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Marques Hagans is waived

Addressing their surplus at wide receiver, the Washington Redskins waived Marques Hagans Tuesday. The transaction leaves the team with 11 wideouts.

The former U-Va star never saw the field for the Skins after joining the team as a practice squad player in December 2008. He was waived in August of last year and signed again in April. He caught nine passes for 108 yards in two seasons with the St. Louis Rams and Kansas City Chiefs.

Hagans' waiver is the first of several moves management is likely to make at the position before the team's season opener on September 12. The Redskins added veterans Joey Galloway and Mike Furrey this offseason to go with Santana Moss, and are hoping Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, both of whom are entering their third year in the league, will break out this season.

The wide receiver corps also currently includes two rookies -- Terrence Austin of UCLA and 5-foot-7 Brandon Banks from Kansas State. Second-year player Anthony Armstrong, who impressed at OTAs earlier this month, also is in the mix.

By Jorge Castillo  |  June 29, 2010; 11:46 AM ET
Categories:  wide receivers  
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Comments

FIRST to ask, "Who?"

Cue the "bring back Marko" crowd in 3...2...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Certainly not the LAST to say these are slow skins news daze of summer.

Posted by: SkinsSinceDayOne | June 29, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Marko, cut by the Lion's, was signed by the Vikings yesterday.

Posted by: Spanglerg | June 29, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I just ran across the street to my friends house, but I wasn't as fast as...............Marko Mitchell

Posted by: jiza32 | June 29, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Who cares?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Moss was 29th in yards, 27th in Catches and not even worth ranking with 3tds. For as bad as people want to say Campbell was last year he threw for more yards than McNabb and two less TDs. If Moss were a good to great receiver he would have had more than 70 catches.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Umm, I think you're wrong.
A. Alot of the time JC didn't even have time to get the ball to Moss because he was on his back.
B. Moss was still getting doubled most of the time.
C. JC was going more to his backs and TE because of the insufficient time in the pocket and fear of getting crushed even when he had time. McNabb threw the ball ALOT more downfield and wasn't going against prevent defenses as much as JC.

"If Moss were a good to great receiver he would have had more than 70 catches."

Really? And you're basing this off Zorn/Sherm offense huh, since it was so prolific for WR's. Check Moss's stats the year before when the O line was decent the first 8 games and Zorn hadn't got completely stupid. To say a WR is slowing down based off the horrible offense they were in last year is way off base.


Posted by: ga8085 | June 29, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Why can't both be true? They're not mutually exclusive. Shanahan couldn't win a SB without Elway, and Elway couldn't win a SB without Shanahan.

But Elway's retired, and Shanahan's still coaching. We have to hope that trend doesn't hold.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 11:53 AM


I'm fine with saying both, so long as it's not just the "Shanny can't win without Elway" crap. It's just beyond dumb to make the case that he's less of a coach because he won a SB with a HoF QB. If that's the case, let's get Don Shula's bust outta Canton for having not one, but TWO HoF QBs during his career.

Oh, and "Do Not Pass Go" for Belichick since he's won with Brady. Asterisk for Dungy for winning one with Peyton Manning.

See what I mean?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Jorge,
his name is Marques Hagans, not Marcus. Just an FYI

Posted by: nwoking | June 29, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Steve Smith says hi...

Oh, and BEEPS

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 11:58 AM

Steve Smith is the exception. He is the only little receiver I can think of that consistently can beat any coverage. Moss is still a good WR but he can't beat double teams most times.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 29, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Got Beeped....

Does anyone literally know what Moss's times are? Since we're not actually talking about those, I'm guessing they're not abundantly available and therefore not that awesome.

Thx for the info RSH. Morris will be the man, eh? I had(have?) my problems w/ Caveman, too - but I'm not convinced he's done.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 29, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Steve Smith says hi...

Oh, and BEEPS

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 11:58 AM

Steve Smith is the exception. He is the only little receiver I can think of that consistently can beat any coverage. Moss is still a good WR but he can't beat double teams most times.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 29, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse


Yeah not everyone can have the hulking size of a DeSean Jackson.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 29, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

brownwood26, Phil Jackson gets the same thing: he won champoinships because he had HOF players. That may be so, but sports is a "what have you done for me lately" activity. Jackson is still winning championships with different teams, so it's harder to stick that label on him.

