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Pros and cons of pursuing Chargers' WR Vincent Jackson (updated)

According to a report in the San Diego Union Tribune , the Washington Redskins are among teams interested in acquiring San Diego Chargers wide receiver Vincent Jackson.


Entering his sixth season, Jackson is unhappy that San Diego offered him only a one-year tender--originally worth $3.268 million and then reduced to a base-salary of $583,000 when Jackson did not sign by the June 15 deadline--and is threatening to hold out until Week 10 of the regular season. Interested teams include Washington, Seattle and Chicago, according to reports.

Washington's interest makes sense. The Pro Bowl receiver has surpassed 1,000 yards receiving in each of the past two seasons and at 6-feet 5-inches and 230 pounds is the type of big target receiver head coach Mike Shanahan likes. According to an ESPN report, Shanahan looked at Jackson in the 2005 draft when Shanahan was still head coach of the Denver Broncos. Redskins wide receiver coach Keenan McCardell was a teammate of Jackson's in San Diego from 2005-06.

The Redskins could use help at wide receiver, where Santana Moss remains the only proven option and where the coaching staff clearly wants competition. There are 11 receivers on the roster, including veterans Joey Galloway, 38, and Bobby Wade, 29, third-year receivers Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, and seventh-round draft pick Terrence Austin.

Jackson does have some off-the-field issues. After pleading guilty to a DUI in February, his second conviction, Jackson likely will be subject to the NFL's personal conduct policy and likely will face a suspension this season.

It's unlikely that any trade would involve unhappy Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. Haynesworth wants out of Washington because the Redskins play a 3-4 front, and while one talent evaluator said Haynesworth would fit better in "movement schemes" like the Chargers' 30-front, it seems unlikely that Haynesworth would be any happier about moving to a different 3-4 defense.

And the asking price for Jackson would be high. The market was set when Brandon Marshall was traded from the Denver Broncos to the Miami Dolphins for two second-round picks, and San Diego likely would be looking for an equal package or for a first-round pick. Jackson, meanwhile, wants a contract bigger than Marshall's four-year, $47.5 million deal.

Washington already has traded away its third and fourth round picks in 2011.

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 30, 2010; 11:31 AM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth , Santana Moss , wide receivers  
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Comments

He is an A-hole and has just as much ego and attitude as Phillip Rivers, they can keep'm!

Posted by: EveryHomeGameSince87 | June 30, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I coulda said first but that's so 1997.......

Posted by: EveryHomeGameSince87 | June 30, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

This broke yesterday... Expect faster stories from the "Redskins Insider" and the Washington Post.

Posted by: Therub | June 30, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Skins will need to get some quality free agent wide receivers next season.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Tempting, but no thanks. There were warning sings about Fat Al and we all know where that story has gone. We don't need another mal content. One on each side of the ball could spell disaster.

Develop Devin Thomas and if M Kelly isn't up to it by week one, then cut him and move on. There's always the next best thing. We can wait it out till next years draft or free agency.

Posted by: Devo2 | June 30, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

How many more years are Skin's coarches going to be lured by the siren song of the Danny's checkbook.

... it's eerie!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 30, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

We need a big receiver and this guy fits the bill. Off the field issues are a red flag, and the asking price on the contract may never be met by the Redskins. I am thinking there will be noise but the Redskins won't take him. It is curious, however, that Washington just dropped a receiver from the roster as if they were making space for some other player...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

He's worth a 2012 3rd rounder....He has a drinking problem that will become worst once he hits these clubs in the DC area....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

We need a big receiver and this guy fits the bill. Off the field issues are a red flag, and the asking price on the contract may never be met by the Redskins. I am thinking there will be noise but the Redskins won't take him. It is curious, however, that Washington just dropped a receiver from the roster as if they were making space for some other player...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Could all be a move to incease the price on a player they are not really interested in. It's been done to us all to often in the past.

Posted by: Devo2 | June 30, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

hope they pass on him unless they take fat al straight up for him.. i think they skins have enough offense this year to win some games. get a WR in next years draft..

Posted by: cboyhater | June 30, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't touch him w/a 10' pole. Keep developing what you have. Keep the draft picks to continue building the correct way. Get creative w/Fred Davis he has the size and agility if Kelly doesn't produce in the redzone.

Posted by: MOJOMELE | June 30, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Yo diesel here's a trade for ya......

Fattyworhtless to seattle

Seahawks send there second rnd pick to the Chargers

The bolts give up pn VJax n trade him to us??????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 11:47 AM


Makes perfect sense...which means there's no chance it happens...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

No thank's! let it be.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Pass...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 30, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

VJ is a good player but with his disgruntlement/baggage, giving up of draft picks and doleing out of such big dollars why dont they just sign a cheaper version of him that wont require a 4 yr commitment? I can think of someone...

Posted by: Redskins2Win | June 30, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

If we are trading for WR, lets get Megatron and a 3rd or 4th for AH and CP.

Maybe its Maddenish, but so is giving up a 2nd and 50 large for Vjack.

I say sit still and make DT11 and MK12 prove they are wastoids.

I don't think they are. With Dmac, Familia del Shanny, and two actual NFL OT's I say they suddenly "get it" and look good.

Its worth finding out for a couple weeks in August before we make a move at any rate.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2010 4:33 AM (from previous thread)

Thumbs up in agreement!

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 30, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

No Way! The team should never commit draft picks, and piles of money to any player who has a history of off field troubles, is facing his first suspension this year, and is one more incident away from a serious suspension.

Posted by: Jason10 | June 30, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

so can we remove El Drano...d bag

Posted by: mhartz1 | June 30, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

This is all academic. The only way that AJ Smith trades VJax is if Smith becomes convinced that he will sit out until week 10, and that won't happen until the season actually starts and VJax doesn't report. Besides, it looks like the guy has a serious alcohol problem.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 30, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

so glad Vinny is gone he would have jumped all over that. The conversation would have gone something like this.

Vinny: So Mr. Smith what are you asking for in return for Vincent.

A.J. Smith: I am looking for a 1st and 2nd round pick

Vinny: OMG, Dude are u serious. I have both of those.
Hold on (covers phone with Hand but AJ Smith can still hear)
Hey Dan all they want is a 1st and 2nd, I know right, suckers
Hey Im back I dont know about that, Just kidding we'll take it.

AJ Smith: Great doing business with you Vinny( Man I love doing business with this guy as he hangs up)

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 30, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Probably a necessary evil. Moss is no longer a no.1 option. Thomas will always be a no 2. Jackson would be the top option to throw to right off the bat. I don't think anyone really believes Santana is a big threat any longer.

Posted by: carlhimmelright | June 30, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 30, 2010 12:11 PM

Thank God for Bruce Allen!

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 30, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Until shanahan or allen says we're interested, or until I hears reports that we've signed him, I consider this as credible as the Dansby, Sproles, or Peppers jawlin' hoopla.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

None of this excites me. I've been throught the pros and cons of Hayney, BLloyd, and Jeff George among others.

I'm most pleased the O-line is finally being addressed and Vinny is gone, but beyond that I really can't wait until Sept. These offseason "victories" just don't do it for me anymore.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 30, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

A first rounder is too high for VJ. A second rounder only brings me to the table. 9 million a year I'd be really tempted.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to hear about the 'Skins talking about bringing in ANYONE under 6'3" and 300lbs.

You feel me?

Everything else is just BS. Besides, we already have a Vincent Jackson.

His name is Rocky McIntosh.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | June 30, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember who was in here being all righteous and supporting M. Vick the other the day of how Vick claimed he had left the club etc etc....

Well as suspected and appeared from the get go...the video does not lie but Vick sure does....video shows...Vick is still a liar!


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5342532

Posted by: leevi98 | June 30, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

What about reducing the tender offer to a fraction of their original offer. If that's how they do it in San Diego, now we know why they'll never win!

Posted by: oknow1 | June 30, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

My big question is simple...vick was let out of prison early...did not serve his full sentence nor did he get the max.

So with a second lease on life and football...why on earth is he still hanging around the type of people who carry guns and in fact use them to shoot somebody? these people were at and invited to his party...what an idiot! Homies bond i guess runs deep and you stand by your thugs no matter what huh? WHAT ARE WE CHILDREN?!

Posted by: leevi98 | June 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The real problem with Jackson, other than the drinking issue, is he's got a big price tag. A team can only have a few $10mil/year contracts. McNabb gets one, Trent Williams gets one. Give one to VJax and you're looking at about 25% of the payroll to 3 guys. If Jamaal Brown plays at his ability level, he'll be looking for big check, too.

Fortunately, Orakpo is locked in at what is below market for his talent.

Given 2010 is uncapped, Danny could go big on upfront $$, but I'm thinking he's not too pleased with the last deal he gave out big upfront $$.

Bottom line is that this will be about the bottom line. Bringing in VJax is likely to squeeze other contracts and close the door to other FA options -- possibly including re-signing Brown.

As for giving up a 2nd round pick for a proven talent -- at a position we're weak at -- and will be in the prime of his career for the next 5 years? Yeah. Not issue with that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Yo diesel here's a trade for ya......
Fattyworhtless to seattle
Seahawks send there second rnd pick to the Chargers
The bolts give up pn VJax n trade him to us??????
We keep our picks nxt yr, get rid of AH n pick up the wr we need so bad.
VJax is young n in his prime, much better option than hoping DT n MK finally develop.
Remeber what OO5 did last time he had a big receiving threat??? We even we gotta give up a 2nd n keep Cleatsworth we need to make this deal

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Yo diesel here's a trade for ya......

Fattyworhtless to seattle

Seahawks send there second rnd pick to the Chargers

The bolts give up pn VJax n trade him to us??????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 11:47 AM


Makes perfect sense...which means there's no chance it happens...


Posted by: brownwood26
I have to think that if any team was willing to give up a 2nd rounder for Fat Al the team would jump all over it. Does not need to be part of a 3 way deal.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 30, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

NO NO NO! Stop giving up picks, run with the receivers you have. McNabb has always worked well with "no name" receivers and we have two young 2nd round WRs on the roster. Stop this nonsense.

Posted by: tgerbracht | June 30, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I think whether the Redskins trade for this guy and how much they give up will really show how committed to changing their ways and really building in a smart way. It's easy to say you've changed when there's no one out there to tempt you. Just like anyone can go on a diet in the dessert.

Posted by: tundey | June 30, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

VJax, per game $$:

What VJax wants to get paid
$750,000

What the Chargers first offered under RFA
$200,000

What the Charger 'hardball' deal is
$37,000

What if he only shows up in week 10
$100,000

I can see why he wants out. He can get paid in 2010, including up front $$ in an uncapped year. 2011 and the new CBA makes things unclear beyond 2010, though he'll get paid at some point.

If I'm AJ Smith, do I want 6 games of VJax, plus playoffs, at $100k per game? YES!!! If I think I've got a Super Bowl shot, then I keep him and don't worry about losing the draft pick I might have gotten otherwise.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

All this, for lack of a better term, "lust" for Vincent Jackson coming from the Skins makes me wonder if the coaching staff isn't happy with Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: stwasm | June 30, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Spare me the "let's se if the Redskins have changed their ways" argument...

You mean to tell me they are not allowed to be aggressive in the free agent market because Cerrato was incompetent???

I would not give a first round pick for Jackson, however, I would explore other options.

1) He's young and in his prime.
2) He's better than any receiver we have on our team.
3) He'll allow Santana Moss to really create mismatches.

Now...If you want to take the angle of let's go with what we have this season and see what pans out, then I may willing to go with that.

BUT

This whole, "Play if safe because we've goofed in the past" is a loser mentality.

Posted by: rickyroge | June 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skins need to run as fast as they can in the OPPOSITE direction - this guy is a bomb waiting to blow...

Posted by: pwflew1 | June 30, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I think Vincent Jackson is very talented and his numbers have improved every year, but I'd pass. You're looking at a 4-game suspension, and certainly paying a lot of up-front money to a questionable character in order to avoid the salary cap issues that have been plaguing the team for years.
Too bad the Skins have seemingly placed no emphasis on scouting in receny years, or they might have drafted DeSean Jackson instead of Fred Davis (who they could have still taken with the Malcolm Kelly pick). I know Pierre Garcon had that drop in the Superbowl and all, but he was a mere 6th round pick in '08 and produced more yds and TD's than Thomas and Kelly combined in '09.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | June 30, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Just like anyone can go on a diet in the dessert."

*****

Man, I dunno. Going on a diet in the dessert sounds tough, what with all those sugar dunes and those chocolate scorpions roaming around....

Posted by: TheNewTruth | June 30, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we save our valuable high draft picks and over 40 million dollars and instead find out what we have in MK and DT. It's year number three for these guys.

If Shanahan & Shanahan are such great offensive coaches, let's see them develop and get a high level of production out of at least one of them. They were both highly valued draft picks just two years ago.

If they don't make the grade, then we can dump them and use our high picks and money to fix it. If they do work out, we have high picks and money to address other things next year (like RB). We are not going to fix everything in one year.

Posted by: edvar | June 30, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I think I've had VJax on all 3 of my FF teams over the last 2 years. Been an under the radar overachiever.

For VJax, its really a case of getting paid big $$ in 2010 -- or getting paid very little compared to his expected value. I can understand why he'd want $8-9million (or more) for his work in 2010, instead of $600k.

I think the alcohol thing is a red flag that says don't give him big upfront $$. If he's suspended, you don't recoup the upfront, but do get back the game checks.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

This whole, "Play if safe because we've goofed in the past" is a loser mentality.

Posted by: rickyroge | June 30, 2010 1:13 PM |

I tend to agree with this position. At the right price I'd be willing to move forward with VJ on the team.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Skins already have one of the best TE combos in the league (Cooley and Davis) and three talented receivers in Moss, Kelly, and Thomas.

Like a poster above said, you can use Fred Davis in formations with Cooley if you need a big receiver with hands on a possession. He has the speed to even be split out in the slot on some downs.

