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Will They or Won't They?

Time for you to look ahead to Dec. 29 ...

By Cindy Boren  |  November 30, 2008; 5:08 PM ET
 
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+++After losing to the Giants, will the Redskins make the playoffs?
Yes
No+++


I agree

Posted by: TheCork | November 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Can't see it happening with the way the Offense is running. And to top it all off, special teams (once a strength) is becoming a glaring weakness.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

BLOW THIS TEAM UP !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Nope, we look pretty sh!tty right now. We need some new trench diggers becuase ours are pretty shallow right now. Specifically offensive line. Looked like we got some decent pressure on Eli today but the O line looked pretty wretched for the 3rd straight week.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

No, because we had to win this game today or the Ravens game, and after this game it's clear we won't win the Ravens game cause we have no offense. And beating the Eagles won't be easy, and when we play San Fran and Cincy, we all know how the Redskins are, and they may lose one of those games... not looking so good..

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

So sick and tired of John Gruden and Tampa making the playoffs.

So sick and tired of Dallas going further than we do!

I grew up in the "hate Dallas" era of George Allen, and frankly Fed EX having many of opponents fans to me remains unconscionable!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:21 PM |

I see we have another d-bag idiot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 5:02 PM

And when the D does get a turnover, what does the O do with it? Throw it to Thrash!!

Posted by: Curzon417


Who was open? Certainly not any of the 2nd rounders.

I just saw Eddei Royal; tiptoe down the sideline for Denver TD. DeSeann Foster is a future Pro-bowler. Donnie Avery is more than solid.

Bennet is a superb second TE for Dallas. ALL second rounders.

Meanwhile, Kelly and Thomas can't get open and Davis can't get off the bench.

You can 't blame Campbell because he doesn't have any receivers open.

Five BIG receivers were brought in (Mix, McMullen, too). Not one is worth spit this year.

Punting sucks.

The Oline is falling apart.

9 of 10 draftees don't contribute.

NO UFAs contribute.

Taylor is Toast.

Secnd rounder gone next year.

This TEAM will never contend until the Front office problems is fixed.

It's as simple as that.

Posted by: TheCork | November 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

JC needs to step up just like a lot of other players on this team. But to throw all of it on him is not fair. The O line has suck in pass protection. Wide outs have drop way too many passes that hits them in the hands and that include Moss. They all need to step up but at the same time we all need to remember this is their first year in this O.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

If we don't fix their lines, they'll be a middle of the pack team for ever

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I agree with blowing this thing up. Maybe we can get Bill Cowher here and he can establish a tough defensive mindset. Nobody fears our defense, and I thought Landry was suppossed to be a hitter? The Redskins are known by other teams as soft!

The Ravens will do the same things Pittsburgh did and the Giants. Punch us in the mouth and have no fear of a counter punch. At least it won't be on our field.

Posted by: strom1 | November 30, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

And can they get Reinhart on the field for some snaps? Geez, this guy is never going to get any game experience being inactive every game. This game would of been a perfect opportunity to get him in the game in the 4th with the game already decided.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

This TEAM will never contend until the Front office problems is fixed.

Posted by: TheCork | November 30, 2008 5:24 PM

Cork, There you go again with that flip-flop thing. One week you tell us the front office is the solution, now this week it's the problem. Please make up your mind!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a MAJOR problem. Ineffective quarterback, ineffective leader. Bench him now, cut him later. Campbell is certainly not deserving of a big contract that he may believe he deserves. What he deserves is to be sitting on the bench.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

T_E, only thing keeping me medium is the tequila. Otherwise I would be calling for firing Zorn or starting Colt!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Riggo can do no wrong, i dont care what he says...

Fred Davis was a wasted pick, there just is not another way to cut that pie. Dallas and Jets didn't need a TE either and picked anyway and those players are playing huge for their teams.

The team is who we thought they were when we were all honest with ourselves in the deep dark night...

Its a mixed bag, Zorn needs a full off season and some moves/drafts that actually pan out...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 30, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

We HAVE to be the lowest scoring team in the NFL...i can't think of any other team...well maybe Cincy...

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a MAJOR problem. Ineffective quarterback, ineffective leader. Bench him now, cut him later. Campbell is certainly not deserving of a big contract that he may believe he deserves. What he deserves is to be sitting on the bench.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

10TD 4INT, 60% completion-How is that a major problem? Calling 5yd curls on 3rd and 8 is a problem. Who do you suggest they get to replace Campbell?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

9 of 10 draftees don't contribute.


Posted by: TheCork | November 30, 2008 5:24 PM

Cork, Devin Thomas scored the only TD, or was he the one you were talking about here?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I find myself grumbling and irritable when I think that the
a. 1-15 Dolphins of just one year ago are better than we are!

b. Giants continue to draft much better than we do.

c. our FO has not yet figured out how to use a Practice Squad or other team's Practice Squad.

We are NOT going to the playoffs, Vinny.
figure it out that you make some moves now, in preparation for next year.

It is your way of drafting someone for next year to address some gaping holes / needs.


Stop trying to play radio host, and start learning how to be a GM.
Good Grief.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 30, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Otherwise I would be calling for firing Zorn or starting Colt!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:31 PM

Lot of people up here calling for firing Zorn and benching Campbell. I've never seen any of them post before today. Why don't you treat them all to some tequila? Do you think they're all relatives of Colt Brennan and/or Bill Cowher?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I agree with you CL. I think they just need to play Davis. Hell Yoder is much slower if you ask me and they went to him a couple times in the 4th. Davis in the same time as Cooley may take some of the double teams off of Cooley. To me Zorn is going with these older players way too much. The Thrash, Yoder, and Jansen shouldn't be in the starting line up.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

10TD 4INT, 60% completion-How is that a major problem? Calling 5yd curls on 3rd and 8 is a problem. Who do you suggest they get to replace Campbell?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 5:33 PM

Has he lead this team anywhere? That was Collins you saw last year. When the game is on the line, the guy can't produce.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

We need some help on the O-line. Janson and Samuels just aren't getting it done like they used to.

Yoder seems pretty reliable catching dump off passes. Maybe we keep him on the end for pass protection and lat minute bail-outs.

Posted by: dannyboyumd | November 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

TE, you left out employees of the WaPo!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

First, second or third. Who gives a rat's booty but no, I don't think the Skins will make the playoffs after the loss today. This was a must win game in more than one context. A win would have left us sitting nice in the division and if we happen to lose to B-more next week without too many injuries, it still gives us time to gear up for dem Iggles. Problems: Our offense is dead in the water and on life support. Defense: Cannot stay on the field 35-40 minutes against power teams or any team really. I hope the 09 draft along with the shrewd choosing of several FA's, not just some old dude who has shot his load elsewhere and is looking to get paid by the Skins, will address several areas of need we are faced with. Time for Vinny and the scouting department to go out, beat the bushes and come up with some junk-yard dogs for both sides of the ball.

Posted by: renaw9 | November 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Has he lead this team anywhere? That was Collins you saw last year. When the game is on the line, the guy can't produce.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

How's he supposed to lead the team when the Oline can't block and WR's are dropping balls and not making plays? Collins was in Saunders offense forever, that's why they were successful last year. I personally would of liked to see Campbell in Saunders offense for one more year, but to say it's Campbell's fault is ludicrous.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't think benching Campbell or firing Zorn is the answer. I think blowing up the oline and putting anybody in but who we have in there now is the answer. The D shows they can play. Imagine what they could do with a lead and a rest between series. Campbell has been pretty good. He's played better than anyone we've had in there for quite sometime. He showed he can be very good if the line can keep him off his back. That hasn't happened a lot lately. Time to get Heyer, Rhinehardt, and Geisenger in there and see what happens. I'd rather get beat with future players than has beens (or never were's).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Has he lead this team anywhere? That was Collins you saw last year. When the game is on the line, the guy can't produce.

Posted by: Almazar80

The season is not over so you can't even answer you own question there. Maybe you jsut wait unti the end of the season.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Scamp!

New AP rankings out:

Georgia Tech #15
"University" of Georgia #18

(With apologies to ChRis LarRy -- these are NOT "power ratings" they are official AP Rankings. Way different.)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Time for Vinny and the scouting department to go out, beat the bushes and come up with some junk-yard dogs for both sides of the ball.

Posted by: renaw9

I don't live in SEC country, but there are no FB players in the bushes out here...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I know buddy. I watched the game and posted afterward. I've been gone for so long moving and starting a new job it's been hard for me to keep up with the blog much less contribute. Our mediocre to horrible play hasn't helped any but that UGA beating was a bright spot. I laughed a lot!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

JM, I trust Zorn when he shows no confidence in Fred Davis. He also has reservation over the WRS but they still play and get plays called for them.

Yoder is key for his blocking, you think Davis could that role? yeah me neither...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 30, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't live in SEC country, but there are no FB players in the bushes out here...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:43 PM |

Or between the hedges.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn or Campbell are the problem because this problem existed before either of them.

This problem is on the front office.

The front office needs to look in the mirror....

Posted by: WRBD | November 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Almazar80: Let's not forget, Collins SUCKED as a full-time starter in Buffalo (who drafted him) and then was never good enough to supplant Trent Green. So obviously, lets go with Collins. He didn't suck in Seattle in the playoffs or anything.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

come up with some junk-yard dogs for both sides of the ball.

Posted by: renaw9

I think that is the key. Where is our junk - yard dogs that going to bust someone in the mouth. No matter if we were up or losing by 20. I knew the Reaper was still going to bust someone in the mouth. I just didn't see that today and that what I am upset about.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE STOP THE FIRE ZORN FOOLISHNESS! The coach is doing the best he can with the parts on hand.

Posted by: renaw9 | November 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

The front office needs to look in the mirror....

Posted by: WRBD | November 30, 2008 5:44 PM

If it were that easy, I would take the mirror to Redskins Park myself!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The front office needs to look in the mirror....

Posted by: WRBD | November 30, 2008 5:44 PM

If it were that easy, I would take the mirror to Redskins Park myself!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:46 PM |

The front office has ordered that all mirrors at Redskins Park be smashed.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

At least I am not a Texas Longhorn fan.
I know my team / Skins is not getting ripped off, as we are simply getting our tails kicked.

Imagine UT fans, they are tied for first w/ OU and beat OU in Dallas on a neutral field.
..

Imagine Coaches in other parts of the country helping determine who will go to the Big 12 championship game...

The Big 12 Coaches or AD's should man up, have a conference call and make the decision for their conference themselves.
perhaps next year they will have changed their practice.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 30, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree that JC needs to step up but it's kind of hard to do that when the pocket is always collapsing and Jon Jansen is being hurled at you by *insert this week's opposing right defensive end here*

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 30, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM WITH THIS OFFENSE IS JOHN "I CAN'T BLOCK A RAIN DROP" JANSEN. CAMPBELL HAS NO TIME BECAUSE JANSEN CANT BLOCK ANYONE! HE DIDN'T TOUCH A GIANT ON THAT FOURTH DOWN TRY TUCK RAN RIGHT BY HIM. PUT HIM ON THE BENCH. PROBLEM NUMBER 2 IS MISSED CHANCES. WE HAD 5 OR 6 DROPPED BALLS TODAY MOST OF THEM ON THIRD DOWN. NUMBER 3 PENALTIES. NUMBER 4 PLAYCALLING. WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS! BUT NOW WE HAVE TO WIN OUT!

Posted by: bza48842002 | November 30, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I could be totally wrong with this statement CL. To me Zorn seems a lot like Coach Joe. He doesn't want rookies in unless he knows they have every play down 100%. He kept talking about Kelly and Thomas not knowing all the plays. Like I said I could be wrong and have no problem being wrong. But that is just my feelings on it.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

How's he supposed to lead the team when the Oline can't block and WR's are dropping balls and not making plays? Collins was in Saunders offense forever, that's why they were successful last year. I personally would of liked to see Campbell in Saunders offense for one more year, but to say it's Campbell's fault is ludicrous.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 5:39 PM


He wasn't doing anything with Sauders offense. He isn't doing a whole lot with Zorn's offense either. He did have some time to throw today. Alas, one touchdown throw a game (they've played twelve games, he has ten touchdown throws, so that's not even a touchdown throw a game) does not a good quarterback make.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to be sunny and happy here, but the Giants were left for Dead last year..... today was bad, but this team always finishes.... i still like our chances if we can get some Offensive Love. If we can get to 10-6,....

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me everyone, I've just watched my Terps and Skins crashing down the stretch...

I may need therapy;
no question my wife and kids will find me grumpy, moody, irritable.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 30, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

The season is not over so you can't even answer you own question there. Maybe you jsut wait unti the end of the season.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage

The Redskins probably won't win against Baltimore. May not even be able to beat Philadelphia. At that point, the season will be lost.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:50 PM

Are you kidding me? He will be setting the CFL on fire before he stoops to this job!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

9-7 at best. As a die hard fan I wish I could say different. Loss to Baltimore and I don't see us winning out after that. We always have trouble with Philly at home.

Posted by: WRBD | November 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Daggar,..... you've lost your mind if you think you want to Fire Zorn and bring in a Fossil..... The Raven's offense was horrible with him calling the plays...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Almazar80 I totally disagree with you. They will beat the Ravens next week.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Almazar80: Let's not forget, Collins SUCKED as a full-time starter in Buffalo (who drafted him) and then was never good enough to supplant Trent Green. So obviously, lets go with Collins. He didn't suck in Seattle in the playoffs or anything.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 30, 2008 5:44 PM

Did I say that we should play Collins? I only said that Campbell is not much of a starting quarterback. That's a problem that needs to be addressed sometime.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

One more thing Almazar80. When they win next week and make the playoff. Make sure you man up and show your face. Not just come when the team lose.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

9-7 at best. As a die hard fan I wish I could say different. Loss to Baltimore and I don't see us winning out after that. We always have trouble with Philly at home.

