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Willis Picks Seahawks Over Redskins

Jason Reid checks in with this bit of news...

Guard/tackle Ray Willis, the Redskins' top free agent target to play right tackle, has re-signed with the Seattle Seahawks, a league source said.

Willis chose to return to Seattle instead of accepting the Redskins' free agent offer.

The Redskins are now expected to pursue Arizona guard/tackle Elton Brown.

By CJ Holley  |  March 6, 2009; 9:06 PM ET
 
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poop

Posted by: amsaul | March 6, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

"I can't get no...satisfaction"
- Mick Snyder

Posted by: rickyroge | March 6, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT PLAYS STUMP RI:

Without Google Help! Who can name:

1) One backup O-lineman from the original HOGS...

2) Darryl Green went to Texas A & I...what city is Texas A&I located?

3) What USFL team did Kelvin Bryant play for?

4) What was Curtis Jordan's number?

5) Who did Stephen Davis fumble the ball on the 1 yard line against that cost us th playoffs?

6) How many INT's did Chris Horton have this season?

7) Sean Taylor played Safety at "The U", name one CB he played with at "The U".

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8) How tall was Wes Unseld?

9) What's more memorable...Dave Butz' battle scarred helmet or Joe Jacoby's club cast?

10) What was the starting D-line for the 91' Super Bowl Skins?

Have at it!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 6, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | March 6, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

1) One backup O-lineman from the original HOGS... KEN HUFF

2) Darryl Green went to Texas A & I...what city is Texas A&I located? KINGSVILLE

3) What USFL team did Kelvin Bryant play for?PHILLY/B-MORE

4) What was Curtis Jordan's number? 22

5) Who did Stephen Davis fumble the ball on the 1 yard line against that cost us th playoffs? oohhh good one??? Cowboys?

6) How many INT's did Chris Horton have this season? 4

7) Sean Taylor played Safety at "The U", name one CB he played with at "The U". One of the Rolle brothers.. can't remember which

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8) How tall was Wes Unseld? 6'9"

9) What's more memorable...Dave Butz' battle scarred helmet or Joe Jacoby's club cast? Dave Butz

10) What was the starting D-line for the 91' Super Bowl Skins? Charles Mann, Tim Johnson, Freddie Stokes & ?????

Have at it!

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | March 6, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad they didn't sign Willis. Why sign Willis if you already have Stephon Heyer? They should be looking at Kalif Barnes or Richie Incognito or someone who rates as a starter.

Posted by: BurgundyNGold | March 6, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Big Mike Clegg!!! Good Run!

I'll give you the Stephen Davis one...The Arizona Cardinals....I still haven't forgiven him.


All others try this after you've stumbled home from the bar...

Posted by: rickyroge | March 6, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully one of the LT's will be available at pick 13.

Posted by: periculum | March 6, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate it!!! That was a good one!!
Cardinals.... dang him! All I can remember about Curtis Jordan is earrings.....

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | March 6, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

to BnG:

both incognito and barnes are already signed. incognito re-upped before the start of FA period and barnes signed yesterday, i believe with Oakland

and wes unseld was NEVER in his life 6' 9"
... more like 6 6 1/2", but built like a tank

Posted by: shally | March 6, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

He prob found this blog, read it and ran as fast as he could back to Seattle......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is prob wishing he listened to Largent's words more thoroughly.

8-8 in his 1st year and you being questioned and the media says your in the hot seat has to be unimaginable to him.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

and i think the davis fumble was recovered in the cardinals' end zone and taken back for a 102 or 103 yd td. i remember spitting up my beer

Posted by: mtskins | March 6, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Who the he77 is CJ Holley?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Springs was no Leigh Torrence, but he had some good years.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 6, 2009 8:45 PM

Best. Post. Of. The. Day.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

5) Who did Stephen Davis fumble the ball on the 1 yard line against that cost us th playoffs?
That was against the Cards in Arizona.
Davis fumbled walking into the endzone, Aneas Williams scooped it up and returned it for a TD. Norv Turner was shown on camera for 10 mins straight with that snake-bit look on his face.
Then our kicker, I believe Husted at the time, missed a 31 yard field goal and another short one later. Again, Norv's face was on my TV for what seemed like an eternity. I think we lost by 3...

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 6, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Stephen Davis fumbled at so many ey times.

Tampa Bay, I think.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

SJK! NOW I REMEMBER! IT WAS THE PHONIEX CARDS......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

...it would be nice to think that the same reporter that raised durability as issue 1(a) with the [Haynesworth] signing would be at least consistent enough not to deflect Springs’ well established injury history as a string of freak incidents. But what can I say, Jason La Canfora doesn’t really care about consistency or what anybody thinks of him, as long as they use the phrase “Jason La Canfora” in doing so. Yeah, I know, I’ve fallen right into the trap...

http://dcmisery.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/and-off-we-go/

Posted by: StuckinTX | March 6, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

What is the best stat of Norv's tenure as a Redskin HC?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

most pock marks on the face of any coach in Redskins history?

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 6, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Besides that LMAO!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Probably realized Seattle had some money left. Plus the Skins were going to make him carry Albert's luggage.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Norv's record of games decided by 7 points or less is roughly 11 - 35.

That's 11 wins, 35 losses (This is a rough estimate as I haven't seen the stat in almost 10 years but remember it well. VERY VERY WELL.

I watched EVERY GAME in the norv tenure no matter how heart breaking they were.