And why are people willing to give up on Thomas and Kelly so easily? Kelly was looking really good in the last half of the season and Thomas is a burner.

I wouldn't give a first pick for this guy. A straight up Santana or AH for VJ trade would work. The Skins need to learn from their mistakes: Build from the draft and develop your players and don't mortgage your future on expensive problem cases.

Posted by: GeorgeLively | June 30, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Ahem~

As Chia_Pets attorney, I come here to inform you that I've removed beep-beep's blogging privileges because he was constantly harassing my client.

Furthermore, don't expect to see ifthethunderdontgetya anymore either.

Let us have a moment of silence please...

I ask for peace when my client, Chia_Pet, returns. Thank You.

Posted by: lockerroomCANCER | June 30, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

All this, for lack of a better term, "lust" for Vincent Jackson coming from the Skins

Really??

"It is not known whether the Redskins have spoken to the Chargers regarding Jackson"

This equals lust??? Haven't we seen this media play before??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 30, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the Skins have seemingly placed no emphasis on scouting in receny years, or they might have drafted DeSean Jackson instead of Fred Davis (who they could have still taken with the Malcolm Kelly pick). I know Pierre Garcon had that drop in the Superbowl and all, but he was a mere 6th round pick in '08 and produced more yds and TD's than Thomas and Kelly combined in '09.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | June 30, 2010 1:15 PM

Pierre Garcon had some dude named Peyton Manning throwing to him. DJax had some dude named Donovan McNabb throwing to him. Kelly/Thomas/Davis had Captain Checkdown throwing to them and Jim Zorn calling the plays. Consider that their QB and playcaller MIGHT have slowed their development and had an adverse effect on their production. Just a hunch.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | June 30, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I look at the Santonio Holmes trade, 5th round pick, as the baseline when talking to AJ Smith. He will obviously tell us to piss off, but that would be my starting offer....maybe throw in MK or DT if Smith beileves a change of scene will make a difference in their careers. Clearly we do not have confidence in DT or MK or this would not even be a post. NO WAY we give up anything close to a first or second for this Micheal Irving want-a-be....I would settle for sending our 5th 2011, DT, and conditional 2012 pick (ie JC 4th from Raiders)...the conditional pick would be based on Jacksons AND the teams performance. Most likely this will not get a deal done, but it would be my final offer.

Posted by: 1footballguru | June 30, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The 3 way deall is used so we can keep our pick
If the hawks won't give up a 2nd for al how bout they send there 3rd to SD, we send our 5th n a 4th next yr.

Now we would b giving up two picks but to solidify the offense for the rest of mcnabbs time in the nfl, I think its worth it.

Any way u guys wanna play it we would be much better with him than without him.

We would have jackson at 1, us thomas acroos him n put moss in the slot where he could return to being a weapon for mis matches

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Watch what will happen...

Let's say the Skins don't get Jackson and our current recievers are just ok....

Fans will say...

"Don't draft a receiver with the first round pick...they could be a bust..."

OR

"Pick a Offensive lineman with the first round pick...we can get a WR in the middle and later rounds...look at Marques Colston"

OR

"We can get receivers after training camp cuts"

Posted by: rickyroge | June 30, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks AH is getting traded right now for a 3rd rd choice is dreaming. Until there is a injury, we will not get even close to fair value for FatAL...for this trade to happen, we need to hope SD does not unload VJ before training camp and another team has a serious injury at DL, hopefully a 4-3 playoff contender, can you say Minnysoootah? Then they get real nervous and pull the trigger on AH, which we use to get VJ. Highly unlikely...let's just look for the usual training camp cut and move forward with the WR position next year.

Posted by: 1footballguru | June 30, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

No Way! The Skins have quality recievers and now that the O-Line has been rebuilt it hopefully will give Donavan time to see and throw to the open man. They don't need yet anopther prima donna on the team. Let the other suckers have him

Posted by: Jon7 | June 30, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Kenbeatrizz, I agree in theory, but i'm tired of the excuses. Campbell didn't succeed because he had no receivers. The receivers didn't succeed because of Campbell. The list goes on.

I agree that DeSean Jackson and especially Garcon had advantages (again, Garcon was a 6th rounder, not a a 2nd rounder), but I'd still rather have them on the Readskins than the 2 guys we drafted. I'd probably take Eddie Royal as well, despite the statistical decline last year.

Kelly can't stay healthy , which everybody knew before the draft, and he never did much of anything at OU to begin with. Devin Thomas had 1 good year at MSU and now seems more concerned about modeling and music videos than football. He is a huge underachiever in my mind, because I think he is the most gifted receiver from the '08 draft, but had 25 catches last year.

Desean Jackson was a difference maker all through college and has continued to be in the NFL from Day One. What will be the excuse for DT and MK if they still struggle with McNabb at QB?
I know - McNabb's suddenly gotten too old. He's lost it.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | June 30, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

2nd round picks, 2002-2008, by Skins and Chargers:

Rocky Mc, Betts, Taylor Jacobs (miss), DT11 (tbd), MK12 (tbd), Fred Davis

Vincent Jackson, Eric Weddle, Marcus McNeill, igor olshansky, Drayton Florence, Terrence Keil (miss), Toniu Fonoti (miss), Reche Caldwell (miss)

14 guys. 4 misses. 2 tbd. Which leaves 8 guys who've had solid careers, or better.

Of the guys on this list, the only strong argument for a player that is better than VJax is McNeill (only VJax and McNeill made the ProBowl).

Would I give up a 2nd rounder for VJax in his prime? Yes. He's better than you're likely to get with a 2nd round draft pick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lockerroomCANCER | June 30, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I think I've had VJax on all 3 of my FF teams over the last 2 years. Been an under the radar overachiever.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 1:24 PM

Don't get me started on Vincent Jackson ... he underachieved for me when I picked him up mid-season.

Posted by: dcsween | June 30, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

VJ may be good, but by no means is anywhere near BMarsh. Has VJ ever had 100 catches in a season? No, the most he ever had was 68 last season. BMarsh has had 100 catches three years in a row. No way does VJ deserve a contract or asking price anywhere near BMarsh.

Posted by: withoutanet | June 30, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ex-qb-cunninghams-son-drowns-in-hot-tub?GT1=39002

The 2-year-old son of former NFL star quarterback Randall Cunningham has died in what authorities on Wednesday called an apparent backyard hot tub accident.

The Clark County coroner's office identified the child as Christian Cunningham, and said the cause of death was pending.

Las Vegas police Officer Marcus Martin, a department spokesman, said the death appeared to have been an accidental drowning, but authorities were still investigating.

Cunningham, 47, is an ordained minister and pastor of a church six blocks off Las Vegas Boulevard that he runs with his wife, Felicity. Christian Cunningham was the youngest of their four children.

A message left for the couple at the church was not immediately returned. Cunningham was out of town Tuesday, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, which first reported the boy's death.

Martin said police were called late Tuesday afternoon to Cunningham's home in southeast Las Vegas after an adult at the house with several other children found the boy in the hot tub and began trying to resuscitate him.

The child was pronounced dead less than an hour later at St. Rose Dominican Hospital Siena campus in nearby Henderson, Nev.

Posted by: lockerroomCANCER | June 30, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Withthe multiple team trade it would save us face by not gettin a pick in return but a huge offensive weapon......

Remember shanny don't wanna lose. He uses the rebuilding word lightly, we knows we need bigbtime players, n now.

Look at the other nfc eat draft classes. This yr the nfcbeast got allooot better on defense.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Agreed that vjax may be one tier under BMarsh but that doesn't mean he's not 3 tiers above dt, mk n sm.

Dude would be a huge upgrade to the offense, what more could you ask for out of a 2nd round pick??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If Bruce could somehow pull off trading Albert for Jackson and a 3rd or 4th, Pull the trigger!If they want more, than throw in Bobby Wade!

Posted by: Toochilled | June 30, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes.. I'm sure the right thing to do is to trade for VJ.
After all, we can see that this guy is different, right? I mean, all those other guys who were low-character and were after a big payday (and after they get it they stop putting in effort) were just bad luck. Is there anything more obvious that we have learned in Washington thus far? How many more times are we going to be so f'ckng naive?
The likelihood of one of the these young pro jocks, who is holding out for money, actually being the Peyton Manning type-of-athlete, who is worth that pay, is minimal. Why should we take the choice with the greatest risk failure and the highest investment of resources? Save our picks and draft the right guy; this is when we have leverage over them and they can't "pull a Haynesworth" by using our monetary commitment to them to choke the life out of the team.
Think about this, if this year wasn't an uncapped year where would the 'skins be right now???...f'cked! We were saved by dumb luck, don't give this VJ a-hole the chance to be the next AH.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me started on Vincent Jackson ... he underachieved for me when I picked him up mid-season.

Posted by: dcsween

didn't you trade him to me?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I agree that VJ may be worth one 2nd round pick, but not if he is going to be suspended or demand a contract that is bigger than BMarsh's, as the article alludes to.

Posted by: withoutanet | June 30, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

He's worth a 2012 3rd rounder....He has a drinking problem that will become worst once he hits these clubs in the DC area....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2010 11:51 AM

I'm sure the Mennonite enclave that is southern California is the only thing keeping him in check.

Posted by: mack1 | June 30, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

You guys are talkin about his charcter???? Don't froget SHANNY drafted MARSHALL!! I think he knows how to handle these plaeyrs ego. Heck, look at CP, even his butt is in line. No one can deny that we need the wr help.

You guys confue me, praise shanny when he brings in furrey but when we can get a real weapon you say stay away

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is building a 'win now' team. Trading for VJax is a 'win now' deal.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I think it's pretty obvious the Shanahan took a look at Thomas and Kelly and didn't like what he saw. Jackson is an option at the right price with plenty of behavior clauses built in in case he flips out like Fat Albert. Jackson had a good season last year, but nothing spectacular. He seem to think he is a top grade receiver, but Norv doesn't think so.

Posted by: JAMNEW | June 30, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

It's only because the asking price. SD is going to want a first or two seconds. That's too high a price for a non-BMarsh WR in the NFL. VJ also wants a max-contract around what BMarsh got, which he doesn't deserve. VJ also probably will be suspended for 4 games, which opens the possibility for a 8 game or year long suspension when he f*cks up again.

BMarsh has had ego issues off the field. But on the field, he has always been a beast. He's like TO lite. It remains to be seen if he still performs now that he has the cash.

Posted by: withoutanet | June 30, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I think the receivers are going to surprise a lot of people with McNabb. And we also have the tight ends.
Considering paying huge money to another unstable character seems ridiculous at this point.

Posted by: adrian7 | June 30, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is building a 'win now' team. Trading for VJax is a 'win now' deal.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 2:04 PM
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Agreed!!!

The only thing I could see holding this back is actually signing him. As much as I want him I do agree that he's not worth more than bmarshall.

If he takes 38mill we will sign him.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

You guys are talkin about his charcter???? Don't froget SHANNY drafted MARSHALL!! \
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Yes, Shanahan DRAFTED Marshall, he didn't pay him 50 million as a free agent. Prediction: Marshall will never be worth the 2 second round picks or the 47 million dollar salary, Marshall price reflects past performance not future performance.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

We don't have much in the way of RBs, and our WRs are still a modest group. The OL has gone from awful to adequate. We've upgraded at QB and are very strong at TE ... and we've got a great HC.

If Albert come to play, we have top 5 talent on defense.

Get VJax and this team becomes a legit playoff contender.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

wwooowwww

Who was the last reciever for the skins to have 9tds???

When was the last time our wr core as a group had 9 tds???

The asking price should be lower than two 2nds. He's been on the table for months at that price n nobodys biting.

The ShanAlan era have made some great trades n I'm hoping we get this guy.

Even the haters on this move will high five themselves when we get him n he catches 10 tds

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

wwooowwww

Who was the last reciever for the skins to have 9tds???

When was the last time our wr core as a group had 9 tds???

The asking price should be lower than two 2nds. He's been on the table for months at that price n nobodys biting.

The ShanAlan era have made some great trades n I'm hoping we get this guy.

Even the haters on this move will high five themselves when we get him n he catches 10 tds

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Get VJax and this team becomes a legit playoff contender.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Rewind 15 months ago and we probably would have heard "If we had a defensive tackle like Haynesworth our D would be unstoppable...we will definitely go to the playoffs if we pick this guy up."

Result?...well..

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

We have AH we don't need anymore THUGS!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | June 30, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

They had the chance to get brandon marshall who i feel is the best in the league.

Shanahan i can't win unless Elway playing.
would love to have him.

Since there will be a lockout after this season. The skins should field what they have.

Guys in the NFL make enough money to hire a Limo there is no excuse to be caught drunk drivng if your going to drink hire a driver.

Posted by: shamken | June 30, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

By my math, VJax can make more $$ with a trade and signing for less

Path 1: Trade for him and sign
5 years, $45mil

Path 2: Stay in SD, sit out and go FA
1 year, $250k
4 years, $44mil

You can pay him $2mil less per year than he'd get via FA -- and he'd still come out ahead. Because if Smith in SD plays hardball, VJax is playing in 2010 for very little $$

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Why we don't need to waste money and draft picks on another source.......

1) upgraded Offensive line. (please note, TW is unproven at OLT, this unit will need time to jell together. And they need to stay healthy.

2) Veteran QB added. McNabb makes the whole team better, even defense. My concern, staying healthy for 16-20 games.

3) New coaches, Daddy Shanahan should get more out of all players. Sonny Shanahan should prove play calling and situations generate more offense and points. Dictate to the defense, not the other way around.

4) Coaches are on record with saying they like who they have. We can't have stars at every position. We can't get candy everytime its dangled in front of us. Vinny is gone, the sugar fix is over. Our past history has us involved with every overpriced free agent or disgruntled underachiever. Just say No, Bruce.

5) History.....can I say Albert. How about Brandon Lloyd for position purposes? Remember not re-signing Art Monk for a million and giving 1.9m for an over priced michigan return man?

