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Did Justin Tryon do enough to make the Redskins' final roster?

Third-year cornerback Justin Tryon intercepted a pass and broke up another Thursday night in a 20-10 loss to the Arizona Cardinals.

But did Tryon do enough?

Before his performance in the preseason finale, Tryon was on shaky ground to make the opening 53-man roster, according to people with knowledge of the situation. And it's doubtful he could have done enough in the last preseason game to effect a major change in his situation.

"I think Justin can play in the league," defensive coordinator Jim Haslett said after the game.

Tryon, a fourth-round pick in 2008, was a major contributor last season as the nickel corner. Greg Blache, then Washington's defensive coordinator, demoted veteran corner Fred Smoot in favor of Tryon, who made plays while battling slot receivers.

Washington's defensive scheme has changed, however, and Haslett plans to use cornerback Carlos Rogers more in the slot this season. Tryon dropped to fourth string on the depth chart and apparently did not do enough in the preseason to pull closer to his competition.

Second-year player Kevin Barnes is listed as the backup to top corner DeAngelo Hall and newcomer Phillip Buchanon is behind Rogers.

The Redskins are expected to retain four corners -- Hall, Rogers, Barnes and Buchanon -- on the roster that must be set Saturday. There just does not seem to be a spot for Tryon.

"We've got a tough decision. We've got some good corners," Haslett said. "Depending on how many we're going to keep ... I like all those guys. It's a good batch. ... We've got some tough decision to make."

By Jason Reid  |  September 3, 2010; 3:24 PM ET
 
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Sorry bro, no cigars for you.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 3, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are expected to retain four corners - Hall, Rogers, Barnes and Buchanon - on the roster that must be set Saturday. There just does not seem to be a spot for Tryon.

"We've got a tough decision. We've got some good corners," Haslett said. "Depending on how many we're going to keep, five or six, I like all those guys. It's a good batch. ... We've got some tough decision to make."
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Way to be inconsistent, RI. On one hand you say, "The Redskins are expected to retain four corners", then you quote Haslett in the very next paragraph as saying they're going to keep 5 or 6.

I still maintain that they need at least 5 CBs.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | September 3, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Way to be inconsistent, RI. On one hand you say, "The Redskins are expected to retain four corners", then you quote Haslett in the very next paragraph as saying they're going to keep 5 or 6.

I still maintain that they need at least 5 CBs.

Posted by: skinsfan713 |

Someone didn't read his own copy. Even with five, Tryon probably won't make it.

I wonder about Horton at safety, too--but with Moore hurt, he could stay on. Depends on what they think of Carter.


I'm also wondering if the team will have both Austin AND Banks on the 53. Banks, even tho he fumbles puts the feat of God in other team's defense and Special teams--must prep for him--and I believe Austin has a very good future.

Hate to see one of them go and Thomas make the team in their stead.

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are expected to retain four corners - Hall, Rogers, Barnes and Buchanon - on the roster that must be set Saturday. There just does not seem to be a spot for Tryon.

Jason Reid


We've got a tough decision. We've got some good corners," Haslett said. "Depending on how many we're going to keep, five or six, I like all those guys. It's a good batch. ... We've got some tough decision to make."

Jim Haslett

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Am I reading this wrong, didn't Haslett say they are looking at keeping 5 or 6 corners? So Tryon could make the team as the 5th or 6th corner.

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

How did you come to know this? I've always hoped they'd bring back the gold pants, but maybe not for a Dallas game.
Posted by: MColeman51 | September 3, 2010 3:13 PM

I'm a man who knows things...

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 3, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

lol skinsfan713 you beat me too it.

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else ever lose a 2 1/2 ct. diamond in the grass. Man, I hate when that happens.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Oooow, the heads are rolling already. Anthony Becht (Cards TE, see last night), cut. Ladell Betts, cut. Bobby McCray, cut. Eagles just traded for a Cards #3 guard.

Bruce Allen is working the phones right about now. John Beck to someone for a conditional pick anyone?

Posted by: dcsween | September 3, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

the only thing gayer than Blog-Cred would be Jim J. Bullock in a leopard thong at a Village People concert

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 3, 2010 2:00 PM

That or a screen name like "No Punt Intended."

Posted by: beep-beep | September 3, 2010 2:12 PM |

You're right, it's nowhere near as creative as the sound your mother makes when she backs up. My bad.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 3, 2010 2:21 PM

Beep is hard at work on a corny zinger of a comeback. Be patient everyone.

Posted by: mack1 | September 3, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else ever lose a 2 1/2 ct. diamond in the grass. Man, I hate when that happens.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 3:48 PM

Poor folks always complaining 'bout something.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 3, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else ever lose a 2 1/2 ct. diamond in the grass. Man, I hate when that happens.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 3:48 PM

I heard about that after Henson took his helmet off. What the phk is a guy thinking about wearing TWO 2.5 carat diamond earrings DURING a game? Reminds me of Moe from the Three Stooges lighting cigars with $1000 bills ("Hey, how did this lousy $100 get in there?")

Posted by: dcsween | September 3, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Beep is hard at work on a corny zinger of a comeback. Be patient everyone.

Posted by: mack1 | September 3, 2010 3:49 PM

How did you solve this mystery?

Posted by: league_source | September 3, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know anything about Al Afalava (FS) who the Bears released? Reed is a decent 2 game stopgap, but the Skins should really get another true FS on the team.

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Crayton traded to the Chargers, Looks like VC will be moved.

Posted by: Gussneck | September 3, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Crayton traded to the Chargers, Looks like VC will be moved.

Posted by: Gussneck | September 3, 2010 4:00 PM

That's a good get for the Chargers. He's a solid role player. What did they have to give up?

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Diggin' the previous post about all of the festivities for the coming week. Makes me wish I weren't on the other side of the country.

We're still living with some of Snyder's past mistakes, but I do think he's starting to figure some stuff out. He's getting some help with that, for sure, but it seems like he's listening to good counsel.

It's the same with any executive: There are a few things you can do that will really help, and there are a multitude of things you can do that will hurt.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 3, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

VC traded to Redskins for future 2nd and DT. I guessing here. The Seahawks are trying to move TJ Hous to make the trade with the Chargers

Posted by: Gussneck | September 3, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey neck where did you hear that

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 3, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Crayton traded to the Chargers, Looks like VC will be moved.

Posted by: Gussneck | September 3, 2010 4:00 PM

That's a good get for the Chargers. He's a solid role player. What did they have to give up?

It didnt say, likely nothing much. The cowboys just wanted to trade him so he wouldnt go to the Skins

Posted by: Gussneck | September 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Crayton traded to the Chargers, Looks like VC will be moved.

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

good call dude! V JAX ROXX

Posted by: rob_in_MD | September 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, Barnes is kind of suspect too. have not seen that hitter that played for MD. have no idea what he can do in coverage.

Posted by: oknow1 | September 3, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I see it was only a 7th rounder

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

2011 7th rd pick for Crayton.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I heard about that after Henson took his helmet off. What the phk is a guy thinking about wearing TWO 2.5 carat diamond earrings DURING a game? Reminds me of Moe from the Three Stooges lighting cigars with $1000 bills ("Hey, how did this lousy $100 get in there?")
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I thought the same thing when Henson took his helmet off. You would think they would have learned from C.Johnson, the Titan's tailback who tried to get cute with diamond earrings last year while playing TAILBACK of all positions and had the studs making deep scratches and cuts on both sides of his neck from tackles.

It been reported that the player had 11 or so teammates helping him look for the diamond-one of those jokers found it.
My guess is that it's going to be turned into a ring and become a birthday gift for one of that player's loved ones.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will probably keep 9 DBs -- 4 CB (Hall, Hall, Rogers, Buchanon, Barnes) and 5 S (Landry, Moore, Doughty, Horton, Carter).

They need an extra S because of the injury to Moore and how well Carter played...

Was it my imagination or was the opposing QB's first read always whomever Tryon was defending?

Posted by: siris | September 3, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey neck where did you hear that

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 3, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

rotoworld.com

Posted by: Gussneck | September 3, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Crayton traded to the Chargers, Looks like VC will be moved.

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

good call dude! V JAX ROXX

Posted by: rob_in_MD | September 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Wait, so you think Vincent Jackson is an absolute trade now b/c the Chargers acquired Patrick Crayton for a 7th rd. pick? You're implying that Crayton is on VJ's level and he can just "fill in" for him, no skill or stats drop at all?, gimme a break.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | September 3, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, Barnes is kind of suspect too. have not seen that hitter that played for MD. have no idea what he can do in coverage.

Posted by: oknow1 | September 3, 2010 4:09 PM

I think he hits well, but he got juked on some tackles and just plain out whiffed. He looks like he has a high center of gravity to begin with and last night didn't square up to tackle.

Posted by: dcsween | September 3, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

VC traded to Redskins for future 2nd and DT. I guessing here. The Seahawks are trying to move TJ Hous to make the trade with the Chargers

Posted by: Gussneck | September 3, 2010 4:05 PM

Why would the Chargers want DT. He played with the 2nd & 3rd string last night and didn't stand out. He more or less fit in, which isn't what you'd want from a 2nd rd pick with loads of talent.

No to TH or VJ.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Who is VC?

Posted by: Searchingforstanley | September 3, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

They mention the skins in it for VJ?

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 3, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

After DeAngelo Hall..I`m not sure any of the corners could not be replaced....well..even Hall. We have seen enough of Rogers over the last few years to know his hands are made of slippery soap..he can`t catch the ball...and he never will get better at it. Oh..and he does not handle the double moves very well. His failure to make interceptions is a major reason why the Skins ranked so low in creating turnovers.
Darrell Green worked one on one with Tryon...and he still did not improve...so Jim...just who in the league can he play for?
It is not like he was beaten out by all pro corners.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | September 3, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Who is VC?

Posted by: Searchingforstanley | September 3, 2010 4:20 PM


I think it's Cockney slang. You drop the first two letters from the last name when abbreviating, or something.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 3, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Who is VC? Posted by: Searchingforstanley"

The Viet Cong.

Well, it's the best offer we got...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if you ever noticed how many of these RI blog entries are phrased as questions. Like 'Did Justin Do Enough to Make the Final Roster?' Or 'Could Brandon Banks' Feet Be Too Large?' I guess that's what you do when you don't actually have any new information to print...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Much more fun talking to myself when others and myself chip in.

Posted by: league_source | September 3, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

So now LenDale White (Denver) and Montario Hardesty (Cleveland) are out, probably for the year. Wonder if either are interested in one of our RBs?

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniels now #2 QB in New Orleans....thanks again Zorn.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 3, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, cL, but Patrick Ramsey is available!!!

Posted by: freakzilla | September 3, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Pro Football Reference has put together a list of the best single-game performances by a QB between 1970-2009. Please note whose name appears at numbers 100, 73, 52, and 29...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7217

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I thought we might be trading for Vince Carter.

