Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: RedskinsInsider and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS
Posted at 12:12 PM ET, 02/ 9/2011

Coin toss: Redskins wide receivers--what's the plan?

By Washington Post editors

We asked earlier how much Santana Moss is worth for next season. PAskinsfan17 responds:

3 yrs 5 million + some incentives. He's the only real receiver we got. Let's face facts. Our Wrs are terrible. We can resign Moss, Get a big FA like Braylon Edwards, and still have room for Malcolm Kelly, Anthony Armstrong, and Terrence Austin. We'd just be cutting Roydell Williams and possibly someone else IF Malcolm Kelly comes back in one piece and makes it through camp and the preseason. We could easily roll 6 deep at WR until Kelly's hamstring breaks again.

What's your opinion on the wide receiver situation?

By Washington Post editors  | February 9, 2011; 12:12 PM ET
Categories:  Santana Moss, wide receivers  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: How much is Santana Moss worth next year?
Next: Chris Samuels to coach at Alabama high school

Comments

Just because he's no longer on the team doesn't mean I'm going to stop complaining about Devin Thomas.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"What's your opinion on the wide receiver situation? "

Dire.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Just because he's no longer on the team doesn't mean I'm going to stop complaining about Devin Thomas.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 12:24 PM

You've spent too much time on this blog. Can you at least show that you're even-handed by balancing your Devin Thomas complaints with praise for Leigh Torrence or Ryan Clark? Good to point out that some of the dead horses were thoroughbreds even if others were nags.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

But still, who is Mike Furrey? Can he have any meaningful role on the Redskins?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 12:25 PM

Evidently not, unless he can manage two jobs. I just found this:

http://athletics.kcu.edu/node/697

KCU Names Redskins Wide Receiver Mike Furrey as new Head Football Coach

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

What's your opinion on the wide receiver situation?

By Washington Post editors | February 9, 2011; 12:12 PM ET

It kinda sux at this moment, but thanks for asking!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I say NO to Braylon. Sure, it could turn out to be a Cris Carter-esque career turn about, but this guy has proven over and over to be a head case. Plus, he's facing that DUI disciplinary action so he's as good as gone for 4 games minimum right? Maybe more in light of his other issues....Goodell could come down hard on him.

If we take any character risks at WR I'd rather look at Santonio Holmes. That guy is a player.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 9, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

What does this PAskinsfan17 goofball know? Haven't heard of him until just now.


Can we only get opinions on people who post in the comments section? Thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

And I thought the Coin Toss series was now a thing of the past...congrats PA!

Thanks WP Editors for not pulling the whole midget sock puppet gang rape scoop from the last post!

Oh...and the answer is Tails.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes as I posted this morning. Mason type of money for the 33 YR old Moss. 3 YRs 15 mil w/ 5 guaranteed.

Still need at least 2 WRs to play teams though and besides AA I don't see it. TA is too small to play coverage on teams.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

What does this PAskinsfan17 goofball know? Haven't heard of him until just now.


Can we only get opinions on people who post in the comments section? Thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I was on here for like a year and stopped posting because my company started blocking websites. I got a new job and now I'm back. Why don't you call people Bamas anymore?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 9, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

By Washington Post editors

We asked earlier how much Santana Moss is worth for next season.

And if the rumors are true and the redskins don't re-up Moss, the thread will be:

Coin Toss: Did the Redskins make a mistake in not re-signing Santana Moss?

then....

Coin Toss: Which veteran receiver should the redskins pursue in the wake of Moss' absence?

(stay tuned....)

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Moss is expendable. He's an average receiver, we obviously need upgrades. We need to get younger at every position.

We love you Santana but time to move on.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I was on here for like a year and stopped posting because my company started blocking websites.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 9, 2011 12:44 PM

Commie assssholes!!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

WaPo editors cutting and pasting posts like its the comments section should not equal a new thread.

Lame.


Anyhow, on the S. Moss front, this is an interesting situation.

If the FO does not plan on being truly competitive over the next 2 years (if we are truly rebuilding), then the truth is that we shouldn't offer Moss very much. There's no point in paying $5mill/year to keep him around if his contract is basically going to expire once we take a real step forward.

But if Moss wants to take less to end his career here in Washington b/c of sentimental value, then that's something else.

Truth is, if I were Moss, I might look to latch onto a different organization that has some real prospects of winning/being competitive over the next couple years.

Dude was virtually in tears after the Tampa Bay game b/c he's sick and tired of all the losing...can't blame him.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

If we take any character risks at WR I'd rather look at Santonio Holmes. That guy is a player.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 9, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer him too but I think the Jets are going to keep him and ditch Braylon.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 9, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan, I know who you are, dude...

And I still stay smashing on the occasional bama or two. It's not to demanding, the pay is good and it's a great way to stay in shape.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I can see the rationale for letting Santana walk, but this team struggles mightily to score.

Losing our most reliable offensive weapon will most definitely hurt this team in a big way next season.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

No more Mike Furrey?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 12:44 PM
-----------------------------------------
Although he is still listed on the roster, I guess he is done. This makes me furrious that the Redskins website is not correct.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Moss is expendable. He's an average receiver...

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2011 12:47 PM

If we got rid of guys because they're just "average" we wouldn't have much of a roster. Let's keep average guys and get rid of the old guys. Bye bye, Moss.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

It was supposed to be Furrey in the slot. Damned if we didn't see Moss in the slot!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Don't be fooled by my place on the chart,
I'm still, I'm still SM in the slot.
I used to make a little,
But $nyder pays a lot.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | February 9, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

In regards to moss, what p1 said.

Posted by: hcic55 | February 9, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Why not let Fred Davis shed some pounds and try his hand at wide receiver? The dude is big and fast. Paulsen was kind of emerging as a tight end at the end of last season that was both a reliable blocker and a short yardage receiver. I also like Cooley lined up as a fullback occasionally. Which ever way the Redskins go with their receivers they need to find a more effective way to use their tight ends.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to the whole Moss and HGH thing? Can't he still be punished by the league if it comes out that he knowingly took HGH, even if the legal system won't pursue it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Dude was virtually in tears after the Tampa Bay game b/c he's sick and tired of all the losing...can't blame him.

Posted by: p1funk


Bugs me the f out every time I hear or read someone knocking Santana Moss. Haynesworth? Yeah sure, why not? Portis & Hall? I don't agree with the bashing those two take, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. But Santana Moss? All he does is go out every damn Sunday as the only option at WR (faces double coverage at more times than a few) and gives it his best. He doesn't really speak to the media, or says controversial remarks that could be taken as undermining the coaching staff or his teammates, and people still dog the man.