Shanahan gets a little more scrutiny because he had so much EARLY success: 2 SBs in his first 4 years. That's the stuff of Hall of Fame genius. But the decade that followed was less than impressive: a single playoff victory.

So it really comes back around to "what have you done lately?"

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you go and watch the last 2 losses the Eagles had against Dallas and see the great impact DeSean Jackson had when they doubled him? Thanks Stu the genius.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 29, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Shanny was O'coord [Reeves was coach] in Denver when they went to (but lost) 2 super bowls.

Shanny was O'coord in San Fran when they won a super bowl.

and obviously won 2 super bowls as coach.

In all, Shanny has participated in 5 super bowls with a 3-2 record. Who wouldn't want him as the head coach?

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | June 29, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Get what you're saying Alan, but it's short sighted to slight a guy with two rings, regardless of when he got them. That's like slighting Joe Gibbs by saying, "Yeah, he's got 3...but he never won two in a row." Or saying "Yeah, Don Shula has multiple rings, but he hadn't won one since the early 70s." I mean, Shula DIDN'T get a SB with Dan Marino and that guy is football royalty. Yet Shanahan DOES win not one, but TWO with Elway and somehow he doesn't measure up?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Even when Campbell did have the time in the pocket he needed. He often missed Moss. Whether it be not seeing him wide open down field or because he would severely over throw him when he had his man beat.

I've heard a lot about how Campbell throws a great deep ball. It might look nice in the air but he puts no arch on his passes. Which is why his down field accuracy past 20 yards is one of the worst in the league.

Posted by: dfbovey | June 29, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Djax has become one of the best deep threats in the league. 2 poor games doesnt diminish him impact. 1200 yards and 9 tds last year for a guy listed at 5'10 170, wich he aint. That is what small receivers can do in this league. Moss can still get open downfield thats the point.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 29, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much seems to me we're debating a known (to SOMEONE) quantity RE Moss.

Shanahan prognostication is more of an art at this point, I guess. I'll wager:

I think he knows how to put a system in place and it's really just a preparation to hand the reigns over to his son in a few years anyway.

I don't want to get hung up on wins coming from the basement. Even though they're taking a shot at it, I'll be more pleased with well played games and losses than a bunch of luck and just missing the playoffs or something.

Bottom line, a playoff appearance would have to be considered a big success. But so would just good solid play.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 29, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

And please stop with the comparisons of how JC threw for more yards then McNabb and only a few less TD's.

MCNABB MISSED TWO GAMES! DUH!!

Posted by: ga8085 | June 29, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | June 29, 2010 12:19 PM

No disagreement here. But look at how hard some RI posters are on Gibbs 2.0, and compare:

Gibbs 2.0: playoffs 50% of the time. Record 0-2.

Shanahan (after Elway): playoffs 40% of the time. Record: 1-4

Gibss 2.0 and Shanahan after Elway are very similar, but people here are often very critical of Gibbs 2.0.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Correction: Gibbs 2.0 was 1-2 in playoffs.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

brownwood26, Phil Jackson gets the same thing: he won champoinships because he had HOF players. That may be so, but sports is a "what have you done for me lately" activity. Jackson is still winning championships with different teams, so it's harder to stick that label on him.

Shanahan gets a little more scrutiny because he had so much EARLY success: 2 SBs in his first 4 years. That's the stuff of Hall of Fame genius. But the decade that followed was less than impressive: a single playoff victory.

So it really comes back around to "what have you done lately?"

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 12:15 PM
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A city that hasn't been to a super bowl in 20 years, and hasn't had a good strong sniff at the 2nd round of the playoffs either is going to complain about a head coach with a winning record and multiple super bowls?

you can't be serious.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | June 29, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Gibss 2.0 and Shanahan after Elway are very similar, but people here are often very critical of Gibbs 2.0.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you cant go home, or you need a change of scenery. Shanahan needed out of Denver, took a year to do nothing but basically scheme for his next gig. It wasnt really a year off, he was making the rounds and picking up different philosophies.

