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Wide receiver situation might be more settled than it seems

In today's editions of the paper, Barry Svrluga takes an in-depth look at the Redskins' wide receiver situation.

Although it is widely believed top wide receiver Santana Moss is the only member of group guaranteed a spot on the opening 53-man roster, the situation may be more settled than it seems. The Redskins are expected to carry six wideouts into the regular season, and 15-year veteran Joey Galloway appears to be in a good position.

Galloway, 38, was prepared to retire after an outstanding career that has included 689 receptions, 10,777 yards and 78 touchdowns (one rushing). But the Redskins called and Galloway is physically sound, so he decided to give the game another year.

General Manager Bruce Allen, with whom Galloway worked as a member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, respects Galloway, and Coach Mike Shanahan prefers to have as many accomplished veterans as possible on the roster. So if everything holds to form, Galloway will be on the team.

Much has been made about Devin Thomas being listed as the third-string X receiver, or split end, on the first two released depth charts. The third-year player had a strong performance on offense (he muffed the game's opening kickoff return) in the 42-17 victory over the Buffalo Bills, and few receivers in the league possess his combination of size and speed.

Thomas believes Shanahan has been hard on him because Shanahan realizes he has the potential to be a highly productive wideout, and Thomas may be correct.

"His attitude has been great," Shanahan said the other day. "He's working hard. I think he's said it best: You've got to go out there everyday and prove yourself and you've got to do the little things the right way. He's gone out there, he's worked and he's tried to improve in every area. I like his attitude. I like his work ethic."

Other teams inquired about trading for Thomas in the offseason, and he may be the team's most talented all-around wideout not named Moss. It would be a major surprise if Thomas fails to make the roster, and he eventually could start opposite Moss.

Moss, Galloway and Thomas all have experience. Rookies Brandon Banks and Terrence Austin would provide an infusion of youth as well intriguing options in the return game.

Banks scored on a 77-yard punt return in the 42-17 victory over the Buffalo Bills. The diminutive player also has impressed Shanahan on offense. Austin has surprised coaches as a receiver, team sources say, and with the exception of his rough outing Monday has been a sure-handed returner.

Malcolm Kelly has been sidelined since early in training camp because of a nagging hamstring injury, Roydell Williams is attempting to revive his career after sitting out the past two seasons because of injuries and Anthony Armstrong seems to make big plays whenever he's on the field. Kelly's size (6-feet-4, 211 pounds) and outstanding hands may prompt Shanahan to keep him around. Barring significant changes in performance and the unforeseen, it seems Kelly, Williams and Armstrong may be fighting for the final spot.

By Jason Reid  |  August 17, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  Devin Thomas , Malcolm Kelly , Santana Moss , wide receivers  | Tags: Devin Thomas, Joey Galloway, Malcolm Kelly, Santana Moss  
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Malcolm Kelly is out with the FIRST wave of cuts. Book it!

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 6:09 AM | Report abuse

Wow Reid...way to completely overlook Bobby Wade. Dude is a decent possession receiver and plays special teams...his chances have to be better than Kelly and Armstrong's combined...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 6:13 AM | Report abuse

Keim's Studs and Duds:

Studs

TE Fred Davis. More consistent than Sunday when he dropped three balls but grabbed several passes. I love the play in which he runs across the field, away from where the QB is rolling; QB stops and throws back to a wide-open Davis. Love the misdirection. And, yes, he caught a ball on that play today. Ran right past Chris Draft down the middle for another catch; just speed.

DE Vonnie Holliday. To say he owned Edwin Williams today was putting it mildly. Holliday still looks like he has something left, though he’s mostly worked vs. backups. Still, he has a good first step and it shows. On consecutive plays, he got Williams to lunge once and then off-balance on the second, leaving his head down and Holliday at the quarterback.

DL Darrion Scott. To say he owned Selvish Capers is putting it mildly. Scott got into his pads and then slowed up so he wouldn’t kill the quarterback. On the next play, he got the edge vs. Capers and would have had a sack. Later, he showed Chad Rinehart back and followed that up by beating Capers again.