Those who like to still bash him in spite of all of that, THAT is where I get the whole: "Yezz'a boss? Should I do dat nu jig for ya boss, want me to smile atcha boss" -- because if you supposedly "dislike" Santana Moss, there really isn't a practical reason I can think of other than the "Big eyed smiling and dancing black man routine when talking to 'boss'" bit.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Why not let Fred Davis shed some pounds and try his hand at wide receiver? The dude is big and fast.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:00 PM

I think if Fred Davis would play WR, he would have done it long before now. WR's get much bigger pay that TE's so no one who can play WR becomes a TE.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Why not let Fred Davis shed some pounds and try his hand at wide receiver? The dude is big and fast. Paulsen was kind of emerging as a tight end at the end of last season that was both a reliable blocker and a short yardage receiver. I also like Cooley lined up as a fullback occasionally. Which ever way the Redskins go with their receivers they need to find a more effective way to use their tight ends.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Anything in favor of dumping Mike Sellers, sign me up. Really wish they would adopt a 3-wide singleback set as their primary formation.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Why not let Fred Davis shed some pounds and try his hand at wide receiver?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, he's well on his way, they say people who sleep more lose more weight. So don't think of it as him sleeping through meetings, just think of it as 'exercising'!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

What does this PAskinsfan17 goofball know? Haven't heard of him until just now.


Can we only get opinions on people who post in the comments section? Thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Is this your BLOG, News Paper, country, or planet. STFU! Make a comment and keep moving, maybe you should post something with some substance and maybe, just maybe, they will use your comments.

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I hated santana after that rainy game in Green Bay, and after the last playoff game in Seattle...other than that he is one of my favorite Redskins ever.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Cut the dead weight like Roydell and delelop what we have and whatever we pick up, but whatever you do trade no more future draft picks!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 9, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

...maybe, just maybe, they will use your comments.

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:07 PM

I wish they'd stop reading our comments...its creepy.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Cut the dead weight like Roydell and delelop what we have and whatever we pick up, but whatever you do trade no more future draft picks!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 9, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse


Those who like to still bash him in spite of all of that, THAT is where I get the whole: "Yezz'a boss? Should I do dat nu jig for ya boss, want me to smile atcha boss" -- because if you supposedly "dislike" Santana Moss, there really isn't a practical reason I can think of other than the "Big eyed smiling and dancing black man routine when talking to 'boss'" bit.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 1:02 PM
------------------------------------------
I don't hate Moss, Red, but I occasionally hate his hands. The dude has, at several times in the past, led the league in dropped passes. He's not alone. Cooley will occasionally have a bad case of the oopsies. It's not a reason to hate the guy, but I can understand it if the team decides to look for a little more reliable set of hands.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Santana Moss can go and should go to anothere team. He is OK.

He drops too many balls for me and in some cases more than not these drops end up as INT's.

The problem with the Skins is that they try to value invaluable objects. We should of gotten rid of him instead of re-working his contract so many times.

He has lost the Skins just as many games as he has won for them.

Like I say he is ok, but since we are re-tooling let him go. Skins need to get hungrier.

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Who's this NERD?

You must be new, otherwise you would have known that they DID post something that he said about a week ago.

Insert foot in mouth!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Skins QBs threw 21 TDs this year. Moss caught 6 of them. No one else caught more than 3 TDs.

For a low-scoring team, it might be pretty tough to replace those 93 receptions and 6 recieving TDs.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I wish they'd stop reading our comments...its creepy.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, who do they think they are reading our PRIVATE comments.

Should we use less schtick to try and get our comments used?

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Why not let Fred Davis shed some pounds and try his hand at wide receiver? The dude is big and fast.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:00 PM

I think if Fred Davis would play WR, he would have done it long before now. WR's get much bigger pay that TE's so no one who can play WR becomes a TE.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 1:04 PM
------------------------------------------
Beep, remember how Shanahan used Shannon Sharpe in Denver? Sometimes he was a tight end, and sometimes he was a receiver. That's how I would like to see Davis used.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't hate Moss, Red, but I occasionally hate his hands.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I hate his toes, word around the Sock Puppet Vine is they stink!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Who's this NERD?

You must be new, otherwise you would have known that they DID post something that he said about a week ago.

Insert foot in mouth!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Good, didn't say they shouldn't post comments of substance so thanks for making my point. Who is he to knock someone else. Just post and keep it moving. People like to talk smack to people when they can't be touched ie the dude who got punched in the jaw by Fat Albert. Thats soft dude. oh and get of his balls he can speak for himself.

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Beep, remember how Shanahan used Shannon Sharpe in Denver? Sometimes he was a tight end, and sometimes he was a receiver. That's how I would like to see Davis used.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:18 PM

Sharpe was always in superb physical condition... not so sure about Davis.

But I agree it would be nice if he could be used like that.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Bugs me the f out every time I hear or read someone knocking Santana Moss. Haynesworth? Yeah sure, why not? Portis & Hall? I don't agree with the bashing those two take, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. But Santana Moss? All he does is go out every @#!*% Sunday as the only option at WR (faces double coverage at more times than a few) and gives it his best. He doesn't really speak to the media, or says controversial remarks that could be taken as undermining the coaching staff or his teammates, and people still dog the man.


Those who like to still bash him in spite of all of that, THAT is where I get the whole: "Yezz'a boss? Should I do dat nu jig for ya boss, want me to smile atcha boss" -- because if you supposedly "dislike" Santana Moss, there really isn't a practical reason I can think of other than the "Big eyed smiling and dancing black man routine when talking to 'boss'" bit.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse


MOss is my favorite Redskin. I have his jersey, rock it on gameday, and will continue to do so even if he's not back with the team.

Frankly, dude deserves better than what we can give him as an organization in terms of a shot to compete for something real.

In typical hating fashion, though, some of the "fans" find reasons to dog him. He had 93 catches this season, but some bonehead "fan" will typically bring up the one game where he had a couple drops and maybe a fumble.

It's ridiculous.

But if you can't like and appreciate Moss - his professionalism, his performances for the team, his attitude - then you really have absolutely no business being a SKins fan.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Why not let Fred Davis shed some pounds and try his hand at wide receiver? The dude is big and fast. Paulsen was kind of emerging as a tight end at the end of last season that was both a reliable blocker and a short yardage receiver. I also like Cooley lined up as a fullback occasionally. Which ever way the Redskins go with their receivers they need to find a more effective way to use their tight ends.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Anything in favor of dumping Mike Sellers, sign me up. Really wish they would adopt a 3-wide singleback set as their primary formation.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 1:06 PM
------------------------------------------
I would buy that. Everyone says you have to have three good receivers to run it, but I think the Rams were pretty effective with a group of no-name receivers last year and that was their primary formation.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Should we use less schtick to try and get our comments used?