Posted by: WRBD | November 30, 2008 5:53 PM |

We seem to have trouble with everyone at home.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

shoddy play as demonstrated against the giants- would change until we hit the skins in the pocket book. fans have been too loyal spending their hard earned money to see pitiful play because they love their team. Tough love is the answer- empty fed-ex and turn off the tv

Posted by: jibber1 | November 30, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Before the Steelers game, I said the Skins would finish 9-7. You guys jeered. After the Cowboys game, I said 9-7. Heads nodded. Now? 9-7 looks optimistic.

This is not a playoff team. Even at home after the emotional Taylor tribute, this offense has no punch. Put up 20 points on the Skins and turn out the lights.

Why? Because the aging offensive line is out of gas and because Portis is broken. The Skins have no receivers to complement Moss. And Zorn's offense is built to methodically march down field -- not to play catchup.

The Skins need to do two things in the offseason to get better immediately: fire Vinny Cerrato and start drafting linemen (both sides of the ball) early and often. Simple, right?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Daggar,

We heard you first, second, third.... we don't need to hear your tired junk over and over again.

Jim Zorn is not the problem, Jason Campbell is not the problem. The problems with this team start up top and I think we all know that isn't about to change. Too bad it's too late to change my allegiance - I'm too old for that.

HTTR.

Posted by: abtassler | November 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

This team could very well implode the remainder of the year........ I don't see it happening, but if they lose next week,... we'll see how well this team plays for Zorn...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Until the Redskins learn how to throw the ball past the first down marker, the offense will never score. Portis can't do it by himself. Zorn needs to change his game plan or get rid of him. I was a big supporter but his play calling is terrible. You can't expect to throw a 5 yard pass and the receiver run 80 yards. As much as I hate the Giants, they consistently knew where our weakness was and Manning kept burning our defense. As for Campbell, if he can't learn how to throw the deep ball in front of his receiver instead of under throwing him every time, the Redskins will never score.

Also, why is Thrash on the field. He could not play WR for any other team in the league but the Redskins.

Posted by: cspwoods3 | November 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Tough love is the answer- empty fed-ex and turn off the tv

Posted by: jibber1 | November 30, 2008 5:57 PM

Do I have to turn off the TV? Can't I just change the channel?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping Dallas gets killed by Pittsburgh next week and I sure don't possess any confidence we can score more than 10 points against the Ravens next Sunday night in yet another national telecast that will bring embarrassment to the Skins.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Should we trade jason for a 2nd round pick. Its a couple of teams that need a QB.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

b. Giants continue to draft much better than we do.

Sheesh. Everybody in the East drafts better than we do. That the whole danm problem now!

Posted by: renaw9 | November 30, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Before the Steelers game, I said the Skins would finish 9-7. You guys jeered.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 30, 2008 5:58 PM

I have to take exception to this. I was snickering!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes, report abuse.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 30, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Shockingly, there are actually five teams that have scored fewer points than the Skins: the Rams, Bengals, Lions, Raiders, and Chiefs.

Yep, that's the company we're keeping.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Daggar,

We heard you first, second, third time you're right.

Jim Zorn is problem, Jason Campbell is no the problem. The problems with this team start up top and I think we all know that isn't about to change. Too bad it's too late to change my allegiance - I'm too old for that.

HTTR.

Posted by: abtassler | November 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

TROLL

Posted by: WRBD | November 30, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Lets give a little credit to LBM....... There were multiple times he threw into coverage and completed the pass... he was very accurate today...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

ATL is leading against Turner's Chargers. If ATL wins I think that the odds become tougher because the Falcons have a much easier schedule down the stretch. ATL has SD, NO, TB, MIN, and STL to play. Right now they are leading 15-13 against Norv Turner's Chargers. Given how unlucky or incompetent Norv Turner is I don't have much faith that the chargers can win. ATL could lose to TB, but I think they have a decent shot at winning games against NO, MIN, and STL. But if the final game against STL determines who gets in or not the Rams may want to play spoiler.

CAR does have NYG and TB to play, so there is hope that they could drop two more games. But by the time CAR plays the NYG the Giants may be resting their star players because they may have sewn up home field advantage. CAR's other games are against DEN and NO. I could see CAR losing to TB and NYG, but not anyone else. DEN might give them a run for their money. However, if DEN has the AFC west wrapped up by the time CAR plays them, they may rest their starters too.

DAL has PIT, NYG, BAL, and PHL left to play. They won't win all four and might even lose two of those four.

WAS can't afford to lose any more games. That's the bottom line. And I think that the only guaranteed wins are the CIN and SFO games. PHL is probably a win (although I only base this because PHL is in a more dysfunctional shape than WAS) and BAL could go either way.

WAS needs to win all four games and hope that CAR, DAL, and ATL lose more games.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Daggar,

We heard you first, second, third time you're right.

Jim Zorn is problem, Jason Campbell is the problem also. The problems with this team start up top and I think we all know that isn't about to change. Too bad it's too late to change my allegiance - I'm too old for that.

HTTR.

Posted by: abtassler | November 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for the comment.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The problem is we haven't mourned Sean Taylor enough. Maybe if we start cutting on our bodies and wailing Sean's name everyday, our mojo will come and we'll win the Super Bowl. Or maybe we need to start wearing T-shirts that say "Ask me about our dead Safety!"

I don't understand how Denver was able to move on after Darrent Williams. They should still be wallowing in self-pity and hawking jerseys and holding pre-game memorials. Are they that heartless??

Posted by: 70Chip | November 30, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

One more thing Almazar80. When they win next week and make the playoff. Make sure you man up and show your face. Not just come when the team lose.

JM220

They don't have the personnel to be truly competitive with the really good teams. Which Baltimore happens to be. Aside from the early successes, what good team has the Skins beaten? Pittsburgh? Dallas (the second game)? The Giants?

The Cowboys absolutely paste the Seahawks. The Skins can barely beat them. It is doubtful that the Skins can catch Carolina or Dallas. That's just the way I see it.

I said a few weeks ago that 8-8 seems the most plausible record. You may disagree with that assessment, but let's see how it goes.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

TROLL

Posted by: WRBD | November 30, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the comment.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

That was a team loss.
If only you could replace that one justaguy and make everything work better.
Right now, the offense has been 'figured out' by the league -- stop the run with a decent blitz, put some pressure on Campbell and make him beat you.
Campbell is the key at this point -- not that he's the problem, but he has to prove that putting the pressure on him is a losing proposition.
I'm still hopeful. I think the matchup today was particularly bad -- the D too dinged up, Portis needs a break. If Fletcher gets another week to get healthier, we should be in decent shape.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

People are overacting wayyyy to much. We just lost to the best team in football, we had chances 2 or 3 in this game to make it very close.

Shuisham's kick at the end of the half, Campbell threw the ball late to Randel El, it should have a TD, Kelly had a few drops which would have been first downs. Not to mention the ball didn't bounce our way on a few ints.

I have to think against a lesser team, like we will be facing in our next 4 games, that we will take advantage of these things during the game and win at least 3 of them if not all 4.

D Thomas and Kelly need more opportunties obviously, I wank Thomas to be our kick returner and punt returner, he's so good in the open field.

It was one game people, dont loose hope now!

I would have never drempt we would make the playoffs after loosing to Buffalo last year, and we did, so anything in possible. Especially if we beat the Eagles and 49ers, those are NFC wins, which we need!

Posted by: avbanig | November 30, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't live in SEC country, but there are no FB players in the bushes out here...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there is anything where you live. I was referring to scouting some of those small schools in the boon-docks and finding a diamond in the rough friend!!. It has happened you know, but, then again you wouldn't know since there is nothing out where you live. Peace out pad-nah.

Posted by: renaw9 | November 30, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I can't figure how Denver has been able to move on after the Death of Darrent Williams..they must really be insensitive jerks out there. Meanwhile, back here in DC we'll be unveiling our new ASK ME ABOUT OUR DEAD SAFETY T-shirts tomorrow...

Posted by: 70Chip | November 30, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

If you want to watch Zorn presser here is the link. Ried asks the first question about enough players for his offense. Zorn said yes.

http://redskins.com/gen/index.jsp

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

To me, it's pretty simple. Production at the qb position. The O-line did a pretty good job today against an excellent rush, but Campbell just held onto the ball too long. It's not clear whether it's his fault or the pass catchers unable to gain sufficient separation, but the fact remains that enough plays are not being made from that position

The difference between the first few games and the last few are clear. Pass pro; when Campbell has more time to throw, he makes things happen. Not to say that the top QB's wouldn't have made things happen with the Redskins' pass pro; I'm pretty sure they would have. But that's what makes them great QBs. Ability to make plays when things break down.

Campbell isn't there yet. All signs point to him being there eventually. Probably next year. But now, he needs time to make his reads and make plays consistently. Eli Manning took the leap in his 4th year; Campbell is still in his 3rd. But until he gets to that level, this team can only go as far as Campbell has time to make plays right now.

Hopefully, it'll all come together next year for Campbell and I think the Skins O will look much more precise and consistent than we've come to expect

Posted by: hailbg | November 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, it'll all come together next year for Campbell and I think the Skins O will look much more precise and consistent than we've come to expect

Posted by: hailbg | November 30, 2008 6:14 PM

It's good to be an optimist. Exactly what have you seen, however, that indicates that Campbell can learn to thrive under pressure and be a great quarterback?

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said it first about what really pissed him off was the 1st xtra point try when they bobbled the snap...... we had no one going hard on that play....

that changes momentum right away.

If anyone should lose their job it's Danny Smith...... The fact that he still thinks ARE is our punt returner.... We have very weak speacial teams........

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said QB can't make any mistake. I not sure I agree with that. Maybe that what is going on with JC. Playing not to make mistake instead of playing to win.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

The Redskns desperately need a spark down the stretch. At this point, you can't blow-up the O-line, you can't shake up the front office, and you can't (and shouldn't) fire the coach. That leaves benching Campbell for Collins. The offense can't get any worse with Collins and may get better based on last year's performance. To continue with Campbell and expect the situation to get better will probably leave us out of the playoffs.

Posted by: JohninNW | November 30, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Troll = power rankings = 70Chip

Posted by: AppleScience | November 30, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

This team could very well implode the remainder of the year........ I don't see it happening, but if they lose next week,... we'll see how well this team plays for Zorn...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Yup. Well said my friend. Then we'll see who's got dump-truck sized cajones and will fight to the end. The kind of guys you want on your side when you go to war in a dark alley.

Posted by: renaw9 | November 30, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Campbell does need to let go of the ball sooner...... he's "pumping" a lot on many plays... I wish I could get the EndZone view of this offense... it's hard to see what's happening down the field, but he's holding on tooo long again... just like in preseason..

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The Redskns desperately need a spark down the stretch. At this point, you can't blow-up the O-line, you can't shake up the front office, and you can't (and shouldn't) fire the coach. That leaves benching Campbell for Collins. The offense can't get any worse with Collins and may get better based on last year's performance. To continue with Campbell and expect the situation to get better will probably leave us out of the playoffs.

Posted by: JohninNW | November 30, 2008 6:21 PM |

You are wrong sir. You can most certainly blow up the o line. 3 of them can be benched right now. Make a point, if you want to be a starter, play like one. No better time to get some experience. If we lose next week and screw our playoff chances it should happen. Also, not enough plays for Cooley.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The Redskns desperately need a spark down the stretch. At this point, you can't blow-up the O-line, you can't shake up the front office, and you can't (and shouldn't) fire the coach. That leaves benching Campbell for Collins. The offense can't get any worse with Collins and may get better based on last year's performance. To continue with Campbell and expect the situation to get better will probably leave us out of the playoffs.

Posted by: JohninNW | November 30, 2008 6:21

A first year Coach is not going to trust in rookies nor bench JC when there is still an outside chance of making the playoffs.

I do hope he kicks some WR ass for the un-timely drops that would have resulted in 1st downs. No excuses for those.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 30, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

JohninNW: Why should Collins do better? He looked worse than Campbell in preseason, and hasn't received 1/10 of the reps Campbell has since. Not to mention his lack of mobility in the pocket would only add to the O-line issues we already have.

I don't disagree that we need a spark; I just don't think benching the best QB on the roster is the answer.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The conventional wisdom on Campbell is that he is not a rah-rah super excitable guy on the field, but rather that he is focused and business like.

Question: what outstanding QB's through history can you think of that have fit this description?

(This is not a rhetorical question.)

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, it'll all come together next year for Campbell and I think the Skins O will look much more precise and consistent than we've come to expect

Posted by: hailbg | November 30, 2008 6:14 PM

It's good to be an optimist. Exactly what have you seen, however, that indicates that Campbell can learn to thrive under pressure and be a great quarterback?

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:17 PM

Nothing, really except for a couple of flashes here and there; but the argument goes like this. What would you have seen in Eli Manning's game previous to this season and last year's postseason that would lend you to believe that he would be a very good QB? Remember Eli had 4 interceptions in a half against Minny late in the season last year. When it happens is hard to predict and hard to quantify. It just happens; the game slows down, options become more crystallized, movement in the pocket becomes crisper, etc.