Sniff. Sniff.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people are bashing the FO for trying to build a stouter defense in FA, which was ranked a soft 4th overall, rather than try to build on the offensive side. As poor as our offense was last year, the defense lost too many games for us because we couldn’t stop the run at the end of the game or keep someone from scoring late, nobody feared our 4th ranked defense. Now they do….. Everyone knows that the WC offense takes 2 years for a team to gel and the Skins have no choice but to improve on that side of the ball. I think that 1 maybe 2 of the 2nd round busts could turn into a key contributor this year, give these guys a chance, they didn’t develop because none of the vets knew what the hell was going on either. A slight improvement in offense through knowledge and familiarity coupled with a dominate run stopping - pressure the quarterback defense is what we needed this off season and that’s what we got, assuming the offense improves the chemistry and replaces Jansen. I like what I’m seeing and I hope we use that 13th pick on defense too. Go Skins!

Posted by: BallsDeep | March 6, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

This was a good analysis, quite honestly. Excerpt:

Here’s one last excerpt that I wanted to close this post with. I won’t attempt a response to this, instead I’ll leave it be with merely a wink and a nod to fans of the Redskins, ESPN, or anonymous sources:

Springs was also the veteran leader of the secondary, the old head who could keep the peace and keep egos in check at a position where divas are not uncommon.

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Basically he is saying that a widley-held non secret is that Springs is Deep Cover. LMAO!

http://dcmisery.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/and-off-we-go/

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Why anybody would not like to come here and play for the likes for Vinny is just beyond me.

Posted by: LouLewis | March 6, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Luckily we've got the cap figured out. Danny always gets his man - not Willis though with no cap space. Oh Igor signed with the girls today.

Posted by: thinker11 | March 6, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Unseld was listed at 6'7" When he retired he admitted he was actually 6'5 1/2.

Posted by: TheCork | March 6, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

+++Luckily we've got the cap figured out. Danny always gets his man - not Willis though with no cap space. Oh Igor signed with the girls today.

Posted by: thinker11+++

So what? Igor won t' sell a THIRD the number of jerseys as Haynesworth.

Posted by: TheCork | March 6, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

+++A lot of people are bashing the FO for trying to build a stouter defense in FA, which was ranked a soft 4th overall, rather than try to build on the offensive side.+++---Ballsdeep

More for the way they are going about it, Balls--with an approach that changes each time the wind shifts direction.

Posted by: TheCork | March 6, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michaels called out JLaC (aka 'The Sourcerer') for not attributing the Redskins as his source and always says his sources but the Redskins have already announced said transaction.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Exclusive video of Redskins' capologists at work.

http://worriersanonymous.org/Share/Mnpakettle.html

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 7, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

As poor as our offense was last year, the defense lost too many games for us because we couldn’t stop the run at the end of the game or keep someone from scoring late...

Posted by: BallsDeep | March 6, 2009 11:04 PM

That's what happens when an offense doesn't score and leaves the defense on the field too long. The defense lost too many games? You've got to be kidding! If they lost 1 or 2, the offense lost 6 or 7. Let's look at what the other teams near the Skins in scoring did:

Rank -Record - Team - Games - Pts/Game - TotalPts)
25 (4-12) Seattle Seahawks 16 18.4 294
26 (2-14) Kansas City Chiefs 16 18.2 291
27 (0-16) Detroit Lions 16 16.8 268
28 (8-8) Washington Redskins 16 16.6 265
29 (5-11) Oakland Raiders 16 16.4 263
30 (4-12) Cleveland Browns 16 14.5 232
30 (2-14) St. Louis Rams 16 14.5 232
32 (4-11) Cincinnati Bengals 16 12.8 204


The Skins were the only team in that low-scoring bunch that wasn't eliminted from the playoffs way early in the season. The defense is the only reason they were ever in contention!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins can spend crazy money on a defensive tackle, which was about seventh on their list of off-season priorities, but they cannot sign a decent right tackle which had to be their number two priority (after signing a guard). Now the decent tackles are being eaten up and they will end up spending too much money on some marginal player. I don't get where their heads are (well maybe I do know where their heads are).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

"A lot of people are bashing the FO for trying to build a stouter defense in FA, which was ranked a soft 4th overall, rather than try to build on the offensive side."

And most of the bashing are baseless generalizations that somehow there was an offensive force (or even combination of forces) out there equivalent to Albert Haynesworth. I must admit it's pretty disappointing to see the backup right tackle from the *stellar* Seattle offense, who was forced into playing time due to injuries, re-sign with his former team. I mean if I had my druthers, I'd take a back-up tackle from Seattle and a back-up guard from from Arizona over Albert Haynesworth any day of the week.

It's very simple. Free agency was devoid of elite talents on offense, particularly on the offensive line, and especially ones that are young or in their prime. Defense was not the same in free agency, clearly with Big Al and Deangelo Hall. On the other hand, the draft is LOADED with offensive line talent, from the 1st pick all the way through middle rounds. Meanwhile, the defensive side of the draft class is very weak, with very few elite prospects the Skins would feel safe with.

If the skins neglect the offense in the draft, bash away, and I'll be with you. If not, then this offseason was planned very well, and it'd be VERY difficult to argue otherwise.

Posted by: psps23 | March 7, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

dockery will have 16 holding penalties, all in the 3rd quarter

Posted by: BMACattack | March 7, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Funny someone in this thread mentioned Norv Turner. Hate to say it, but I expect this year's team to be Turneresque.

