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The Redskins' wide receivers: another breakdown

With practice pushed back until this afternoon, there's no news yet on whether Albert Haynesworth returned to work out or whether Malcolm Kelly has taken his customary spot on the sidelines, running through agility drills and trying to strengthen his balky hamstring.

So why not talk more about what, perhaps, is the most intriguing storyline in a training camp full of them? Welcome to yet another look at the wide receiver group.

I wrote about the receivers for Tuesday's paper. JReid then followed with a post on who's likely to make the team. But I also have a bunch of leftover stuff that didn't make either of those venues. So, at the risk of overkill ...

Much of the focus, since last week's 42-17 preseason victory over Buffalo, has been on Brandon Banks, the undrafted player out of Kansas State who stands only 5-foot-7 -- if you believe the roster. Banks, of course, returned a punt 77 yards, a feat Mike Shanahan said afterward wasn't surprising. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, earlier this week, said almost the same thing -- and both were talking about Banks's ability not as a returner, but as a receiver.

"He's been great," Kyle Shanahan said. "That's the only knock I have on him is if you look at his height on paper. He plays big. The guy's fearless. He doesn't flinch when contact's there. He runs through the ball. He can run good routes. He's as fast as anyone I've seen."

A nice place to start. This, of course, does not mean that Banks has made the team. But neither Shanahan is the kind of person who idly throws out compliments. And there's more.

"If you can have the right mentality, I think being small can be a huge advantage in this league," Kyle Shanahan said. "Your legs are always under you, so you're usually quicker and more balanced. If you've got the turnover speed, you look at some of these guys who are small, most of them who are talented and tough enough are some of the best guys in this league."

An endorsement, no doubt. There is some discussion, of course, about how many of the undersized receivers the Redskins could keep. Santana Moss (5-10, 209 pounds) is already on the team. Banks (listed at 5-7, 150) will be battling seventh-round pick Terrence Austin (5-11, 172) and former practice squad guy Anthony Armstrong (5-11, 182) for a spot on the roster. Don't forget Armstrong caught Donovan McNabb's only touchdown pass against the Bills, and expect Austin to get some time as a punt returner coming up.

"What they did in the game didn't change my opinion at all," Kyle Shanahan said of Austin and Armstrong. "I think we have high expectations for both of them. We think Armstrong's going to be a good player. We took Terrence because we think he can play in this league, and both of them showed that they're what we thought they were.

"You never know until you get in a game, and Armstrong's never had a career catch, and we threw it to him, and he didn't blink. He made a good play on the goal line, a tough catch. He was running around there. He didn't get many more opportunities but we could tell the game wasn't too big for him.

"Terrence, to go in there as a rookie, his first game, he played like he wasn't scared at all. He didn't flinch. That's what you want to see from those guys."

Though Mike Shanahan is adamant that performance in practice is a huge part of the evaluation process, most players believe that some of the less-hyped candidates for jobs -- and given the way they came into the league, Banks, Austin and Armstrong would fall into that category -- must perform in preseason games to truly be noticed. Veteran Bobby Wade, a veteran fighting for one of those same spots, was a fifth-round pick by the Chicago Bears in 2003, and he went through the same process.

"That is the absolute only way a lot of these guys are going to get a real chance," Wade said. "I think Banks, in particular, came in with high expectations of being a big return guy, and for him to be able to put that on film his first game is just outstanding for him. I think he definitely gave himself an opportunity. But that said, this league is a what you've done for me lately league, so you got to continue to repeat yourself each week with good opportunities."

Wade, too, must take that same attitude. He and Roydell Williams -- who is playing special teams for the first time in his career in an effort to make the squad -- have what Banks, Austin and Armstrong don't: NFL experience. At 29 and headed into what he hopes will be his eighth year in the league, he's already wondering if it will be his last chance. So he said he had to have the same attitude as those little-known, undrafted guys -- even though he has 244 career catches.

"I think I've always tried to pride myself on re-establishing myself each year, especially just being my size and how I came into the league and everything like that," said Wade, who is 5-10, 195. "I wasn't a high draft choice or anything like that, so it's always been fighting, for me, for every opportunity."

We are now 900 words into a post on Redskins receivers, and Devin Thomas's name hasn't come up. Thomas had three catches against Buffalo, the biggest a 44-yard touchdown reception from backup quarterback Rex Grossman. Aside from that, he has a distinct advantage over his draft-classmate, Kelly: He's been on the field. He'll be on the field Saturday night against Baltimore, as Kelly watches again.

Joey Galloway, 38, will also be on the field again Saturday, likely lining up opposite Moss with the starting group. Galloway has made just 20 of his 689 career catches in the past two seasons, but he is a favorite of Redskins General Manager Bruce Allen -- both were in Tampa Bay from 2004-08.

So, once again, this debate seems ripe, and there will be more to discuss after Saturday night. As a final refresher, though, here's a list of the Redskins receivers and their measurements. Feel free to lay out the five or six you think will make the team and why.

Player, Height, Weight, Years in NFL, Catches

Anthony Armstrong, 5-11, 182, 1, 0

Terrence Austin, 5-11, 172, 0, 0

Brandon Banks, 5-7, 150, 0, 0

Mike Furrey, 6-0, 190, 7, 221

Joey Galloway, 5-11, 200, 15, 689

Shay Hodge, 6-2, 218, 0, 0

Malcolm Kelly, 6-4, 226, 2, 28

Santana Moss, 5-10, 209, 9, 500

Devin Thomas, 6-2, 223, 2, 40

Bobby Wade, 5-10, 195, 7, 244

Roydell Williams, 6-0, 180, 3, 84

By Barry Svrluga  |  August 18, 2010; 11:13 AM ET
Categories:  Devin Thomas , Malcolm Kelly , Santana Moss , wide receivers  
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I think I'm hoping the Ravens serve the Redskins a large (injury-free) slice of humble pie Saturday night. Pre Season Week 2 is the perfect time for it. A team with this many veterans will put it in the right perspective and use it as fuel for the fire for the 3 weeks leading up to September 12. If whipping the Bills was good for confidence, having the tables turned on them this week could be even more helpful.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 7:57 AM

It's important that you view this next pre-season game in the proper context. Most here may or may not be aware that Baltimore ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS wants to WIN pre-season games versus Washington. It's part of their inferiority complex. I know this first hand from having lived in downtown Baltimore for a few years. It's actually pretty funny because they believe there is a real rivalry between Baltimore and Washington and it really p's them of to hear that no one in Washington even cares about them, like, at all.

The team and especially their fans consider a pre-season game against the Redskins to be essentially, a regular season game. I still go out in the Fells Point and Federal Hill areas of the city on occasion and I still hear talk about their SB win in 2000. Dude, 2000? Are you serious? I think the 'Skins beat them that year anyway.

I've had specific conversations where some IROC-driving, mullet-having, white trash loser in a purple Ray-Ray jersey is asking me about what all the chardonnay-sipping yuppies in DC think of their team. Without even looking over at the dude, I just say, "Um, we don't."

So, just like last year and other years, the Ravens are going to see this as a real game while the 'Skins are going to be assessing talent and execution-level in preparation for the season opener.

So have fun Raven fan. You can get your rat-tail trimmed, your IROC or Trans Am detailed and break out your very best acid-wash jeans to go with your Van Halen t-shirt and celebrate what might end up being a pre-season victory to rejuvenate your shrimpy little egos.

It's a pre-season game and you're gonna party like it's 1999 (or 2000 for that matter).

Have fun.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

**re-post**

Maybe its just me, but I actually was rooting for the ravens back in the 2000 playoffs, heck they are the closest AFC team we got. I just wish they would go to black jerseys and maybe that cool original logo they had on the helmet.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 18, 2010 11:08 AM |

I don't hate the Ravens, hell, I don't even care about them one way or the other. I was in Baltimore the year they were to play to Colts in the playoffs (I think) just a couple years ago and witnessed 2 drunk (I know, shocker) white trash Raven fans in purple jerseys (tucked into their black jeans, of course) ripping some old guy wearing a Colts jersey. The old guy didn't say a thing and was kind of scared until the guy's enraged son got in both their faces and informed them his dad was wearing an Art Donovan jersey and the guy was a life long Baltimore resident.

Lastly, re the old logo. They stole that. Some graphic design guy (look it up if you want) tried to sell them the design in 95 or 96 and the Ravens declined and stole the logo anyway. I think the dude won some money in court and the thieving Ravens had to change the logo from something cool to the head of a filthy crow. Nice history of your corrupt team management Raven fan.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"What if your hometown/state/region doesn't have an NFL team?"

Then you probably live in Dallas, Texas and post in a redskins' blog to express your frustrations.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse


Last week I posted a few comments about the Redskins that were not well received.

As I said before, I don't come from a position of hate when I comment on the Redskins. I come to your Insider blog as someone who has a little bit of a soft spot for you long-suffering, doe-eyed dreamers. Let's just call it a "There, but for the grace of God, go I" sort of thing.

That said, here are my observations from the Bills game:

Your starters on offense and defense looked like Harry Highschoolers and the next time Hall and Carter don't get fooled on basic misdirection plays will be the first. I will admit that your 2d, 3d and 4th teamers had decent performances. I would even go so far as to say that if the Redskins ever defected to the CFL, I would pencil them in as solid contenders for the Grey Cup based their subs' performances. Sadly, they're not in Canada.

In closing, I remind you that your 4-wheel bandwagon has at least two wheels missing. The Ravens games should convince even the dullest among you that you've got a long way to go. You are the proud owners of the worst thumping in NFL history, Bears over Redskins 73-0, and September 12 will remind you that very little has changed. Never forget where you come from.

Star Pride!


Posted by: BigBlueStar | August 18, 2010 8:17 AM

he-he-he. nice.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Good call on the lawsuit, NPI. IMO, the new logo is better than the old one though...that old garbage looked like someone's family crest...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Banks, definitely. Anyone who saw that return knows why.

Austin and Armstrong. Put it this way, Galloway, Furrey and Wade are one year rentals at best. Unless they are just vastly better than A and A, I say go with the yougn guys. Less injury risk, more upside.

Kelly. End of the line time here. Choices are IR or cut and maybe he is available later in the season if someone gets hurt. What good is a guy who can;t get on the ffield?

Thomas, Moss. Definitely in, but I would entertain a trade for Moss if someone was interested. We don't need all midgets and he is geting long in the tooth.

Posted by: Themightymeateater | August 18, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Banks, definitely. Anyone who saw that return knows why.

Austin and Armstrong. Put it this way, Galloway, Furrey and Wade are one year rentals at best. Unless they are just vastly better than A and A, I say go with the yougn guys. Less injury risk, more upside.

Kelly. End of the line time here. Choices are IR or cut and maybe he is available later in the season if someone gets hurt. What good is a guy who can;t get on the ffield?

Thomas, Moss. Definitely in, but I would entertain a trade for Moss if someone was interested. We don't need all midgets and he is getting long in the tooth.

Posted by: Themightymeateater | August 18, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

leave it to the tiny-brained p1funk to dictate that americans must root for a team based on proximity only (as if that's the only thing that matters in life) or they are suspect. you, sir, are a myopic, xenophobic moron. further, dallas didn't name themselves america's team. the nfl's media machine did. of course they could've have labeled the redskins "america's team", but, as fate would have it, at that time most of america didn't even know that washington still had a team because they were soooooo irrelevant. today's brief, albeit important, history lesson has just concluded.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 11:20 AM |


It makes me wonder what history was really like when people purposely recount it...selectively.

It's true, the NFL Films machine did title an episode/documentary on the Cowgirls "America's Team." But, they did not coin it, they merely perpetuated it as it was the Cowpies team management that proclaimed themselves that.

Please, if you're going to recount history, remember that we did in fact land on the moon, George Washington was our first president and the Dallas Cowbiotches DID in fact anoint themselves 'Americas Team'.

Now this concludes remedial history for morons 101.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse


Repost:

Second of all, where you live shouldn't matter in relation to whom you root for. If you're bandwagoning (like most D.C. area Dall-ass fans) that's one thing, but if you fall in love with a team that doesn't play in your town I don't see the problem. It's kinda weird, but I don't see the problem...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 11:03 AM

If you're bandwagoning (like most D.C. area Dall-ass fans)

You stated the problem right there, brown.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 11:22 AM |

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Not over kill Barry. It's an interesting group of players there, and you could make an argument for all the WR. Here is my .02 on the top six.