LB London Fetcher. Sometimes, it’s just fun to watch the guy. Not because he’s the best ever, but because he plays hard all the time and even in practice has a hunger to make a tackle. Saw that on a play in which he scraped along the line, but was stumbling a little because he’d been hit. Still, he kept going, never lost balance and lunged at Willie Parker. The hit caused a fumble. And his coverage has been good; had Chris Cooley covered on one route down the middle, forcing an errant pass.

LB H.B. Blades: His most active practice. Forced a Willie Parker fumble with one hit, stripped Fred Davis after a catch and then filled the hole nicely on a Larry Johnson run for a stop.

C Casey Rabach: Handled himself well vs. Maake Kemoeatu and steered him where he wanted to go; sometimes it was right into a double team. Rabach helped create a couple nice openings, including one for Johnson.

DE Phillip Daniels. Going against second-teamers, Daniels showed his strength. He seems to have a second gear for power. Once, the QB rolled away from Daniels so he held his ground. The minute the QB started working his way back to that side, Daniels simply overpowered Stephon Heyer. This came a play or two after he had powered Heyer back followed by the same thing of Will Montgomery. Daniels and Adam Carriker are suited for this defense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Duds

NG Maake Kemoeatu. Got moved around a bit too much today. For a big guy, he doesn’t always seem to play with as much power as some other linemen. But his job is more or less to eat space and he does that fine. Still, the O-line moved him out of some holes and it resulted in good runs.

LT Selvish Capers. Well, if you read the studs part first you know why he’s on this list. Not a good day by the rookie. Allowed Holliday to get into his pads a bit too much and he did not set quick enough, either.

G Edwin Williams. Was a bit off; lunged a couple times and dropped his head on at least one pass protection, leading to more troubles. Williams played well vs. Buffalo, but he was not impressive this morning.

RB Keiland Williams. His problem at LSU? Fumbles. What did he do this morning when hit by H.B. Blades? Fumble.

WR Brandon Banks. Beat Ramzee Robinson on a go-route, but had Richard Bartel’s pass slip through his arms. Looked like he could have caught the ball. Earlier, attempting to block Justin Tryon, he was thrown to the ground. I’ll have a little more on him in my notes/analysis.

PR Terrence Austin. He dropped two punts in a row, both times he had to move a little bit to catch them. He’s shown good hands during training camp, but this was a rough day.

RG Chad Rinehart. Seeing too many guys muscle him back, whether it was Phillip Daniels or Jeremy Jarmon or, really anyone. Jarmon stunted once to his hole and moved him back far enough that Richard Bartel could not step up and to throw. It resulted in a weak pass that Robert Henson knocked down.

LB Chris Draft: Just doesn’t look as fluid in coverage and does not move as athletically as the other linebackers. His strength is special teams, but he still needs to show he could possibly help at LB. Today, he was beaten right off the line by Davis, who never attempted a fake. He just ran past him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly is out with the FIRST wave of cuts. Book it!

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 6:09 AM

Malcolm Kelly is out before then. As soon as he's healthy he gets cut. Don't want to risk another hammy and an "injury settlement."

Posted by: beep-beep | August 17, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly is out before then. As soon as he's healthy he gets cut. Don't want to risk another hammy and an "injury settlement."

Posted by: beep-beep | August 17, 2010 6:31 AM


You'd be better off waiting for Rosie O'Donnell to get pretty than Kelly to get healthy...dude is a virtual lock to pull a hammy just walking out of the facility with all his belongings...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

That schmuck Sal Paolantonio writing about McNabb...that dude is so Philly-centric I can't stand it:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/16847/redskins-mcnabb-i-just-have-to-be-me

It did remind me of something I noticed during the game Friday night though...did anyone see Snyder's interview in the booth? Dude has lost A LOT of weight...maybe he's working out with Haynesworth's trainer...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

You'd be better off waiting for Rosie O'Donnell to get pretty than Kelly to get healthy...dude is a virtual lock to pull a hammy just walking out of the facility with all his belongings...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 6:37 AM

Nah. All you need is for some doctor, on the Redskins payroll, to say that Rosie's pretty or, at least, that she has "an inner beauty." Then you dump her.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 17, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

F-ing Ginas...those rat bastards are already about 4 deep at the WR spot and now they have this undrafted Victor Cruz kid coming out of nowhere to ball out last night. We can't even get ONE dynamic WR and those jerks have more than they know what to do with...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