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:16 PM

No way monk! Remember Toledo? We need to lay low for a while.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

red, 1-billion percent agreed on SMoss, guy has been the only game in town for years now...he just goes out and plays...

monk's post about Davis oversleeping is just classic RI.....not a DUI, not an arrest, not a drug related offense, not a paternity law-suit, heck, not even RECENTLY either....and yet, it just can't be let go....overslept in mini camp going on 4 years ago....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 9, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

...maybe, just maybe, they will use your comments.

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:07 PM

I wish they'd stop reading our comments...its creepy.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I think it is refreshing. I mean to know that others may actually consider something you thought of. Thats what its all about isn't it.

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Moss caught a career high 93 balls for over 1000yds with 6 TDs with McNabb throwing balls at his ankles and Rex throwing floaters to him. What kind of numbers could he put up with the likes of Brady, Manning, or Rivers. That will be just some of the teams interested in his services. I don't want to read any of you nodnicks who are cool with letting him walk crying next year when he blows up.

Also stop mentioning Steve Smith (NYG) and Sidney Rice unless your prepared to give up a draft pick. They are both UFAs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

People like to talk smack to people when they can't be touched ie the dude who got punched in the jaw by Fat Albert. Thats soft dude.

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, this guy did get 'Touched' (Allegedly) by Albert's fist.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 9, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't hate Moss, Red, but I occasionally hate his hands.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I hate his toes, word around the Sock Puppet Vine is they stink!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:19 PM
------------------------------------------
Who was that receiver the Redskins had years ago that finished the season with the pinkies that were all messed up? Albert Connell? His hands looked like lobster claws. He probably couldn't operate a sock puppet.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse


MOss is my favorite Redskin. I have his jersey, rock it on gameday, and will continue to do so even if he's not back with the team.

Frankly, dude deserves better than what we can give him as an organization in terms of a shot to compete for something real.

In typical hating fashion, though, some of the "fans" find reasons to dog him. He had 93 catches this season, but some bonehead "fan" will typically bring up the one game where he had a couple drops and maybe a fumble.

It's ridiculous.

But if you can't like and appreciate Moss - his professionalism, his performances for the team, his attitude - then you really have absolutely no business being a SKins fan.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2011 1:21 PM
------------------------------------------
P1,
That sounded menstrual. Are you having a visit from your "little friend"?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

True playas know you don't cut loose your main piece without plans to snag a new one.

If the Redskins are going to let S Moss go, then smart folks should perk up as it means one of two things (or more) are about to happen:

--the team is planing to add a FA receiver

--the team is planning to draft a receiver

--the team feels satisfied that AA and TA are coming along fine

--the team has its eye on some guys who won't be drafted but might satisfy in time


Loosing S Moss will be a bad thing.

But if two-three receivers with size,youth, and hands replace him, that actually is a positive addition by substraction move.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I mean to know that others may actually consider something you thought of. Thats what its all about isn't it.

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:23 PM

No

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

red, 1-billion percent agreed on SMoss, guy has been the only game in town for years now...he just goes out and plays...

monk's post about Davis oversleeping is just classic RI.....not a DUI, not an arrest, not a drug related offense, not a paternity law-suit, heck, not even RECENTLY either....and yet, it just can't be let go....overslept in mini camp going on 4 years ago....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 9, 2011 1:23 PM
------------------------------------------
Bean, actually, Fred Davis recently got in an altercation with some tart in a local night club. The whole oversleeping thing was a carryover from his college days. He didn't get to go to a bowl game because of being late to team meetings and other team related events. It doesn't make him the anti-christ, but the dude does have a reputation.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Beep, remember how Shanahan used Shannon Sharpe in Denver? Sometimes he was a tight end, and sometimes he was a receiver. That's how I would like to see Davis used.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:18 PM

That would be nice. Dream on. I'm sure Shanahan would love to use him that way. It's just that Fred Davis is no Shannon Sharpe.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Beep, remember how Shanahan used Shannon Sharpe in Denver? Sometimes he was a tight end, and sometimes he was a receiver. That's how I would like to see Davis used.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:18 PM

That would be nice. Dream on. I'm sure Shanahan would love to use him that way. It's just that Fred Davis is no Shannon Sharpe.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 1:32 PM
------------------------------------------
It would be nice if he was.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, RSH, wouldn't it be awesome if Fred Davis did something on the football field that would trump the perception (however unfair) of him as a lazy, oversleepin' underachiever?

Yeah, that would be something. Unless and until that comes to pass, the perception sticks. That's just how it is. Make us forget it by achieving something meaningful for our Redskins. Pretty simple, actually.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Is this your BLOG, News Paper, country, or planet. STFU! Make a comment and keep moving, maybe you should post something with some substance and maybe, just maybe, they will use your comments.

Posted by: AllDCSports

Go back and read my comment at 12:51. You obviously whiffed on the sarcasm pitch that wasn't even intended for you. But by all means, continue to be the judgmental voice here on RI and everything AllDCSports.

Sometimes its best to keep out of sh*t that doesn't concern you. Not doing so gives you the potential to come off as an uber jackass.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that would be something. Unless and until that comes to pass, the perception sticks. That's just how it is. Make us forget it by achieving something meaningful for our Redskins. Pretty simple, actually.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 1:35 PM

I thought he had already done that when Cooley went out and he started. Everyone was pretty excited about Davis for a while. But what has he done for us lately?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

My personal opinion, letting Moss go would be a HUGE mistake. WR is one of the biggest holes on the roster in my opinion due to lack of depth as well as talent. I think we made strides this year in finding Armstrong, Austin (though he hasn't played too much), and Banks. Letting Moss go pretty much starts us back at square 1. I say we keep Moss (3 yrs, 5 mil + incentives sounds good), Add a FA WR. My biggest wish is Rice, since he's 24 and 6'4 205 lbs. I really can't see the Vikings letting him go though, so i'd say Sims-Walker is the next best bet if V-Jax stays in San Diego. Leave Braylon Edwards alone, he's not much of an upgrade over what we have now in my opinion. Go either Rice, Sims-Walker, or V-Jax (Rice has the best upside cause of his age in my opinion). Then we can see what Kelly can contribute, along with Moss, Armstrong, Austin, and Banks. Cut Roydell Williams and Mike Furrey. Then from there we can see if we can add more depth via a late round draft pick if need be. Just my opinion though. Getting rid of Moss makes us backtrack. Keeping him in the slot and getting a big receiver to play opposite Armstrong would be ideal in my mind. We'd have size and reliability (especially if we could get Rice, Sims-Walker, or VJax.