Moss
Thomas
Armstrong
Galloway/Williams
Kelly
Banks

If Kelly makes it, then Galloway. If not Roydell and Galloway will make the team.

Posted by: TWISI | August 18, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The redskin receiver as of 9.12.10:

S Moss

D Thomas

J Galloway

A Armstrong

B Banks

T Austin

? (the unexpected cut vet guy the skins will pick up)


practice squad:

Malcolm Kelly--why not?

All the guy has done in 3 years is practice.

Let's assign him to the one thing he's shown himself to be good at.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Question is, how many Wr's can they PUP... i guess the real question is how many players can a team PUP...

Furrey and Kelly may be put there, so not to lose them (via sport reporters yesterday who mentioned this as a possibility.

Saying that

Moss, Thomas, Williams (starters), Galloway, Austin and Banks.

Armstrong again on practice squad (if possible)

PUP means they cant play til week 6, so by that time, if they are healthy, then you make decisions on Banks and Austin. Have they produced to this point... If you squad these guys at this point in the season, they probably would stick... gives them 6 games of seasoning and the ability to be called back up.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | August 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Good call on the lawsuit, NPI. IMO, the new logo is better than the old one though...that old garbage looked like someone's family crest...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 11:26 AM |

TY Brown. To each their own. Personally, I teased Raven fan that I thought it looked like some Harley-Davidson ripoff logo.

LOL @ Family Crest.

Baltimore fan thinks crest is the toothpaste that they never use. I swear, B-More is the ugly, redheaded stepchild of DC.

Always will be.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, WAIT A MINUTE!

Did I read that headline right? Practice postponed due to a little rain? Cadavers have a lot of fears/problems (being worm-infested, turning into ashes/dust, etc.). Who knew rain was one of them? LMAO!!

The last time I looked, UPS Stadium was open to the elements. If it rains for the season opener, I guess the game will be 'postponed' and everybody can just stand around and watch Haynesgirth eat that huge mound of buttermilk biscuits we plan on planting in a very conspicuous spot near the end zone.

Anyhoo, ESPN reported that McNabb and the Deadskins are talking about a contract extension for McNabb, who hasn't done a thing in a Deadskins uniform. Proof positive that Danny Snyder is still in charge, not Tranny and Allen. Hell, I bet that Banks kid is about to ink the NFL's only fully guaranteed, multi-year contract based on his preseason performance against Buffalo! LMAO!!

Y'all are so funny!

Hell
To
The
Deadskins

Posted by: MrIrvin88

Don't the Cowgirls practice INDOORS? B/c they're sissys and can't stand the heat.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

If push comes to shove and Moss, Austin, Banks, and Armstrong all show they're in the top 6 of WRs at camp (with, say, Thomas and Galloway as the other two), does Shanahan keep all 4, despite their size?

That would be a dangerous group to go into a season with, both as a dynamic set against the defense and as a small-statured set likely prone to injuries over the rigors of a season.

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Last week I posted a few comments about the Redskins that were not well received.

As I said before, I don't come from a position of hate when I comment on the Redskins. I come to your Insider blog as someone who has a little bit of a soft spot for you long-suffering, doe-eyed dreamers. Let's just call it a "There, but for the grace of God, go I" sort of thing.

That said, here are my observations from the Bills game:

Your starters on offense and defense looked like Harry Highschoolers and the next time Hall and Carter don't get fooled on basic misdirection plays will be the first. I will admit that your 2d, 3d and 4th teamers had decent performances. I would even go so far as to say that if the Redskins ever defected to the CFL, I would pencil them in as solid contenders for the Grey Cup based their subs' performances. Sadly, they're not in Canada.

In closing, I remind you that your 4-wheel bandwagon has at least two wheels missing. The Ravens games should convince even the dullest among you that you've got a long way to go. You are the proud owners of the worst thumping in NFL history, Bears over Redskins 73-0, and September 12 will remind you that very little has changed. Never forget where you come from.

Star Pride!


Posted by: BigBlueStar | August 18, 2010 8:17 AM

he-he-he. nice.

Posted by: 10peterbilt

I have a question for all you dumba** cowgirls fans: what are you even bragging about anyway? you have done nothing to have anything to brag about.

Hey bigbluestar, why don't you break down the cowgirl's performance against the bengals and RAIDERS instead of OBSESSING over the Redskins? You all looked horrible in both games, your first team hasn't even scored a TD yet.

PLEASE just stop with the he-he-he.. you are about to have your manhood questioned.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Um - CowPatty Fans giving US reviews this season?

...here's a review - 0 offensive touchdowns. Dewchbaggz.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 18, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse


MrIrvin88 = ignoramus

Dude, you need new batteries for your vibrator !

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Don't the Cowgirls practice INDOORS? B/c they're sissys and can't stand the heat.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 11:36 AM |

At least none of the 'Skins coaches are at risk of being paralyzed by a shoddy, collapsing cover on their practice field.

Nice construction quality down there. You should be proud. How long until the tv falls on the field during a game at the Jerry Dome?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if this is a repost or not...
____________________________________________

Sorry - I can't get w/ the Ravens. I don't like the O's that much. Hated the Colts. Don't even like the Wizards so much, 'cause they're the Bullets and they're from Balmer.

It might be 'cause of all the reverse hate, I'm not sure.. maybe 'cause I've always been on the Beltway ('cept for those 25 yrs. in Miamuh!)...

No Sir. Don't like 'em.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 18, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

rachel, STOP COMMUNICATING WITH THEM....for the love of God would you stop...they only stay around for the reaction, which you READILY PROVIDE TO THEM....IGNORE them, and they'll go away....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 18, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

practice squad:

Malcolm Kelly--why not?

All the guy has done in 3 years is practice.

Let's assign him to the one thing he's shown himself to be good at.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 11:31 AM |

Don't think Kelly is eligible for the practice squad as he has a full year of NFL experience.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 18, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

IMO, other than Moss none of these options are proven commodities, all of them are gambles. That being the case, seems to me it would be wise to keep a vet either Galloway or Williams and then go with the youngens, if your going to be gambling anyway gamble on guys who have full careers left. They're talking about keeping 6 WR, here's my vote.

Moss
Galloway/Williams
Thomas
Armstrong
Austin
Banks

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 18, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Trade Moss!? Hatin on Baltimore!? At least they know what Old Bay is. Amature hour up in this piece.

Banks is still a long shot but if he can do that again (and in the 1st half) his chances increase significantly - it helps that Shanny is 5'7" too. And the owner. Seriously, 150 lbs, how will he respond to an extra 20 lbs on his frame?

The evaluation process is going to continue through the final snap of the last preseason game - we won't know about Banks, Austin and Armstrong until they play in the 1st half.

Roydell isn't getting much love here and he had that drop on Fri but I have a feeling he makes it at the expense of one of the three above.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | August 18, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I think it's too early to guess at WR cuts. Check back in a few weeks.

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

practice squad:

Malcolm Kelly--why not?

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 11:31 AM


For starters, because they are rules against who you can and can't put on the practice squad. And I'm pretty sure Kelly has already played too many games to qualify.

Plus we've wasted enough resources on this guy. Cut bait and move on...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 18, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

With shannys preference for vets, I can see them having 1/2 of their WR corps being rook or practice squad players.

They can stash armstrong there again, i would not do that with Banks or austin tho cause they mught get snapped up. Which means both galloway and williams make it.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | August 18, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

rachel, STOP COMMUNICATING WITH THEM....for the love of God would you stop...they only stay around for the reaction, which you READILY PROVIDE TO THEM....IGNORE them, and they'll go away....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 18, 2010 11:46 AM

Plan B: Rachel loves this stuff so much that she ought to go be a troll on a Dallas blog.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

If practice means so much in the equation what happens if(big IF) Kelly has a great game in these next two, do we end up keeping him even though others have practiced well?

if we do i hope its not at the expense of someone like Banks or Austin.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 18, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse


rachel, STOP COMMUNICATING WITH THEM....for the love of God would you stop...they only stay around for the reaction, which you READILY PROVIDE TO THEM....IGNORE them, and they'll go away....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 18, 2010 11:46 AM |

I don't know about you, bean, but I've got thick skin. I think these moron Cowboy fans are a good laugh. Besides, my guess is, they'll never go away. Just another reason to hate the Cowboy's.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse


Don't the Cowgirls practice INDOORS? B/c they're sissys and can't stand the heat.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 11:36 AM

the cowboys do practice indoors. but they still practice when it rains. i'll bet anybody on this blog that right now albert butterworth has just been bathed, fed, burped and is sleeping the sleep of the innocent. ironic?

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse


If practice means so much in the equation what happens if(big IF) Kelly has a great game in these next two, do we end up keeping him even though others have practiced well?

if we do i hope its not at the expense of someone like Banks or Austin.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 18, 2010 11:59 AM |

Kelly's gone, first cut.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I've been trying my damnedest to get people to ignore the sudden rash (in more ways than one) of Cowdung fans and ironically I'm getting ignored more than they are. Rachel's the worst because I honestly think she only comments on their stuff. Some people just can't be reached...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

what happens if(big IF) Kelly has a great game in these next two, do we end up keeping him even though others have practiced well?

Posted by: Stu27 | August 18, 2010 11:59 AM

Kelly's not going to have a great game. He's never going to see the field in a game. Once he gets well (and that's the big IF) they're going to cut him. No point in risking another injury and having to give him an injury settlement.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Yea I've got no problem indulging the Cowboy fans. They're idiots to begin with, and it'll make it that much sweeter when we send Romo and his bag of pansies home with their fists shoved up their @sses com September 12.

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse


It's true, the NFL Films machine did title an episode/documentary on the Cowgirls "America's Team." But, they did not coin it, they merely perpetuated it as it was the Cowpies team management that proclaimed themselves that.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

liar. nfl films coined/originated the term. AMERICA perpetuated it. thank you for coming up to the professor's desk to get a little more information. now stop hating.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

My prediction for the six receivers who will make the final roster are:

1.Brandon Banks (His is another Hester)
2.Santana Moss (He is a combat veteran)
3. Devin Thomas (He is ready to perform)
4. Joey Galloway(Combat veteran with speed)
5. Roydell Williams(He's hungry; watch him)
6. Terrance Austin (multi-talented and young)
Unfortunately, Malcolm Kelly is hurt too often and you can't contribute on the bench. That 6'5 talent is going to waste.

Posted by: nmyricks | August 18, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Trade Moss? Certainly, for value.

He is probably the single most overrated player on the team. Other than catch those two TDs against Dallas last century, what has he done? Very little. He drops balls, is too small to run slants or across the middle and is taken out of the game by Cover 2. He was a great punt returner, but the genius coaches "didn't want to risk him" doing the one thing he could do. Plus, he is on the wrong side of 30.

Get something out of him while you still can. Seriously, would the Eagles be hanging on to him? The Ravens? Teams that know how to run a FO know when to ship a guy. His time has come.

Posted by: Themightymeateater | August 18, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Hope they keep Kelly it would be silly to give up a talented young player for a guy like Galloway who only has a year left in the league.

Posted by: unknownsouljah | August 18, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Don't think Kelly is eligible for the practice squad as he has a full year of NFL experience."

I think what was being suggested is that because all MK has done as a redskin is practice, maybe the practice squad is the best place for him.

(INSERT sarcasm)

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Last year -- not that anything should be based on last year -- we kept 5 WRs, 3RBs, 1 FB and 3 TE.Out of the 8 RBs and WRs came our return guys.

I guessing we go with similar numbers this year.

Out of that group came our PRs (ARE, Moss) and KRs (Rock, DT11).

I'm not sure Shanahan wants to invest a roster spot in a specialty PR or KR guy. Which means Banks, Austin and Armstrong all are fighting for 1 spot. And from Keim's comments, seems they've all had some issues holding onto the ball.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the making of the Smurfs 2 edition in DC and Galloway could play papa smurf!

Posted by: joeboggs | August 18, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I find it amusing that Cowboy fans actually think they have a bandwagon. That thing's been on cinder blocks since the 1990's.

What's the appeal in voluntarily rooting for a team that consistently loses in big, crucial games? I can see jumping on the Saints bandwagon, or the Patriots, or the Lakers, Red Sox or Yankees. But the Cowboys?

They might as well be rooting for the Cubs.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | August 18, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

...that old garbage looked like someone's family crest...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 11:26 AM

The Addams family? Vincent Price? Morganna?

