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Who's the Redskins' offensive MVP?

By now, you've no doubt seen the news that rookie Brian Orakpo is the Redskins' lone Pro Bowl representative, a stark contrast to the Washington contingent that was selected a year ago. This year it's one defensive player and zero from the offensive side. Last season, it was four offensive players (Chris Cooley, Clinton Portis, Chris Samuels and Mike Sellers) and none on defense.

Fans can make a legitimate case for both Andre Carter and London Fletcher, but scanning over the offensive side, there weren't a lot of options this time around. It raises an interesting question, one that Portis actually posed last week during his weekly radio appearance.

"Yesterday I was thinking, 'Who's going to win our offensive MVP at our Redskins luncheon next year?' " Portis pondered on "The John Thompson Show" on ESPN 980 last week. "So who do you give that to? When you have a question of who your MVP is on offense, I think that's a tough year."

It might be tough decision, but it's not likely the team will simply not name an offensive MVP this season.


While you might think it's a difficult question because the dearth of quality options, you might not be surprised to learn that the Redskins' head coach also thinks it's a tough call - but because he sees plenty of deserving candidates. We posed the question to Zorn last week, and here's what he had to say:

"That would be a hard pick. I really like what Jason Campbell has done all year. I like what Santana Moss has done all year. I like how Fred Davis has come on. I absolutely love the steadiness of Casey Rabach. I look at Mike Williams - he hasn't had the chance to play all year, but he's come on, he's stayed in there. For him to even get ready for the season was a big deal. Derrick Dockery has been quiet but steady in there the whole year. Gosh, there's a lot of guys. I hate to name one. I've given you a few, just because of the things they do, just because of the different inspiration they create for our group. Those are some good guys."

By Rick Maese  |  December 30, 2009; 7:15 AM ET
 
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Hunter Smith

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 30, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say it's a bit laughable to try to pick an MVP on the 3rd worst scoring offense of the decade.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

I voted for "Other" since you didn't list Hunter Smith as an option. He clearly was the Offensive MVP for the 1st half or so of the season and no one really deserves it for the latter part.

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | December 30, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

I apologize for what I am about to say....

(Cl you know it was coming)

Orakpo doesn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl as OLB. He gets burnt to many times on pass plays nd I have seen him get blown up/take wrong angles on Running Plays. The only time you here Orakpo's name is when he gets a sack. Other than that...NEVER.

The most deserving was Andre Carter because he shows up in stopping the run, does a better job at containing the QB, and actually takes better advantage of his sack opportunities. Orakpo has let too many folks out of his grasp. Prime Example...When Dree Brees threw that game tying TD late in the 4th to go to OT. Orakpo missed a great sack opportunity there to end that play and secure our lead....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say it's a bit laughable to try to pick an MVP on the 3rd worst scoring offense of the decade.

Posted by: brownwood26

I agree I don't think there's anyone on this offense thats deserving of an MVP award.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 30, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Campbell getting the sympathy vote up top.....

Fred Davis.....By a Mile...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Campbell getting the sympathy vote up top.....

Fred Davis.....By a Mile...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 7:43 AM


Gotta disagree...I still say it's crazy to name an MVP on a horrible offense like this, but if I HAVE to pick one I pick Campbell. This offensive train wreck aside, dude has career highs in TD passes, completion %, and passing yardage. Unfortunately, he's also been sacked a career high 41 times and thrown a career high 15 picks...

Fred Davis has played well but it's not like he's in there doing anything Cooley wouldn't be if he were healthy. He's gotta have more than 5 good games to make me a believer.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

09' Skins Offensive MVP?? Murphy...as in Murphy's Law.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 30, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Offensive MVP goes to the fake field goal versus the Giants

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 30, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Offensive MVP goes to the fake field goal versus the Giants

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 30, 2009 7:55 AM

Or the Raiders defense for giving up what feels like half the team's offensive output for the season all in one game in Oakland...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I voted for Dockery because I never see Dockery get abused like so many of the other guys on the offensive line...

I see the BOM (Bama of the Month), 4th is still on his Orakpo hating. I bet every time homeboys gets a sack you get sick in the face, don't you? 11 sacks as a rookie, and he doesn't deserve to go the pro bowl? Riiiight, 4th... I mean, everyone knows that he's in there as a DE, not a OLB. Just stop it with you Orakpo hate-mongering already.

Anyway, who cares? The pro bowl isn't nothing but a friggin' beauty pageant anyway.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

REDDMV - You hate more than me. I base all my writings off of production....Did I not list what was what? Did I just go and trash the guy with out backing it up? Did he not make it as an OLB?

BW - The point is, someone has to be named Off MVP. There's no taking a year-off. And Davis leads the team in TDs Scored, though he only played/started half the season. Campbell....his numbers are now average. He is in the middle of the pack in almost every statistical category. 77% of his pases are thrown 10 yardsor less. You don't get MVP for sympathy. It's for production...

...which brings me to my argument bout Orakpo....look at his numbers outside of sacks....then tell me what you think of him...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

DIESEL$$:

Everytime I see your handle, I'm thinking of my truck. Yee haw. F***A.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:02 PM

Just gotta get you to take down the gun rack and confederate flag license plate holder. *sarcasm*

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 29, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the props. Maybe that beer is in order.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 30, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Rak should be a DE plain and simple. I can't wait til Blache gets fired in the coaching upheaval and Rak gets put back to his natural position and "Rak"s up the sacks!!!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | December 30, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

caption of the WaPo pic should read: "50 Cent rushes the passer vs. the Rams"...