Posted by: schafin3 | February 9, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

if Fred Davis did something on the football field that would trump the perception


I'm of a mind that a guy like Davis isn't all that.

Sorry.

I was wedded to the notion of his being a 'flexed' speed tight end, but after watching Hernandez, Moeki, Gronkowski, realized that FD just doesn't have the same speed and athleticism.

What he is is C Cooley with slightly better hands, but not the same blocking ability.

We really need two-three slot type wr guys who can run well after the catch.

Davis' utility isn;t what we think it is, IMO.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Who is he to knock someone else. Just post and keep it moving.

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 9, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, yet you took it upon yourself to stop your BUSY SCHEDULE (chuckle) and 'knock' on Moe. Take your own advise, keep it moving.....

Not really sure what 'on his balls' means, but now I know what your sexual preference is since your 'homo' mind went right there. I'd keep those things to yourself next time!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Everyone was pretty excited about Davis for a while. But what has he done for us lately?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 1:37 PM

In limited playing time, he tied Cooley and AA for second place on the team in receiving TDs.

He was the 4th leading receiver on the team (in yards) behind Moss, Cooley, and AA.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Moss isn't perfect. He'll have those 'wtf' drops here and there. He isn't consistent from game to game, but considering how it all starts up front, how can you expect him to be?


Go figure.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 1:37 PM

He had as many TDs as Cooly with less than a 1/3 of the opportunities.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 9, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

It's funny: Every coin toss, literal or figurative, that I've ever witnessed has been between two choices.

And never was it expected that anyone would give a dissertation.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 9, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep, it all goes back to the fact that Davis was drafted without any justification whatsoever, when we had a Pro Bowl (whatever that's worth) tight end under contract and entering into the prime of his career.

Not Davis' fault that it took Cooley's injury for him to get a stretch of real playing time. Or that that stretch of real playing time came happened to fall during the abysmal stretch that was the end of the Zorn era. But so it was.

Getting ticked off just thinking about this. Not just Davis, but all the talent squandered on the dysfunctional Redskin teams that have trotted onto the field the past few years. *sigh*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Who was that receiver the Redskins had years ago that finished the season with the pinkies that were all messed up? Albert Connell? His hands looked like lobster claws. He probably couldn't operate a sock puppet.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Dude had a good year for us, then got in a fight with our interim coach. But those little lobster claws were good enough to steal money outta someone's locker when he went to the Saints, remember that? Turns out he needed money in a pinch!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Davis's travails this season fall on the offense and not the player. When he got in the game he had to stay in a help the O-line block. His blocking improved significantly after the whiff on the EP. In '09, when given the opportunity he balled out. He has more TDs than Cooley over the last three seasons with approximately as many catches and yards as Cooley had this past season.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 9, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Should we use less schtick to try and get our comments used?

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:16 PM

No way monk! Remember Toledo? We need to lay low for a while.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

That's right, I almost forgot. We'd better start using our alias names, Patty!
I'm too young to go to the Sock Puppet Drawer in the Sky!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

He isn't consistent from game to game

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 1:47 PM

Aside from a few stinkers where nobody did anything...this was actually one of his most consistent seasons game to game from him in a while that I can remember.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand

Davis's travails this season fall on the offense and not the player.


I agree.

But I think the 2-tight end offense isn't better than 'bunch sets' and 'double slot sets' where fast guys get openly quickly to receive passes in 3/5 step plays.

We have a mediocre o-line, but let our quarterback drop back 5-7 steps and max protect with guys who should be running patterns.

Who does that and wins?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm on the side for keeping Moss at or around 3yrs 15 mill. Moss should perform at a high enough level over that period to warrant that contract. It will also be interesting to see how the Skins address the WR position. If they look to get a true #1 this offseason, then #10 could be Julio Jones. If they think with improved play from th qb position and better all around understanding of the offense a developmental player who can contribute on special teams, then a mid round prospect like Greg Little might be in order.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

And beep-beep, I don't think Fred Davis is lazy or an underachiever or a serial oversleeper or whatever. I'm just trying to come up with an explanation for why the perception of him as such endures.

(I do think that even when he's played well that has been diminished by being a part of crummy teams. But that's beside the point. Or maybe it's entirely the point, since I'm talking about perception.)

(Or maybe my brain is fried by the book I'm currently reading and I need to switch to something lighter.)

(Panties.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm too young to go to the Sock Puppet Drawer in the Sky!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 1:53 PM

Old Grandpa Slipper always told me stories about the unlimited number of moth balls and all you can drink fabric softener up there...doesn't sound too bad to me.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

moe, Gronk, and Hernandez had the benefit of one of the GOAT, Brady throwing them the ball....hitting them in stride....which is why they had such successful seasons...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 9, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Who does that and wins?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 1:57 PM

The 'Skins to the tune of 6.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 9, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Sign Moss, sign Larry Fitzgerald next year and pray to your deity that MK12's injury plagued pass is behind him.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Today's BEST name for your first born son:

Pakistan's Banned Salman Butt Turns TV Expert

I wonder if a kid with such a name can keep his displeasure behind him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Aside from a few stinkers where nobody did anything...this was actually one of his most consistent seasons game to game from him in a while that I can remember.

Posted by: PlayAction


True. You don't catch 93 passes being inconsistent.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

btw, I'm not watching this.

And we need a really good 1, or an GREAT 2.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

That's right AN great TWO.

I'm off to play the gran pyahno.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Red, anything we get from Malcolm Kelly is gravy at this point. My expectations for him are nil.

The notion that he might be part of our WR plan ("what's the plan?") is curious to me. I'd say it's even odds he gets cut vs. making the roster this fall.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Also, I still love Ryan Clark and Leigh Torrence as much as the next guy, but the player we never shoulda let go was Antonio Pierce.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd say it's even odds he gets cut vs. making the roster this fall.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 2:09 PM

Likelihood of making roster = 10%
Likelihood of getting cut = 10%
Likelihood of injury settlement = 80%

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

nate, go kick rocks barefoot....2001 called, it wants its angst back....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 9, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Likelihood of making roster = 10%
Likelihood of getting cut = 10%
Likelihood of injury settlement = 80%

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 2:12 PM

I'll go get my coin...

...it's Heads.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Gronk, and Hernandez had the benefit of one of the GOAT, Brady throwing them the ball....hitting them in stride....


Still, Gronk and Hernandez and Kansas City's Moeki, Green Bay's Quarles/Finley can flat out run for guys their size.