I hated the old one too. Didn't know they stole it. I figured they changed it because it was so ugly. Won't help much...not as long as they have that wretched color scheme. I liked NPI's summation of B-more fans and their favorite styles. You forgot that ugly purple camouflage half of them wear to games.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

It's true, the NFL Films machine did title an episode/documentary on the Cowgirls "America's Team." But, they did not coin it, they merely perpetuated it as it was the Cowpies team management that proclaimed themselves that.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

liar. nfl films coined/originated the term. AMERICA perpetuated it. thank you for coming up to the professor's desk to get a little more information. now stop hating.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:06 PM |

Truth hurts, don't it? I stand by those facts that come directly from a long-time Washington area sports insider who actually bought the house I grew up in (KB). You can cling to your pathetic notion but you already knew Dallas sucked which is why you moved to the DC Metro area. And, if you're not from there, then you're even more of a fraud than Tony the choke artist Romo.

Owned.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I think the receiver picture is going to be a lot different in a few weeks.
-Galloway is going to get up one morning with a whole plethora of old man aches and pains and that will be the end of him. They call it the wall, and the best of us hit it some day.

-The thing to remember about Roydell Williams is he is still playing his way back to the top of his game. Right now, he is not as good as he could be, but better than most. I think he makes the team because he'll start showing up more and more.

-If Furrey can get back on the field, he could make this team, as well.

-Banks - Will he last? I want to see him flat out leveled this preseason and get up like it was nothing. If he does that, I'll be on his bandwagon big time.

-Devin Thomas - He could make just enough bone headed plays to get his butt thrown off this team. The muffed kickoff return was nail number one in the coffin. He has to be consistent - something he hasn't been to date.

-Kelly - Gone. And the day they release him they will be looking to get their hands on another big-ish receiver who could make this roster.

-Terrence Austin - Money. I like the kid's hands. I saw him stretch out for one catch during the Buffalo game and that gave me goosebumps. It looked like he went from being 5' 10" to 6' 5". After seeing the Redskins receivers get alligator arms over the last few seasons, I think this guy stands apart in the way he is ready to sacrifice his body.

-Fred Davis. Yes. Fred Davis. I think there's a chance that they could move him to receiver. He may not have blinding speed but he can use that body to muscle the ball away from defenders, and just think of him blocking the defensive back on a sweep... It may not be an official "he's a receiver" move, but I guarantee you he will line up as a receiver more and more often.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 18, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Hope they keep Kelly it would be silly to give up a talented young player for a guy like Galloway who only has a year left in the league."

Malcolm Kelly is a talented young player?

How did you come to that conclusion?

The guy has either been injured or recovering from injury.

Perhaps you're rewarding him for time spent in the trainer's room.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I've been trying my damnedest to get people to ignore the sudden rash (in more ways than one) of Cowdung fans and ironically I'm getting ignored more than they are. Rachel's the worst because I honestly think she only comments on their stuff. Some people just can't be reached...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 12:03 PM

And comments poorly I might add...almost embarrassed to read her responses.

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse


You know how it's said everything in Texas is bigger ? Well, so are the azzholes ! For instance:

MrIrvin88
BigBlueStar
10peterbilt

Big ego's to go along with it:

MrIrvin88 has to reference himself as "Mr".

BigBlueStar, the word Big is first.

10peterbilt has to use the name of a truck in his handle.

Handles edited:

VibratorMoron88

BigBlackHole

10peterangelos


Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I find it amusing that Cowboy fans actually think they have a bandwagon. That thing's been on cinder blocks since the 1990's.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | August 18, 2010 12:12 PM


To be fair, every time you turn on ESPN some idiot is predicting them going to the SB for no good reason. So they have a bandwagon. It's the actual team that's on cinder blocks...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 18, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 12:14 PM"

The term America's Team is a popular nickname in American sports that most often refers to the Dallas Cowboys of the National Football League. The nickname originated with the team's 1978 highlight film, where the narrator opens with the following introduction:
"They appear on television so often that their faces are as familiar to the public as presidents and movie stars. They are the Dallas Cowboys, "America's Team."
Bob Ryan, now Vice President and editor-in-chief of NFL Films, coined this for the Cowboys while preparing and editing the team’s 1978 season highlight film.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Team

redtards fans don't know nuthin'.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Two guys locked in to make the team:

Santana Moss
Devin Thomas

Four guys fighting for two spots:

Joey Galloway
Roydell Williams
Bobby Wade
Malcolm Kelly

Three guys fighting for two spots:

Terence Austin
Brandon Banks
Anthony Armstrong


My guess:

Moss
Thomas
Galloway
Kelly
Austin
Banks

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse


To be fair, every time you turn on ESPN some idiot is predicting them going to the SB for no good reason. So they have a bandwagon. It's the actual team that's on cinder blocks...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 12:20 PM |

You've got to love all the predictions made by the NFL prognosticators at the begining of each season. By week 8, you can probably throw 3/4 of them in the trash.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

what happens if(big IF) Kelly has a great game in these next two, do we end up keeping him even though others have practiced well?

Posted by: Stu27 | August 18, 2010 11:59 AM

Kelly's not going to have a great game. He's never going to see the field in a game. Once he gets well (and that's the big IF) they're going to cut him. No point in risking another injury and having to give him an injury settlement.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Why dont we just release him then? Seems we have a solid position competition without him.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 18, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

They could put Kelly on the PUP list and if healthy take him off by week 6 and transfer one of the rookie receivers (least performing) to the practice squad.

Practice Squad Eligibility
According to league policy, only certain types of players are allowed to sign to the practice squad. Players cannot have played more than nine regular season games or been on the active roster for an entire year, nor can players be allowed to spend more than two seasons on the same team's squad unless that team's active roster never dips below 53 players.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | August 18, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse


what happens if(big IF) Kelly has a great game in these next two, do we end up keeping him even though others have practiced well?

Posted by: Stu27 | August 18, 2010 11:59 AM

Kelly's not going to have a great game. He's never going to see the field in a game. Once he gets well (and that's the big IF) they're going to cut him. No point in risking another injury and having to give him an injury settlement.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Why dont we just release him then? Seems we have a solid position competition without him.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 18, 2010 12:26 PM
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I don't think they can jsut outright cut an injured player. They have to come to some sort of injury settlement. Most teams wait until the guy is healthy and then release him. Unless he has guaranteed money in his contract they can do this without having to pay out money.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 18, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse


10peterbilt = cut/ paste

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

How can Moss do anything the last 2 years with a terrible line, checkdown QB and kindergarten offense. If Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly both turned out to be perennial pro bowlers, sure then you can entertain moving on from Moss. But trading him now would be Ceratto like. We'd get like a 5th rounder or worse for our best WR.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | August 18, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

1-6

S. Moss
J. Galloway
D. Thomas
R. Williams
B. Banks
T. Austin

Montgomery will be on the outside looking in unfortunatley. I like Roydell Williams because he has some size. Kelly might be put on the practice squad, and then when he gets healthy we can throw Waive Williams. But I would go with those 6 for now.

Posted by: mrhney03 | August 18, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

...that old garbage looked like someone's family crest...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2010 11:26 AM

The Addams family? Vincent Price? Morganna?

I hated the old one too. Didn't know they stole it. I figured they changed it because it was so ugly. Won't help much...not as long as they have that wretched color scheme. I liked NPI's summation of B-more fans and their favorite styles. You forgot that ugly purple camouflage half of them wear to games.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 12:12 PM |

MColeman, Baltimore is truly the only city where a middle-aged, shirtless man with a mullett and a scraggly mustache can be seen riding a BMX bike down the sidewalk dodging lunch-time pedestrians.

The only thing Baltimore has really added to the Americana lexicon are tin awnings on their dilapidated row-homes and rickety roof decks with gunked-up hibatchis and rusty Joe Wieder weight benches.

They tuck their purple Ray-Ray jerseys into their zebra-print, body builder pants and don their lowered pickup trucks with purple, full-size window stickers depicting some disease-infested crow that they think is somehow less filthy if they refer to it as a raven.

Essentially, the visual that comes to mind when I think of Raven-fan resembles an overweight, rotten-toothed carny smelling of Natty Boh and referring to each other as 'hon while describing summer trips 'downy ocean' or asking 'haao baaout dem eeooos, hon.'

Sadly, the retardedness exhibited by 'raven-fan' is only outdone by 'cow-crap fan'.

Epic.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Kelly's not going to have a great game. He's never going to see the field in a game. Once he gets well (and that's the big IF) they're going to cut him. No point in risking another injury and having to give him an injury settlement.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse"

Actually, there is a point. It's to see if he's a better WR than Joey Galloway, Roydell Williams, or Bobby Wade (or Austin, Banks, or Armstrong). The injury argument doesn't hold water when he's competing with 2 players who haven't played football in 2 years because of injuries. Kelly has more games than either Williams or Galloway in the last 2 seasons.

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Just an FYI - they may have coined it, but your team sure used it. NFL films gave every team a moniker for their season. It is almost worse that your team co-opted that name from a film of the season and then used it as their unofficial nickname. Smacks of arrogance.


and that is why there is only two levels of emotion towards the cowgirls

love or hate.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | August 18, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

You mean "South America's Team" don't you?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 18, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

not sure if anyone posted the link to the AP article on Zorn returning to DC.

"He hasn't spoken to Snyder since the day of his dismissal, and he's fine with that.

"I've never had any animosity. ... You just get fired, thank you very much, and you move on. I really think that's how we have to handle it, or we could go sit in our rooms for a few weeks and mope and feel sorry for ourselves. It's not the way life is, really. We're called to handle difficult situations as well as glorious situations."

well ... Danny paid you more $$$ for 2 seasons than you'll make in rest of your ENTIRE WORKING LIFE -- and YOU WERE A COMPLETE FAILURE. So I'm glad you don't have any animosity towards Danny.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/08/17/ravens.zorn.ap/index.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

hessone = troublemaker

you and npi know that the nfl's media arm came up with "america's team" and america, rightfully i might add, kept it going strong. i provided the proof for you. and you're right, hesszero. everything in texas is bigger. not my fault. not your fault. that's just the way it is.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Hope they keep Kelly it would be silly to give up a talented young player for a guy like Galloway who only has a year left in the league.

Posted by: unknownsouljah | August 18, 2010 12:09 PM
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if those few years Galloway have left are productive..even if he's just running a clear-out fly pattern..it'll be better than Kelly on the bench hurt...and by that time we should be able to draft or sign a younng talented productive receiver...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 18, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

MK12 makes final 53 by defualt due to height...

But will show everyone why he was kept once he gets healthy....

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 18, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

rachel, STOP COMMUNICATING WITH THEM....for the love of God would you stop...they only stay around for the reaction, which you READILY PROVIDE TO THEM....IGNORE them, and they'll go away....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 18, 2010 11:46 AM

Co-sign.

Don't be like Ravens fans. Ignore the cowpukes. "If you don't want them to get your goat, don't let them know where it's hid"

By the way, I had to travel to Dallas recently. I'll give them this, they have a nice stadium. But most of the Texas I saw was so backwards and desolate, they have nothing to do but visit Redskins blogs.

HTTR!

Posted by: mj25 | August 18, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Kelly makes the team if he plays lights out. He has guaranteed $ and way bigger than the rest.

Now, I don't expect him to play great but just saying.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 18, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Montgomery will be on the outside looking in unfortunatley.
Posted by: mrhney03 | August 18, 2010 12:30 PM

DT Anthony Montgomery was not brought back this year. So yes, he is on the outside looking in.

Posted by: saltine182 | August 18, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

10peterbilt=periculum

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Four guys fighting for two spots:

Joey Galloway
Roydell Williams
Bobby Wade
Malcolm Kelly

======================

I would say Kelly is only fighting against himself for one spot....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 18, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Good grief. The ONLY response to cowpuke fans is to put up links to their greatest hits. Its like throwing water on the wicked witch. They gotta look, but they shrivel up inside and die a bit more every time they see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVuQ5aw0HAQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t09nwnsPJ9M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yh1DyvTuDA&feature=related

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"or whether Malcolm Kelly has taken his customary spot on the sidelines"

LMAO...

Posted by: kahlua87 | August 18, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

You mean "South America's Team" don't you?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 18, 2010 12:37 PM
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Good one!...the Medellín Cartel Cowgirls

the Cali Cartel Cowdung!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 18, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"everything in texas is bigger.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:40 PM


Do you actually have an original thought of your own, or do Cowboys fans always take cliches and monikers generated by others to define who they are?