Posted by: Searchingforstanley | September 3, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

VC = vinnie colaiuta, former frank zappa drummer...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | September 3, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniels now #2 QB in New Orleans....thanks again Zorn.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 3, 2010 4:42 PM |

Zorn had nothing to do with it. The Saints are a collection point for former Skins QBs. MB, PR, CD. When they cut PR they will grab Bartel when the Skins cut him.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Players daring to wear earring is yet another reason to despise Goodell. The sport is so soft now, when I was growing up, players didn't DARE do things like this. But, when you know you're barely going to get hit and you certainly aren't going to have to deal with an old school headhunting LB or Safety-well, you can look "cute" while playing.

Remember how, after the 80s games, Players such as Monte Coleman, George Roger(memorably for me),N.Olkewicz or Jay Schroeder would have busted lips, blackened eyes and bloodied foreheads while doing post-game interviews. You don't see that these days.

Now Goodell decides to further ruin the game with the needless repositioning of the umpire.

This, after a few years of stifling & needless tackling rules changes, overstepping his boundaries and definition as a sports commissioner by minding the private affairs of the players(Roethlisberger shouldn't be suspended for sleazy sex in a bathroom that resulted in no crime, nevermind the NFL's "image"), and anti-celebration/anti-enthusiasm rules changes "don't go to the ground to celebrate touchdowns,don't grab pompoms,don't throat slash"etc.

Man, do I miss Taglibue and Rozelle-who both managed to preside over all types of crises without constantly changing the rules. P.Rozelle dealt with mergers,strikes, etc. P.Tagliabue dealt with murders (R.Lewis,R.Carruth)

Goodell is despicable because he couches everything in a near-unassailable argument-"SAFETY". The NFL is 90 years old. The umpire had been positioned where he was without controversy for 90 years.
...and here comes Goodell fixing something that wasn't broken in the name of "safety"

I swear Goodell is like Harry Anslinger-who campaigned to get marijuana made illegal,a self-serving weasel,just doing anything to justify his job and enormous 15 million a year salary.

Little known fact- Roger Goodell makes more in base salary than 96-98% of ALL the players.

Isn't that crazy, he doesn't make a tackle or throw a pass, nor does he negotiate labor contracts, nor does he negotiate television deals-the NFL has teams of lawyers for those tasks.

This guy is making all this money to make rules fans hate and ruin the game's aesthetics.

Soon enough, the players will be wearing diamond facemasks and 'bedazzling' their helmets.

Thanks, Goodell.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniels now #2 QB in New Orleans....thanks again Zorn.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 3, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I didn't get letting Chase go at the time.

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I thought we might be trading for Vince Carter.

Posted by: Searchingforstanley | September 3, 2010 4:44 PM |

??? Dude, this is the NFL, not the NBA.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"Who is VC? Posted by: Searchingforstanley"

The Viet Cong.

Well, it's the best offer we got...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Vin Cent.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

um Aligator Al Zorn cut him.....now in one year he is the back up qb on a SB champ...i guess he has some talent.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 3, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Chipping in on the "keep Banks?" debate... Not sure he's ready for regular season action just yet. And he's 150 lbs! The football itself could injure him. It's practically a quarter of his body size.

Chipping in on the "record predictions" debate... So many variables, but with everything remaining equal (no team debilitating injuries, natural disasters, strikes, etc), I think the Skins may surprise people. We have some major new players in key roles, improved existing players, new coaches, new schemes/plays. Instead of jumping on the "we're gonna be barely above the 'suck' level at 7-9 or 8-8" bandwagon, I say our newness will be an advantage. Sure there's tape on each of the new coaches' styles, but other teams don't know how they will blend their philosophies. We may start out fast until teams get adjusted to the new Skins. I look for 10-6 or better this year, playoffs, and documentaries on the turn-around season the Shanahans/Haslett-run staff had. Pre-order your copy now.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | September 3, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Armchair, I hear your argument, but I think we can all agree the game would be better if on every pass, the ball were followed by a trail of sparkle dust.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 3, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Pro Football Reference has put together a list of the best single-game performances by a QB between 1970-2009. Please note whose name appears at numbers 100, 73, 52, and 29...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7217

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse
_____________

Check out who was #3:

3 Mark Rypien 11/10/1991 was atl 31 16 442 6 0 1 4 1 33 17 461 7 0 1 4 1 394.4

Posted by: skinsfan713 | September 3, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniels now #2 QB in New Orleans....thanks again Zorn.

Posted by: chrislarry
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The Redskins have made quite a habit out picking QBs, barely giving them a proper chance to acclimate,learn and grow & then dumping them.

Frerotte,Rosenfels,Hamdam,Ramsey,Palmer,Brennan,Daniels,Campbell
Except for Hamdan,I think all are still in the league.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Armchair, I hear your argument, but I think we can all agree the game would be better if on every pass, the ball were followed by a trail of sparkle dust.

