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Will the Redskins Motor in Detroit?

With so much of the sports punditocracy picking the Lions to beat the Redskins on Sunday, let's see if the poll from Tuesday changes.

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By Cindy Boren  |  September 25, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
 
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Posted by: digitaldelight | September 25, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say it's corny to post the same thing over and over again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I voted Lions 9 or less, just in case JZ or one of the redskins are reading this to make them play more agressive come sunday

Posted by: digitaldelight | September 25, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say it's corny to post the same thing over and over again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:05 AM

But, posting "FIRST" when you're second is REALLY COOL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 25, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

*repost - new thread*

Possibly, but how would we know? None of the WRs except ARE have gotten enough balls to know whether they're better than Moss. We don't know what we've got in Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas.

Posted by: talent_evaluator
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We know because of how real talent evaluators ie: opposing defensive coaches scheme against us. They double cover Moss because they have to. If they didn't he'd be devastating, and they can look at tape and see that. You know Campbell looks his way often, he'd have a lot more catches if he wasn't a huge focus for the defense.

Kelly on the other hand is not covered so tightly yet is not catching many balls. More important is that he continues to be not covered so tightly (doubled). Even if he isn't racking up yards, if he was beating single coverage consistently, you'd see the Defense making a change, but he isn't, and they don't.

And you might want to say at this point, that maybe Kelly is getting open all the time in single coverage, and JC just isn't getting to that read in time. But JZ isn't so dumb that he wouldn't notice, and Kelly isn't so shy that he wouldn't point it out.

PAskinsfan17:

The only reason I wouldn't play him in the slot is because ARE has found a great niche there. I don't want to take that away from ARE and interrupt his flow. I think JC is establishing a really good connection there so far this season, and I'd like them to build on that connection.

Remember that specialization is key, and moving receivers around while it might confuse the defense, might also confuse JC to some degree.

I like Moss in motion, I like the idea of moving him from one side to another, to overload the side he moves to. That way the safety who was planning on picking him up has to make a big adjustment.

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Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say it's corny to post the same thing over and over again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:05 AM

But, posting "FIRST" when you're second is REALLY COOL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 25, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Interesting line in this story - from WTOP
"Redskins haven't picked starter to replace Thomas"
September 24, 2009 - 4:25pm
(AP) By HOWARD FENDRICH AP Sports Writer
.....Zorn said after practice Thursday that Chad Rinehart and Will Montgomery are still competing to start against Detroit (0-2) Sunday.
Rinehart has never played a down in the NFL. None of the five reserve offensive linemen on the team's 53-man roster was on the field for a single snap in 2008.
Montgomery filled in after Thomas left last weekend's 9-7 victory over St. Louis. Thomas had surgery Thursday on his right triceps....
-NONE...NONE of the five reserve O-linemen played a single snap last year? WTH?? It's like Zorn wants these guys to be pro-bowlers before he'll put them in the game! But how can they become pro-bowlers without getting on the freaking field - arrrrgggghhhh!! i can't take it!! Are these back-up O-linemen that bad they can't get on the field at all last year?!? Lord help us now!

Posted by: RedBaron2008 | September 25, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Whats the line on Sundays game. I cant imagine Vegas has the Lions favored.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Open the game with a WR screen to Moss. Get his feet wet early.

Posted by: atkinsoncd | September 25, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Open the game with a WR screen to Moss. Get his feet wet early.

Posted by: atkinsoncd | September 25, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

On the other hand...open up the game with anything other than a run to the left.

Posted by: atkinsoncd | September 25, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

disagree with throwing to moss to start, throw to everyone BUT moss if they're doubling him. take advantage of that double team, have him run deep post routes, and leave the underneath WFO.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I got the spread with us favored by 6.5 with the over under 38.5

Posted by: theFreshinAU | September 25, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I watched that left DE for the Lions last week. Heyer better be ready, that guy is trying to make a name for himself (although I can't remember what his name is.)

Someone said Redkins -6.5 yesterday.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Rocket Screen

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 25, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I hope to God I find T_E in an alley one day...on that day your handle becomes teeth_eliminated.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Whats the line on Sundays game. I cant imagine Vegas has the Lions favored.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 10:16 AM

Last I saw it was skins favored by 6.5

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 25, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I hope to God I find T_E in an alley one day...on that day your handle becomes teeth_eliminated.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:22 AM |

Uh oh, internet tough guy alert.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I hope to God I find T_E in an alley one day...on that day your handle becomes teeth_eliminated.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:22 AM

Not likely, brownwood. I don't spend time in alleys. But, keep looking.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 25, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

te, stay out of the alleys where you live....brownie is waiting for you...he apparently wants to perform some type of dentistry on you.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Mike Williams is a FAIL. Guy has lost too much weight too fast, is all weak and unable to compete. Maybe 6 months from now his body will be right, but for now...

I'm having a hard time envisioning that Jeremy Bridges was so bad, it was better to go into the season with backups who hadnt played a down in '08 rather than Bridges.

I hate you Vinny!!

Posted by: divi3 | September 25, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

internet bullying at it's very finest.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | September 25, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, just getting little tired of his antics. The vast majority of us come here to talk Skins and get into some arguments along the way. He comes for the arguments and throws in a Skins comment ever so often. There's gotta be other blogs for that, I hear Craigslist is never short on crazies...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, just getting little tired of his antics. The vast majority of us come here to talk Skins and get into some arguments along the way. He comes for the arguments and throws in a Skins comment ever so often. There's gotta be other blogs for that, I hear Craigslist is never short on crazies...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:29 AM |

It's all good Brownie, I get pissed off at people up here all the time. I just like to poke fun when given the opportunity (which is quite a bit around here.) I expect to take it, too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

t_e has a boner for bwood26...

I couldn't care less how someone would react if the Redskins beat Detroit.

No, what really would be interesting to see is if the Redskins actually lose to Detroit.

And for you claim that I want it to happen I'll make it clear: I DO NOT want the Redskins to lose to Detroit. Sad that I have to include that shi**y disclaimer, but I might get accused of being a terrorist or communist.

I'm just curious to see how many people would be a no-show on the blog Monday, or how many would say either of the following:

1)The streak isn't when they're playing in Detroit, it's at home.

2)Detroit has lost 19 straight, they were hungry for a win.

3)It's Zorn's fault because...

4)It's Campbell's fault because...

5)It's Portis' fault because...

6)It's the defense's fault because...

7)It's not like this team was going to contend for a super bowl anyway.

8)Relax, folks. They're 1-2

9)Give Zorn and Campbell more time to gel.

10)Okay, they lost to the Lions, so? The NFL is a parity league.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I hope I’m wrong, but I think that if Brownwood found TE in an alley, TE would walk away the winner. Not being negative; just being realistic. 17 years of seeing Brownie lose these alley fights has jaded me.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 25, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

It's all good Brownie, I get pissed off at people up here all the time. I just like to poke fun when given the opportunity (which is quite a bit around here.) I expect to take it, too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 10:30 AM


And I'm normally the same way, but dude is carrying the same played out jokes over the course of 3 posts now. Asking him to comment on the relevant topic is like dealing with an infant.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I expect to take it, too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse


That's what she said.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 25, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Redskins 9, Lions 7

Then we can pretty much re-hash the past week's conversation verbatim: woe is us, the sky is falling, our team may be 2-1 but it feels like 0-3, we're never gonna beat a real team, Zorn must go, etc.

(And I say that as someone who threw in the towel on Jim Zorn as a head coach after the Rams game.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 25, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I watched that left DE for the Lions last week. Heyer better be ready, that guy is trying to make a name for himself (although I can't remember what his name is.)

Someone said Redkins -6.5 yesterday.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

He was working against Phil Loadholt. Loadholt is known for being inconsistent. How did this guy do against the Saints?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

red, I'm showing up regardless win or lose, but forced to pick, I'm going with:

V. the refs made (insert number) of calls that were wrong, and cost us the game

or

~. The weather played a huge factor...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

TE your 9:49 am comment about brownwood's post-victory reaction was some funny SJK.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 25, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Also, just because the title of the thread got this song caught in my head, I wanted to pay it forward:

You're motorin'
What's your price for flight?
In finding Mr. Right
You'll be all right tonight

Sing it with me, people... in your head... all day long...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 25, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

(And I say that as someone who threw in the towel on Jim Zorn as a head coach after the Rams game.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 25, 2009 10:35 AM


I threw in the towel on Zorn at his introductory presser...right on top of that "maroon and black" bullsh*t. If that wasn't a preview of things to come, I don't know what is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The only reason the score could be close is if Zorn decides to keep it on the ground after we go up by 10.

The passing game has been working, such as it is.

No way Detroit's rookie QB has anything resembling a good game against our D, which has already proven very solid against the run.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I threw in the towel on Zorn at his introductory presser...right on top of that "maroon and black" bullsh*t. If that wasn't a preview of things to come, I don't know what is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:41 AM

Now you're just baiting people.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 25, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm going with...

G. If that "core Redskin" Rock wouldn't have fumbled the opening kickoff...

Posted by: atkinsoncd | September 25, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Good point, brownie.

After Snyder made such a shabingus of that painfully long search process, it was hard to have any faith in the dude who seemed to accidentally slip into the job when the dust settled. It's been an uphill fight for Zorn ever since. He hasn't helped himself with that throwing-people-under-the-bus-while-never-seeming-to-take-any-blame-himself thing he does.

He certainly hasn't restored the glory of the red and yellow, I can tell you that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 25, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey Nate, I recall the were plenty of people posting stuff like:

You're not a real fan because you weren't satisfied with them just winning...

So what if they didn't score a touchdown, you don't score TDs every game...

You negative fans make me sick, they're 1-1, relax!

They're not the 1-15 team some are making them out to be...

And my personal favorite:

Zorn is a good head coach

For all the people that were wearing their "Woe is us" shirts with black shades, they were plenty of people who were wearing their peach colored "hunky dory" shirts with burgundy and gold tinted shades.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Now you're just baiting people.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 25, 2009 10:43 AM


Actually that comment is more baiting than anything I said.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

are those shirts up on cafe press?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"With so much of the sports punditocracy picking the Lions to beat the Redskins on Sunday,..."


I only listen to the pundits who discuss the best beer and barbeque.

After that, most pundits do nothing but issue gas.

I'll accept a loss to the Lions of the skins' offense scores, say 3 touchdowns over a 9-7 win...

...and I'm not passing gas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 25, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Is the passing game really working if it doesn't work when it counts? Why are ARE and Cooley able to catch the ball all over field but the team can't complete a pass to either of them in the redzone? It was no accident that Cooley's only TD catch last year came from ARE.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 25, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

TE your 9:49 am comment about brownwood's post-victory reaction was some funny SJK.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 25, 2009 10:38 AM

Thanks. Maybe I should post it again in case anyone missed it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 25, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Red, that's the beauty of this ridiculous, wonderful ongoing conversation: we ain't never gonna agree on nothin'

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 25, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.~ Ron Burgundy

It's so damn hot! Milk was a bad choice...~ Ron Burgundy

Knights of Columbus, that hurt!~ Ron Burgundy

By the beard of Zeus!~ Ron Burgundy

By the Hammer of Thor!~ Ron Burgundy

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

He certainly hasn't restored the glory of the red and yellow, I can tell you that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 25, 2009 10:46 AM

True...and I was willing to give the guy a chance until the Cincinnati loss last season. And after that "I called it work" comment about the HB toss, I just want the guy gone.

And keep bringing the truth, RedDMV.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, cL, maybe it's time to dust off the ol' "inspired by but not affiliated with" Redskins Insider store on cafepress...