Posted by: Rando | June 30, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Shanahan DRAFTED Marshall, he didn't pay him 50 million as a free agent. Prediction: Marshall will never be worth the 2 second round picks or the 47 million dollar salary, Marshall price reflects past performance not future performance.Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 2:12 PM
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I wasn't referring to the payment of marshall or the use of draft picks for trading to get jackson. I was refering to shanahan not worried about characther issues with jackson and reffering to the fact that shanny drafted marshall, who from the footage I saw did some hardcore primadona stuff, at practice.

On a side not I wonder if cleatsworth will do the same to help facilitate a trade, or will he come in n see the our d is gonna b nasty n maybe buy in???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

We have AH we don't need anymore THUGS!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | June 30, 2010 2:21 PM

What makes him a thug? Just curious.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Worried about influence on Suh, Lions lose interest in Haynesworth
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 30, 2010 2:06 PM ET
If the Redskins are going to trade disgruntled defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, the Lions -- whose head coach, Jim Schwartz, coached Haynesworth in Tennessee -- might make sense as a destination.

But the Lions apparently have no interest in acquiring Haynesworth because they don't want a veteran with a bad attitude having a negative influence on their top rookie, Ndamukong Suh.

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Lions are no longer considering a trade for Haynesworth because they've determined that Haynesworth isn't the kind of player they want around Suh.

It makes sense, and it points to the problem Mike Shanahan will face if he decides he wants to trade Haynesworth: Just because Haynesworth is a good player, that doesn't mean any of the 31 other coaches are going to want him on their teams.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

We have AH we don't need anymore THUGS!!!

Posted by: sovine08

Not sure he is a thug, just greedy, and somehow has such low regard for other people and his team that he is careless enough to get two dui's. Unless there is some extraordinary reason to believe that his character is any different than these facts indicate, why would we want him at a price of 50 million and perfectly good draft picks? Two words: Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Rewind 15 months ago and we probably would have heard "If we had a defensive tackle like Haynesworth our D would be unstoppable...we will definitely go to the playoffs if we pick this guy up."

Result?...well..

Posted by: monkeymayonaise

Actually, not so!! When we grabbed Albert, I went back and posted a cross section of the ramblings up here. And for the most part, they weren't high on the deal. Very little 'unbridled enthusiasm". Lots of negatives and even most of the optimists were pretty cautious.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

This headline ought to read "Pro vs. Cons". There's only one pro, he's a talented receiver. The cons are numerous, he's already suspended for four games, he's one more incident away from a lengthy suspension and his history suggests one more incident is inevitable. His price tag will be at least two second rounders when we've already traded away future picks. He's proven to have mental issues on the field, case in point kicking a penalty flag that was thrown for interference on the other team resulting in a personal foul against himself that killed a game tying playoff drive. We just spent two second rounder on two wide receivers two years ago that have never truly had a chance to play in a good system, with a good line, and a good QB so why make this move now before seeing what they can really do given some stability and a chance for success by having more than 2 seconds to run a route and a qb throwing to them that has a history of elevating WR's careers. The first thing you'd have to do is sign him to a huge extension when you already need to negotiate extensions with Brown, McNabb, a big contract to T. Williams, potentially have to reup CR22, Rocky Mc., and will very shortly need to replace Rabach, Daniels, and Fletcher.

IMO role with what we have, a proven Moss, talented w/ potential Thomas & Kelly, vets Galloway, Furrey, and Wade and two talented tight ends in Davis and Cooley. You get the backs involved to the tune of 400 yds receiving, Moss 900, Cooley 800, Davis 600 that's 2700 yards receiving right there, I think DT, MK, et al can handle the 800 or so yards remaining that to get the offense to the 3500 or so yards we'd all be thrilled if it produced. Find a new #1 next year and transition Moss to a solid #2/slot guy with DT and MK being productive role guys next year, but don't mortgage the future for a trouble malcontent that is already out for 25% of the season and one more blunder from missing an entire year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | June 30, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Why we don't need to waste money and draft picks on another source.......
1) upgraded Offensive line. (please note, TW is unproven at OLT, this unit will need time to jell together. And they need to stay healthy.
2) Veteran QB added. McNabb makes the whole team better, even defense. My concern, staying healthy for 16-20 games.
3) New coaches, Daddy Shanahan should get more out of all players. Sonny Shanahan should prove play calling and situations generate more offense and points. Dictate to the defense, not the other way around.
4) Coaches are on record with saying they like who they have. We can't have stars at every position. We can't get candy everytime its dangled in front of us. Vinny is gone, the sugar fix is over. Our past history has us involved with every overpriced free agent or disgruntled underachiever. Just say No, Bruce.
5) History.....can I say Albert. How about Brandon Lloyd for position purposes? Remember not re-signing Art Monk for a million and giving 1.9m for an over priced michigan return man?
Posted by: Rando | June 30, 2010 2:27 PM
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Ok see my 3 way trade. Haynesworhless to Seattle. Seattle sends the picks to SD who send us Vjax. Yes you are right, the line is upgraded, hugely id say. McNabb, another HUGE uppgrade. All three coaching positions again, HUGE upgrade. Could you imagine, all the upgrades and then throw a top 5-10 wr to the mix??? Another HUGE upgrade is what that would be. If you tell me 9tds wouldn't have gotten us more wins your on a good one. Unless shannys planning to snag a wr next yr with top two picks I think he makes this move. Word is he was heated when they missed out on drafting the man. Don't forget when mcnabb had a big wr (TO) they went to the SB, sounds inticing to me.......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1

I didn't mean you personally zz, I meant people in general. I was just demonstrating how wrong fans, players, coaches, gm's, can be when we let ourselves get carried away. AH and VJ have all the same apparent problems and motivations and we literally cannot afford another 32-million-for-12-half-azz-games investment.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me started on Vincent Jackson ... he underachieved for me when I picked him up mid-season.

Posted by: dcsween

didn't you trade him to me?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 1:58 PM

Actually, that's right ... that's how it happened. I heart Vince Jackson. We need to get him back on our team (and I mean the royal our) right now!

Posted by: dcsween | June 30, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2 | June 30, 2010 2:35 PM


Don't agree, but that's the best argument I've heard so far against the trade.

Your comment on the big $$ signings we'll need to do in the near future are important, since teams can't afford 5 guys each making $10million.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Not saying in any way shape or form but living in So Cal I must say sadly I've heard of people with 2 DUIs all day out here. There like tribal tattos or something, people seem to want one until they get one n realize how uncool it is, way way too late.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, sounds like more cons than pros ... actually, that also would describe the Bengals.

Posted by: dcsween | June 30, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hello people, will you ever wake up to what happens with these guys who are free agents or disgruntled...their agents use us to make a market for their players. Whenever a free agent hits the market ,especially in past years, they always say the redskins are interested to drum up business...We have had to publicly say no three different times(years) denying we are interested in TO. Thats all this is too...the agent is using the team and media to drum up business...If Dannyboy is still calling the shots with his butt buddy vinny, we would have already traded a 1 or two 2's and signed him to a stupid contract extention because thats all that little weasel knows is to throw good money after bad...New regime in town , believe only what you see, not what you hear or read....ALL HAIL !!!...can't wait unti ltraining camp starts!!

Posted by: klangley69 | June 30, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should just scout the local prisons for convicts that play football...cos it feels like that's what we're doing without the prison bars!

Posted by: bgmathis | June 30, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

As between Bruce Allen and A.J. Smith re: Haynesworth and Floyd, I think converstation starts "I'll trade you straight up ... our expensive, talented baggage for your expensive, talented baggage." I don't know which GM speaks first or whether it makes a difference.

Posted by: dcsween | June 30, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Lions are no longer considering a trade for Haynesworth because they've determined that Haynesworth isn't the kind of player they want around Suh.
Posted by TWISI

Thanks TWISI.
Godamitt Haynesworth s'cks. If what JLA says is true, he really is an anti-player: Just having him sucks productivity from others and he won't even show up to play ball.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Allen: But Jackson is suspended and can't play for four games?!?!?!

Smith: Hayneworth hates the 3-4 ... that's why its straight up.

[Or switch that sequence ... either way, its not-lose-not-lose.]

Posted by: dcsween | June 30, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing in VJ's record to date that would indicate he's worth anywhere near the money he's asking for -- even in Washington.

If VJ is really keen to earn a best in league money, he should start playing at that level -- and prove he can keep playing at that level.

Can't do that if you refuse to get out on the field and play, while also refusing to live to the deals you've already made.

Besides, we already have enough of that sort of disuptive influence on our team.

Redskins should run, not walk, but run... away from this pretentious clown.

Posted by: Vic1 | June 30, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

All this chatter about trading for a disgruntled, tall, WR with some off-the-field issues. Why not just pick up TO off the streets? You won't have to give up any draft picks/players to get him, and I'm sure he'll come cheap at this point.

Oh, right...these are the Redskins I'm talking about. Nevermind.

Posted by: arizona4 | June 30, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I think they should go after Jackson if its going to be reasonable. They don't have a big receiver who has produced. Each year as a starter, Jackson's numbers have improved.

Posted by: linroy62 | June 30, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I kno normally I would think this is a skins want him bump the price up kinda thing except for the reports of how shanny reallly wanted him in the draft.

Look at our acquisitions.

Carriker - a haslett first rnd pick

Mcnabb- poppa shannys dream franchise qb

Brown - another pick oh haslett

Everyones got there new toy except one , baby shanny.

He needs a weapon to groom, look what he did with Andre Johnson n Matt firkin schuaby.

Mcnabb to Jackson deep would be a welcome change IMO compared to anything that even resembles what zorn put together

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is building a 'win now' team. Trading for VJax is a 'win now' deal.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with having a "win now" mentality ...what's the problem with that? they have also been looking at the future as well with not breaking the bank...hard to build for the future too much in your first season without really knowing the personnel yet....I think they will build for future when the time comes in the next few seasons....win now and build for later...can't go wrong

Posted by: leevi98 | June 30, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

What makes him a thug? Just curious.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Well for starters he is the Brian Epstein of Bones Thugs and Harmony.

Need I say more?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Just having him sucks productivity from others and he won't even show up to play ball.


Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a sponge to me. How about this nickname: Sponge Al, Can't fit into Pants!

Posted by: monk811 | June 30, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

let's iron a few things out i Understand that this league is about what have you done for me lately, but why not give Kelly and Thomas the to mature and become productive recievers for this team instead of trading for Vince Jackson who's price is gonna be worth at least 2 second rounders and is he worth more money than say Brandon Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald I seriously doubt it.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | June 30, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

We have AH we don't need anymore THUGS!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | June 30, 2010 2:21 PM

What makes him a thug? Just curious.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 2:29 PM

Well, the only thuggish behavior I can think of is robbing the Redskins. Only, he didn't wear a mask or hold a gun in that sideways, gangsta style.

He also cleat-stomped a helmet-less Dallas Cowgirl who was already on the ground.

Okay, that might actually be his only redeeming quality.

At least when a player is seen as a thug, as in the case of Shawn Taylor early in his career (RIP)and he was a gamer, my dad would say proudly...."He might be a thug...but he's OUR thug!"

I bet Haynes-Girth drives his Rolls Royce with a 'gangsta-lean' as he pulls into a Wendy's drive-thru.

What a doosh.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | June 30, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

brandon_in_cali.....

I know we're losing our butt on Haynesworth one way or the other.....

I'm not sold on your three way trade being very fair to us. Maybe it is....just not sure.

IMHO, Albert should play out his redskin contract on the bench. Nothing hurts a player worse than riding the pine. Just ask Lavar Arrington.

I loved Lavar, he could have been great for us....things didn't pan out. IMO, our coaches were stubborn on using their system rather than building one around a talent like Lavar. You see, Lavar was upstanding, a player's player - you make that happen for him. Haynesworth and Jackson....not the same.

Posted by: Rando | June 30, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

let's iron a few things out i Understand that this league is about what have you done for me lately, but why not give Kelly and Thomas the to mature and become productive recievers for this team instead of trading for Vince Jackson who's price is gonna be worth at least 2 second rounders and is he worth more money than say Brandon Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald I seriously doubt it.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | June 30, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Most likely because they have not performed well with the last staff and not doing very well with this staff in OTAs...I keep hearing that they are just not very good. I think if Shanny thinks they can't cut it...then they can't cut it. I hope they do play well...but i have huge doubts considering who drafted them....and I also remember on draft day how many people said negatives about both of them...Eagles were so happy and most likely exhaled after seeing that those picks allowed jackson to drop to them who they had rated way higher than both of them.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 30, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The only thing you can build around Haynesworth is a bbq grill.

Posted by: bgmathis | June 30, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bgmathis | June 30, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

And stripper poles apparently. Just saying.......

Posted by: monk811 | June 30, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I loved Lavar, he could have been great for us....things didn't pan out. IMO, our coaches were stubborn on using their system rather than building one around a talent like Lavar. You see, Lavar was upstanding, a player's player - you make that happen for him. Haynesworth and Jackson....not the same.

Posted by: Rando | June 30, 2010 3:11 PM

Arrington was not the kind of player you could build a team around because he isn't capable of playing within a set system.

I remember the question being asked to JoePa relative to Arrington's lack of dominance as compared to his PSU days. JoePa responded something to the effect of, "We never put Arrington into a system. We just said, LaVar, go get the ball or the QB."

Oh yeah, one last integral point. LaVar Arrington is about as intelligent as a toe nail. That's well documented. Besides, during his time here, the 'Skins' D-Coordinators included Marvin Lewes and Gregg Williams - BOTH considered among the BEST at what they did.......

.....neither one thought LaVar was worth a crap!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | June 30, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Rando...

I agree with u about haynesworth bringing us back little value. The benefit to us is we get VJ n lose haynesworthless and keep our draft pick. I think our d is better with him, but our locker room is better without him. Gotta remember shanny had high interest in Jackson before, and with our current group not scarring anybody Jackson will create opportunities for others.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"There's nothing in VJ's record to date that would indicate he's worth anywhere near the money he's asking for -- even in Washington."