Posted by: freakzilla
~~~
Lol!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Who is VC? Posted by: Searchingforstanley"

The Viet Cong.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 4:34 PM |

We celebrated V-E Day and V-J Day but unfortunately we never made it to celebrate V-C Day.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Pro Football Reference has put together a list of the best single-game performances by a QB between 1970-2009. Please note whose name appears at numbers 100, 73, 52, and 29...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7217


Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse
How bout Mark Rypien having 3rd best outing. He must have had some great wr's.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

With Jarmon, Tryon, Rinehart heading out the door, MK more fragile than a porcelain tea cup, DT buried somewhere in the depth chart, that leaves it to Sleepy to assume the awesome burden of demonstraing that VC's draft legacy was not a total bust. That's a lot to put on one young man's shoulders.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

With Jarmon, Tryon, Rinehart heading out the door, MK more fragile than a porcelain tea cup, DT buried somewhere in the depth chart, that leaves it to Sleepy to assume the awesome burden of demonstraing that VC's draft legacy was not a total bust. That's a lot to put on one young man's shoulders.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have made quite a habit out picking QBs, barely giving them a proper chance to acclimate,learn and grow & then dumping them.

Frerotte,Rosenfels,Hamdam,Ramsey,Palmer,Brennan,Daniels,Campbell
Except for Hamdan,I think all are still in the league.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 5:01 PM


Not sure where you're going with this...not exactly a Pro-Bowl roster you threw up there.

To me, that's nowhere near as bad as letting go of Stan Humphries, Rich Gannon, and Brad Johnson...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Diggin' the previous post about all of the festivities for the coming week. Makes me wish I weren't on the other side of the country.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 3, 2010 4:05 PM

This is why Lewis and Clark came back after they invented the West.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 3, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Not sure where you're going with this...not exactly a Pro-Bowl roster you threw up there.

To me, that's nowhere near as bad as letting go of Stan Humphries, Rich Gannon, and Brad Johnson...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse
and Trent Green

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The team has pegged Thursday as "Honk If You Hate Dallas!" day

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Come Thursday, out here in California, I'll be honking my horn on the way to and from Rosh Hashanah services. In between the coming and going, I'll throw in an extra prayer that we beat the crap out of dallas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 3, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

To me, that's nowhere near as bad as letting go of Stan Humphries, Rich Gannon, and Brad Johnson...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 5:17 PM |

Not sure where you're going with this. To me, that's nowhere near as bad as letting go of Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

This is why Lewis and Clark came back after they invented the West.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 3, 2010 5:17 PM


LOLZ


Good one, beeps.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 3, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

This is why Lewis and Clark came back after they invented the West.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 3, 2010 5:17 PM |

Idiots. All the Skins games were out West back then. Why would they want to come back?

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

100 Top QB Performances:
Joe Montana only showed up once
And Sonny Jergenson never shows up
Donavon McNabb shows up three times

And Mark Rypien has #3 performance of all time.
Ok, no doubt THAT is a valid system of evaluation.
:)

HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 3, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

freak -- One good turn deserves another. Or as they say in my bedroom, one good turn gets all the sheets.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 3, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Come Thursday, out here in California, I'll be honking my horn on the way to and from Rosh Hashanah services. In between the coming and going, I'll throw in an extra prayer that we beat the crap out of dallas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 3, 2010 5:20 PM |

That's honky dory.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Justin Tyron is one of those mediocre players who shows promise and other times looks absolutely clueless. The Cult of Tyron is perplexing. I think they see reality as often as Tyron makes a play. The rest of the time both factions have their heads up their keisters.

Posted by: laserwizard | September 3, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else checked out ESPN3 yet? I just headed over to the site to check it out in preparation for the UVa game tomorrow afternoon, and it's really slick!

I watched college games like crazy on ESPN360.com last season, and they've taken that site and added a bunch of cool features. They've got a mosaic feature where you can watch four games at once, and you can also do picture-in-picture. Everything's available in both windowed mode and full screen. And with the picture-in-picture, you can switch the audio by clicking between pictures, you can drag the small picture anywhere on the screen, and you swap the pictures just by clicking.

ESPN360 was good, but they've really outdone themselves with this site.

(I know, this reads like spam, but the fact that this exists is just pretty dang cool. I've been watching sports online pretty regularly for the past 5 years, and the availability and quality seems to double every year. It's a good time to be a sports fan.)

Posted by: freakzilla | September 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have made quite a habit out picking QBs, barely giving them a proper chance to acclimate,learn and grow & then dumping them.

Frerotte,Rosenfels,Hamdam,Ramsey,Palmer,Brennan,Daniels,Campbell
Except for Hamdan,I think all are still in the league."

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

And your point is.......................?

Everyone on that list still sucks. Seriously, would you want anyone of them back here again? Glad you're not a real GM.

Posted by: bones21 | September 3, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

They are going to retain only 4 CBs? Please.

Based on RI's roster 'analysis' which hypothesizes they will keep 4 RBs AND 6 WRs despite having not one, but two very talented TE's who could moonlight at WR, I'm just gonna go the other way on this by default and say that Tryon will make the team.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 3, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Pro Football Reference has put together a list of the best single-game performances by a QB between 1970-2009. Please note whose name appears at numbers 100, 73, 52, and 29...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7217

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#33 Jim Zorn

Posted by: blkmanwtan | September 3, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Pro Football Reference has put together a list of the best single-game performances by a QB between 1970-2009. Please note whose name appears at numbers 100, 73, 52, and 29...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7217

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#33 Jim Zorn

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I mean #32

Posted by: blkmanwtan | September 3, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, trading crayton to SD means nothing. They traded a 31 year old guy who was, at best, 4th on their list of receiving targets. The should be happy the got themselves something better than a ham sandwich.

I'm kinda glad they did it, it means roy williams will be there to screw up dallas again this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 3, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have made quite a habit out picking QBs, barely giving them a proper chance to acclimate,learn and grow & then dumping them.

Frerotte,Rosenfels,Hamdam,Ramsey,Palmer,Brennan,Daniels,Campbell
Except for Hamdan,I think all are still in the league."

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

And your point is.......................?

Everyone on that list still sucks. Seriously, would you want anyone of them back here again? Glad you're not a real GM.

Posted by: bones21 | September 3, 2010 5:48 PM


What cracks me up is that his criteria is simply "they're still in the league"...as if there's a badge of honor for holding a clipboard or living la vida practice squad. To each his own, I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Justin Tyron is one of those mediocre players who shows promise and other times looks absolutely clueless. The Cult of Tyron is perplexing. I think they see reality as often as Tyron makes a play. The rest of the time both factions have their heads up their keisters.Posted by: laserwizard"

Well, you're 0 for 3 in spelling the guy's name correctly -- guess that's why you're not called spellingwizard.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

So the Saints released LaDell Betts, signed 3 weeks back. He just turned 31, and I wonder if somebody will sign him...maybe later in the year.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Some activity in Philadelphia: the Iggs traded with AZ for T Reggie Wells, who started the last couple seasons, and are rumored to be shopping Stacy Andrews. Andy Reid also cut RB JJ Arrington, who they picked up earlier from the Broncos. DE Vic Abiamiri, out of Baltimore, is on the PUP list.

Philly actually cut 10 players, most of whom I hadn't heard of.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Reggie Wells is a guard.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Pro Football Reference has put together a list of the best single-game performances by a QB between 1970-2009. Please note whose name appears at numbers 100, 73, 52, and 29...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7217


I may be echoing redskinraybut...why stats don't really matter-Joe Montana one time at #66.

Posted by: jandlml | September 3, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I forgot to mention that Pat Ramsey and Bobby McCray were released along with Betts.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

This discussion about "letting QBs go". How about them Chargers? They let two elite QBs go, Manning and Brees, and they have an elite QB, Rivers, currently on their roster! And Rivers is probably the best of the three. It's kind of hard to have more than one elite QB on your roster at any point in time, ain't it?

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins unveil week of festivities for opener vs. Dallas"

Swell. Eight hours of drinking before kickoff. How'd that work out for the Philly game some years back?

I'm not against drinking, it'd just any good drinker can do his work in an hour or two at most.

But these amateurs will be puking and passing out and fussing and fighting well before game time.

Keep the kids home.

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I heard that Samson...I was kinda hoping the Skins would make a run at Wells. Dude would probably take that RG spot with little problem, but I guess it's moot now.

Zeke, you're right on Crayton...if dude was a factor, Cowdungs would have traded him long before now and for more than a 7th round pick. He's a solid depth/ST guy, but not much more.

Interesting how quickly things soured with Housh and Seattle...looks like they're getting rid of him no matter what. Can't believe a WR starved team would outright cut their best WR. And who starts for him? Mike Williams. Just can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

What cracks me up is that his criteria is simply "they're still in the league"...as if there's a badge of honor for holding a clipboard or living la vida practice squad. To each his own, I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 |

Maybe dude's point earlier in listing ex-Redskins QB's in league was these were wasted draft picks--like so many many many under Vinny and Dan.

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I forgot to mention that Pat Ramsey and Bobby McCray were released along with Betts.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 6:36 PM |

I bet they snag Rick Bartel when the Skins release him.

Saints ♥ Skins QBs

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

This discussion about "letting QBs go". How about them Chargers? They let two elite QBs go, Manning and Brees, and they have an elite QB, Rivers, currently on their roster! And Rivers is probably the best of the three. It's kind of hard to have more than one elite QB on your roster at any point in time, ain't it?

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 6:36 PM


1. Those three QBs were never on the same roster at the same time. Manning was traded for Rivers.

2. If you think Rivers is better than Brees, you're high on swamp fumes. The only thing Rivers has on Brees is that he's younger. That's it. That's the list.

3. I'm not at all shocked that the Chargers had that kind of run...A.J. Smith is a raging dick, but he's one of the best talent evaluators in the league. I don't think he gets nearly enough props for turning Eli "Gump" Manning into Philip Rivers (who is a better QB, IMO), Shawne Merriman, and Nate Kaeding. Brilliant...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"[San Diego] let two elite QBs go, Manning and Brees, and they have an elite QB, Rivers, currently on their roster! And Rivers is probably the best of the three."

Manning played a role in that, remember. He didn't want to play in San Diego. In fact, he announced in public that he wouldn't sign there. That's what motivated the Chargers to ship him East for the draft picks that became Rivers, Shawne Merriman, and K Nate Kaeding.

Once San Diego acquired Rivers, Brees was basically toast. They would probably have traded him earlier if Rivers hadn't staged a noisy holdout all through camp. He stayed the starter through the '05 season until tearing his rotator cuff in the final game. That shoulder turned out to be a major consideration in free agency. Neither SD nor Miami would offer him the guaranteed $$ he was looking for, which is how he wound up in NO.

Is Rivers the best of the 3? Be a hard argument to make, since he's playing on arguably the strongest club and has yet to make a Super Bowl. The others already have rings. But there's still plenty of time left.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I wish we had an A.J. Smith in our team's organization.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 3, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe dude's point earlier in listing ex-Redskins QB's in league was these were wasted draft picks--like so many many many under Vinny and Dan.

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2010 6:43 PM


I'm not sure I'd call them "wasted" picks...just to review:

Frerotte - 7th round pick
Rosenfels - 4th round pick
Hamdan - 7th round pick
Ramsey - 1st round pick
Palmer - 6th round pick
Brennan - 6th round pick
Daniels - undrafted
Campbell - 1st round pick

Considering Frerotte was a starter, that was actually a pretty good value pick. A lot of 7th rounders (like Hamdan) never see the field. Palmer and Brennan you could argue were wasted picks simply because they had bigger needs than QB those years. But I have a hard time calling late rounders "wasted picks" simply because the success rate there is so low anyway. Daniels was undrafted so he doesn't count. Rosenfels, Campbell, and Ramsey were undone by coaching changes as much as anything but I think one could craft a good argument that those picks were wasted...especially with Campbell and Ramsey since they moved up to pick those guys.

The only wasted picks to me are the ones that were offered up as the garnish on trades for veteran flame-outs. THAT is a waste. Swinging and missing on a young prospect that can't catch on with a 2nd or 3rd coaching staff isn't exactly a waste, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

still here and waiting...could happen or equal to.

Posted by: krystal_ball | September 3, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

chears

Posted by: krystal_ball | September 3, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

yup...ears...bye

Posted by: krystal_ball | September 3, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I wish we had an A.J. Smith in our team's organization.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 3, 2010 6:55 PM


Me too. But without the really d0uchey, tough guy bravado.

Hopefully Bruce Allen is that guy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 6:45 PM |

1. Those three QBs were never on the same roster at the same time. Manning was traded for Rivers.

Didn't say they were. But two of the three, Brees and Rivers, were.

2. If you think Rivers is better than Brees, you're high on swamp fumes. The only thing Rivers has on Brees is that he's younger. That's it. That's the list.

He has a better arm than Brees and I didnt say "is", I said "probably" because both have not finished their careers yet.

3. I'm not at all shocked that the Chargers had that kind of run...A.J. Smith is a raging dick, but he's one of the best talent evaluators in the league. I don't think he gets nearly enough props for turning Eli "Gump" Manning into Philip Rivers (who is a better QB, IMO), Shawne Merriman, and Nate Kaeding. Brilliant...

Agree, except for the "raging dick" part. While a parade of numbnutz QBs was parading in and out of the portals of RP, Sandy Eggo has been holding some mighty fine cards.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Tryon is a total tossup-Skins will definitely need depth at CB, but he's a total tweener between capable starter and utility ST CB..

One things for sure, nobody's gonna pay TJ Housmanzadeh 7 mill to parade his Snoop Dog dreadlocks and attitude around- he'll be cut, go free agent and maybe, JUST MAYBE, the Skins will outbid the others for a coupla mill..Next 24 hours should be VELLLLLY INTELLESTING...

Posted by: frak | September 3, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I bet they snag Rick Bartel when the Skins release him.

Saints ♥ Skins QBs

Posted by: frak | September 3, 2010 6:44 PM

Good call, Tryon is gone but we need more posters like this up here.

Posted by: bleep-bleep | September 3, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Joke is on DC fans, Tryon IS an NFL cornerback, some want Barnes to become an NFL cornerback. So Devin Thomas who will be very good somewhere in the NFL for a long time, while Joey Galloway starts for DC's team. NFL cornerbacks are the best in the world at what they do, if you were one, and Joey Galloway is the best they bring--would you respect him or them? I know I'd be insulted that he's opponent and will be pissed at the first snap of the ball, and he will know it, and that teams climb would be depressing before their eyes.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | September 3, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Even if the guys that are "on the bubble" do make the team, there's still a very good chance that they get cut a few days from now if we pick up a couple players that were released by other teams, which would not surprise me. Do we pick up T.J. Whatshisface id Seattle releases him?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 3, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

TJ Hous was cut.

(Schefter reports there is offset language in the deal. Seahawks will have to pay Houshmanzadeh whatever his new team doesn't this year. If the new team pays $1.5 million, the Seahawks pay $5.5 million)

We love the move. Ultimately, Houshmandzadeh was just taking snaps away from young talent that could possibly help Pete Carroll by the time the team is good. There was no chance Houshmandzadeh would have been in Seattle in 2011, and his attitude has been questioned more than once while on the Seahawks.

The most amazing part of the story? Mike Williams is going to be a starting wideout. That Mike Williams.

Some may think Carroll is crazy, but it doesn't hurt to have courage with your convictions. Williams has looked excellent all offseason long and provides a similar possession receiver skill set to Houshmandzadeh.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

forgot this part of the pft article.

Just one day after news leaked that the team was trying to trade Housh, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Seattle has decided to cut ties with the receiver after only one season despite owing him $7 million guaranteed this year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Tryon is a total tossup-Skins will definitely need depth at CB, but he's a total tweener between capable starter and utility ST CB..

Posted by: frak | September 3, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Joke is on DC fans, Tryon IS an NFL cornerback, some want Barnes to become an NFL cornerback.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | September 3, 2010 7:14 PM

Why are YOU responding to MY posts?

Posted by: bandofwhom | September 3, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

get housmanbananafanabobana!

Posted by: priceisright | September 3, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how quickly things soured with Housh and Seattle...looks like they're getting rid of him no matter what. Can't believe a WR starved team would outright cut their best WR. And who starts for him? Mike Williams. Just can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: brownwood26

That IS crazy. I didn't like Mora the putz before and I think Carroll knows how to recruit talent out of high school a lot better than he knows how to coach it at this level.

The problems in Seattle go all the way down to the bone. Sort of remarkable how empty Holmgren left the place -- though his successors haven't shown much insight either.

Another case of a great coach trying to wear too many hats. Wait, that sounds familiar ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 3, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

get housmanbananafanabobana!

Posted by: priceisright | September 3, 2010 7:28 PM

SO TRUE!~

Bless Houshmandzadeh! Allah! Allah! Allah!

9-11 was the fault of greedy JEWS~

Posted by: bleep-bleep | September 3, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Bring TJ in for the right price. He had almost 1,000 yards and 80 catches last year. Put him and Galloway outside with Santana in the slot. Dallas won't know what hit them!

Posted by: nfcBEaST | September 3, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

If you being in Hous than you cut Galloway. Like SFIK says... it's #2 or cut for Galloway.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

that Housh story is amazing. Why cut the guy? Dang, he's a sunk cost and you can probably get something useful for him.

As for Seattle wanting to get Vincent Jackson instead -- hard to believe they'll cut one overpriced WR just to get another, even more overpriced WR -- plus -- give up high draft picks in the process.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 3, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Another case of a great coach trying to wear too many hats. Wait, that sounds familiar ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 3, 2010 7:30 PM

Don't you ever say Hello?

Posted by: ELIZA_1966 | September 3, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is, if the Skins sign Houshmandzadeh at age 32, they could actually get younger by ditching Galloway. Galloway hasn't looked terrible from what i've seen, but Housh has more left in the tank IMHO.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | September 3, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"(Schefter reports there is offset language in the deal. Seahawks will have to pay Houshmanzadeh whatever his new team doesn't this year. If the new team pays $1.5 million, the Seahawks pay $5.5 million)"

Sh*t, if that's the case, LET'S ROCK THE HOUSEMANZEDAH!!! Our "headcase quotient" is off the charts anyway, HE'LL FIT RIGHT IN!!

Posted by: frak | September 3, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Age should not be looked at as a number but as an output on the field. Laveranues Coles is also 32 but seems old. The Jets cut him to supposedly bring him back after the start of the season so as not be committed to his whole contract. Forget Housm... You get younger in the offseason; not during the season.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 3, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Bring TJ in for the right price. He had almost 1,000 yards and 80 catches last year. Put him and Galloway outside with Santana in the slot. Dallas won't know what hit them!

Posted by: nfcBEaST | September 3, 2010 7:33 PM


Oh, they won't know what hit 'em...they'll be blind on the sidelines, unable to see through the tears of laughter as we trot out that clusterf*ck of mediocrity.

Housh has a poor attitude and an even worse sense of entitlement. Not to mention delusions of grandeur. I'd rather have TO than this guy. TO at least backs up his ridiculous talk...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Hous is great in the slot. I haven't seen him play since Cincy but he's a vet, will prob take less cash upfront (Seattle offsets the salary), the guy can create separation and he's tall (6'2")....

Posted by: priceisright | September 3, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Housh has a poor attitude and an even worse sense of entitlement. Not to mention delusions of grandeur. I'd rather have TO than this guy. TO at least backs up his ridiculous talk...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 7:45 PM

You're outta your mind. He's always been know to be a team player and has put up 900+ yds the last 6 yrs and has been healthy his whole career. He as deserving of a "second chance" as TO is of his 5th.

Taking TO over Housh, C'mon Man.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

And your point is.......................?

Everyone on that list still sucks. Seriously, would you want anyone of them back here again? Glad you're not a real GM.
~~
Not glad you don't know how to comprehend.

You know some of you are sooo busy being smart-asses, you don't even read nor comprehend posts. The 1st part of the post went "barely given a chance to acclimate, learn, and grow..." THAT WAS THE POINT THERE!!! You smart-mouthed dummy
~~

And brownwood26, I know you're not talking-you are on here day after day talking about Vincent Jackson as though he's Randy Moss. Somehow, people on here treat you as though you know what the hell you're talking about-you dont'

NO,no trust me-you dont', I never read your posts and go "now there's someone who knows football", never.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

"I wish we had an A.J. Smith in our team's organization.Posted by: Pepper5"

No you don't. I wouldn't be surprised if San Diego replaces him next season.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

9-11 was the fault of greedy JEWS~

Posted by: bleep-bleep | September 3, 2010 7:32 PM

Cosign X 2 !!! I heartily endorse the hatred you bring to this blog. It is in complete harmony with my soul. Keep it up, bleep-bleep!!

Posted by: Chia-Pet | September 3, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I thought we'd have been smart to go after Housh when he was a FA, until I saw the price he signed for. Definitely overpaid, but still a good player. Housh had 911 yards last year playing for a team just as dismal as our own. Santana Moss had 910 yards.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 3, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"Housh has a poor attitude and an even worse sense of entitlement. Not to mention delusions of grandeur. I'd rather have TO than this guy. TO at least backs up his ridiculous talk.."
~~~
How do you know how a players "attitude" is? Please enlighten the board Your comment is arrogant to say the least.