If you notice, the league's elite tight ends--Witten, Clark, Gates, Gonzalez, Pettigrew--all run way better than CC and FD.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Re-sign Santana. He's the best we have and he knows the playbook. Sure dude drops balls but he also makes plays.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

moe, yes and no, I think the fact that teams could dictate how the redskins ran their offense because of the lack of playmakers had something to do with that...the middle of the field was always clogged with defenders....seemed like there was never any room for these guys to flat out run....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 9, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

nate, go kick rocks barefoot....2001 called, it wants its angst back....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 9, 2011 2:14 PM

How dare you?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If you notice, the league's elite tight ends--Witten, Clark, Gates, Gonzalez, Pettigrew--all run way better than CC and FD.

Posted by: MistaMoe

So at first the knock on Davis was that he couldn't stay awake. Then he didn't know the plays, then it was he couldn't block, then it was he can't catch...


Now he can't run?

Seriously?

C'mon Moe, Davis can "run" with all those guys with Gates being the exception. He isn't as slim as Gates, but he just as athletic, if not more than, most of those guys you listed.


And you forgot to add Mercedes Lewis to your list. That dude is about the same size as Mike Sellers and averaged over 12 yards a catch on 58 receptions.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 2:16 PM

I don't know Moe. I think FD can run with the guys you listed. As far as Gronk and Hernandez go, did you notice that they never had a good games together? The Pats would feature one or the other in the game plan and let him work. The Skins could have done that to keep teams off balance in coverage.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 9, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Coin toss: Is Malcolm Kelly better than Marko Mitchell?

Coin toss: How could Vinny draft 3 pass catchers in the 2nd round 2008 draft and none of them can manage to start on a WR-depleted team?

Coin toss: After recently expressing his desire that McNabb start at QB next season, how long before Dan Snyder goes all Al Davis on Mike Shanahan?

Coin toss: Will Mike Shanahan lean towards younger talent on offense this offseason, or lean towards aged veterans (e.g., Joey Galloway, Larry Johnson, & "Fast" Willie Parker)?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Those who like to still bash him in spite of all of that, THAT is where I get the whole: "Yezz'a boss? Should I do dat nu jig for ya boss, want me to smile atcha boss" -- because if you supposedly "dislike" Santana Moss, there really isn't a practical reason I can think of other than the "Big eyed smiling and dancing black man routine when talking to 'boss'" bit.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 1:02 PM

Does this mean you think people dislike Moss because he does the "big eyed smiling and dancing black man routine when talking to the 'boss'" bit...or because he refuses to? And who is playing the part of "the boss"?

I think if Bruce Allen can get him signed for the reasonable 3 year, $15 million, $5 mil guaranteed deal that's been discussed it would be a great move. It's not a rebuilding move, but it's not going to derail our rebuild either. We're going to need some weapons for whoever draws the short straw and ends up under center the next few seasons while we bring along some young players.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Old Grandpa Slipper always told me stories about the unlimited number of moth balls and all you can drink fabric softener up there...doesn't sound too bad to me.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, those were the days. But I remember his stories about the Sock Puppet Furnace below, and how bad little puppets get sent there to be chewed by dogs all day, are put on fat chick's feet all day, and lost in the dryer, FOREVER!!!
He sure scared me straight with those stories!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Red, anything we get from Malcolm Kelly is gravy at this point. My expectations for him are nil.

The notion that he might be part of our WR plan ("what's the plan?") is curious to me. I'd say it's even odds he gets cut vs. making the roster this fall.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 2:09 PM
------------------------------------------
Shanahan needs that big possession receiver and he is hoping MK is it. Even if the guy stays healthy I would say, for being a big guy, he still doesn't know how to use his body to shield the catch or muscle the ball away from defenders. Maybe Shanny saw something he could fix in Kelly, but I am with you: my expectations are nil.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Santana had a few big drops last year. He is not as fast as he was either, and his age means that he is unlikely to withstand too much punishment over the course of a season.

That said, if he'll resign with us for a reasonable price, then it would be good to have him back. He is a solid player and should work well in the slot for a few more years. What we need is a genuine number one receiver.

Vincent Jackson would be ideal, if he were not a multiple DUI knucklehead who wants mega money without the putting up the sort of stats that would justify being paid like a top receiver. Jackson is just the sort of player Snyder has reputation for signing. Hopefully Danny will show some of his new found "maturity" and resist the temptation to splurge on players with lots of talent but no character.

I can't see any really good WRs being available in FA, but there are some nice players out there who are better than anyone we currently have (apart from Moss). Steve Breaston would be worth a look, if he doesn't look for outrageous money.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | February 9, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean you think people dislike Moss because he does the "big eyed smiling and dancing black man routine when talking to the 'boss'" bit...or because he refuses to? And who is playing the part of "the boss"?


a) Neither. You missed my point I wasn't making myself clear. Some people rather an athlete just shut up and entertain them. If they attempt to have an opinion on anything, they're generalized as "the typical hood rich thug". Also, you can bet they'll have a thing or two to say about their grammar skills.

b) Every and anyone who just wants an athlete to just shut up and "smile" at them while doing a bug eyed jig with whistling to boot.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I think FD can run with the guys you listed.

If he can run and is a so-so pass blocker, Team Shanahan fails as it's not using an asset in a manner in-keeping with its design.

Davis then should be split or 'flexed,' not blocking in line while Roydell Williams is running 15 yard out cuts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I can never get enough of a good bug eyed jig...whistling or no whistling.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

He sure scared me straight with those stories!

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 2:41 PM

Too funny...you know he was just f'ing with us though...Grandpa Slipper was a damn drunk....amazing we turned out normal.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Davis then should be split or 'flexed,' not blocking in line while Roydell Williams is running 15 yard out cuts.

Posted by: MistaMoe


Couldn't agree more. Would like to see him shed about 5-7 pounds and become a down field threat.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

A motivated Plexico should be in whatever plans are being made for wr in 2011

Posted by: coparker5 | February 9, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=6104356

A big fat Nelson-style "HA! HA!" goes out to Jerry Frickin' Jones and his fiasco of a Superbowl.

On the bright side, the fans should be pleased that the stadium didn't topple over in a stiff wind and paralyze them...

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Too funny...you know he was just f'ing with us though...Grandpa Slipper was a damn drunk....amazing we turned out normal.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

You wonder why he was drunk all the time, he was soaked in that barrell of moonshine for months, never could get the stink off of him....

Posted by: monk811 | February 9, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Go get Julio Jones!

Posted by: hbu_dog | February 9, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The best Free Agent the skins can get for their needs is Logan Mankins, solid interior offensive lineman. Haloti Ngata would be the best addition on defense at DT. If healthy, they should go after Steve Breaston at WR and not the hype players.