Gotta put in my 2 cents for JC, what does it tell you when the 14-16th best QB in the league is your MVP?

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 30, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

4th, They don't pay me to hate or to love either...

He made it as a LB because he is listed as one.

Since you're fact driven, go and find out how many sacks he has with his hand in the dirt and how many when standing up...

Like I said, he's really a DE masquerading as a OLB. The whole "OLB" thing can be charged to the stupidity of the entire Washington Redskins coaching staff.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Truthfully Damarcus Ware isn't an outside LB either he rushes the passer everyplay, Lance Briggs is the only true OLB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

...which brings me to my argument bout Orakpo....look at his numbers outside of sacks....then tell me what you think of him...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 8:13 AM

That's what I always say about Abraham Lincoln. "Ignore what he did while he was President and you really can't make a case for greatness." Come on, 4th, sacks is what he did.

Posted by: League-Source | December 30, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

RED - Then the same goes for me...I never hated on Orakpo...I too said he would be a good DE...IF he beefs up from what he is now...But for him to go over CArter and LFB is ridicoulous....And like I said his OLB skills has cost us.

NOw...if we were to have gotten a real OLB...like we needed back in the draft...That boy Cushing should have been the real choice...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

flound, I wish they'd use rak like dallas uses ware...put him on the outside shoulder of daniels/carter, and give him a free run at the qb.....

offensive mvp...ha..how about Sherm Lewis....this offense was offensive to watch...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Jason without a doubt! He is setting records, and consistently picking himself up from the dirt after some nasty hits. This guy is going to be HUGE next year, wherever he is - you heard it from me first.

Posted by: piyusharora | December 30, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Truthfully Damarcus Ware isn't an outside LB either he rushes the passer everyplay, Lance Briggs is the only true OLB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2009 8:25 AM

1st of all...Ware is a 3-4 LB....And he has intercepted JC17 before....Intecept a pass....He's good in pass coverage

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

That's what I always say about Abraham Lincoln. "Ignore what he did while he was President and you really can't make a case for greatness." Come on, 4th, sacks is what he did.

Posted by: League-Source | December 30, 2009 8:28 AM

All Abraham Lincoln did was gambled politically....and he won...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

1st of all...Ware is a 3-4 LB....And he has intercepted JC17 before....Intecept a pass....He's good in pass coverage

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 8:40 AM |

He is the OLB in a 3-4 who rushes the passer everyplay, his Int. come near the line of scrimmage or when they use a zone blitz and he drops off. He doesn't cover anyone down the field like Orakpo is expected to do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

4th, no argument from me about Carter and Fletcher.

I agree that Vilma probably shouldn't have made it over Fletcher, but what about Jon Beason (more solo tackles than Fletcher), who is just as good if not better than Fletcher?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Todd Collins

Posted by: skinfanman | December 30, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm wondering if Jim Zorn took back some of the play calling duties after Vinnie was fired. That would explain some of the lack of production these last two games.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 30, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

You don't get MVP for sympathy. It's for production...

That brings it down to 3 people:

Moss is 22nd in catches(64), 23rd in yards (847) and tied for 47th in TD's (3).

Davis ranks 20th in yards (463) 18th in catches(42) 7th in TD's (6).

We all have been over where Campbell ranks in everything so lets just put say in every stat line he ranks somewhere between 14-18.

Now those are the top 3 guys we have in terms of production. This was a bad offence and 3 average players was the best we could come up with for our MVP. I guess you could ad Dockery there, but its hard to add a lineman because the NFL still does not keep blocking stats.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for next week when they can hire Shanahan so we can start watching to see what he does.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 30, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I usually don't do stats, but this is the pro bowl, so...


Ware: 56 tackles, 11 sacks, 5 FF, 6 PD

Orakpo: 48 tackles, 11 sacks, 1 FF, 2 PD

Not a whole lot of difference there, 4th.

If Ware intercepted Campbell he must've taken it the distance, because the only INT I see for Ware is 1 -- back in 2006.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Fletcher is maybe the 4th best MLB in the NFC.

I thought Lance Briggs had an off year. Demarcus plays as a 3-4 pass rusher....but he is good at what he does....Rush the passer/Keep outside contain/Drops off in zone coverage/checks underneath receiver....

I have realized a long time ago, the amount of sacks you have don't win you games. You can have 4 sacks in a game and still lose. It's the timing of the sack that matters the most......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Rabach and Dockery should probably share the honor for the achievement of not getting injured. Or which ever one doesn't get injured in San Diego.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 30, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

RED--the difference between Ware and Orakpo is that the Skins passed on Ware a few years back...

Posted by: BigE44 | December 30, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

If you take "most valuable player" literally, then it has to be JC. Of all the guys listed, we would suffer the most if he was put on IR.

JC + Yoder > Collins + Davis is what it boils down to for me.

That doesn't mean he's the "best" player on our offense this year, it just means he's the one we need to be there the most. And I admit that's a position bias, but that's how it is, QB's are by nature very "valuable".