Here's a kind of generic "hunky dory" shirt someone else is offering:
http://shop.cafepress.com/design/10438143

And here's a "Hunky Dory" shirt which is less Redskin-applicable but more awesome: http://www.atruk.com/item3875.htm

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 25, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Is the passing game really working if it doesn't work when it counts? Why are ARE and Cooley able to catch the ball all over field but the team can't complete a pass to either of them in the redzone? It was no accident that Cooley's only TD catch last year came from ARE.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 25, 2009 10:48 AM

The passing game doesn't work when it isn't used, and Zorn pertty much stops using it in the redzone.

And are you implying the QBs is to blame when Sellars and Thomas drop potential TD passes that hit them in the hands? Would they have caught those if ARE threw it instead?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Is the passing game really working if it doesn't work when it counts? Why are ARE and Cooley able to catch the ball all over field but the team can't complete a pass to either of them in the redzone? It was no accident that Cooley's only TD catch last year came from ARE.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 25, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

It's because in the red zone they can't work underneath the secondary there just isn't enough room. That's why we need the tall guys to work the sidelines in the red zone. We need to open up the middle of the field. Go watch the lowlights from the Rams game on NFL.com. Look how bottled up we are. Our entire offense is between the hashes. Moss draws no coverage towards the sidelines. We need to spread the defense out.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

6-3 redskins win.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 25, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

2-1 Redskins win....lions kick an extra point, without scoring a td....lowest scoring game in NFL history...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

6-3 redskins win.
Posted by: alex35332 |

7-3, field goal + 2 safeties. This is the week our defense outscores the offense!

Posted by: will_ga | September 25, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

brown, exact same thing I said about Zorn and his into.

The whole Maroon and Black was a sign of things to come indeed.

Oh, and the "core redskin" thing was beyond weak and worn the hell out.

There was this dude that was um, "axled" at the beginning of the year. You might remember him, played on the offensive line...

Yeah that dude.

Jon Jansen was considered a "core Redskin" and where did that get him?

The f'n door. Jansen a dude that was considered a warrior, a franchise RT for several years. When it became clear that injuries and age had caught up with him, MOST fans, myself included, couldn't wait for him to be benched or released.

Thing is in this day in the NFL there is no such thing as "core" nothing. Everything changes it seems by the week. With salaries, inpatient fans/front offices, the economy, and stuff of that nature causes that life-long player to become a thing of yesterday.

Literally.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

6-3 redskins win.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 25, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Yes, and we end the game with 408 total yards on offense and 07 in the red zone.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Funny enough Greg, I did a quick check and the Lions were involved in the lowest scoring game in NFL history.

In 1943 the Giants and Lions ended the game 0 to 0

Posted by: alex35332 | September 25, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"6-3 redskins win."

Three safeties?

Posted by: Tank2 | September 25, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

learnedhand

"Why are ARE and Cooley able to catch the ball all over field but the team can't complete a pass to either of them in the redzone?"

Well, how many passing plays were called where the ball went to a guy moving in the end zone?

Again: Zorn seems to call plays where a guy catches the ball, and then runs into the end zone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 25, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I hope to God I find T_E in an alley one day...on that day your handle becomes teeth_eliminated.

Posted by: brownwood26
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Or possibly your handle then becomes teethesmarks24.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 25, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Actually I was thinking the skins get all their points via 3 safeties.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 25, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Line at 9 pts. I'm taking the over. Any doomsdayers wish to bet against that.

Delivery pizza to the winner. Skins win by less than 9 pts (or lose), I'll have a pizza delivered to the location of choice. Skins win by more than 9, a pizza will be sent to me.

Any takers?

Posted by: psps23 | September 25, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

moe, the lack of attention regarding the weekend series in NY shows how much football is king...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Actually I was thinking the skins get all their points via 3 safeties.

Posted by: alex35332
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Well it's also possible that we score some points off INT or fumble returns.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 25, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Why are ARE and Cooley able to catch the ball all over field but the team can't complete a pass to either of them in the redzone?"

Because when Zorn gets to the 25yd line, he calls plays to get us to the 10yd line. And so on.

We have a 6'5" 230 pound qb with a strong arm, yet no pass plays are called INTO the endzone from inside the 30.

That sucks.

Posted by: divi3 | September 25, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

To get in the spirit of "fanhood" I wanna join in and predict a score:

'Skins: 16

Lions: 14

'Skins overcome a late TD on a bomb to Calvin Johnson, and fence-off a late drive.

They win by a slim margin, but hey, they scored a TD!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

2-1 Redskins win....lions kick an extra point, without scoring a td....lowest scoring game in NFL history...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 |


That would be as many points as our 3-0 loss to the Jets in '93...my first Redskins game I was ever at, of course.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 25, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Thing is in this day in the NFL there is no such thing as "core" nothing. Everything changes it seems by the week. With salaries, inpatient fans/front offices, the economy, and stuff of that nature causes that life-long player to become a thing of yesterday.

Literally.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 10:58 AM


Agreed Red, but don't misunderstand what I was saying...I know certain guys aren't gonna retire here. Even the great Art Monk went elsewhere and we all know he was a core Redskin. Jansen is done...and he's the only one that doesn't know it. So if a guy doesn't know when it's time to hang up the cleats, you've gotta make the decision for them from time to time.

All I said to Greg with regard to Rock is that his play hasn't fallen off and none of these undrafted rookies has beat him out of his spot yet. So until he's not the best option to play the role he plays, it's insane to cut him because you like Alridge's 40 time or Mason's local ties. Greg and others look at his rushing totals and think he's useless and that's completely wrong.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Well, how many passing plays were called where the ball went to a guy moving in the end zone?"

I seem to remember during Cooley's red zone glory days, he'd run a route to the goal line, turn around, and post up. Unless the defender fronted Cooley, it was impossible to defend. Teams knew we'd do it, yet it was hell to stop. Other teams run routes to the half yard line, post up, then simply fall backwards as they catch the ball. Again, hell to stop.

Sometimes, the ugly play is the best one. Especially in the red zone.

Posted by: psps23 | September 25, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"So until he's not the best option to play the role he plays, it's insane to cut him because you like Alridge's 40 time or Mason's local ties. Greg and others look at his rushing totals and think he's useless and that's completely wrong"

Let me know how that works when DT is taking all the kickoffs this weekend.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes, the ugly play is the best one.

Posted by: psps23
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I've said this at closing time, too often...

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 25, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I've said this at closing time, too often...

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 25, 2009 11:13 AM


LOL Chas!

Last call ain't just for alcohol...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Ugh. On the drive into work, took a listen to the Mike Wise show. Topic of convo...."Do you as Skins fans want them to LOSE on Sunday" to prove a point/force changes to be made/as an I told you so, etc. etc.

Seriously?! Yes, let's root for our beloved maroon and turquoise to lose. Brilliant strategy! Double ugh. Stupid media [he says, Plaxico-ing himself in the process].

Posted by: 4-12 | September 25, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

LMAO @ psps...


I might take that bet, if you don't wild out on the toppings and extras...

But what if the 'skins lose?

It's feasible, so I gotta ask.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Enough with these moronic surveys. Talk about dumbing down.

Posted by: TheCork | September 25, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm with psp. Skins win by double figures.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 25, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse


I'm swimming against the flow this weekend.

I see a big win for the redskins, fueled by defensive turnovers and an opened up offense. A pick six, a 50+ yard bomb are two good ways to overcome Red Zone troubles.

Posted by: TheCork | September 25, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Someone with better grasp of defense than me: If D Hall covers CJ & gets help from the safety, who would be most frequent help, Horton or Landry? Is Smoot seeing time at safety or just cb?

Posted by: will_ga | September 25, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The Skins have 1 TD so far, and yes that sucks. Know also that the Steelers and Pats have exactly 2 TDs so far.

In fact, the Super Bowl Champs have exactly one more point (27 total) than the Skins do this year... Big Ben is at 1 TD and 3 INTs.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Enough with these moronic surveys. Talk about dumbing down.

Posted by: TheCork | September 25, 2009 11:15 AM

It's not about dumbing down but about clicking up. 4425 clicks makes the Post about $3.25, enough to pay me for my next post up here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 25, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"...the lack of attention regarding the weekend series in NY shows how much football is king..."


Well, the j-e-t-s are ballin' as they've drafted a stud quarterback.

The jints crushed the cowpokes on national tv as Eli is showing that he is indeed the money.

Baseball is an October thing in New York.

If the Yanks win it all, the confetti in the Canyon of Heroes will be made up of shredded news accounts of both big blue and gang green--especially if Joe G beats Joe T.

Trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 25, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Enough with these moronic surveys. Talk about dumbing down.

Posted by: TheCork
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Yeah, this might as well be "Which team's cheerleaders will wear less and by how much Sunday in Detroit?"

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 25, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Moss was in the slot on a number of plays last game. His medium-long catch downfield for a 1st down was in the slot. They are moving him around the problem is inside the 20s.

Both Moss and JC have had monster games against the Lions. Nothing to worry about...yet.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 25, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

correction: Big Ben is at 2 TD and 3 INTs.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

In fact, the Super Bowl Champs have exactly one more point (27 total) than the Skins do this year... Big Ben is at 1 TD and 3 INTs.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 11:19 AM


Please don't compare the two...the Steelers played the Titans and Bears defenses. The Skins saw the Giants (perhaps better than those other two D's) and the Rams. The RAMS.

If the Skins score 9 against either of the teams the Steelers played, I'm sure the firestorm of this week never happens. But not getting into the end zone against a lousy D doesn't inspire confidence in playing another lousy D the following week.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Alright Red, I'm liking it.

How about we say one-topping max.

I can't give a bonus for a loss unless I'm getting a bonus for a larger-than advertised win. Make a proposal, and I'll listen.

Posted by: psps23 | September 25, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

4-12, F Mike & Mike.

You can come on RI and get your fix of that topic of convo.


bwood, my stance on the dude Rock is clear.

With that, I'm on the other side of the fence RE: Cartwright. But you're right when you say "his play hasn't fallen off".

It wasn't ever on. No need for 5 RBs, cut Rock and get the 'suspense" over with.

With them keeping Mason on the active roster, and them bringing back Aldridge, damn the handwriting, the pictures are on the wall with Cartwright, and perhaps Betts too.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Great question, not asked by me, from the chat:

Alexandria, Va.: It seems the fans want Zorn gone.

The media reports his job may be on the line this weekend and doesn't point out the insanity of it all.

Zorn is 9-9 as a head coach in the toughest division in the NFL.

He gets criticized by the fans and media for not putting up points -- something neither Gibbs or Saunders could do with JC under center as well. At least JC is showing improvement in other areas under Zorn.

Seriously, have we all turned into a nation of Snyders? Only in Washington would a coach's job be on the line right now.

And talk about a disaster. What happens when Snyder does fire Zorn? People forget he was the best Snyder could get last time around. Coaches have shown they'd rather coach in St. Louis and Detroit than in DC. Think about that.

And the blame can't all go on Snyder. Again, Zorn is 9-9 and the fans want him gone and the media doesn't seem to be against it either.


Makes some GREAT points....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins will put a whupping on the Lions.

Double teaming Moss does not say jack for how good Moss is at this juncture in his career.

All it says is that Teams know that if you double Moss you essentially shut down the deep passing game of the Redskins because they will not throw deep to anyone else and certainly not try to hit Moss anyway.

Even with the lack of effective passing strategy by the Redskins so far, I still expect this Team step up and beat the Lions handily.

How many times have we seen other Teams after just miss plays like the ones Thomas and Sellers had that they come back to those plays again.

The Redskins did not come back to those plays. A strategy that good coordinators use.