Posted by: 4472jon | February 9, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't agree more. Would like to see him shed about 5-7 pounds and become a down field threat.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 2:53 PM

Of Davis' 21 receptions this year, 3 landed him in the end zone and a 4th was the team's 2nd longest reception of the season (71 yards stopped at the 3 yard line).

Davis is already a downfield threat, but he looked like an offensive tackle running down the field and could probably stand to drop about 10 lbs.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=6104356

A big fat Nelson-style "HA! HA!" goes out to Jerry Frickin' Jones and his fiasco of a Superbowl.

On the bright side, the fans should be pleased that the stadium didn't topple over in a stiff wind and paralyze them...

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2011 3:03 PM
-------------------------------------------
It is unimaginable how an organization like the NFL could let something like this happen. This goes way beyond incompetence. How could you sell seats and then not have them ready? It is just crazy and I suspect there is a lot more to this story than we are being told.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry everyone, I am going to cruise the local high school bus stops for chicks with my boy Mark Sanchez.

Catch you all at prom.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 9, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Point of order for the Washington Post editors: Anytime you put "Redskins" and "what's the plan?" in the same sentence the movable type gremlins will take over and start automatically filling in the reader comments sections with random phrases such as:

- What plan? Is there a plan? What's a plan? Whose plan? Are we planning to make a plan? Why plan? etc., etc.

- And then somebody in the Redskins front office will get wind of the question and mobilize their sock puppets to start submitting comments to assure everyone that regardless of team standing, performance or results, every Redskins home game next season and beyond will be a sell-out -- and the season ticket waiting list will remain as long as ever, while the team itself will be even more profitable and lucrative than ever before.

- Eventually, somebody will pipe up a comment or two to the effect of: "We don't need no stinking plan," or "Why mess with a winning formula?"

And then off-season dialogue about team planning will reset itself the same way as every year before under team owner Dan Snyder:

- With the recurring promise that the team will eventually find enough quality players to able to contend within its division.

- That one year, perhaps even some magic year in our own lifetimes, the team may even win more games than it loses.

- That this year, as in every year before it, team owner Dan Snyder has finally learned the lessons of his past 12 years of failure -- and will do something different this time.

- And in the meantime, let's focus on what really matter -- like evaluating next year's practice squad players and trying to "earn" an even higher place in the next round or two of the college drafts.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 9, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Also stop mentioning Steve Smith (NYG) and Sidney Rice unless your prepared to give up a draft pick. They are both UFAs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 1:24 PM |

Sorry that should read RFA not UFA

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Good luck PF...but none of the hot chicks take the bus...Mark should know this?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry everyone, I am going to cruise the local high school bus stops for chicks with my boy Mark Sanchez.

Catch you all at prom.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 9, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Tell Dudley Dawson I said hi.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 9, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 9, 2011 3:16 PM

Is there news about Sanchez that makes this make sense?

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

But PA, if you ride the bus enough... THOSE chicks start to look hot.

..you're perspectives shift.

'sall good.

..ish.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Disturbing stat of the day:

Since Dan Snyder bought the Redskins 12 years ago, they've had exactly 3 winning seasons:

his very 1st season of ownership (Norval was promptly fired mid-season the following year), and 2 seasons under Gibbs 2.0.

We are indeed a loyal fan base!

And Gibbs should get a second induction in the HOF.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 9, 2011 3:16 PM

Is there news about Sanchez that makes this make sense?

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 3:27 PM

Yeah...it broke yesterday that Sanchez met a 17 YR old HS chick at a club and has been "dating" her.

17 is legal in NY/NJ. Just not very "tasteful"

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

dizzle44

17 is legal in NY/NJ. Just not very "tasteful"

The law reads that if she's 14 and your cousin, well, that's okay, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

P,P,P,Pen1s and the Jettttsssssss!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

It's "unsavory"..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Another Redskins v. Gaints game?

from NFL.com:

Simms regrets confrontation, still upset with Desmond Howard


CBS' lead NFL analyst Phil Simms said during a radio interview Monday that he was "sorry" for his near brawl with ESPN college football analyst Desmond Howard during the run-up to Super Bowl XLV in Dallas.

But the former New York Giants quarterback said he's upset that Howard then posted about their altercation on his Twitter account.

Speaking with Chris "Mad Dog" Russo of SiriusXM satellite radio on Monday, and reported via USA Today, Simms said he regretted the encounter with Howard, a fellow former Super Bowl MVP, at the NFL Experience. Howard's critical remarks about Simms' son Matt, a University of Tennessee quarterback, raised the elder Simms' hackles.

"It's over," Simms said. "And, you know, and I'm sorry. I really, I mean this, I'm sorry it happened. I really am because even if it remained private, there's still nothing gained. So I've learned another lesson."

Howard wrote on his Twitter account: "At NFL-Xperience and Phil Simms just threatened 2 hit me b/c I said his son was 1 of the worse QBs in the SEC. I told him 'LET'S GO!'"

Howard's willingness to recount the episode immediately to the masses "annoyed" Simms.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Disturbing stat of the day:

Since Dan Snyder bought the Redskins 12 years ago, they've had exactly 3 winning seasons

Posted by: Alan4 | February 9, 2011 3:29 PM

Equally disturbing is that it has felt like a lot longer than 12 years!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 9, 2011 3:16 PM

Is there news about Sanchez that makes this make sense?

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 3:27 PM

Yeah...it broke yesterday that Sanchez met a 17 YR old HS chick at a club and has been "dating" her.

17 is legal in NY/NJ. Just not very "tasteful"

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 3:30 PM

Sanchez is going to have to keep a stiff upper lip while all of this is sorted out.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

It's "unsavory"..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 3:38 PM

This coming from a guy who says that he'd be willing to "hit" Sarah Jessica Parker. That's unsavory.

A random high school hottie? Hope it's not my daughter -- unless she can get me some good tix.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Depends where you live, I guess.

Over in Wild Wonderful Almost Heaven, I used to date some 17 year-old HS chicks -- and they weren't jail bait since I was the pretty much the same age myself -- and contrary to rumor, it wasn't my sister neither.

Of course, I sort of grew up and got over that sort of thing when I went off to college...

Now I'm a Redskins fan.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 9, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

P,P,P,Pen1s and the Jettttsssssss!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2011 3:38 PM |

Sexy and 17 - Stray Cats

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 9, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Lol - PF

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

If you're 21, why would you want to mess with a female that is under 21?

When I turned 21 I wanted to only date women I could have a drink with. Not get busted with for distributing to a minor. I don't even go to place that are "18 to chill, 21 to spill".