No wonder the best player in the history of your franchise has the articulation of a 2-bit trailer-trash 8th grader and needed to have his HOF speech written for him.

I guess the fans take after their idols.

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

It's important that you view this next pre-season game in the proper context. Most here may or may not be aware that Baltimore ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS wants to WIN pre-season games versus Washington. It's part of their inferiority complex. I know this first hand from having lived in downtown Baltimore for a few years. It's actually pretty funny because they believe there is a real rivalry between Baltimore and Washington and it really p's them of to hear that no one in Washington even cares about them, like, at all.

The team and especially their fans consider a pre-season game against the Redskins to be essentially, a regular season game. I still go out in the Fells Point and Federal Hill areas of the city on occasion and I still hear talk about their SB win in 2000. Dude, 2000? Are you serious? I think the 'Skins beat them that year anyway.

I've had specific conversations where some IROC-driving, mullet-having, white trash loser in a purple Ray-Ray jersey is asking me about what all the chardonnay-sipping yuppies in DC think of their team. Without even looking over at the dude, I just say, "Um, we don't."

So, just like last year and other years, the Ravens are going to see this as a real game while the 'Skins are going to be assessing talent and execution-level in preparation for the season opener.

So have fun Raven fan. You can get your rat-tail trimmed, your IROC or Trans Am detailed and break out your very best acid-wash jeans to go with your Van Halen t-shirt and celebrate what might end up being a pre-season victory to rejuvenate your shrimpy little egos.

It's a pre-season game and you're gonna party like it's 1999 (or 2000 for that matter).

Have fun.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

Where do you come up with this stuff?
First off the players and coaches on both sides could give a rats ass about any pre season game or supposed rivalry between the two cities.

The Ravens are in a completely different place than the Redskins are as a team. They are team that has had few changes in the off season. They have been running the same defense and offensive schemes for a few years. Redskins have new coaches, new schemes and new players. They are trying to figure out who should be starting while making sure that the starters are picking up what is expected of them in the offense and defense. These games are infinitely more important to the Redskins. Neither team cares about winning.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 18, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

MK12 makes final 53 by defualt due to height...

But will show everyone why he was kept once he gets healthy....

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor

4th I hear you. They don't have much height, but how can you keep him? New coaches and system and he's not showing what he can do. I'm hoping he ends up on the IR list. I keep hearing he has a lot of potential. I'd like to see what he can do when healthy.

You figure by process of elimination that Furrey and Hodge get cut, MK on IR, that leaves 8. Then see who's healthy on the last cut down day. I'd bet DT makes it because he would be the tallest rcvr n the team. I remember Jermaine Lewis making a nice impact on the Ravens as a returner and spot receiver the year they won the super bowl. I'm hoping Banks turns into that kind of player for us.

Posted by: mj25 | August 18, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I have to disagree... for now anyway.

Dissing CowPatty pukes is always fair game, whether they're spewing their filth here or not.

I understand wanting to avoid the annoyance, so feel free to do so - but I also love the art of the dis... even if it is oh, so easy...

Let's see if we can find out where else these jackholes are posting, though. 'Cause we should hound 'em down when they disappear after we whomp 'em @ the opener.... ok... if... if...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 18, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

...today's brief, albeit important, history lesson has just concluded.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 11:20 AM |
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uh, no thanks...i'll look to other than texas for my history lessons, given that the revisionist texas board of education is trying to NOT teach kids about the separation of church and state, and are trying to teach children that america was founded as a christian nation.

if unaware/curious, see:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0329/Hey-Texas-don-t-mess-with-textbooks-Public-schools-are-no-place-for-partisan-agendas/%28page%29/2

otherwise, pardon the interruption - carry on.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | August 18, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

10peterbilt=periculum

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 12:48 PM |


Sure looked like his format.

Soooo...what's up with that?

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I live in Baltimore ... A die hard Redskins fan , Ravens fan always try to give me sh//t about why I like the Redskins ... My main thing is I am who I am and i bleed burgundy and gold.People don't understand until they actually talk to me for a while...... and then they say "but you are a die hard fan I must say".

Posted by: jiza32 | August 18, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Good one!...the Medellín Cartel Cowgirls

the Cali Cartel Cowdung!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 18, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse
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I've been to Medellin, and the people would be insulted to be associated with the Cowboys.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 18, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I've been to Medellin, and the people would be insulted to be associated with the Cowboys.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 18, 2010 1:04 PM
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my bad....don't want to do that...i completely understand...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 18, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"liar. nfl films coined/originated the term. AMERICA perpetuated it. thank you for coming up to the professor's desk to get a little more information. now stop hating.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:06 PM'

Excuse me, but, I believe your alacrity has served you ill, good sir.

Translation: Not so fast, son.

[The ONLY reason I remember this is in our family, my father was one of 5 brothers. All worked for various government agencies, all of whom had lived spread out around the states at some point.

1 Cowboys Fan, 1 Giants Fan, 1 Eagles Fan, and 1 Cardinals Fan, and of course my dad the Skins Fan...yes, the football season was a lot of fun until the Cards left the division, and my Eagles fan uncle passed away a couple of years later

Copies of this little newspaper article were at one point cut out, put into frames and given by my Cowboys Fan uncle to ALL of his brothers...oh the s-storm that unleashed once that '78 season summary film "verified" the status of the Cowboys as "America's Team'...as it kid, it was something to behold.]

The term "America's Team" in reference to the Cowboys was coined by a writer (or writers) for the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram in '76 or '77 [newspaper where the term FIRST appeared], and was then picked up by the local radio folks in the region.

Some time later it was co-opted by NFL films and used in the '78 Season summary video, which is how anyone outside the Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex ever HEARD it...and THAT is when it began to take hold outside the region.

Nice try, but...ummm, not so much on the being right part.

*wonk, wonk!*

Sorry "Professor" Pahd-ner 10p...Close, but NO cigar.

Much love...


Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 18, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Just keeping it real on the MK discussion, if we desperately need height on our WRs corps, I'm sure after roster cuts there will be SOMEONE available who has decent height.

I think MK gets cut, but if I'm wrong I'll deny it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 18, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse


hessone = troublemaker

you and npi know that the nfl's media arm came up with "america's team" and america, rightfully i might add, kept it going strong. i provided the proof for you. and you're right, hesszero. everything in texas is bigger. not my fault. not your fault. that's just the way it is.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:40 PM |

You come on a Redskins board being a Cowboy's fan with your immature trash, and I'm the trouble maker ?

BTW, if you read my posts, I didn't get into the arguement over who coined the Cowboy's, "America's Team".

You need to go on a date with a tube of K-Y pal.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The term "America's Team" in reference to the Cowboys was coined by a writer (or writers) for the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram in '76 or '77 [newspaper where the term FIRST appeared], and was then picked up by the local radio folks in the region.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 18, 2010 1:07 PM

Damn...in your face!!! Nice pull thinkingman...if it's true... haha

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

rachel, STOP COMMUNICATING WITH THEM....for the love of God would you stop...they only stay around for the reaction, which you READILY PROVIDE TO THEM....IGNORE them, and they'll go away....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Maybe we should declare open season on them instead.

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Grab a couple of pitch forks, some torches.

Heat up the tar and bust open some down pillows...

This could be fun.

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse


10peterbilt = pericynthion

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse


rachel, STOP COMMUNICATING WITH THEM....for the love of God would you stop...they only stay around for the reaction, which you READILY PROVIDE TO THEM....IGNORE them, and they'll go away....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Maybe we should declare open season on them instead.

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 1:18 PM

Co-sign

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying these guys will make the roster, but I would like to see:

Wide Receiver:
Devin Thomas, 6-2, 223, 2, 40
Roydell Williams, 6-0, 180, 3, 84

Flanker:
Santana Moss, 5-10, 209, 9, 500
Anthony Armstrong, 5-11, 182, 1, 0

Slot:
Terrence Austin, 5-11, 172, 0, 0
Brandon Banks, 5-7, 150, 0, 0

If we run a 4-receiver set, have one of the TE's as the 4th receiver so we can shift out of it on occasion and run the ball.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | August 18, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mj25 | August 18, 2010 12:56 PM

IR or the PUP list....

But if he can just get out for the last 2 games, that should be good enough....but you are right...none of these guys drafted him...But he was paid somewhere like a $1 Mil roster bonus earlier this year...

so they are invested in the guy........

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 18, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Check that....$400K roster bonus...

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 18, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 1:24 PM

Welcome to the revolution.

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

It's a pre-season game and you're gonna party like it's 1999 (or 2000 for that matter).

Have fun.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

Where do you come up with this stuff?
First off the players and coaches on both sides could give a rats ass about any pre season game or supposed rivalry between the two cities.

The Ravens are in a completely different place than the Redskins are as a team. They are team that has had few changes in the off season. They have been running the same defense and offensive schemes for a few years. Redskins have new coaches, new schemes and new players. They are trying to figure out who should be starting while making sure that the starters are picking up what is expected of them in the offense and defense. These games are infinitely more important to the Redskins. Neither team cares about winning.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 18, 2010 12:56 PM |

SRobert? Did you also fail reading comprehension? My post in now way mentions where the Ravens are as a team, rather, that they suffer from short-man's syndrome much like Peter-Puffer-Built and Crackhead-Irvin88.

It is as much of a fact that the Ravens will call a timeout with only a couple seconds on the clock, toss a challenge flag and/or put back in a couple starters for an opportunity to WIN A PRE-SEASON GAME AGAINST THE REDSKINS.

Oh wait a minute, that's what they did last year, DURING PRE-SEASON. Dude, I know this for a fact having lived downtown there for a couple years. They sweat the Redskins like your mom sweats my nuts. Trust me here. It's all they have to cling to when it comes to anything DC.

So, are your ears/eyes open here? Okay, ready???


B O O K I T!

The Ravens will treat this pre-season game as a real game and chalk up a prospective win as something just below their SB victory - a decade old I might add AND that season included a loss to the 'Skins.

Next time, absorb the context before you make a completely baseless retort as to why I am in any way being inaccurate.

Dig?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"IR or the PUP list....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 18, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse"

He's not eligible for PUP because he participated in training camp. If he didn't practice on day 1, he'd still be eligible, which would have all but guaranteed his inclusion with the team, at least until week 9.

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

They appear on television so often that their faces are as familiar to the public as presidents and movie stars. They are the Dallas Cowboys, "America's Team."
Bob Ryan, now Vice President and editor-in-chief of NFL Films, coined this for the Cowboys while preparing and editing the team’s 1978 season highlight film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Team

redtards fans don't know nuthin'.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes, AND? I know, I know, I've been living in Texas long enough to know that no Texan ever let facts get in the way of a good argument

But really, how does this prove that the entire country decided that the Cowboys are/were "America's Team"?

Go back, put a finger on each word on the screen, move your lips if you have to, and realize that you just proved the point that you are arguing AGAINST!

NFL Films slapped that name on the Cowpatties - There wasn't some freakin' consensus amongst all football fans that "Oh yes, Dallas is America's Team"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 18, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question: what NFL team has a set of receivers -- the full set -- worse than the Skins? This is a serious concern; there's NOBODY there that makes a defense adjust. Yes, Cooley and Davis are both excellent receiving threats, but are they really going to run THAT many double-tight-end sets?

Posted by: Gunga2009 | August 18, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

...move your lips if you have to...

Love it.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Damn...in your face!!! Nice pull thinkingman...if it's true... haha

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 1:15 PM'

Unfortunately it is...you should have seen my pop and uncles go at it with all the smack talk and taunting.

Not like I'm some great historian or anything...this just happens to tie into a really fun little thing from my youth.

Though it is probably what made me develop ANY interest in football at that early an age. Think 7 Y.O., here.

The photocopied jokes (that I didn't even get half the humor of), the newspaper clippings with red marker "edits" of the team names, or making fun of the players.

Mailing game programs of games where one brother's team defeated the other to each other's work addresses with the Head Coach of the team they rooted for listed as the name on the return address...good times.

These dudes were crazy, before crazy was cool.

It was borderline legendary.

I use to love to sit around the corner in the dining room to just watch and listen to them watch football and talk "s"...too funny.

I try to bring that level of fun to the folks I watch football and play in FF leagues with.

On our best deays we ALMOST match that spirit.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 18, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

the cowboys do practice indoors. but they still practice when it rains.