Weeellll, I'm not sure that I totally agree with this. VJax says that he wants "Brandon Marshall money," and if you compare the stats of the two, VJax's are equal to, or better than, Marshall's in two important categories: TDs and yards-per-reception. I wouldn't pay VJax Marshall-type money; he smokes VJax in total receptions and total yards, and, stats aside, I just think Marshall is the superior receiver. But the comparison isn't totally out of left field.

"If VJ is really keen to earn a best in league money, he should start playing at that level -- and prove he can keep playing at that level.

Can't do that if you refuse to get out on the field and play, while also refusing to live to the deals you've already made."

VJax is a restricted free agent, so he has played out his contract and lived up to the deal he signed. Deluded as he may be, he's under no obligation to agree to the valuation that the Chargers have placed on his services.


Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 30, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is building a 'win now' team. Trading for VJax is a 'win now' deal.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with having a "win now" mentality ...what's the problem with that?

Posted by: leevi98

Was merely making an observation, and noting that a trade for VJax is consistent with the program.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

6'5 230 WR bring that brother to DC quick and may as well get TO for real. Once we get Westbrook we will be set. No joke...this is no sarcasm either. Bring all the players to DC. Once we go 11-5, 12-4, McNabb wins the Superbowl that was elusive in Philly everyone will be singing a different song. 6'5 230 with Cooley and Davis and Westbrook with McNabb behind center......Go Skins Any of you remember when Charlie Harraway rushed for 100+ against Dallas.....I'm a prognosticator. Anyone remember Larry Brown.....

Posted by: washdc11 | June 30, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The Jackson File, '09 season:

68 catches 1,167 yards 17.2 avg. 55 long 9 touchdowns

Of those numbers, the 17.2 yards per catch average stands out as it the league's second best after DeSean Jackson.

Donovan McNabb is an excellent deep ball thrower and the addition of V Jackson to Washington's offense would give it the field stretching Andre Johnson-type presence that would make safeties play deep and open up the entire field.

The question, then is price: if the chargers won't take a player, is trading away a high draft pick to get Jackson the smart thing?

I'd say 'No'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Deluded as he may be, he's under no obligation to agree to the valuation that the Chargers have placed on his services."

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True dat. Especially if you divide the $3.27 million he was offered to participate in the 14 or less regular games he will be allowed to play after his DUI has been adjudicated... Dude would only be making a measly $233,400 or so per game. And figuring he normally averages around 5 catches or so a game... that's roughly $47,000 per catch... which is barely worth the effort, hey?

In fact, it seems he's under no obligation to play at all this season, which is fine by me...

Likewise, no one is obligated to sign him for next season and beyond... especially when you figure there may not even be a next season, given the real possibility of a walkout or lock out.

Just "bidness"... indeed!

Posted by: Vic1 | June 30, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The real issue is coming down to this. Will VJax play 2010 for little money or big money?

$100k per game for 6 games ... or ... $500k per game for 16.

A difference of nearly $8million. I can see why VJax wants out.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Monkeymayonaise Manifesto on team strategic management(it's a slow day):

You can't pay someone for their potential or past performance; future performance is what is meaningful. Throw an incentive contract their direction and see what they do. If you get a reaction like, "We aren't going to risk our client's compensation based on whether you decide to use him correctly or not."
This is a great indication that he doesn't really want to play football for you (or perhaps anyone else).
Phil Jackson got the best out of Dennis Rodman, but even Jackson isn't capable of maximizing any player's talent. Rodman's interests, personally and professionally, could be reasonably accommodated and Jackson was just the person smart enough to tell the difference between someone like Rodman and someone like Lawrence Phillips, who was a f'cked-up woman-hating psycho. Rodman's issues were with authority pertained to his desire to express himself and create his unique (and marketable) public image. He really had no problem with playing basketball competatively, thus Rodman's personal interests and the team's business interests could be met if Jackson was just tactful with Rodman. We all know this worked marvelously and helped the Bulls, Jackson, and Rodman.
This rationale is different with players like Haynesworth, who have unilaterally selfish interests which cannot be accommodated. A situation like the one we have with Haynesworth always, in the long-run, is the inevitable consequence of flawed management planning and philosophy. Even if you were to accept that Cerrato was picking-up big names for reasons other than selfish ones (ie he wasn't just trying to convince the boss that everything will be fine and that we are just one Haynesworth away from a championship) to keep your job safe for a little longer, then at best it the philosophy was short-sighted in that looked at money+talent=performance instead of looking at personally what the player and his agent really wanted. At worst, the Snyderatto era was simply a hype machine to make the team profitable.
As a matter of effective strategic management, it is better to let some talented free agents go unsigned, and concentrate on a structured and paced rebuilding effort as the focus of your long-term recovery plan. Take advantage of opportunities but stay mindful of the volatility involved in assuming too much risk, especially in the form of investing heavily in a single player, as you can lose control of the future of your organization. Every acquisition is a risk in which you are assuming that having the player you just signed will outweigh the time-discounted potential benefit of whatever you sacrificed down the road.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Shanny draft Eddie Royal the same year that the Skins drafted Thomas and Kelly? He knows that Thomas and Kelly are scrubs. He's not going to handicap his son with the sorry bunch of current wr's on the roster. He'll either trade for a bona fide wr or sign T.O.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 30, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Bruce Allen has achieved the perfect balance of changing the M.O. of constantly trading away future picks, but also making us competitive for this upcoming season. I think chasing Jackson would disrupt that balance. I'm hoping 2011 is the last year we won't have our full slate of picks (or close to it). We are thin at receiver, but I think we should bit the bullet for this season. Next year, we will have far fewer areas that are in desperate need of an upgrade than this year.

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 30, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Shanny draft Eddie Royal the same year that the Skins drafted Thomas and Kelly? He knows that Thomas and Kelly are scrubs.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 30, 2010 3:58 PM

I think Thomas was off the board when he selected Royal so....maybe, maybe not. He did choose Royal over Kelly. (smartly)

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 30, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Pass on Vincent Jackson and draft Julio Jones in next year's draft.

Posted by: hrt22 | June 30, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Next year, we will have far fewer areas that are in desperate need of an upgrade than this year.

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 30, 2010 4:15 PM

2011 Needs

MLB, WR, RB, C, NT, FS, 3-4 DE, QB to name a few.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 30, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

monkeymayonaise

After reading your mgmt assessment, have to disagree on one point. Its not clear what Albert's interests are now. He has been motivated before, can he be again? Not sure Shanahan is off the hook here, though Albert is an absolute jerk.

The part about Rodman and the part about Albert being a risk. Dead on. My take original on Albert -- and DHall -- was that it was too many eggs in too few baskets. Not a good risk/reward. Looking back, seems a good portion of the posters up here had similar feelings about Albert's signing.

I've always had a special spot for guys who play much bigger in the year before they become a FA. I want these guys on someone else's team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Pass on Vincent Jackson and draft Julio Jones in next year's draft.

Posted by: hrt22 | June 30, 2010 4:21 PM

Sounds like you're predicting a 6-10 season and have us taking JJ with a our top 10 pick..

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 30, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me how the wr core didnt thrive because of Campbell. Are wr core is medicore at best. u cant tell me thomas kelly moss and randle el are top 15 wr core in the nfl. the rookies where inconsistent and showed up in spurts. Oline gave no time to give Campbell the proper time. are oline was so bad Zorn had no confidence and had to change the scheme to more 3 step drops and slants quick outs. Campbell and the skins easily could have had 6 to 7 wins with an average team around. They where not a good enough all around. Campbell did the best he could with a crap wr core with no size

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | June 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Listen up. Even if we don't get jackson WR is still a big need for us. How many "holes" do u expect to fill with a draft pick??

If we admit we need a wr why not get this one now. Have a season to develop with mcnabb n still be better off. If shanny uses a draft pick he's sayin that pick is better than jackson

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will have 15 wide receivers on the roster

Posted by: nativedc | June 30, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

brandon_

Remember the last time we ignored the red flags and paid a ton of money for a guy.

Only this time we would be giving up a 1st or 2nd and then paying bank for a guy that is possibly going to be suspended for the 1st 4 games and is one more DWI from a year long suspension. No thanks on Vincent "Barney Gumble" Jackson..

Barney: So, I'm a tanked-up loser? Is that how you see me?

Moe: Oh, sounds like a certain loser could use some tanking up. [starts pouring Barney a glass of beer when Barney abruptly gets up] Hey, hey, where you goin'?

Barney: I'll show you! I'm going to take these helicopter lessons.

Homer: Wait a minute, Barney. You've got to be sober to fly. I mean, it's not like driving a CAR.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 30, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Listen up. Even if we don't get jackson WR is still a big need for us. How many "holes" do u expect to fill with a draft pick??

If we admit we need a wr why not get this one now. Have a season to develop with mcnabb n still be better off. If shanny uses a draft pick he's sayin that pick is better than jackson

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse
Your whole point is based on the statement "If we admit we need a wr". But that is not known. Perhaps Shanny thinks he can do well with DT and MK, and that we need 1st and 2nd rd picks next year for other positions.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Didn't Shanny draft Eddie Royal the same year that the Skins drafted Thomas and Kelly? He knows that Thomas and Kelly are scrubs."


Devin Thomas actually looks like he might be a player.

In fact, it would not surprise if the team went went a rotation of:

Moss

Thomas

Furrey

Austin

Armstrong

The real question for the redskin offense is, is there a receiver capable of replacing the 50 catches ARE made last year?

Devin Thomas might be that guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

brandon_

Remember the last time we ignored the red flags and paid a ton of money for a guy.

Only this time we would be giving up a 1st or 2nd and then paying bank for a guy that is possibly going to be suspended for the 1st 4 games and is one more DWI from a year long suspension. No thanks on Vincent "Barney Gumble" Jackson..

Barney: So, I'm a tanked-up loser? Is that how you see me?

Moe: Oh, sounds like a certain loser could use some tanking up. [starts pouring Barney a glass of beer when Barney abruptly gets up] Hey, hey, where you goin'?

Barney: I'll show you! I'm going to take these helicopter lessons.

Homer: Wait a minute, Barney. You've got to be sober to fly. I mean, it's not like driving a CAR.

Posted by: Diesel44 |

AHAHHAHAH, Vincent "Barney Gumble" Jackson!
The only thing worse than having one money pit non-performer on the roster is having two; we can't ignore the warning signs on this one...we simply can't afford to after Haynesworth.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Can we please have an article without mentioning Fat Albert. Screw him!

Posted by: KDSmallJr | June 30, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan & Co: PLEEEEEASE get V-Jax! It will help the offense. Trade a 2nd round pick plus Haynesworth, and make Haynesworth mad, since he does not want to go to the chargers. We then will be all set to compete offensively against the likes of the Saints!!!!

Posted by: Yo_Mo | June 30, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

If the Bolts would take Fat Albert straight up for Jackson, sure — and I don't care if Haynesworth would be happy with San Diego's version of the 3-4 or not. He'd be their problem then.

Even then, they should be required to throw in a draft pick so we can recoup some of what was paid for McNabb and/or Brown.

A 6-5 WR who can run, especially when you have nothing of value after Moss and Thomas (Kelly is soft and injury-prone, and his talent is vastly overrated), but this team is not close enough to contention to merit this kind of trade.

Then again, it also didn't make any sense to trade for a soon-to-be-34-year-old quarterback, but that's a different argument altogether.

Assuming the Chargers won't accept Fat Albert for Jackson and a pick, then no to the trade.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | June 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

If I were a Skins fan I would not want this guy. For one he is not even close to Brandon Marshall type of money in value. Dont get me wrong, he is good but not elite. Not to mention he was seen pounding drinks in Pacific Beach (San Diego) the night before the Jets-Chargers playoff game.

Posted by: hcwarden | June 30, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

According to the Chicago Tribune, the Bears have no plans to pursue a trade for Vincent Jackson "at this time."

The draft pick compensation and mega-contract it would take to acquire V-Jax are the biggest deterrents for Chicago, unsurprisingly. Jackson is believed to desire a contract worth as much, if not more, than the four-year, $47.5M extension Miami gave Brandon Marshall. Bolts GM A.J. Smith is expected to ask for at least two second-round picks in return. New OC Mike Martz has also "guaranteed" his receivers would be the Bears' greatest strength.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 30, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

You bloggers treat player evaluation the same way a frat boy behaves at a party on campus. Wanna have sex? no? screw you B!t@h!! Hey, how you doin? Did i read one blog saying if Kelly does not produce after one game to cut him? Some of you would make lousy coaches and GM's because you would cut a player every week after each game. No one would want to play for you.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

He is an A-hole and has just as much ego and attitude as Phillip Rivers, they can keep'm!

Posted by: EveryHomeGameSince8

Last time I checked both guys were in the playoffs the last couple of years. I thought the knock on Jason Campbell is he did not have enough attitude. Now you are complaining that Rivers has too much spunk. Bloggers just love to b!t@h and moan about something.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

He's worth a 2012 3rd rounder....He has a drinking problem that will become worst once he hits these clubs in the DC area....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2010 11:51 AM

Show me a bar at happy hour and I will show you someone with a drinking problem.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember who was in here being all righteous and supporting M. Vick the other the day of how Vick claimed he had left the club etc etc....

Well as suspected and appeared from the get go...the video does not lie but Vick sure does....video shows...Vick is still a liar!