I think Shanahan seems like a guy who carries a chip on his shoulder, after his perception of the way he was treated in Denver, I have a feeling he has a desire to prove some people wrong.

And because of that we as Redskins fans could possibly reap the benefits.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

A city that hasn't been to a super bowl in 20 years, and hasn't had a good strong sniff at the 2nd round of the playoffs either is going to complain about a head coach with a winning record and multiple super bowls?

you can't be serious.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | June 29, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

What he said. After the Zorn Debacle you would think we would be throwing flowers at Shanahans feet.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

And please stop with the comparisons of how JC threw for more yards then McNabb and only a few less TD's.

MCNABB MISSED TWO GAMES! DUH!!

Posted by: ga8085 | June 29, 2010 12:27 PM

Given the injuries and incompetence across the O-line, I'd say it's impressive that 1) JCs stats were so close to McNabb's, and 2) JC didn't miss any games.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Phil Jackson gets the same thing: he won champoinships because he had HOF players

No, because he was very effective at using talent and getting loyal players who would play every game like it was a playoff game.

He succeeded by getting the selected and inherited high-talent players to put themselves in situations where they could become HOF'ers.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 29, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of WRs...Moss, Thomas, Galloway, Furrey, Ware, Austin. That's it that's the list. Kelly doesn't play teams, can't stay healthy, and won't make the 53 man roster.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Moss will have better success this season with a QB that has a touch pass and should be able to loft it over DBs down field. Everything JC threw was a bullet big arm but it wasn't always necessary, and he couldn't tuck it into Moss.
WR's are still average, as is RB - good luck #5 - TE, o-line are his best friend

Posted by: pittsconn | June 29, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

A city that hasn't been to a super bowl in 20 years, and hasn't had a good strong sniff at the 2nd round of the playoffs either is going to complain about a head coach with a winning record and multiple super bowls?

you can't be serious.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | June 29, 2010 12:43 PM

The complaining won't start until games are played. Gibbs 2.0 did, in fact, get to the second round of the playoffs as often as Shanahan did in his last decade of coaching.

But you're missing the major point--Shanahan is a fine coach, but his last decade of coaching was no better, and in some ways worse, than Gibbs 2.0.

And Gibbs 2.0 was IN FACT criticized, despite returning with a winning record and multiple super bowls for the burgundy and gold... after games were played.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell...i think it's pretty clear that when the Skins waive him during OTAs and then the lions do the same.....

Pretty obvious the guy isn't what many think he is on the blog.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 29, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Good move on Shanahan's part. The era where we will sit back and wait until players are good-and-ready to perform, rather than forcing them to desperately compete for a roster spot, should be over.

The shorter timetable for players to perform, reinforced by bringing in a lot of competition, will ensure empower management to control the team culture rather than making management beg and nuture players unnecessarily.

This also adds stability and a sense of pride to the franchise, something snyder, ceratto, zorn, and perhaps even gibbs, didn't understand.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 29, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

And please stop with the comparisons of how JC threw for more yards then McNabb and only a few less TD's.

MCNABB MISSED TWO GAMES! DUH!!

Posted by: ga8085 | June 29, 2010 12:27 PM

Given the injuries and incompetence across the O-line, I'd say it's impressive that 1) JCs stats were so close to McNabb's, and 2) JC didn't miss any games.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

i can't believe some are still chatting about JC...and to compare him to Mcnabb in any fashion is just silly.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 29, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

No disagreement here. But look at how hard some RI posters are on Gibbs 2.0, and compare:

Gibbs 2.0: playoffs 50% of the time. Record 0-2.

Shanahan (after Elway): playoffs 40% of the time. Record: 1-4

Gibss 2.0 and Shanahan after Elway are very similar, but people here are often very critical of Gibbs 2.0.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 did when a playoff game...was not 0 and 2...was 1 and 2 in playoffs his 2nd stint.

how soon we foget what a mess the franchise was in after Spurrier... I think Gibbs did a hell of a job considering the mess he took over and being away for 12 years.....Who else could have held the 07 team together after Taylor died. that was his best coaching of his career....Superbowl years were easier..the machine was built...