I am in no way guaranteeing that it will happen for Campbell next year or ever. However, if I were a betting man, I would put my money on Campbell than not. Let's put it that way

Posted by: hailbg | November 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Falcons seem to be doing quite well. They went through quite a bit with the Vick distraction, but they seem to be on the right track. At least their quarterback can lead the offense to more than one throwing touchdown a game.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I am in no way guaranteeing that it will happen for Campbell next year or ever. However, if I were a betting man, I would put my money on Campbell than not. Let's put it that way

Posted by: hailbg | November 30, 2008 6:26 PM

Maybe so, but Flacco and Ryan have already goen further in a year than Campbell has gone in four.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

michael_b_clegg after listening to Zorn presser I am starting to wonder if him holding onto the ball so long has anything to do with him not wanting to make any mistake. When you press your QB to the point on not making any mistakes that is the out come of it.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

don't totally understand Fire Zorn comments. team is much more disciplined and professional than it has been since Gibbs 1.0. However, he really needs to take a look at his play calling -- absolutely no rhythm and no commitment to the run. He just seems obsessed with being clever when the team simply does not have the personnel to execute (note: JC can not throw the slant route try something else). The team has been successful when they pound the ball irrespective of opponent (see early success against Pitt and Dallas before run abandoned)

Finally the league seems to now require that a QB change calls at the line --see Mannings, Brees, Brady et al. However the skins constantly get to the line with nominal time on the clock and don't seem to adjust to defense. Getting to the line quicker might also be a nice third quarter skill when your down 2 scores or more -- in fact why not go into hurry-up earlier and try and maximize posessions when your trying to claw back

Zorn is the right guy but a wise mentor around the organization would be a huge advantage -- don't get the sense Vinny is that guy.

Posted by: charlievox | November 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

What do Flacco and Ryan have that JC does not? An O-line. WR's. Low expectations from their fan bases. JC strikes me as mentally tough enough to deal with #3; but the first two simply illustrates the challenge of playing a team game without a complete team.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with you 70chip?? will you seriously stop it with all your Sean Taylor comments? You're telling people to "get over it," then why don't you stop it with your comments?

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

fake punt for a 30 yard gain for san diego, it'd be fun if we ever did that

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe so, but Flacco and Ryan have already goen further in a year than Campbell has gone in four.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:28 PM

Campbell has been a starter for two, really. Ryan and Flacco have been crazy impressive, for sure. But, they've been exceptions rather than the rule. And really striking exceptions. There's overwhelming evidence that qb's struggle in their rookie year and somewhat in their second as well.

I don't think people realize how having a diff offensive system sets a qb back. You can't just say he's in his 4th year when he's having to learn a diff offensive system ever year...

Posted by: hailbg | November 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Fan-o-matic: Tom Brady is pretty business-like although he will jump somones as. Marino, Elway, Montana were pretty calm guys. Campbell just seems like a robot sometimes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

On the plus side:
1) Liked the way Alexander played again.
2) Boschetti made some good plays for a guy on the street last week.
3) Devin Thomas finally found the end-zone
4) DeAngelo Hall signing looking better every game.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 30, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

What do Flacco and Ryan have that JC does not? An O-line. WR's. Low expectations from their fan bases. JC strikes me as mentally tough enough to deal with #3; but the first two simply illustrates the challenge of playing a team game without a complete team.

Posted by: AppleScience

That's true and it all comes to the fact that the Skins can't beat teams that are better than they are and they can barely beat teams that other teams seem to have no trouble with. They are a mediocre team that I believe is lead by a mediocre quarterback. It remains to be seen whether a good O line and great receivers can allow Campbell to be an elite qb. My guess is no.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that everyone was talking like Zorn was a savior, now, he loses a few games and everyone uses him as a scapegoat. It's the first year of a new system. We never expected them to be 7 and 5...if you did, you were smoking something. I'm a diehard Skins fan and I'm just going to be patient. I hate losing but you have to realize that we're still learning, our defense is banged up and Clinton is hurting bad. Don't be a bandwagon fan!!

Posted by: wmbdac | November 30, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Bad news. SD is now trailing ATL 22-13 early in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone even know that putting two hands instead of one to signal a fair catch is a penalty? That's the most idiotic things ever.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't think people realize how having a diff offensive system sets a qb back. You can't just say he's in his 4th year when he's having to learn a diff offensive system ever year...

Posted by: hailbg

He has failed to impress with any of the systems that he is supposed to be learning. It's his contract year. Would you be willing to pay him six million or more a year to be the teams' quarterback for years to come?

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Fan-o-matic: Tom Brady is pretty business-like although he will jump somones as. Marino, Elway, Montana were pretty calm guys. Campbell just seems like a robot sometimes.

Posted by: scampbell1975

But all those guys are/were exhorting others on the field, acting in ways that made you think, "Okay, that's the leader of this offense." They showed fire, they showed... I don't know, they showed they were taking it all in but also getting everyone else to do their job a little bit better. You know what I mean? They were *leading* and not just running the plays.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 30, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!! SEAN TAYLOR DIDN'T HE WANTED TO SOAR.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Fan o matic: they also had teams that won consistently so it was easy to do that. This team does not seem to believe in itself and that includes the qb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Daggar,

We heard you first, second, third time you're right.

Jim Zorn is problem, Jason Campbell is the problem also. The problems with this team start up top and I think we all know that isn't about to change. Too bad it's too late to change my allegiance - I'm too old for that.

HTTR.

Posted by: abtassler | November 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

michael_b_clegg, I believe Zorn determines who returns punts - not Danny Smith. I have heard Zorn asked many times about the possibility of a player other than El returning punts and he always says the same thing "I trust him not to turn the ball over." It's all about trust with Zorn....he does not trust the rookies on offense..maybe is gaining a little more trust with the WRs.

As to Collins replacing Campbell..please. Collins played well last season only because he was playing in Saunders offense - which he knew like the back of his hand.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 30, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!! SEAN TAYLOR DIDN'T HE WANTED TO SOAR.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:40 PM

Stop complaining about beating me if you are going to continue beating me as well.


-Dead Horse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

WHO KILLED SEAN TAYLOR ?

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

He has failed to impress with any of the systems that he is supposed to be learning. It's his contract year. Would you be willing to pay him six million or more a year to be the teams' quarterback for years to come?

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:38 PM

LOL; that's because he hasn't been given any considerable time in any of them!!

Posted by: hailbg | November 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!! SEAN TAYLOR DIDN'T HE WANTED TO SOAR.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

wmbdac: Word, bro. The team has issues, as do the other 31 teams that don't win the superbowl in a given year. We have personnel issues; I said before that they'll take 2-3 drafts to correct.

Zorn does very well with what he has. I love Joe Gibbs, but Snyder let him go nuts in free agency and trading away draft picks. Cerrato's draft looks bad now, may look better later. I am NOT apologizing for Cerrato; just pointing out even the best GM couldn't improve the roster that much in 7 rounds.

All that said; we can run the table from here on out and need to.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 30, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:37 PM |

Hey Jim, learn to spell your own last name before you post on RI.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975: I guess so. Easy to be more animated, "leaderly," when things are going right.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 30, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

JOE GIBBS, why hath thou forsaken us... AGAIN?

Posted by: jgarrisn | November 30, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's fire Z-MAN and hire a hungry coach like JIM FOSSIL, the guy has alot to prove

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Danny is the Special Teams coach!!!! He makes all recommendations to the Head Coach just as Bugel is saving Jansen..... Does Zorn dictate who starts on Defense?

Zorn better put his foot down pretty quickly b/c our special teams is an oxymoron

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

SD is driving in ATL territory. Around 9 minutes are left there.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

And ATL just sacked SD's QB.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

LET TAYLOR R.I.P, SEAN HATED HALF THE FANS ANYWAY. HE NEVER WANTED THE SPOT LIGHT AND NOW ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS NOT A SEAN TAYLOR BLOG.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Zorn better put his foot down pretty quickly b/c our special teams is an oxymoron

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 6:46 PM

No, there pretty special all right.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

SD is at the ATL 10 yd line now.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

LET TAYLOR R.I.P, SEAN HATED HALF THE FANS ANYWAY. HE NEVER WANTED THE SPOT LIGHT AND NOW ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS NOT A SEAN TAYLOR BLOG.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

LET TAYLOR R.I.P, SEAN HATED HALF THE FANS ANYWAY. HE NEVER WANTED THE SPOT LIGHT AND NOW ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS NOT A SEAN TAYLOR BLOG.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

SD just scored a field goal. 22-16 in favor of ATL with around 5:00 left. Can Norv Turner find a way to win? Why do I think the answer is a tragic no?

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

LET TAYLOR R.I.P, SEAN HATED HALF THE FANS ANYWAY. HE NEVER WANTED THE SPOT LIGHT AND NOW ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS NOT A SEAN TAYLOR BLOG.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Daggar, you're a dumb azz, so cut the crap..... this is a Skins Blog and we will discuss as we please.... so go back to your foolish Fire Zorn crap....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Beat Philly, Cincy and San Fran and we're in.

Otherwise, we start warming up the boycott bus.

Posted by: jgarrisn | November 30, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

SD just scored a field goal. 22-16 in favor of ATL with around 5:00 left. Can Norv Turner find a way to win? Why do I think the answer is a tragic no?

Posted by: jiacinto |

Because he is Nov Turner. I really don't understand how this guy continues to be a head coach. When he was here it was all do to Dan. Now he has a very talented team in SD he still can't get it done.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, though, Turner lost at least one or two of those games to bad calls from the officiating crews.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Daggar, you're a so right stop the sean taylor crap..... this is a Skins Blog not a sean taylor Blog and we won't discuss sean taylor ....

CLEGG

Posted by: | November 30, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse


Thanks michael_b_clegg

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

SD is about to get the ball back with around 4:00 left. They stopped Atlanta. Do we have faith in Norv turner? I don't.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Beat Philly, Cincy and San Fran and we're in.

Otherwise, we start warming up the boycott bus.

Posted by: jgarrisn | November 30, 2008 6:53 PM |

Winning those games gaurantees us nothing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

LOL; that's because he hasn't been given any considerable time in any of them!!

Posted by: hailbg

Flacco and Ryan are still doing beter as first year quarterbacks than Campbell is doing in his fourth year, irregardless of how many systems he has had to learn. I assume that you will give him a six or more million a year contract that last six years or more. Hopefully, that bet pays off. I am disinclined to believe that this is a reasonable thing to do.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

LET TAYLOR R.I.P, SEAN HATED HALF THE FANS ANYWAY. HE NEVER WANTED THE SPOT LIGHT AND NOW ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS NOT A SEAN TAYLOR BLOG.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

SD didn't go anywhere on this drive. It is 4th down deep in their territory. Looks like Norv Turner f!cked up again.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

daggarforracialjustice, it's an honor sharing a fake name with you.

did you bet the rent money again?

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Can't stand d bags like daggarfora$$raping. The only person still talking about Taylor is you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

LET TAYLOR R.I.P, SEAN HATED HALF THE FANS ANYWAY. HE NEVER WANTED THE SPOT LIGHT AND NOW ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS NOT A SEAN TAYLOR BLOG.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

ATL is going to beat SD.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I am so disgusted but a way waaaaaaaqay better team, came in and clocked us a la the Pitt game and dare i say the 2nd Cowboy game. THe 1rst Philly & dallas game were when they were down. They ALL have better d & o lines then we do. thats it right there. Look how much better the Jets are playing behind a decent o-line. Man for the love of God please get busy and scout like mad and draft o & d line man and a linebacker.

How stupid a decision is letting Antonio Pierce go for Marcus Washington now? a FA who worked his tail off, was smart and we let him go over a recently signed FA..........as stupid a move as was signing deon and jeff george....and it was Gibbs that time.....we're 8--8 next few years at best...we're toast next week vs ravens, then the next week vs eagles. 7--9 or 8--8 this year

Posted by: tabtool | November 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Daggar, you've got to be right. Notice the incessant use of unnecessary capitalization and blatant bigotry. Shoulda known, ITA.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't like how hard SanFran is playing for Singletary these days..... That's no gimmee.....

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

daggarforracialjustice, it's an honor sharing a great name with you.

You're a great guy

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the comment

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

LET TAYLOR R.I.P, SEAN HATED HALF THE FANS ANYWAY. HE NEVER WANTED THE SPOT LIGHT AND NOW ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS NOT A SEAN TAYLOR BLOG.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Think the racial daggar kid has down syndrome.

Bye bye playoffs. 4-1 seems like last season.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 30, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

The racial daggar kid seems cool.

Bye bye playoffs. 4-1 seems like last season.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 30, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

There should be an 18 yr old age restriction for this blog..... get rid of punks like daggar....

I love seeing the Pats get beat down....

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Nothing at all new here today, last season, the season before....

Zorn is not the problem - he inherited a team built by Danny, Vinny the pasta boy, and Gibbs. Gibbs was never a talent evaluator or team architect like Parcells. Danny - well, 'nuff said there - should have stuck to selling magazines to college kids. And Vinny is just an errand boy.

Add lots of sugar to the KoolAide for the rest of the season. No matter how much elese changes, until Snyder and his dysfunctional crew leave or are tossed out, things will be the same.

Posted by: i155133 | November 30, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

How stupid a decision is letting Antonio Pierce go for Marcus Washington now? a FA who worked his tail off, was smart

Yeah taking the gun from NY to NJ is really smart.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if you are out there Cindy, but congratulations on your Chiefs taking out the- oh, wait, never mind it was only the Raiders.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

daggar sounds like the lil punk kid in school bragging about his dad cuz he has nothing to show for himself. It's real simple though, this offseason the focus should be on improving our o and d lines. With our trenches solidified we're in good shape.

Posted by: noluvdr | November 30, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

JM,

HOW TRUE IS THAT...... A.P. could get in some trouble b/c of that too.... which he should,... something's still missing about this story.. if it was an accident, why would he really need to hide the guy.. did he really panic that much?

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I think A.P. hid the gun cuz Plax probably told him he wasn't supposed to be carrying it.