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5342532

Posted by: leevi98 |


So you dont have anything better to do with your life than go on a blog to trash Michael Vick? Wow, the dude left the club not long after the incident happened. So what. Tell me, how does that affect your life? Does it pay your bills, send kids to college or are you just mad because Vick has the life you wish you had? I bet you were praying that he had something to do with the incident so you can trash him to feel better about your loser life. Like most bloggers you are painfully jealous of african american millionaire athletes and wish for their demise. How come they get millions a year for playing with a ball and you have to drag your but to work every day for a few thousand a year? Maybe you should have practiced like they did. Then you would have been like them instead of trashing them on a web blog. Join the frey of haters. Why do I know I am right about you? I never see people like you blogging about Charlie Sheen every time he slaps one of his girlfriends around and gets in trouble for it. How about Tommy Lee? No one ranting on blogs about him beating up pamela anderson on the regular, and putting her sexual business out on you tube. But if Vick gets a citation for peeing in the alley a loser like you is all over it.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

...Some of you would make lousy coaches and GM's because you would cut a player every week after each game. No one would want to play for you.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 5:24 PM

It's the result of over 10 years of Snyderatto conditioning. Our fellow Skins fans are brainwashed into thinking building a team is just like building a fantasy football team.

But never underestimate NFL players... wave a big enough paycheck in front of them and they'll still sign on, even if they quickly become counterproductive liabilities.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 30, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

..Some of you would make lousy coaches and GM's because you would cut a player every week after each game. No one would want to play for you.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 5:24 PM

It's the result of over 10 years of Snyderatto conditioning. Our fellow Skins fans are brainwashed into thinking building a team is just like building a fantasy football team.

But never underestimate NFL players... wave a big enough paycheck in front of them and they'll still sign on, even if they quickly become counterproductive liabilities.

Posted by: Alan4 |

I do understand that Snyderball has us all a little jaded at this point. But to his credit he fired who he needed to fire and hired who he needed to hire and got the F out the way. Took him ten years but I think he realizes he is no better at picking NFL personnel than we are. But when you are a young millionaire your ego tells you you are capable of doing everything.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse


Shanahan is building a 'win now' team. Trading for VJax is a 'win now' deal.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with having a "win now" mentality ...

Posted by: leevi98 | June 30, 2010 3:06 PM

I'm all about winning Week One ... then we can reconsider where we go from there.

Posted by: dcsween | June 30, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

ged, you're more optimistic than me. I need to see it over time.

I'm not saying Snyder has taken his hands off the process until a full season is played.

Snyder has hired 3 outstanding NFL coaches (Marty, Gibbs, and Shanahan) and 1 outstanding college coach (Spurrier). Apart from Zorn, every one of his coaching hires came here bona fide winners based on their bodies of work... and he briefly stepped aside for every one of them.

I'm not convinced on Snyder until he can keep his hands off for more than a year.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 30, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh no. Dear God, no.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 30, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I get the "wait and develope" our existing wr's approach but I doubt that McNabb (who is on a 1 year contract) wants to wait until next year to start developing a rookie WR for the Redskins. Shanny and McNabb are fast approching the end of their careers. They want to win now. Get McNabb a legit wr and he might stay in D.C. for awhile.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 30, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked both guys were in the playoffs the last couple of years. I thought the knock on Jason Campbell is he did not have enough attitude. Now you are complaining that Rivers has too much spunk. Bloggers just love to b!t@h and moan about something.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse


Last time I checked people with character problems mess up locker rooms, I could careless if they were in the playoffs. Second Jason Champbell is and always will be a bum; I woulda slit my wrist having to watch that guy QB the skins again. Don't ever try to link me to something like him not having attitude, putting words in my mouth. He couldn't hit a reciever in stride for years he was a BUM! Bottomline 17 o'coordinators or 1 you should having timing on slants and veritcles with people like moss after 5 years and knowing how they run. And nobody was "B!t@h'n" about nothing it's sad you gotta try to be a Internet tough guy

Posted by: EveryHomeGameSince87 | June 30, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4
Snyder has hired 3 outstanding NFL coaches (Marty, Gibbs, and Shanahan) and 1 outstanding college coach (Spurrier). Apart from Zorn, every one of his coaching hires came here bona fide winners based on their bodies of work... and he briefly stepped aside for every one of them.

I'm not convinced on Snyder until he can keep his hands off for more than a year.

Oh my heavens!

Снайдер бойкот

Posted by: hessone | June 30, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"Should the Redskins try to acquire the disgruntled Charger?" --RI

Never give a booze hound more money, he'll only go spend it on better hootch, stuff that'll go down more easily.

How's this for an idea, only pursue "gruntled" players, instead of remaining the Clubhouse for every misfit, contract-whiner and emntal midget in the league?

A smart good player beats a dumb great one time and time again.

Posted by: TheCork | June 30, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Vincent Jackson compares himself to Brandon Marshall for obvious reasons (cause Marshall got paid) but his game more resembles Rod Smith's (who did pretty well in Shanny's offense). He'll be like O.J. Atogwe (sp?) and come to his senses when he realizes that no one is ever gonna pay him $50+ million. If he comes to that understanding anytime soon he'll be playing for Shanny next year. If not, bring on T.O.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 30, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

How's this for an idea, only pursue "gruntled" players, instead of remaining the Clubhouse for every misfit, contract-whiner and emntal midget in the league?

Posted by: TheCork | June 30, 2010 6:42 PM !

A most excellent suggestion, sir. And how about this: let's pursue only gruntled posters on RI instead of attracting every blog misfit, hate-monger, troll, and mental midget in cyberspace?

Posted by: greenback | June 30, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Disgruntled players are almost never good for a "team". Let someone else take on his petulance and ego.

And his problems...

Posted by: JPMcC | June 30, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

If they do end up trading for Jackson, you know DT is gonna be part of it. I'd hate to see him go, personally.

Posted by: Salinas1 | June 30, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

the list of the once upon a time disgruntled (ungruntled?) includes Magic Johnson and emmitt smiff.

I don't hold disgruntlement against a player, at least until I understand the issue.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh my heavens!

Снайдер бойкот

Posted by: hessone | June 30, 2010 6:29 PM


I knew you were a Communist bastard...

To the football point: bear in mind, this hire is different from the others...Marty came here for the money (non-debatable since he said on ESPN mere months before that he could NEVER work for Snyder), Spurrier is an idiot who likes going thru life on cruise control, and Gibbs was so far removed from the game (and past his prime, for that matter) that he just wasn't the same caliber coach. Shanahan only took a year to recharge his batteries, get a bird's eye view of what everyone else in the NFL is doing, and is coming into this new gig with a fresh start and a renewed focus. Completely different scenario.

It's fair to question if Snyder's changed this early in the process...I get that. But saying the Shanahan hire is "same 'ol, same 'ol" is just plain wrong.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

i'd prefer we allow the guys already here to keep or lose their position on the field this summer.

Posted by: dcjazzman | June 30, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

• Speculation is growing in San Francisco that OLB Travis LaBoy, a free agent who signed a one-year contract with the Niners for $1.6 million, could find it very difficult to make the final roster. Same goes for veteran reserve OL Barry Sims, who we hear could get beaten out for a back-end roster spot by the younger, more versatile Alex Boone.

___________________________________________

If Barry Simms loses this battle with Boone, he should be released early in camp. The Redskins wanted Simms earlier in the offseason, he could be a veteran swing OL for a season or two while Capers develops.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse


@ brownwood26

I knew you were a Communist bastard...

Not quite. I respect your comment brown, but I've been set up only to get knock down to many times, as all Redskins fans well know. I'll take my time and let you ride the next wave with gusto. If you know who can keep his freakin nose out of the football operations, then yes, we might see a change of fortune.

Habt eine gute Nacht Brown

Posted by: hessone | June 30, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Its obvious that Shanny doesn't think we have a enough talent at wideout. If he did we wouldn't have galloway, wade or furrey on the roster.

The point I understand is the haynesworth burn in the past.

I'm sure we all agree, even with the warning signs of Vjax, nobody could ever screw a team over worse than Cleatsworthless

He's a big play reciever that the skins haven't had that I can remember

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

these are good rumors for a slow time of year... need something to fill the void of drama.

not sure what to make of it though. wouldn't be surprised either way, but the potential price seems too high... in the meantime, frisbee and river fun in Hells Canyon await.

cheers and enjoy all.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 30, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Did some checking. Seems that Moss' contract automatically voids after the 2010 which would make him a FA. If I am mistaken, please let me know. If that's the case, it's even more important that Thomas and Kelly take a step up this year.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Dang!! You guys r saying he's gonna pull a haynesworth......

Dudes not even on our team yet n he's been to more practices that haynesworth. I don't see them as even remotely close to the same type of person.

Making poor decisions isn't the same as neglicting your personal and financial commitments.

Ya what jackson did was wrong legally all the same, haynesworth is just wrong morally. His word don't mean diddly squat.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

river fun in Hells Canyon await.

cheers and enjoy all.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

enjoy moo!!

As you know, I'm a big fan of river fun. Haven't made it to Hells Canyon, but I did spend about 5 days on the River of No Return, not too far from there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Ya what jackson did was wrong legally all the same, haynesworth is just wrong morally. His word don't mean diddly squat.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 8:50 PM

DUI pretty much sucks from an ethical perspective as well... risk assessment in day-to-day life suggests that you should worry more about drunk @ssholes behind the wheel than whether AH is a greedy lout... the latter isn't going to kill you, although I wouldn't be willing to defend either one of these characters on either point... and AH seems to have his own issues with vehicular competence and responsibility.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 30, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't see VJax getting a big upfront. Too much risk if he DUIs again. Don't think any owner is going to risk paying out a big chunk of $$ upfront to a guy who could get a lengthy suspension. VJax may get a big contract, but he's not getting huge guarantees.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

As you know, I'm a big fan of river fun. Haven't made it to Hells Canyon, but I did spend about 5 days on the River of No Return, not too far from there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 9:02 PM

you made it back?

Salmon River is an unbounded expanse of aquatic joy in wilderness desert canyons, with access to hot springs and alpine peaks in close proximity.

football season is slow, but life flows on.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 30, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Hip Hip Hooray for Elin!!!

If michael vick were half the QB Tim Tebow is, he wouldn't be in trouble so much

Posted by: MimiAnsari | June 30, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

• Speculation is growing in San Francisco that OLB Travis LaBoy, a free agent who signed a one-year contract with the Niners for $1.6 million, could find it very difficult to make the final roster. Same goes for veteran reserve OL Barry Sims, who we hear could get beaten out for a back-end roster spot by the younger, more versatile Alex Boone.

___________________________________________

If Barry Simms loses this battle with Boone, he should be released early in camp. The Redskins wanted Simms earlier in the offseason, he could be a veteran swing OL for a season or two while Capers develops.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 8:11 PM |


We should have grabbed Alex Boone in November when he was just sitting there on San Fran's practice squad and we were desperate for some depth at RT. No compensation required - just claim him and he's yours.

Posted by: edvar | June 30, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"If michael vick were half the QB Tim Tebow is, he wouldn't be in trouble so much..."


Vick v. Tebow?

A pro bowler v. a holy roller.

A fallen falcon v. an aggrandized gator.

Let's kill the hysterics: Tebow hasn't even been in an NFL game yet, so how does Vick have to be half player of someone who hasn't played?

Tebow has to have K Orton and B Quinn to fail before he'll get a chance to lead the broncos, while Mick Vick's chops might be back after a full off season.

Tebow's also pretty much a lock to be on an NFL roster for more than a few years as even if he can't play, he'll be some team's solid citizen back up quarterback.

Both Tebow and Vick have 2 things in common: they sell/have sold jerseys and are complete mysteries as quarterbacks.

Each gets to be the guy on with the clipboard the drunken yahoos in the stands will want under center should the starting q-back fail.

I'm not a Vick fan, but seeing how the skins have to contend with him twice a year now, I'll hold his game in respect.

And as for Tebow?: he has to prove he even has NFL game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

We should have grabbed Alex Boone in November when he was just sitting there on San Fran's practice squad and we were desperate for some depth at RT. No compensation required - just claim him and he's yours.

Posted by: edvar | June 30, 2010 9:36 PM |

I was with you on that one edvar. Howevr, not sure if Boone is the type of athlete Shanny needs.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"We should have grabbed Alex Boone in November when he was just sitting there on San Fran's practice squad and we were desperate for some depth at RT."


I like how we've made out.

And next year, we must add a left guard and center.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

We should have grabbed Alex Boone in November when he was just sitting there on San Fran's practice squad and we were desperate for some depth at RT. No compensation required - just claim him and he's yours.

Posted by: edvar | June 30, 2010 9:36 PM |

I was with you on that one edvar. Howevr, not sure if Boone is the type of athlete Shanny needs.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2010 9:43 PM |


A three year starting LT from Ohio State is probably a better prospect than some guy from the local college down the road like Heyer. Certainly worth a look for FREE.

Posted by: edvar | June 30, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Can we please get the pic of Ray Lewis off the REDSKINS home page????

Posted by: mcludka | June 30, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

"the latter isn't going to kill you"

If AH falls on someone, the chances of survival are slim...

Posted by: bgmathis | June 30, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Look, we have made enough deals, brought in enough veterans.
We will be improved from last seasons 4 wins.

But don't give away the future....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | June 30, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

If AH falls on someone, the chances of survival are slim...

Posted by: bgmathis | June 30, 2010 10:16 PM |

And this, of course, is the only way Albert Haynesworth and the word "thin" are used in the same sentence.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 30, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

uh...slim

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 30, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

We should definitely get Vincent Jackson, pay him a record setting contract, and then switch to a run only offense.

hi-ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 30, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Just say no. We already have a bunch of head cases on the team. Why add another?

Posted by: RojoJohnson | June 30, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Who knows if shanny liked him before the interest may still be there....
Also gotta like the fact that he's in az working out with mcnabb lol

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Vincent would be perfect for this team, but the amount of money he wants is ridiculous. If we can get him for well under B Marshall's deal, then I would be willing to part with even a number 1 pick. If not, we should have just gone for Marshall who is better. Jackson is a top 15 WR at least, and we could really use him at the right price.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | July 1, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

"A three year starting LT from Ohio State is probably a better prospect than some guy from the local college down the road like Heyer. Certainly worth a look for FREE.
Posted by: edvar"

Not necessarily. There's a reason he was on the practice squad despite being, as you note, a three year starter at OSU.