Young joints, while easily manipulated are very stupid and immature. Only good for the "Wham, Bam, thanks for being a sultt, ma'am".

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

While I hope Moss comes back, IMO it needs to be absolutely no more than a 2 year deal....which he won't take. Therefore, I think he leaves. There is a ton of potential talent on the FA market this year at receiver, and there are some interesting draft prospects.

With potentially Sidney Rice, V. Jax, M. Floyd, Breaston, James Jones, Edwards, Holmes, D. Hagan (who torched us twice this year), Jacoby Jones, Legedu Naanee, Mike Sims-Walker, and a draft with Julio Jones, AJ Green, Randall Cobb, Torrey Smith, Tandon Smith, Leonard Hankerson, Jonathon Baldwin, Titus Young, Austin Pettis there are simply too many options to pay Santana big money or long years or both. IMO we'll sign one or two of the FA guys and draft one guy in the later rounds. Maybe even one in the second round if Phil Taylor is off the board.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 9, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

It's funny: Every coin toss, literal or figurative, that I've ever witnessed has been between two choices.

And never was it expected that anyone would give a dissertation.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 9, 2011 1:48 PM

The coin toss here is not that kind of coin toss. The coin is worth a poster's "my two cents" ... and we thrown them at each other.

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Simms regrets confrontation, still upset with Desmond Howard

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 3:40 PM

Desmond Howard 2
Phil Simms 0

Did Desmond Howard go into the HOF as a Redskin or as a Detroit Lion.

Redskins chose him with the 4th pick in the draft. Thanks, Vinny.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse


It's "unsavory"..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 3:38 PM

This coming from a guy who says that he'd be willing to "hit" Sarah Jessica Parker. That's unsavory.

A random high school hottie? Hope it's not my daughter -- unless she can get me some good tix.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 3:43 PM

Of course I would, I've had much better and much worse. Although in the F-M-K scenario nobody had the balls to weigh in.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is going to have to keep a stiff upper lip while all of this is sorted out.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 3:41 PM

Hard to keep that lip stiff when you get a Dirty Sanchez.

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

But PA, if you ride the bus enough... THOSE chicks start to look hot.

..you're perspectives shift.

'sall good.

..ish.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2011 3:27 PM

Thats true...PF ain't riding no bus though...me neither...Sanchez probably does...yeah he would ride the bus.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

What's your opinion on the wide receiver situation?

By Washington Post editors | February 9, 2011; 12:12 PM ET

Simple, draft a power running back to complement Torain. Two good RBs are easier to sustain than one good WR and a couple more adequate ones. Besides, Grossman is not made to be a QB in a "passing" offense.

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Howard's willingness to recount the episode immediately to the masses "annoyed" Simms


True, Howard didn't have to run to twitter to gossip about his encounter with Simms, but Simms acted like a total jackass and deserves all the bad press he's getting over it.

Someone ought to remind Simms what his profession is.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Young joints, while easily manipulated are very stupid and immature. Only good for the "Wham, Bam, thanks for being a sultt, ma'am".

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2011 3:46 PM

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2011 3:40 PM

Simms has long been regarded as having a short fuse. I didn't realize he also belonged on the short bus. Howard (who was right about his kid) said that about 2 months ago. That's not enough time to cool off? Being in the media, he doesn't realize Howard is paid to be interesting, and that requires criticism? Does he think Howard tweeting is the only reason news got out? It was at the Super Bowl for Pete's sake. Evidently...you can't say anything Simms doesn't like w/o finding yourself on the business end of one his hissy fits and, after you do, you have to keep it under your hat. These are lessons Phil Simms is still learning at 50whatever he is?! I'm sure he is sorry. He made a fool of himself.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Dude, this will be tough to say without looking like a braggart - but many in here already consider me that so what the hell.

Growing up, I nailed every hot chick in my school and even the surrounding high schools. I eventually gave up nailing hot teens for college-aged and older chicks because no matter how hot a 17 year old is, there are things they just don't know and/or aren't willing to try. Not to mention the finer points of feminine hygiene at that age, no matter the hotness. A rich, 24 year old has some serious problems to even be attracted to, let alone boinking a teenage chick.

The funny thing is though, with her dad as a hedge fund manager, she's richer than him. Even a guy like Hanesworth is a broke bum next to a hedge fund manager pulling down 50 mil a year.

On the other side of that, I know and have met more than a few NFL'ers and to a man, they are all still on a high school level of maturity anyway, despite the facade they don in public. Get a few drinks in em, even a guy like Favre, and they all still think they're the high school BMOC.

It may be technically legal, but if that's my daughter, Sanchez is found dead.

BOOK THAT SH*T!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 9, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Although in the F-M-K scenario nobody had the balls to weigh in.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 3:51 PM

Perhaps they thought they really had to follow through with it. I didn't like or didn't know the choices.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I think we can all agree DHow is a total tool. That doesn't mean he was wrong to criticize Chris Simms in general.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Simple, draft a power running back to complement Torain. Two good RBs are easier to sustain than one good WR and a couple more adequate ones. Besides, Grossman is not made to be a QB in a "passing" offense.

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 3:53 PM

Need speed not power. Torain is the thunder just need us some lightning. RBs can be found, no need to draft (this YR).

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is going to have to keep a stiff upper lip while all of this is sorted out.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 3:41 PM

Hard to keep that lip stiff when you get a Dirty Sanchez.

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 3:51 PM

dude, if you stepped on my joke any harder you'd have to scrape it off your shoe.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps they thought they really had to follow through with it. I didn't like or didn't know the choices.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 3:56 PM

S.J Parker
Janeane Garofalo
Tori Spelling

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Need speed not power. Torain is the thunder just need us some lightning. RBs can be found, no need to draft (this YR).

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 4:00 PM

I'm saying that a top RB (like Mikel Leshoure) at a level above or at least at the same level as Torain. RBs are only good for about four years (which means one of the two in an elite tandems needs to be re-stocked every two years), and a return to the running game can happen right away and still put fans in the seats for the time period necessary to learn up a new QB and assemble a credible cast of receivers.

Scheme, schmeme ... Skins need the personnel before they can be serious with the passing game.

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 4:02 PM

Ughhh....did Tori get daddys money?

F S.J Parker
K Janeane Garofalo
M Tori Spelling

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

P,P,P,Pen1s and the Jettttsssssss!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2011 3:38 PM |

Sexy and 17 - Stray Cats

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 9, 2011 3:44 PM |

More like:

P-P-P-Pedi and the Jets!