But I'll give you some credit, at least you haven't mentioned Vincent Jackson today.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

zeke- Housh is a good player that got paid like an elite player...For once it wasn't us doing the bidding, could we perhaps get a good player on the cheap?

I'd like to see ponytail wearing the the BnG if the price is right.

Or we could be like bw26 and hope that 5'10, 34 yr old, 19 catch Brendan Stokely gets cut or continue to pine away for TO.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Age should not be looked at as a number but as an output on the field. Laveranues Coles is also 32 but seems old. The Jets cut him to supposedly bring him back after the start of the season so as not be committed to his whole contract. Forget Housm... You get younger in the offseason; not during the season.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 3, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Haven't heard from you in quite a while, bangkok. Have you been lurking? We just had a sighting of Curzon a week or two ago. NOw you're back. Must be time to kick D's a$$.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a foregone conclusion that all NFL WR's is trippin', aint that right?? Housh is one of many WRs on the Kool-aid, it's a prerequisite for admission into the league- BRING THE HOUSE!!

Posted by: frak | September 3, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

@samson151-Good points both. AJ Smith somehow manages to have tempestuous negotiations with players far too often.

@zcezcest1-I thought you liked the Skins' current bunch of WRs,No? Houshmanzadeh should take himself back to Cincy.

I've been beating this horse all day, but what do you all think of Chris Wilson? Best as a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 WDE?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

@Diesel44- You don't like our current group of WRs? What's missing other than experience?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

NO,no trust me-you dont', I never read your posts and go "now there's someone who knows football", never.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:07 PM


Coming from a guy who goes by "ArmchairGM"...

I don't profess to know everything about football. But I listen to people who DO know football inside and out, and I know what I see. I also know what I said...and I'm 100% certain that "Vincent Jackson is Randy Moss" isn't one of them.

Here's a little something on your boy Housh:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/12/tj-houshmandzadeh-and-unrealistic-expectations/

PFT alone has a bunch more if you put his name in the search.

He thinks he's an elite WR. He's not. I don't think VJ is one either, but I'd take him over Housh every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

VJ is younger and fits what we do here. Plus he doesn't have a record of popping off at the mouth.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I've been beating this horse all day, but what do you all think of Chris Wilson? Best as a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 WDE?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

3-4 OLB. I thought CW looked strong last night. I'd like to see more of him there. He's backing up Osackpo, so he won't get as many snaps. But I would like to see a rotation, so that BO is fresher in the 4th Q.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

He thinks he's an elite WR. He's not. I don't think VJ is one either, but I'd take him over Housh every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

VJ is younger and fits what we do here. Plus he doesn't have a record of popping off at the mouth.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 8:29 PM

Of course. However one is available for NOTHING and the other is available for a 1st RD pick, a 5 yr 50mil contract and also comes with TWO DUIs and a 4 game suspension.

A record of popping off at the mouth or Barney Gumble?

You're better than this.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Has has a tough decision to make. I wish we had a tough decision to make about WRs. Cceerraattoo, whadda dope.

Posted by: MrChili | September 3, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant Cerrato-jam

Posted by: MrChili | September 3, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood- (You know I told myself I would never go back and forth with you on VJ)
...Sigh.... VJ has really only had 1 outstanding year. Do you not believe in Shanahan and his ability to develop young guys.

Look, brownwood26, I do respect you, I don't always agree, but I do. But man, you can't tell me that you look at the current roster and believe that VJ would fit in here.

Remember, remember how judgemental Skins' fans are once they get a whiff of any flaws. How do you think the Washington Media is going to treat this guy if we acquired him with an upcoming suspension while missing camp trying to get an extension.
I think some of the fans would sniper-kill AH if they could get away with it.

~~
About the "criteria" comment. You missed the point of that post, I was responding to another post, pointing our how we'll pick a QB, change the regime, the new regime doesn't like the QB since he's not "their" guy, pick "their" guy and before anything comes to fruition-another new regime with another new QB.

Most of those jokers can't play-particularly, Jordan Palmer...can't play a lick. In fact, it's painful to watch J.Palmer.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Still no word on MRI for RHensen?

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

3-4 OLB. I thought CW looked strong last night. I'd like to see more of him there. He's backing up Osackpo, so he won't get as many snaps. But I would like to see a rotation, so that BO is fresher in the 4th Q
frediefritz

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You know fredief, I'm so greedy, I keep seing Wilson fly around that corner from the weakside and Orakpo flying around from either side and pure greed makes me wish that we would keep both out there in a 4-3.

It's greedy because I know both don't have enough sand in the bucket to anchor against the run consistently, though BO was a strongside end in college. I know I'm am lunchin' out, but both of them remind me of Dexter.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Naw, nothing on Henson. I'll tell ya' what, Henson played last night the same way he played in college, like a poor man's Derrick Brooks.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

If we can get Housh for cheap (which we should be able to do), it totally makes sense. Get Housh and drop Galloway. Surely DT11, Armstrong, Moss, Cooley and Davis can hold it down until Housh learns the offense, right?

Posted by: HokiesSkins | September 3, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

@HokieSkins-do we need him, we're sort-of uh, reloading if not rebuilding, do you think it would be best to finally develop some young receivers on our own?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

It's greedy because I know both don't have enough sand in the bucket to anchor against the run consistently, though BO was a strongside end in college. I know I'm am lunchin' out, but both of them remind me of Dexter.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Armchair, Dexter could have been one he// of an OLB in a 3-4. Think of the confusion, the different looks, the blitzes coming from different angles and positions. Dexter reminds me somewhat of DWare. And I still remember him running down the field on kickoffs, and busting up the wedge. What an athlete he was. CW isn't as big as Dexter, but he can still bring it.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey Crew, when you all get around to it, how about considering a trade for Logan Mankins, the Patriots guard?

BeantownGreg1 wasn't fond of the idea, what say you all?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

@HokieSkins-do we need him, we're sort-of uh, reloading if not rebuilding, do you think it would be best to finally develop some young receivers on our own?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 9:01 PM

I think if we can sign him while getting rid of Galloway, I don't know that it will affect our development of our young guys.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | September 3, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey Crew, when you all get around to it, how about considering a trade for Logan Mankins, the Patriots guard?

BeantownGreg1 wasn't fond of the idea, what say you all?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse
Depends on the terms. Mid-to-high round pick in 2011, I'd be in favor of it. We need more depth on OL. And he might take over RG, so AHicks could be versatile backup.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

@ff
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You know, I hadn't even thought of that.

Dexter would've been a good WLB.
As I let the idea roll around my mind-I wonder why Petitbon never tried him there, if only as a change-up, particularly since we were looking at the ultimate P.I.A. LB in L.Taylor.

Hmmmm, I just may come around to the idea of the Osackpo and Wilson as 3-4LBs.