It also befuddles me to no end, why they are not sending Kelly or Thomas deep along with Moss. They would have to always have single coverage deep if other Teams are really doubling Moss.

A honest strategy like that would surely open up the passing game.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 25, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Red- Not Mike and Mike....The Mike Wise Show. The Washington Post's Mike Wise...local show...on 106.7


Posted by: 4-12 | September 25, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Talk about dumbing down.

Posted by: TheCork | September 25, 2009 11:15 AM

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JR represents a major drop off from JLC

I miss that man.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

We have a 6'5" 230 pound qb with a strong arm, yet no pass plays are called INTO the endzone from inside the 30.

That sucks.

Posted by: divi3 | September 25, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse
not true, the devin thomas drop was in the end zone and the "overthrow"to randle el was in the end zone. clinton also threw a pass to cooley in the end zone. but other than that you're absolutely right.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 25, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Major Drop Off = Splash in the Azz

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that has to be the most negative chat I've ever read. Seriously Reid, you couldn't have given that guy ONE thing to feel good about as a Skins fan?

How about the defense for starters?

You talk about the fans being negative, but you sound worse than most of the posters in here. Is it really such a burden on you to cover this team without all the doom and gloom? A lot of Skins fans would kill to have your job.

Posted by: McMetal | September 25, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1:

I agree with you about the coaching situation. Snyder's incredible impatience has turned DC into the last place a coach would want to end up. We're only going to strengthen that perception if Zorn gets fired for going .500

It could be ugly for a long time if we can't attract a good coach. Maybe we'll get really lucky and Zorn will show improvement. That NFL films video was somewhat encouraging. I'm still holding out hope, because I think Zorn is our best chance for this and next year - and that's because like you said no good coach will come here. So might as well stick with the system we've got.

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Doom and Gloom = Most Over Used Phrase Ever

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Skins win


Skins 0
Lions -7

The skins dont actually score any points but the lions are penalized by having points taken away from them for Matt Millen, Joey Harrington, Mike Williams, and Charles Rogers. (Charles Rogers actually get them 4 points taken away because he just recently got arrested again for DUI)

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

bean, you didn't know?

Those Alexandrian Virginians are a smart bunch. All of them.

psps, you're on. I'll take the bet as detailed in your previous post.

Someone would have that guilt of wanting to see the team we root for actually take an 'L' to some extent.

I got the 'skins by two, fyi...

I'll be on here Sunday, SO YOU BETTER BE!

Oh and I'm assuming this will be for Monday delivery, Papa Johns, right?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Anthony Aldrige is our only hope.

We need a back fast enough to dart past the D Line before our O Line misses key blocks and fails to open up any navigable running lanes.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

4-12, my bad. Don't know where the hell I got Mike & Mike from.

But F them too.

Wise obviously reads RI.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Red, Deal. It's documented.

Skins win by more than 9, one topping pizza delivered to me.

Skins win my less than 9 (or lose), one topping pizza delivered to RedDMV.

A win by 9 is a push.

We'll do the Monday Papa John's deal. Feel free to load up on the free toppings, should the Redskins earn them.

Mmmmm, pizza.

Posted by: psps23 | September 25, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Enough with these moronic surveys. Talk about dumbing down.

Posted by: TheCork | September 25, 2009 11:15 AM

No way. Not even close:

I'm just being real.
It is what it is.
Danny boy.
Snyderatto.
You're an idiot.
It's gonna be a long year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 25, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Almost lunch, so "Dumpling down"

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

chia that's what I call dumbsense.

Something that sounds and reads dumb, but in some twisted way makes sense.

Don't know about him being the "only hope".

A lot of Skins fans would kill to have your job.

Posted by: McMetal


If they keep playing like they have for the last two games, they'll just kill or kill themselves.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

psp, I want a slice of that, have red put some scrapple on mine.....and ship it to me via the mail...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is 9-9 and the fans want him gone and the media doesn't seem to be against it either.


Makes some GREAT points....


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 11:25 AM


If you look at it that way, then yes. But what this fails to take into account is that Zorn started 6-2. If he was 8-8 just about any other way, that season is a success. But starting with the Steeler game last season, he's 3-7. The team has played worse as time's gone on, not better. And his erratic play calling hasn't helped his cause.

That said, firing a coach in-season is seldom the answer. The only time I've seen that work is in SF where Singletary is the absolute truth. But otherwise you just invite chaos where you don't need any.

I want Zorn gone, but not a minute before the clock hits 0:00 on the Chargers game.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The betting trends for both teams are pretty brutal.

SBG Global was offering the Detroit Lions at +6 1/2 for those of you looking to bet the home underdog.

Sports Interaction had the line listed at Washington -6 for Redskins backers.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I want Zorn gone at the bye-week IF he's less than .500 at that time. If so, it's obvious we can't get to the playoffs this year, I'd prefer to give next year's coach a head start.

But I really don't expect us to be less than .500 by then. And I really don't expect Zorn to get fired even if we are. Reason - who would agree to coach here.

Still rooting for Zorn to get better, and earn next year's job.

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.~ Ron Burgundy

It's so damn hot! Milk was a bad choice...~ Ron Burgundy

Knights of Columbus, that hurt!~ Ron Burgundy

By the beard of Zeus!~ Ron Burgundy

By the Hammer of Thor!~ Ron Burgundy


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 10:50 AM

"Great Odin's Raven!"

Posted by: ecale25 | September 25, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

psps, I wants my garlic dipping sauce!

Ideal toppings on a pizza: Sausage, Pepperoni, Extra Cheese, Bacon, and Green Peppers.

Now bring out the diet police...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

brown, whats singletary's record??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Younger, faster, stronger. The Redskins have been on this program since St Joe retired again. The philosophy changed with Zorn's hire and Vinny's elevation. This is just a fact. That is why even mentioning Kendall's name was silly. They are not going there, period. Same applies for other positions should the need arise. And for you rabble rousers, hold the Taylor talk. They KNOW they made a panic move AGAINST the philosophy after TWO starting Dlinemen went down the first day of camp. The review of that mistake reinforced the belief in the YFS mantra.

I think Rock will stick around until they need his roster spot, or until the end of the year, whichever comes first.

I think Rinehart gets the starting RG spot, and Montgomery is the lead back up at interior line the rest of this year. I think he gets a real shot at Rabach's or even Dockery's job next year.

"We thought they both performed really really well. We thought that having Montgomery available to come in in case somebody got nicked was the best move" I fully expect to see this quote soon today.

I hope Zorn learned from the Rams game to a) stick with the program(don't abandon the Redzone passing game), and b) hold players accountable for their failure to make plays(light up Sellers on the sideline "come on Mike you are a team Captain for gosh sakes. Catch the darn ball!". Or, just bench HIM vice the program. That was his biggest strategic blunder, IMO. The HB pass was merely tactical.

I hope they put it all together this weekend and play a complete game. Eliminate the mental mistakes and the pop warner blunders. If they do, they win comfortably. If not, they may even still eek out a win. Its also quite conceivable they lose the game by a trouncing. Its completely on them whether they win or lose.

I'll be very interested to see how they actually respond and play. Damn, they are so close to putting it all together, but they are at Yogi's fork in the road. They need to take it.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 25, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Doom and Gloom = Most Over Used Phrase Ever

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

No way. Not even close:

I'm just being real.
It is what it is.
Danny boy.
Snyderatto.
You're an idiot.
It's gonna be a long year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 25, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Zorn and JC have the capabilities to make this offense successful.

The biggest obstacle as I see it is the play calling strategy of Zorn. Just because Teams double Moss does not mean you can't throw deep.

Sellers by all accounts is a beast at fullback but his only contribution in the running game is blocking. He should get 5-10 runs per game.

Portis should not always come out on third/passing downs. If you are passing, he still can be a huge threat that defenses would have to account for.

You would have to assume that the Redskins have all these things in there repertoire, but for some reasons with Zorn as the play caller the appropriate offensive success is not happening.

Maybe Zorn might have to relinquish the play calling duties. It might just save his job or he might figure it out himself.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 25, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

C'mon BG...I'd trade Corny Zorny for Singletary before you could say "crazy eyes".....

That said...this week we hang 27 on likes while giving up 10.

AH pick 6

book it

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Uncle Jonathan's corncob pipe!

Vegetables on pizza = Power rankings.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 25, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"Snyder's incredible impatience has turned DC into the last place a coach would want to end up."


Another argument for keeping Zorn around for the full term of his contract.

Let Zorn fully install his way of doing things.

Let him keep 'coaching up' Campbell.

Let him go into the draft next year and secure a fast back and sturdy offensive linemen.

And above all, let him do whatever it takes to fix the broken redskins' offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 25, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

nevermind... they're out already... you know, bean, scrapple on a pizza might not taste bad at all.

I think I'll try it one day.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"SWEET odin's raven"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 25, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

err I mean "on lions"

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

We'll do the Monday Papa John's deal. Feel free to load up on the free toppings, should the Redskins earn them.

Mmmmm, pizza.

Posted by: psps23 | September 25, 2009 11:41 AM


You do realize you'll have to exchange home addresses, right?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Appear Beatable
by Tim Twentyman / The Detroit News

Allen Park- The NFL didn't do the Lions any favors in the scheduling department this season -- especially in the first six weeks, with games against New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Minnesota and Chicago.

But if there's one game amongst those first six that looked favorable for Detroit to earn its first victory of 2009 -- and first since 2007 -- it's this week's at Ford Field against the Washington.

Redskins All-Pro defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth admits his team is in no position to look past the Lions.

"I think the Lions are a lot better than the Rams," he said.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I like your style Red. I'd take the exact same pizza, minus green peppers. And lots and lots of garlic dipping sauce.

Posted by: psps23 | September 25, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Monday Papa John's deal"

As in Papa John Phillips 10 year sexual affair with your daughter deal. Gross! No thanks...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Singletary?

I WANT WINNERS!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Doom and Gloom = Most Over Used Phrase Ever

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

No way. Not even close:

Last time I checked...
If you don't like my posts, don't read them...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 25, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Vegetables on pizza = Power rankings.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 25, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Vegetables on pizza = redundant. Pizza is a vegetable.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Not one to make predictions, but this game has "loss" written all over it, for the Washington Redskins.

but here's to hoping for a win.

HTTR and HTTB

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

brown, whats singletary's record??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 11:50 AM

7-4. He pulled together a record over .500 last year when Mike Nolan couldn't even get that team out of the tunnel right. You can't possibly have something bad to say about Singetary...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

NFLN is playing the hell out of this Zorn/Campbell mic'd up segment...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Zorn might have to relinquish the play calling duties. It might just save his job or he might figure it out himself.


Zorn LIVES to call plays. He would rather relinquish the HC role than the play calling role.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 25, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Not one to make predictions, but this game has "loss" written all over it, for the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: Chia_Pet
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Unless like me, you think our Defense is better than the Vikings, and the Lions defense is no better than the Rams, and Our offense did WELL not counting the red zone, and statistically speaking we wont be held in the red zone that often.

Personally I see a lot more 3 and outs for the Lions than we were able to force against the Rams, and I see our offense getting a lot more chances.

17-14 Skins.

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

cl, that's some of the craziest sjk I have ever heard. I couldn't even listen to her talk about it. She was excusing his behavior and said it became consensual.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 25, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

larryinclinton

"Sellers by all accounts is a beast at fullback but his only contribution in the running game is blocking."


Scheme time.

Sellars with Portis creates an immediate key as he leads blocks for him too often.

All a linebacker or strong safety has to do is read Sellars to know what the play is for Portis.