Posted by: noluvdr | November 30, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I meant, hide the gun, not the guy...although, that might have been smarter than hiding the gun...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny hasn't learned yet, watch guys like Horton end up gone in a couple years

Posted by: noluvdr | November 30, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"Time to get Heyer, Rhinehardt, and Geisenger in there and see what happens. I'd rather get beat with future players than has beens (or never were's)."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008

Really? You hate Jason Campbell that much to want to see him get murdered? There is a reason these guys do not play and that is that they are no better than our sorry starters. It is time to spend some real draft picks (#1) on a good O lineman, and a #2 as well if some bozo did not trade it off already.

Posted by: driley | November 30, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Apollo Science - Glad to see someone has a head on their shoulders. I agree about the draft. I think we do need a "GM." Doesn't have to be a great one but someone who's willing to take the time and study the players available, draft or free agents.
As far as Zorn...give him a chance. Let Campbell play in this system for more than a year, get our WR on board and I hate to say this...unload some of our overpaid O-line. They don't play the full game.

Posted by: wmbdac | November 30, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Driley, you mean he's not getting murdered now? I do agree with spending some real draft picks. And yes there is a reason, because Washington's staff seems to have trouble recognizing talent.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse


1) anyone is allowed to comment. It's your choice whether to read them.
B) cHRis LARRy rulz and drulz. It's a unique talent!
*) DON'T BET THE RENT MONEY!
R) I just want to get back to smacking the other team in the mouth.
Silent Q) Fire them all and let god sort it out.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Was it just me or did Campbell look a little lonely in the backfield 2nd half? I guess we were trying to attack the perimeters, but it seemed like we should've kept guys back more to help Campbell & not telegraph another pass play to the Giants D. Would've given him more time to stretch the vertical.

Related, any thoughts on whether we could've tried to develop the running game without Portis? I was surprised that I more hand-offs to Betts, or even Cartwright, given the Giants' preference of kicking off the towards our DT's. I've also been curious about handing the ball off to Cooley, b/c it'd be pretty unexpected.

Posted by: Josh7 | November 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Today wasn't the O lines fault unfortunately..although, Jansen is a joke! Campbell was "pumping" the ball a bit much.. he's getting scared to pull the trigger. He wasnt very accurate today. Several receptions were just off the ground...We still had 5 drops though..

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Which free agent O-line men are tops for next year on everyone's wish list. D-line too.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"Today wasn't the O lines fault unfortunately"

Is this serious? Our offensive line was below average in pass-protection today (although they've been worse), and they were god-awful in the run game. There isn't a single positive you can point out from their performance. Joe Montana wouldn't have put up more than 7 points in this system.

Posted by: spizzle | November 30, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

As other teams keep taking our sixth-round QB picks and turning them into starters, I think the following update is in order:
The few thousand fans left in the stands cheered when third-string quarterback Jordan Palmer came in during the closing minutes, then booed when his first pass was intercepted by Jim Leonhard and returned 36 yards for a touchdown.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Spizzle,

Soups had time most of the game with the exception of the last 6 min in the game when we were down by 3 scores....Even Moose commented on his 7 step drops.... He had time today, but wouldn't release the dang ball...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow - that was a clunker. Sadly I hope this team is successful to end the season but honestly they aren't going far in the playoffs. How far will they go if they continue to be consistently inconsistent on offense from week to week.

Offense: Campbell better start becoming less indecisive. He is still holding the ball too long. He has to get rid of it. Also where is the creativity in the offense to back off an aggressive defense. They did that one time today and what happened: TOUCHDOWN DEVIN THOMAS. After that...zzzzz's. Boring. Everything else was predictable. The Giants D was all over. They are the beasts of the NFC East and the conference. Hats off to them.

Hopefully Cerrato realizes he needs help on both lines. What am I saying - this Vinny - more pass catchers - we need more pass catchers. Receivers receivers receivers. Here's to hoping to Kelly and Thomas are starting to hit that curve and become more involved. This is ugly folks but this part of the growing pains that will happen during the season. Regardless of how late it is - this offense needs to start improving again. Hope for a better game next week.

Hail

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 30, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

michael_b_clegg because he could be doing 3/12 years for having the gun in NY. NY has one of the stronges gun laws.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

He has failed to impress with any of the systems that he is supposed to be learning. It's his contract year. Would you be willing to pay him six million or more a year to be the teams' quarterback for years to come?

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 30, 2008 6:38 PM

Yes he has impressed. 5:2 TD:INT ratio, 64% completion percentage, solid ability to make plays by running the ball. Good luck in finding the next John Elway, if that's what you expect out of your QB. My guess is this team would be searching for the better part of the next decade if they bailed on a perfectly competent quarterback in order to find the next once-in-a-generation QB in the NFL.

Posted by: spizzle | November 30, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

After watching Zorn's post game comments I was baffled. He said that the reason we throw 6 yard passes on third and 9 is that is the "rhythm of the pocket". If our WR can not run 12 yards before our pocket collapses than we are worse than I thought.

Cooley said that we have no "middle game" and looked entirely frustrated saying it. This offense is making all kinds of excuses for itself, from the playcalling to the design and finally in the execution. The contrast with what the Giants can do with second string receivers and with the personell we put on the field is huge.

So the Giants played with the safety up and the linebackers shifting over to stop our run. That should only leave 3 deep to cover. That should have set up the passing attack, especially with play action passes. So calling for the 3 yard slants and curls is just BS, and shows no imagination or verve. Or does it show that Zorn has zero faith in our offensive line?

Posted by: driley | November 30, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

he could be doing 3/12 years for having the gun in NY. NY has one of the stronges gun laws

I hope NY throws him in jail for the 3 1/2 years. What a moron.........

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 30, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Which free agent O-line men are tops for next year on everyone's wish list. D-line too.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

PFW’s 10 most intriguing free agents for 2009

By PFW staff
Nov. 11, 2008

Julius Peppers (left) and
Albert Haynesworth

1) DT Albert Haynesworth
Tennessee Titans

Furious he was franchised last offseason, Haynesworth has channeled his anger into an utterly dominant campaign. The league’s best D-tackle, he’ll demand top dollar.

2) DE Julius Peppers
Carolina Panthers

A massive, yet quick punisher on the outside, Peppers could thrive in either a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme. He has rebounded from a subpar ’07 season, but consistency is an issue.

3) CB Nnamdi Asomugha
Oakland Raiders

Al Davis’ decision to give ex-Raider DeAngelo Hall a long-term deal over Asomugha was downright wrong. Asomugha will get paid handsomely this go-around.

4) QB Kurt Warner
Arizona Cardinals

Warner’s MVP-caliber season makes him a hot commodity even though he turns the ripe old age of 38 this coming June.

5) MLB Ray Lewis
Baltimore Ravens

In his 13th season, he’s still one of the best in the business. He’s the centerpiece that the Ravens’ defense revolves around.

6) OLB Terrell Suggs
Baltimore Ravens

Although a tremendous pass rusher, Suggs only figures to be a particularly attractive player for teams running the 3-4 scheme.

7) WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Cincinnati Bengals

You can’t blame Houshmandzadeh if he opts to leave the mess in Cincinnati behind him. But will the Bengals allow him to?

8) RB Brandon Jacobs
New York Giants

With backfield buddy Derrick Ward also on the market, the Giants will have a big — 260 pounds big — decision on their hands.

9) OLB Karlos Dansby
Arizona Cardinals

After losing Calvin Pace last year, the Cardinals now face the daunting task of re-signing pass rushers Dansby and Bertrand Berry.

10) OT Jordan Gross
Carolina Panthers

In a market bereft of top O-tackles, Gross might be the best available if the Panthers sink their cash into Julius Peppers instead.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have the same issue they have had for the last 4 years, below average oline they think is good (the front office anyways), the front seven is weak no pressure and mediocre against the run, and lack of multiple threats in the passing game. Whether it be coles or moss, this team has consisted of a running back and one good receiver for years.....this draft might be the long term answer to that, we'll see....but the o line is still below average and is now old at every position, and the fronts seven other than Fletcher is all bad, no pressure and mediocre against the run, rocky can't cover, washington can't stay healthy, and blades is a backup. So we have serious needs at the core and not 10 draft picks to address it, better hope that uncapped year comes, that's the only way boy steinbrenner snyder can put together a decent team, cause he doesn't understand, football is won in the trenches and at qb, not at wide receiver and corner!

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

So calling for the 3 yard slants and curls is just BS, and shows no imagination or verve. Or does it show that Zorn has zero faith in our offensive line?


I'd say, no faith in the O-line. Give Zorn and company a couple years to get THEIR players to run THEIR offense, then judge. Although they may never get their players since VC and DS draft like Roseanne Barr sings the National anthem, awful.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 30, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Those of you that booked Tampa hotel rooms, pls. e-mail me at: snafssabmud@redskins.com for a coupon voucher trade.

Posted by: Peaux_Sucent | November 30, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

"Even Moose commented on his 7 step drops"

His seven step drops are by design, not by his choice. If you consider that a problem, that's on Zorn, not Campbell.

There is nothing Jason Campbell can do right now to make this system work. He hits his WRs in the hands, they drop it. He hits his WRs in stride on 3rd down, they run their routes 2 yards short and get stopped on the conversion. He holds the ball a little longer to let his routes develop, he gets drilled by pass-rushers that beat our pathetic o-line. He puts the ball in the air, hopefully allowing his WRs to make a play for him, and they don't take advantage of the opportunity. ALL of these things occurred during this game. Campbell is literally the least of the offense's problems right now, outside of Portis. Until Zorn fixes his playcalling, the WRs actually make plays, and the offensive line gets back to being able to at least block the man in front of them, there isn't a QB in the league that will succeed in this system.

Posted by: spizzle | November 30, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

we should go after Gross and/or Peppers...doubt we have the cap room to get them both, besides I'd think Carolina will franchise one of them if needed.

Look, this team is going to the playoffs. we clearly have a long way to go in order to be a true SB contender, but we have a lot of the pieces in place. i'm tired of all this "Fire Zorn/Campbell sucks" crap. This is not their fault (although I was screaming to give it to Sellers on 4th and 1) we simply cannot match up with the Giants right now in the trenches. But look who we've played in the last month - 2 of the best three teams in the NFL and the Cowboys who I hate as much if not more than any of you, but they are the real deal with Romo in the huddle. we will regroup down the stretch as the schedule now softens considerably. 10-6 may do it.

don't forget, this is Year One of the Zman tenure. Who would've complained at the beginning of the year if we were 7-5 and had an opportunity to go 10-6 or 11-5? not me.

I am sad that the team couldn't win one for 21 on this day but all is not lost yet folks.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Spizzle,

I understand 7 step drops are by design....the point is, he hasn't had many 7 step drops due to the Oline and today he was able to do it......

Campbell "holding" onto the ball is an issue. I agree about the drops. 3 of the 5 would've been 1st downs and extended drives. Campbell wasn't very accurate today. That's not play calling. He threw a pick that was a bad pass... Cooley into triple coverage... several balls players caught as they were practically laying down to catch... I like Soups,... today wasn't his day, nor anyone else's for that matter.

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm also a bit curious about why all those that are screaming for Zorn and or campbell to go aren't at least mentioning getting rid of Bugel. I think father time has caught up to Jansen, and maybe Samuels too, but how much is on Bugel?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 30, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

spizzle, thank you, I watched that game, JC was great, his wr's let him down and you can't complain about his production, his completion %, td to int ratio, and scrambling ability is the among the best in the league, with a little time and 2 legit receivers and JC would be a pro bowl qb, I wasn't sold before this year, but I have seen nothing yet that says JC is the problem. Sure, will he's running for his life and not getting the 6 to 8 seconds that Manning and Romo get (especially against teams like us) he makes mistakes, but good luck finding a QB in the draft or anywhere else for that matter that could do any better in Washington, but the fact is, until we have a legit oline and decent threats outside, it doesn't matter who we play at QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm not one of the "Sky's falling" kind of guy.. we will put together a complete game sometime in the near future... 4 of our 5 losses have been at home, so it bodes well for us to go on the road and win. much like the Giants of last year... I'd love Peppers here, but I don't see that happening..

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Jack, somebody's doing a heckuva job Up Here, then, 'cause we're 7-5.