Games will be lost because of seemingly small things like a missed field goal or a failure to get a key stop in the fourth quarter. These losses will seem flukey, but will be the result of failing to upgrade in relatively low-profile areas: special teams, line depth, etc.
/crystal ball

Posted by: rodeoclown | March 7, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

"Unseld was listed at 6'7" When he retired he admitted he was actually 6'5 1/2.
Posted by: TheCork |"

Amazing. Of course, he was the same dimensions wide as tall.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2009 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs + Mark Brunnell = Losing Season

Jim Zorn + Jason Cambell = Need i place the answer? Folks, as big a Redskins fan i am and hurting to see a winning season, i can't help but face reality and watch history repeat itself!

Jason is not the answer - he is the problem! SOLUTION -Colt Brennan - Heck, we're going to have a losing season anyway, why not give the man some experience? I'd rather see a losing season with a fresh best chance than to watch the inevitable and be pissed off, AGAIN!

This is getting very tedious! We are going for 17 seasons since our last appearence in a Superbowl,in case no one is doing the math!

Posted by: briannalynn21 | March 7, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Brianna, don't get your panties in a bunch. Campbell has this year to prove whether he's the guy or not. This team is built for winning now. So making it 18 years just because you have a crush on the 3rd string qb seems like a crummy way to go.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 7, 2009 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Redskinhead, Defensive takle may not have been the top NEED - that's debateable - but it was definitely the number one way of improving the team in free agency.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 7, 2009 2:30 AM | Report abuse

BTW - The Skins are $8m under the cap after the escalators achieved by Campbell, Rogers and Sellers for 2008 performances impacted their 2009 base salaries.


http://www.adavidmooreorgans.com/pcinoz/Salaries_Pages_Summary.htm

Posted by: PCinOz | March 7, 2009 2:55 AM | Report abuse

That's what happens when an offense doesn't score and leaves the defense on the field too long. The defense lost too many games? You've got to be kidding! If they lost 1 or 2, the offense lost 6 or 7. Let's look at what the other teams near the Skins in scoring did:

Rank -Record - Team - Games - Pts/Game - TotalPts)
25 (4-12) Seattle Seahawks 16 18.4 294
26 (2-14) Kansas City Chiefs 16 18.2 291
27 (0-16) Detroit Lions 16 16.8 268
28 (8-8) Washington Redskins 16 16.6 265
29 (5-11) Oakland Raiders 16 16.4 263
30 (4-12) Cleveland Browns 16 14.5 232
30 (2-14) St. Louis Rams 16 14.5 232
32 (4-11) Cincinnati Bengals 16 12.8 204


The Skins were the only team in that low-scoring bunch that wasn't eliminted from the playoffs way early in the season. The defense is the only reason they were ever in contention!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

I liked this comment so much I wanted to post it again. YES, YES, YES, the freakin offense has got to put up an average of at least 21 pts a game for us to be in contention. Unless somehow we develop a defense like the 2000 ravens we have to move and hold the ball. I like the Haynesworth sighning but the o-line has got to be the primary focus of this team. And like I have said before Campbell has got to show what he is made of this year, and the fans have to keep in mind the state of the o-line he has. But good quaterbacks find ways to win with a sub par line, they get the damn ball out. And I dont care what anybody says, Campbell held on to the ball too long last year.

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 7, 2009 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Alan4: "That's what happens when an offense doesn't score and leaves the defense on the field too long."

That's exactly right. While the offense could eat clock (try the first half of the season), the defense excelled. When the running game stalled in the second half, the defense paid the price.

It's true that the Skins needed to score more TDs. I guess that would qualify as a big 'duh'. But the defense struggled in one area all season, and that's turnovers. They didn't get enough pressure on the QB, and that was actually a bigger problem than the odd dropped INT or missed tackle on a long run.

When the defense did get pressure, as in that second Philadelphia game, you saw what a difference it made.

Most fans hold the players responsible for the lack of pressure, with considerable justification, but to me it looked like a problem with the schemes. Blache oversimplified his defense. He's a terrific coach, but he's not a fan of trickery. Greg Williams was, and the Williams defense was much more aggressive in that sense than last year's Skins.

When you've got dominant athletes at key positions, you can afford to go mano a mano with your opponent. When you don't have that sort of athlete -- and with a few exceptions, the Skins don't -- then you have to take some chances.

If you look at last year's Skins, at least through my lenses, you see a team of great conservatism, on both offense and defense. That stats reflect that. They didn't turn the ball over on offense (a good thing). They didn't get turnovers in their favor on defense (not so good).

You have to take some chances to succeed. Which means you'll make some grievous errors and get second-guessed by the fans and the mavens on this board. So be it.

I say, fire away.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2009 3:47 AM | Report abuse

That's what happens when an offense doesn't score and leaves the defense on the field too long. The defense lost too many games? You've got to be kidding! If they lost 1 or 2, the offense lost 6 or 7. Let's look at what the other teams near the Skins in scoring did:

Rank -Record - Team - Games - Pts/Game - TotalPts)
25 (4-12) Seattle Seahawks 16 18.4 294
26 (2-14) Kansas City Chiefs 16 18.2 291
27 (0-16) Detroit Lions 16 16.8 268
28 (8-8) Washington Redskins 16 16.6 265
29 (5-11) Oakland Raiders 16 16.4 263
30 (4-12) Cleveland Browns 16 14.5 232
30 (2-14) St. Louis Rams 16 14.5 232
32 (4-11) Cincinnati Bengals 16 12.8 204