I'd have to agree with the writer that Moss / Thomas are a lock; but beyond that I have to depart from the reporter here: between Banks and Austin only one will probably make the roster (as the sixth and final receiver). Right now Banks has a slight edge, but I contend that his mere size is a liability; I don't care how 'plucky' you are - when those 240 lb LB’s and 280 lb backup TE’s start barreling down on that kid during the regular season - at 5'7" 150 lbs the kid is headed for injured reserve by week two. He needs some time on the practice squad and to work for a season with the strength and conditioning people to put some meat on his bones -- or he could very easily end up disabled, (he ain't that fast). It seems more likely that: Kelly and Anthony Armstrong will be the next two they keep, and with Moss, Thomas, Armstrong and Kelly, it's possible that Roydell Williams will get lucky at #5, but it is entirely unlikely. Hopefully (and that's a big 'hopefully' because to this point it doesn't appear that Bruce Allen possesses anything beyond that plastic smile of his, and nothing in the way of a brain), but Allen should be working out that deal for Vincent Jackson - at 27 or 28 years old and 6'4" 210 lb's who the heck needs a draft pick? Hey Bruce 'MAKE THE DEAL'! It would be very stupid and short sighted for them to keep Galloway -- dude is an assistant coach, at best, and his skills and performance have diminished of late -- why put him on the roster? He's friggin' 38! Round out the core with Austin and you've got the six the 'Skins should keep. Of course they won't, and the WR corps will be a disaster, but a fellow can dream can't he?

Posted by: guisher | August 17, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

As for the receivers....I wonder what's going through Bruce Allen's mind after watching an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE light it up????

Okay, let's say that it was luck, it still shows that the scouting dept has a long way to go in evaluating talent. No excuse on why the Giants appear to just find guys to come in and play for them. It seem that since Plax left (went up state) that they now have nearly 4-5 receivers..NOT COUNTING TIGHT ENDS, that can play, or atleast contribute...that's disturbing.

I sure hope that we atleast hit with banks or austin as a KR.

It's said to say but maybe Kelly will either be on the Practice Sqd or have to prove himself elsewhwere...

Posted by: impervious99 | August 17, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow Reid...way to completely overlook Bobby Wade. Dude is a decent possession receiver and plays special teams...his chances have to be better than Kelly and Armstrong's combined...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 6:13 AM
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He overlooked Furrey, too, didn't he? I heard Furrey was looking good prior to the concussion...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 17, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

As for the receivers....I wonder what's going through Bruce Allen's mind after watching an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE light it up????

Okay, let's say that it was luck, it still shows that the scouting dept has a long way to go in evaluating talent.

It's said to say but maybe Kelly will either be on the Practice Sqd or have to prove himself elsewhwere...

Posted by: impervious99 | August 17, 2010 7:35 AM

Impervious? Probably to intelligence.

Kelly's not eligible for the practice squad.

And an undrafted rookie playing well in preseason? That shows a failure at Redskins Park? Duh. 32 teams didn't draft the guy. Let's fire all the scouts and get you out there.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 17, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

As for the receivers....I wonder what's going through Bruce Allen's mind after watching an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE light it up????

Okay, let's say that it was luck, it still shows that the scouting dept has a long way to go in evaluating talent. No excuse on why the Giants appear to just find guys to come in and play for them. It seem that since Plax left (went up state) that they now have nearly 4-5 receivers..NOT COUNTING TIGHT ENDS, that can play, or atleast contribute...that's disturbing.


I sure hope that we atleast hit with banks or austin as a KR.

It's said to say but maybe Kelly will either be on the Practice Sqd or have to prove himself elsewhwere...