In fact I think it's my Petitbon-influenced ideas that they play DE, again, hmmmm....
I'm comtemplatively signing off....thanks fredie f.
If Wilson keeps bending that corner, he's going to need a cool nickmame too.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The 1st part of the post went "barely given a chance to acclimate, learn, and grow..." THAT WAS THE POINT THERE!!! You smart-mouthed
Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 8:07 PM |

So you're saying they "acclimated,learned and grew" after the Skins dumped them? You still don't get it, the QB's you mentioned all SUCK. The Redskins figured it out quick (except for Campbell). Now go back to your armchair and put your thumb back in your mouth.

Posted by: bones21 | September 3, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

9-11 was the fault of greedy JEWS~

Posted by: bleep-bleep | September 3, 2010 7:32 PM

Cosign X 2 !!! I heartily endorse the hatred you bring to this blog. It is in complete harmony with my soul. Keep it up, bleep-bleep!!

Posted by: Chia-Pet | September 3, 2010 8:10 PM

Agreed to disagree. Cute posters such as you make this blog so much more rewarding. I'm gay and Jewish and proud. Does that make you happy?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 3, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Armchair, Dexter could have been one he// of an OLB in a 3-4.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 9:02 PM |

I think he is better off as a blood splat-pattern analyst for Showtime.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

@HokiesSkins
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Normally I don't do this, I try to stay out of the personality judging business, but I wasn't thrilled to see Housh up in Marvin Lewis' face a few times on the sideline his last year @ Cincy. Housh is intense, could Shanahan deal with him?

The larger issue for me is as a franchise and fans we can be too impatient, sometimes it can take a player more than a 2 years to fully "get it".

To go get a veteran WR is to do what we always do, give up on a young player a little too quickly and place a veteran right in his way, stifling his on the field development. I would give a list of players we've done that to, but I don't feel like it.

One or rather 3 good reasons FOR doing are the fact that the NFC East is wide open this year, forget the predictions of Cowboys dominance-they're as flawed as we are, so we may jump up there with a 10-6,11-5 record.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 9:23 PM

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 9:23 PM

nice try at changing the subject.

so are you cool with gay jewish men or not?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 3, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Miles Austin, Roy Williams and Dez Bryant.

In the last week the Cowboys have cut Pat Watkins (and 1.176 million), trade Crayton (and 2 million euros) and Pat McQuistan (and 1.176 million) Patrick Crayton http://usspost.com/patrick-crayton-16200/

Posted by: susan166 | September 3, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

so are you cool with gay jewish men or not?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 3, 2010 9:25 PM |

You mean like Howlin' Al Ginsberg?

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 3, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: susan166 | September 3, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

nice try at changing the subject.

so are you cool with gay jewish men or not?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 3, 2010 9:25 PM

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 3, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

nice try at changing the subject.

so are you cool with gay jewish men or not?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 3, 2010 9:25 PM

The subject is the Redskins. I think you're the one who's changing it.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 3, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Miles Austin, Roy Williams and Dez Bryant.

In the last week the Cowboys have cut Pat Watkins (and 1.176 million), trade Crayton (and 2 million euros) and Pat McQuistan (and 1.176 million) Patrick Crayton http://usspost.com/patrick-crayton-16200/

Posted by: susan166 | September 3, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Girls have lots of talent at skilled positions. The big question with them is their OL. If Homo is on his back every play, those skill positions don't do much to help. The Girls are very beatable this year.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Tryon, probably. Byron . . . he's out of place, not a CB. Robert Henson, too bad for him - and the Skins holding radio silence on his injury is a bad sign.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 3, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not 100% sure I like the idea of signing Housh. He would be an upgrade over Galloway, but I'm not sure we need his head-case issues. I think that the potential for trouble increases exponentially with each head-case you have on the team, and we already have Fat Albert. Do we really want to risk having another? (Same reason I'm against V. Jackson.)

It would be nice to give the young WRs a chance to develop. Armstrong looks like he might be the real deal, and a potential replacement for Moss as he draws closer to the end of his career. Austin looks like he could have the same potential. I still think Thomas is finaly going to live up to his potential this season. I have a feeling that Galloway will see less and less action as the season progresses and the young guys develop.

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 3, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Am I the first to say that the Vikings traded Sage Rosenfels to the Giants to be their #2 QB?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 3, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The subject is the Redskins. I think you're the one who's changing it.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 9:37 PM

Why are we talking with ourselves?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 3, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Someone earlier was asking about a potential trade for Logan Mankins. He would be a nice addition to our O-line, but I don't like the idea of giving up a draft pick for him. We're already short on draft picks for next year, and we have a lot of holes to fill for the future.

However, I do think this could be a possible trade destination for Carter. He might be willing to void his no-trade clause to go to a team like the Patriots. I just don't see him as a 3-4 OLB, and he would be better suited to the Pats' D.

Thoughts?

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 3, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Someone earlier was asking about a potential trade for Logan Mankins. He would be a nice addition to our O-line, but I don't like the idea of giving up a draft pick for him. We're already short on draft picks for next year, and we have a lot of holes to fill for the future.

However, I do think this could be a possible trade destination for Carter. He might be willing to void his no-trade clause to go to a team like the Patriots. I just don't see him as a 3-4 OLB, and he would be better suited to the Pats' D.

Thoughts?
Posted by: kaasmaster | September 3, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

DUDE! right on! GREAT pointz r u lik a nsider or WHUT>

Posted by: rob_in_MD | September 3, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Arizona cut their 2nd round pick from the 2009 draft - LB Cody Brown (converted from DE in college) I remember him being a hot property in the draft, some thinking he would go in the 1st round.

I wonder how long he's gonna be on the street?


Posted by: edvar | September 3, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

The subject is the Redskins. I think you're the one who's changing it.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2010 9:37 PM

Why are we talking with ourselves?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 3, 2010 10:21 PM

You don't need to fake the handle for the original post, Chia Pet. I agree with beep-beep that the subject is Washington Redskins.

Please leave this sacred blog alone. Joe Gibbs is turning over in his grave already.

Posted by: bleep-bleep | September 3, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM and Diesel,

Look, I don't wanna kill a bunch of time talking VJ because 1) unless I wake up tomorrow to the news that we've traded for him, it probably will never happen and 2) we've beaten this horse into glue. If you don't like him or think he's too expensive, that's fine...I respect that. Just don't tell me that the same team that signed Larry Johnson in the offseason and has gone out of its way to keep AH is taking some moral stand against VJ for a couple DUI. I'm not downplaying the potential seriousness of driving drunk, but we have more than one guy on the roster guilty of the same thing. There may be multiple reasons to pass on VJ (a lot of which I agree with, believe it or not), just don't site a DUI as one of 'em.

Trust me...my sincere hope is that someone steps up and makes us all happy that we didn't trade for VJ. The sooner, the better...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Am I the first to say that the Vikings traded Sage Rosenfels to the Giants to be their #2 QB?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 3, 2010 10:14 PM


You are.

This move hurts on a couple fronts...he's a quality backup if Manning gets hurt and he also knows our offense quite well from his time in Houston. Luckily, we have a REAL coaching staff that can account for all angles...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

bw26- The problem w/ VJ is his acquisition cost (1st RD pick) and then handing him a 5 yr 50 mil dollar contract. VC and DS ignored the the red flags with AH and...nuff said.

Our WRs are pedestrian at best and with the trade for DM5 we are not rebuilding. Signing a legit WR like Housh (on the cheap) makes us better immediately without mortgaging the future.

I'm sure you're with me on this now...

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins are expected to retain four corners -- Hall, Rogers, Barnes and Buchanon"

This statement just makes me laugh. At least most of us posters can admit that we have no real idea of what the Skins will do. "Expected"....Really?? I guess JR means "expected" by some of the guys I talked to in the press box.

As a football coach, this is the reason that I love discussing player performances with other guys who played/coached the sport and speak about what "they SAW" rather than just make declarations based on the team's smokescreen info or the assumptions that reporters jump to based on preseason depth charts.

It seems pretty obvious to me that we should all take Shanny's current Depth Chart with a grain of salt. It seems to be more psychological than strategic at this stage.

Posted by: SportzWiz | September 4, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Sage Rosenfels is back in the NFC East, And Eli could be one bad season away from competing for his job

Posted by: nflorida1 | September 4, 2010 2:50 AM | Report abuse

@brownwood-I'm with you, I don't care about off-field shenanigans and personalities, but I'm an exception. The fan base seems to care about off-field stuff. Washington is famous for running 'mistake-prone' players right out of town along with players that rub them the wrong way. Gilbert Arenas made a dumb mistake and damned if many fans and the media tried to run him right off the team and right out of DC. If AH didn't act up, it would be different, but now with fan and media on high alert, VJ would be dogged by his past here. DC sports fans are a pretty unforgiving bunch.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 4, 2010 2:54 AM | Report abuse

@bones
"So you're saying they "acclimated,learned and grew" after the Skins dumped them? You still don't get it, the QB's you mentioned all SUCK. The Redskins figured it out quick (except for Campbell). Now go back to your armchair and put your thumb back in your mouth."
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Again with the smart-ass mouth. You're so busy trying to make a snappy comeback, you appear to be "hard of reading".

Before we go further, can you comprehend what you read?

I can put up with many things, but don't try to tell me WTF I said.

First, the post was a response to another post, so to get where I was going with that you would have to read(wait,and comprehend) the post from that I was co-signing.

Secondly, the post was ( I can't believe I have to spell out a 2 sentence post to you) more about the propensity of the Redskins to waste picks by drafting guys and then not letting them develop.

Thirdly, the post mentioned how for the last 11 years the team has picked players for a certain coaches system or to the liking of a certain coach only to turn around and get a new coach that doesn't like the player and wants to get "his guy".

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 4, 2010 3:26 AM | Report abuse

Despite what YOU wish-you can't make up your own interpretations of my post, compose a counter-argument to your own interpretations and then come to me talking some b/u/l/l/s/h/y/t about points and idea that I didn't even present.

I don't know what so hard for you to get about a two-sentence post, but let's try it again...

"The Redskins have made quite a habit out picking QBs, barely giving them a proper chance to acclimate,learn and grow & then dumping them.

Frerotte,Rosenfels,Hamdam,Ramsey,Palmer,Brennan,Daniels,Campbell
Except for Hamdan,I think all are still in the league."
@Bones...again.

"Everyone on that list still sucks. Seriously, would you want anyone of them back here again? Glad you're not a real GM."
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And another thing, who died and made you the judge of who sucks?

How do you know Chase Daniels sucks? What's your definition? I watched him for 3 years in college at Missouri, where he had a bunch of stand-out games, notably the duels between Missouri and Kansas with Todd Reesing at QB.

Sage Rosenfels doesn't "suck". Like I said, Rosenfels was a promising prospect, who like so many others,got lost in the shuffle of a coaching change, but he showed promise here, bounced to the Texans, where by all rights, he should have kept the job, even after the "fumble", but the Texans had a bunch of so-called fans like you who ran him out of town.