Reminds me of a Sean Taylorism: Sean Taylor has the greatest Poker-Face of all time. He won the 2005 World Series of Poker, despite holding only a Joker, a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, a 2 of clubs, 7 of spades and a green #4 card from the game UNO.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Daggar we've lost three of four and our only real offensive threat is hurt (portis) so exactly what am I missing?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

JASON CAMPBELL IT IS MOSTLY AT FAULT.HE MAKES BAD DECIENSIONS HE HOLDS THE TO LONG HE DOES NOT TAKE CHANCES HE IS JUST A BUM BOTTOM LINE.YEA THE OFFENSE LINE SUCKS SPECIALLY THAT DAM BUM JASEN HE ALWAYS BEEN OVERATED AND ANY BODY WHO EVERY THOUGHT HE WAS GOOD IS CRAZY AND RABACH SUCKS SAMUEL SUCKS I CAN SAY KENDALL PLAYS THE BEST AND HE IS THE OLDEST COME ON MAN.BUT YOU LOOK AT WHAT COLLINS DID LAST YEAR HE WENT DOWN THE FIELD ALEAST 15-20 YARDS A PASS HE PICKED THE RIGHT RECIEVER OUT HE MAKES QUICK DECIENSIONS AND SCORED POINTS.I CAN SAY ZORN DOES MAKE SOME DUM CALLS LIKE RUN RUN RUN ALL THE TIME HE NEVER PASSES ON FIRST DOWN.A BIG CONCERN IS THEY PLAY WITH NO HEART AND AFTER A TRIBUTE TO SHAWN TAYLOR THE BEST HE DESERVED BETTER YOU SCUM BAGS AND ON TOP OF IT THE GIANTS HAD DRAMA GOING ON BENCH CAMPBELL AND MOVE ON.THE GAMES WE DID WIN WE HARDLY SCORED NO EXCUSES A NEW OFFENSE AND ALL THAT CRAP LOOK AT THESE ROOKIE QUATERBACKS ARE DOING OKAY OKAY I GET SICK AND HEARING THAT EXCUSE AND IF ANYBODY CAN TRY TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THAT IS REACHING AND NEEDS TO SHUT UP AND HE ALSO SHOW NO EMOTION HE IS TO DAM LAYED BACK TO PLAY THIS GAME. ANOTHER THING COACH BLACHE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE AND ROGERS IS STARTING THAT CRAP FROM LAST YEAR AND HORTON FOR GET ABOUT DEFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR ALL THOSE MISSED TACKLES AND SNYDER START THREATING THESES FOOLS OKAY

Posted by: rdbdaddy | November 30, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

JASON CAMPBELL IT IS MOSTLY AT FAULT.HE MAKES BAD DECIENSIONS HE HOLDS THE TO LONG HE DOES NOT TAKE CHANCES HE IS JUST A BUM BOTTOM LINE.YEA THE OFFENSE LINE SUCKS SPECIALLY THAT DAM BUM JASEN HE ALWAYS BEEN OVERATED AND ANY BODY WHO EVERY THOUGHT HE WAS GOOD IS CRAZY AND RABACH SUCKS SAMUEL SUCKS I CAN SAY KENDALL PLAYS THE BEST AND HE IS THE OLDEST COME ON MAN.BUT YOU LOOK AT WHAT COLLINS DID LAST YEAR HE WENT DOWN THE FIELD ALEAST 15-20 YARDS A PASS HE PICKED THE RIGHT RECIEVER OUT HE MAKES QUICK DECIENSIONS AND SCORED POINTS.I CAN SAY ZORN DOES MAKE SOME DUM CALLS LIKE RUN RUN RUN ALL THE TIME HE NEVER PASSES ON FIRST DOWN.A BIG CONCERN IS THEY PLAY WITH NO HEART AND AFTER A TRIBUTE TO SHAWN TAYLOR THE BEST HE DESERVED BETTER YOU SCUM BAGS AND ON TOP OF IT THE GIANTS HAD DRAMA GOING ON BENCH CAMPBELL AND MOVE ON.THE GAMES WE DID WIN WE HARDLY SCORED NO EXCUSES A NEW OFFENSE AND ALL THAT CRAP LOOK AT THESE ROOKIE QUATERBACKS ARE DOING OKAY OKAY I GET SICK AND HEARING THAT EXCUSE AND IF ANYBODY CAN TRY TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THAT IS REACHING AND NEEDS TO SHUT UP AND HE ALSO SHOW NO EMOTION HE IS TO DAM LAYED BACK TO PLAY THIS GAME. ANOTHER THING COACH BLACHE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE AND ROGERS IS STARTING THAT CRAP FROM LAST YEAR AND HORTON FOR GET ABOUT DEFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR ALL THOSE MISSED TACKLES AND SNYDER START THREATING THESES FOOLS OKAY

Posted by: rdbdaddy |

This is your brain on drugs.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 30, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

It's really hard to read anything you type rbd much less take you seriously when you type like a 3rd grade drop out.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

and I thought I typed badly

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

It's not the O-line it's the game plan. Both of these last division games the skins should have gone max protect in the passing game. Ever since Chris Samuels knee injury, this offense is in the tank. One pro-bowl tackle 70% and the other tackle 70% of what he used to be. Yes, they need guys on the line for this system but until then they need to game plan better.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 30, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I THOUGHT I WAS THE KING OF CAPS????

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

LET TAYLOR R.I.P, SEAN HATED HALF THE FANS ANYWAY. HE NEVER WANTED THE SPOT LIGHT AND NOW ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS NOT A SEAN TAYLOR BLOG.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell wasn't very accurate today."

I agree with that. He wasn't extremely accurate today, and it cost him with that underthrown pick to ARE.

However, his some of his other seemingly inaccurate throws are by design. He throws them low to the ground on purpose. The difference is that other QBs around the league have players that make those catches. Steve Smith caught one just like that today to keep a drive alive (catch was deemed complete on replay). Domenic Hixon made a brilliant adjustment on a diving catch to his back shoulder early in the game. Our WRs don't make plays even remotely close to that one. Unless it hits them in stride in the numbers, you can't count on them to hold onto the ball. Moss is the only one that has any history of making plays out of nothing, and he's severely underwhelmed this second half of the season. Watch the highlights of the other games around the league today. Mark Clayton's 1-handed catch for a TD bomb -- no shot our WRs bring down that catch. Steve Smith's 50-yard bomb in the last 2 minutes -- he went up OVER the defender to make the play (again no shot our WRs make that, as exhibited by the pick to ARE). These are plays that a QB needs his WR to make from time to time, and Campbell is having none of it, unless it's Campbell hitting an uncovered Moss in stride when he beats the defense.

Posted by: spizzle | November 30, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

and Campbell is having none of it, unless it's Campbell hitting an uncovered Moss in stride when he beats the defense.

Posted by: spizzle

That's what I was thinking when I was watching the Panthers game. S. Smith makes so many plays like that, you become used to it. Jake gets to take chances throwing it up there.

Matt Cassell will make loads of cash next year, but if he goes to a team like ours with a weak o--line and i legit wr and a decent TE, he'll do no better than J Campbell.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 30, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

thank you again! spizzle on fizzire. I watch a crapload of other football thanks to the sunday ticket and a wife who is a die hard panthers fan, in almost every other game I watch, + against us most of the time, I watch players, specifically receivers but backs and tight ends too, make circus catches regularly once or twice a game plus not drop the regular stuff (other than braylon edwards) but nobody on our team ever seems to make the catch they aren't supposed to and for the most part are inconsistent even on the routine stuff.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

rdbdaddy is only saying what a lot of us are thinking. When we're not.

Posted by: mack1 | November 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

and a wife who is a die hard panthers fan

what a game today between the Packers and the Panthers!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 30, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see the Redskins bring in a few place kickers tomorrow. Suisham has definitely screwed the pooch in the last few games and is really costing us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I think another problem we have is that no one respects the big play because we never go for the long ball. Everything is short or a run so everyone can play a redzone type defense against us. If we don't stretch the field vertically then we will always have that compressed area for defenses to concentrate on. Until we get a player that can compliment Santana, we will never be able to be successful on offense. This coupled with our lack of a line and no playmaking as mentioned makes our offense abysmal.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

In agreement there.... I'm not too sure about a crossing rte being thrown 1 ft off the ground as part of a design especially when all 3 of them were 3rd down conversions falling short... I think Zorn would take you to the wood shed on that one... it's not the same as throwing to the back shoulder by design. However, I do agree on putting much of this on the receivers. They get paid to catch the ball. ARE should've done a better job of defending that pick.. he's weak in my opinion and i've never been a huge fan of his. He made a bad mistake on not calling a fair catch on the 35 yd line, ( would've been a tough catch ) that fell and rolled to the 17... that's a big swing. Especially since he's the king of fair catches...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rdbdaddy | November 30, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse
JASON CAMPBELL IT IS MOSTLY AT FAULT. ... long rant ...

Well yes in a way this guy is right. Jason is learning yet another offense from college through the pro's yet another ... maybe his eight in less than 10 year. Like trying to get a PhD with an advisor who changes his mind about the thesis every other day. Yeah, its that hard.

So, now let's be Danny. Let's fire Zorn and hire yet another offensive coordinator. I think they would have done just fine with Joe Gibbs et al this year. But **HE** decided to retire. The Sean Taylor tragedy brought too many things home to him. Lord knows Washington DC should understand ... and now a half-african american president ... a target.

YOU ALL ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN to be patient with Jason and Zorn. That includes DANNY drunken tourist bar of a stadium SNYDER. Gibbs hand picked this QB. When it comes to picking QBs he may have the best record in football. Probably sent more to superbowls than any other coach both for the Skins and other teams. So, let's assume he knows his stuff.

It may be that Todd Collins could come in with his master's degree credential and do better for a while ... until the playoffs. And then?

And by the way, sorry guys, but Portis IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE Larry frickin' BROWN. He is good. Better than Riggins but just not the same as that man. We had no idea how rare he was. I like Betts down the stretch. Portis looks too banged up.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I think the skins are playing the way many expected at the beginning of the year. They have several positions they need to address in the offseason to take the next step up as a team. The Steelers showed that if you play physical, aggressive defense to take away the skins run and to force short, quick throws by JC, the skins offense will be below average. JZ hasn't figured out to counter this type of defensive strategy. Maybe he doesn't have the personnel. I suspect that the skins won't the playoffs because of this issue.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Today was very frustrating. It seemed each time we challenged to make this a game, someone "Jansen" false started... Chris Wilson, off sides..... Springs, (jealous of D Hall) defends a pick that would've been a pick

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say the springs play was pretty bad, not sure it was "jealousy" of Hall, but Hall was camped under that ball like a punt return, it was terrible to see that hit the ground, don't know what springs was doing but it wasn't good....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Springs, (jealous of D Hall) defends a pick that would've been a pick

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 8:55 PM

What? Both men went for the ball and neither one could see the other. Both were looking at the ball, as they should when they're trying to catch it. It would be as reasonable for you to say "Hall, jealous of Springs, kept him from making a pick." Two well-skilled guys were both doing their jobs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

TE,

I WAS JESTING ABOUT THE SPRINGS JEALOUS OF HALL......... :-) Sarcasm at it's best... nothing went right today...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

what springs was doing but it wasn't good....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 8:59 PM

Jack, Springs was trying to make a play. He never saw Hall. He was looking at the ball. That's what you're supposed to do when you're trying to catch a pass. Most balls are dropped when people start looking around before they have the ball.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

OK, I've been on this dang blog since 11 am this morning and keep hoping that today was a dream.......

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Skins are still a slightly above average team (about one game or so) yet extremely mediocre to poor at some positions team (oline, dline, lb, and wr) but if Kelly had made that catch on the sideline that hit him in the chest coupled with the thomas reverse, maybe teams might have to think about other stuff than just moss and portis and cooley occassionally. But that drop, along with all the others just re-enforces what teams already knew, stop CP double moss and this is a 10 to 14 point offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Well, Jack, is it injuries or lack of talent? Your first list was how the oline and defensive front is all bad.
I wondered how we won even once with such a deficiency.

We're no more or less injured than anyone else, we haven't beaten any elite teams; our offense is stagnant. I'm hoping that JC has another gear in there somewhere.

Or you can pack it in, play all-rookie all the time, and start prepping for the combine.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so it wasn't a dream... you guys have a great night..... I'm off to decompress b4 Monday..... HEADED TO THE MONDAY NIGHT GAME HERE IN H TOWN TOMORROW... here's too us finally doing something next week on Primetime... maybe time to go back to the ALL WHITE UNI's!!!!!!!!!

clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

4skins need a head coach right about now not a first time offensive coordinator and and starting QB not a backup QB pretending to be a starter! Good Luck with all that, LOL!!!!!

Posted by: Dfan | November 30, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know why Betts was split out in some four WR sets late in the game along with Yoder? Atleast put Thomas and Kelly out there in mop up time to get some experience. I understand these guys haven't made alot of plays catching the ball but how will we know if they can play when we only throw them the ball a couple times a game? I know Thrash is good to have around in the locker room and on Special Teams but lets face it, we aren't gonna win games throwing to Thrash and Yoder.

Posted by: hender_22 | November 30, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, Jack, is it injuries or lack of talent? Your first list was how the oline and defensive front is all bad.
I wondered how we won even once with such a deficiency.

We're no more or less injured than anyone else, we haven't beaten any elite teams; our offense is stagnant. I'm hoping that JC has another gear in there somewhere.

Or you can pack it in, play all-rookie all the time, and start prepping for the combine.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I haven't talked about any injuries, except portis, cause he's the entire offense.........keep defending them if you want and watch the 8 to 9 win season this franchise has perfected happen again. This team has mediocre weapons on offense like it has since Joe came back, 20 points a game in the nfl (something the skins would dream to average) is a joke. The Giants average more points a game this year than we have scored the entire season, that's not injuries or coaching or anything but a lack of weapons. Cooley is a stud TE on a team with a decent receiving team, and moss is the best #2 in the league if this team had a true #1, but we couldn't sign, trade for, or draft another threat opposite moss despite wasting all our picks trying while not improving either line or our linebackers, so yeah, that about sums it up. The problem with this team isn't Zorn, CP, or JC, its the front office which I know is the dead horse here but what else can you say at this point, the oline has gotten old and the front seven has been ignored, all in an attempt to find one decent threat opposite moss and it still hasn't been done.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I hate trying to read this blog after a loss. You all are almost as bad as the guy who sits behind me at the games. I am pretty sure that he has never actually rooted FOR the team - just complains when things don't go well.

Keep the faith. We'll see what happens.

See you all later in the week (just happy to be warm and dry again).

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 30, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

See you all later in the week (just happy to be warm and dry again).

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 30, 2008 9:25 PM

Nice post, Suzanne. Have a safe trip home.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

suzanne, I admire people who keep faith like you since 1991 for a good team.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

me, I expect more from the team that rapes me for the more money than any other team in the league.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

36 and 35 at home over the last decade, that's not the hallmark of a good football team, that's what I complain about....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

excuse me, that's too much credit, they are 35 and 36 at home.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

hey zjfr2 and all you other negative nancies - there's plenty of room on the Giants bandwagon if you've had enough. And the Cowboys are always accepting evil converts.