Posted by: impervious99 | August 17, 2010 7:35 AM
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The Redskins have a whole gang of "contributors" sitting on the roster. I think the point is to identify a game breaker and I would argue that the Giants haven't had that guy since Plaxico left. As for Allen, I would take him over the Giants GM any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He has transformed our offensive line and given the defense the players needed to transition to a 3-4. Conversely, the Giants have not adequately addressed their secondary or linebacking corps. That, coupled with the fact that they don't have a decent defensive coordinator, and teams will be rolling up points on them this year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 17, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

That's what I was getting at impervious...the Ginas have an embarrassment of riches at WR and we can't even get ONE that's not a hamstring tweak away from leaving us destitute. I still like Dominik Hixon and I hope the Skins make a run at him in '11 (provided his knee is sound), but it just chaps my ass that NY can be 4 or 5 deep at WR and we can't even scratch together a decent starting two...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

RSH, not sure I agree with your assessment of the Giants...Jerry Reese has done a pretty good job there overall and the contributions from their '07 draft class was a big reason for their SB win. Plus the clown they had at D-coordinator last year is long gone and they've now got Perry Fewell, who I think is a pretty underrated coach. I doubt they're any better than 8-8 this year, but I wouldn't exactly say that Bruce Allen is head-and-shoulders better than Reese either.

I hate you New York Giants...but damn it if I don't respect you...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

brown who are their wideouts? I know Hakeem Nicks, but who else?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 17, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Greg, they have Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks, Ramses Barden, Derek Hagan, and this undrafted kid who blew up last night, Victor Cruz. And that's not including Sinorice Moss (who's probably getting cut now that Cruz has announced his presence on a national stage). No superstars in the lot, but I'd bet at least 2 of 'em could be at least a decent #1.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

"Malcolm Kelly is out with the FIRST wave of cuts."

I dunno.

It seems that Shanahan has been patience with the right people.

He waited on Prince Al.

And, I think, he'll give MK this week to get healthy, figuring the final two weeks will determine his status with the team.

I think Wade and Furrey and Williams are the ones who should be looking over their shoulders if Austin and Banks and Thomas and Armstrong show they can hold their own.

If MK is cut, we might be looking at this group come Labor Day:

Moss
Galloway
Thomas
Austin
Armstrong
Banks


And when you figure F Davis will be our best #2 receiver, that's not a bad group to field as it gives you 3 youngn's with blazing speed to groom.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 17, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse


The Giants have been spending high picks on those WRs

Nicks = 1st round

Sinorice Moss = 2nd round

Steve Smith/Manningham/Barden = 3rd round

Hixon = 4th round

While they've hit on a few, guys like Hixon and Moss have never really had an impact for the team.

Also, with the exception of Nicks, none of these guys have been immediate impact players and have worked their way into the system.

When you have a stable coaching staff, legit QB and Oline, you can afford to invest picks in these skill positions and develop them - something we've not been able to do.

Oh I forgot. You also actually need draft picks to make it happen.

Posted by: p1funk | August 17, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

RSH, not sure I agree with your assessment of the Giants...Jerry Reese has done a pretty good job there overall and the contributions from their '07 draft class was a big reason for their SB win. Plus the clown they had at D-coordinator last year is long gone and they've now got Perry Fewell, who I think is a pretty underrated coach. I doubt they're any better than 8-8 this year, but I wouldn't exactly say that Bruce Allen is head-and-shoulders better than Reese either.

I hate you New York Giants...but damn it if I don't respect you...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 7:58 AM
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I'd say Jerry Reese has done a great job over the years, but since that Superbowl season I think he's made some bad picks and bad free agent signings. I'm not sold on their receivers, but my point wasn't that their receivers were a bunch of scrubs. My point was Bruce Allen didn't have as much to work with as Reese this year as far as players on the roster when he came in, but this team is every bit as good - if not better - than the Giants already.

As for this Victor Cruz kid, maybe he is all that or maybe he just had a "Marko Mitchell" evening. Jets are a little thin at DB right now, so maybe he was just taking advantage of the inferior talent. BTW, since Bruce Allen is a genius, maybe he has another DB hanging out on the roster he can trade to the Jets for some o-line help...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 17, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

hasn't sinorice been a disappointment for them?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 17, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg, Moss has been a disappointment in NY...which is why I didn't really include him in the final tally. Indications are if Cruz makes their squad, it'll be at Moss' expense.