He did not win a superbowl 2nd time around...but to call it a failure....i disagree

Posted by: leevi98 | June 29, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

leevi, it's very common to compare players and coaches to their predecessors at the same position. As "silly" as that may seem, don't be surprised if it continues to happen.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of WRs...Moss, Thomas, Galloway, Furrey, Ware, Austin. That's it that's the list. Kelly doesn't play teams, can't stay healthy, and won't make the 53 man roster.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 12:51 PM

I can see Kelly not making the team for the reasons you mentioned. I hope Anthony Armstrong, who is one of my training camp underdog I will champion, will make the team. BTW with Banks pushing for return duties, the WR can have 7 on the active roster this year.

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

leevi, it's very common to compare players and coaches to their predecessors at the same position. As "silly" as that may seem, don't be surprised if it continues to happen.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I would agree with you on most situations but to compare JC with mcnabb is silly. Jc dinked and dunked left and right and hardly ever went down field and when he did...it wasn't pretty most of the time. the o line was not as bad as been exaggerated on this blog and Matt Mosley. I watched play after play on DVR last season and before where JC had tons of time. He was not smart with the ball and could not see the field very well.

Mcnabb threw down filed a ton more than JC so similar numbers? Maybe on the surface...but take into account Mcnabb threw less % passes to be completed a bunch more than JC did...'

But I should just post this link....Kinda says it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM


Posted by: leevi98 | June 29, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

He did not win a superbowl 2nd time around...but to call it a failure....i disagree

Posted by: leevi98 | June 29, 2010 1:06 PM

(You missed my correction of Gibbs playoff record below the original post.)

Agreed. Gibbs leaving is what put us in a mess, but while he was here he brought this franchise stability, which has been sorely lacking.

You will never find a post where I bashed Gibbs 2.0, I think he did a great job and the continuity should have gone to Gregg Williams (if you remember, you and I had that debate many times--no need to rehash). But I'm pointing out there were many here who did bash Gibbs 2.0.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Hagans leaving is the precursor to another signing or trade. I am picking up on the trend here. My aching knee says it is going to rain and we will have another receiver very soon...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

TWSI- any info on Armstrong. I'm ok w/ Kelly getting cut. He's basically Marko w/ bad knees and was a total waste of a 2nd Rd pick. I'd also like to see a couple youngsters step up and take the spots of Galloway and Furrey.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

All together now, "Bring back MARKO MITCHELL in 3...2...1...

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 29, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

And please stop with the comparisons of how JC threw for more yards then McNabb and only a few less TD's.

MCNABB MISSED TWO GAMES! DUH!!

Posted by: ga8085 | June 29, 2010 12:27 PM
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Hey, easy now, JC missed a few games, too. I swear he was not there for the entire 1st Giants game, and then the first half of that Tamp Bay game... no one home. I'm sure going to miss those games when the camera zooms in on Campbell's face and there is that totally blank expression on his face - like the guy who breaks wind in the elevator...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

leevi- That pretty much says it all.

JC could've probably thrown for 28-30 TDs if he didn't get scared.

With McNabb at the helm, we will have alot more TDs deep.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

MARKO MITCHELL.........he will be missed. His play on the field was far superior to any REDSKINS receiver last season, even SANTANA MOSS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 29, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

OH NO!!!! Not Marques Hagans!!!!!!


Ok, good to get that outta the way and over with. maybe Leigh and Marques can lead the Saints to B2B Lombardi hoistings.


BTW, caught 13 small aku (skipjack tuna) and a NICE 25 pound Mahi on our trip last week. Never got hit by any ahi (yellow fin tuna).

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 29, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Ha,ha,ha,ha. Sense of humor..........anyone,anyone, BUELLER?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 29, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

sfik, NICE....good day on the salt...haven't been in a while myself...need to get out there...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

leevi- That pretty much says it all.

JC could've probably thrown for 28-30 TDs if he didn't get scared.