Nobody takes a loss harder than me. But I wish people would stop calling for heads to roll when we lose. We are a work in progress - did anyone have allusions to the contrary?? We lost to the best team in football. We've got a lot of work to do. But J#$u$ H Crimminy, have some faith and patience!

We beat the Ravens and we're back on track. Tall order but we can do it.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

So... the FO isn't going anywhere. Do you give up until some sort of fantasy change is made... a new owner?

keep defending them if you want...
When have I defended them? I'm just a fan, doing this for funl; keeps me young. I'd like to see the team do well. I'd like a dominant offense combined with this fair-to-middlin' defense. I'd love more pressure. I'd love 24 starters in the pro bowl, and a super bowl too. Probably have to settle for a 10-6, 9-7 team that either just makes or just misses the playoffs.

I'm glad you feel like you can see the problems so clearly. Too bad your solution is... unpossible!

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks this is Campbell's fault apparently doesn't realize that you can't throw the football to a receiver that is not open! We don't even have a legit #1 receiver. Moss is a #2 and Randel El is a #3!

Posted by: reds1020 | November 30, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks this is Campbell's fault apparently doesn't realize that you can't throw the football to a receiver that is not open!

Then how do you explain this sentence fragment: "Brett Favre drops back to throw..."

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

The only head I've called for is Vinny....anybody wanna argue with me on that?.........I mean, if you wanna keep the blind faith go ahead, I am sick of years of ignoring the same problems and the inability to fix the same problems they've thrown re-dick-u-lus amounts of resources at to fix......that being receiver, with the coles compensation while having gardner, the jacobs pick, then the coles for moss trade (kinda a wash except for the upgraded contract for moss), the highest contract I've ever heard of for a bad punt returner ARE, the LLoyd trade and contract upgrade, and then the picks this year. I think CP is the best back in the NFL but he is carrying too big a responsibility, and JC is a top 10 QB but has no weapons, and Zorn is a good coach in his first year with no weapons. So I'm calling for one guy's head......Fing Vinny.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins basically sucked today. The only good thing was we somewhat shutdown Brandon Jacobs. The question I have is why cant we go back to playing the way we were playing when we were on that 4 game win streak?

Posted by: bigdiesel42 | November 30, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

most iterceptions in NFL history....and you what in the world are you trying to say?

Posted by: reds1020 | November 30, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

>Jack, Springs was trying to make a play. He never saw Hall.

Ack you guys just don't see it do you? Springs is used to being the BEST corner on the field. He is not used to playing free safety, nickle. He assume that no one else would be there for that ball and normally he would be right ... sans Sean Taylor. Now, he has to learn to play with Hall who is a lot better than he is at this point in both of their careers. Requires an adjustment. Not jealousy ... just surprise HEY there is someone out here who can cover these guys ...

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how long before Portis starts clamoring for a trade.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

...that would be humor, my friend. Something in great need and short supply Up Here.

Unlike prescriptions for fixing things.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Daggar, chill with the "off with his head" thing for Zorn. He's done a LOT better than I thought he would. The problem is, oh let's see, go back to square one.. the owner! Well DUH! The skins have been stinky since Dannypoo did his deal. He's been the one common thread of failure. I cry to think of my/our team at the mercy of such a fool, but there it is and here we are, watching the jints kick our butts and the friggin cowturds embarassing us. The frickin' jerrah's kids cowturds! Ya gotta believe George Allen has been rolling over in his grave watching this mess.
I say again, his dannypoopiness is a closet cowpie fan, sent here by greedy oilmen to undermine the health and sanity of the nation's capital, so petrolobbyists can run amok in the halls of government.
And yes, I lived in Texass once, but got the hell out as fast as I could.
How I wish the braves were on the warpath. Cue the pathos....

Posted by: ILikeSonny | November 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Vinnie sucks. I knew you all would be sorry if "TOO OLD" Gibbs ever left. Gibbs made the call over Vinnie. Vinnie is the worst GM (even worst than Detroit thought Matt Millen was) in the league. He does need to go. Will he? NO. He is in Danny's crew.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

periculum.........for once we agree, Hall was camped under that like he was waiting for the can of corn to fall off the top shelf, I mean it was almost a fair catch situation......springs came from across the field to screw up that pick.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

We would've won this game if Leigh Torrence was still on our team.

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 30, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

In watching some other qb's today, I have to put more blame on Campbell for a lot of the offensive problems. He holds the ball way too long. He's not quick (mentally or physically). And he's not decisive at all.

Posted by: austin987654 | November 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

We would've won this game if Leigh Torrence was still on our team.

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 30, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

rofl

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

....as long as we are proud of how hard we fought!

Posted by: reds1020 | November 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Uh Oh!

The sky is falling because the Giants kicked the Skins @ss

-- again!!!

This game proved the Giants are really good and the Skins are so beat up that they are no longer competitive with good teams.

Player execution appears to be the main problem. I noticed Portis writhing in pain, the O-line consistently missing blocks, and Campbell being very reluctant to throw the ball away. Special teams suck at kicks and punts; except for Rock's returns. The front seven are beat up and have trouble applying consistent pressure.

It doesn't look like a 10-6 team will make the playoffs as an NFC wild card this year. So, the Skins probably have to win the remaining four games to make the playoffs at 11-5. The games are against the Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, and 49ers; with three of them on the road and only the Eagles at home.

Every week is make or break now. The Skins have to beat the Ravens in Baltimore...

Posted by: siris | November 30, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

....as long as we are proud of how hard we fought!

Posted by: reds1020 | November 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

wait....you saw some fight today?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

when you shorten 'daggarforracialjustice', use 'poolman' instead of 'daggar'. My fake name is mine. Until someone else really fakes it, like Nate's friend Nate in the PDX.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse


And here is how we separate the men from the boys ... the cowboys and J Jones. I watch that play with Hall and Springs and think I need to sign them both NOW!!! One as free safety to extend his career and the other who is, as I suspected, a game changer. There's your future defensive backfield looking you in the eye. Why wait?

But Vinnie will probably instead try to draft some useless college type ... sigh ... and Danny will go with it ... double sigh ...


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periculum.........for once we agree, Hall was camped under that like he was waiting for the can of corn to fall off the top shelf, I mean it was almost a fair catch situation......springs came from across the field to screw up that pick.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Vinnie sucks. I knew you all would be sorry if "TOO OLD" Gibbs ever left. Gibbs made the call over Vinnie. Vinnie is the worst GM (even worst than Detroit thought Matt Millen was) in the league. He does need to go. Will he? NO. He is in Danny's crew.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2008 9:52 PM |

I disagree. I believe Vinny will get 1-2 more years to prove himself (or disprove himself would be my guess.) Remeber, this is the first year under the "perception" that Vinny is running the show. He's got 2 years to bring us to the promised land although I don't think Snyder has that much patience.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Watching the Bears-Vikings game, on the 99-yard TD that Frerotte threw, at least one of the Vikings on the sideline stepped into the field of play as the receiver ran down the field. What is the NFL rule on this? Clearly it didn't have any impact on the play, but rules are rules, right? And that's more than 11 men on the field, so...?

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 30, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I do agree that Vinny sucks though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

> I disagree. I believe Vinny will get 1-2 more years to prove himself (or

WRONG ... Vinnie has had more than 2 years to prove himself. Under Spurrier before Gibbs and before Marty. He sucks period. Sorry.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I disagree. I believe Vinny will get 1-2 more years to prove himself (or disprove himself would be my guess.) Remeber, this is the first year under the "perception" that Vinny is running the show. He's got 2 years to bring us to the promised land although I don't think Snyder has that much patience.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, this is probably correct, but God, plz God, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

> I disagree. I believe Vinny will get 1-2 more years to prove himself (or

WRONG ... Vinnie has had more than 2 years to prove himself. Under Spurrier before Gibbs and before Marty. He sucks period. Sorry.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2008 10:02 PM

You need to read the entire post before responding.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd vote for going after DT Haynesworth as a premiere free agent...

The Titans would be crazy not to apply the franchise tag and allow him on the open market.

Posted by: siris | November 30, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

LET TAYLOR R.I.P, SEAN HATED HALF THE FANS ANYWAY. HE NEVER WANTED THE SPOT LIGHT AND NOW ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS NOT A SEAN TAYLOR BLOG.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Suisham 2 for his last 5 and can't get the ball past the 10 on kickoffs.....time for a new kicker?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry scampbell and xjfr2 I am usually right. Right about wanting better deep backs as opposed to d-line types. Right about Campbell, Right about Gibbs.

Based on what I saw they have a great defensive back field. They just need another wide out other than ARE and Thrash. I watched Thrash drop a critical catch that he had. So, perhaps I am wrong about him. He seems slated for specials only at this point. Again Malcom and Devin could not catch key passes thrown to them. Devin did have he great end-around run. But after that? Cooley had great hands today which is why Campbell kept looking for him. And Sellers ... my god he lept over 2 guys!!! How come Sellers can catch balls and Kelly and Thomas cannot?

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd vote for going after DT Haynesworth as a premiere free agent...

The Titans would be crazy not to apply the franchise tag and allow him on the open market.

Posted by: siris | November 30, 2008 10:07 PM |

They'll never let him get away. Fisher is far too smart for that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd vote for going after DT Haynesworth as a premiere free agent...

The Titans would be crazy not to apply the franchise tag and allow him on the open market.

Posted by: siris | November 30, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

They slapped the franchise tag on him last year-- I could be wrong, but I believe a player can't be franchised twice in a row. In any event, I agree with scampbell-- I don't see the Titans letting Haynesworth get away.

That said, if anyone would bet the farm on him, it'd be Danny Boy.

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Sigh, Vinnie will always be there ... even when Marty ostensibly fired him he was still there as a "special consultant". To say Vinnie was ever not involved or not in some respect "running the show" is a bunch of hokem. The guy has to go. But he won't.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd vote for going after DT Haynesworth as a premiere free agent...

The Titans would be crazy not to apply the franchise tag and allow him on the open market.

Posted by: siris | November 30, 2008 10:07 PM |

They'll never let him get away. Fisher is far too smart for that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

scampbell know your info before you post, part of his current contract (the tender he signed) is that if he makes the pro bowl he is guaranteed to make free agency......and he's all but guaranteed the pro bowl

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Just watched highlights of Steve Smith making plays...Santana is NOT a big time player and our receiving corp overall is terrible.

Was at the game and watching to compare the sense of urgency and sharpness between Eli and JC. Campbell moves so slow between plays, like he's under water. Eli was much more hyper and seemingly into and on top of the game. I still think JC's delivery is too long and slow. The pick in the third quarter was totally because he didn't set and throw quick enough. He sometimes makes up for it with the velocity on the ball he throws but he's still too methodical and the overall play of the offense reflects this.

Turner, Spurrier, Gibbs, and now Zorn...we haven't had an offense that scares anyone in years...

Posted by: rwdodd | November 30, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

they can franchise multiple times, but his contract guaranteed that if he made the pro bowl he is a FA..

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

when you shorten 'daggarforracialjustice', use 'poolman' instead of 'daggar'. My fake name is mine. Until someone else really fakes it, like Nate's friend Nate in the PDX.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse


I have no idea who poolman is.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | November 30, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

ARE is a third receiver/slash guy at best. Thrash nothing more than a special teamer. Kelly needs to be on the field more. Seems he could be a little rusty. Thomas looks a little better than earlier but still not enough evidence to call either way. But, there is not a single receiver in this league that couldn't get open given time. Our line gives us none of it. We do not dominate at all. Imagine what Portis could do with a real line. 2000 yard season and a wide open passing game. Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

they can franchise multiple times, but his contract guaranteed that if he made the pro bowl he is a FA..

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Well in that case throw the checkbook at him, Danny!!!

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 30, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: siris | November 30, 2008 10:07 PM |

They'll never let him get away. Fisher is far too smart for that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

scampbell know your info before you post, part of his current contract (the tender he signed) is that if he makes the pro bowl he is guaranteed to make free agency......and he's all but guaranteed the pro bowl

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 10:13 PM

I've never heard of such a thing. He was franchised, doesn't that mean he doesn't sign a tender? He's paid according to position (tops in the league.) If what you say is true then that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why would you accept a clause that says a player can LEAVE if he makes the probowl? Even if this is true, why would Haynesworth want to leave now? His team is kicking a$$. A good contract offer and he stays.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Random Thought:

We should have kept Brooks....

Another Radom Thought:

We need to bring in some kickers....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 30, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Santana most definitely IS a big-time player and #1 WR. Even Randy Moss gets shut down when the entire secondary can key on him. Somebody else needs to step up badly.

Posted by: spizzle | November 30, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Seems you are correct zjfr. What a crazy thing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Suisham 2 for his last 5 and can't get the ball past the 10 on kickoffs.....time for a new kicker?


Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

AMEN!! we mos def agree on that

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

We should have kept Brooks....

Another Radom Thought:

We need to bring in some kickers....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 30, 2008 10:22 PM

I'm sure Brooks is still out there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

This is not a bad team. Not a playoff team. Not in a pretty strong NFC. Could the Skins go on the road and beat the Chargers like Atlanta did today? I highly doubt it.

To me, this is looking like a mostly wasted draft. Yes, Horton is a player and will contribute to this team for years. But the three receivers picked with our first three picks 1) was overkill and 2) seems to the product of poor scouting. Why draft Fred Davis when Cooley is an elite pass catching TE and Yoder is a fairly decent backup? We need an overhaul of the O-line. They looked like road-graters early in the season, but these guys are clearing aging and getting worn down. Love Jansen, but he's not an NFL starter anymore.