Posted by: 10peterbilt

Maybe it's b/c when it rains, and they're indoors, it doesn't affect them. All you cowgirls fans are just so dumb... it's just too easy.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

NPI,

Ravens - winning = Jaguars.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | August 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

SRobert? Did you also fail reading comprehension? My post in now way mentions where the Ravens are as a team, rather, that they suffer from short-man's syndrome much like Peter-Puffer-Built and Crackhead-Irvin88.

It is as much of a fact that the Ravens will call a timeout with only a couple seconds on the clock, toss a challenge flag and/or put back in a couple starters for an opportunity to WIN A PRE-SEASON GAME AGAINST THE REDSKINS.

Oh wait a minute, that's what they did last year, DURING PRE-SEASON. Dude, I know this for a fact having lived downtown there for a couple years. They sweat the Redskins like your mom sweats my nuts. Trust me here. It's all they have to cling to when it comes to anything DC.

So, are your ears/eyes open here? Okay, ready???


B O O K I T!

The Ravens will treat this pre-season game as a real game and chalk up a prospective win as something just below their SB victory - a decade old I might add AND that season included a loss to the 'Skins.

Next time, absorb the context before you make a completely baseless retort as to why I am in any way being inaccurate.

Dig?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

I get it now your a tard. You are making excuses for why they might win. The coaching staffs from both teams will coach the game as if it was a real game with the exception of using starters at the end. If you think any coach in the NFL is putting starters in at the end of the pre season game than you really are a tard.

I know a bunch of Ravens fans and they could careless about this game. They do like having the better team in the region. And when they meet in the regular season no one wants to lose to a team in their backyard. But to think that any fan of a team cares about the final score of pre season game is moronic. They only care about how their starters look, the position battles and how the younger players are progressing. I rarely if ever see Ravens fans on this blog with the exception of heading into a regular season game. I do see morons like you making excuses for what may happen this weekend when in reality it is just another warm up for the season.

Dig?

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 18, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I just saw the zorn headline... fortunate indeed.

Great human being, no question.

But seeing him immediately get in Flacco's face after he came to the sideline after every series was just another small reminder of why i am glad he is no longer our coach.

Guys don't need "coaching" in the middle of the game. It gets in their head and F's up their confidence. Just STFU on the sideline during the game, no player should have to come over to the sideline and immediately tell some former QB what they were seeing and thinking. Subconsciously, it makes them question what they are doing on the field, and no athlete can excel under those conditions.

Zorn is THE ONLY reason why I am doubting picking Flacco as a "sleeper" QB if I miss out on the obvious studs at the top of the QB board.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 18, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse


Co-sign

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 1:24 PM

Welcome to the revolution.

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 1:29 PM |

More like, welcome to the un-civil war !

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, you funny.

I am with Moe, though on this. D. Thomas must be given a chance to be the go-to guy for McNabb. He has shown flashes and if we ever want to build from the draft we have to stick with people. I am personally more than ready to cut Kelly loose, though. Eventually, you cut your losses particularly with someone who can't stay on the field. The evidence is too great. I would also take a chance on Banks and Armstrong. Much better to try to develop something rather than committing for a year to the guys who are at the end of their career. It's not like this is a Super Bowl team and Bobby Wade is the missing piece.

Posted by: rgj21 | August 18, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I know a bunch of Ravens fans and they could careless about this game.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 18, 2010 1:56 PM

Live and work in Baltimore...they care about this game.

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse


Maybe it's b/c when it rains, and they're indoors, it doesn't affect them. All you cowgirls fans are just so dumb... it's just too easy.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 1:54 PM

since you're a little slow, i'll rephrase: when it rains the cowboys still practice. redtards don't.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I know a bunch of Ravens fans and they could careless about this game.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 18, 2010 1:56 PM

Live and work in Baltimore...they care about this game.

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 2:02 PM |

BINGO!

Besides, if you could care less - or careless as you stupidly wrote - it means you care.

If you couldn't care less - THAT'S when you don't actually care.

Jot that down so you don't forget.

Glad to be of assistance.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Final Redskins WR Corp:
Santana Moss
Devin Thomas
Terrence Austin
Brandon Banks
Anthony Armstrong

DOOO EEEEEET! We can come up with a cute name for the shortest WR group in the league.

But I think Roydell (maybe Wade) is going to knock someone off that list.

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Posted by: 4thFloor | August 18, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

clearly peterbilt has no logic.

no surprise.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse


@rgj21

FDavis, DThomas stay.

MKelly gets cut loose.

2 out of 3 ain't bad, especially since Cerrato and $nyder made the picks.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

peter - You love the Skins more than your own team. You just can't get off a Skins blog and you can't stop talking about the Skins... I swear, you know more about the Skins than the Cowgirls.

Redtards??

good one. :)

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

peter - You love the Skins more than your own team. You just can't get off a Skins blog and you can't stop talking about the Skins... I swear, you know more about the Skins than the Cowgirls.

Redtards??

good one. :)

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 2:13 PM
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Good point!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 18, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse


clearly peterbilt has no logic.

no surprise.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 2:11 PM |

He knows no football, only wikipedia, cut and paste. Another waste of oxygen.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

NPI...that's up there with peeps saying ATM machine to me...I'm no english major...but when I hear someone say "could care less"...I cringe

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 18, 2010 1:07 PM"

how neat it would be if you could just say something and make it so. doesn't work that way. i provided a link to prove that the term was coined in 1978 by someone other than the cowboys and was initially disliked by respected Cowboys (like Tom Landry).

curiously, you provide no link to back up your 1976/1977 fantasy. your story remains where it should - that circular file that is your head.

nice try, imaginingman. the professor remains at the lectern, ready and able to refute all lies associated with the cowboys!

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Only the Michael Scott character from "The Office" and retard Bovine Cartel fan thinks a cut and pasted Wikipedia article "proves" anything.

"Everyone can post to it so you know it's the best information."

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I heard that when you read a dallas fans post backwards...you you can hear the devil.

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse


10peterbilt = professor

1. a teacher of the highest academic rank in a college or university, who has been awarded the title Professor in a particular branch of learning; a full professor: a professor of Dallas Cowboy's literature.

2. any teacher who has the rank of professor, associate professor, assistant professor, or chief moron.

3. a moron Cowboy's fan on a Redskins blog.

You are one dumbazz peterbilt, I'll give you that much.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Fartin' on the dock of the bay, wastin' time.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

NPI...that's up there with peeps saying ATM machine to me...I'm no english major...but when I hear someone say "could care less"...I cringe

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 2:18 PM |

Amen PlayAction. No English major here either but I always thought there were some basics that most know and expect even half-brained Cowcrap and Birdcrap (ravens) fans to know.

I bet he uses phrases like "Should of" and "touching basis" and uses 'words' like "irregardless" and "alot" while misusing to/too and your/you're.

I guess there are fully-functional retards out there too. In here, I expect it.

Cheers.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Poopy's in da house!

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 2:28 PM"

nice cut and paste, hessone. may i correct you? since the cowboys are america's team and every nfl team is based in america, wouldn't it follow that any nfl team's blog is at least partially a cowboys blog? get npi or thinkingman to help you with that one.

sincerely,
the perfesser

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less about the toilet I go #2 in. Just as long as it flushes when I'm all finished up.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

And I am an English Major. Oh snap!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Question:

If the Dallas Cowboys play an away game... are their menstrual cycles still in sync with their cheerleader's?


.

Posted by: oldnova | August 18, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Well Peter does have a point...even if it's wrong.

Good one Poopy!

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse


"Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 2:28 PM"

nice cut and paste, hessone. may i correct you? since the cowboys are america's team and every nfl team is based in america, wouldn't it follow that any nfl team's blog is at least partially a cowboys blog? get npi or thinkingman to help you with that one.

sincerely,
the perfesser

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 2:34 PM |

Using other's comments doesn't look good on you. Come back some other time with something fresh, original, something that makes sense.

Now toddle your way off the board, moron.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I guess that this is "Americas Blog"?

Dude sure spends all his time in here. Maybe it rubbed off like his CrackerJack, tough-guy, blue star tattoo.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Santana Moss
Joey Galloway
Devin Thomas
Malcolm Kelly
Roydell Williams
Brandon Banks

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | August 18, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys stadium - the only sports venue in America with a sanitary napkin dispenser in the home team's locker room.


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Posted by: oldnova | August 18, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 2:41 PM"

i thought i was being original. link please! ;)

kthxbye

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse


I guess that this is "Americas Blog"?

Dude sure spends all his time in here. Maybe it rubbed off like his CrackerJack, tough-guy, blue star tattoo.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 2:42 PM |

soooooo funny dude!

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

peterbilt is a sh!t company anyway.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Eventually, you cut your losses particularly with someone who can't stay on the field.... I would also take a chance on Banks and Armstrong."


This is where I am.

We have three guys we can depend on for production in the passing game:

Cooley, Moss, Davis

So let's keep Austin, Thomas, Banks, and Armstrong and groom them.

3 of the 4 are blazers, 1 might be very good, and another a productive possession guy.

I'll let you figure out which is which.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys stadium - the only sports venue in America with a sanitary napkin dispenser in the home team's locker room.

Posted by: oldnova | August 18, 2010 2:43 PM

Ouch!!

Is that true? And what's a sanitary napkin?

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Cowboy Stadium - the only stadium in America that has urinals in both the men's and women's restrooms.


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Posted by: oldnova | August 18, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse


peterbilt is a sh!t company anyway.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 2:45 PM

Fire it up Poopy !

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

See ya tomorrow Pete

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Cowboy's fans are fat tubs of lard.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I love and respect Dallas Cowboy fans.

I hope each one grows up to be half the man his momma was.


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Posted by: oldnova | August 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I love and respect Dallas Cowboy fans.

I hope each one grows up to be half the man his momma was.


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Posted by: oldnova | August 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I love and respect Dallas Cowboy fans.

I hope each one grows up to be half the man his momma was.


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Posted by: oldnova | August 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Dallas Cowboys starting left guard Kyle Kosier limped off the practice field Wednesday morning and could miss four to six weeks with a sprained MCL in his right knee. It looks like Romo is going to be scrambling for his life against the Skins D. F-Dallas

Posted by: mrlowery1 | August 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Dallas Cowboys starting left guard Kyle Kosier limped off the practice field Wednesday morning and could miss four to six weeks with a sprained MCL in his right knee. It looks like Romo is going to be scrambling for his life against the Skins D. F-Dallas

Posted by: mrlowery1 | August 18, 2010 2:59 PM |


Ooooooohhhhhhh, that's a shame! He can join Columbo who will miss the opener too. Factor in the loss of Flozelle and all of the sudden, Haney is licking his chops. Orakpo is going to be all over Romo like Poopy McPoop on a toilet seat.

Money.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

HEY 10PETERBILT, YOUR A LOSER AND YOUR COWGIRL TEAM TAKE A HIKE loSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | August 18, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

What's worse, cowboy fans or Nickelback?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo is going to be all over Romo like Poopy McPoop on a toilet seat.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 3:11 PM

Well I hope not EXACTLY like Poopy McPoop on a toilet seat...but yes!

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

After the game last week, Devin Thomas said that he'd likely be starting against the Ravens. Yesterday, he said the same thing to Chris Russel - it'll be interesting to see if that actually happens.

Looks like it's raining at Redskins Park again, hopefully they didn't have to end practice early. With how heavily it was raining this morning, I assume they canceled for player safety.

Posted by: --swb | August 18, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 18, 2010 1:07 PM"

how neat it would be if you could just say something and make it so. doesn't work that way. i provided a link to prove that the term was coined in 1978 by someone other than the cowboys and was initially disliked by respected Cowboys (like Tom Landry).

curiously, you provide no link to back up your 1976/1977 fantasy. your story remains where it should - that circular file that is your head.

nice try, imaginingman. the professor remains at the lectern, ready and able to refute all lies associated with the cowboys!

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 2:19 PM"

Feel free to write the Ft. Worth-Star Telegram, Spunky.

There was not a commercially viable internet in 1976/1977 silly wabbit.

All of the newspapers of those days were on microfische...those of us who read and study know this. Unlike you modern age wiki-junkies.

I cited a specific Newspaper...unlike you who cited "NFL Films" whom I will be happily following up with to see where they REALLY got it so I can give you TWO (and possibly more) sources that show your silliness.

Including your own "source" which I am fairly sure will refute your version of events and once AGAIN support mine.

Sorry you might have to actually write letters/e-mails and read from a DIRECT source instead of just quoting or cut and pasting from some B-S from wiki-pedia there, guy.