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Posted by: REXskins | December 30, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

At the end of the game on Sunday, Fletcher should have gotten at least 4 tackles, giving him 1500 for his career.

Whoa...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"Who's the Redskins' offensive MVP?"


Gotta a better question:

Why has the redskin offense been so bad for so long?

Got 'nuther question:

Will Bruce Bruce look at the redskin offense and think 'tweak it' or 'blow it up'?

Got a final question:

Who reminds if Bruce Bruce blows up the redskin offense, a title which, all by itself, is a paradox like jumbo shrimp.

Or football intelligence.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

If you take "most valuable player" literally, then it has to be JC. Of all the guys listed, we would suffer the most if he was put on IR.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Posted by: REXskins | December 30, 2009 8:56 AM

I disagree. I think the Redskins would have won more games with Collins.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 30, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Who reminds if Bruce Bruce blows up the redskin offense, a title which, all by itself, is a paradox like jumbo shrimp.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 8:57 AM

The word you're looking for is oxymoron.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 30, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I like Orakpo and his potential as DE after he beefs up anoth 20 lbs.......

He has hd a great start and I hope to see him progress in other areas......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

moe, Bay signed with the mets....not sure how I feel about that one....sawx have some holes to fill in that lineup....

the fact that we could have had ware and rak on this team, had we drafted ware instead of Rogers....kinda makes me puke in my mouth a little bit....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I have realized a long time ago, the amount of sacks you have don't win you games. You can have 4 sacks in a game and still lose. It's the timing of the sack that matters the most......

Posted by: 4thFloor

With this logic you can average 300 yards passing a game giving him 4,800 on the season -- but that QB somehow always fails to lead his team on a game winning drive.

Does that mean that QB -- with 4,800 passing yards -- should NOT go to the pro bowl?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. I think the Redskins would have won more games with Collins.

Posted by: skinfanman
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Collins looked ok in the one system he had been in his whole career, but this was a whole new system. What makes you think he'd have done better with 3 step drops and players in his face all the time.

He looked like poo the times he did come in and play this year. There's a reason he's a backup.

Posted by: REXskins | December 30, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

the fact that we could have had ware and rak on this team, had we drafted ware instead of Rogers....kinda makes me puke in my mouth a little bit....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 9:03 AM

If that makes you do it a little bit, you'd have it all over your front if you played the stupid coulda, woulda, shoulda game. Adrian Peterson instead of Laron Landry. DeSean Jackson instead of Devin Thomas. Gregg Williams instead of Jim Zorn. Etc.

What's the point? coulda, woulda, shoulda = power rankings

Posted by: League-Source | December 30, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

sherm lewis is the mvp on offense. without him there wouldn't have been 30+ games actually there wouldn't have been 19+ games...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

peterson over landry, same thing, but I still think that DT is gonna blow up, and be a great player in this league.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

the fact that we could have had ware and rak on this team, had we drafted ware instead of Rogers....kinda makes me puke in my mouth a little bit....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


if that makes you puke in your mouth a bit, then you're all out hurling over:

6. Laron Landry
7. Adrian Peterson

And before the "what about Peterson's fumbling" guys come about, fumbling can be fixed with a guy like Peterson who doesn't rely just on just one aspect of running to be successful, unlike Anthony Aldridge.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman

"The word you're looking for is oxymoron."

Thanks, sir.

I meant 'oxymoron' not 'paradox'.

I'm not that smart, I just know how to make people think I am which is actually is a way of being smart.

Again: thanks for the help.

Mrsmoe usually corrects me when I use the wrong word to describe some kinky thing I'd like to do to 'spice things up' in the bedroom.

"I don't think the word for that is conniechung," she said.

"Trust me."

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Skins offensive MVP = Prettiest girl at fat camp.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 30, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

If we can compare Kelly and Thomas to receivers who already have arrived, then I envision Devin Thomas as Andre Johnson, and Malcolm Kelly as Marques Colston.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Red - I was talking sacks. Applying logic from one to another thing does not always convert.

Like males and females.

Offense and defense.


At the end of the day, stats get you nowhere. The Bengals have ZERO probowlers but have won their division and are 6-0 within the division.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

bean

"...Bay signed with the mets....not sure how I feel about that one....sawx have some holes to fill in that lineup..."


I said it before and I'll say it again: the sawx should've made a move to sign Hideki Matsui when he was availiable.

Maybe Theo is laying low for M Holliday.

Or Xavier Nady.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

red

"If we can compare Kelly and Thomas to receivers who already have arrived, then I envision Devin Thomas as Andre Johnson, and Malcolm Kelly as Marques Colston."

The thing about M Kelly is we don't know the range of his skills as he's a big receiver who never runs deep patterns.

In any event, I have a sense that Mitchell is better than Kelly.

And I know folks will scream, but the team would do well to find another receiver to replace what little production Randle El provided.

If S Moss goes down, you're left with three developing receivers--Mitchell, Kelly, Thomas.

There's got to be some unpolished gem in the lower rounds.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

'm wondering if Jim Zorn took back some of the play calling duties after Vinnie was fired. That would explain some of the lack of production these last two games.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 30, 2009 8:48 AM

It sure seems that way, I guess he asked Bruce if he could a last shot, to show what he can do...