Patrick Ramsey still plays in the league. Only a person like you, who's so busy trying to be smart-ass won't acknowledge he also got a raw deal here. He wasn't a Spurrier "guy" and Spurrier wasn't ready to be an NFL coach & neither was his pass-blocking schemes.
Gus had solid years here, but again franchise tumult(new owner-DS) and fans like you turning on him after the headbutt did him in here.
C.Brennan- Franchise tumult/coaching change
J.Palmer-back-up with the Bengals.
Hamdan-who knows?

The point is not that Redskins should have kept all of them, though I think that Ramsey,Rosenfels & Daniels were keepers. No, the point was that we drafted these QBs for certain coaches systems and either didn't give them a proper chance to acclimate, grow and learn with either the coach that wanted them or with the necessary amount of time it takes to evaluate them.
What you appear to want to do is go "Aha" because the REST of their careers have been unremarkable. But, we're not talking about the rest of the careers, we're talking about WHEN they were with the Skins'.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 4, 2010 3:41 AM | Report abuse

So is Sage > Sexy?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 4, 2010 3:47 AM | Report abuse

@bones...again
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Something the Redskins have a bad habit of also is deciding a certain position needs personnel and overwhelming the position with players, who get in each other's way- developmentally. We do it at the safety position, the wide receiver position, cornerback and quarterback.

Take Campbell, Brennan and Daniels, for example-we had a promising young QB in Campbell, who had the coach who drafted him in 2005, J.Gibbs, leave. The franchise then acquires, Brennan in 2008 and Daniels in 2009, both of whom are also young and in need of grooming. They were piled up on each other, while going through the "Snyder Swirl". Brennan, like Campbell and so many others, had the coach who supported him, Zorn leave(understandbly-you know, I felt compelled to write that, lest you miscomprehend that to mean I think Zorn shouldn't have left-you see, I have your logic down pat now-you don't do inferences).

Daniels was an undrafted rookie-so he naturally was a long shot, but somehow he's managed to become relevant in NO-the Super Bowl Champs.

Which brings me back to your magical way of thinking, How do you know when someone sucks, if you barely see them play? You must be able to predict lottery tickets also, huh?

Please enlighten us, because from where I sit, you're one of these fans that think being snarky, snide and sneering is synonymous with "passion"....or intelligence. It isn't.

Despite what fans like you believe, Bones, it still takes about 5 years to fully "get it" as an NFL QB-always has, always will. So barely any of these QBs had a chance to get acclimated, grow and learn before being tossed aside for the next hot thing by the next hot coach.

Do you COMPREHEND now?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 4, 2010 4:07 AM | Report abuse

@SkinsfaninKanoehe
I don't know about Sexy, but I hope this guy doesn't become Steve Buerelein with the Giants. I used to laugh when we would hurt Aikman and then I would remember Buerelein was the back-up. He used to play against us as though we hurt his feelings...a real pain in the butt. Sage has that ability.

Wait a sec, we DO have Osackpo and Wilson...there I can go watch S.T.N.G. with pleasant thoughts.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 4, 2010 4:16 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, I haven't recovered from JReid's typo the other day.

"Feltcher"

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 4, 2010 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Chase Daniels now #2 QB in New Orleans....thanks again Zorn.

Posted by: chrislarry
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The Redskins have made quite a habit out picking QBs, barely giving them a proper chance to acclimate,learn and grow & then dumping them.

Frerotte,Rosenfels,Hamdam,Ramsey,Palmer,Brennan,Daniels,Campbell
Except for Hamdan,I think all are still in the league.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Could not disagree more.

Ramsey journeyman who can't stay on any team and was just cut again...

Rosenfels..same thing but traded again....

Palmer...Still 3rd string back up after how many years now?

Colt is ok at best and can't stay healthy and has an ego the size of fed ex only played well in one qt of his rookie year against back ups..

Campbell you can NOT sit there and say he was not given a chance...That's just hilarious...Dude had more chances than any Qb I can remember.

frerotte is also another journeyman who had some talent but turned the ball over a bunch and well is out of football.

Chase is the only QB that played well and was cut and has now caught on as a back up with the saints...but to proclaim him as a good QB is kinda premature and the jury is still out.

Posted by: leevi98 | September 4, 2010 5:18 AM | Report abuse

This one has me cracking up to no end.

"There is no way that London should be called a "Feltcher". IT IS JUST NOT RIGHT!! And to say Haslett loves "Feltcher" is way too presumptuous! Leave it in the locker room, Reid!

Posted by: coolcraig | September 2, 2010 4:24 PM"

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 4, 2010 5:23 AM | Report abuse

"Second-year player Kevin Barnes is listed as the backup to top corner DeAngelo Hall and newcomer Phillip Buchanon is behind Rogers"


Given our weakness at FS and the new regime's penchant for changing folks' position, why not move K Barnes to FS, and thus, be able to keep J Tryon.

I'd rather have five corners with one learning to play safety than two questionable FS in Horton and Doughty.

The move makes even more sense as when K Moore gets healthy, you have better depth at FS as Barnes as spent time learning the position.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 4, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

"Chase is the only QB that played well...but to proclaim him as a good QB is kinda premature and the jury is still out."

Major internet bet her: time will show that Chase Daniels is a better quarterback than John Beck, Colt Brennen, and Sage Rosenfels.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 4, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

"I'm staying after class so Professor Brady slaps me across the face with his big fleshy ruler..."

---so says:

a. MrIrvin88

b. bleep-bleep

c. El Drano

d. whoever supports something called 'Star Pride!'

e. all of the above

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 4, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

"Chase is the only QB that played well...but to proclaim him as a good QB is kinda premature and the jury is still out."

Major internet bet her: time will show that Chase Daniels is a better quarterback than John Beck, Colt Brennen, and Sage Rosenfels.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 4, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

i would agree with that point of view as a prediction..but it's not fact as of today.

I think you completely missed the point of the response i was making to a quote from another post.. let me re post....

Chase Daniels now #2 QB in New Orleans....thanks again Zorn.

Posted by: chrislarry
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The Redskins have made quite a habit out picking QBs, barely giving them a proper chance to acclimate,learn and grow & then dumping them.

Frerotte,Rosenfels,Hamdam,Ramsey,Palmer,Brennan,Daniels,Campbell
Except for Hamdan,I think all are still in the league.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Could not disagree more.

Ramsey journeyman who can't stay on any team and was just cut again...

Rosenfels..same thing but traded again....

Palmer...Still 3rd string back up after how many years now?

Colt is ok at best and can't stay healthy and has an ego the size of fed ex only played well in one qt of his rookie year against back ups..

Campbell you can NOT sit there and say he was not given a chance...That's just hilarious...Dude had more chances than any Qb I can remember.

frerotte is also another journeyman who had some talent but turned the ball over a bunch and well is out of football.

Chase is the only QB that played well and was cut and has now caught on as a back up with the saints...but to proclaim him as a good QB is kinda premature and the jury is still out.

Posted by: leevi98 | September 4, 2010 5:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | September 4, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Houshmandzadeh....I would think the Skins would jump all over this but it appears they know something bout the WR core that we don't so trust we must!

Posted by: leevi98 | September 4, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse


ArmchairGM

DC sports fans are a pretty unforgiving bunch.

Your long drawn out post are unforgiving. Talk about manifestoes.

Posted by: hessone | September 4, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

I think you completely missed the point of the response i was making to a quote from another post.. let me re post....

Posted by: leevi98 | September 4, 2010 7:39 AM

Moe didn't "completely miss the point." He accepted your point and he made a different point. Personally, I agree with both of you.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 4, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 4, 2010 7:37 AM |

e. all of the above

Posted by: hessone | September 4, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

This move hurts on a couple fronts...he's a quality backup if Manning gets hurt and he also knows our offense quite well from his time in Houston. Luckily, we have a REAL coaching staff that can account for all angles...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2010 11:29 PM

I don't see it hurting at all. Rosenfels is a backup. Nine years in the league, 12 starts. Not even good enough to be a backup in Minnesota. If Eli goes down, Rosenfels is not an upgrade but a downgrade at the QB position.

He "knows" the Houston offense, where he had his two best years in the league, but we're not running the Houston offense, because these coaches adapt their offense to the players they have.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 4, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse


brownwood + beep-beep = argument clinic

Posted by: hessone | September 4, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Rich Gannon, Trent Green, Brad Johnson anyone?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 4, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Remember when Tim Hasselbeck started a few games here?

WTH.

Posted by: p1funk | September 4, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Re: Housh

Word is there are 4 main teams in the mix - Vikes, Cards, Jets, Chargers - which likely means there will be no release and Seattle will work a trade w/ highest bidder.

Folks, we don't need to go balls-to-the-wall to find another WR. DMac has had a pretty successful career without needing a topflight WR. When he is playing in rhythm, he is usually spreading the ball around to lots of receivers.

We don't need Housh. We definitely don't need VJax.

Now if their teams released them and they knocked on Shanny's door and said they'd it was always their dream to play in FedEX Field in front of the best fans in the world, of course we'd give 'em a run, but...

Posted by: p1funk | September 4, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse


Remember when Tim Hasselbeck started a few games here?

WTH.

Posted by: p1funk | September 4, 2010 8:22 AM |

Wasn't that around Spurrier's time as head coach ?

Posted by: hessone | September 4, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

brownwood + beep-beep = argument clinic

Posted by: hessone | September 4, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse


brownwood + beep-beep = methadone clinic

...fixed it for ya.

Posted by: p1funk | September 4, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Gotta believe that the Turk has already collected several playbooks out at Redskins Park and given out some bus tickets.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 4, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Justin who?

Posted by: jemoorman | September 4, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Our WRs are pedestrian at best and with the trade for DM5 we are not rebuilding. Signing a legit WR like Housh (on the cheap) makes us better immediately without mortgaging the future.

I'm sure you're with me on this now...

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 3, 2010 11:38 PM


You had me until you made the contradictory statement "legit WR like Housh". If he were "legit", a WR-starved team like Seattle wouldn't outright cut a guy that on paper should be their #1 WR.

pfunk, nobody is trading for Housh at the high price of $7 million for this year alone...even in an uncapped year. He's getting cut. I'd be stunned if someone bails Seattle out of that mess.

I hope that DMac is able to recreate some of the "magic with mediocre WRs" like he did in Philly. I'm probably a bit punch drunk from years and years of loving what I see from us on paper and not seeing it translate on the field. Here's hoping this new regime gets us overachieving instead of underachieving...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Justin who?

Posted by: jemoorman | September 4, 2010 9:06 AM

Bieber. You know, the guy up in the corner of the page in the X-finity ads?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard an update on Henson's injury? I can't find any news on that anywhere.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | September 4, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard an update on Henson's injury? I can't find any news on that anywhere.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | September 4, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Here's hoping this new regime gets us overachieving instead of underachieving...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2010 9:25 AM

Agree to agree, brownwood. There was enough talent on last year's team that, even with the injuries, Shanahan could have made the playoffs against the weak schedule we faced. How many times did we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory last year?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 4, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, nobody is trading for Housh at the high price of $7 million for this year alone...even in an uncapped year. He's getting cut. I'd be stunned if someone bails Seattle out of that mess.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse


I don't the technicalities, but I'm sure a salary split could be negotiated in a trade. Team X will trade "ABC" to Seattle and pick-up "D" portion of his 7 mill. That sort of thing.