Zorn should play action to Portis with Sellars in the game, and then check down from the receiver over top to Sellars underneath: this makes a safety or linebacker think too much.

Plus, Betts and Mason follow lead blocking better than CP: that's when Sellars should be blocking.

Let Sellers block for a bigger back or s speedy one: that's a better use for Sellars.

My work is done.

This offense is healed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 25, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Plus, karmic justice says Jon Jansen walks away smiling from this one.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"cl, that's some of the craziest sjk I have ever heard. I couldn't even listen to her talk about it. She was excusing his behavior and said it became consensual.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Yeah both my wife and i thought something was strange about her on Oprah...I mean in addition to dating your dad for 10 years....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I watched that left DE for the Lions last week. Heyer better be ready, that guy is trying to make a name for himself (although I can't remember what his name is.)

Someone said Redkins -6.5 yesterday.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

He was working against Phil Loadholt. Loadholt is known for being inconsistent. How did this guy do against the Saints?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 10:36 AM

That's a good question that I don't know the answer too. I watched the Detroit game because I knew we were playing them this week and hoped they would beat the Viqueens. For some reason I just can't stand that team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Plus, karmic justice says Jon Jansen walks away smiling from this one.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:08 PM |

How is that karmic justice? Dude has been robbin' us for at least 3 years now. Karmic justice would be that he never sees the field again. And cries a lot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"AH pick 6"

He had one in practice yesterday. He did the stanky leg afterwards.

Can't make that stuff up.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 25, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I think Rinehart gets the starting RG spot, and Montgomery is the lead back up at interior line the rest of this year. I think he gets a real shot at Rabach's or even Dockery's job next year.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 25, 2009 11:52 AM

I was thinking it's a matter of time before Montgomery takes over for Rabach. Don't see Dockery being threatened.

Posted by: skinfanman | September 25, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

brown, you do realize that sometimes offices order pizza?

I can give the address to a business, have the pizza dude meet me there, bounce, and grub on my Papa Juan's pizza at the crib.

cL, you do know I meant Papa John's Pizza, I hope. Aren't you an original DMV'er?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Unless like me, you think our Defense is better than the Vikings, and the Lions defense is no better than the Rams, and Our offense did WELL not counting the red zone, and statistically speaking we wont be held in the red zone that often.

Personally I see a lot more 3 and outs for the Lions than we were able to force against the Rams, and I see our offense getting a lot more chances.

17-14 Skins.

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 12:07 PM |

Except that the Viqueens rank 5th in pass defense and 4th overall and we're nowhere near that. Yes, they played the Lions, but we played the Rams. Let's not forget that the Giants aren't scoring in the redzone either so that excuse won't work either.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Playing the Lions this season is proving to be beneficial to individuals as well as teams, so far. Five opposing players won offensive and defensive player of the week honors after victories against Detroit.

Week 8, 2008:
Santana Moss, PR/WR, Redskins / 140 receiving yards, 80-yard punt return TD, 2 total TDs.

Week 1, 2009:
Drew Brees, QB, Saints / 358 yards, 6 TDs

Week 2, 2009:
Chad Greenway, LB, Vikings / 2 INTs, 4 tackles for loss, fumble recove

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | September 25, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Plus, karmic justice says Jon Jansen walks away smiling from this one.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

How is that karmic justice? Dude has been robbin' us for at least 3 years now. Karmic justice would be that he never sees the field again. And cries a lot.

Posted by: scampbell1975


Here is an example when two posters talk in ridiculous hyperbole and sound silly. But luckily the cosmic dumbness of the posts negate each other and the universe moves on...

Its not "bad karma" to cut older players. Its also weird for a fan of team to wish ill will on a dude who was a warrior for your team for a long time.

Write...reread....breath...delete.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

MK is poised for a breakout performance.

He seems ripe for a big day.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell picked the Lions to win by more than 20???

Posted by: Rush21 | September 25, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Good call, Red. I forgot you said you guys said Monday and not Sunday.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 25, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Its not "bad karma" to cut older players. Its also weird for a fan of team to wish ill will on a dude who was a warrior for your team for a long time.

Write...reread....breath...delete.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:20 PM

I wasn't wishing ill will on him. I liked Jansen, all I said was that would be justice. I don't wish ill will on anybody. I hope he becomes president of the frickin' universe but that wouldn't be karmic justice. Don't put words in my mouth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

cL,

I was speaking from Jansen's perspective,

Dude feels slighted by the Redskins, and a victory with the team that took him in against the team that cast him off, would represent karmic retribution for HIM.

Get it?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell picked the Lions to win by more than 20???

Posted by: Rush21 | September 25, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse


It can be done. I don't see the lions scoring 20 points, but I do see the Reskins offense finding a way to score in the negatives.

Lions 13
Redskins -7

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 25, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

And for you claim that I want it to happen I'll make it clear: I DO NOT want the Redskins to lose to Detroit. Sad that I have to include that shi**y disclaimer, but I might get accused of being a terrorist or communist.

I'm just curious to see how many people would be a no-show on the blog Monday, or how many would say either of the following:

1)The streak isn't when they're playing in Detroit, it's at home.

2)Detroit has lost 19 straight, they were hungry for a win.

3)It's Zorn's fault because...

4)It's Campbell's fault because...

5)It's Portis' fault because...

6)It's the defense's fault because...

7)It's not like this team was going to contend for a super bowl anyway.

8)Relax, folks. They're 1-2

9)Give Zorn and Campbell more time to gel.

10)Okay, they lost to the Lions, so? The NFL is a parity league.

---------

You want them to lose.

You're a terrorist.

..and a communist.

Seriously, I don't think anyone here wants them to lose. I DO think many of us have become convinced that our team is worse than it is.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 25, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Except that the Viqueens rank 5th in pass defense and 4th overall and we're nowhere near that. Yes, they played the Lions, but we played the Rams. Let's not forget that the Giants aren't scoring in the redzone either so that excuse won't work either.

Posted by: scampbell1975
=========================

Wow, talk about stat fail. They're ranked 4th overall and 5th in pass defense after playing the Browns and the Lions. HOLY CRAP I'M SHAKIN IN MY BOOTS.

Seriously though, 2 trash games worth of stats is what you're going off of. Our D is better.

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

cL is misunderstandin' all over the place.

Perhaps he needs Oprah to explain the posts to him?

Jeeesh!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

just busting yer chops chia and scamp...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

cL,
I was speaking from Jansen's perspective,
Dude feels slighted by the Redskins, and a victory with the team that took him in against the team that cast him off, would represent karmic retribution for HIM.
Get it?
Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:23 PM

As long as he doesn’t act all Antonio Pierce-ish he’s okay in my book.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 25, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"cL, you do know I meant Papa John's Pizza, I hope. Aren't you an original DMV'er?"

Of course just making a topical gross joke on word play...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

just busting yer chops chia and scamp...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:25 PM

Chop bustment acknowledged.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking it's a matter of time before Montgomery takes over for Rabach. Don't see Dockery being threatened.

Posted by: skinfanman | September 25, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I can't disagree here...was just thinking that if Edwin Williams keeps coming on, he could also challenge Rabach next year in camp assuming Montgomery does not take over this year. That would leave Dockery's job challengeable by Montgomery.

At the end of the day, I think Montgomery gets the C job. We need high grade beef to replenish the freezer next spring.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 25, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Aldrige is our only hope.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Seriously? Take a good look at what you've just written.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 25, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about stat fail. They're ranked 4th overall and 5th in pass defense after playing the Browns and the Lions. HOLY CRAP I'M SHAKIN IN MY BOOTS.

Seriously though, 2 trash games worth of stats is what you're going off of. Our D is better.

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 12:25 PM |

To finish this off, I, too, believe our defense is better than their's, but we had a trash game too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I know... it's sad.

I said a silly thing, again.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I think I used way too many commas in that last post.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about stat fail. They're ranked 4th overall and 5th in pass defense after playing the Browns and the Lions. HOLY CRAP I'M SHAKIN IN MY BOOTS.

Seriously though, 2 trash games worth of stats is what you're going off of. Our D is better.

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

That's a really bad fail. I guess they never heard of sample size. The bigger fail is the reasoining that we only scored 9 on the Rams and the Lions defense is better so we'll score less. The Giants were better than the Rams and we scored 17. So how many points do we score? Maybe, just maybe, it's not that easy of a quesiton and requires a complex analysis.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Aldrige is our only hope.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Chia Pet is carrie fischer talking in hologram form from projection from R2D2.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Going to be a breakout game on Sunday.

Im telling you, Skins score 45...

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I know... it's sad.

I said a silly thing, again.

Posted by: Chia_Pet


That's okay. I think during the Spurrier years I might have said "Trung Canidate is our only hope" once.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 25, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

It's Shaunsherman12!

Please spank me for being a horrible fan again?

Please?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Going back a couple of posts.....

Is JReid seriously criticiizing another MEdia outlet?!?!?!!!

SERIOUSLY!!??!!??

NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!!!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

brown, had to get you for that...

but in doing that, later I falied to realize cL's crack about "Papa John".

That karma is a "snitch".

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

That's a really bad fail. I guess they never heard of sample size. The bigger fail is the reasoining that we only scored 9 on the Rams and the Lions defense is better so we'll score less. The Giants were better than the Rams and we scored 17. So how many points do we score? Maybe, just maybe, it's not that easy of a quesiton and requires a complex analysis.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 12:30 PM

Rankings typically fail with such a small sample size. 2 games is far too few to judge. I jsut added that to play devil's advocate, to stir the pot so to speak. I think we have a breakout this week. I think our offense will continue to improve against what I feel to be inferior teams and I hope that creates some rhythm when we get to the meat of the schedule.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

...I DO think many of us have become convinced that our team is worse than it is.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 25, 2009 12:25 PM

BINGO! Many are nervous because they can't see the offensive improvement on the scoreboard yet. It will happen though, soon.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Asking him to comment on the relevant topic is like dealing with an infant.

Posted by: brownwood26

Oh come on, dealing with infants is a critical survival skill here.

Posted by: TheCork | September 25, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

You probably wont believe me but I was at a barbeque this past weekend here in Cheyenne and no SJK, Steve Spurrier's cousin was there.

On behalf of Patrick Ramsey, I had to "give her the business"


Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Series: Redskins 27-10 (3-0 postseason)

• Last meeting: Washington 25-17, (Oct. 26, 2008, at Ford Field)
• Lions largest winning margin: 24 (Oct. 17, 1934)
• Redskins largest winning margin: 45 (Sept. 1, 1991)
• Most rushing yards vs. Redskins: 159, Billy Sims (Nov. 8, 1981)
• Most passing yards vs. Redskins: 327, Scott Mitchell (Oct. 22, 1995)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"• Redskins largest winning margin: 45 (Sept. 1, 1991)"

This was opening week, Monday night (maybe sunday night..) amazing game. You knew after the first quarter they had something special. Best redskins season of all time.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Doom and Gloom = Most Over Used Phrase Ever

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse
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No way. The most over used phrase ever title is a tie between "a physical specimen" and "he's the real deal".

Also, with an honorable mention is "not addressing an aging and injury prone offensive line."

Whichever team has figured out how to keep their offensive line from aging must be super smart. That's a certifiable miracle

Posted by: -swb | September 25, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Dating to the end of the 2007 season, Lions kicker Jason Hanson, at 96.8%, has been the most consistent and accurate kicker in the NFL:



Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Rhino gets the start, just heard Zorn.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 25, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

...I DO think many of us have become convinced that our team is worse than it is.