That's how REAL life works, son.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 18, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Ooooooohhhhhhh, that's a shame! He can join columbo who will miss the opener too. Factor in the loss of flozelle and all of the sudden, Haney is licking his chops. Orakpo is going to be all over romo like Poopy McPoop on a toilet seat.

Money.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

After watching colombo play vs the Raiders, doesn't matter if he's healthy or not. He gave up 2 sacks to a rookie DE -- in just 3 series

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I heard all cowboy fans love to be on the receiving end of a dirty sanchez

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

somehow "and microfilm" did not make it into the post following "microfische'

Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 18, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys fans are like ugly women: they think they look good just because you acknowledge them.

They will continue ruining this forum with their puerile venom for as long as various folk respond to them.

Me?: there isn't enough beer in the six pack to make me think a cowboy fan looks good enough to get my attention.

Or acknowledgement.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Random Aside. For those who have not heard BYU is going to go Independent in NCAA football. I got to wonder what that will do to that conference realignment talk that was going on early this year.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 18, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Ooooooohhhhhhh, that's a shame! He can join columbo who will miss the opener too. Factor in the loss of flozelle and all of the sudden, Haney is licking his chops. Orakpo is going to be all over romo like Poopy McPoop on a toilet seat.

Money.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

After watching colombo play vs the Raiders, doesn't matter if he's healthy or not. He gave up 2 sacks to a rookie DE -- in just 3 series

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 3:18 PM |

Hey Z, I saw that as well, point taken. But, Columbo WAS the starter so I have to assume the dude behind him sucks even more.

I love it.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm hoping the Ravens serve the Redskins a large (injury-free) slice of humble pie Saturday night. Pre Season Week 2 is the perfect time for it. A team with this many veterans will put it in the right perspective and use it as fuel for the fire for the 3 weeks leading up to September 12. If whipping the Bills was good for confidence, having the tables turned on them this week could be even more helpful.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 7:57 AM

That's one way to look at it I guess. Another way, the way I prefer, is to hope that the Redskins are sirnificantly improved so that they can be competitive with teams of this calibre.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys fans are like ugly women: they think they look good just because you acknowledge them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 3:21 PM

And I'm starting to wonder about Redskins fans, or at least the ones that post up here. They seem, well, "slow." No matter how many times you explain this to them, they keep kissing up to the Cowboys fans.

So far, Cowboys fans are winning this shabingus: They score everytime one of our nit wits takes their meager bait.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

And I'm starting to wonder about Redskins fans, or at least the ones that post up here. They seem, well, "slow." No matter how many times you explain this to them, they keep kissing up to the Cowboys fans.

So far, Cowboys fans are winning this shabingus: They score everytime one of our nit wits takes their meager bait.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 3:28 PM
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Nah, cowboy fans are like Creed. You know they're there, you know they suck, they know they suck, so why not joke them every chance you get.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm hoping the Ravens serve the Redskins a large (injury-free) slice of humble pie Saturday night. Pre Season Week 2 is the perfect time for it. A team with this many veterans will put it in the right perspective and use it as fuel for the fire for the 3 weeks leading up to September 12. If whipping the Bills was good for confidence, having the tables turned on them this week could be even more helpful.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 7:57 AM

That's one way to look at it I guess. Another way, the way I prefer, is to hope that the Redskins are sirnificantly improved so that they can be competitive with teams of this calibre.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 18, 2010 3:28 PM

MColeman's thinking is the logic of a loser. The real Monte Coleman would never write this sheet.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Me?: there isn't enough beer in the six pack to make me think a cowboy fan looks good enough to get my attention.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 3:21 PM

Beer still comes in six packs moe?

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrIrvin88

Don't the Cowgirls practice INDOORS? B/c they're sissys and can't stand the heat.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse


No.

They used to practice indoors until Jerry jones's cheap-arsed indoor bubble collapsed in a stiff wind and crushed a bunch of people.

Posted by: p1funk | August 18, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm hoping the Ravens serve the Redskins a large (injury-free) slice of humble pie Saturday night. Pre Season Week 2 is the perfect time for it. A team with this many veterans will put it in the right perspective and use it as fuel for the fire for the 3 weeks leading up to September 12. If whipping the Bills was good for confidence, having the tables turned on them this week could be even more helpful.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 7:57 AM

That's one way to look at it I guess. Another way, the way I prefer, is to hope that the Redskins are significantly improved so that they can be competitive with teams of this calibre.

Posted by: scampbell1975

The Skins no longer have to overcome Jim Zorn -- and that's a huge improvement. The Ravens, however ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys fans take it more than Gianna Michaels does.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Nice handle, ThinkingMan.

I came up with mine during an online spat with somebody who called himself Thinker. I made Thinker with an underscore my handle and began to post ridiculously stupid things. Dick move, yeah, but I always thought the Thinker_ handle had that nice blend of pseudo-intellectual arrogance that prevails in online forums.

Anyway, I can't believe I'm back to bash Bruce Smith more. I'm actually not. I'm just wondering why I find him so repulsive. I mean, sure there were the times he displayed obvious disappointment when a Redskin other than he made a sack. And there was "the Package" he came in, with Deionne, Jeff George... B Mitch was cut. It was a VERY disappointing time for me as a Redskins fan.

So, I AM a fan of the team, but I'm not a fan of many of the moves that were made over the years. Bringing in Bruce Smith so he could chase records was one of the most abhorrent.

I also remember from that time being really surprised that a lot of "fans" thought it was great that we had let Brian Mitchell go in favor of Deionne Sanders. I thought it really brought up the different perceptions of what it actually means to be a "true fan."

Is a true fan one who roots for the uniform? Even if the construction of the team is rife with ethical and moral errors?

Is a true fan one who roots for the players? And then, how do you adjust when that player is lost to free agency.

Or, what I think my case is, does a true fan root for both? In some cases, an Art Monk in a Jets uniform, for example, the player is still a Redskin. In other cases, a Bruce Smith, for example, the player will always be a selfish, record-chasing, glory-hog Bill.

Sometimes you have a Brad Johnson dilemma... He comes in, plays solidly, makes you proud to call him your QB, and then Snyder pushes him out and inserts a total dick like Jeff George who flounders while Brad Johnson goes on to win a Super Bowl.

I have to say, I was happier for Brad Johnson BECAUSE he had suffered such indignity at the hands of "my team's" owner.

I have my criteria of who I root for and who I root against. For whatever collection of reasons, I do not like Bruce Smith and never did. I like TEAM players who care about the Redskins as much as I do. I would not put the owner in that category. "He wants to win" is not the same as "He wants to build a winner."

Team is greater than wins and losses. Trying to circumvent the REAL way to win, through hard work and sacrifice for teammates gets you a 4 and 12 season with a Bingo caller caller your plays, a double swinging gate, and an O Line made of trash pails standing on end.

Am I glad the Redskins stunk last year? Not really. But, I will say this: It couldn't have happened to a nicer owner. The guy had better buy a clue, because he will never buy a Super Bowl.

And neither will Bruce Smith. And to me, he's not a Redskin. Why not interview Brad Johnson? Or Jeremiah Trotter? Or Antonio Pierce? Or James Washington?

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Yea I've got no problem indulging the Cowboy fans. They're idiots to begin with, and it'll make it that much sweeter when we send Romo and his bag of pansies home with their fists shoved up their @sses com September 12.

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse


THe only problem, psps, is that 'Girl fans never come back around and take their lumps like stand-up people when they lose.

They bark and yap in the week leading up to the game; when they lose, they go crawling under rocks, only to re-emerge a year later with the same delusions of grandeur regarding their busted spineless choke-artist team.

If they had enough stones to come back and have a conversation after a loss, it might be worth it to bark it up with them the week before. But I, for one, have little patience to suffer these front-running hit-n-run donkeys.

Posted by: p1funk | August 18, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Or Jason Taylor? Was he EVER a Redskin? I mean, really?

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Why not interview Brad Johnson? Or Jeremiah Trotter? Or Antonio Pierce? Or James Washington?

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 3:36 PM | R

or my ballsack. It's more of a Redskin then those others...oh wait.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 18, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Nah, cowboy fans are like Creed. You know they're there, you know they suck, they know they suck, so why not joke them every chance you get.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 3:30 PM

Cowboys fans take it more than Gianna Michaels does.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 3:35 PM


Because your "jokes," like your screen name, make you look like a retarded 16 year old. You just handed the troll another turnover.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse


JAIME ARON
Associated Press
08/18/10 3:01 PM EDT


Left guard Kyle Kosier has limped off the practice field, making it two hobbled offensive linemen this week for the Dallas Cowboys.

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips was expected to give details about the injury at his afternoon news conference. Dallas also has a second practice later Tuesday.

Veteran Montrae Holland took Kosier's place during the morning workout and would start if Kosier doesn't return for the preseason game Saturday night in San Diego.

Offensive coordinator Jason Garrett said missing two starters will be a factor in deciding how long Tony Romo plays against the Chargers, or if he plays at all.

Right tackle Marc Colombo went down Sunday and had arthroscopic knee surgery Monday. He's expected to return for the season opener.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 18, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

"And I'm starting to wonder about Redskins fans, or at least the ones that post up here."

Well, let's have a moment of clarity.

What it is, is that skins fans are insecure for reasons too obvious to explain.

Last place finishes and 4-12 records will do that to a fanbase.

And so, like a pitbull with ADD, folks in this forum snap and bark at any comment that gets right at the truth about the Washington Redskins:

The team has indeed basically sucked over the past few years.

There is no argument about that, and to say otherwise suggests Jim Zorn and Vinny Cerrato actually were doing a great job running things.

Thing is, the Shanahan hire and subsequent coaching has provided a glimpse of hope and a modicum of improvement.

We should counsel each other to be patient and wait on the season rather than barking each time a 'boys fans crosses our path.

Ignore the cowboy trolls, is what I say.

Otherwise, they'll pull you right under the bridge with them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 3:28 PM

Eureka!! We agree.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 18, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Thinker, I wasn’t really “online” back in 2000,so I wasn’t involved with any blogs/chatrooms back then, so maybe you did run into folks who supported the cut Bmitch/sigh Sanders….but I can honestly say that I have never met a Redskins fan who was happy about that when it went down…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 18, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

For the people wishing, hoping, and wanting the "redskins fans" to stop responding to the alleged Cowboy fan trolls: Has it occurred to you that they want to respond to their post? That they might find it entertaining in doing so?


Damn, lighten up. Who cares what they have to say to them or often they do it? Maybe they like to mix it up with some 'Skins haters. Anyway, its obvious that at least two of the trolls are regular RI posters who call themselves "redskins fans". They've been ex-comm'd or are just bored in general and have NOTHING else to do but to stir the emotions of Redskin fans.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 18, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

from pft
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 18, 2010 3:26 PM ET
The Miami Dolphins have picked up a veteran offensive lineman.

Guard Randy Thomas has signed with the team and was at practice today, giving the Dolphins some added depth with Nate Garner and John Jerry both battling injuries.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 18, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Eureka!! We agree.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 18, 2010 3:44 PM

I thought that we agree on everything but that we just like to challenge the other to help him bring out his best? No?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Yea Red, one of 'em is definitely perineum/skinshaveaGM. Of course, he was always a Cowchodes fan anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 18, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the Skins keep Thomas, Kelly, Moss, Austin, Armstrong, and Banks. Assign Shay Hodge to the practice squad and cut the old-heads loose. If Kelly can't get it together by week 3 they'll easily be able to bring back Galloway, Wade, Roydell or Furrey - they'll be available cause nobody else in the NFL will waste a roster space on any of those guys.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 18, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Moss, Thomas, Kelly, r, Williams, b Wade, and t Austin.

There's my 6, keeping little banksy would be a luxury that a 4-12 team doesn't have

moss, Thomas, Galloway, Wade, Williams, Kelly.

More likely.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 18, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Or Jason Taylor? Was he EVER a Redskin? I mean, really?

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 3:40 PM |

I enjoyed Jason Taylor in his Washington edition of "Dancing With the Guards".

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 18, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The last time Malcolm Kelly suited up he went for 5 catches 109 yards...

He is the biggest WR we have and it's fair to say he has the best hands. The concern is not talent but his injuries.

I think we better wait and see him on the field with a real QB before we throw him away. Just sayin...

Posted by: hender_22 | August 18, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry you might have to actually write letters/e-mails and read from a DIRECT source instead of just quoting or cut and pasting from some B-S from wiki-pedia there, guy.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 18, 2010 3:17 PM

Ha you beat me to that. When someone quotes 'wikipedia' as their evidence to prove a point you know they are either an underachieving 9 year old or have the intellectual capacity of a cantaloupe.