RSH, if Marko Mitchell was capable of a game like Cruz had last night--even in preseason--then he'd still be a Redskin. He's not so he's gone. PLEASE let's not reopen that book.

pfunk, Hixon was a Shanahan pick in Denver, I believe...Giants picked him up off waivers so I'm not sure he'd count as a draft disappointment per se. They crapped the bed on Moss (probably took him a round too early anyway) but the other guys are solid. You're right about the picks though...hopefully we can locate some solid WR talent now that we have a decent line and a QB.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Sadly for the Giants they now could have the weakest QB in the NFC East.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 17, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"The Giants have been spending high picks on those WRs"


If Plax doesn't do something stupid, those picks don't happen.

And I think we all need to disabuse ourselves of the notion that every receiver has to be Jerry Rice, jr..

I'd say 3 dependable guys who can get 40-55 catches a piece over a season (sorta like what the saints do) will make for a good passing offense today.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 17, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

RSH, if Marko Mitchell was capable of a game like Cruz had last night--even in preseason--then he'd still be a Redskin. He's not so he's gone. PLEASE let's not reopen that book.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 8:47 AM
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Again, you mis-read what I was saying. I am not suggesting that MM should not have been cut. I am saying this kid with the Giants had one good night in a preseason game with a bunch of guys who will be bagging groceries in another month. Let's not annoint him as the second coming of Jerry Rice - or that he's just better than Sinorice Moss - just yet.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 17, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm not really worried about WR (although the idea of Galloway is troubling). Like others, I am looking for the Redskins to get younger by finding good young players that will help them re-establish the team as a consistent winner.

Shanny & Co. seem like pretty serious, rigorous, hard-nosed folk. We should be confident that their decisions about who makes the team will be solid.

This isn't easy for us of course because the last two years our coach had no authority and probably less ability to sort out the roster. "Vinny's guys" made the team no matter what.

That's not to say Shanny won't or doesn't have his favorites. All coaches do.

My concern with the current regime is about building for the future.

I am also concerned about the O-line. It increasingly seems like this is not going to be a solid unit due to age, injuries, and skill. Lack of depth will hurt us this year. Cross your fingers it gets addressed again in the offseason.

Unfortunately there will be other needs to address then and that is where the lack of picks hurts as always. Donovan and Jammal Brown are here, and there is a price for that.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 17, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Excellent point, Moe...I want 3 solid WRs for the Skins more than I do one guy who's good for 100 catches a year. I'm sure McNabb and Shanahan would agree.

My bad RSH...just the mention of Marko Mitchell is enough to set the blog ablaze so I just prefer to avoid his name altogether. But to the Cruz point...I think the Jets were playing some of their regulars longer than is considered prudent so I don't think Cruz went nuts on all slappies, some were guys that will be pressed into action with Revis out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

So qucik question. How many starters are left for the Ravens 2ndary, didn't they trade for our 6th string DB so he could be a starter or something?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 17, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

My concern with the current regime is about building for the future.

I am also concerned about the O-line. It increasingly seems like this is not going to be a solid unit due to age, injuries, and skill. Lack of depth will hurt us this year. Cross your fingers it gets addressed again in the offseason.

Unfortunately there will be other needs to address then and that is where the lack of picks hurts as always. Donovan and Jammal Brown are here, and there is a price for that.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 17, 2010 9:00 AM
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I think the starting o-line could be a solid unit if they stay healthy. I worry about depth, though. Rinehart was run over in the game and sounds like the same thing is happening in Redskins' practices. Heyer is the most polished of the backup tackles and he can't handle speed rushers. Capers is a project that needs time both in practice and in the weight room. It sounds like Edwin Williams was getting tossed around yesterday, and even though he has played well, he has an annoying habit of dropping his head. All things considered, I think the o-line will be fine. Shanny's offense is offensive line friendly with its misdirection and rollouts. You don't have to be a world class lineman to do okay.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 17, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I still don't get cutting Marko Mitchell - I could have seen starting him, Moss and Thomas. It looks like he's going to make the VIKINGS who already had 3 receivers as good or better than any on our team.

I just dont see Galloway as an every-down receiver at this stage of his career. Moss and Thomas sure ... Banks could be for deep, multi-wr sets and Galloway for 3rd-downs, red-zone but you need a reliable 3rd guy. Right now that looks like Williams to me if he can get more consistent.

It's not guaranteed we carry 6 WR and not 5 - it totally depends on what happens with the RBs.