Same reason that Singletary was so desperate to get back his veteran linemen from last year's leaky o-line.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"Last time I checked people with character problems mess up locker rooms, I could careless if they were in the playoffs. Second Jason Champbell is and always will be a bum; I woulda slit my wrist having to watch that guy QB the skins again. Don't ever try to link me to something like him not having attitude, putting words in my mouth. He couldn't hit a reciever in stride for years he was a BUM! Bottomline 17 o'coordinators or 1 you should having timing on slants and veritcles with people like moss after 5 years and knowing how they run. And nobody was "B!t@h'n" about nothing it's sad you gotta try to be a Internet tough guyPosted by: EveryHomeGameSince87"

This is a very strange post.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I guess I'd be surprised if barring injury the Skins sign any more linemen before the end of training camp. Jammal Brown was an exception. The logical thing would be to see how these guys look with pads before they start looking at the cut list.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

It was pointed out yesterday that V Jackson's production in his first two seasons was very similar to what DT11 and MK12 have each done in their 2 years. I say give DT and MK a year to see what they can do in a a real system with a quality QB that is behind a solid O-line. Make it clear to them that it's do or die this year.

Trading for Jackson might be trying to fill a hole that doesn't need filling, at the expense of a pick that we will need to fill a real hole.

I say NO DEAL, unless we can work a trade using Fat Albert (the 3-way with Seatle seems plausabe...maybe), AND get V Jax to agree to a reasonable contract. Even then I am highly suspicious due to his off field conduct issues.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 1, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Hailed Journalist Matt Terl on Redskin.com said Adam Schein and Jim Miller think The Redskins Have The Best Offensive Line In The NFC East

The offseason is a time of unbridled joy and optimism. Everyone knows this. June is the month when all the offseason moves are going to work, all the draft picks are going to pan out, and every new coach is an innovative genius.

It's just that usually, that sort of optimism is reserved for a team's fans, not the commentators on a national radio show. But on The Sirius Blitz, which airs from 11a-3p ET on Sirius NFL Radio (Channel 124), Adam Schein and Jim Miller got more enthusiastic about the Redskins' offseason moves than even the most optimistic Redskins die-hards I've heard.

And, in what can only be called a whiplash-inducing change from last season, all the praise was directed at the offensive line.

I missed the beginning of the segment, but apparently (according to a thread on ExtremeSkins), the conversation started with an Eagles fan calling in to grudgingly cede the division to the Redskins. Once upon a time, that sort of talk would've been scoffed at by every national host who could grip a microphone. But SIRIUS's Jim Miller had a slightly different reaction.

"I'll tell you what," Miller said, "one thing Philly better be prepared for is [that] Washington is gonna have the ability to run the ball. I mean, they have ... that trade for Jammal Brown..."

"Amazing," Adam Schein interjected.

Miller continued, "That might've sealed the deal. What once was a weakness.... To me, Adam, they may have the best offensive line in that division right now, and that's saying quite a bit."

Schein nearly blew out my headphones with enthusiasm. "Jeez," he boomed. "Wow! You just hit me over the head with that comment! You're right, Mills! I didn't even think about that! You're a hundred percent right!"

Suitably encouraged, Miller pressed on. "And, y'know, the question marks down in Dallas; the New York Giants, they have some issues at the left guard spot -- is Rich Seubert, can he retain his starting left guard position or will Guy Whimper step in for the New York Giants; and even Philadelphia, for them, their left tackle [Jason] Peters, he's gotta play a lot better. He gave up double-digit sacks a year ago. Y'know, Jamaal Jackson, he's not healthy at the center spot. When I look right now, that's pretty solid in Washington."

Then, maybe to prove to everyone that he was actually thinking of the 2010 Washington Redskins and not the 1991 Hogs, Miller got a bit more specific.

Posted by: Risa_L | July 1, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

"Trent Williams, the rookie, starts at left tackle," he said. "Derrick Dockery, back at the left guard spot. Casey Rabach, I mean, that dude's just solid at the center position. Now you get Jammal Brown. I mean, you get a two-time Pro Bowler. I mean, granted, he's had an injury history, but put him in the right tackle spot, this team's pretty good at the offensive line. They're gonna have the ability to run the ball."

Apparently Miller isn't willing to just hand the right guard spot over to Artis Hicks without a fight. Anyhow, despite all the enthusiasm and optimism, Miller still wasn't willing to agree with the caller. "And I'm not saying that they're gonna sweep the Philadelphia Eagles," he said, "but I think they can definitely split."

Well, that part's a downer, but the rest of it is certainly a pleasant change of pace.

Posted by: Risa_L | July 1, 2010 1:37 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

"the latter isn't going to kill you"

If AH falls on someone, the chances of survival are slim...

Posted by: bgmathis | June 30, 2010 10:16 PM

LOL!

Posted by: RedCherokee | July 1, 2010 2:31 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d818ea178/article/nfl-network-will-air-canadian-football-league-games-in-2010

I realize it's the CFL but there is a live football game on tomorrow night. I have to admit I'm excited about it. Kinda wets the appetite.

Posted by: croftonpost | July 1, 2010 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Best OL in the division? Hardly. TW is unknown, Rabach isn't solid and RG is between a backup and a guy who could barely play last year. The Brown trade was a great upside for very modest risk and Dockery was our best lineman last year.

We've gone from a horrid OL (after Samuels went down) back to adequate.

Is our OL the most improved? Almost certainly. Is it the best in the east? No.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 1, 2010 2:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm honestly terrified of the Redskins acquiring ANOTHER veteran guy via trade or free-agency. I think this is the time when you let the adults (Shanny and Bruce) make the decision to draft a promising guy out of college. Jackson has had only one good year and I'm scared that the reason that he is holding out on the Chargers is that he doesn't feel like he has another 1,000+ yd. season ahead of him and he wants to bank now.
That being said, if the Skins can get him without a 1st or second round pick, I just might (cautiously) be okay with it.

Posted by: ASchumacher | July 1, 2010 3:03 AM | Report abuse

The more I think about this VJ trade, the less I like it...I just can't envision a scenario in which we get him without having to give up another high pick or two and this team just can't afford to have only 4 picks like we did going into last year's draft. The 3rd and 4th rounders are already gone. Unless SD would settle for our 2012 2nd rounder, let's sit out this dance.

That said, I don't get why some up here continue to call VJ "a head case". I just don't see it...dude is one of no less than a hundred players who got screwed out of their chance for unrestricted free agency by no fault of their own. Plenty of guys are mad about it and talking about holding out, including current Redskins like Carlos Rogers and Rocky McIntosh. Are those guys head cases too?

Most NFL WRs are fueled by ego, so he's probably no different. The Chargers don't exactly have the best track record when it comes to taking care of their own, so to call him a headcase is a bit misguided, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 5:11 AM | Report abuse

I like this Lichtensteiger guy...I have a feeling he'll figure prominently in the team's plans on the interior O-line:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Lichtensteiger_Fitting_In_On_the_O_Line_127884.jsp

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 5:41 AM | Report abuse

From what I've read about AJ Smith,I reckon this is a non-starter - the Chargers hold all the cards. Still,it's nice that our new QB can scout him, just in case. Maybe, when Jackson's a FA (with his suspensions behind him?), that he may look at the 'Skins as a viable destination.

This also strkes me, however, as a classic Shanny smokescreen, while they look for another FA WR. Maybe he's secretly happy with DT and MK, and wants everyone to think they're chopped liver going into the season? Less likely, I know!

I voted "yes, if the price is right" but I think what Washington see as the right price is below what Jackson wants and, probably, less than his talent is worth. If anyone offers him top WR money (like Brandon Marshall got), then we probably won't match.

This is a good thing. The best organisations let higher-priced veterans go elsewhere and dig up hidden gems(the Pats did this through their period of dominance and were never afraid to let a star player leave). I think Jackson would be a difference-maker, but I'd rather have a full set of draft picks every year. With the new FO, I'm confident we can supplement the squad this year with training camp cuts and strengthen it next year with a full draft class andthe progression of our younger guys.

Oh, and F - D*ll*s.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | July 1, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I hate typing from a laptop - the space bar is way too eccentric!

Posted by: stevebeagrie | July 1, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d818eac1d/McNabb-courting-Jackson

Looks like the 3-way with Jackson is being discussed in the press.

Man, no matter what time of the year it is, it seems the Redskins are ALWAYS in the media.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 1, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

So when do we get a post for the pros and cons of signing TO?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I like this Lichtensteiger guy...I have a feeling he'll figure prominently in the team's plans on the interior O-line:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Lichtensteiger_Fitting_In_On_the_O_Line_127884.jsp

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 5:41 AM

I agree. He's in the mold of the type of centers Shanahan likes, smart, athletic. Hopefully he'll bulk up a little and make a run at starting next year.

Posted by: TWISI | July 1, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

they need to stop blowing up their draft like next year with no 3 and no 4. that is where your team is built. McNugget was not shelved by Philly to see what Kolb can do. they know McNugget was lit up like a roman candle by Dallas twice in 7 days 58-13 just months ago. they will stink until they stop taking the old cheese. Galloway, Moss, Wade, and the others are way past their prime. The two picks Kelly and Thomas are busts and just bad selections by TeaBag Cerrato. i say shut it down, get Bob Marley off the helmet, change the name, and no more over the hill FA's for 5 years.

Posted by: doyouktt | July 1, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

2 DUI convictions. He obviously hasn't learned a lesson. I guess the 3rd time he'll kill someone and be banned from the league, but hopefully as a redskin because he is so much better than any receiver they currently have.

Posted by: keedrow | July 1, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

The more I think about this VJ trade, the less I like it...I just can't envision a scenario in which we get him without having to give up another high pick or two and this team just can't afford to have only 4 picks like we did going into last year's draft. The 3rd and 4th rounders are already gone. Unless SD would settle for our 2012 2nd rounder, let's sit out this dance.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 5:11 AM

I dunno. I think the Chargers are in the same situation with VJ as the Redskins are with Haynesworth. VJ will be a big distraction for this team during the season. Players and their agents will be watching how Smith handles this situation very carefully. The Chargers can't get fair value for VJ now, not with his suspension and the stance VJ has taken. That being said, I think the Skins best chance of getting VJ is in a three way deal, where the Skins can get a pick(s) for Haynesworth and parlay that for VJ.

Posted by: TWISI | July 1, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I like this Lichtensteiger guy...I have a feeling he'll figure prominently in the team's plans on the interior O-line:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Lichtensteiger_Fitting_In_On_the_O_Line_127884.jsp

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 5:41 AM | Report abuse

The key term here is "guard/CENTER". Our back-up guards need to be comfortable playing center also. Thanks for that story, brownie.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 1, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Hanyesworth to Seattle…Seattle’s 2nd round pick to San Diego…Vincent Jackson to Washington. Win…Win…Win. OK everyone’s happy.
Personally I like the thought of Moss, Jackson, and Thomas lined up three wide.
Two tall young guys at WR this year and draft Moss’ replacement next year.
Upgrade, depth, competition, and vision. Just dreaming or should I just wake up?

Posted by: camp_fodder | July 1, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, Lichtensteiger is about 295 lbs...that IS bulked up for a Shanahan center!

Without getting into the worn out AH topic again, comparing VJ's situation to AH is flat wrong. AH got his money...and lots of it. VJ has a legitimate gripe that he's been screwed out of getting the shot at getting paid that should have come with his free agency. I don't agree with how he's going about it per se, but I also don't begrudge him for being unhappy that the lack of a new CBA screwed him out of the payday he's earned. Best believe that if VJ was paid, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Lichtensteiger? now THAT's a O-lineman name. All Madden before he's done... lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Without getting into the worn out AH topic again, comparing VJ's situation to AH is flat wrong. AH got his money...and lots of it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 8:27 AM

I wasn't comparing their situations per se. I was comparing the possible impact both players can have on their respective team's "chemistry". I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: TWISI | July 1, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

brown, agreed on the VJ/AH comparative not being close to accurate...its like apples, and fire hydrants....AH got paid and refused to show...VJ didn't get paid, and is refusing to show....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 1, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Fritz, at worst Lichtensteiger is a key reserve that can play 3 spots. I love this guy.

c_f, somebody else was up here beating the drum for that trade and I still love it. So long as we're not giving up anymore picks, I'm OK with it.

And Moss's replacement may already be on the roster. He goes by the name Terrence Austin.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't comparing their situations per se. I was comparing the possible impact both players can have on their respective team's "chemistry". I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: TWISI | July 1, 2010 8:36 AM


Still a bit different...the Skins are a team under new direction trying to rebound from a horrible '09 season. Chemistry is far more important to a team like ours. The Chargers are an established team that will probably win their division by accident since it's so bad. IMO, the chances of AH wrecking the Redskins locker room is far greater than anything VJ is doing right now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Ruh Roh, looks like ya boy Mike Vick ai n't out of the woods yet.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/20100701_Citing_new_evidence__Virginia_Beach_police_take_new_look_at_Vick_after_shooting.html

Va Beach won't call him a suspect, yet. But more people are starting to talk about what happened that night, and this story is about to get alot more interesting I think.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 1, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"I was comparing the possible impact both players can have on their respective team's 'chemistry'".

First, I don't think the Chargers are going to deal VJax. WR isn't exactly a position of strength for SD, so they need him. Also, dealing him sets a terrible precedent. It tells the other players that if they don't like their contract or don't like what the team is offering, just stay away from OTAs and you'll get dealt.

But if they did trade him to the 'Skins, I don't think that he would affect team chemistry at all, and certainly not to the extent that the Haynesworth situation might. Players understand wanting to get paid, which is VJax's issue. Guys skip OTAs and training camp all the time because they want more money and the other players just soldier on because they realize that it's part of the business, and that the dispute usually gets resolved before the regular season starts (which will probably happen with VJax and the Chargers, as well).

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 1, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Mike Vick.....sometimes you can't fix stupid.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 1, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Pred - I saw on Deadspin that he already lied to the police about his whereabouts at the time of the shooting.