The Skins were the only team in that low-scoring bunch that wasn't eliminted from the playoffs way early in the season. The defense is the only reason they were ever in contention!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2009 12:07 AM |

This comment was so absurd that I had to post a rebuttal. The Skins defense ranked 17th in interceptions, 28th in sacks and 26th in forced fumbles. On the face of it you have to say that the defense sucked almost as bad as this comment. What these stats say is that the Skins defense wasn't getting turnovers which means that they weren't turning the ball over to the offense with good field postion and scoring opportunities relative to the other teams in the NFL. The FO was very much aware of this glaring deficiency and so far have done the best they could to correct it by getting FA AH. He will create havoc for the opposition's OL, their QB will be running for his life, there will be more sacks and interceptions and their running backs will be coughing up fumbles like a TB patient coughs up phlegm.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 7, 2009 4:13 AM | Report abuse

Who needs him. Even if we go with Jansen or Heyer at RT, we can win. Financially we might as well keep Jansen. We beat the Eagles with Fabini at RT. I hope we take one of the top 4 OT's with that 13th pick anyway.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 7, 2009 4:40 AM | Report abuse

This is the guy that Zorn wanted, right? Zorn wanted Sean Alexander. Zorn wanted Ryan Placemeier. Who else does Zorn want?'''''''''

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

burgundyngold

'...They should be looking at Richie Incognito...'


What has made this difficult is that tape on Richie Incognito has rendered him impossible to scout as, for the most part, he's played incognito.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 6:47 AM | Report abuse

What has made this difficult is that tape on Richie Incognito has rendered him impossible to scout as, for the most part, he's played incognito.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 6:47 AM

If you`re Richie Incognito, and you`re playing incognito, do you put your name on your jersey or not? If you do, well you`re clearly not icognito. And if you don`t, sure you`re incognito but since you`re the only one, you stand out like a sore thumb and you`re not incognito.

No wonder you cant find him on tape. Dude can`t leave the locker room because he doesn`t know which jersey to wear.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

talentevaluator: "Zorn wanted Sean Alexander. Zorn wanted Ryan Placemeier. Who else does Zorn want?"

Long snapper Plackemeier Alexander the III signed today.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

1) One backup O-lineman from the original HOGS... Mark May backed up Fred Dean

2) Darryl Green went to Texas A & I...what city is Texas A&I located? Houston

3) What USFL team did Kelvin Bryant play for? Tampa Bay Lightning

4) What was Curtis Jordan's number? 22

5) Who did Stephen Davis fumble the ball on the 1 yard line against that cost us th playoffs? I think he dropped it on John Geiseck's foot

6) How many INT's did Chris Horton have this season? 1

7) Sean Taylor played Safety at "The U", name one CB he played with at "The U".
Hot Rod Jenkins
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8) How tall was Wes Unseld? 6'6" with a crew cut

9) What's more memorable...Dave Butz' battle scarred helmet or Joe Jacoby's club cast? the helmet

10) What was the starting D-line for the 91' Super Bowl Skins? Charles Mann, Tim Johnson (Mann's charity friend) , the nice white guy and Fred Stokes.

Posted by: donsilvester | March 7, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

antonchigur: "What these stats say is that the Skins defense wasn't getting turnovers which means that they weren't turning the ball over to the offense with good field postion and scoring opportunities relative to the other teams in the NFL."

I've heard it said that the way to win is to have your offense act as your defense -- in the sense of holding on to the ball and keeping the other team's big guns off the field -- and your defense act as your offense. Meaning get a lot of turnovers in enemy territory that you can convert into easy scores.

Or at least, what we hope are easy scores...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I've heard it said that the way to win is to have your offense act as your defense -- in the sense of holding on to the ball and keeping the other team's big guns off the field -- and your defense act as your offense. Meaning get a lot of turnovers in enemy territory that you can convert into easy scores.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2009 7:54 AM

I am so hopelessly old fashioned. I still hang on to the idea that the way to win is for your offense to act as your offense -- scoring a lot of points -- and your defense to act as your defense -- preventing the other team from scoring. When they both do their jobs, you outscore the other team, always a sure path to victory.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

"10) What was the starting D-line for the 91' Super Bowl Skins? Charles Mann, Tim Johnson (Mann's charity friend) , the nice white guy and Fred Stokes."


The "nice white guy" was Eric Williams.

BONUS QUESTION: Who was the other "nice white guy" that was a backup DL on that same team?

The winner gets to flog Snyder 10 times for each crappy FA signing over the past 10 years (that's alot of lashes).

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | March 7, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps they're waiting on Orlando Pace. Speaking of soon to be cut rams, the skins would be wise to look at Torry Holt as well. If they can convince one hopefully the other domino will fall.

Posted by: pettyskins86 | March 7, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

talentevaluator: "I am so hopelessly old fashioned. I still hang on to the idea that the way to win is for your offense to act as your offense -- scoring a lot of points -- and your defense to act as your defense -- preventing the other team from scoring. When they both do their jobs, you outscore the other team, always a sure path to victory."

Interviewer: "So what are you going to tell your team before the game, Coach?"

Coach: "Waal, ah'm a gonna remind'em that if we don't score some point, we got us a problem. Unless we score, the best we can hope for is a 0-0 tie. And like the great Bear Bryant used ta say, 'a tie is no way to win a durned game of football.'

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps they're waiting on Orlando Pace. Speaking of soon to be cut rams, the skins would be wise to look at Torry Holt as well. If they can convince one hopefully the other domino will fall.