I would really like for us to get a ton of the young guys in this weekend for basically a scrimmage and see what they can do.

Also, How does that stupid F'n moron Zorn says he likes what Rabach has been doing this year????? He likes watching his center end up in JC lap or blown up, terrified of oncoming blitzes.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 30, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Without a doubt ARE has gotta go, would love to be a fly on the wall in Bruce Allen's office for cuts and firings.

Moe, there has to be some WR out there that will be available during FA that could come in on the cheap. I wonder if J. Walker has anything left from the Raiders, hasnt been playing - at one point was nasty?

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 30, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

FYI if you turn to page 24 of this mornings washington Examiner you will see a quote by some drunken idiot named Alex35332

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

the fact that we could have had ware and rak on this team, had we drafted ware instead of Rogers....kinda makes me puke in my mouth a little bit....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 9:03 AM

If that makes you do it a little bit, you'd have it all over your front if you played the stupid coulda, woulda, shoulda game. Adrian Peterson instead of Laron Landry. DeSean Jackson instead of Devin Thomas. Gregg Williams instead of Jim Zorn. Etc.

What's the point? coulda, woulda, shoulda = power rankings

Posted by: League-Source | December 30, 2009 9:10 AM |


that's why you draft the best player available and not to fit a need...

Posted by: BigE44 | December 30, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see what Fanaika can do at rg....I'd also like to see Moss go over 1000 yards for the year and MK to get his first TD...

I've gotta believe that Shanny can figure out a way to use a guy like Kelly...6'4, with good hands....yeah, its a mystery to only JZ....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

4th it is still in the essence of football (offense and defense).

Male and Female is an entirely different thing...

You said that the timing of the sack is important not the number of sacks, right?

I said that with that logic a QB who averages 300 yards a game shouldn't make the pro bowl because he can't lead his team on GW drives...

How does this not apply to your sacks theory?

And as I said, I don't use stats because they are misleading. I chose to evaluate more from what I see on the field watching a game rather than what a box score says.

But this is the pro bowl, you have to use stats when deciding whether a guy should make it.

At least its not as bad as the NBA All-Star game. Tracy McGrady who hasn't started a single game this season is on pace to start for the Western Conference in the all-star game.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

so let's say we're gonna have an uncaped year next year as has been reported by wapo and others.

what does that mean for this team? just what the doctor ordered? can they just dump players with big salaries? how would that effect next year's capped salary structure if they're over that cap?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Skins offensive MVP = Prettiest girl at fat camp.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 30, 2009 9:17 AM

Yes, it is, but if your parents send you to fat camp, at least it's good to be voted prettiest! Who knows, maybe if they'd sent you to chubby camp or stout camp, you still might have been prettiest!

I think this is a great honor for Jason Campbell! After all, we RI readers are the team's best fans so he can take pride that we've elected him most valuable! Look at all the other guys who weren't even close like Mike Sellers! I hope there will be a trophy and an award ceremony, on television, so he can get the publicity that he deserves!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 30, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I say Sleepy Davis since nothing really happened on O until he started playing.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 30, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

PFT makes a good point: the Pro-Bowl rosters will see more change than normal because the Super Bowl teams won't send their players to play that game (it's the week BEFORE the SB this year). Leaves open the chance for a good number of alternates getting the call.

How many PB alternates do we have? Haven't seen that list yet.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and can I just wish The Danny a case of the 'roids.

rok rok AUN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 30, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

My thing is Red....If your QB racks up over 4000 yards...it must be some scoring going on. Which means he is prob a legit QB....

...I don't think I have ever seen a non-legit QB get over 4,000 yards...

Now SACKS...there have been plenty of 'One-Hit Wonders' who beasted out in sacks one, maybe even two years....but to never return to that status....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

you draft the best player available and not to fit a need...

Posted by: BigE44 | December 30, 2009 9:30 AM

Hey, that's a great idea, just what Vinny said he was doing. Only thing wrong with it is you don't know who the best player is until about four years after the draft, which is about when Dan Snyder gets an itch to acquire them in free agency.

Posted by: League-Source | December 30, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I would like to see Kelly on more intermediate routes (slants and curls), Thomas downfield (post, outs, and flies), Moss in the slot (catching screens, slants).

The offense would be great (yeah that's right, great) if they would build the line up and get a offensive staff in here that had a clue.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

what does that mean for this team? just what the doctor ordered? can they just dump players with big salaries? how would that effect next year's capped salary structure if they're over that cap?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:32 AM |

It has no effect on next year because there will still be no cap unless a new deal gets done. If you dump Portis this off-season then you pay him all the money you owe him and he is done off your books.

This is the best time for any team to get rid of high contracts, they do not want to pay or for a guy who is not producing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

It's really hard to judge Kelly and Thomas, who are supposed to use their size for deep threats. You'd like to see them in mid to deep range, getting open enough to use their size and catch the ball. But the only deep routs you EVER see this year are the ones where Campbell throws the ball way before the guy is open, and just hopes the timing route works based on the coverage JC saw before the snap.

On other teams, notably the Eagles, the QB has enough time to actually see the WR get open mid route before he leads the WR with a deep pass. If our QB had the time to do that, maybe we'd see both Thomas and Kelly be productive. So I don't write of either of them at this point.