... but even the fact that he was AT that party was a violation of his parole! Do you think the Iggles are regretting their decision to let McNubbin go, yet?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

... but even the fact that he was AT that party was a violation of his parole! Do you think the Iggles are regretting their decision to let McNubbin go, yet?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2010 9:00 AM

Sans Vick, the Iggles are 1 deep at QB just like us. The question is who stays healthiest for the season.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 1, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Pred - I saw on Deadspin that he already lied to the police about his whereabouts at the time of the shooting.

... but even the fact that he was AT that party was a violation of his parole! Do you think the Iggles are regretting their decision to let McNubbin go, yet?

Posted by: DikShuttle

Yeah, I don't get the people who leave comments, trying to defend him. I know he's a big shot down in Hampton Roads, I used to live there, but to have a public party (or agree to be at one) knowing that you are on FEDERAL probation that bars you from associating with felons and others involved in your case is just beyond stupid.

Add to the fact that he was given a pretty healthy second chance with the eagles and is making millions again despite really not proving he can play the position full-time calls into question his judgement. I don't think Mike really gets it, or that he ever will, which is sad.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 1, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 1, 2010 8:56 AM

Players always "solider" on regardless of the situation, doesn't mean it's not a distraction. You have indicated that w/o VJ, the Chargers receiving corp will rival that of the Skins. Having the best player at a position on the bench until week 10, and probably hurting seeding, home field, etc for the playoffs, because of a management position will not go un-noticed by the players.

Posted by: TWISI | July 1, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Today's Poll:

Will the sports page front image of Ravens' linebacker Ray Lewis irritate Redskins' fans longer than Edwin Williams' did last summer?

a.) yes

b.) no

c.) sure

d.) please repeat the question?

e.) it depends on what the definition of 'irritate' is

f.) all of the above

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 1, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Poll:

Will the sports page front image of Ravens' linebacker Ray Lewis irritate Redskins' fans longer than Edwin Williams' did last summer?

a.) yes

b.) no

c.) sure

d.) please repeat the question?

e.) it depends on what the definition of 'irritate' is

f.) all of the above

Posted by: MistaMoe

Moe, RI should put up a poll to determine which player we want on the front page until training camp starts.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 1, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I vote "yes" Moe. For the love of God, man...if you can't change the pic at least once every couple days or so, just leave up a generic Redskins logo or something...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

vote "yes" Moe. For the love of God, man...if you can't change the pic at least once every couple days or so, just leave up a generic Redskins logo or something...

Posted by: brownwood26

How about a mugshot of Haynesworth with the word, THIEF in big block letters underneath.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 1, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

The price will be too high. If we're willing to consider this guy, then we ought to look at T.O. Much cheaper and will be easier to dump if he turns into a problem. Let's face it, the WR position in the NFL breeds these egotistical children so we'll likely have to put up with one if we want a good team. There are no more Art Monks.

Posted by: allknowingguy | July 1, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

That said, I don't get why some up here continue to call VJ "a head case". I just don't see it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 5:11 AM

In a 2006 game against the Oakland Raiders, Jackson nearly made one of the most bizarre turnovers in recent NFL history. After making a 13 yard catch on fourth down, Jackson immediately got up and spun the ball forward in celebration. Because Jackson had fallen on his own and was not tackled, Raiders cornerback Fabian Washington believed it to be a fumble and leapt upon the ball. Possession was originally awarded to Oakland, but the Chargers were then flagged for an illegal forward pass and allowed to keep the ball.

During a January 17, 2010 divisional playoff game against the New York Jets, Jackson made a 37 yard catch that was challenged by Jets head coach Rex Ryan. Jackson received an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for kicking the challenge flag, which cost the Chargers 15 yards (The play was upheld).

TWO DUI's.

VJ should blame his own Union for the rules of FA. Maybe if he wasn't a head case the chargers would give him an extension, it's not like they have anyone else on their receiving corps that would scare any defense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 1, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, if I got a dollar for every player who got up and spiked a ball before being ruled down, I'd be rich enough to buy the WaPo, this blog, and hire someone to change the pic on the homepage. I'm not saying the guy is a model citizen, but to call him a "head case" is a bit strong IMO...especially when some here are comparing him to AH.

Trust me...there's no better scenario than seing Devin Thomas having a massive progression. But if you think you're getting a WR corps worth a damn without at least one diva in the lot, you're fooling yourself. If the price is getting AH off the roster for VJ, that's about as close to a best case scenario I see. I'd pass altogether if it costs any picks, though.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

How about drafting the next Vincent Jackson next year in the draft?? Sure will be cheaper & may not come with all the baggage.

They have enough WR's & should give them 1 more year to develop with the Shannys... I think we can still be really efficient on offense using our 2 TE's, Moss/Thomas/Kelly, Portis/LJ & maybe D Mo.

Just because you have full autonomy from the owner to do whatever you want, doesn't mean you need to do it all today.

Posted by: tony325 | July 1, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Poll:

Will the sports page front image of Ravens' linebacker Ray Lewis irritate Redskins' fans longer than Edwin Williams' did last summer?

a.) yes

Guess they don't have any pics of Skins players at the Baltimore Post.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 1, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

The asking price for VJ is two 2nd RD picks or a 1st. If ANYONE thinks that Seattle is going to give us anything higher than a 4th for AH then please call a cab or get someone to drive you home. No need to follow in V "Barney Gumble" Jack's tire tracks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how many here have seen Cris Carter's act at the rookie symposium, but what a pretentious schmuck he is...dude has a good message and all, but it's totally compromised by him doing this over-the-top Ray Lewis-esque bullsh*t...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

If I had to choose between T.O. and Jackson, I'd choose T.O. quickly. He can still have an impact this season, you don't give anything up to acquire him, and he's not asking for an absurd amount of money. Not that I'm for acquiring him.

What I don't understand is why everyone is so in love with getting a "Number 1 WR". There's not enough balls to go around. IMO, this is going to be more of a TE focused offense in the passing game, with a large focus on the running game, so I don't see any big time WR coming here and putting up Pro Bowl numbers. This whole, "We don't have a number 1" is getting out of hand. Chargers for years didn't have a number 1 WR under Turner, same goes with the Saints, Giants, Titans, etc. Shanahans will find a way to get their best players the ball, something Zorn was incapable of doing.

Posted by: ga8085 | July 1, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

We ain't giving up AH for a 4th..that would be idiotic on the Redskins end....

1st or nothing...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 1, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I have no idea where the Lewis stuff comes from, Mo.

I think Raven's fans get a lot more upset about Skins' stuff (i.e. Riggo being filmed at Raven's stadium) than Skins' fans get upset about Ravens' stuff ["Rav..who? oh, that AFC team...meh"].

As long as it's not Tony RomOHNOOOO I'm ok w/ it.. lol.

btw, Now that he's dating KK's plastic caboose, can we expect Miles Austin to tank like R[h]omo did before he sent those bootz a'walkin'?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'd take a 2nd, 4th - just to SJK with his future trade value...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/01/third-first-rounder-makes-an-agent-change/

A bit of Trent Williams news at the end of this post. Apparently Trent has hired CAA for agent representation. Anybody know what CAA is?

Colonial Athletic Association is the only CAA I've heard of.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 1, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

A bit of Trent Williams news at the end of this post. Apparently Trent has hired CAA for agent representation. Anybody know what CAA is?

Colonial Athletic Association is the only CAA I've heard of.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 1, 2010 10:31 AM

Corksucking Agents of America?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 1, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

VJ Career (5 yrs) 198 catches 3400 YDs 25 TDs

Brandon Marshall LAST 3 years 307 catches 3710 Yds 23 TDs

He wants a contract worth more than BM's...Fat, Drunk, & Stupid is no way to go through life.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

If I had to choose between T.O. and Jackson, I'd choose T.O. quickly. He can still have an impact this season, you don't give anything up to acquire him, and he's not asking for an absurd amount of money. Not that I'm for acquiring him.


Posted by: ga8085 | July 1, 2010 10:11 AM

Agreed...TO may be old, but I think he'll still be productive with a top QB like DMac. If they've truly buried the hatchet, there's no reason why TO wouldn't be a good fit FOR ONE YEAR AND ONE YEAR ALONE.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is why everyone is so in love with getting a "Number 1 WR".

Posted by: ga8085 | July 1, 2010 10:11 AM

Can Kyle's passing game work with no real #1 WR. So far it seems as if the coaching staff don't want to go down that road?

Posted by: TWISI | July 1, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I'd take a 2nd, 4th - just to SJK with his future trade value...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2010 10:22 AM

It may come to that, but that's allright....but not a 4th though....Though it's nothing wrong with 4ths....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 1, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Hey everybody,

Let's all go to the link at the top of the page that says "e-mail Jason with comments, ideas and questions" and flood his inbox with requests to have Ray Lewis' picture removed from the webpage and swapped with a Redskin. Jason probably never reads more than the first ten posts on the blog, and has no clue that we're all annoyed at having to look at a Raven for days on end.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 1, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Creative Artists Agency

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 1, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

What is this Ray Lewis nonsense I keep reading about...There is no Ray Lewis pic on this blog...WTF?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 1, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Good news on the rookie front:

Trent Williams hires new agent
Posted by Mike Florio on July 1, 2010 10:26 AM ET
Last month, Redskins left tackle Trent Williams parted ways with agent Eugene Parker. Also on the representation agreement was Vincent Taylor.

Now, as expected, Williams has replaced Parker with Ben Dogra. And Williams has re-hired Taylor.

Per a league source, the paperwork recently has been sent to the NFLPA with Williams' choice.

As we understand it, Taylor has strong connections to Williams' family, but Taylor brought in Parker given the stakes and the complexity of the deal. But Williams concluded that he and Parker "weren't a good fit."

So even though Taylor technically was fired because Williams was required to cancel the entire representation agreement, Parker was, as a practical matter, the only agent fired.

And now Dogra takes Parker's place, giving CAA a whopping seven first-rounders in 2010.

The others are: Rams quarterback Sam Bradford (first overall), Bucs defensive tackle Gerald McCoy (third overall), Titans defensive end Derrick Morgan (16th overall), Bengals tight end Jermaine Gresham (21st overall), Packers tackle Bryan Bulaga (23rd overall), and Colts defensive end Jerry Hughes (31st overall).

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Can we please just sign T.O. and get this over with??

Posted by: psock1 | July 1, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

What is this Ray Lewis nonsense I keep reading about...There is no Ray Lewis pic on this blog...WTF?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 1, 2010 10:44 AM


Go to the Redskins homepage on here...it's been there for over a week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/sectionfront/index.html

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Breaking news (sorta): John Wall has selected jersey #2. No word if he had to ask Mitch Richmond or Chris Webber for permission.

Damn, I can't wait for training camp...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 1, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Breaking news (sorta): John Wall has selected jersey #2. No word if he had to ask Mitch Richmond or Chris Webber for permission.

Damn, I can't wait for training camp...

Posted by: brownwood26

I kinda hoped he would choose 21 and make that number famous for a second time in DC. Now I hope he makes us forget Webber ever wore that jersey.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 1, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

wait a second... do I hear a Jackson for Haynesworth trade?

Posted by: GaryRosenthal | July 1, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

gary, thats what PFT is saying is almost guaranteed to happen...AH for VJ straight up.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 1, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Newsflash for you guys...Vincent Jackson has been suspended for 3 games for next season. (ESPN reported)

Posted by: svxcountry1 | July 1, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Negative. I think Thomas has the ability and the "want-to" to become a good receiver. Kelly just needs to man-up, learn the play book, and play like he has a pair. Moss is Moss. I like Austin. He has decent speed and good hands. Have him and Moss in the slot. Thomas and Kelly or old-man Galloway on the outside. Or you can go with two tights with Cooley and Davis, with Thomas and Moss on the outside. The Skins' are just missing that one home run threat and a speedster in the backfield.

NO NO NO to Jackson.

Posted by: rburke81 | July 1, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Vincent Jackson suspended three games
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 1, 2010 11:27 AM ET
Holdout or not, Vincent Jackson won't suit up during the first three games of the regular season.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that the NFL suspended the disgruntled Chargers wide receiver three games for violating the league's personal conduct policy. This news likely comes as a small relief to Jackson, who was expecting a four game suspension.

The suspension could be reduced upon appeal. Defensive end Jared Allen got a four game suspension reduced to two games after two DUI arrests. Jackson pled guilty in February to DUI, his second conviction.

Jackson picked an outstanding time to get suspended. The unsigned restricted free agent is threatening to skip the first half of the season because he wants a new contract from the Chargers that doesn't appear forthcoming.

Jackson remains on the block, but the suspension doesn't affect his trade value much. Everyone knew it was coming. Now we'll have to see if Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith can find a suitor willing to give up enough so that Jackson can spend his time off while on another roster.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Vick gonna show up for this one...

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=140567382619981

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

This Jackson situation is serious enough that I don't think we can leave this one to chance- we are going to have to force the team to pass on him by hook or by crook.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

we are going to have to force the team to pass on him by hook or by crook.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 1, 2010 11:47 AM


You may need to explain that expression for posters under the age of 50. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

He is not coming here. What is being proposed as compensation is not even remotely possible to consider for the team. He is not going to be here so don't worry. One of the big boys will break out and they will take care of things. With McNabb back there and a serviceable line in place, we will see guys develop at a fast rate. Rememeber, Desean Jackson was a good receiver but McNabb made him a great receiver. He will do the same thing here.

Posted by: ajb1094 | July 1, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

He is not coming here. What is being proposed as compensation is not even remotely possible to consider for the team. He is not going to be here so don't worry. One of the big boys will break out and they will take care of things. With McNabb back there and a serviceable line in place, we will see guys develop at a fast rate. Remember, Desean Jackson was a good receiver but McNabb made him a great receiver. He will do the same thing here.