Posted by: pettyskins86 | March 7, 2009 9:33 AM

I would say no thanks to 2 more over the hill free agents.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

We flog Snyder for the FA, and Cerrato for the draft, right?

It gets hard keeping it all straight.

Posted by: daggar | March 7, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

...
On the other hand, the draft is LOADED with offensive line talent, from the 1st pick all the way through middle rounds.
...
Posted by: psps23 | March 7, 2009 12:26 AM
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Exactly. And it's long past time for us to add a young and talented player to our O.L.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 7, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Good. This will make us take RT at #13.

We didn't need another crappy RT, we need another G for depth though.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Redskinhead, Defensive takle may not have been the top NEED - that's debateable - but it was definitely the number one way of improving the team in free agency.

Posted by: bangkokben"

So concise, so elegant, so true.

Posted by: psps23 | March 7, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

This comment was so absurd that I had to post a rebuttal. The Skins defense ranked 17th in interceptions, 28th in sacks and 26th in forced fumbles. On the face of it you have to say that the defense sucked almost as bad as this comment. What these stats say is that the Skins defense wasn't getting turnovers which means that they weren't turning the ball over to the offense with good field postion and scoring opportunities relative to the other teams in the NFL. The FO was very much aware of this glaring deficiency and so far have done the best they could to correct it by getting FA AH. He will create havoc for the opposition's OL, their QB will be running for his life, there will be more sacks and interceptions and their running backs will be coughing up fumbles like a TB patient coughs up phlegm.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 7, 2009 4:13 AM | Report abuse

This comment was so asinine that I had to post a rebuttal. So our offense wasn't good enough b/c our defense didn't turn the ball over to them enough?? How many of our drives stalled in the redzone?? Suisham led the league is missed field goals. We HAVE to rely on more defensive turnovers BECAUSE our offense is so freakin' lame. And field position is PRIMARILY a function of special teams, NOT defensive turnovers. You have the causal connections all mixed up, my friend.

And I would like to know which games exactly our "defense lost at the end of the game"??

Was it the Ravens game? When our offense turned the ball over twice on the road in the first quarter with one turnover resulting directly in a returned TD putting us in an early 14-0 hole???

Was it the Dallas game at home? When we had a BETTER turnover ratio than the Cowboys, and our offense only put up 10 points???

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

my take: there was enough blame to go around for second half tank job.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

well said cL.

If this this is proven true, how does it affect our draft:

TITANS MOVING FORWARD WITH TAMPERING CASE AGAINST REDSKINS?
Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2009, 11:19 a.m.

G.M. Mike Reinfeldt hinted at the possibility earlier this week, and Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean reports that it isn’t going away.

The Titans remain interested in pursuing the possibility of charging the Redskins with tampering.

The preliminary evidence that the Redskins encroached on Tennessee’s exclusive negotiation territory before the free-agency period opened? Agent Chad Speck reportedly had dinner with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder at the Scouting Combine.

Haynesworth shrugs the possibility that Speck and Snyder talked about the team’s interest in Albert: “I don’t think so,” Haynesworth said. “Yeah, Chad told me he met with the Redskins at the Combine, but they were talking about Malcolm [Kelly] and how he could become the next Andre Johnson and stuff like that.”

Malcolm Kelly? The next Andre Johnson?

(OK, I laughed so hard I think I need to go change my pants. Be right back.)

So, if we are to believe Haynesworth, his $100 million deal (actually, $48 million over four with $41 million guaranteed) was negotiated from scratch in roughly the time it takes to bake a turkey, at a time when the agent’s phone was reportedly “exploding” with calls from other teams.

Though Wyatt’s article suggests that the Titans are in the process of compiling evidence to support their claim, the reality is that they’ve already got enough to proceed. Apart from the admission from Haynesworth that Speck had communications with the Redskins at the Combine, Peter King of SI.com strongly implied (if not flat-out stated) that the Redskins tampered with Cowboys defensive end Chris Canty, who apparently was the leverage the Redskins used to avoid paying Haynesworth $60 million guaranteed.

The real question is whether Titans owner Bud Adams has the stomach to poke a finger in the eye of a business partner. The fact that the NFL will do nothing about tampering unless and until the aggrieved team objects means that, in many cases, the transgression is overlooked because these teams ultimately prefer to get along — especially at a time when great pains are being taken to demonstrate a united front against the NFLPA.

If/when the Titans file tampering charges, then the league office will track down phone records and e-mails and other evidence aimed at proving — just as the league ultimately did a year or so ago when the Niners were busted for tampering with Bears linebacker Lance Briggs — that the effort to recruit Haynesworth began at some point before 12:01 a.m. EST on February 27.

In our view, there’s plenty of smoke. The Titans simply need to ask themselves whether they’re prepared to ask the league office to go looking for the fire.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

In our view, there’s plenty of smoke.

Well that proves it, then. Why bother asking the league office to waste their time on research when they can just rely on b.s. rumors from butt-hurt babblers?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 7, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

We flog Snyder for the FA, and Cerrato for the draft, right?

It gets hard keeping it all straight.

Posted by: daggar | March 7, 2009 10:19 AM

Are you a newbie up here? The name seems familiar, but if you'd ever posted before you'd know that we flog both Dan and Vinnie and we flog them for everything, including the ketchup at Johnny Rocket's, Tom Cruise's latest movie, and the 8% unemployment rate.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

In our view, there’s plenty of smoke.