Posted by: shaunsherman12


The world is two-fold and doubled edged, FYI... I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"• Redskins largest winning margin: 45 (Sept. 1, 1991)"
This was opening week, Monday night (maybe sunday night..) amazing game. You knew after the first quarter they had something special. Best redskins season of all time.
Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:39 PM

Just converted that game from VHS to dvd a few weeks ago. That was a serious pummeling. Then they beat them 41-10 in the NFC Champ game, with Barry Sanders playing (he sat out of the 1st game). That team definitely had it all…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 25, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Portis is listed as questionable for Sunday....sorry if someone has already posted this.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 25, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Whichever team has figured out how to keep their offensive line from aging must be super smart. That's a certifiable miracle

Posted by: -swb


Nope, no miracles needed.

Scouting, drafting, and coaching up a few offensive linemen every now and then would suffice.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"Chad (Rinehart) is the starter and he won't look behind his back," Redskins coach Jim Zorn said. "The decision was made based on his preseason performance and his work in practice."

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

psps, I wants my garlic dipping sauce!

Ideal toppings on a pizza: Sausage, Pepperoni, Extra Cheese, Bacon, and Green Peppers.

Now bring out the diet police...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Where's the cholesterol? How about some meat balls on top?

Posted by: frediefritz | September 25, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Portis is listed as questionable for Sunday....sorry if someone has already posted this.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 25, 2009 12:47 PM |

This could be a blessing in disguise, as Zorn might open up the offense a little more if CP sits. JC is been playing well, and Betts needs to finally earn his money. Also, I'd like to see Mason in short yardage and goal line situations.

Posted by: TWISI | September 25, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Rhino gets the start, just heard Zorn.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 25, 2009 12:42 PM


Biggest NON-Shocker this week. We need Montgomery to back up C/LG.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Great Video 4th.

Thanks for the link.

Reminds me why I love the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Biggest NON-Shocker this week. We need Montgomery to back up C/LG.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 12:51 PM |

Montgomery could have still been the backup center. Not too hard to move him over if needed and plug in Rhino where he was.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Doom and Gloom = Most Over Used Phrase Ever

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Nope, I am going with that is straight tard or the new version, that is straight tart.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 25, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Rhino gets the start, just heard Zorn.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 25, 2009 12:42 PM

Time for him to step up. I think it is a good move.

Posted by: jm220 | September 25, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Always interesting to hear the players talk.

Now as cL said, "Let da playas play."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 25, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

This could be a blessing in disguise, as Zorn might open up the offense a little more if CP sits. JC is been playing well, and Betts needs to finally earn his money. Also, I'd like to see Mason in short yardage and goal line situations.

Na this opens the door for aldridge to get some "change of pace" carries. Portis will play this weekend, he always does well VS Detroit..though everyoen seems to do well agaisnt Detroit, hopefully the Skins FO has been watching teh Titans Lions Turkey day game film from alst year on how to run vs them.

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

" Nope, I am going with that is straight tard or the new version, that is straight tart.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

No that's one of the best used line(s) actually.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Also what about JC's health, he is dinged up as well.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

You don't need no tape to understand how to run against the Lions.

You just run the ball. That's it.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

You don't need no tape to understand how to run against the Lions.

You just run the ball. That's it.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse


No one has done it better than the Titans did that day though, wouldnt hurt to study up.

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Scariest stats:

1. In his one-plus season in Washington, Zorn’s team has yet to score 30 points in a game.
2 Zorn's largest margin of victory is 7 points.

Encouraging facts:

1. JC17 named NFC Offensive Player of the Week after Lions game in 2007 (Sanata Moss didn't play).
2. Tana named NFC Special Teams Player of the Week after Lions game in 2008.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

No need to run; just throw the ball - from the 7, the 27, the 47, the opponents 7 - just throw the gaddum ball.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 25, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree with ben. We should take a bunch of shots down feild this week. Let them build up some confidence.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Zorn keeps the Detroit defense reeling, with passes on first down , deep balls on 3nd and short, etc...Campbell racks 300+, defense has 5 turnovers, Hall and Rogers return Ints and a fumble for TDs..37-10, Skins..

Posted by: frak | September 25, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

No need to run; just throw the ball - from the 7, the 27, the 47, the opponents 7 - just throw the gaddum ball.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 25, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What about the 8 or 16 or 50, or the oponents 32?

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the link 4th.. Yes that was interesting.. Interesting that the coaches have told the players that everyone is against them. And the "media wants them to fail" (around the 3 min mark). That shows a real problem with this organization's leadership (or lack thereof).
And why I think Henson's tweet about "dim wits" and "mcdonald's employees" was not met with total dissatisfaction from Redskins Park. In fact, I would say he was congratulated by more than a few players and maybe some FO guys, for making those statements. I would bet he has cult hero status at Redskins Park, now.

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Did anyone watch this video? It's pretty good....

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-oline-confidential/09000d5d812e1a16/Offensive-Line-Confidential-Redskins

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 12:41 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 25, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

jReid, u didnt follow the team in '06 so u take jLaC's word that the D was bad. Hogwash! Portis was hurt that year. When your only offensive weapon is hurt it makes your D look bad.

That is what bugs me so bad about sports analysis. This stuff is all connected. If a D can't make a stop in the 4th it doesn't always mean the D is bad. One must take into consideration what happened in the first 3 quarters.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

check out the coverage

http://www.csnwashington.com

Posted by: nattylite88 | September 25, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Zorn keeps the Detroit defense reeling, with passes on first down , deep balls on 3nd and short, etc...Campbell racks 300+, defense has 5 turnovers, Hall and Rogers return Ints and a fumble for TDs..37-10, Skins..

Nevermind the absurdity of all these things happening in one game, but did you just say that Carlos Rogers gets a pick LOL? I havent seen him hold onto the ball ever.

I sure am wishing for that to happen though!!

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Ditto on ben and cheyenne. Portis is dinged up anyway, this is a great time to work on the downfield threats.

I want to see passes downfield to the wideouts. In any sport, you put the ball in the hands of your playmakers. MK, Thomas, and Marko have been accused of being playmakers. Let's see.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

It's Shaunsherman12!

Please spank me for being a horrible fan again?

Please?

---------

Uh, I'll leave out the spanking part.

You're a horrible fan.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 25, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

With our defense as stout as it is, we would only have to score 14 points or so to secure the win.

That would go a long way to start trying to build an identity

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Ditto on ben and cheyenne. Portis is dinged up anyway, this is a great time to work on the downfield threats.

I want to see passes downfield to the wideouts. In any sport, you put the ball in the hands of your playmakers. MK, Thomas, and Marko have been accused of being playmakers. Let's see.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse
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They have moved the ball reasonably well so far, with some mistakes at the worst moments.

If they play aggressively on O, they shouldn't have any issues moving the ball again.

It really just comes down to getting TD's instead of FG's. They do that, this game won't be very close, because I seriously doubt Matt Stafford is going to put up a lot of points.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 25, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

For all of you calling for downfield passing and LOTS of airing it out, remember that we haven't protected JC long enough for any of these plays to resolve, and the only way to do that is to establish the run.

Just saying

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins lose on Sunday, is there any chance the unemployment rate in Michigan goes up by one (Zorn)?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with thinking we can suddenly become a passing team. I think that's the only way we can lose.

Underestimating an NFL team and playing to their weakness are bad ideas. We should play OUR game.

Run and play D. If the pass game is open well hit it, don't force it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Should Aldridge get alot of touches with Portis nicked up? Would be good to see what he has to offer.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"We should play OUR game."

That is the passing game.

Posted by: psps23 | September 25, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"You can't possibly have something bad to say about Singetary.."

Brown, I asked his record thats all, nothing else....do me a favor, and turn your jackazz meter down to about 5.....thanks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

For all of you calling for downfield passing and LOTS of airing it out, remember that we haven't protected JC long enough for any of these plays to resolve, and the only way to do that is to establish the run.

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:17 PM

Shotgun and no huddle. If Aldridge has the jets to make a diffence, put the ball in his hands too.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

jReid, u didnt follow the team in '06 so u take jLaC's word that the D was bad. Hogwash! Portis was hurt that year. When your only offensive weapon is hurt it makes your D look bad.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 1:10 PM

A variation of "The Most Over Used Phrase Ever"....the 'Blame Jasno for the Redskins decade of below mediocre results.'

Posted by: 4-12 | September 25, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Biggest NON-Shocker this week. We need Montgomery to back up C/LG.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 12:51 PM |

Montgomery could have still been the backup center. Not too hard to move him over if needed and plug in Rhino where he was.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 12:53 PM

But what if Montgomery got injured while playing? Then Rabach in the same game?

That's the reason he won't start...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Did you just quote yourself 4th floor?
I mean we get your point you made the first time, no need to repost it dude.

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Yo why is people on the blog reporting about Rhino starting and we get nothing from the Ried?

Posted by: jm220 | September 25, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

For all of you calling for downfield passing and LOTS of airing it out, remember that we haven't protected JC long enough for any of these plays to resolve, and the only way to do that is to establish the run.

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:17 PM

Shotgun and no huddle. If Aldridge has the jets to make a diffence, put the ball in his hands too.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse
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I don't the protection has been bad at all. Campbell has seen some pressure, but outside of the best O lines, every QB does.

I am thinking this team has become a pass first team. We may have traditionally been a run first team, but times change. The personnel we have is better suited for passing the ball.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 25, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I think no huddle is a great idea. Gives the team a chance to see what kind of leadership and smarts JC17 has. I think if JC17 called up a couple of plays onhis own, we would see that he could be the right guy here

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the link 4th.. Yes that was interesting.. Interesting that the coaches have told the players that everyone is against them. And the "media wants them to fail" (around the 3 min mark). That shows a real problem with this organization's leadership (or lack thereof).
And why I think Henson's tweet about "dim wits" and "mcdonald's employees" was not met with total dissatisfaction from Redskins Park. In fact, I would say he was congratulated by more than a few players and maybe some FO guys, for making those statements. I would bet he has cult hero status at Redskins Park, now.

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Did anyone watch this video? It's pretty good....

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-oline-confidential/09000d5d812e1a16/Offensive-Line-Confidential-Redskins

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 12:41 PM


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 25, 2009 1:10 PM

SNaGM - I actually agree with Sameuls that the Media is against the Redskins. Whether it be local or national. But it's because the REdskins have been pumped up so much in this town throughout the decades.

He didn't say nothing towards the fans. And, furthermore, there is nothing wrong with HEnson thinking what he tweeted....Just as long as he keeps it to hinself and does not tweet it...

We are all human...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I just read this on CBSSports.com,

"RB Clinton Portis sat out practice Friday because of sore ankles. "He has bone spurs that irritate both his ankles," Redskins coach Jim Zorn said. Portis will reportedly be listed as questionable for Week 3 at Detroit."

You'd think that would be news....

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 25, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have the stats that show how many times JC17 has been sacked, pressured, and knocked down. For all the talk about how bad the O-Line was going to be, is it showing?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"RB Clinton Portis sat out practice Friday because of sore ankles. "He has bone spurs that irritate both his ankles," Redskins coach Jim Zorn said. Portis will reportedly be listed as questionable for Week 3 at Detroit."

You'd think that would be news....


Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 25, 2009 1:28 PM |

I've heard it like 5 times on 980, not sure where the Mayor is maybe he's still eating lunch.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 25, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

JReid is probably still doing interviews.

Sit Portis this weekend. Start Aldrgidge and have a heavy dose of Betts as well in short yardage.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Did you just quote yourself 4th floor?
I mean we get your point you made the first time, no need to repost it dude.