With McNabb at the helm, we will have alot more TDs deep.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 1:22 PM
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Talk about a great idea for a marketing campaign down South...

"There's a new QB in town, Redskins fans, and he ain't scair't."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

TWSI- any info on Armstrong. I'm ok w/ Kelly getting cut. He's basically Marko w/ bad knees and was a total waste of a 2nd Rd pick. I'd also like to see a couple youngsters step up and take the spots of Galloway and Furrey.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 1:18 PM

He's brought the noise during the OTAs and minicamps. If he carries those performances into training camp, he will be on the team. He's been really effective in the slot where his quickness and speed gives him and advantage. I'm hoping he's the 4th WR.

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

But enough about the past, the future is now. This roster is improved 500%, when compared to last season.

It all starts at the top.

1. Cerrato out, Allen in.
2. Zorn out, Shanahan in.
3.Campbell out, McNabb in.
4. A bunch of losers gone (ARE,Collins,ets.)
5. 1st Rd Left Tackle(what a thought)
6. Pro Bowl Right Tackle(OMG)
7.Slip and slides out, real practice in.
8.We go from worst to first this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"There's a new QB in town, Redskins fans, and he ain't scair't."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Scurred

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

First we get rid of Marko, now we get rid of Hagans. My goodness, what'll these guys do next?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 29, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Thx for the info RSH. Morris will be the man, eh? I had(have?) my problems w/ Caveman, too - but I'm not convinced he's done.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 29, 2010 12:12 PM
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I don't think he's done, but I think Shanahan uses a fullback a little differently. Sellers might become more of a goal line player either at tight end or as a fullback. Morris is the guy you want back there when you plan on throwing. He can catch and run.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

To all those who are calling for Kelley to be cut: Give him a shot in Shanahan's WC with DM5, you have no idea if he can play or not!
Portis rushed for 1500+ yards for Gibbs and found any reason not to play in Zorn's offense because it s'cked. I think Portis was right when he was very vocal about Zorn and probably knew the team was going nowhere so decided to try to avoid getting hurt even more for someone who was doomed to failure.
Coaching makes all the difference, so just hold your horses.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 29, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

co-sign on Kelly.

lets use him in the right manner, and see what he can do.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Careful with the co-signs, you saw what it did to Brunell!

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

@krystal_ball

Maybe…Where you at?

Posted by: camp_fodder | June 29, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Coaching makes all the difference, so just hold your horses.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 29, 2010 2:01 PM |

He's got to step it up in training camp. At the quarter pole, I've heard both Ryan O'Hallaran and John Kiem mentioning Kelly's route running is making him vulnerable with the amount of veteran WRs on the team. Ideally he balls out and at the very least become a Chris Carter (early version) and just catch TDs, but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets released.

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Steve Smith and DeSean Jackson played for coaching staffs that actually put them in a position to make plays. Santana Moss did not. Always "taking what the defense gave us" is a recipe for failure. Winning teams impose their will on their opponents and force their opponents to adjust to them. The Redskins coaching staffs have not been aggressive enough since Marty left.

Posted by: largetony86 | June 29, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

4. A bunch of losers gone(ARE,Collins,ets.)
Posted by: iH8dallas

Losers? One was an important part of a Super Bowl Championship and the other gave Redskins fans the most unlikely, and enjoyable, Decembers in 10 seasons.

Not that they shouldn't be gone now, but I think they are both far from losers.

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 29, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling it. Time of blog death...2:27pm. RIP RI.

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

There is no way to get an accurate comparison of JC and McNabb because there are so many intangibles involved when playing the QB position which is something that I do not feel JC could ever grasp. Stuff ike pocket Presence, getting the ball out of your hands in a timely manner, buying time with your feet, creating plays when the play that had been called breaks down, commanding the huddle, ect. Those are intangibles that McNabb has already proven and in the little time that he has been in Washington he is already showing leadership. The offense will perform much better under his command. It is not always about touchdowns and yards gained.

Posted by: sirmixx01 | June 29, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

HAYNESWORTH REPORTEDLY SIGHTED IN TENNESSEE, MAY BE HEADING NORTHEAST

NASHVILLE, TN – Here’s some late breaking news from the Tennessee State Police: Nashville area motorists are reporting several sightings of a specially configured armored truck that is said to be rolling up and down the interstate highways, possibly heading northeast.