Posted by: mac2j | August 17, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Alex, I'm pretty sure Ladarius Webb is the their best available CB and he's coming off a knee injury. I'm fairly certain if we came and tried out they'd at least hear us out.

That's why I don't get why everyone is still buying that team as a SB contender...right now their front 7 is solid but their DBs are shredded wheat, plus they've got very little speed on offense. There's no reason why the Bengals shouldn't win that division...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Mac2j,
I think the question of how many WR's and RB's we carry all depends on who we get at KR/PR

The likelihood is that +1 slot on either specialist position will be the guy running back the ball to start the half.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 17, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Excellent point, Moe...I want 3 solid WRs for the Skins more than I do one guy who's good for 100 catches a year. I'm sure McNabb and Shanahan would agree.

My bad RSH...just the mention of Marko Mitchell is enough to set the blog ablaze so I just prefer to avoid his name altogether. But to the Cruz point...I think the Jets were playing some of their regulars longer than is considered prudent so I don't think Cruz went nuts on all slappies, some were guys that will be pressed into action with Revis out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:07 AM
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You're right. I'll do a Harry Potter from now and just call him "he whose name we do not speak".

I'm not necessarily looking for 100 catch per season receivers but I would like a receiver that is money on third down. I wouldn't say Moss is that guy. We've got two tight ends that could help with that, but I am thinking when its third and a country mile, you're going to have all speedy little receivers in there and not tight ends. Who is the guy that is the lock to catch the ball? I guess that is where I was going with my evaluation of the Giants receivers. They don't have that money guy, either. Plax was. Art Monk was. Jerry Rice was.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 17, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I still don't get cutting Marko Mitchell


you can't make this stuff up....MM flamed out with the Redskins, and then with the Detroit Lions.....where is the confusion...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 17, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I still don't get cutting Marko Mitchell - I could have seen starting him, Moss and Thomas. It looks like he's going to make the VIKINGS who already had 3 receivers as good or better than any on our team.

Posted by: mac2j | August 17, 2010 9:15 AM


RSH, you see now why I jumped when you brought up Marko? Because of crap like this...UFB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

@dallasinthedmv

Honest and true stats about McNabb vs. Cowboys, dmv, but you're aiding and abetting the enemy. Let 'em stay blissfully ignorant and all 'hopeful'. LMAO!!!


@Cadaver Fans

Washington is the only place where there is a true and honest market for old wide receivers with bad wheels. The Cowboys let Galloway go six years ago because he was washed up and here the Cadavers are STARTING him! In 2010. LMAO!!

Galloway is clearly the reason it smells like an old folks home on this Deadskins Insider board. Stay tuned for the upcoming thread on the next big WR signing - Raymond Berry!!

Y'all Deadskins fans are funny!

Hell
To
The
Deadskins!

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 17, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

ITA guys....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 17, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I still don't get cutting Marko Mitchell - I could have seen starting him, Moss and Thomas. It looks like he's going to make the VIKINGS who already had 3 receivers as good or better than any on our team.

Posted by: mac2j | August 17, 2010 9:15 AM

RSH, you see now why I jumped when you brought up Marko? Because of crap like this...UFB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:23 AM
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Sorry for invoking the name of "he whose name we do not speak". I'll not mention Leigh Torrence, Antonio Pierce or Lavar Arrington, either.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 17, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

RSH, to be fair, not many teams DO have a guy that is money on 3rd down. I wouldn't exactly sleep on Moss though...dude made some pretty money catches for us in tough spots in the past and I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe he can't do it anymore (provided he can keep his hamstrings together for an entire season). In fact, I'd go as far as to say he's the most clutch WR in the NFC East right now (not the BEST...the most CLUTCH).

I know this will be met with groans, but I'm still not sure we're out of the running for Vincent Jackson. John Clayton says if nothing gets better before Friday, the liklihood that VJ is dealt increases quite a bit. Not necessarily saying I want it happen, but I don't believe we're out of the running until the trade deadline passes...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The O line has problems with starters and backups.

Age: Rabach and Hicks are 8th year guys, and neither of them really serve as anchors for the interior of the line. Same with Dockery. So that's a weakness that needs to be addressed.