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:25 PM

Reading is fundamental as well too....I didn't repost....I responded....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have the stats that show how many times JC17 has been sacked, pressured, and knocked down. For all the talk about how bad the O-Line was going to be, is it showing?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:30 PM |

He's been sacked 3 times but the fumble he had when the guy slapped the ball out of his hand is considered a sack.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 25, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that not only did Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis sit out practice on Friday, but that there is a very slim chance of him playing against the Detroit Lions this coming Sunday. PFT has also learned that in an attempt to placate 'brownwood' the Redskins are going to start Rock Cartwright, a 'core Redskin' in Portis's spot"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I am thinking this team has become a pass first team. We may have traditionally been a run first team, but times change. The personnel we have is better suited for passing the ball.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 25, 2009 1:26 PM

Completely agree. This team doesn't have a bruising Riggo, Rogers, or Riggs who can get your 4 yards a pop. Portis keeps a 4 yard average, but he does it by breaking a 30 yarder here and there and getting 2 yards a pop the rest of the way. And his durability seems like it might be an issue these days.

JC17 protects the ball well, so I would like to see the training wheels come off. He's got new receiving threats. They won't get better unless they're tested and allowed to make mistakes, as well as big plays.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

JC is the 15th rated passer in yards, 12th in QB ratings.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 25, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins lose on Sunday, is there any chance the unemployment rate in Michigan goes up by one (Zorn)?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:18 PM
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good point cheyenne.. Is he gone, if he does lose to the Lions?
Zorn did inherit a playoff team from 2007. Not many new HC's get the opportunity to take a playoff team to last place the next year (2008) and keep their job. Then lose to the worst team in the NFL, the Lions the following year, and continue to keep their job.
If Zorn loses to the Lions and Snyder does nothing.. Then it confirms Zorn is just a shill for Snyder who couldnt attract any qualified Head Coaches to work for him after Gibbs resigned.
If Snyder can attract a qualified Head Coach to step in, if he fires Zorn... Hopefully he will do it before the trading deadline (mid Oct) so that new HC can fix the OLine and other problems on the Offense.
But, then there is the other issue.. An available HC will want to bring in his assistants, which will be difficult in the midcourse of an ongoing season.
I would guess, as long as FedEx is sold out, Snyder will wait out 2009 and the expiration of Zorn's contract. Then he has the richest NFL franchise in an uncapped 2010 with all draft picks intact. Plus, with a poor record Skins get a top 5 pick in the upcoming Draft to dangle in front of Shannahan, Gruden, Holmgren, Billick..et al.... Snyder will love that.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 25, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with thinking we can suddenly become a passing team. I think that's the only way we can lose.

Underestimating an NFL team and playing to their weakness are bad ideas. We should play OUR game.

Run and play D. If the pass game is open well hit it, don't force it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

good point cheyenne.. Is he gone, if he does lose to the Lions?
Zorn did inherit a playoff team from 2007. Not many new HC's get the opportunity to take a playoff team to last place the next year (2008) and keep their job. Then lose to the worst team in the NFL, the Lions the following year, and continue to keep their job.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 25, 2009 1:37 PM |

Yea, took a playoff team at 9-7 to a non p-layoff team at 8-8. That sure is a huge drop off.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Liked the O-line dinner video, 4th..Damn shame about Randy's triceps blowout..Better than a knee, though..Hope he comes back healthy (-er), but if not, I look forward to eating ribs at one of his BBQ outlets..

Posted by: frak | September 25, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

pab, disagree, they need to pass the ball to get 8-9 guys out of the box...did you watch the 2nd half of the season last year?

firing zorn if they lose this game, is just dumb....dumb...dumb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how some of the same people calling Snyder impatient, are the same ones that think Zorn should be fired if we lose this week.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 25, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Zorn did inherit a playoff team from 2007. Not many new HC's get the opportunity to take a playoff team to last place the next year (2008) and keep their job. Then lose to the worst team in the NFL, the Lions the following year, and continue to keep their job.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 25, 2009 1:37 PM

Very deceptive statement. Zorn took a 9-7 playoff team, and went to last place by going 8-8.

This team has had 5 coaches in the last 10 years, and that kind of instability produces mediocre teams. Please, show me a winning team with that many changes at the top.

Unless Zorn has a complete meltdown, he deserves finish the season. And if he gets the team to the playoffs, all the talk about firing him should cease.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I've heard it like 5 times on 980, not sure where the Mayor is maybe he's still eating lunch.

Posted by: Flounder21


LOL....

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Dont misundertand me

I absolutely DO NOT think that Zorn should be fired. But knowing the reputation of Snyder, I was asking if anyone thought that was a possibility.

Zorn is still fairly new at this and I think he should be given a chance, with a full compliment of talent to make it happen.

As far as amaking a change at HC...I am wondering if a big named head coach would be able to get the juice to convince the owner that a GM would be more beneficial that Cerrato.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

You can look at it like he took a playoff team to last place OR you can look at it like he took an over-achieving (won last 5) 10-6 team to a realistic 8-8.

They are probably just resting CP, we all know what he does every week.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Bone spurs?? yikes...Rocky 5 had bone spurs...It's age and wear and tear..Skins did well to re-sign Alridge, but Skins gonna need a back in the not-too-distant (2010draft) to replace one of our best players..

Posted by: frak | September 25, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Did you just quote yourself 4th floor?
I mean we get your point you made the first time, no need to repost it dude.

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:25 PM

Reading is fundamental as well too....I didn't repost....I responded....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

To respond the way you did you also REPOSTED your original post, but hey that is just a technicalilty

Posted by: skinball77 | September 25, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with thinking we can suddenly become a passing team. I think that's the only way we can lose.

Underestimating an NFL team and playing to their weakness are bad ideas. We should play OUR game.

Run and play D. If the pass game is open well hit it, don't force it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 1:38 PM

We didn't suddenly become a passing team, we've evolved into one. How many 100 yard games has Portis had in the last dozen or so games? He's having trouble getting to 80 yards lately.

This team is better at passing the ball, so we SHOULD play OUR game.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Portis listed as questionable, according to 106.7 The Fan

Posted by: pgugino | September 25, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with thinking we can suddenly become a passing team. I think that's the only way we can lose.

Underestimating an NFL team and playing to their weakness are bad ideas. We should play OUR game.

Run and play D. If the pass game is open well hit it, don't force it.

Posted by: pabrian2003

At this point, we're a much better passing team than running team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 25, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time we got a #1 RB from the draft, or from anywhere besides the Bronco's for that matter.

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

the maagement has really improved on player continuity, unity, and cohesion since Gibbs came back.

Gibbs left and they re-signed almost every player. I thought they would blow it up.

Lets just play Redskin football and beat the Lions. Don't change our strategy and don't force it to Alridge of anyone else.

For the first week this season just let the QB make the throws

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

We should play OUR game.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 1:38 PM

OUR game so far has been Suisham kicks it through the goalposts. I'd really like to see a different game this week actually.

Posted by: will_ga | September 25, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

At this point we are a "not very good at anything" offensive team. Nothing should be off the table. We are finding our identity in real time.

Trust playas to play I say.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

if you care to, read the Sally Jenkins piece today...nicely written, informative as well.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Lets just play Redskin football"

Anyone wanna take a stab at what the h-e-double hockey sticks this even means anymore"

I liked the way yahoo sports summed it up on offense: "Boring & Annoying"

The point is we need to reinvent what redskins football is under Zorn. Open it up, lets play loose...lets get a grip on what we can do!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

if you care to, read the Sally Jenkins piece today...nicely written, informative as well.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Where?

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I said this last week, say it again this week.

1) I want to see Campbell throwing 40 times. He knows how to avoid turnovers, so I'm comfortable with this. Vs the Rams, we had a 2:1 ratio of passes to runs, until we got inside the 10. We had 5 very good drives out of 7 possessions with this mix.

2) I want our top group out there most of the time. That is ARE, Cooley, Moss and Kelly.

3) I want this offense to run plenty of shotgun. Why? Because its our strongest formation.

4) When we are in shotgun, I want to see Mike Sellers as the RB about half the time. Sellers is big enough to be more than a chip blocker and there aren't too many "trick" plays coming out of the shotgun anyway.

5) Don't abandon the pass inside the 10. If anything, use it more. We don't run well to the right and so everyone knows its going left. If the Rams can stuff us there, most people will.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 25, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I've heard it like 5 times on 980, not sure where the Mayor is maybe he's still eating lunch.

Posted by: Flounder21


LOL....

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 1:46 PM

Only RedDMV's Bama MoFoo A$$ would 'LOL' that SJK!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

if you care to, read the Sally Jenkins piece today...nicely written, informative as well.......
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 1:55 P

I'm stunned. It was a good article from her. Loved the Lombardi quote from Sonny

Posted by: will_ga | September 25, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

we may ne a better passing team so far, but our game plan is a balanced attack. The foundation is Portis' 20 touches. If we change this we're taking an unnecessary risk.

If CP IS hurt then you do why you gotta do, but I imagine he's just resting. He is one of the tougher guys of this era.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

cl, agreed.....spread em out, and lets roll no huddle, shot, all game long.

rex, check the sports page...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins" football has no identity anymore and hasnt for the better part of ten years. We have no identity other that a Candian kicker that misses just as many as he makes.

The FO has done a better job at continuity, but they still have a ways to go. For every Jason Taylor, there is a Chris Horton.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does Sally Jenkins look like she got hit in the mouth with a hot bag of nickels?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Bone spurs?? yikes...Rocky 5 had bone spurs...It's age and wear and tear..Skins did well to re-sign Alridge, but Skins gonna need a back in the not-too-distant (2010draft) to replace one of our best players..

Posted by: frak | September 25, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Next year I hope we get that tackle out of Iowa Bulaga or Okung in the first round then Royster/Dwyer/Best in the second.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does Sally Jenkins look like she got hit in the mouth with a hot bag of nickels?

Posted by: scampbell1975

Wow

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

would there be a difference in the mark if the nickels were room temp? what if they were only slightly warm?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

redskins football is ( very cliché yes ) grinding NFC East, hard nosed, run between the tackles, control the clock, take your FGs, take some well timed shots downfield.

The point is when teams start trying to do something fancy or something outside of their normal scheme of rarely works. If one was to re-watch the last 2 games they would see that when we tried do get fancy or go downfield it didnt work. What worked was keeping it simple. Portis, cooley, etc.

This isn't "rocket surgery"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

would there be a difference in the mark if the nickels were room temp? what if they were only slightly warm?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 2:10 PM |

They leave burn scars when sufficiently heated.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Clinton Portis' tender ankles have him listed as questionable for Sunday's game at Detroit, but coach Jim Zorn says the Pro Bowl running back will play.

"I'm listing Clinton as questionable because we sat him out [for part of practice] again today," Zorn said. "His ankles have been sore. We've got many [other backs] to choose from, but I expect Clinton be out there ripping around."

Portis declined comment.

Zorn said Portis has been suffering from bone spurs in both ankles, but that was news to the media that cover the Redskins.

"It's been happening, not all preseason, but he's got a couple little spurs that are irritating. [There's] no swelling. It's just hard for him. He needs to rest 'em."

That will only happen in practice unless the ankles get much worse, but they could explain why Marcus Mason got a series last week and why the Redskins filled the roster spot of injured guard Randy Thomas with a fifth running back, the swift Anthony Alridge.

Would starting Betts, and having Portis take the 3rd down role make sense??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Upon further review, Sally Jenkins does indeed appear to have been hit in the mouth by a hot bag of nickels...

scampbell1975 will not be charged with a timeout...