According to the police report, observers are speculating that the truck, which is described as a burgundy and gold Brinks security van with oversized tires and gold rims, is apparently being driven by some barely dressed and heavily tattooed “Mex-or-Rican beauties” who keep taking their tops off and laughing at the other drivers.

Motorists with small children are being warned to beware of getting too close to the sides of the truck, because their children might be able to look through the windows and see some of the odd goings on in the “VIP lounge” -- which is said to feature leather couches, stripper poles, champagne bottles, loud music and other unmentionable activities.

The truck is reportedly festooned with several signs, including “Wide Load” on the front and back, and “Hey-Hey Hay(nesworth),” “FU-Skins,” and “Ashburn or Bust” on the sides.

One report placed the truck at the drive through window of a McDonalds restaurant on the outskirts of Nashville, where it reportedly ordered two-dozen Angus Beef and Bacon sandwiches with extra cheese, 21 supersized orders of French fries, four-dozen apple pies, and single Diet Coke.

This is leading some to speculate that Washington Redskins star defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth may actually be trying to get in shape and planning to attend the Redskins training camp next month in Ashburn, VA.

Said one knowledgeable source: “Albert would never have ordered the Diet Coke if he wasn’t serious about getting into playing shape for the upcoming season.”

Posted by: Vic1 | June 29, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

It's alive! It's alive!

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't compare Campbell and McNabb simply because Jason COULDN'T BE TRUSTED to lead us to victory at the end of the game. Donovan led those crappy Eagle teams back tons of times when they were down at the end of the game, but as soon as a team scored on us in the 4th quarter I just knew we'd lose. Hey, some quarterbacks have it, some don't, and JC 17 simply can't get it done in the 4th quarter. The only comeback I can even think of on the top of my head was when he got lucky with a bomb to beat the Saints a couple years ago. There's no way he could get an entire drive going at the end of the game. He'll probably put up decent yardage and stats before the end of his career, but how many comebacks did he end up having? That'll be the stat for me.

Posted by: monk811 | June 29, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I wonder who the guy (Javon Walker) will be to replace Hagans (Javon Walker) on the roster (Javon Walker)....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/06/29/who-the-heck-is-richard-bartel/

This guy is going to get a good look this training camp.

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I wonder who the guy (Javon Walker) will be to replace Hagans (Javon Walker) on the roster (Javon Walker)....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 3:17 PM

Good question. I have no idea...if only we had some subliminal help.

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 29, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

But enough about the past, the future is now. This roster is improved 500%, when compared to last season.

It all starts at the top.

1. Cerrato out, Allen in.
2. Zorn out, Shanahan in.
3.Campbell out, McNabb in.
4. A bunch of losers gone (ARE,Collins,ets.)
5. 1st Rd Left Tackle(what a thought)
6. Pro Bowl Right Tackle(OMG)
7.Slip and slides out, real practice in.
8.We go from worst to first this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas

But what will replace the Z-shades? They were awesome! lol.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping Moss returns to his prior form this year, because I do remember seeing many plays last year where it seemed that Moss either gave up on the route too early or just couldn't get open.

I imagine some of it had to do with frustration because of JC not going through his reads quick enough or dumping it off, getting pressured, etc.

At least with McNabb and Shannahan at the helm, we should be able to answer some questions this year about how good our receivers, linemen, and RB's are ... instead of blaming all of the offensive mistakes on Jason Campbell and the play calling / coaching.

JC and Zorn certainly had more than their share of screw ups last year, mind you, but I also think some of the other players stopped trying as hard around mid season. For all of the bad things people can say about Jason ... I don't think him giving up was one of them.

It should be an interesting and FUN year to watch. I can't wait for it to start!

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | June 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I wonder who the guy (Javon Walker) will be to replace Hagans (Javon Walker) on the roster (Javon Walker)....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 3:17 PM

I was thinking Brian Westbrook would be the guy if they were to add another player

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

But what will replace the Z-shades? They were awesome! lol.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse
If we happen to be slaughtering the Giants this year, I'd like to try swinging gate again. Just for poops and giggles.