Posted by: REXskins | December 30, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I've gotta believe that Shanny can figure out a way to use a guy like Kelly...6'4, with good hands....yeah, its a mystery to only JZ....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I think anybody with half a brain can figure out what to do with Kelly. He's at the very worst a possesion receiver. I'd use him as a horizontal threat. Kepp him close to the sidelines to keep the defense from crowding the middle of the field. Zorn would never think to do that since he runs 99.99% of his plays to the middle of the field.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 30, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

If S Moss goes down, you're left with three developing receivers--Mitchell, Kelly, Thomas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:25 AM

I've gotta believe that Shanny can figure out a way to use a guy like Kelly...6'4, with good hands....yeah, its a mystery to only JZ....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 9:31 AM

I love Santana and ARE plays hard as a receiver...BUT Zorn took the training wheels off the young'uns, but won't let go of the seat. If these guys are the future, let 'em ride, fall and get back up again. If they suck, get a new kid...

Posted by: BigE44 | December 30, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

mhartz1

"...there has to be some WR out there that will be available during FA that could come in on the cheap..."

I think what guys like P Garcon, M Colston, and M Wallace prove is that there are a lot of guys who know how to play receiver who fly under the draft radar.

So I'd take the time to find a couple of guys like before I bring in a FA.

The only FA the skins need are offensive linemen types, plain and simple.

And more they spend, the better guys they'll get.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

This is a joke...right ??? MVP for what?? The worst team ever and there is a MVP ??? Oh dear God am I laughing so very very hard... ha ha ha, give the MVP to Daffy Duck..........ha ha ha ha ha

Posted by: Ohreally2 | December 30, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

How about "None of the Above"?

One of the worse offensive units in team history -- on one of the worse overall teams in the league -- should mean there are NO MVPs... period.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 30, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

On other teams, notably the Eagles, the QB has enough time to actually see the WR get open mid route before he leads the WR with a deep pass. If our QB had the time to do that, maybe we'd see both Thomas and Kelly be productive. So I don't write of either of them at this point.

Posted by: REXskins | December 30, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse


They also have good interior lines so they can step into their throws. Our guys are either throwing in place or off their back foot.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 30, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait for JZ to be gone, and for some of the stories to come out....you know guys are gonna start to talk about the 'behind' the scene's stuff that we never hear about....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey, that's a great idea, just what Vinny said he was doing. Only thing wrong with it is you don't know who the best player is until about four years after the draft, which is about when Dan Snyder gets an itch to acquire them in free agency.

Posted by: League-Source | December 30, 2009 9:37 AM

I'm no talent evaluator, but AP was a stud year 1, Desean is MVP candidate yr. 2...

Posted by: BigE44 | December 30, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

hey RI anal info freaks... anyone know the answer to this..
Did Vinny pass on Eddie Royal AND DeSean Jackson in the 2008 Draft, 2nd round? Picking instead the overachieving Thomas and Kelly in the same round??
Saw somewhere that he had a chance at DeSean, twice..and passed.

My vote for Skins MVP is Zorn..
He got Vinny fired.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

red

"The offense would be great (yeah that's right, great) if they would build the line up and get a offensive staff in here that had a clue."

None of the great things you suggest happen without blocking.

I think what the jints did was attack the redskin offensive line: the saints, raiders, broncos didn't.

They forced 2nd/3rd stringers to play against a lot of 'twists' and 'stunts' and the cowboys came in and did the same.

The cowboys and jints feature excellent defensive linemen who took advantage of redskin players who didn't even belong on the field with them.

I bet R Riviera does the same thing this weekend with his d-line--can you blame him?

And until the team upgrades the line, no great coaching will outdo great players.

Bruce Bruce will keep the young receivers and maybe Campbell.

But the redskin offensive line: that group has got to go--every singe guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Another long year down the you know what. I’m actually with 4th….good for Orakpo, but in my book, he was not really deserving. Take him out of one game and he only has 7 sacks on the year, and essentially looked like a rookie most of the time. I do think he will be awesome down the road though. Fletcher not getting in again just shows what a joke the whole pro bowl thing is.

Offensive MVP? Fred Davis looked like he was becoming the goto guy, but my pick would be Campbell. His numbers were not “great” but when you look at his running back and oline situations, not to mention playcalling, they were pretty good. And he got beat to a pulp this year.

I just want the next coach to be able to utilize playcalling to the strengths of the offense. Anyone watch the Vikings tie it up to force OT the other night? Gruden or Jaws said something along the lines of “here’s where you throw something up to 6’ 4” Sidney Rice and let him go get it”……what did they do? Perfect pass to Rice for a TD. But that was Favre……Campbell has not shown that he can put the necessary touch on those, or really any type of passes. Not once this year did you hear an announcer say something about Campbell “throwing it to the back shoulder”, or hitting someone in stride for a TD (Maybe once, to Moss). Unfortunately it looks like the Skins need to keep him unless they have their eyes on a free agent to run things while they groom a rookie. We’ll see what happens though. Need to draft OL…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 30, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

skins have all of their picks minus a 6th rounder (to miami for JT)
PLUS
an uncapped year
EQUALS
PLAYOFF RUN! (if and only if JC17 is not the QB and a monkey with a brain is)

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else see Riggo's criticism of Allen? Kinda interesting, though I can see some counters to the argument.

thoughts?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 30, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe I started looking at OLmen who would be available in an uncapped FA year. There's not going to be a whole lot, unless a team flat out releases a player. Guys like McNei, and Penn would be RFA. There will be older players like Mike Gandy, Clifton (Packers) that would be there. Guys who played under the "Shanny system" include Ben Hamilton (34 next year) at center, and Chester Pittsguard (Texans, 30-31 next year and coming off an injury)

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

thought they lost the 3rd round pick for the supplemental?