Apparently Housh has a clause in his contract that is going to guarantee him $7 mill from Seattle, unless he plays for another team, and then Seattle is responsible for the difference between $7mill and whatever that team is paying Housh.

Posted by: p1funk | September 4, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

What time is the deadline to get down to 53? 4pm?

Posted by: Rusty6392 | September 4, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

methadone clinic

Posted by: p1funk | September 4, 2010 8:30 AM

Good luck with that, funk. Hope you can find the treatment you need. First step to recovery is to admit you got a problem. Glad to see you're on your way.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 4, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

FWIW

Jon Jansen, FYI--> RT @BigJon76: I was just told by the Lions I'm being cut today. Needless to say I'm disappointed.

32 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Posted by: TWISI | September 4, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Hush info

RT @joereedy Per a league source, the Vikings, Jets, Chargers and Cardinals have made trade offers with the Seahawks for Houshmandzadeh

41 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Posted by: TWISI | September 4, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Jon Jansen, FYI--> RT @BigJon76: I was just told by the Lions I'm being cut today. Needless to say I'm disappointed.

32 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Posted by: TWISI | September 4, 2010 9:59 AM

How's he gonna blame this on the Redskins? Hope he doesn't plan to retire as a Redskin.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 4, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Here's hoping this new regime gets us overachieving instead of underachieving...

Posted by: brownwood26

As much as I bash Gibbs 2.0 those teams overachieved big time. No way they should have ever even sniffed the 2nd round of the playoffs.

And even in that game they were in it for a good majority of it.


With Zorn, the results yielded exactly what they should have:

Clueless head coach + sub par QB play + porous offensive line + bend/don't break defense + player mismanagement = The Jim Zorn years


MoFos couldn't even begin to try and get by.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 4, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

If Chargers get Houshmandzadeh today, VJak definitely gone.

Posted by: TWISI | September 4, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

No "splash" trade needed right now for a WR. Remember...for years we had a "one player away" mentality. We may have something in Anthony Armstrong and Cooley and Davis could be deadly.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 4, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

man, I come here to talk Skins, enjoy the wit of Sween, Moe and other crafty vets, maybe get some "inside" info once and a while...and some of you just are bound and determined to quibble like 3 yr olds over a Tickle Me Elroy doll.

It's Dallas Week (almost). Tighten up.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 4, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I predict this year's Redskins will be simliar to the 2006 Redskins that made the playoffs under Gibbs.

That team was not dominant or elite on offense or defense. They had a good running game and had a good game manager in Brunell. We peaked at the right time and was relatively healthy.

There are a lot of "sexy" early picks, but it all depends on who's healthy and playing the best football in December.

I think people totally underestimated how mediocre Jason Campbell was along with a bad coach and O-line. The Raiders will soon see.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 4, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

No "splash" trade needed right now for a WR. Remember...for years we had a "one player away" mentality. We may have something in Anthony Armstrong and Cooley and Davis could be deadly.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 4, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I think we are all so used to being the first team to snatch up a high profile free agent.

We're like the girl with daddy issues that always dates jerks that treat her badly.

This regime is different, no big FA signings or trades please.

The receiving corps will be fine, especially with the TE's.

Other than McNabb(which we needed) the trades and signings have been very frugal.

Can't wait for Sunday. Who else is going to the game?

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 4, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"How's he gonna blame this on the Redskins? Hope he doesn't plan to retire as a Redskin.
Posted by: beep-beep"

I feel ya. He was just ticked off. But he was a heck of a tackle for a lot of years. He should retire in Washington.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 4, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Elmo. Tickle Me Elmo.


I was fond of Elroy Jetson too back in the day. But not as much as Judy, or Jane for that matter.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 4, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Hard to imagine Housh gets cut. He'll just get picked up somewhere else and Seattle will still have to carry the weight. A trade might bring them something of value in return. That's a team with a lot of holes, including at CB now that Josh Wilson is gone, and Minnesota & San Diego have some depth there. Or there's always the ubiquitous conditional draft choice.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 4, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

We don't need Housh. We definitely don't need VJax.

Posted by: p1funk

We also don't need no stinkin' badges

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 4, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Chase is the only QB that played well and was cut and has now caught on as a back up with the saints..."Posted by: leevi98

I wondered why they kept Colt Brennan over Chase Daniel last season. I'm sure being 5'10" was an obstacle for our friend Chase. But he was clearly better than Brennan, the Cult of Whom has always baffled me.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 4, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse


man, I come here to talk Skins, enjoy the wit of Sween, Moe and other crafty vets, maybe get some "inside" info once and a while...and some of you just are bound and determined to quibble like 3 yr olds over a Tickle Me Elroy doll.

It's Dallas Week (almost). Tighten up.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG |

Don't know what you're talking about. Most posters poke fun at each other, while some get into deep discussions or arguments, if you'd like. Yes, there's some hatred, but that's part of our world. I suggest folks grow some thick skin if they can't take what's writen on the board. Jeez

Besides, isn't it tickle me Elmo ? LMAO

Posted by: hessone | September 4, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

With Zorn, the results yielded exactly what they should have:

Clueless head coach + sub par QB play + porous offensive line + bend/don't break defense + player mismanagement = The Jim Zorn years


MoFos couldn't even begin to try and get by.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 4, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse


When teams have a "team" concept and play with heart ("play their guts out" in Gibbs-speak), they will usually overacheive.

Zorn years were bad, but I wouldn't lay it all on Zorn. He was just another bad decision in a long line of them.

The Zorn years were the same as the pre-Gibbs years. Dysfunction at the top, cut-n-paste approach to building a team, expensive FAs (sadly this was also a feature of Gibbs 2.0).

Zorn was clearly not HC material, but the real celebration is looking forward to an era without Vinny Cerratto...

Posted by: p1funk | September 4, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Zorn was clearly not HC material, but the real celebration is looking forward to an era without Vinny Cerratto...

Posted by: p1funk | September 4, 2010 10:31 AM |

Clearly, one of the easiest post to co-sign !

Posted by: hessone | September 4, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

DeSean Jackson
5'10"
175 lbs.
4.35 40 time

Terrance Austin
5'10"
175 lbs.
4.38 40 time

Is this our "De'Sean Jackson"? Is Austin the "heir apparent" to Santana Moss?

Posted by: rickyroge | September 4, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Hard to imagine Housh gets cut. He'll just get picked up somewhere else and Seattle will still have to carry the weight. A trade might bring them something of value in return. That's a team with a lot of holes, including at CB now that Josh Wilson is gone, and Minnesota & San Diego have some depth there. Or there's always the ubiquitous conditional draft choice.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 4, 2010 10:24 AM


Samson, no chance someone is going to trade for a guy that's going to get cut anyway. It would be one thing if word got out that he was on the trading block...it's another when the report is "they'll cut him if they can't trade him". Giving up a pick for a guy you can get for free is a Vinny move.

pfunk, as I understand it, even if he gets cut Seattle has to pick up the tab on his $7 mill. Whatever salary he gets in his next stop offsets some of what Seattle owes, but Seattle will still owe. The new team won't wanna pay him that $7 mill, so that's not even a possibility, IMO.

I've always liked Jansen, but it's time for dude to move on. Retire as a Redskin if you like (provided he hasn't burned that bridge at both ends), but just retire already.

Red, 100% co-sign on the Gibbs 2.0 Era. He had no business taking that clusterf*ck of mediocrity to the playoffs once, let alone twice. His record doesn't reflect the positive impact he had on the organization and in my book he did a solid service to his HoF bust, even though it didn't show up in the W/L column.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

brownwood...

I would disagree slightly when you talk about Gibbs 2.0's impact on the organization. Gibbs was the President of the team and while we made some good acquisitions, we gave away draft picks like water...We gave a 5th rounder for TJ Duckett!!! There was Brandon Lloyd. We tore his contract up and gave him a new one. There was Adam Archuleta.

I think Joe Gibbs 2.0 is 50/50 (and I'm not talking about Rod Gardner)

Posted by: rickyroge | September 4, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

When I said lets get Housh, I probably should have elaborated. Let's get Housh if he is cut. Don't want to trade for him. Plus, as has been pointed out, he would not cost us much because Seattle would be footing the bulk of the bill. That being said, it is likely some team will cave and give a pick to get Housh (assuming that Seattle will still pick up most of the tab).

Posted by: HokiesSkins | September 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

When all the smoke clears, who cares about the trail of wreckage we left behind with 3rd string QB's who got cut "too soon" by the Skins. Not one guy on that list was gonna get on the field and help us be a better team.

Frankly, I couldn't wait for them to sh!t can Frerotte. There's a reason those guys are journeymen. They are good enough to play a little, but none are good enough to build a team and a franchise around.

Look around the NFL. It is littered with back up QB's who were cut by the team that drafted them and they washed up on the shores of other teams. So friggen' what?

In the period you mentioned, we changed coaches how many times? Let's move on.

...and F-Dallas!

Posted by: edvar | September 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"Samson, no chance someone is going to trade for a guy that's going to get cut anyway. It would be one thing if word got out that he was on the trading block...it's another when the report is "they'll cut him if they can't trade him". Giving up a pick for a guy you can get for free is a Vinny move."

Suppose the player has some value and a team wants to insure they get him over a competing team. Doesn't a trade make sense then?

Posted by: Samson151 | September 4, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Janson was cut by the lions....Just reminded me of all the great years he played with The Skins...

Boy when he was at his peak....he could Block his ass off....i remember that stretch early on when Strahan couldn't get a sack on us.

Posted by: leevi98 | September 4, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

F-Dallas!

Posted by: edvar | September 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Quote of the year!

Posted by: leevi98 | September 4, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel is probably better in New Orleans than he would have been for us or anybody else. Learning behind another shorty like brees is perfect for him.

Posted by: AdamCr | September 4, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse


Samson, no chance someone is going to trade for a guy that's going to get cut anyway. It would be one thing if word got out that he was on the trading block...it's another when the report is "they'll cut him if they can't trade him". Giving up a pick for a guy you can get for free is a Vinny move.

pfunk, as I understand it, even if he gets cut Seattle has to pick up the tab on his $7 mill. Whatever salary he gets in his next stop offsets some of what Seattle owes, but Seattle will still owe. The new team won't wanna pay him that $7 mill, so that's not even a possibility, IMO.

I've always liked Jansen, but it's time for dude to move on. Retire as a Redskin if you like (provided he hasn't burned that bridge at both ends), but just retire already.

Red, 100% co-sign on the Gibbs 2.0 Era. He had no business taking that clusterf*ck of mediocrity to the playoffs once, let alone twice. His record doesn't reflect the positive impact he had on the organization and in my book he did a solid service to his HoF bust, even though it didn't show up in the W/L column.

