gray are smart they'll keep Hall away from Smith.

Posted by: BREV1 | October 8, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't think a loss in Carolina would be that devastating. I think it's somewhat expected. I think if we won on Sunday however, that would be a great sign that our season could improve.

Posted by: REXskins | October 8, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If Danny was my boy, we wouldn't be running a WCO. Try again.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

anyone know how the teams that JGray was the D-Coach of, how they did?? Was he an attacking style of coach, or bend/break?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Chey - I doubt the Redskins will score 45 point combined over the next 13 Sunday's. This team is quickly heading to 3-13. The fact that the news around this team is about Sherm and GB after A WIN last week and A BIG GAME COMING UP is pathetic.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | October 8, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Pred48, please expand on the public option idea for the team.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | October 8, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

There has been a report posted that says Zorn is out? i went to the place where this report was suppose to be but did not find said report

Can some one please confirm this that the coach is out ?

Posted by: joevick | October 8, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins beat the Cards later that same year, 41-3.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 8, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Ah, remember the good old days when we could actually score not only "some" points, but even 41.

Posted by: quinn3 | October 8, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

And as for you Sir Hall, shouldst thou see one Steve Smith crosseth over the middle, why then lower thy shoulder and smite him mightily. But do thou not bray! Maybe even leadest with the crown of thy helmet. Your Majesty will gladly accept the 15 leagues penalty

Posted by: ElYeah | October 8, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Can some one please confirm this that the coach is out ?

Posted by: joevick

I can confirm

Signed HG Wells

Posted by: ElYeah | October 8, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Now it is confirmed. Blache goes quiet.
What does Zorn and G. Williams have in common? A coach who wanted their job.
So long Zorn.
Hey, JC your job is safe for another two years. Why do I say that? Well you have a new coach, a new system, blah, blah,... and your excuses are as good as gold.
LOL. The teflon QB, that should be JC's nickname, not a single blame sticks on him.

Posted by: hock1 | October 8, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Even Blatche know Zorn sucks as a coach. It is just like the movie "Apocalypse Now", Sherman Lewis is the assassin ready to take out the Zany Zorn-man..."The Horror...The Horror..."

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 8, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Apparently things are worse than we thought.

Sources tell us that Sherman Lewis was around Ashburn, VA strip malls trying to find out where he can get a "Magic 8 Ball."

So, far, the consensus has been, "Too Soon To Tell."

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 8, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Those same sources, DID also add that Lewis said he'd be satisfied with an Ouija Board, too.

Apparently he's got a few questions for Bill Walsh.

(Contrary to the swirling rumors, Lewis did NOT fire Greg Blatche today, though he did make him lay physically under the team bus during media time... They'd never think to look there! This guy's got the "it" factor)

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 8, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

stay in atl and I used to watch those steve smith and Dhall match ups. And it was kind of like one of those really really good rivalries like primetime and the playmaker, only the exact opposite. Smith has Dhall's number, and used to abuse him early and often. I hope the skins know this. Steve Smith used to go to the pro bowls each year primarily because of his matchups with dhall. He was mad when dhall was traded to oakland because he knew his stats would drop off a lot. Trust me, I'm being so serious. Blache/Gray....do not put dhall on steve smith. I'd rather give him to Tryon with help from landry over the top and hope he falls asleep on the challenge of having a relative nobody in front of him. All Dhall and Rodgers will do is flip off at the mouth and make him want to kill us even more.

I agree johnhicks1, to a certain degree:

Dhall has not been a good cover guy thus far. his cushions are way too much and Steve Smith will eat him up. If they do put Dhall on him they should always double. Also Smith thrives on burning these so called cover corners..Ask Smoot what happen when he was in Minn. I think Rogers will do better on him with help also but none the less he'll be better than Hall, just don't expect INT's but he'll break up passes and have closer coverage. And Tryon, Please "try again" one game doesn't prove anything Smith will kill him this kid covered the 3rd or 4th WR on Tampa and now you think he's ready for Smith? No way.

So hail and victory and all that corning redskin fight song BS.
This is the start of a 3 game win streak going into the bye.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 8, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

too bad hall IS talking to the media

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 8, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

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