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skins have all of their picks minus a 6th rounder (to miami for JT)
PLUS
an uncapped year
EQUALS
PLAYOFF RUN! (if and only if JC17 is not the QB and a monkey with a brain is)

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:52 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

good for Orakpo, but in my book, he was not really deserving. Take him out of one game and he only has 7 sacks on the year, and essentially looked like a rookie most of the time.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 30, 2009 9:52 AM


Considering last year the top TWO pass rushers COMBINED totaled around 7 sacks, I wouldn't turn my nose up at that. I just think it was a waste playing him at LB if his impact is clearly at the DE position. Dude might have 15 sacks if they let him master that one spot instead of mingling in two. Hopefully, the new coach will clean that mess up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

clif, what does that mean? usually teams gain picks for suplemental draft not lose them. how did they manage to lose a pick?

also forgot to include a BIG PLUS: NO MO VINNIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The only FA the skins need are offensive linemen types, plain and simple.

And more they spend, the better guys they'll get.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:41 AM |


Moe, I completely agree with this, but dont you think that they will have to bring in at least 1 vet to compete, Ala Hacket, etc? I have a feeling Moss will be gone if there really is no cap, to me he doesnt look like the same player, alot of pouting.

i put a list of UFA OL a couple of months up, but cant remember the site I pulled, there were actually a decent bit of OL available. Would love 1 starter OL FA and 2 depth younger OL during FA - off a practice squad...you have to imagine that BMW will be gone after this year, maybe?

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 30, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Is it more troubling that this question is asked, or that Zorn thinks that he has lots of potential candidates?

Posted by: Mark20005 | December 30, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Why the hell isnt this week a standard holiday...not one of my clients is working this week?

If Orakpo goes to DE full time, we need to draft a LB or get a decent one in FA, cuz that will be a big hole, esp considering he is not that good at LB, so we have no real other depth there...Blades is ok, but aint going to get it done over a whole year.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 30, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

clif, what does that mean? usually teams gain picks for suplemental draft not lose them. how did they manage to lose a pick?

also forgot to include a BIG PLUS: NO MO VINNIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse


When a player is selected in the supplemental draft, the team forfiets it's pick in that round the following year. It's kind of like layaway, esp. considering we lost Jarmon for the year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 30, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else see Riggo's criticism of Allen? Kinda interesting, though I can see some counters to the argument.

thoughts?

Posted by: DikShuttle
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A link would be appreciated for that kind of comment.

Posted by: REXskins | December 30, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

i put a list of UFA OL a couple of months up, but cant remember the site I pulled, there were actually a decent bit of OL available.

mhartz1

Most of the younger players have less than 6 years experience in the NFL, and in an uncapped year will be RFA. You can pick up an older player like, Kendall, that's a stop gap(unless a player is released), but would still need to be in the OL draft game for several years.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

We used our 2010 Third round pick of Jeremy Jarmon, via supplemental draft.

Hopefully, we'll use some of this years' picks on the OLine.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | December 30, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

MVP for everyone on the 4-12 Redskins Offense for getting Vinny fired.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

alex barron is a guy they should look at.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

alex barron is a guy they should look at.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 10:11 AM


YES

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 30, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

4th, guys who've had over 4,000 yards passing:

Rich Gannon, Don Majkowski, Brian Sipe, Lynn Dickey, Bill Kenney, Jay Schroeder, Scott Mitchell, Jon Kitna, Elvis Grbac, Jake Plummer.

And the 4,000 passing yards club is sort of exclusive, there isn't that may guys who've done it...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

If Orakpo goes to DE full time, we need to draft a LB or get a decent one in FA, cuz that will be a big hole, esp considering he is not that good at LB, so we have no real other depth there...Blades is ok, but aint going to get it done over a whole year.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 30, 2009 10:04 AM


One thing folks tend to overlook is that in today's NFL, a lot of teams play in nickel/dime packages a heckuva lot more than they do their base packages. Often, the WLB is one who comes off the field for the DB. So in theory, the Skins don't have to throw a first-day pick at a LB when they're already paying Rocky and Fletch top dollar.

I'd get a top notch CB to help with the nickel D.

Just a thought...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I apologize for what I am about to say....

(Cl you know it was coming)

Orakpo doesn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl as OLB. He gets burnt to many times on pass plays nd I have seen him get blown up/take wrong angles on Running Plays. The only time you here Orakpo's name is when he gets a sack. Other than that...NEVER.

The most deserving was Andre Carter because he shows up in stopping the run, does a better job at containing the QB, and actually takes better advantage of his sack opportunities. Orakpo has let too many folks out of his grasp. Prime Example...When Dree Brees threw that game tying TD late in the 4th to go to OT. Orakpo missed a great sack opportunity there to end that play and secure our lead....
__________________________________________

are you a retard?????! Orakpo is a DE! of course he'll have some difficulty in coverages. OLB are normally

FLETCH WAS ROBBED AGAIN! The Pro Bowl system is A FARCE!