(Short for pedophile)

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 9, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

sween- Leshoure might be the 2nd RB off the board. You want to use our 2nd RD on a RB??

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

dude, if you stepped on my joke any harder you'd have to scrape it off your shoe.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 9, 2011 4:01 PM

Sorry man, I should refrain from jumping in at the middle of a pile on before I read every post building up to it. My bad. [I'm so embarrassed ... now I feel like I have the comedic subtley and nuance skills of beep beep.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

trade for Neihmiah Broughton...rb problems solved...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 9, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Sign him! He did great in Shanny's scheme, and he is really needed on the team. He was 10th in total yards - better than Desean Jackson, Miles Austin, Brandon Marshall, Colston, T.O., Whitten and a slew of others. Also 4th in total receptions. He's steady, calm and a real player. We need his help for 2011 - no doubt.

Posted by: bsdman | February 9, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm so embarrassed

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 4:14 PM

Don't be sween...I didn't get the joke until you interjected....thanks!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 9, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Ughhh....did Tori get daddys money?
F S.J Parker
K Janeane Garofalo
M Tori Spelling
Posted by: PlayAction

Yes, she did.

Can I marry Tori and then kill her? If that violates the rules I guess I would go with PA's list.

For those dissing SJP earlier, please note that she still looks great from behind. The face may have gone all Mrs. Ed, but like Nicolette Sheridan's you can always bury it in a pillow.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 9, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

now I feel like I have the comedic subtley and nuance skills of beep beep.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 4:14 PM

Oooh! Another of dcsween's stinging girlie slaps! Where'd you get this one -- your daughter's Facebook page?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

sween- Leshoure might be the 2nd RB off the board. You want to use our 2nd RD on a RB??

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2011 4:09 PM

Mostly yes, but maybe not necessarily at the #10 spot in the second round. I'm convinced that the first round pick should be one of the stud DE or 3-4 OLB candidates (to bookend with Orakpo), but that Skins will miss out on Von Miller ... so I'm hoping they can trade down a few spots and remain within range of the DL/OLB posse. If they can't, but instead get into the part of the first round that has top C/G candidates AND make that pick, then I agree that the second round pick at #10 should be the NT/DE rather than RB. But if they were unable to move down in either round AND able to get the top flight bookend for Orakpo in the first round, then Lashoure would cure alot of what ails us. [I admit that my thinking has been influenced by Moe's rap about just needing to keep the same O-line together for an extended period of time ... so I'm willing to concede that penciling in Rabach and Montgomery for another year is not necessarily the end of the world.] The move to add more offensive line coaching from a high powered running team would be consistent with Moe's rap plus a serious RB tandem like in Oakland or Carolina.

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Where'd you get this one -- your daughter's Facebook page?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 9, 2011 4:25 PM

Probably ... but I'm pretty sure she got it off Sanchez's Facebook page ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post... move it on over...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Pass on Braylon Edwards, he drops passes like Santana Moss. Let Moss go elsewhere, this team has already wasted too much money on him.

Posted by: scg1055 | February 10, 2011 2:32 AM | Report abuse

I have been a Redskin fan since the middle of the last century. I finally have figured out what the problem with the Redskins since Dan Snyder bought the team. Dan was a big fan and when he reads the fan's comments on all the blogs he is influenced by their comments. I hope that now that he has real football minds running the show he will not waste his time being influenced by what is expressed here. Today some many of our responders are saying "Don't resign Santana Moss who will be 30" who happened to have finished 2nd in the NFC in receptions this year, but draft an unknown commodity or take a free agent with huge baggage and lower results that what MOSS produced, just because he is younger than Moss. This is irrational thinking. You have to look at all the factors not just age. Sign Moss for 5 years with a clause to terminate the contract if he doesn't reach annual numbers. I see no reason to drop a high performer for an unknown. Moss's yards per catch was lower than it should have been because of the guy throwing the ball at his feet hense eliminating YAC.

Posted by: kutzintl | February 10, 2011 5:45 AM | Report abuse

RE-SIGN MOSS!! What the hell are you guys thinking who say he's expendable?? I don't think he is a bona fide #1 receiver but he is a very good receiver and his numbers would be much better if there was someone else that opposing defenses had to stop first. I don't think its a coincidence that he had a really good year this year with the emergence of a downfield threat in AA. 3 years 15 mil sounds about right

Posted by: scottmando1 | February 10, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Vincent Jackson, Sidney Rice, James Jones and Steve Breston, whoevers an un-restricted free agent thats who the Skins should go after.

Posted by: jkl019 | February 10, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

We can get one reciever through FA then we must draft another young guy to groom for future. Is Moss worth bringing back? I say yes. He's been a true Redskin through all the mess going on around here. Never hear complaints he just goes out and performs his job. I say bring him back! Bring back Donovan also to save face so other FA might want to come here for more then just Dannyboys money!

Posted by: KDK2564 | February 10, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

We can get one reciever through FA then we must draft another young guy to groom for future. Is Moss worth bringing back? I say yes. He's been a true Redskin through all the mess going on around here. Never hear complaints he just goes out and performs his job. I say bring him back! Bring back Donovan also to save face so other FA might want to come here for more then just Dannyboys money!

Posted by: KDK2564 | February 10, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Cut all the WRs and start fresh! We are gonna suck anyway lets just rebuild the entire offense.

Posted by: dwilcox2 | February 10, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Agree WR is a sore spot. Armstrong looks to be promising. Moss just keeps on ticking. Really like him in the slot. Malcolm Kelly, please. It seems like every year we are talking about this being his breakout year coming up. Terrence Austin should have a shot. He is not Malcolm Kelly yet? The article about Branch putting on some weight. Would like to see if he can fit into the rotation. He is just so light, easy to knock him off his routes and would not like him injured. Just too much fun watching him on punt returns. Going for a FA wideout sounds like fun, but rather see the resources put into the running game.

Posted by: TwoCents5 | February 10, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Julio Jones. Guy is a stud

Posted by: hrt22 | February 11, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Build through the draft.Don't sign anymore high priced free agents.Let's not have another Haynesworth debacle.

Posted by: ruru2000 | February 12, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Time to give a serious look at someone in our in own backyard ... Torrey Smith!

A dynamic playmaker ...solves our WR, KR, and PR needs.

Torrey is big, strong, has great hands, and speed to burn!

Posted by: mi6-007 | February 15, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Post a Comment

We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features.

User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site. Additionally, entries that are unsigned or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author will be removed. Finally, we will take steps to block users who violate any of our posting standards, terms of use or privacy policies or any other policies governing this site. Please review the full rules governing commentaries and discussions.




characters remaining

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2011 The Washington Post Company