You know, if we happen to be up by three touchdowns in the 4th quarter with 3 minutes to go.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

But what will replace the Z-shades? They were awesome! lol.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse
If we happen to be slaughtering the Giants this year, I'd like to try swinging gate again. Just for poops and giggles.

You know, if we happen to be up by three touchdowns in the 4th quarter with 3 minutes to go.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 3:33 PM
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Why not just come out in that formation to start the season and then shift back to the pro-set?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

... He'll probably put up decent yardage and stats before the end of his career, but how many comebacks did he end up having? That'll be the stat for me.

Posted by: monk811 | June 29, 2010 3:08 PM

Click here: 4 fourth quarter comebacks, 7 game-winning drives since 2006.

By comparison, McNabb has 15 fourth quarter comebacks, 23 game-winning drives since 1999.


Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I called that play to work.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Here's a tip for those fans who get all excited about the 3rd or 4th stringers who rack up big numbers in the pre-season. Keep track of WHEN they get their playing time. If they continue to get all of their playing time late in the games, you can bet that the coaches aren't particularly impressed. If the coaches think they see actual potential, the player will start seeing playing time earlier and earlier in the game. If the player CONTINUES to perform well against the stiffer competition, THEN it's time to start thinking they might become something.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 29, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

GRRRRRRRRR........

not fun/funny....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

back atcha....

Posted by: krystal_ball | June 29, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking Brian Westbrook would be the guy if they were to add another player

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Yah, I agree, TWISI. I think Westbrook is looking at other options, but this might be his best opportunity, to play with DMac again, and have the Shannies as HC and OC.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 29, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the info Alan. Not really mindblowing numbers on Campbell's part. Even though he had 7 game winning drives in 4 years, he had to have blown like 3 times that amount and lost it for us. Plus, if you look at some of those games that he 'led us back', take the first one against Carolina in his rookie year, it took Chris Cooley making a dynamite play and run half the field to score the touchdown for the so called 'comeback'. Campbell's a joke, that link just proved my point even more.

Posted by: monk811 | June 29, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will add a veteran by trade or signing later in camp/preseason when some vets come available.

There is no way the 38 year old Galloway or Bobby Wade is going to provide any kind of balance on the other side of Moss if Thomas/Kelly don't show up and produce.

This team has addressed most of its needs but still needs a wideout.

Austin may or may not make the club but that will be based on his special teams play.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | June 29, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Click here: 4 fourth quarter comebacks, 7 game-winning drives since 2006.

By comparison, McNabb has 15 fourth quarter comebacks, 23 game-winning drives since 1999.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse
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That would be ~ 2.1 per season for McNabb and ~ 1.75 per season for JC if not correcting for injury and whatnot.

Given that the Ickles went to, what 4? championships and a SB in his time, how much of that .35/season do you attribute to McNabb.

I think the 4th quarter thing is overrated, since it is usually a product of what you have been doing the first 3.

To toss another angle out there, how many times did either team gain the lead in the 4th only to have it taken back?

I'm fairly certain our D has been guilty of running out of steam at critical points during JC's time in DC, so... anyone feel like looking that up?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I wonder who the guy (Javon Walker) will be to replace Hagans (Javon Walker) on the roster (Javon Walker)....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 3:17 PM

I was thinking Brian Westbrook would be the guy if they were to add another player

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 3:33 PM
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Well, they let go a receiver, so I was expecting the deal to come down for one. I am hoping they get a receiver with some size and some attitude (not TO).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld,
Given enough stats and enough time, you could probably prove anything - even that Jason Campbell was a decent QB. At some point you just have to look at the win-loss record and say, "Hey, did the guy get it done there"? You might say he had a bad supporting cast, or a bad offensive line, but when you have been "developing" for several seasons, there is definitely something rotten in Denmark.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I've heard a lot about how Campbell throws a great deep ball. It might look nice in the air but he puts no arch on his passes. Which is why his down field accuracy past 20 yards is one of the worst in the league.