So I think no, we won't make the playoffs. 10-6 is within reach. To me, that's a decent season. Disappointing in light of our start, but better than pretty much everyone expected.

Posted by: ghcornwell | November 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

i love CP, but he is NOT as good as Adrian Peterson. No way. He is a top 5 back when healthy, yes. But AP is the best RB in the league, period.

If we don't draft heavy on both lines over the next two years, Soup will never reach his potential. the D will continue to spend too much time on the field and JC will not have time. Heyer MAY be the answer at RT but Kendall has 1-2 yrs left at best, Raybach has slipped, Thomas too I think and Samuels is not getting any younger either. On the other side of the ball, Corny is a beast but is also 32, Carter is serviceable at best, Taylor is gone after this year, and the Golston/Monty are...well, i guess the jury's still out

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins looked awful today. I think Snyder will have to sell the team before we ever get the kind of league mandated, media hyped team that will win a Championship. I am so sick of the NY Giants that I could puke.

Jason Taylor is a joke. Sean Springs finally plays and robs interceptions from Hall. Carlos Rogers thinks he is ready for the Pro-Bowl? He gives a 10 yard cushion and just gives up first downs for free. Blache could see this and adjust but he does not. He does not care. John Jansen, (I defy anyone to challenge this point) is not even a back-up on the top four or five teams in this league. Yet he is a miserable, penalty laden, sack allowing, sad, sad, self embarassing case of a starting linemen for the Redskins. Jansen, where is the self respect Dude? Fake an injury..something. It's pathetic.

I am happy to see other teams fans infiltrating Fed-Ex. The crowd was needed today and was not a factor. Why? The fans don't believe in the ownership, they don't believe in the players, they don't believe in Zorn or the scheme. The fans have been beggging for some real offense. For YEARS. We want some home wins. Some affordable tickets. A home playoff game. A player with 10 to 15 sacks. A defensive touchdown. Anything. It's so sickening watching this team fall in the same ruts under Zorn. Same bad decisions on drafts, same bad decisions on free agents. Lingering with crappy veterans too long, Jansen, M. Washington, Springs, the list goes on and on.

Posted by: DownTownClown | November 30, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

LMG, I agree with you on most except the CP/Peterson comparison. Cp is the best back, and the most complete back in the league. Minnesota can run block like crazy and CP is beat up. Put CP in Adrian's shoes with his competition and he smokes Adrian.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

DownTown, i agree with most of your post (see Taylor, Jansen, Rogers)...but to say Greg Blache doesn't care...well that's just silly talk there dude.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Living in Florida, it will be fun next week watching the "love" between the Baltimore crowd and the Washington crowd. I think I'll just get a brew or two and enjoy. Seriously Snyder should fire himself though.

Posted by: pslhobo | November 30, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

p.s. i agree totally tho that they did not adjust with more press coverage...they must've had 5 easy pitch/catch first downs on the slant against 22...hell if he's gonna play 10-12 yds off the line, I could catch it...well, maybe

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I think Blache cares, he just adjusts too slow.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

scampbell, all I know is if you ask 32 GM's who they'd take, I would bet 20 or more would pick AP. I hear you on CP, he is a complete back but he cannot do what AP can do...now you could argue that AP can't block like CP, ok...but their primary job is running the ball, as you know.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

They would take AP only because he's got many more years ahead of him. Your statement is purely subjective so really proves nothing, besides, I don't believe it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I meant to finish this before posting it. You make some good points but this isn't one of them. Portis runs for roughly the same yardage with a far inferior line and very little passing game to help take the pressure out of the box (not that Minnesota has any sort of passing game.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

ok, fact - he has more rush yards, a better ypc avg, and I believe more TDs. that's fairly objective.

look, i love CP. love him. my favorite player. but he is NOT as good of an overall RB as Adrian Peterson. it's really not a debate amongst experts. i'm not saying i am one, but i am saying that's what the majority of personnel guys and coaches would say

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I understand that Adrian has better stats, I'll give you that. I just believe that he also has a better line to run behind and the competition the Vikes play is inferior against the run than we play. I ca agree to disagree with the best of them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

An excerpt from a letter now being authored by Dan Snyder, this is an special sneek peek just for Washington Post INSIDER.

And He writes;

Dear Fans,

Well, here we are, it's December again, we are 7-5 with four games left. We finally got a favorable schedule from the league, one which set us up to be a playoff contender after early road wins against the Eagles and Cowboys. My fellow owners may have thrown a bone my way with those road victories as well, now that we all share in the revenue and they needed Fed-Ex to be sold out down the stretch. Sorry about all those home losses where you sit in massive traffic jams stewing after spending your whole miserable Sunday out in rain, paying hundreds of your hard earned dollars, to see 7 points on a reverse. The Pittsburg terrible towel thing was slightly embarassing, but like any good business man, I'll forgive you, if you forgive me. Stub Hub forgives us both.

To address some of your concerns, John Jansen has become a real pay-check pillager, after all those re-structured contracts during the Gibbs years made him too costly to cut. I know he is playing on an ankle that does not function, so give him and the team, especially youg Jason Campbell some slack for all those sacks.

Isn't Zorn exciting and different? I think so. Although we may miss the play-offs this year, I am sure you will all be fooled into repeating this pyramid scheme of mine next summer and early fall. Be assured that Vin and I will crank up the marketing machine and sell lots of All Star Jersey's like Cooley, Sean, and Samuels did this past year. We will then proceed to get (1) quality has-been veteran and one or two draft picks that will spike your hopes again and pack the stadium so we can repeat the demoralization again.

I hope at least half of you attend the remaining home games.

Your trusted and supportive owner,

Dan Synder.

Posted by: DownTownClown | November 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Even though I didn't see the game, I'm thoroughly curious. How can a QB get into a rhythm when his receivers aren't open past the sticks, and then when they are, drop the ball? Part of JC's problem has to be the combo of these two, in addition to no protection. I've heard that today the protection was better (comparatively), but even so, when receivers continuously drop balls except one (Cooley), wouldn't you focus on the one person who has decent hands? I think next year Thomas and Kelly will be more confident (know plays) and JC will have more confidence in the both of them.

This will help both of them to be threats, and make the next order of business the OL (and DL). This needs to be fixed in the draft AND free agency if we want to get better now. I can only hope Blache and Bugel put on a freaking clinic over the off season to help develop our young linemen already on the roster and the ones we (one can only hope) draft.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 30, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Gameday/Stadium observations:

1) JURY STILL OUT ON CAMPBELL. Does he need another year in the offense? Is he simply not capable of reading defenses and getting the ball out. WRs did not help, but he held the ball. INT was all on him.

2) HB BLADES NOT A FULL-TIME PLAYER. From my seat, he looked overmatched all day. Too small, too slow, NOT the second coming of Fletch.

3) HALL OVER ROGERS. Both got beat some today, but Hall punishes a QB for mistakes. Rogers couldn't catch herpes in Bmore. If we can only sign one, I say D.Hall.

4) STILL WAITING FOR PASS RUSH. A couple of the sacks today were coverage sacks. It seemed from my seat that Eli had 4-5 seconds to throw the ball more than half the time he dropped back.

5) CUT SUISHAM. There HAS to be someone out there more reliable from 40+. Definitely the most deflating moment of the game in the stadium, IMO.

6) PROPS TO D.THOMAS. I've ripped him all year, but the last 7 yards of his reverse and dive for the pylon was all heart.

7) CP LOOKS DONE. I watched him between plays and going to the sideline. He was just sort of limping around all day. He's trying to be a warrior, but our guy is just busted.

FINAL WORD ON A TERRIBLE GAMEDAY EXPERIENCE. I take one wrong turn off of the Beltway, and I can't get back to my prepaid lot b/c all the roads are one-way toward the stadium. Despite having a pass, I cough up $20 to park or I get to my seat in the middle of the 2nd quarter. I paid $4 for coffee and couldn't even get real creamer (they have dry non-dairy crap). For all the $$ you spend on food/drink, it would be nice to feel like you aren't eating an MRE in a foxhole somewhere. I was reminded why our family gave up season tix. I will never go to FedEx again unless (1) I get tix for free, and (2) I don't have to drive.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I forgot...

(8) JANSEN IS ALL LIABILITY. Heyer cannot be worse than Jansen right now.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

We must lead the league in third down passes thrown two yards short of a first down. Campbells stats are deceiving(60% completion)because he throws short 90% of the time. Our O line doesn't give him time and it appears that Campbell doesn't see the field well. We must have someone open downfield. At least overthrow the ball and streach out the defense. Suisham(75% field goals made) is average at best and can't get kick-offs deeper than the 15 yard line(unacceptable) We need to get rid of Taylor(non-factor)and sign DeAngelo Hall to an extension at the end of the season.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | November 30, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Last night on Redskins Report they were discussing (kind of jokingly) the possibility of the Skins resting their banged up players today (London, CP, Carter, etc.) so they would be ready (healthier) for the final 4 games. Guess we should have done that after all.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 30, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

. I ca agree to disagree with the best of them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

fair enough sir, as can I. night all. don't give up the ship!

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 30, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Feh. So Jansen gets the start because he has these pictures of Bugel? Or is it that Heyer has spent all week acting as the LT to give Samuels a chance to heal?
Jansen might be the weakest link in the chain, but the pressure has come from all over. Maybe Bugel is the problem?

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Night all. Hail

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the Redskins had their QB of the future a long time ago; he's currently playing a nice game against the Chicago Bears on NBC.

Gus is playing better than JC right now.

The universe is a strange and cruel place.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 30, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

1st down: incomplete
2nd down: 2 yard run
3rd down: 6 yard in route

why do i bother going to these games and freezing my behind off, when i know exactly what they are going to do. Hey Jason, this aint joe gibbs, theres more then one guy running a route, turn you freakin head...

Posted by: wfchez | November 30, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Dig up the big man Jack Kent Cooke!!!! Bury the little man Snyder.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 1, 2008 2:15 AM | Report abuse

"To the best of my knowledge, the league hasn't canceled our last four games," left guard Pete Kendall said. "So it seems to me that we still have a chance."


Nicely said, Pete. That chance now resides about 40 minutes north in the form of a game against that team JLaC loves so dearly.

HTTR! Beat the Ravens!

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | December 1, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Snyder MUST GO!

we need to build through the draft .. especally o - line and d-line.

we have nobody any good on either line except samuals and he's getting up there.

you can not win in the nfl against good defences if you can't give the qb any time to through down the field. we also have no posession reciever despite gerbil cerato's horrible draft picks ( there were other good recievers in the 2nd round taken by other teams... we just needed one plus someline men and we'd be way better then 7-5) stop going after name free agents unless the name is Manning. We keep overpaying for guys who the teams they were on don't want anymore they then get injured and don't pla for us no matter what they have left ; j taylor, m washinton, springs, flether, etc. etc, to infinity all they back to when syder was kissing deon sanders on the ass.

Posted by: jrak1 | December 1, 2008 3:40 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are not who we hoped they were. Maybe because it is the 1st year of learning the offense or not enough offensive players on the same page, but it is something.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Just reading the crap from last night you'd think we just lost to the Lions...THIS IS THE NY F-ING GIANTS! DEFENDING CHAMPS! BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE! They've made better teams than us look stupid! My only hope was that we'd catch them napping or that the emotion from the Sean Taylor tribute would be enough to pull the upset. Didn't happen. Move on.

We're 7-5. Last year at this time we were 5-7 and still made the playoffs with a harder remaining schedule than the one we face this year. I would even argue that this year's team is better than last year's team. Even with a loss to Baltimore this team should win the last 3 games to go 10-6. Most years that gets you in. Maybe not this year, but the chances are still good.

Those who are yelling "Fire Zorn" and "cut Campbell" are morons. Just plain stupid. JC is working on his 153rd different offense and is playing the best ball of his career. I guarantee 15 teams would take JC over the QB they have. It seems the dummys trying to get rid of him think that franchise QBs grow on trees. The type of player you're pining for come once a generation. Period. You're probably the same brand of idiot Eagles fans that want McNabb gone are...

Stay medium, folks. Freaking out now is the equivalent of trailing 3 points heading into the 4th quarter of a game and presuming defeat. There's still a lot of football to be played!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

Thanks for putting in writing what I was thinking.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 1, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

One other thought: as I was watching the game yesterday and then watching the Steelers-Pats game afterward, I noticed this team's biggest problem: not enough playmakers. Thank God the Raiders are inept, otherwise we wouldn't have the one playmaker we have (DeAngelo Hall). On defense, save for Hall, we don't have a single player who changes the direction of a game with huge plays. Think about it--as good as London Fletcher is, he's just a solid veteran guy who provides the intangibles you need, but rarely gives you in the big INT or forced fumble that wins you the big game like a Ray Lewis does. On offense, CP and Moss are the only guys who are even close to playmakers.

The Steelers draft playmakers every year. Not POTENTIAL playmakers like the Skins do, REAL playmakers. This is a team of solid veteran role players. They seem to only draft role player types. That's a good thing if you've got a couple legit playmakers on both sides of the ball. But until the Skins are able to get a couple more game changers on their team, it's going to be middle of the road football.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

No problem, Flounder. Just trying to be the voice of reason in the midst of all the lunacy after a loss...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Yes he has impressed. 5:2 TD:INT ratio, 64% completion percentage, solid ability to make plays by running the ball. Good luck in finding the next John Elway, if that's what you expect out of your QB. My guess is this team would be searching for the better part of the next decade if they bailed on a perfectly competent quarterback in order to find the next once-in-a-generation QB in the NFL.