So a Cowgirls fan then.

Posted by: craig81 | August 18, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

or my ballsack. It's more of a Redskin then those others...oh wait.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 18, 2010 3:43 PM |

It's more like:

or my ballsack. It's attached to more of a foreskin than those others...

Posted by: TubularBells | August 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Thinker, I wasn’t really “online” back in 2000,so I wasn’t involved with any blogs/chatrooms back then, so maybe you did run into folks who supported the cut Bmitch/sigh Sanders….but I can honestly say that I have never met a Redskins fan who was happy about that when it went down…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 18, 2010 3:45 PM

Many did, unfortunately. I can't exactly recall if the support was online or just in the talk radio and news and conversations, but it went something like this:

"BMitch has lost a step. Dionne is PRIMETime! We're gonna win the SuperBowl."

May have been more to it than that, references to how B Mitch disrespected Danny Boy, etc, but that was the basic gist of it.

It was disgusting.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Dolphins sign Randy Thomas
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 18, 2010 3:26 PM ET
The Miami Dolphins have picked up a veteran offensive lineman.

Guard Randy Thomas has signed with the team and was at practice today, giving the Dolphins some added depth with Nate Garner and John Jerry both battling injuries.

In 1999, Dolphins boss Bill Parcells, who was then the coach of the Jets, picked Thomas in the second round of the NFL draft. Thomas has started 143 games in 11 seasons since then, including two games last year with the Redskins. Thomas's 2009 season was cut short when he suffered a torn triceps in September.

The Dolphins waived receiver Ryan Grice-Mullen to make space on the roster for Thomas.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 18, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

NFL News reports Miami Dolphins sign Guard Randy Thomas.........they must be hurting!

Posted by: rupertpupkin | August 18, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

A whole lot of good Kelly's hands do him when he can't keep his legs healthy.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

HEY 10PETERBILT, YOUR A LOSER AND YOUR COWGIRL TEAM TAKE A HIKE loSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | August 18, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

WTF was that? Tourette's?

Posted by: HTTR | August 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

NFL News reports Washington Redskins pick up Receiver Ryan Grice-Mullen... They must be hurting!

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

wow, I give it 4 games, before Thomas gets hurt.....some guys don't know when to hang it up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 18, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

NFL News reports Washington Redskins pick up Receiver Ryan Grice-Mullen... They must be hurting!

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"I think we better wait and see him (MK) on the field with a real QB before we throw him away. Just sayin..."


I don't think there is anyone here advocating letting MK go without his playing extensively in the preseason.

Thing is, if he can't get healthy or stay that way, well, that's his fault.

And, again, who goes to a "Hell Week" passing camp to improve his relationship with the q-back, and then returns to practice too hurt to take advantage of it?

Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The evaluation process is going to continue through the final snap of the last preseason game - we won't know about Banks, Austin and Armstrong until they play in the 1st half.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | August 18, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Did you watch the game Friday? Remind me, who caught the first TD pass in the first quarter?

Posted by: jjd72079 | August 18, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
Question is do you have Thomas playing in those games before the injury?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 18, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

scamp, if thats true about Periculium (or however its spelled) then that's unfortunate and sad.


It's loser enough to spend all your time posting up here, but to spend all your time fronting as a Redskins fan then front as a Coeboys fan is just pathetic.


It's just below "a cowboys fan trolling on a redskins blog".

Posted by: RedDMV | August 18, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

A whole lot of good Kelly's hands do him when he can't keep his legs healthy.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Real Games are 3 weeks away....

Patience....Patience....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It's more of a Redskin then those others...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 18, 2010 3:43 PM |

You need to be schooled on the difference between then and than

than: Your IQ is lower than that of a rock.

then: After MistaMoe packed your fudge for you then you suked my dik.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 18, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I live in North Laurel. The cable company decided that I couldn't watch DC channels anymore. Now there is absolutely no mention of any DC team on the Bmore stations! Why the he!! does washington news channels ever mention ANY Bmore team? Baltimore news is in the stone age. Anyone remember Loius Allen the weather man. He used to write on his weather board what was happening. This is Baltimore news and sports coverage. I hate it and the Ravens.

Posted by: DIMMY | August 18, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, the Shanahan hire and subsequent coaching has provided a glimpse of hope and a modicum of improvement.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 3:44 PM

Whoa!!!! A modicum? No.

We're talking a huge improvement. Night and Day. If Shanahan had last years team from day 1 of training camp, we'd have been around 10-6 in 2009.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Training camp is almost over, but has Shanahan put his team through haiku drill yet?

Team needs those creative skills. Here's the kind of thing Al could do with proper training:

Here I sit, winded,
Counting money to myself.
I hate Shanahan!

Posted by: farstriker | August 18, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

al, no, he'll get hurt trying to get his jersey over his shoulder pads...only it wont be a dislocation, his arm will just fall completely off.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 18, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I would be FOR keeping Brandon Banks. I just see DeSean Jackson with this guy. There aren't a lot of guys with that type of ability in the league. He's cheap. I say we keep him.

Kelly, despite his size, is not a good "jump ball" catcher. He really doesn't use his body well. Great hands, but that doesn't matter when you can't get them on the ball.

Marko Mitchell was better than Kelly. By far. Spilled Milk again. Keep Banks. Kelly? Give him one shot at a jump ball in the endzone and if it gets picked or dropped, cut him.

If there's one thing he should be able to do, that is it. We don't need somebody 6'4" catching 10 yard button-hooks. We can find somebody a lot cheaper and more durable to do that.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

HEY 10PETERBILT, YOUR A LOSER AND YOUR COWGIRL TEAM TAKE A HIKE loSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | August 18, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

WTF was that? Tourette's?

Posted by: HTTR | August 18, 2010 3:59 PM

Take a hike...one of my faves just behind "go jump in a lake" and "go fly a kite."

I'm thinking any responses to dallas fans should have to be approved by forum elders.

Posted by: PlayAction | August 18, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 18, 2010 3:17 PM"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Team

there was no internet in 1978 either yet, miraculously, there is knowledge of the man who coined the phrase and the interview that he did discussing same. shouldn't somebody on the world wide web be aware of what you have alleged to be true with regard to that newspaper? you're talking it to death but you haven't come up with even one reference to back you up. i did. now go play in traffic, talkingman.

link. link. link.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

wow, I give it 4 games, before Thomas gets hurt.....some guys don't know when to hang it up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

He arrived in Miami with a fork already in him

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Randy Thomas is taking his talents to South Beach.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/18/dolphins-sign-randy-thomas/

Parcells is hoping he brings a couple of spare tricep muscles and knee ligaments with him.

Posted by: Predator48 | August 18, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

It's more of a Redskin then those others...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 18, 2010 3:43 PM |

You need to be schooled on the difference between then and than

than: Your IQ is lower than that of a rock.

then: After MistaMoe packed your fudge for you then you suked my dik.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 18, 2010 4:06 PM |

WOW. You're not an elementary school teacher are you? Well, you'd at least make a great Substitute English teacher.

We need to quit coddling these illiterate brats... Tell them what TIME it is!

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

zceszcest1

"We're talking a huge improvement. Night and Day. If Shanahan had last year's team from day 1 of training camp, we'd have been around 10-6 in 2009."

I hear you.

But I'm not ready to go-there with one preseason game having been played.

I'll compare the 1st halves of the ravens/jets games before changing seats on the "Redskin Fan Bus of Optimism".

Unlike Rosa Parks, I will sit in the back of said bus.

And I will move forward as the season progresses and things improve overall.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

He arrived in Miami with a fork already in him

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 4:10 PM

Hilarious! I just imagine him walking through the Miami airport with that Randy Thomas smile on his face... He meets a few of his new teammates there, shaking hands... The whole time, he has a HUGE fork sticking out of his back.

His new teammates try not to make a big deal out of it, but there is concealed pointing and eyebrow wrinkling. Randy has no idea why his new buddies seem to be acting strangely.

"Let's go get something to eat," he says, smiling, "I want y'all to show me the Best Steakhouse around here!"

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if someone said this already, but doesn't "The Redskins wide receivers: another breakdown" strike anyone else as kinda funny? Hopefully not this year, Barry. Hopefully not this year.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 18, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking any responses to dallas fans should have to be approved by forum elders.

Posted by: PlayAction

As one of the elders ... keep saying that all that you need to do is link to the romo video clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVuQ5aw0HAQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t09nwnsPJ9M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yh1DyvTuDA&feature=related

There is no insult that cuts more deeply, no logical argument more effective, no trash talk more demeaning.

Trust me, for a cowpuke fan, its like watching a combo of porn video / train wreck. They can't keep from watching ... but no matter how much they hope for a different ending, it ALWAYS ends the same way.

And when it's over, you'll find the cowpuke fan balled up into a fetal position and calling for mommy.

Kind of glorious, when you think about it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't think he will be able to stay healthy, but I hope Randy Thomas is able to make the team and salvage another year or two for his career down in Miami. I will always wonder how his injury affected the '05 team in the playoffs. He was playing so well as that season was winding down...mauling guys in that Dallas game until the injury.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Unlike Rosa Parks, I will sit in the back of said bus.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 4:21 PM |

Bad analogy. This is a free-wheelin' Skins forum, not a place to throw in racial injustice memes. Not to say there are forums where that would be appropriate, though.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 18, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Assuming a back up isn't as good as a starter can be dangerous. See: the big mike Williams kook aid debacle.

Anyone who believed he was going to suddenly be better than he has ever been is smoking something good, and should pass it to me

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 18, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

PFT reporting that one, and perhaps 2, Cowboys OLmen will miss week one. I like the sound of that.

Posted by: manlius1 | August 18, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

zceszcest1

"We're talking a huge improvement. Night and Day. If Shanahan had last year's team from day 1 of training camp, we'd have been around 10-6 in 2009."

I hear you.

But I'm not ready to go-there with one preseason game having been played.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Just saying how incredibly bad Zorn was -- and how very good Shanahan is. My opinion of Shanahan is based on 20 years or so of watching him -- not on 1 preseason game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell was better than Kelly. By far. Spilled Milk again.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 18, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse


I agree 100%.

But just be careful writing that opinion.

For some reason holding the view that it would have been better to keep Mitchell for training camp incurs the wrath of certain other posters up here.

Posted by: p1funk | August 18, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 18, 2010 4:27 PM |

Dude - MistaMoe once slandered my screen name, referring to it as tubularballs instead of tubularbells. Are tubularballs and Longballs pretty much the same? It would help my self-confidence immeasurably to know that I had a cohort on the blog.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 18, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Randy Thomas in Miami???

That's surprising...I wonder what happened with Oakland and New Orleans...

Posted by: p1funk | August 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

PFT reporting that one, and perhaps 2, Cowboys OLmen will miss week one. I like the sound of that.

Posted by: manlius1

Sweeeet!!!!! romo's gonna get crushed!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't think BANKS at closer to 5' 6" than his listed 5'7" will ever be anything other than an emergency WR. Now MARKO MITCHELL on the other hand..........FREE 'TD' MARKO. This org wouldn't know WR talent if it jumped up and bit them on the rump.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Kelly has more catches than Galloway in the last 2 years.

Thomas has twice as many

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 18, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

PFT reporting that one, and perhaps 2, Cowboys OLmen will miss week one. I like the sound of that.

Posted by: manlius1 | August 18, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse


That's actually a little disappointing, because it's gonna give all the Brokebacking yodlers the excuse they need to hang the impending loss on.

I'd rather have them fully healthy and then maul them.

Oh, well...

Posted by: p1funk | August 18, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

There's my 6, keeping little banksy would be a luxury that a 4-12 team doesn't have

moss, Thomas, Galloway, Wade, Williams, Kelly.

More likely.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 18, 2010 3:51 PM |


Ughh...

The "Luxury" of having a guy who can score anytime he touches a punt? The "Luxury" of having a guy who can flip the field position battle with one return?

One of the MANY reasons we were 4-12 last year is because we DID NOT have a guy like that who could provide a spark. The guy's a play maker.

If he keeps it up through the nest few games, how do you let that guy go? We kept Rock a few extra years, and he was certainly no threat to score.