Injuries: Looks like Jammal Brown is going to struggle with the hip. This should be a big-time concern.

Depth: Hicks was brought in to provide depth but he's starting. Haven't heard much about Capers or Cook and that's not good news. Heyer we know all about. I was sort of hopeful about Edwin Williams but that's it.

And it's not enough to feel good overall about this group. Trent Williams is also not enough to feel good overall about this group. A step in the right direction, but not: problem solved as some would have it.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 17, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I cant give that much love to the Giants receivers they dedicated a lot of their draft to the WR position after Plax left. Steve smith and manningham are both decent only Hicks has the potential to be a true star though.
If we target Thomas as many many times as they taget S Smith he would have similar production. Manningham is nothing spacial, and Hicks is still pretty raw however he has a physical preseance that can dominate. Considering when they drafted these players their WR corp is pretty average.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 17, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

No mention of Shay Hodge? He's listed on the official depth chart. What is this, amateur hour?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 17, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Alex, I'm pretty sure Ladarius Webb is the their best available CB and he's coming off a knee injury. I'm fairly certain if we came and tried out they'd at least hear us out.

That's why I don't get why everyone is still buying that team as a SB contender...right now their front 7 is solid but their DBs are shredded wheat, plus they've got very little speed on offense. There's no reason why the Bengals shouldn't win that division...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Thats what I thought too, though I could see the Steelers (when Ben's back) put up a fight for the division. The Browns are due for their 1 every 5 years winning session next season, seriously if you don't count the years they had no team its like clock work going back to 1989 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/).

Posted by: alex35332 | August 17, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Irvin = the dude from "Happy Gilmore" that kept sayin "you WILL miss this put...JACKASS!"

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"I love the play in which he runs across the field, away from where the QB is rolling; QB stops and throws back to a wide-open Davis."

Geez, throwing back across the field? He's either wide open or if the back didn't bite, it's a TD the other way.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 17, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I'd have to agree with the writer that Moss / Thomas are a lock; but beyond that I have to depart from the reporter here

Posted by: guisher | August 17, 2010 7:32 AM

Who is this writer/reporter you speak of?

Posted by: PlayAction | August 17, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

just put Kelly on IR for cripe's sake. Its what they should have done his rookie year and its what needs to be done this year. Let him finally have the time to heal.

Moss
Joey
DT11
Banks
Armstrong
Austin
Williams

IMO - Galloway and Williams are battling for one spot, the young bucks have made it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 17, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

McCardell must look at his receiving corps and think to himself that he could suit up tomorrow and be a starter on this squad.

Posted by: randysbailin | August 17, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

heard that LBetts signed with the Saints yesterday...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 17, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I almost never laugh out loud at the attempts at humor in some of these posts..............laugh to myself a lot at some of the opinions. Be it so; "You'd be better off waiting for Rosie O'Donnell to get pretty than Kelly to get healthy...".

A funny, funny line, brownwood26.

Posted by: prestoj | August 17, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Funny stuff Alex...it'll be a pretty tight division, no doubt. Still think the Bengals are the team to beat though...

Stu, I never said the Ginas receivers were great...just a really deep unit. Depth that I certainly envy considering we're talking about starting a guy whose #84 jersey also reflects his age once the season starts...

Pepper, go back and look at the guys Shanahan had in Denver when they were winning SBs...I don't think they had a single 1st round pick and had a couple undrafted guys. This system is very O-line and RB friendly and I think we'll be fine up front--even if it doesn't look like it on paper.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Pep5,

I don't think they're focusing on the future right now. It's a win now they're gunning for.

I think they want to put a decent showing in for a couple years and then they'll focus on building.

I think they're priming Kurt & us for each other. Not what I was hoping for, but I'll play along. U?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 17, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Greg, I had that on the last thread...we've got Betts going to NO and there may be a Todd Collins sighting in Chicago by week's end. Could be a good week for former Redskins...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 17, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Beeps!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 17, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"That's what I was getting at impervious...the Ginas have an embarrassment of riches at WR and we can't even get ONE that's not a hamstring tweak away from leaving us destitute." Brownwood

This statement > Great...