Posted by: brownwood26

Seattle will trade Housh, or they should. They guy has value ... similar stats to Santana Moss. It'll be an auction, starting with a 7th round pick and going up from there. If Sea is really covering the bill, he probably gets them a 4th rounder. Good WR with 3-5 years left, cheap? That's better than a 2nd round WR pick in these parts.

As for Gibb 2.0, several things were clear. He'd forgotten a lot on the coaching front and had little clue on evaluating talent and valuing draft picks. On the flip side, he was a superb leader and restored respect to the organization. For a brief moment, the Redskins were actually a team that other feared to play. Can't say that about the Skins since Gibbs 1.0.

I was one of the few up here that agreed with Gibbs -- that character matters. DEBACLE '09 proved it. Cerrato got rid of the Gibbs mentality and got talent without character and this team imploded.

Gibbs 2.0 was a modest success -- one that mgmt rejected as soon as Gibbs left the building.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 4, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sure the cuts have been made. An update would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

F Dallas
F Duke

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 4, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

From Robert Henson's TC journal

Seems the dude has matured a lot on and off the field over the last year..

So now comes the toughest part of camp for any player or coach-who stays and who goes. This decision will impact the lives of every man on this team. To cut from 75 to 53 has to be a challenge, and I understand that so my goal was to make it as hard/easy of a decision as possible. I have to switch subjects for a second and speak my mind about being injured in the 3rd quarter. I do not really know what happened...I just felt a sharp pain, and the training staff decided to pull me just to be safe. I honestly felt like I let my teammates down by not being out there, and I broke down emotionally. This is my job and I want to be the best at it, and I cannot do that from the sidelines. I played beside so many great players tonight and no matter what happens we will be brothers for life!! HTTR!!

I want to give a special thank you to Ken and Kevin and everybody from Hogs Haven for the opportunity to do these journal entries. I also want to say thank you to the fans who continue to read and respond as well as continue to cheer for me despite my bone head Twitter comment last year. You all are truly the best fans in football and I would love to be a 'Skin for life. Have a blessed day!!

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 4, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sure the cuts have been made. An update would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

F Dallas
♥ Duke

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 4, 2010 11:29 AM

If you want to know the cuts today, read them in PFT. If you can wait until tomorrow, then buy the newspaper out of a box.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 4, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Predicted 2010 Skins Roster:

Offense (25):
(C) Rabach, Lichtensteiger
(G) Dockery, Hicks, Rinehart
(T) T.Williams, Brown, Heyer, Capers
(QB) McNabb, Grossman, Beck
(RB) Portis, Johnson, Torain
(FB) Sellers, Davis
(TE) Cooley, Davis, Paulsen
(WR) Moss, Galloway, Armstrong, Thomas, Austin

Defense (25):
(DE) Haynesworth, Carriker, Holliday, Golston, Daniels, Jarmon
(NT) Kemoeatu, Bryant
(ILB) Fletcher, McIntosh, Riley, Blades
(OLB) Orakpo, Carter, Alexander, Wilson
(CB) Hall, Rogers, Buchanon, Barnes
(S) Landry, Moore, Carter, Doughty, Horton

Special Teams (3):
(K) Gano
(P) Bidwell
(LS) Sundberg

Practice Squad (6):
Cook(C), Bartel(QB), Young(FB), Williams(RB), Banks(WR), Henson(LB)

Posted by: siris | September 4, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

This from PFT:

Redskins cut Willie Parker
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 4, 2010 11:43 AM ET
Willie Parker is looking for work.

It was widely believed that Parker would be the odd man out in the Redskins' running back competition, and Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that that's what happened: The Redskins have told Parker they're releasing him.

Schefter also reports that Parker is in the process of hiring a new agent now that he's free to seek deals with other teams.

Parker got the start for the Redskins in the preseason finale and picked up 35 yards on seven carries.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 4, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

from pft
Redskins cut Willie Parker
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 4, 2010 11:43 AM ET
Willie Parker is looking for work.

It was widely believed that Parker would be the odd man out in the Redskins' running back competition, and Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that that's what happened: The Redskins have told Parker they're releasing him.

Schefter also reports that Parker is in the process of hiring a new agent now that he's free to seek deals with other teams.

Parker got the start for the Redskins in the preseason finale and picked up 35 yards on seven carries.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 4, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

I've beeen hitting refresh on PFT and it's weird that they buried that post instead of the normal chronological order.

Hopefully the Rambling Wreck loses today too...

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 4, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

There was Brandon Lloyd. We tore his contract up and gave him a new one. There was Adam Archuleta.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 4, 2010 10:49 AM |

1. Lloyd. Dude is doin' it for the Broncs.

2. Archuleta. It was more like Draculeta. Dude was more interested in biting peeps on the neck than playing fubbal.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | September 4, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully the Rambling Wreck loses today too...

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 4, 2010 11:54 AM |

F you Diesel

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

F-Dallas!

Posted by: edvar | September 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Quote of the year!

Posted by: leevi98 | September 4, 2010 11:09 AM

Thanks! I made it up myself.

Posted by: edvar | September 4, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Chase is the only QB that played well and was cut and has now caught on as a back up with the saints..."Posted by: leevi98

I wondered why they kept Colt Brennan over Chase Daniel last season. I'm sure being 5'10" was an obstacle for our friend Chase. But he was clearly better than Brennan, the Cult of Whom has always baffled me.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 4, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse
If I remember correctly, they put Chase on practice squad, and Colt on IR. So they didn't keep one and not the other.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 4, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

beepo

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

See ya, Parker,

Figured it would work out that way. Johnson offers more of a change-up from Portis than Parker does. I just wish LJ was more devoted to being a good blocker.

I'm thinking that Torain will be the third back with K. Williams ending up on the practice squad, but thats a tougher call. Could go either way.

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 4, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow I got some questions.......

Pf1 funk, what makes you think we don't need vj???

Ok how bout not VJ but a big play wr

We haven't ever had a big reciever here as far as I can remember

My thought is if we don't have a guy lined up out wide who the d has to account for, were gonna do a whole lot of runnin...

Have a top tier wr will make defense thro blanket coverages his way, allowing others oppurtunities to make plays

Good players make other people better

For example, last yr with hayny

When he was on the field everyone else got better....

Hany being there allowed orakpo n carter to each grab 11 sacks

Haynys numbers were sub par definetly but without a doubt he helped AC n Sackpo cuz o lines focused on him

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 4, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow I got some questions.......

Pf1 funk, what makes you think we don't need vj???

Ok how bout not VJ but a big play wr

We haven't ever had a big reciever here as far as I can remember

My thought is if we don't have a guy lined up out wide who the d has to account for, were gonna do a whole lot of runnin...

Have a top tier wr will make defense thro blanket coverages his way, allowing others oppurtunities to make plays

Good players make other people better

For example, last yr with hayny

When he was on the field everyone else got better....

Hany being there allowed orakpo n carter to each grab 11 sacks

Haynys numbers were sub par definetly but without a doubt he helped AC n Sackpo cuz o lines focused on him

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 4, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow I got some questions.......

Pf1 funk, what makes you think we don't need vj???

Ok how bout not VJ but a big play wr

We haven't ever had a big reciever here as far as I can remember

My thought is if we don't have a guy lined up out wide who the d has to account for, were gonna do a whole lot of runnin...

Have a top tier wr will make defense thro blanket coverages his way, allowing others oppurtunities to make plays

Good players make other people better

For example, last yr with hayny

When he was on the field everyone else got better....

Hany being there allowed orakpo n carter to each grab 11 sacks

Haynys numbers were sub par definetly but without a doubt he helped AC n Sackpo cuz o lines focused on him

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 4, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 was a modest success -- one that mgmt rejected as soon as Gibbs left the building.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 4, 2010 11:28 AM


Exactly. I'm not saying that Gibbs 2.0 was a renaissance (although, up against any other regime after Gibbs 1.0, you might make a case that it was), just that Gibbs got things going in the right direction. With some better FO direction and coaching hire that would have given us a more updated continuance of the smashmouth identity (Russ Grimm immediately comes to mind), this team would have been set and we'd be talking SB this year instead of shifting gears for the umpteenth time. But it's neither here nor there at this point...hopefully this direction is finally the right one.

As for Housh...let's not make this guy into something he's not. Dude has yet to really prove he's a #1 WR in this league. He's done most of his damage playing 2nd fiddle to Ochocinco, and I have a sneaking suspicion this dude is this generation's Alvin Harper (only without the hardware). Look at Housh's numbers:

http://www.nfl.com/players/t.j.houshmandzadeh/profile?id=HOU337963

Nothing says "can't stretch the field" quite like getting 90 catches and not breaking 1,000 yards. Dude had 9.8 yards per catch his last year in Cincy. I've seen RBs do better. He's a possession receiver with diva-like qualities. He'd be a nice piece for a team that needs help in the slot, but we're not that team. We need someone who can play outside and not b*tch when the ball doesn't come his way every passing down. Housh ain't that guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 was a modest success -- one that mgmt rejected as soon as Gibbs left the building.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 4, 2010 11:28 AM


Exactly. I'm not saying that Gibbs 2.0 was a renaissance (although, up against any other regime after Gibbs 1.0, you might make a case that it was), just that Gibbs got things going in the right direction. With some better FO direction and coaching hire that would have given us a more updated continuance of the smashmouth identity (Russ Grimm immediately comes to mind), this team would have been set and we'd be talking SB this year instead of shifting gears for the umpteenth time. But it's neither here nor there at this point...hopefully this direction is finally the right one.

As for Housh...let's not make this guy into something he's not. Dude has yet to really prove he's a #1 WR in this league. He's done most of his damage playing 2nd fiddle to Ochocinco, and I have a sneaking suspicion this dude is this generation's Alvin Harper (only without the hardware). Look at Housh's numbers:

http://www.nfl.com/players/t.j.houshmandzadeh/profile?id=HOU337963

Nothing says "can't stretch the field" quite like getting 90 catches and not breaking 1,000 yards. Dude had 9.8 yards per catch his last year in Cincy. I've seen RBs do better. He's a possession receiver with diva-like qualities. He'd be a nice piece for a team that needs help in the slot, but we're not that team. We need someone who can play outside and not b*tch when the ball doesn't come his way every passing down. Housh ain't that guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

AB-SO-LUTELY. #20 SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CUT.
HIS PLAY THIS PRESEASON WAS VERY VERY GOOD.
THIS WAS A MISTAKE, AND THIS TEAM SHOULD CORRECT IT ASAP IF HE IS SOMEHOW NOT CLAIMED, WHICH I FULLY EXPECT TO HAPPEN.
BIG, HUGE GINORMOUS MISTAKE. THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. THE REDSKINS JUST HURT THEIR ROSTER & TEAM GREATLY WITH THIS BAD
DECISION. MARK MY WORDS, SHANAHAN & ALLEN.
MY GOD, ONE OF YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER.

Posted by: Smoca021 | September 4, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

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