Posted by: datruth21 | December 30, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I give it to Todd Collins.. The ONLY times the Skins offense looked good was when he was QB.. Last person Jason Campbell.. he is the major reason the Skins are going to be 4-12..

Posted by: sovine08 | December 30, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"I give it to Todd Collins.. The ONLY times the Skins offense looked good was when he was QB.. Last person Jason Campbell.. he is the major reason the Skins are going to be 4-12.."

Posted by: sovine08 | December 30, 2009 10:17 AM |

Hahaha. That's a real pat on the back for JZ and the O Line.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | December 30, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I give it to Todd Collins.. The ONLY times the Skins offense looked good was when he was QB.. Last person Jason Campbell.. he is the major reason the Skins are going to be 4-12..

Posted by: sovine08 | December 30, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

What the heck were you watching this season? Collins only came in once, had a big pass on his first attempt and then generally looked crappy the rest of the game. The only times the offense lit it up this season were when Campbell was playing. Admittedly, the offense has also looked like crap with Campbell in a bunch of times too, but give credit and derision both where they are deserved.

Posted by: rjohnson66 | December 30, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

here's the Riggo criticism of Allen not stepping up in the Haynesworth/JZ issue.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1321547120897&ref=mf

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again, another 6 hours on the JC subject. Check you guys later.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Gotta dig the Todd Collins crap...

"The ONLY times the Skins offense looked good was when he was QB.. Last person Jason Campbell.. he is the major reason the Skins are going to be 4-12.."

Posted by: sovine08


Right, on the money. The same Todd Collins who lit it up when he play in the second half of the Kansas City game. All he did was promptly go 6/14 for 75 yards and a turned the ball over via a fumble.

CUT THIS TODD COLLINS SH_T OUT, PLEASE!!! HE IS WORSE THAN JASON CAMPBELL! GIBBS SAW IT, SAUNDERS SAW IT, AND FOR WHATEVER IT WORTH, ZORN KNOWS IT.

Good f'ing grief!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Hunter Smith

Posted by: Mike4169 | December 30, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

4th, guys who've had over 4,000 yards passing:

Rich Gannon, Don Majkowski, Brian Sipe, Lynn Dickey, Bill Kenney, Jay Schroeder, Scott Mitchell, Jon Kitna, Elvis Grbac, Jake Plummer.

You left out quite a few...

Drew Brees
Dan Marino
John Elway
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Warren Moon
Jay Cutler
Phillip Rivers

and I am sure there are more.

Now the 5,000 yard club, that is much more exclusive

Dan Marino and Drew Brees, I believe that is it.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 30, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I give it to Todd Collins.. The ONLY times the Skins offense looked good was when he was QB.. Last person Jason Campbell.. he is the major reason the Skins are going to be 4-12..

Posted by: sovine08 | December 30, 2009 10:17 AM


Complete foolishness. I don't recall seeing your boy Collins play a snap when the Skins laid the wood to Oakland. Or hung 30 on New Orleans. Let's see that statue play behind that Swiss cheese O-line and see how long he LIVES, let alone play.

JC put up career highs despite playing behind the worst line in football. Dude should get a purple heart for what he did this year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

here's the Riggo criticism of Allen not stepping up in the Haynesworth/JZ issue.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1321547120897&ref=mf

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:24 AM |

Without even watching this crap, the GM doesn't decide who sits or plays that is the coaches job.

If Bruce Allen would have said sit AH then all the haters would have said, why is he getting involved and making Zorn look bad.

Riggo was a great player but now he is a little b_ch, who hates Snyder because he no longer has a radio show. He doesn't even live in the area he lives in NY, go whine about there teams.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"... give credit and derision both where they are deserved."

Posted by: rjohnson66


That is impossible for 97% of the people that post on here. Many here are so one-tracked and absolute.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins were one of the best defenses against Tight End's in the NFL. Whoever claims Orakpo was bad at coverage needs to check that stat out. Since he covered them often. Yet still managed 11 sacks. Amazing

Posted by: Mike4169 | December 30, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

cliftonbiz,
Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson..??
Can anyone help me settle a bet..

The WR/TE order in the 2008 draft:
1/30 Dustin Keller TE
2/33 Donnie Avery WR
2/34 Devin Thomas WR
2/36 Jordy Nelson WR
2/38 John Carlson TE
2/41 James Hardy WR
2/42 Eddie Royal WR
2/46 Jerome Simpson WR
2/48 Fred Davis TE
2/49 DeSean Jackson WR
2/51 Malcolm Kelly WR
...
So, yes, it was possible, if they took Eddie Royal in place of Devin Thomas and DeSean Jackson in place of Fred Davis, but then again if they took Jackson at #34 then Royal would've been gone by the time they picked at #48.
Bottom line -- at the time, scout.com had 3 WRs and one TE rated 5-stars, and we got two of the WRs and the TE. You can blame Vinny for a lot of things, but if you believe that the scouting staff (Morocco Brown, et. al.) are competent, the picks are reasonably justified.
Unfortunately, if we had taken DeSean Jackson, I fear that we would not be preparing for the playoffs, rather we'd be wondering why they wouldn't let Jackson return punts "just to see what he can do" (because ARE is the dependable pro), why he's not starting (because Moss is a better small/fast WR in the eyes of Zorn), and reading articles questioning his maturity (after dropping his first TD pass at the one!).