Posted by: spizzle

I would not brag if I had more games played this season than I have touchdown passes. He is quite slow in making decisions and for a guy gunning for a raise, he seems like a man better suited to the bench than leading a team to the playoffs. Which he has yet to do. Watching Ryan and Flacco play, one can appreciate what gifted quarterbacks can do. Sadly, Jason is not in the elite compnay of these good FIRST year quarterbacks, let alone players who have been around as long as he has been.

Posted by: Almazar80 | December 1, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Good comments brownwood26. It's just frustrating to see that (again) this team is nothing more than a just-above-.500 team. Yes, the Giants are a good team but really now, how competitive of a game was that? It easily could've (should have) been 37-7. As is usually the case playing against a good team, the Skins were beaten right from the start; the first drive, bang-bang-bang, TD Giants.

If we get *very* lucky we'll back into the playoffs and will be roadkill for the second seed. Then the Rotisserie Football WIZARDS that run this mess will lean back and say to themselves, "we are awesome". They are not awesome, they're exactly what keeps this team mediocre, at best.

This is not going to change, people are starting to see it clearly, and they are mad. I'm not mad, I'm just tired of being a fan of this low-class, money-grubbing- mess of a franchise. If I don't see any positive changes by midway through training camp 2009 I'm moving over to the Steelers where I can be proud of a team and organization and the way they play, do business, and treat people.

Posted by: kone | December 1, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Part of the problem with being an older guy and having watched four decades of Redskins teams is that you know mediocrity when you see it. Yesterday's version of the Skins was on public display as a team playing without emotion or conviction. On defense--no pass rush still (kind of an automatic around here), no hard hits, horrible tackling from the secondary and soft coverage (look at the space between the receiver and the nearest defender on the Skins vs the Giants). The offense--bad play calling, bad execution, no receiver worth a second round pick after Moss. I love CP to death but he has never played a full season without being beaten to a pulp. Giving him the huge offseason contract was a disasterous mistake of Jansen proportions. CP will limp his way through the season, costing us any chance of breakaway touchdowns. Special teams? You saw it on the field yesterday--the non rush of the fumbled extra point was a prime example of players not giving a darn. Lots of locker room bravo, lots of "21" emotion, but nothing on the field. CP has the heart for the game but not the body for it now, I just wish half the team had his heart.

Posted by: driley | December 1, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

To the best of my knowledge, the league hasn't canceled our last four games," left guard Pete Kendall said. "So it seems to me that we still have a chance."


Nicely said, Pete. That chance now resides about 40 minutes north in the form of a game against that team JLaC loves so dearly.

HTTR! Beat the Ravens!

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | December 1, 2008 3:21 AM |

You guys sure played like the season was already over. Show us something to be proud of. Lord knows I've been waiting a long time. Love this team, hate it's mediocrity. Back to lurking until I see something worthwhile to post on. Hail to all you diehards. Hey Kone, why don't you head over there now. The Steelers have the most arrogant and annoying fans in the league, you'll fit right in.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 1, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday's version of the Skins was on public display as a team playing without emotion or conviction.

I couldn't agree more. That's what piss me off most about this team. It seems in big games they just don't have any fight in them.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 1, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

I hear you, Kone. I've always liked the Steelers too, but I doubt I could switch allegiances to them completely. But this team does have a bloated sense of how good they are and it trickles down to the players. My hope is that that whole ideology changes, though I wouldn't bet on it.

I'm glad this Almazar80 clown is back...dude, you have a ridiculous bar for where you want your QB to play. JC is better than any of the clowns playing the position over the last 10 years and you want him out of here because he's not Tom Brady? Get a grip on reality, son. He protects the ball and manages the game relatively well, especially considering 1) he's got NOTHING to work with at WR and 2) he's learning his 433rd offense in 8 years. Why don't you give the man a couple years in the same system before you speak in such absolutes on his perceived failure!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the Steelers fans have something to be arrogant and annoying about? Maybe we want to be arrogant and annoying too but instead we limp away with our heads down each week while the owner swims in our money?

Posted by: kone | December 1, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad this Almazar80 clown is back...dude, you have a ridiculous bar for where you want your QB to play. JC is better than any of the clowns playing the position over the last 10 years and you want him out of here because he's not Tom Brady? Get a grip on reality, son. He protects the ball and manages the game relatively well, especially considering 1) he's got NOTHING to work with at WR and 2) he's learning his 433rd offense in 8 years. Why don't you give the man a couple years in the same system before you speak in such absolutes on his perceived failure!

Posted by: brownwood26

Why then, pray tell, do guys playing their first year with their first system are doing better than Jason. You can rant all you want, but JC does not appear to be the next Marino. A good backup, perhaps, but certainly not a starter. At least I gave you a few laughs. I do suppose, however, the laughs will be on those who continue to pretend that JC is an NFL grade starter.

Posted by: Almazar80 | December 1, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers have the most arrogant and annoying fans in the league.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 1, 2008 7:35 AM

Agreed, scamp. For such a blue collar town, they have a lot of fans that are football snobs. You'd think they don't play football anywhere outside of Pittsburgh listening to their fans!

While I still think the Skins are in the driver's seat for a playoff spot, I have to agree that this team is mediocre. I would love to watch this team contend for a division title and/or a bye week instead of a damn 6th seed every year!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Kone,

A real fan would never even consider leaving his/her team, so go have fun rooting for the Steelers.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 1, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

JC is a tough call and unfortunately is due a lot of money soon. I like the guy and I think he does an OK job with what he's given but if the money was coming out of my wallet I'd have to pass.

Posted by: kone | December 1, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

If you want to be a Steeler fan than step. Damn I glad I don't have any of you guys standing witb during a tough time.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 1, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Why then, pray tell, do guys playing their first year with their first system are doing better than Jason. You can rant all you want, but JC does not appear to be the next Marino. A good backup, perhaps, but certainly not a starter. At least I gave you a few laughs. I do suppose, however, the laughs will be on those who continue to pretend that JC is an NFL grade starter.

Posted by: Almazar80 | December 1, 2008 7:42 AM

I hope this is a failed attempt at humor...JC is posting a 90 QB rating. That's not starter material? You're talking like there's only superstar QBs or bums like Danny Wuerffel. Where would you rank Trent Edwards? Or Kyle Orton? Guys who won't light up the scoreboard but manage your team well enough to keep you in the playoff hunt? There is an in-between and JC is in it. But once he doesn't have to think every motion through and the offense becomes 2nd nature, he'll improve. You act like he's a 37 year-old QB who is what he is or is on the decline. Dude is just entering his prime, and as long as he's got Zorn here he'll improve. If you've got a realistic option better than JC, I'm all ears.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, I know what you are saying. It hurts. I've been a fan my whole life. Maybe this team isn't my team anymore? I know the days of the Cooke's are gone but wow...

Posted by: kone | December 1, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the game plan that JZ put together yesterday was absolutely ATROCIOUS. Terrible. Absolutely Terrible. He came out the first half of the year and people have figured him out, but as yet, he's not developed a "counter" move to everyone figuring him out.

Not one draw play called against a team as hard charging up the field as the giants.

They threw the RB Screen to Portis for 17, and one to Betts for 8, but then went away from it.

They need to dump the WR screen and NEVER call it again. EVER.

Thrash just needs to go, stop throwing the ball to him, let him return punts, but stop throwing the ball to him.

Why ZERO passes to Thomas until the 4th quarter?

Blache doesn't get away either. 10 yard cushions by the CB's against guys running 7 yard in-routes. Good call. Your CB's got TORCHED by the likes of Domenick Hixon, Kevin Boss, and 58 year old Amani Toomer.

Landry and Horton made Boss look like Tony Gongales, those two missed more tackles than I can to recall.

JZ better come up with a "new" game plan. 10 pts against Dallas, 20 against Seattle, and 7 against the Giants, and the offensive game plan hasn't changed ONE IOTA.....thats called not getting it done.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 1, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

JC is definitely not the problem. Receivers unable to get open or to run a proper pattern is more the problem. Receivers not able to catch a simple pass is the problem. Receivers not knowing what the play called is the problem. Receivers who run 6 yard patterns when it is third and 8 are the problem. Receivers who think that a ball that is lower than their thigh is not catchable is the problem. Receivers who give up on long routes are the problem. Receivers who don't battle the defender for the ball are the problem. Receivers who come to camp that think they are anointed starters are the problem. JC is just trying to stay alive and deliver a pass, what happens after that is more the problem.

Posted by: driley | December 1, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Zorn, JC, game plans, Blache, etc. are not the problem. They cannot protect or pressure the passser. If they can't at least break even at the point of attack they cannot do anything with anybody. They're being physically dominated at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: kone | December 1, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, driley. The QB can only do his job if he's got competent WRs and lineman NOT eligible for AARP who can block. If we got Brady like a$$hat80 suggests, he'd struggle under those conditions.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm pissed so I'm posting again, the 'current' setup of the offense isn't working, and hasn't for quite some time, but NOT ONE change has been made. Not one. JZ still trots out Thrash, still refuses to throw to Thomas or Kelly, refuses to change up the offensive play calling.

How is it that against Dallas Thomas caught 3 passes, but NONE for the next 2 weeks?? How is it that Kelly caught 2 passes last week, but NONE this week??

How is it that they CONSISTENTLY THROW 5 YARD PASSES ON THIRD AND 9??????

That was beyond PATHETIC. JZ you need to fix this shti....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 1, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, Kone. If you put the Skins secondary with the Steelers front 7, you'd have an unstoppable defense. But the Skins build their team in reverse (from the backfield to the line of scrimmage) and continue to pay the price. If Vinny ever wakes up to the reality that the line is where you should be spending the money/draft picks, you'll see the results in the W-L column...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Zorn, JC, game plans, Blache, etc. are not the problem....

Really??? A sack happy team like the giants coming to town, and you don't change your game plan ONE OUNCE?? You don't take their hard charging up the field defense, and use that to your advantage?? Right...good call....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 1, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Damn...Greg is burning! Maybe you should fill in for Jim Rome today!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I thought you'd at least be happy the Pats got their taints handed to them by the Steelers!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 1, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

yeah, I'm still pissed. It just seems to me like we're trotting out the same game plan, week, after week, after week. Last 3 games they've scored what, 4 touchdowns, and this has been going on for a while, and NOT ONE CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE. Its like they're doing the same thing over, and over, and over, and are surprised at the results aren't any different.

Here is what I'd do:

1. Thrash returns punts, and is the #5 receiver, not anything more.

2. Thomas and Kelly are #2, and #3 receivers.

3. Jansen benched, Heyer starts.

4. Portis sits till he's fully healed. No more trying to play hurt, because he's only hurting himself. Betts is more than capable. Not ripping on Portis by any stretch, but he's not helping the team in his current physical stage.

5. Change the game plan, ADAPT it to take advantage of the team that you're playing.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 1, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Gotta say I roll with 70Chip on this. Bet the only movie allowed at Redskins Park is "Weekend at Bernies". They and this blog seem to have a ghoulish fascination with Sean Taylor being shot to death in his own home. His fiancee will be married to someone else and living a pretty normal life long before some of you schlubs get over it. And you didn't even know the guy. Time would be better spent figuring out how a QB coach with no coordinator or HC experience got to the helm of the Redskins. West Coast was tried here before and failed. The East has this guy figured out the 2nd time around. We're about to go 2-4 in our own division after starting 2-1.

Posted by: Schroeder12 | December 1, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

3-step drops with 6-yard curls is all they have time for, that and hand offs to Portis. Jansen should lie down so at least the DE would have to jump over him. And Samuels isn't much better. I feel for these guys - it just isn't there anymore. And the cupboards are bare from all the wheeing and dealing and foucus on dogs like ARE and Smoot.

Posted by: kone | December 1, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I have been one of the biggest JC supporters for the past few years. However, I think his time is over. He is going to be a great QB, but he is simply not working in DC.

He is way too slow in his decision making process. He makes poor decisions. His 4 picks is a joke. He has thrown some horrible passes and is merely lucky that only 4 have been intercepted. It is unfortunate, but his success is going to have to come elsewhere.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 1, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I hope this is a failed attempt at humor...JC is posting a 90 QB rating. That's not starter material? You're talking like there's only superstar QBs or bums like Danny Wuerffel. Where would you rank Trent Edwards? Or Kyle Orton? Guys who won't light up the scoreboard but manage your team well enough to keep you in the playoff hunt? There is an in-between and JC is in it. But once he doesn't have to think every motion through and the offense becomes 2nd nature, he'll improve. You act like he's a 37 year-old QB who is what he is or is on the decline. Dude is just entering his prime, and as long as he's got Zorn here he'll improve. If you've got a realistic option better than JC, I'm all ears.

Posted by: brownwood26

I am saying that Campbell has not shown great strides this year and has not really impressed. If you throw five yard passes all the time, you can get a lot of completions. They won't result in a lot of touchdowns though, which is what is happening. Jason does not react quickly enough to many of the situations around him. Granted, the O Line is not very good, but given that, you need to be able to play through your weaknesses. Campbell has not done that. He may be able to throw well if he's well protected and he has great receivers - but almost any quarterback can do that. Given that he is due for a new contract soon, will you give him six million or more a year to be the Skins quarterback for many years to come? I would not.

Posted by: Almazar80 | December 1, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Put the blame where it belongs: with Jim Zorn and his stale play calling. It seems like the Z-man is so worried about Jason C. making a mistake that he won't call more plays where JC throws the ball down the field. I say put it up there and let those rookies Thomas and Kelly go after it. Sure JC will probably throw some INT's but at least maybe those guys might come down with a few big catches as well. After all, "there is no reward with out risk." Forget the playoffs unless our offense finds a way to score more points, we are doomed.

Posted by: audreyelizabeth | December 1, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

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