FIRST DOWN!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hadn't heard about papa john phillips yet, just had to look it up:

"Edwards said that midday Tuesday, however, things started 'to look up' as details came out about "Papa" John Phillips, who is currently living in a vast lake of flaming feces while snakes gnaw on his testicles for all eternity."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/john-edwards-thanks-papa_b_295688.html

Posted by: RomoShortball | September 25, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If we take anything but linemen in the 1st 2 rounds next year, Im going to set Radio City Music Hall on fire.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 25, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Too true, cL. WTF "Redskins Football" is, I haven't the slightest idea.

bama mofo deez, 4th.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

redskins football is ( very cliché yes ) grinding NFC East, hard nosed, run between the tackles, control the clock, take your FGs, take some well timed shots downfield.

The point is when teams start trying to do something fancy or something outside of their normal scheme of rarely works. If one was to re-watch the last 2 games they would see that when we tried do get fancy or go downfield it didnt work. What worked was keeping it simple. Portis, cooley, etc.

This isn't "rocket surgery"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 25, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Redskins football hasn't put any points on the board since 2005. I think it's safe to say that trying something new isn't going to hurt us. Portis may not play this weekend and our offensive line hasn't been moving well in the run game. Keep in mind that Detroit did just sign 2 big DTs in gravy jackson and that rookie sammy willie something or other. We are better off spreading them out instead of trying to run right into gravy jackson.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Dont misundertand me

I absolutely DO NOT think that Zorn should be fired. But knowing the reputation of Snyder, I was asking if anyone thought that was a possibility.

Zorn is still fairly new at this and I think he should be given a chance, with a full compliment of talent to make it happen.

As far as amaking a change at HC...I am wondering if a big named head coach would be able to get the juice to convince the owner that a GM would be more beneficial that Cerrato.

Posted by: CheyenneWY

Zorn should definately be fired if he loses this game. Please stop the "Redskins don't have talent" garbage too because they have the same or more than any team in the division. This dude was suppose to be an offensive protege' and he's taken this offense, which added talent, and made it worst with his VERY poor playcalling. He has been a disaster as a HC and playcaller and got a pass from most of the media because he's a good quote. Who comes in to a press conference and doesn't know the colors of the team that just hired you. Have we forgotten that Zorn took over a team that went to the playoffs? I would be all for him getting a chance if he's shown improvement and he hasn't.

Posted by: dcwun | September 25, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Upon further review, Sally Jenkins does indeed appear to have been hit in the mouth by a hot bag of nickels...

scampbell1975 will not be charged with a timeout...

FIRST DOWN!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:16 PM

The way she's always bashing away at the Skins it must have been Snyderatto that hit her.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"Portis declined comment."

uh oh

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Something worked on offense between the 20s, and it looked to me like it was passing to ARE and Cooley in the slot.

Redskins football is now a short passing game in the middle of the field, with shots to the outside when available. If Sellers and Thomas eliminate the drops last week, it becomes clearly evident that this is now a passing team.

I'd be equally happy to be proven wrong, and see our runner pick up 100 yards and a TD or two. But that's not the trend.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"redskins football is ( very cliché yes ) grinding NFC East, hard nosed, run between the tackles, control the clock, take your FGs, take some well timed shots downfield."

Wow Pabrian2003 must have a time machine where he is living in 2003....

Pulheeeze. By the very definition of hiring zorn and the draft choices they have made this is wrong. Also its out of sync with the modern NFL game.

Tenn, Dallas, Dolphins ran the ball all day in their games last week. Where'd that get'em..."L"s thats where...

Your not even right in context of the last time the Redskins won the SB. Posse, Rypien, 3 wide, diverse RB....

C'mon don the thinking cap occasionally...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Would starting Betts, and having Portis take the 3rd down role make sense??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 2:16 PM

No because he needs 20+ carries to get ut cranking.......

Reast him for the 1st half of the season and grind him out for the 2nd half......

(Though then the MEdia will hate on Portis even though he's taking one for the team)

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

dcwun

all very fair points...how long do you think a brand new HC (that has never even been a coordinator) should have to make progress?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton Portis' tender ankles have him listed as questionable for Sunday's game at Detroit, but coach Jim Zorn says the Pro Bowl running back will play."

Sit Portis.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 25, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

This league has become pass to lead, run to win. I stole that quote from someone but it's true.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Why haven't we heard from RI that CP might not play Sunday and that Chad Rinehart was named the starter over Will Montgomery?

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 25, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

dcwun = Dan Snyder?

This is the kind of thinking that nets you 5 head coaches in less than a decade. None of the top tier teams have that kind of turnover at the top.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If we take anything but linemen in the 1st 2 rounds next year, Im going to set Radio City Music Hall on fire.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 25, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'd take a top RB in the second. We can get a top tackle in the first. Let's say we get the guy from Iowa or the guy from Oklahoma. We can put him in at right tackle until Samuels hangs it up. We can pick up a top RB in the second. In the 4th we should be able to get a decent guard. There seems to be a lot of guards next year or we could just move one of our mediocre tackles inside and pick up a center.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

moe, I'm thinking that same thing...sit portis, start rock.....boom, first 400 yard rushing day in NFL history...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

hello...

lh, cl, yeah that was the craziest shti i've ever heard in my life...jerry springers never had that shti. oprah would've done us all a favor and not aired that shti.

4th, what post? link please.

i'll take shaun hill and singleterry over zorny and jc. poor shaun's arm makes danny woeful's arm look like marino's. but he wins.

Posted by: dealer1 | September 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

FRIDAY AFTERNOON TIDBITS

FORD FIELD, MICHIGAN – With more than 10,000 seats left to sell and facing the prospect of thousands of additional empty seats from season ticketholder no-shows for this weekend’s game against the Washington Redskins, the home-standing Detroit Lions have announced a special promotion package for this weekend only.

With the “Maroon and Black” ticket package, the Lions will offer half-price entry to the game and a free beer to any disgruntled Redskin fan who shows up at Ford Field wearing maroon and black. The name is an apparent reference to Washington Head Coach Jim Zorn, who is said to be clueless, colorblind and unable to score – particularly when his team enters the red zone.

Many Washington fans have taken to wearing maroon and black in protest against the continued ineptitude of Zorn’s coaching, the blunderment of the Redskins offensive team, and the overall ineptitude of the Redskin organization.

Said one Lions official, “While they may not cheer for the Lions, we’re pretty sure they’ll still curse and boo the Redskins. Either way, it’s all the same to us – and might even give us back some home field advantage.”

In a related development, Ford Field officials said they’ll be working overtime to make sure the air conditioning system at Ford Field is working at peak capacity during Sunday’s game.

Stadium officials are reportedly concerned that by scheduling a afternoon game in a domed stadium between two hapless teams – the Redskins (8-8 last season and fading fast in 2009), and Lions (non-winners since 2007) – the NFL could be held liable for “stinking up the joint” with a toxic and potentially fatal stench coming from both sides of the field.

Posted by: Vic1 | September 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Classic Crock?

"redskins football is ( very cliché yes ) grinding NFC East, hard nosed, run between the tackles, control the clock, take your FGs, take some well timed shots downfield."

The NFC East is a passing division: a point that's passed everybody but some Redskins' fans.

In fact, the NFC North is a colder division (Packers, Vikes, Lions, Bears) and there's been more passing there than anywhere.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 25, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Alan4...
Nothing deceptive about my statement.. They missed the wild card and playoffs in 2008 and went on a backwards slide from 6-2 to 2-6.. What is deceptive, referencing "8-8", is your posting not pointing out that a playoff team regressed that year.. Not "progressed" under new Head Coach Zorn. Some could say that Zorn's 6-2 beginning was residual coaching and discipline left over from Gibbs the previous year.... It took Zorny 8 games in 2008 to
A. uncoach them..Or,
B. for the players to realize he was not the final say regarding personnel.. ie. Vinny and Snyder. Or,
C. that he was in over his head and they lost respect for him.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

skinsneedagm wrote..

Zorn did inherit a playoff team from 2007. Not many new HC's get the opportunity to take a playoff team to last place the next year (2008) and keep their job. Then lose to the worst team in the NFL, the Lions the following year, and continue to keep their job.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 25, 2009 1:37 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Alan4 wrote:

Very deceptive statement. Zorn took a 9-7 playoff team, and went to last place by going 8-8.

This team has had 5 coaches in the last 10 years, and that kind of instability produces mediocre teams. Please, show me a winning team with that many changes at the top.

Unless Zorn has a complete meltdown, he deserves finish the season. And if he gets the team to the playoffs, all the talk about firing him should cease.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 1:43 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 25, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

It seems like everyone is down on the Skins. We are 1 - 1...same as the freaking Patriots.

I honestly dont "care" if they win ( Iknow it sounds terrible) I just want them to put a good 60 minutes of football together and stop playing down to the level of their opponent.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Why haven't we heard from RI that CP might not play Sunday and that Chad Rinehart was named the starter over Will Montgomery?

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 25, 2009 2:24 PM |

Part of the appeal of this blog is that we do the real news breaking. That's why you keeping hitting refresh. It's like the worlds biggest Redskins search engine in blog form.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does Sally Jenkins look like she got hit in the mouth with a hot bag of nickels?

Posted by: scampbell1975

LMAO!

Wonder how much bone spurs in the ankles would take off your highest gear? And how long they have been there? Aldridge and now this, coincedence? Betts continues his return to form this week with a TRUE change of pace back like that and psp get his pizza. Still hinges on Betts, though.

Posted by: RomoShortball | September 25, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

On Zorn, he took over a good team, with good talent. He hasn't made it better. As for being new to the HC ranks, yes. But several other coaches came in new and id excellent jobs. See ATL, SF among others. And lets not forget that Zorn had 30 years of experience coming into the job. Several of those years as part of Holmgren's staff, and Holmgren is among the best coaches in football.

Zorn doesn't get much of a pass for being new to the job. He isn't the biggest problem with this team -- the front office is -- but Zorn is part of the problem.

And fwiw, I like a lot of what Zorn brings ... saying he doesn't belong as HC isn't fun for me to write.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 25, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I see RedDMV and ChRiSS LarrY are still in their respective 'tart' moods. Get Y'alls head out y'all's A$$E$ and wake up.....

Cl - The '91 SB Skins had the 3 WR AND 3 RBS. They did break records in both Running (Timmy Smith) and Passing (DWilliams) in the SB. Stop hatin on the run. The run was here before the pass and it will be here after the pass. (I do agree with scampbell1975 take, though).

And RedDMV - You are lucky I am scarred of VA Police and VA Tech students. Otherwise, I'd cross that bridge and knock you down like a Rock 'Em Sock 'Em robot......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

danny looks at cp and adjusts his tie. and all of a sudden cp is down and out of the game for no reason. skins lose to the lowly lions. danny now has a reason to fire zorny. hire that dude whose name i can never rember and promote blache as the hc. skins go on to a 10-6 season and into the playoffs. skins lose in the second round...

Posted by: dealer1 | September 25, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Upon further review, Sally Jenkins does indeed appear to have been hit in the mouth by a hot bag of nickels...

YOU LIE!!!!

Posted by: will_ga | September 25, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/john-edwards-thanks-papa_b_295688.html

Is this true? What did Papa John do?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

4th, I think it has something to do with a 10 year relationship with his own daughter. Still don't have much in the way of details that don't involve clearly made up quotes, though. Anyone else know?

Posted by: RomoShortball | September 25, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

RexSkin is a retard.

1) Get off Santana Moss' jock. He's not even a real #1 and probably a #3 on most teams. You don't think Larry F, Randy Moss,AJ, CJ, Steve Smith, Greg Jennings, Marques Colston, etc. etc. etc. don't see double teams?!??! They, unlike Moss, are good enough to beat double coverage and they have QBs who don't crap their pants at the mere thought of throwing an interception.