Posted by: ajb1094 | July 1, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Hey everybody,

Let's all go to the link at the top of the page that says "e-mail Jason with comments, ideas and questions" and flood his inbox with requests to have Ray Lewis' picture removed from the webpage and swapped with a Redskin.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 1, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody,

Let's all go to the link at the top of the page that says "e-mail Jason with comments, ideas and questions" and flood his inbox with requests to have Ray Lewis' picture removed from the webpage and swapped with a Redskin.

Posted by: kaasmaster

wow, and I thought I didn't have a life

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 1, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

wondering if VJax's suspension gets held over until he reports, and if those suspended games count towards his tenure. Otherwise, he can show up at week 10, miss 3 games for suspension and only play about 3-4 games to get credit for his 'year' -- and be a UFA in 2011

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 1, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

wondering if VJax's suspension gets held over until he reports, and if those suspended games count towards his tenure. Otherwise, he can show up at week 10, miss 3 games for suspension and only play about 3-4 games to get credit for his 'year' -- and be a UFA in 2011

Posted by: zcezcest1

wow, and I thought I didn't have a life

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Heck NO on this dude. Norv once said he would be a beast WR, and now he wants to unload him? If an offensive "genius" like Norv can't develop him, what makes you think he will develop here?

So Skins want to overpay for a headcase with some mythical potential? The more things change, the more they stay the same around Redskins Park...

Posted by: rooster75 | July 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

hmmm Jackson's situation seems somehow familiar...here is what he should do:
Take the one year tender.
Show the Chargers the "Kwon."
They will "show him the money."
Hug his agent.
Go on TV and cry over his new big contract.
Finish his career in Arizona...er..San Diego.

Posted by: mordrud | July 1, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

He'll only be out for 3 games according to ESPN. GET THE MAN! Santana's no #1 receiver anyway. They've upgraded everywhere else, why not?

Posted by: keedrow | July 1, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The last time I showed someone the "Kwon", I ended up gettin' married...

...the time before that, I risked the scabies.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

So Skins want to overpay for a headcase with some mythical potential?

Posted by: rooster75 | July 1, 2010 12:20 PM

VJak was not even the #1 passing option on the Bolts and has 16 TDs over the last two years, so I'd say he's shown enough game on the field. Potential is the definition of Thomas or Kelly.

Posted by: TWISI | July 1, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

He's worth a 2012 3rd rounder....He has a drinking problem that will become worst once he hits these clubs in the DC area....


Thats funny ..You think DC has better clubs than San Diego???? Wow someone has never been to the Gas light district I see as San Diego DESTROYS DC Any day and quite frankly the women in Sand dog Blow away Dc any day

Posted by: knepp023 | July 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

kaasmaster, F both of us for our mini little lives

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Man, if they pull off a Jackson for Hanyesworth straight up trade, that would be awesome. You get rid of Haynes, all the while sticking it to him by sending him to another 3-4 scheme.

Not even the doom and gloom Skins fans could hate on that trade. Only thing that bugs me is that Jackson thinks he'll get a huge contract. I say let him play like a beast this year then award him with a large contract.

Posted by: ga8085 | July 1, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

He's worth a 2012 3rd rounder....He has a drinking problem that will become worst once he hits these clubs in the DC area....


Thats funny ..You think DC has better clubs than San Diego???? Wow someone has never been to the Gas light district I see as San Diego DESTROYS DC Any day and quite frankly the women in Sand dog Blow away Dc any day

Posted by: knepp023 | July 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Plus in SD the rails run down to "the happiest place on earth Tijuana!!!"

Oh yeah and please get VJ. He instantly solidifies our WR group.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 1, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

seems to me all the really good teams (minn., N.O.,S.D., Indy and N.E.) their quarterbacks are completing passes to 7-9 different receivers making their air attack multi-dimensional. Vincent Jackson's pressence would allow Kelly and Thompson to devolp into better receivers while making it harder for opposing defenses to cover the field. without Jackson I'mmsure we'll see much of what we've always seen double Moss and force the others to make plays. Moss, Jackson,Kelly, cooley and Davis sounds like a dangerous five spread to me.throw in #5 winging the ball all around the field and we can compete with any team in the league

Posted by: nflorida1 | July 1, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

8085, I think you just showed how that trade would never work... SD runnin' the 3-4. Why would they pick up a headache like Fat Al when they know he won't play?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

quite frankly the women in Sand dog Blow away Dc any day

Posted by: knepp023

Thats why he'll drink more if he comes to DC. He'll need thicker beer gogles.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

8085, I think you just showed how that trade would never work... SD runnin' the 3-4. Why would they pick up a headache like Fat Al when they know he won't play?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2010 12:55 PM |

Yeah, you're right. That's what I get for believing rumors circulated by RI posters.

Posted by: ga8085 | July 1, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Thats funny ..You think DC has better clubs than San Diego???? Wow someone has never been to the Gas light district I see as San Diego DESTROYS DC Any day and quite frankly the women in Sand dog Blow away Dc any day

Posted by: knepp023 | July 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I must emphatically co sign this. DC is a lot of things, but a club mecca with hotties all quads is not one of them.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 1, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Jackson is now suspended for the 1st 4 games. Doesn't really help the Skins who could be without Moss too if that ever comes back to bite him.

Posted by: mrlowery1 | July 1, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

By committing to Donovan McNabb, 33, and making the deal for Jammal Brown, the Redskins are signalling they are not going to wait 1-2 additional years to pick up the players they still need.

Shanahan and Allen are going to be aggressive at finding better WRs THIS OFFSEASON.

It may or may not end up being Vincent Jackson but the Redskins are not going into 2010 with Moss and a group of faceless or toothless WRs.

Kelly and Thomas I think have shown Shanahan they are not going to be #1 wideouts in the NFL.

And that is what is causing the Redskins to make a move or two.

No one anticipated Wade or Austin to be regular WRs in 2010, their slots to be made are on special teams.

And there is NO way the Redskins ride 38 year old Joey Galloway through the 2010 season as a prime target.

By showing interest in Jackson the Redskins are telegraphing to other teams with competition at WR that we are interested in making a deal for the right player.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | July 1, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

By committing to Donovan McNabb, 33, and making the deal for Jammal Brown, the Redskins are signalling they are not going to wait 1-2 additional years to pick up the players they still need.

Shanahan and Allen are going to be aggressive at finding better WRs THIS OFFSEASON.

It may or may not end up being Vincent Jackson but the Redskins are not going into 2010 with Moss and a group of faceless or toothless WRs.

Kelly and Thomas I think have shown Shanahan they are not going to be #1 wideouts in the NFL.

And that is what is causing the Redskins to make a move or two.

No one anticipated Wade or Austin to be regular WRs in 2010, their slots to be made are on special teams.

And there is NO way the Redskins ride 38 year old Joey Galloway through the 2010 season as a prime target.

By showing interest in Jackson the Redskins are telegraphing to other teams with competition at WR that we are interested in making a deal for the right player.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | July 1, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

By committing to Donovan McNabb, 33, and making the deal for Jammal Brown, the Redskins are signalling they are not going to wait 1-2 additional years to pick up the players they still need.

Shanahan and Allen are going to be aggressive at finding better WRs THIS OFFSEASON.

It may or may not end up being Vincent Jackson but the Redskins are not going into 2010 with Moss and a group of faceless or toothless WRs.

Kelly and Thomas I think have shown Shanahan they are not going to be #1 wideouts in the NFL.

And that is what is causing the Redskins to make a move or two.

No one anticipated Wade or Austin to be regular WRs in 2010, their slots to be made are on special teams.

And there is NO way the Redskins ride 38 year old Joey Galloway through the 2010 season as a prime target.

By showing interest in Jackson the Redskins are telegraphing to other teams with competition at WR that we are interested in making a deal for the right player.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | July 1, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

By committing to Donovan McNabb, 33, and making the deal for Jammal Brown, the Redskins are signalling they are not going to wait 1-2 additional years to pick up the players they still need.

Shanahan and Allen are going to be aggressive at finding better WRs THIS OFFSEASON.

It may or may not end up being Vincent Jackson but the Redskins are not going into 2010 with Moss and a group of faceless or toothless WRs.

Kelly and Thomas I think have shown Shanahan they are not going to be #1 wideouts in the NFL.

And that is what is causing the Redskins to make a move or two.

No one anticipated Wade or Austin to be regular WRs in 2010, their slots to be made are on special teams.

And there is NO way the Redskins ride 38 year old Joey Galloway through the 2010 season as a prime target.

By showing interest in Jackson the Redskins are telegraphing to other teams with competition at WR that we are interested in making a deal for the right player.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | July 1, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Jackson is now suspended for the 1st 4 games. Doesn't really help the Skins who could be without Moss too if that ever comes back to bite him.

Posted by: mrlowery1 | July 1, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Suspension was only for 3 games.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 1, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Royhobbs.... its slow... just submit once and look at another page until it loads.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 1, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Kelly and Thomas I think have shown Shanahan they are not going to be #1 wideouts in the NFL"

Yeah, having gone through training camp, having played with full pads on, this seems pretty close to reality......what...you mean, training camp hasn't happened....oh.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 1, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 1, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Roy, you may want to try some decaf for your next cup of Joe. Wow, a rare quad!

Everyone is commenting on how MS and BA are so disappointed in DT and MK. Yes, they have brought in quite a few wr's. But I have not seen a single quote from either one that says they are not happy with them. Yes, they are interested in VJax. That still doesn't say they arenot happy with 11 and 12.

Now that VJax will miss several games at beginning of season, and we are waiting to hear if SMoss will be suspended for the same period, I think VJax is less desirable.

If we could swap picks like we did for JBrown, I'd be interested. But I don't want to part with our 2nd round pick next year.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 1, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody,

Let's all go to the link at the top of the page that says "e-mail Jason with comments, ideas and questions" and flood his inbox with requests to have Ray Lewis' picture removed from the webpage and swapped with a Redskin.

Posted by: kaasmaster

It worked.

Posted by: NEDTHEBEAR | July 1, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Yet another multi-millionaire NFL player who can't afford a $100 cab fare. These guys are paid big bucks and need to demonstrate a level of responsibility that equals their paychecks. I think the league should have a mandatory 4 game suspension for 1st time DUI offenders and a mandatory 1 year suspension for repeat offenses. That may just be enough to get these jerks into a cab at night.

Posted by: Howsthathopeandchangeworkingforyou | July 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Whatever Coach Shanahan wants is fine with me. I also think big number 92 will be a happy Redskin once he gets here. Thank goodness we got an owner who spends his money
on his team. This team is gonna kick ass. It's really something special from the bottom
to the top. Just set yourself comfortably and enjoy.

Posted by: Rocananda1 | July 1, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

We'd be better off spending some 5-7th round picks getting Kevin Ogletree from Dallas and Hank Baskett from Philadelphia.

Worst case we'd give up some worthless picks to have Kendra in the stands =P

Posted by: mac2j | July 1, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, Snyderrato did more damage to the Skins organization than has been disclosed. While Fred Davis may yet work out as a serviceable pass-catching second-string TE, the WR tandem of #11 & #12 will haunt the Skins for years to come. Couldn't we have selected a decent QB or offensive lineman with those picks. It's offensive to think how the idiotic combo of Snyder and Cerrato gutted this team. I hope it's not too late for Shanallen to turn this sinking ship around.

Posted by: dc1020008 | July 2, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

@nflorida1...add Brian Westbrook to the mix and you have a truly dangerous passing combo there...

Posted by: dc1020008 | July 2, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

@leeevi98...you can take the boy out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the boy. vick will never change. vjax won't change either, but if we need him, gotta take advantage of the opportunity.

Posted by: dc1020008 | July 2, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Next years draft could be as bad for WR's as the 08 draft was. Hint Hint. How bad did we need receivers in 08? How bad will we need a receiver in 2011? Hint Hint Pretty bad. Unless Jones, Green and Floyd come out, this could be the worst draft for WR's in NFL history. If we trade back in the 1st round like we did in 08 and draft 2 WR's I will shoot myself.

Posted by: taylor3621 | July 5, 2010 2:49 AM | Report abuse

THE ONLY WAY THE SKINS SHOULD CONSIDER A TRADE FOR JACKSON IS TO TRADE HAYNESWORTH. WE CAN EXPECT ISSUES WITH JACKSON AS TWO DUI'S SUGGEST ANOTHER WILL BE FORTHCOMING AND THERE WILL BE ISSUES WITH HIM.

MY THINKING IS THAT AT LEAST HE WOULD PLAY (WHEN HE IS NOT SUSPENDED)!! WE KNOW HAYNESWORTH WILL DECIDE IF HE IS GOING TO PLAY OR IF HE DOESN'T WANT TA! AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING AND PUT IN PLACE PLAN B AND C TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT WILL LIKELY ARISE.

GIVEN THAT SCENARIO WE WOULD GET MORE THAN WE'RE GETTIN NOW.

DO NOT TAKE JACKSON UNLESS CHARGES WILL TAKE HAYNESWORTH. OF THAT I AM FIRM.

Posted by: deesy | July 5, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

THE ONLY WAY THE SKINS SHOULD CONSIDER A TRADE FOR JACKSON IS TO TRADE HAYNESWORTH. WE CAN EXPECT ISSUES WITH JACKSON AS TWO DUI'S SUGGEST ANOTHER WILL BE FORTHCOMING AND THERE WILL BE ISSUES WITH HIM.

MY THINKING IS THAT AT LEAST HE WOULD PLAY (WHEN HE IS NOT SUSPENDED)!! WE KNOW HAYNESWORTH WILL DECIDE IF HE IS GOING TO PLAY OR IF HE DOESN'T WANT TA! AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING AND PUT IN PLACE PLAN B AND C TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT WILL LIKELY ARISE.

GIVEN THAT SCENARIO WE WOULD GET MORE THAN WE'RE GETTIN NOW.

DO NOT TAKE JACKSON UNLESS CHARGES WILL TAKE HAYNESWORTH. OF THAT I AM FIRM.

Posted by: deesy | July 5, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

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