Im not gloating about our WR position but with some proper coaching I dont think were so far off from being decent. I liked what i saw from some of our smaller guys.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 17, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"F-ing Ginas...those rat bastards are already about 4 deep at the WR spot and now they have this undrafted Victor Cruz kid coming out of nowhere to ball out last night. We can't even get ONE dynamic WR and those jerks have more than they know what to do with...Posted by: brownwood26"

LOL I feel your pain. Cruz' TDs were all in the final 20 minutes of the game -- we know what that means: The real NY Jets had long ago left the field.

Still, he could be even better than Marko Mitchell.

The issue with the Giants is going to be defense. They were awful last year, and the main reason for the team's stumble. Weird to think of the Jints as primarily an offensive club, huh?

The gamble was on their top pick. With a hole at MLB, they were aiming for Rolondo McClain, who went to Oakland. Plan B was a pass rusher, but the Iggles jobbed them out of the best one, Brandon Graham of Michigan, so they wound up with the very talented, very raw Jean Pierre-Paul from So. Fla. Because he's so inexperienced, they decided to hang on to Osi in spite of his problems. That meant missing out on the only other real LB prospect, Sean Weatherspoon of Missouri. So they went for Linval Joseph at DT, and he may be their most reliable pick. Chad Jones, a big hope at safety, went down in a freak occurrence. So when it came to LBs, the big need, they basically got 4th rounder Philip Dillard.

Be interesting to see how this season plays out. But at least they've got a lot of WRs.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 17, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Three WR's capable of putting up 50+ catches?

How about:
Moss: 70 recptions for 902 yards last year. Never had less than 55 cathes per year as a Redskin.

Roydell Williams: 55 receptions for 719 yards in his last season in Tenn. By all accounts he has returned to his pre-injury form, has impressed in practice, and played well on Friday.

Thomas: If he has the breakout year that most of us are expecting, I don't think 50+ receptions is a stretch.

Plus we should get good production from our TE's

Cooley: Last year in only 7 games he had 29 recptions for 332 yards. Other than last year and his rookie year he has never had less than 57 catches.

Davis: Last year 48 recptions for 509 yards. Most of that in half a season because he didn't see much playing time until Cooley went down.

IMO, we should be fine at WR/TE. Especially if any of the guys I didn't mention turn out any kind of production at all.

Posted by: kaasmaster | August 17, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"McCardell must look at his receiving corps and think to himself that he could suit up tomorrow and be a starter on this squad.Posted by: randysbailin"

He probably thinks that about all but two or three clubs in the NFL.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 17, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I'd be shocked if Austin and Banks are both on the final 53.

Posted by: dford525 | August 17, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Moss, Thomas, Armstrong, Galloway*, Austin, Banks. Mk will be cut or placed on IR.
*Something about Galloway puzzles me. I almost think he's in camp only to make the other wr's work harder. I have a suspicion that he'll be cut regardless.

Posted by: MaxnDC | August 17, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

It wouldn't be smart to keep a 38 year old WR who will give you one year as opposed to a younger WR such as Armstrong or even Kelly

Posted by: kingpenn1 | August 17, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Bwoods26, Great Job...keep those reports coming

Kelly should have been let go instead of Marko...other than his draft position, what does this guy have that these donks are seeing...we the fans don't see it

Posted by: kahlua87 | August 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I still wonder why Marko Mitchell was released.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | August 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Okay listen...football is footbal.....to the smartypants who argues that all teams passed on Cruz...ALOT OF NFL TEAMS PASS ON UMASS because they are not a powerhouse team in a powerhouse confrence, so it's ASSUMED that numbers are padded.

STARTERS OR NOT, YOU DON'T RUN BY DEFENDERS LIKE THAT WITH OUT ANY TALENT...YOU STILL HAVE TO CATCH THE BALL....there is a huge misconception that people can't ball becauses they didn't go to a BCS school....

Sure the majority of the best players will go to the main schools, but when temas will take the approach of layering their teams with ABOVE AVERAGE players with ELITE players, they will then be dominant.

Some of the greatest, Farve, Rice, Faulk, didn't go to the giant schools...

The giants are smart (better than skins now at talent evaluating)..none of their receivers are 1st rounders and they still put up major points, so you don't need superstars..

Posted by: impervious99 | August 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

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