Yeah! We have a new Pope!!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

...Talks at the combine and dinner in DC may have been about a rookie client or a client on the Skins.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 5:01 PM

Hmmmm

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 7, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I think barnes is still available. i read yesterday that the raiders deal fell through at the last minute and theres nothing about it today saying he signed on espn.com or other sites.

Posted by: amsaul | March 7, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Please every team in the NFL tampers, Florio said as much in a article last week.

The only way for a tampering charge to go through, is if the Titans go to the league.

The owners normally stick together I doubt this is a big deal.

Plus they would have to prove that the dinner focused on Haynesworth, have fun with that because the agent is saying nothing, and you know Snyder is not gonna tell on himself.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 7, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

you know Snyder is not gonna tell on himself.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 7, 2009 12:33 PM |

Don't be so sure of that. The Redskins are the team who posted videos on their website proving that they'd violated the conditions of the off season OTAs -- too much contact. They lost a couple of days of OTAs as a result.

Anyway, by now they're probably having second thoughts about Haynesworth (buyer's remorse) and would like the league to void the deal and send him back to Tennessee.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

TE,

They wouldn't void the contract, they would take draft picks away.

Why would you have buyers remorse when you got the best DT in the league.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 7, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Best stat of the NORV TURNER era.....are you kidding??

How about the WORST STAT OF THE NORV TURNER ERA???

Only Redskins Coach to lose EVERY home game in a season

Guh....just thinking of Norv Turner makes my blood boil. HE...not Dan Snyder....singlehandedly put the Redskins back a decade.

WORST NFL COACH ...ever.....

Posted by: goosedude | March 7, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. And it's long past time for us to add a young and talented player to our O.L.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 7, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

So "a long past time" equates to last year's draft, when the Skins picked Chad Rinehart in the 3rd round?

Posted by: siris | March 7, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Why would you have buyers remorse when you got the best DT in the league.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 7, 2009 12:47 PM

Buyer`s remorse is about paying too much. Now that Danny and Vinny can`t plug other holes in free agency, losing Willis and Evans, they realize they screwed themselves.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Buyer`s remorse is about paying too much. Now that Danny and Vinny can`t plug other holes in free agency, losing Willis and Evans, they realize they screwed themselves.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 12:58 PM |

They had the money to sign either one of them, they didn't want Evans and we don't even know that they made an offer to Willis.

FA's is not over and the Skins still have plenty of money.

There are players already on the team that need to fill some spots, thats what they drafted them for.

AH's contract is only 7mil in salary cap this year, that is nothing, the dead money for Gibbs pickup Brandon Lloyd 5.6mil.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 7, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"Buyer`s remorse is about paying too much. Now that Danny and Vinny can`t plug other holes in free agency, losing Willis and Evans, they realize they screwed themselves.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

There is that feeling about it. Of course, somebody will argue that the way the contract is structured allows them hidden flexibility to make unexpected free agent acquisitions, yadda yadda, but somehow it doesn't ring completely true.

I suspect we're going to need some serious coaching wizardry before the next season is done.

Oops, sorry, didn't mean to mention the Wizards.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

And it appears from other sites that cover the redskins that they are more than the 7 mil under the cap that JLC posted.

Many on here post like they know what we actually have with our young players, but MAYBE the coaches know more then what we do. Could be Jackson and Wilson are better options than Evans, as well as some of our young ol players.

I agree with Flounder's thought that we may not have offered Willis a contract.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 7, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Guh....just thinking of Norv Turner makes my blood boil. HE...not Dan Snyder....singlehandedly put the Redskins back a decade.

WORST NFL COACH ...ever.....

Posted by: goosedude | March 7, 2009 12:51 PM

Norv isn`t even the worst Redskins coach ever. Steve Spurrier? Richie Petitbon? Mike Nixon?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

So "a long past time" equates to last year's draft, when the Skins picked Chad Rinehart in the 3rd round?

Posted by: siris | March 7, 2009 12:54 PM
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I said young AND talented.

Maybe Reinhart will show us something, someday. But don't forget that the Skins opted to have Geisinger play against Suggs, rather than activate Reinhart (for any game) last year.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 7, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Flounder--According to Jasno, they don't have much money left for FA. He figures they're $7 mill under the cap. They need $3 mill for draft picks and $3 mill for in-season replacements. If Jasno`s right, then they can basically sign one or two at the vet minimum.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/skins_cap_update.html

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

TE,

Jasno doesn't know anyhting about this team, obviously since he gets scooped on every story.

This is from a website I trust way more then the Skins hater JLC.

Current Status - Updated Saturday March 7th, 12:00 PM
2009 Cap Fees for Redskins' Top 51: $105.4
2009 Redskins Dead Cap Money: $11.5
2009 Redskins Cap Total: $116.9
2009 Redskins Salary Cap Limit: $128.4
Current 2009 Redskins Cap Room: $11.5 million

Expected Signings - savings(hit)
Other Offensive Lineman ($4.0)
DL or LB ($2.0)
Phillip Daniels ($2.0)
Pete Kendall ($1.5)
Khary Campbell ($1.0)
Rookies ($2.5)
Players Removed from Top 51 $3.3
Total Expected Signings ($9.7)
Warpath’s Projected 2009 Redskins Cap Room: $1.8 million

Other Ways to Reduce the Cap Number:
·Cut or trade Casey Rabach (clear another $2.3 million)
·Cut or trade James Thrash (clear another $0.85 million)

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 7, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

TE, this site has us 11.4 mil over the cap as of yesterday:

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 7, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that should be 11.4 mil under the salary cap.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 7, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, Curzon,

Thanks for the numbers, explanation, and link. They`re probably all wrong, because I went back and read Jasno`s post and his numbers are from `league sources` which sounds pretty authoritative to me. ;-)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

curzon417: "Many on here post like they know what we actually have with our young players, but MAYBE the coaches know more then what we do."