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Just saying how incredibly bad Zorn was -- and how very good Shanahan is. My opinion of Shanahan is based on 20 years or so of watching him -- not on 1 preseason game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 4:42 PM |

I guess he was pretty sharp when he and horseface won two SBs for the Broncs, which was many moons ago, chiefie. Don't think you could say the same when he exited the Broncs with a pink slip in his pocket, after his last NFL game. Where is he now? We have to wait and see.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 18, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

There's my 6, keeping little banksy would be a luxury that a 4-12 team doesn't have

moss, Thomas, Galloway, Wade, Williams, Kelly.

More likely.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 18, 2010 3:51 PM |


Kelly?

Is there one single reason you can produce at this point to justify keeping Kelly on the roster?

Posted by: p1funk | August 18, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Unlike Rosa Parks, I will sit in the back of said bus.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 4:21 PM |

Bad analogy. This is a free-wheelin' Skins forum, not a place to throw in racial injustice memes. Not to say there are forums where that would be appropriate, though.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 18, 2010 4:37 PM

New self-appointed arbiter of what's appropriate to post on RI??

Moe's posts are smart, informative, and funny. You're mad about him having a little fun with your odd handle?

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 18, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Is there one single reason you can produce at this point to justify keeping Kelly on the roster?

Posted by: p1funk

To give him one more chance... and I know he's had plenty of chances but just can't stay on the field. He looks like the perfect reciever. Big and tall, something we've never had before. They say he has the best hands. Give up one more chance, and I know Shanahan doesn't owe him anything because Allen and Shanahan weren't the ones who drafted him, but I don't want to give up on him yet, either.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 18, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Scary how strong the NFC East is.Kolb and Vick look good.We will be out of shape for 2 or 3 games.I think we will be overwhelmed for a game or two.Too young in the system and all.I predict a 4- 5 game winning streak mid season and barely missing the playoffs.

Posted by: mark65 | August 18, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

no excuses from the cowboys side.
likewise no matter what injuries crop up between now and 9/12 for the redtards, no excuses. 'boys own donovan mcfatt anyway.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 18, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm 6'4" and I have good hands. Does that mean I deserve a spot on the Redskins roster? Kelly is not fast. Kelly does not run good routes. Kelly is injured more often than not. Height and hands are not enough.

Posted by: kaasmaster | August 18, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Just saying how incredibly bad Zorn was -- and how very good Shanahan is. My opinion of Shanahan is based on 20 years or so of watching him -- not on 1 preseason game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 4:42 PM |

I guess he was pretty sharp when he and horseface won two SBs for the Broncs, which was many moons ago, chiefie. Don't think you could say the same when he exited the Broncs with a pink slip in his pocket, after his last NFL game. Where is he now? We have to wait and see.

Posted by: TubularBells

Lets see. Shanahan is 2nd among wins among active coaches, 2 less than the guy coaching the Pats. That's where Shanahan is ... among the very best in the biz.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"I guess he was pretty sharp when he and horseface won two SBs for the Broncs, which was many moons ago, chiefie. Don't think you could say the same when he exited the Broncs with a pink slip in his pocket, after his last NFL game."

The SB wins may have been "many moons ago," but he had the Broncs in the AFC title game as recently as 2005, the last of three straight years that he took the team to the playoffs. He didn't turn into a dunce and forget everything he knew about football in those five years. Sometimes a coach, even a successful one, just wears out his welcome with an organization, and its time for a change. I think that's what happened with Shanny and Denver.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | August 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, when Cutler was being rumored for his trade out of Denver, one of the questions asked was:

Do you Jay Cutler to QB the Skins?
My answer was NO

The second question was, would you want Jay Cutler to QB the Skins if its part of a deal that makes Mike Shanahan the HC?
My answer was YES

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Playing catch up...Did Randy Thomas sign with Miami?

Posted by: krystal_ball | August 18, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm 6'4" and I have good hands. Does that mean I deserve a spot on the Redskins roster? Kelly is not fast. Kelly does not run good routes. Kelly is injured more often than not. Height and hands are not enough.

Posted by: kaasmaster | August 18, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

If he were competing with good players, I'd be inclined to agree with you.

As it is, he's competing with Roydell Williams (short, not fast, not big, injured for the last two years, average hands, average routes) Joey Galloway (old, not big, injured for the last two years, questionable routes at his age) and Bobby Wade (short, not big, not fast, average hands, average routes).

Let's not act like people are saying Kelly should make the Packers roster over 5 or 6 different proven and high-potential receivers.

If we cut Williams and/or Wade in favor of Kelly, and then Kelly gets hurt again forcing us to look for somebody else mid-season -- I highly doubt we'd be in trouble finding somebody of Williams' or Wade's caliber to fill his roster spot at that time.

Heck, I'd even bet that one or the other wouldn't have a job midseason anyway, should they get cut from the Redskins in training camp.

Kelly has potential for growth. Those other guys do not. That's why you hang onto Kelly for a bit longer.

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Oops I'll answer my own question...Yes

Posted by: krystal_ball | August 18, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 3:28 PM |

My name is Mikey. And I say, I like bashing Cowboy Fans.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 5:21 PM

That was the best argument I've heard for keeping Kelly. Not sure I'm convinced yet, but it is worth considering.

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse


link. link. link.

Posted by: 10peterbilt

10peterbilt = dink. dink. dink.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

psps23

I've been hoping for good things from Kelly ever since I saw him make a short catch in preseason a couple years ago. But its impossible not to notice how often he's been hurt.

Plus, its not like several of the injuries came from contact. We're not talking bruised ribs from a big hit. His knees are a problem and he came into camp with his hammy already tweaked.

I hate to give up on him -- but yeah, its time to pull the plug.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

If Miami is gonna use Thomas for insurance/spot duty every once in a while for vet minimum, then good for them. If they expect Thomas to play regularly, they are flat crazy. He's been washed up as a starter for 2/3 years now.

Many of us were calling for Thomas and Samuels to be "retired" and replaced last off season, and neither made it more than 3 games into the season.

Painful looking back...

Posted by: edvar | August 18, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

My opinion of Shanahan is based on 20 years or so of watching him -- not on 1 preseason game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 4:42 PM |

Shanny must have felt more than just a little twinge of irony when the Skins flattened the Bills in the first preseason game. It were this same Bills team in 2008 that beat Shanny's Broncs at home in Denver when all the Broncs had to do was beat the Bills to win the division and get into the playoffs. A Bills team that did not win a game in their own division that year, sort of like the Skins in 2009.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 18, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Shanny must have felt more than just a little twinge of irony when the Skins flattened the Bills in the first preseason game. It were this same Bills team in 2008 that beat Shanny's Broncs at home in Denver when all the Broncs had to do was beat the Bills to win the division and get into the playoffs. A Bills team that did not win a game in their own division that year, sort of like the Skins in 2009.

Posted by: TubularBells

Not at all worried about Shanahan being consumed by irony. A guy with all those championship rings and all those wins ... not at all worried.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Kelly has potential for growth. Those other guys do not. That's why you hang onto Kelly for a bit longer.

Posted by: psps23 | August 18, 2010 5:21 PM

In order to grow you have to be healthy. Kelly can't do that. That's why you let him go.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 5:47 PM |

Didn't I once see your ugly puss on the cover of an issue of Mad mag?

Posted by: TubularBells | August 18, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

kelly will make the team at least for another year galloway can be cut he only caught 20 passes or less last year and at 38yrs is not the answer no team at this time will pick up galloway.

Posted by: wathu19 | August 18, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, find it hard to believe that Shanny will cut Kelly and keep only one "big" receiver. Can you imagine 's more than six feet tall (Thomas)? That sounds like something Vinny Cerrato would have done... If Kelly shows anything at all, I think Shanny keeps him, if only to have someone other than Thomas who can run patterns like square in routes right into LBs and safeties. I'm sorry, but as much as most people like both BB and Terrence Austin (me included), those two guys are so similar in their apparent skillset that I think Shanny makes a tough call and keeps only one, with Kelly the beneficiary as long as he comes back at some point before the regular season. My prediction for our final receiver lineup: Moss, Galloway, Thomas, Kelly, Armstrong, Banks, with Austin on the practice squad.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | August 18, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 5:47 PM |

Didn't I once see your ugly puss on the cover of an issue of Mad mag?

Posted by: TubularBells

doubtful. a messed up imagination is probably a side effect of the drugs you use

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

What I meant to say in my second sentence was: "Can you imagine only one WR more than six feet tall (Thomas)?"

Posted by: skinsfan713 | August 18, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

In other amusing news, Dallas lost another starting offensive lineman, as in HA ha!

Also, on Al Davis running up 17 points in the 4th quarter on Jerry Jones, HA ha. [And how odd is was it to see Jason Campbell throwing for TDs?]

Also, regarding the Big Forehead's little brother's forehead in the Giants game, who would have expected so much blood and stitches for a popped zit? HA ha.

I can't think of anything to ridicule Philly about right now. Still, HA ha.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Can the Redskins get their money back from Kelly? IMO, the man does not want to be on this team! Bye,Bye Kelly!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | August 18, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Unlike Rosa Parks, I will sit in the back of said bus.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 18, 2010 4:21 PM |
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Ah ha, hush that fuss
Everybody move to the back of the bus
Do you wanna bump and slump with us
We the type of people make the club get crunk

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

This comes to us from tshirthell.com.
Don`t mess with Texas, it`s not nice to make fun of retards.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | August 18, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

on Kelly. He's a classic possession guy. Big, good hands, and willing to fight for the ball. Those are good attributes.

Possession WRs are hugely important -- they are a big part of most successful teams.

Think Colston of the Saints. When Drew Brees got hot in the SB, he started off by getting himself in synch with Colston. Then the other pieces of the offense fell into place and the Saints rolled from there.

Art Monk was a great WR, and people often criticized him for being a 'just a possession' WR. Thing is, to me, its harder -- and more important -- to find the possession WR.

Possession WRs need to be physically and mentally tough. They go over the middle and take the biggest hits. Plus, they are usually needed as a blocker that takes on the LB and holds his own.

With Kelly, I don't see the physical or mental toughness. Does he have talent and size and all that? Yes. But you need more than that to be a successful possession guy. I've only seen 1/2 of what it takes to succeed from Kelly. Which is why I think he's gone.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 18, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I like how beep-beep (yeah real original name there pal) has decided what is and isn't appropriate blog posting material.

I also enjoy how said poster has become the end-all, be-all, in terms of dictating how posters post here and who posters address or are told not to address in blog responses.

Keep it up cool guy.

Oh, and this fart's for you!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

This comes to us from tshirthell.com.
Don`t mess with Texas, it`s not nice to make fun of retards.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | August 18, 2010 6:09 PM
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Okay, well maybe we should tell that to Rain Man, because he practically bankrupted a casino, and he was a ri-tard.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

My name is Mikey. And I say, I like bashing Cowboy Fans.

Posted by: hessone | August 18, 2010 5:27 PM

Nah, Mikey, you're chicken sheet. You sit here on RI and wink at them. If you liked bashing them, you'd go on their blog and bash them.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

HEAR IS A NEW THOUGHT..EXPERIENCE IS WAY OVERRATED!! KELLY, AND THOMAS HAVE YET TO LOOK NEARLY AS GOOD AS DEsHAN JACKSON DID IN HIS FIRST YEAR (NO EXPERIENCE). MARQUESE ..WHAT`S HIS NAME ..PLAYS FOR THE SAINTS.
HE WAS A 7TH ROUND PICK..HAD A GREAT FIRST YEAR (NO EXPERIENCE).
IF YOU HAVE TALENT, INSTINCT, AND SPEED...IT TRUMPS EXPERIENCE..AND A LACK OF PRODUCTION.

I WOULD KEEP BANKS, ARMSTRONG, AUSTIN..TO GO WITH SANTANA..AND FILL IN WITH WHO IS LEFT.
WITH TWO EXCELLENT TIGHT ENDS..SPEED ON THE OUTSIDE..WILL CONTINUE TO STRETCH THE DEFENSES. IT TOOK THOMAS SEVERAL YEARS TO EVEN LEARN THE PLAYS, KELLY IS CONTINUALLY HURT....DUMP ANYONE WHO CAN`T GET IT DONE!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | August 18, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

It would be a sad day in redskin nation if the skins cut Kelly and he ends up in Minn with Marko Mitchell and they become the best WR tandum in the NFL

Posted by: kingpenn1 | August 18, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Keep it up cool guy.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 18, 2010 6:11 PM

LOL. This coming from the guy who's killer move is "I pooped."

Posted by: beep-beep | August 18, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

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