Posted by: dfbovey | June 29, 2010 12:24 PM

JC has a good arm, but lacks the accuracy on the deep ball. McNabb's strength is the deep ball. Some of those mid'range throws he often throws in the ground. He's streaky with that.

Posted by: skinfanman | June 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I think we have what will be a 'good' O-Line, as opposed to the 'horrid' one last season. Its too difficult to judge a WR last season (unless they flat out ran the wrong route).

We had no pass protection or holes for the RB, therefore no rythem, no sustained drives in which to work your game plan.
It was painful to watch.
Everyone will benefit now that we have a good O-line. Mostly us, the fans. Unfortunately, Gibbs, Bugle, and Zorn, played with what they were given by Cerrato. Now we have the chef cooking with the ingredients he chose.

We will be MUCH better this season.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | June 29, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

A better OL will make the WRs and RBs better. I remember '99 when the good OL, especially with Tre Johnson at RG before he tore up his knee, made Brad Johnson look like a world beater. And he was throwing to guys, like Westbrook, who never did anything after.

Posted by: skinfanman | June 29, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

beep...beep...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 29, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone still talking about Campbell? He is gone, finished, banished to Raiderland. Can we just concentrate on who is here?

Posted by: rmcpks73 | June 29, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Given enough stats and enough time, you could probably prove anything - even that Jason Campbell was a decent QB. At some point you just have to look at the win-loss record and say, "Hey, did the guy get it done there"? You might say he had a bad supporting cast, or a bad offensive line, but when you have been "developing" for several seasons, there is definitely something rotten in Denmark.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 29, 2010 4:19 PM

Campbell's top level metrics to date are remarkably comparable to Jay Cutler's--(i.e., similar wins/losses, 4th quarter comebacks). Except Cutler turns the ball over a lot more, and was spent time under only two NFL coaches--Shanahan and Lovie Smith. Do you regard Cutler as "developing" too?

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

If wins and losses is all that matters, McNugget has won more Super Bowls than JC can shake a stick at.....

Go figure....

Posted by: SPUD2 | June 29, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Campbell gives off the vibe that he doesn't really like the game of football - that its just a job for him, a really good paying job.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 29, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Have the Skins upgraded at wr from Randle El? Looking at the wr's currently on the roster, I think they would have been better off keeping El.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 29, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

actually they went to 3 strait super bowls and lost all 3. it was said that this will never happen again in pro foot ball and then the bill's lost 4 year's in a row the following season's.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Have the Skins upgraded at wr from Randle El? Looking at the wr's currently on the roster, I think they would have been better off keeping El.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 29, 2010 8:34 PM

Sadly you might be right, but I'd rather have my teeth drilled ... than sit through one more game watching Randle El run backwards on punt returns.

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | June 30, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Okay, a little food for thought for all you Marko Mitchell fans:

Career NFL Receptions & Yards [thus far]


Mitchell 4 catches 32 yards

[Mitchell 2009] 4 Catches 32 yards


Me 0 catches 0 yards

[Me 2009] 0 catches 0 yards

Week 9 @ ATL Marko went 2/22

Week 13 NO Marko went 1/6

Week 17 @SD Marko went 1/4


How in those FOUR career catches did he outshine ANY other wide receiver on 'Skins the roster?

Which highlight reel catch was the Rosetta Stone that decoded his otherwise hidden dominance and ?

So really Marko Mitchell is 8 catches and 32 yards better than me, and I only sit on my couch and WATCH the games, folks.

I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | June 30, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why there seems to be support of Malcolm Kelly being released??

I mean do we really think Joey Galloway, Bobby Wade, and Mike Furrey are the answers?

Atleast DT and MK have showed signs of potential. Let's see what they can do with a real QB and a real coach before we write them off...

Posted by: hender_22 | July 1, 2010 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I know of an Elena Kagan, a Ronald Regan, a Minakem Began, a Kevin Fagan, the city of Hagen and a Fox News reporter with the first name Dagen.

Who the hell is Marques Hagans and why do we care that he will soon be delivering my overnight mail or slicing meat in a local deli?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 6, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

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