Well, the coaches are at a big disadvantage. They've been to practice, watched the players, reviewed hours of game tape, talked with the trainers and medical staff, listened to the gossip around Redskin Park...

So how could they possibly know as much as us?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

No takers on question about the "nice white guy backup DL" from the 91 SB team?

No one remembers the great number 99, Jason Buck?

I guess I win, so I get to administer the floggings to Snyder for crappy FA signings. And since I made up the rules of the game, I will flog Vinny too.

So the question to the group is, how many lashes do they each get if the rule is 10 lashes to Snyder for every crappy FA signing in the past 10 years, and 10 lashes for Vinny per crappy draft pick in the first and second rounds in the past 10 yrs?

Just off the top of my head, it's at least 100 lashes each.

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | March 7, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

any further word on either Khalif Barnes' situation, or whether the Skins are actually pursuing Elton Brown ?

Posted by: shally | March 7, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

We flog Snyder for the FA, and Cerrato for the draft, right?

It gets hard keeping it all straight.

Posted by: daggar | March 7, 2009 10:19 AM

Are you a newbie up here? The name seems familiar, but if you'd ever posted before you'd know that we flog both Dan and Vinnie and we flog them for everything, including the ketchup at Johnny Rocket's, Tom Cruise's latest movie, and the 8% unemployment rate.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 12:04 PM |

Heh, heh. Good post. The only thing we don't flog them for is JLC!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 7, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

TE,

You believe JLC's league sorces all you want, if he actually has any.

I'll believe a website thats sole purpose is to track the salary cap for the team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 7, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Frickin' hilarious, Keith Olbermann is such a mega-dooosh!!

I read this and couldn't help but thinking of The Office......Olbermann walking into work wearing his Cornell sweatshirt like Dwight Schrute! Frickin' Bovine college!! ahhhhhh-ha!

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/mostread/s_614704.html

Posted by: filmchis | March 7, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

You accuse someone of being a mega-doosh, and an Ann Coulter link is your support?

(I could agree that K.O. is sometimes a doosh...but he's no Ann Coulter!)

LMAO!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 7, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

K.Olbermann is "sometimes" a doosh?!

Now that's hysterical!!

Lol Bovine and Milk Management!!

Posted by: filmchis | March 7, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

TE:

I am convinced you started following the redskins in about 2002. Richie Petitbon worst coach? He had a no win situation his one year of HC as it was a hangover year from a decade of dynasty. Cooke wanted fresh face in the rebuild and canned him.

butt he also just happens to be the best defensive coordinator the team has ever had and a redskins legend. Not a single person who knows squadoosh about the redskins puts "worst" and "richie pettibone" together...

Seriously when did you start being a fan of the redskins? Not picking a fight i am legit curious.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 7, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Why does the Geisinger thing get brought up as something significant? For the Ravens game the Redskins (because of the stupid rule that you can only activate 53 players for whatever reason)chose to only activate 7 Olinemen. Heyer was backup tackle and Geisinger was backup C/G. When Jansen got hurt early in the game Heyer came in at RT. When Samuels got hurt, they had to bring in Geisinger since Heyer was already in the game. In hindsight they should have immediately moved Heyer to LT and Geisinger to RT but in the heat of the game that was overlooked and Suggs got his sack. From that point on they switch the two and the Oline was OK. I believer they took the chance to activate less Oline because of injuries elsewhere they required more players in those position to be active but I don't remember the specifics. I just never had a chance to comment on this before.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 7, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

you want bad coaches ?

you have to go a lot farther back that that:

mike nixon
bill mcpeak
bill austin
jack pardee (great player- terrible coach)

and IMHO, the worst ever
otto graham. one of the 2 or 3 greatest qb's ever to play in the NFL (yeah, i know i am older than dirt, but graham was equalled in that era maybe only by unitas)

but how bad was he as a coach?
when our rookie DB jim yazoo smith was lying on the ground paralyzed from a hit, he demanded that he be dragged off the field because he wasnt tough enough to walk it off.
sadly, jim never did walk it off.

just awful...that ws his last game as HC, i believe

Posted by: shally | March 7, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Petitbon had the football mind, and yeah, he had pretty bad team on his hands. However, he didn't seem to have the capacity for bullsjk a head coach has to have, and he didn't seem real interested in cultivating it. Nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 7, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

... So our offense wasn't good enough b/c our defense didn't turn the ball over to them enough?? ...

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2009 11:38 AM

Hey, with a better defense than the Skins had, you get four points added to points scored per game because of turnovers and sacks and you get four points subtracted from points allowed per game because there are no 4th quarter collapes and what do you have? The Pittsburgh Steelers, Superbowl champs.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 7, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

... And field position is PRIMARILY a function of special teams, NOT defensive turnovers. ...

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2009 11:38 AM |

Let's put it this way. If your defense sacks the QB (hardly ever with the Skins) then the other team is forced to punt prematurely before it could get anything going offensively and you end up with the ball on the 45 yard line instead of the 20 yard line w/o the sack. What does this have to do with speacial teams? Nothing.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 7, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

One thing is for sure... this fat young-looking version of Roger Ebert is no Redskins insider... I still like reading the comments on this site... when I'm naked.