2) Kelly can't beat single coverage? Retard says what? Hello, McFly? Single coverage EQUALs "I'm open throw me the friggin ball" in the NFL. Do you watch other games? Half of Brees' passes would hit a defender in the back of the head if his WR didn't snag it out of the air first. Campbell does not throw into single coverage. He only throws to WRs who are WIDE OPEN (at least 2 steps on the defender). BTW, no defense plays man to man the entire game. There are plenty of opps to throw the ball to a spot in zone coverage. Campbell doesn't understand this concept and never will.

3) No one outside of the DC Metro area thinks the Skins are any good... on paper, on the field, on the bus on the way to the game, in practice, during the off-season or just about any other time of the year. That's why just about every Football Analyst, Pundit, Fat beer drinking chicken wing eating Football fan picked the Skins to finish last in the NFC East.

Posted by: saqster | September 25, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

ohh btw...how bout them COCKS?!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | September 25, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Cl - The '91 SB Skins had the 3 WR AND 3 RBS. They did break records in both Running (Timmy Smith) and Passing (DWilliams) in the SB. Stop hatin on the run.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:31 PM

Friggin' accountants...can't even get their Super Bowl players correlated with the appropriate year...

Posted by: 4-12 | September 25, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

4th you need a Timeout b/c in your lust to get in a quick and cheap crack you just butchered your Skins history:

"Cl - The '91 SB Skins had the 3 WR AND 3 RBS. They did break records in both Running (Timmy Smith) and Passing (DWilliams) in the SB."

That's the 87 team your talking about there guy. Wow...just wow. Come correct son.

Also I wasn't "hating" simply pointing out that the road to wins for the 21st century Skins is a redefinition of what redskins football is....

but I can't expect someone I just crushed in FF to grasp that...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Upon further review, Sally Jenkins does indeed appear to have been hit in the mouth by a hot bag of nickels...

YOU LIE!!!!

Posted by: will_ga | September 25, 2009 2:32 PM

Uh oh, Sally Jenkins boyfriend showed up. (Girlfriend?)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

For those of you craving some actual Redkins news, all the info on Rinehart is up on Redskins.com as well as an updated injury report.

BMW is "a full go".

Posted by: McMetal | September 25, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Every now and then I wonder why I don't like going to games on a regular basis. Then I see stuff like this and say, "Oh yeah. That's why."

http://www.jokeroo.com/video/funny/drunk-nfl-fan-gone-wild.html

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 25, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Advocation throwing into double coverage...

PRICELESS!!! $100 says this guy is wearing a Tony Romo jersey right now.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

4th, JR's post where he criticized another media member

Posted by: dealer1 | September 25, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

For those of you craving some actual Redkins news, all the info on Rinehart is up on Redskins.com as well as an updated injury report.

BMW is "a full go".

Posted by: McMetal

Thanks Mc. I tell this blog has really gone down hill compared to when I first joined.

Posted by: jm220 | September 25, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Terl:

"The good news is that Chad Rinehart will be starting at right guard. Zorn walked to the podium and said "The Rhino!", thus preempting Washington Post reporter Jason Reid, who had been extremely excited to ask if it would be The Thrill (Will Montgomery) or The Rhino."

Nice.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 25, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM, so you're saying Zorn should be fired immediately based on his performance over 8 games last year, if he stands at 1-2 this year? Riiiiiight.

What kind of buffoon would Snyder look like after that tedius, lengthy, high profle coaching search, conducting all those interviews, and then firing his unorthodox choice of a coach for posting a 9-10 record? That just screams incompetence. Snyder needs to give Zorn a chance to succeed, if for no other reason than to prove he's not an idiot.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"4th, JR's post where he criticized another media member

Posted by: dealer1"

A few posts back he mused on the inherent silliness of sports call in radio. 4th conflated that into his grand illumiatiesq conspiracy theory that the media wants to drop an atom bomb on redskins park.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

For those of you craving some actual Redkins news, all the info on Rinehart is up on Redskins.com as well as an updated injury report.

BMW is "a full go".

Posted by: McMetal | September 25, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

We should go with Rhino and BMW and run right. Watch the bodies hit the floor!!!

I have no idea if Rhino can actually run block or not. On a more serious note, I'm doing a shot every time we run a play in the red zone with our tallest receiver on the bench.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 25, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

YOU LIE!!!!
Posted by: will_ga
Uh oh, Sally Jenkins boyfriend showed up. (Girlfriend?)
Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25,

After further review looks more like she was hit with a hot bag of poo with a brick in it.

Posted by: will_ga | September 25, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else think the WaPo has set the table to lambast Zorn et al next week for picking The Rhino over the Thrill??

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 25, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Skins.com had Rhinehart as the starter on the depth chart around 11:00 AM..It's the logical move (DAAAAAAAMN!! LOGIC!! whatta concept..)

I see Portis being used as a LenDale White -back from here on out..

Posted by: frak | September 25, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - Where did I mess up? I thought it was quicker to just write down the 1QB then 3 WR....Chalk that up to my laziness...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Campbell does not throw into single coverage. He only throws to WRs who are WIDE OPEN (at least 2 steps on the defender). BTW, no defense plays man to man the entire game. There are plenty of opps to throw the ball to a spot in zone coverage. Campbell doesn't understand this concept and never will.

Posted by: saqster

Then how is Campbell completing 70% of his passes? He's 12th in QB rating, even with a game vs the jints. Even with the dropped Tds.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 25, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh here is the CNN story on "Papa" John Phillips and his affair with his daughter...ICK!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/23/mackenzie.phillips.oprah/index.html

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I hope Sally Jenkins doesn't read these posts. You guys are harsh!

Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Does sitting Portis mean losing out in the ground game?

No.

Why?: Put Alridge/Thomas/Randle El/Moss/Rock in a Wildcat set and run toos-sweep plays to an overload formation to the wide side of the field.

You'll get yards that way.

Trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 25, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Again let me start by saying that I do not think Zorn should be fired...

But with the talent they have on the roster...should they not be able to produce more points. Isnt that an issue of coaching when they talk about the missed assignments, bad blocks, dropped balls, etc. I know it is on the players, but has Zorn instuilled that "fear" in the players that makes them not wanto to be the guy that misses a block, drops a ball, etc?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Take that back....

This what happens when mixing actual work with dealing with crazies like cL...

Apologizes..

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

figures, its Detroit week, and all of a sudden dealer is a posting fiend.....gee I wonder why.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 25, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Just read about two sentences of the Phillips story,

My soul just threw up a little

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

4th- I (and cL) read that as you saying Smith and Williams were on the '91 team, so we had to bust your [things]

Posted by: 4-12 | September 25, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Anybody else think the WaPo has set the table to lambast Zorn et al next week for picking The Rhino over the Thrill??"

No.

Rhinehart is a third round pick, he should have dibs over Monty.

You have to hope he gets his footing over two-three games.

Monty/Williams are our back up centers, btw.

Plus: If Rabach continues to underwhelm, should the WaPo lambast the FO for not sitting him?

Yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 25, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne likes his chicken spicy

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

saqster:

You're trying to put words in my mouth. Point for point:
1) I said he's OUR best receiver, and he IS double covered every game, and that's true.
2) Your contention is that single coverage or zone = automatic completion. Do you even watch football? Why doesn't every team play 5 split wide and 5-10 yard pass their way to the end-zone if it's so damn easy like you say.
3) I can't even respond to this, I didn't say anything that relates.

You've obviously got some anti-redskins venom in you, and it's messing up your brain.

Posted by: REXskins | September 25, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I just want a free topping on my Papa John's Pizza!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | September 25, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It is nice idea to try a wildcat formation, but you can not install that formation a week before a game, that should have done in pre season and perfected in pre season.

Posted by: connskins | September 25, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Your not even right in context of the last time the Redskins won the SB. Posse, Rypien, 3 wide, diverse RB....

C'mon don the thinking cap occasionally...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 2:20 PM

(Trying this again)

Cl - The '91 SB Skins had the 3 WR AND 3 RBS. It wasn't JUST the passing. The 3 RBs (Byner/Irvins/Riggs) got over 2,000 yards that year. And 21 TDs.

Eat it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

YOU LIE!!!!
Posted by: will_ga
Uh oh, Sally Jenkins boyfriend showed up. (Girlfriend?)
Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25,

After further review looks more like she was hit with a hot bag of poo with a brick in it.

Posted by: will_ga | September 25, 2009 2:44 PM |

Scorned lover? (I'm just kidding around by the way.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 25, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I want to be last before the new post?

Posted by: periculum | September 25, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"I just want a free topping on my Papa John's Pizza!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead

One McKenzie coming right up!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Mista, Let me clearly state that I agree that Rhino should be the guy. I also think he will most likely have a hiccup along the way, but that the right move is to stay with him.

My point was I would not be surprised at all if we get a chorus of The Thrill would have been better if Rhino makes one mistake.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 25, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Atomic bombs!!! The only place I want the sky to fall is where that stupid tv in the cowpies stadium is, preferalbly while they are warming up? (Jerry Jones too) That is something for everyone to cheer about, like Beers on the house, free pizza, dates with two cheerleaders (double cheers???)go skins

Posted by: Burrasta | September 25, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

greg, forget that! did you see my cocks last night?!

lol@cl...

just "read"/skimmed thru the first part of sally's article...who reads that garbage?! ugh!

Posted by: dealer1 | September 25, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 25, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

A few posts back he mused on the inherent silliness of sports call in radio. 4th conflated that into his grand illumiatiesq conspiracy theory that the media wants to drop an atom bomb on redskins park.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 2:41 PM

I wouldn't put it past the media. If it's a slow news day....Bombing Redskins Park with an A-Bomb would make plenty of news....In turn they can sale advertising space on the blog....Which would get like 2 million page views....

Ching Ching Ching!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 25, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"Cl - The '91 SB Skins had the 3 WR AND 3 RBS. It wasn't JUST the passing. The 3 RBs (Byner/Irvins/Riggs) got over 2,000 yards that year. And 21 TDs.

Eat it!

Posted by: 4thFloor

Eat what, my point wasn't that running the ball was bad, just that the cliche of smashmouth run first mentality did not even hold true in our last SB team....which was the greatest show on turf Rams offense 8 tears before the rams used it...

whateves you are just trying to pick fake fights anyway but you should know your stuff at least. The 1991 Skins absolutely were a pass driven team, with a dynamic back in Byner and a when need smash mouth in Riggs....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 25, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I hope Sally Jenkins doesn't read these posts. You guys are harsh!
Posted by: Alan4 | September 25, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure in real life Sally is a lovely person. However, in print she often comes across as a hypocritical, ignore the facts & focus on half truths and uninformed opinions kind of person. She also can write really decent articles as seen today. Its frustrating to see what she is capable of on one hand but what she so often does on the other.

Posted by: will_ga | September 25, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

the horn on the bus goes beep beep beep
beep beep beep all thru the town!

Posted by: dealer1 | September 25, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins = ol' Susan Boyle lookin' broad.

When she writes something without a negative bias slant (like her face), holla at me.

Speakin' of holla...

Ayo 4th, anytime you wanna cross them waters, homie, anytime. No need to fret over VA police, except Fairfax County, Arlington County, and Prince William County...

VA does have some bama police, I can't even lie.

BUT, they don't have s*** on PG police, and especially DC police.

If you, and especially you 4th, got hem'd up in VA it was because 1) You can't drive or 2) you were stopped for DWB.

No, not black (that's only in Fredrick and Montgomery County) but Driving While Bamafied

Say 4th, don't you hail from Montgomery County?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 25, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

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