Posted by: daggar | December 29, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: daggar | December 30, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

clifton, I can't access the video, but gimme a break. AH was late, and got sent home. CASE CLOSED.

Randy Moss was late 2 weeks ago, and he got sent home. Punishment fit the crime.

Riggo is just trying to stay relevant...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

daggar,

That is 100% correct even if we had Desean he would not have been aloowed to do for us what he is doing for the Eagles.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I like the 4 plays Collins directed before the end of the Half in the Gints game..
He completes 2, and the 3rd one was dropped for a sure TD by Davis. His yardage far exceeded Campbells for the WHOLE HALF.

Then in the locker room suddenly its decided that Campbell should come back out and play the second half even though he was totally ineffective compared to Collins??? (we know the rest of the story.. JC throws 2 more interceptions in the second, et al)

The only plausible reason...... With JC on the bench in the 2nd half, getting totally outplayed by the backup.. how could Dan get any Offer for JC (as a Restricted Free Agent) and thus receive any compensation picks (maybe a 2nd rounder)? And Yes, Dan influences Zorn.. Zorn was hired to coach JC into the First round pick that he was.

Dan is focused like a laser to get something back for the investment he has made in JC.. (1st, 3rd, 4th in 2005). This is also why he peddled JC like a toaster last march to all the GMs who would not depart with higher than a 3rd round pick for him.

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"I give it to Todd Collins.. The ONLY times the Skins offense looked good was when he was QB.. Last person Jason Campbell.. he is the major reason the Skins are going to be 4-12.."

Posted by: sovine08 | December 30, 2009 10:17 AM |

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Look, on one of the worst offenses of all time, a merely average performance looks elite. JC is the MVP; without him, we would definitely be seeing "Paul" Bartel in there, and punting on first down would seem like the best offensive option.

Posted by: daggar | December 30, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

You left out quite a few...

Drew Brees
Dan Marino
John Elway
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Warren Moon
Jay Cutler
Phillip Rivers

and I am sure there are more.

Now the 5,000 yard club, that is much more exclusive

Dan Marino and Drew Brees, I believe that is it.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

gatorskinz, the 4,000 yard thing was to show 4th Floor that all dudes who throw for 4K aren't legit QBs. Notice how I listed a bunch of scrubs and left off the good ones.

hahahaha... But thanks for playing.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

flound, good point, considering that it took Cooley getting hurt for JZ to throw the ball to Davis, there is ZERO chance, that he'd be using DJack...and no thanks on Royal...he's completely regressed this year...his catches are 1/3rd of what he had last year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 30, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

BEEPS

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 30, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Thanks daggar...
So, I win.. I couldnt believe the Skins could of had DeSean and Royal versus Thomas and Kelly.
But, you're probably right, this coaching staff would of uncoached them. Like they uncoached a Gibbs team in 2008 from a 6-2 start to a 2-6 ending.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Riggins whining again... *shocker*... typical behavior from that irrelevant assclown.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Riggo was a great player but now he is a little b_ch, who hates Snyder because he no longer has a radio show. He doesn't even live in the area he lives in NY, go whine about there teams.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2009 10:29 AM


Seriously, Riggo needs to just shut up, crotchety old B1tch.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 30, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Mebbe you should watch it, at least. He does raise an interesting question.

If Allen sits back while "Stomps"gate goes on, does that mean The Danny is still really running the show?

That sure would suck. But perhaps he's just waiting 'till it's all passed this season. I sure hope someone come's up as "the man" in the FO & it ain't "The Dan".

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 30, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Logic would dictate that JC17 be the MVP, simply for surviving the season under the circumstances, and posting even mediocre numbers. However, it seems disingenuous to name someone who isn't going to be retained on the team next year as your offensive MVP, so that being said, I'd cast my vote towards the future and give it to Fred Davis (one of the few who's play actually improved as the season went along).

Posted by: PDXskin | December 30, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm. I can't seem to find "Offensive MVP...HAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Posted by: 4-12 | December 30, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I would say the training staff, since half of the offense is on the IR, but then if the training staff was the MVP it would presume they saved the season. Clearly nobody was capable of doing that.

That brings up an interesting point, is it possible that the rash of injuries this year and the flurry of hamstring and groin injuries last season are the result of terrible conditioning and poor preparation? Just a thought.

Posted by: tkoho | December 30, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

No, it's not preparation and the training staff that lead to the injuries.

It's AGE.

The same players that got hurt in 2008 got hurt again in 2009.

Randy Thomas - 33.

Chris Samuels - 32.

Clinton Portis - 28.

Philip Daniels - 36.

And then you had a guy like Mike Williams who really didn't belong playing in the NFL in 2009.

He had been out of football for 3 years and really needed another offseason to get his conditioning back after losing the weight.

But Vinny as usual made the 'out there' assumption that the team could count on Williams in 2009 to be not only a depth player but a 'starter' for the line.

No other team in the NFL would have depended upon Williams given his recent history.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 30, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

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