Posted by: noseman4681 | March 7, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

'...Cut or trade Casey Rabach (clear another $2.3 million)...'


Is cutting the starting center of an aging offensive line to get cap room wise?

Maybe you do it if you're committed to drafting either Alex Mack/Antione Caldwell/Wood, or any of the other quality c/g types in the draft.

But doing so means burning the 13th pick to get the guy if he's there. Do you really want to spent the 13th pick on a c/g type when you don't have a 2nd round pick?

Your suggestion further weakens a weak line as the center does so many things important to line play. Moving a tackle or guard is easy. If the Skins had chased Jake Grove instead of Prince Albert, you'd have a great argument.

Yes: you save $2.3 mil. cutting Rabach, but, I dunno--I'd rather get E Brown in the house and draft a rt.

Maybe Rabach is more valuable than the cap savings. Maybe vision says it's gonna take two-three years to rebuild the skins o-line. The cap space is nice, but let's rebuil the line slowly to make sure the pieces fit.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Monk81

"...nice white guy backup..."

I thought Vanilla Ice was the "...nice white guy back up..." back up for MC Hammer....or are we talking about football?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

Final point on the cutting Rabach to save money issue.

Someone posted a day or two ago that Lo Alexander might be a fine option for the o-line.

I'm wondering: can he play center? Is Jansen or Kendell an option?

If Lo Alexander can, you might have a point as the team could morph him into the position as his playing multiple position suggests he knows how to make line calls and play against the bear-sized dudes that play nose guard and defensive tackle.

Other than that, we'll see what happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

I moved to DC in 1979 from Philly. I started following the Skins about the time Gibbs arrived.

Richie Petitbon was a great defensive coordinator, and he should never have been promoted above his level of competence. I agree that Gibbs got out in part because of the declining talent level as Casserly replaced Beathard.

Petitbon was selected without much of a search and was not as good a HC as Norv Turner, who succeeded him. Although, Richie went 4-12 his one year and Norv went 3-13 his first year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Unseld was 7'0 with the 'fro.

Posted by: MrDumberton | March 7, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Your suggestion further weakens a weak line as the center does so many things important to line play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 4:55 PM

Moe,

I dont think this was his suggestion. I thought he`d just pasted it off of warpath.com as one of the few remaining options to free up more cap space. But, there`s no reason to cut Rabach this year. He still has more in him and we have other more important needs than upgrading at center.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Breath easy redskins fans. Just saw that John Clayton is reporting that TO has a 1 year deal with...THE BILLS!

Posted by: cp4mvp | March 7, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator


That whole cut and paste things folks do is lame.

I'd rather some dude put me on blast for having a dumb idea than working to look smart by trafficking other folks' views as my own.

Everything I post is generally the end result of work avoidance, boredom, or teenage libido issues working their way back up out of my lower half (the area which, as MrsMoe says, isn't really my best half and never was).

The trouble with the cut-and-paste crew is that they're usually the 1st ones to shoot down the original ideas idiots likes me lay out as offerings.

Perhaps they should just suggest shooting us idiots as an original idea.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

TO not only has a deal, but it`s for $6.5 million. Not too shabby, especially after all the money that Dallas gave him last year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

That whole cut and paste things folks do is lame.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 6:17 PM

Well, if you don't realize it's cut and paste then it's annoying. But it seems to me like a good way to share information from outside sources.

And as for original ideas, they're nice. I think I had one once, but mostly my originality is limited to extrapolation or interpolation. Or confusion.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

MM:

What do you mean the cut n paste thing?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 7, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

If TO got $6.5 million guaranteed, you figure that someone out there must have been bidding $6.25 million. I wonder what Dan and Vinnie were doing today?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know where I can find a cheap hooker who takes it in the can?

Posted by: toohoes | March 7, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

'...But it seems to me like a good way to share information from outside sources...'


I guess so.

Perhaps I protest too much.

The issue with me is that constantly reading listings of anonymous college football players by size, position, and scout rankings is uninformative, dull, and self-indulgent.

I can find those sites on my own, thank you, as before I started blogging in RI Nayshun, I trolled them, too.

Any player I've mentioned as someone the skins should chase is a guy I've watched play-- in college or the pros.

I like discussion based on schemes, FO actions, and the general foolishness that is American Culture.

But again: I protest too much.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

toohoes

'...Anyone know where I can find a cheap hooker who takes it in the can?...'


You mean you're done with my mom already...?


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

10) What was the starting D-line for the 91' Super Bowl Skins? Charles Mann, Tim Johnson, Freddie Stokes & eric williams and jumpy geathers.

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 7, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

toohoes you can try your mom

Posted by: jonthefisherman | March 7, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Any player I've mentioned as someone the skins should chase is a guy I've watched play-- in college or the pros.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2009 7:46 PM

As a talent-evaluator, I never recommend them until I've had a chance to look them in the eye, had them buy me a nice steak and an expensive bottle of wine, and generally sized up their character. Any of them that will do that are A+ in my book.

I'm tough. So far, none have measured up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 7, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Fisherman,

Thanks for the idea, as soon as i get myself cleaned up and get your girl out of my house i'll give it a try.

Posted by: toohoes | March 7, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

What is it with the WP sportswriters? John Feinstein who? says" The Redskins completely wasted last year's draft." Colt Brennan is a waste? He will be starting either this year or next and never give up the job! Remember last preseason? He outplayed JC and the senior citizen at backup! All the writers including JLC badmouth the skins! Let's go with another paper!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 7, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

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