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Skins Know They Play Better in Adversity

From Jason Reid

With consecutive losses, the Redskins are among many teams in a muddled NFC playoff mix. Among teams not leading divisions, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have the best record at 7-3. The Redskins, Dallas Cowboys and Atlanta Falcons are 6-4. The Philadelphia Eagles, Green Bay Packers, Chicago Bears, Minnesota Vikings and New Orleans Saints each have five victories.

It could take at least 10 victories to earn a wild-card berth, and even a 10-win team could miss the postseason. "For some reason, when we face adversity, we play great ball, so hopefully that's the way it's going to work out," fullback Mike Sellers said. "We always tend to make it harder on ourselves.


"We're sitting nice and we do things that work against us. Once we get our back up against the wall, we tend to play better."

A four-game season-ending winning streak last season resulted in a wild-card berth. The Redskins, who have six games remaining, face the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday at Qwest Field.

"Right now, we're 6-4, and we've got another game next week," middle linebacker London Fletcher said. "After 10 weeks, whether we were 7-3, 8-2, we still hadn't earned anything yet. We've got a lot of football left.

"Obviously, we would have loved to had that win over Dallas. We would have loved to get that win in the division and also hold the tiebreaker over Dallas. We didn't, so it just makes next week's game even more important."

By Cindy Boren  |  November 18, 2008; 2:00 PM ET
 
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Comments

Figures . . .

Posted by: tafka | November 18, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Early on, lots of people didn't think that Mark Rypien had what it takes, even though he had The Hogs blocking for him and Monk, Clark & Sanders as WRs. There were even people who believed that Stan Humphries (the ORIGINAL Colt Brennan) should be the starting QB. Yet when Rypien finally figured it all out, the Redskins went 14-2 and then won the Super Bowl in the 1991 season.

Jason Campbell doesn't have The Hogs, and he doesn't have Monk, Clark & Sanders. Yet people complain about Jason "only" being a game manager as he continues to learn and improve?

It took Rypien four seasons to get to the Super Bowl with Hall of Fame helpers. Jason Campbell deserves at least as much time and patience, given the talent he has to work with.

Posted by: tafka | November 18, 2008 1:57 PM |

Posted by: tafka | November 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The Source Meter > JLC

Posted by: jmicrodoc | November 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

the punt issue;

the player has to be stopped. his momentum is part of the play. he knew that, when he started going in, he threw the ball back. Campbell was reaching down for it, hit his hands and it bounced back into rock. He was in the endzone at the time. Touch back.

All rock had to do was touch it. no reason to dive. Just like a WR who jumps for a head high ball and it caroms off their chest. just one of those weird football plays.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

And here I thought the problem was the O.L. forgot their maps.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 18, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy that line after a dallas loss.
sorry.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 18, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

that touchback play was such a stupid play by rock...def. a momentum shifter. he did not need to slide on the ground. plays like that makes you wonder about this team's mental toughness. that was a choke job by rock.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Big Mike showed up to play Sunday night.


such a freaking beast

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I know you guys don't exactly need more reasons up here to love Zorn, but check out this Steinberg post: his expressions are classique....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/11/behold_the_faces_of_jim_zorn.html#more

Posted by: Cindy Boren | November 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Saw that cyn, def funny.

I dont know how much Zorns self scouting helped this week.

and Blache should have sold out a blitz on the first drive, every play, even if you give up a TD, get in Romos head, hit him, hurt him.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Cindy how about booting the racist?

Posted by: Gweez | November 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I guess I will have to wait until Linsay Czarniak does the sports report on the local news to get an update on CP's knee. And yes, I will wait.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The rule regarding possession/momentum is ridiculous with regards to downing a punt.

You touch it, it should be dead ball on the spot. Why should I need possession? How can I possess it anyways? I just forfeited possession.

Just as silly is the "can't advance an onside kick/kickoff" rule. Why not? Is it a live ball or isn't it?

Maybe they should call a punt that has been touched by the punting team, yet still has "life", an "undead ball".

Just a dumb rule.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 18, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

cindy cut it... booo

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

true shaun, cause if the ball was on the 20 and rock grabbed and rolled all the way to the 1, they would not have said his momentum carried him all that way.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

speaking of Linsay Czarniak, the opposite of...how does liz crenshaw have a job? she does the most retarted stories...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"I'm shrinking!!!" screams The Blog.

Posted by: tafka | November 18, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Big Mike showed up to play Sunday night.


such a freaking beast

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree but he shows up every game. He's such a monster too. I still can't get over the fact that he makes 80% of the other players on the field look like average sized Joe's. He's a monster.

Posted by: Gweez | November 18, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Zeebs,

It gets worse. You know what they do in that instance? PLACE THE BALL AT THE SPOT OF THE ORIGINAL TOUCH!

So, "momentum" only counts in certain instances, and you can't take advantage of "momentum"!

Wonderful, isn't it?

You touch it, that's it. I just don't understand some of the rules the NFL comes up with - silly rules that require FURTHER rules to help interpet the first rule.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 18, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

tafka, we're not asking him to win the superbowl we're asking jc led offense to score more than 1 TD a game.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Do you think the Giants or Titans play soft until they are losing?

We need to develop a killer instinct. We need to get back to power, Redskin football, and run over teams, whether they like it or not.

Start this week by running for 200 yards. Were gonna need it vs NY.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, you all know how I ramble on and on about us needing year round football in DC. Dan finally covered something I mentioned on this blog, his blog and in random chats and stuff.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/11/dc_gets
_indoor_football_team.html

Don't ask me why I get so into this minor league stuff, I cannot explain it myself.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Zebra, thnx for the splanation. I was just asking about the rules. At the time, it seemed like a valid call (even though I was pushing hard for Zorn to throw the flag).

There was another close call that was bogus. I'll go back and find it.

Posted by: dcsween | November 18, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I wish they would pretend their back are against the wall before their back are actually against the wall. One day in my adult life, I would like to attend a home playoff game. The only way that happens is by winning the division, which means not having play with your backs against the wall just to make the playoffs. It means not disappearing EVERY November.

I am sick of this. Why can't our boys bring the same intensity and focus to every game as if their backs are against the wall???????????????

Posted by: keino83 | November 18, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

sween it was the TD by barber...it wasn't a TD

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

why cant they play well under any circumstances, they shouldn't only play well when they face adversity..

Posted by: rachel216 | November 18, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

no such luck rypien, we just arent that team.

SEA - Win
GMEN - Loss
Ravens - Loss (cause we choke against them)
Cincy - Win
Eagles - Loss
SF - Win

9 - 7 miss the playoffs. We lose to the teams that can push us around (which you may say the Eagles?! yes, them too) and beat the ones we can push around.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Still a minute left. Bad call. The play did not break the plane when his elbow was down. THAT is one the Giants would get sanjacinto.

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2008 9:37 PM

Yes, it was Barber's non-TD TD.

Posted by: dcsween | November 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that a couple of our guys have been partying late and not taking the game seriously as we all think they are. I have not heard any names confirmed but if I were Zorn I would be laying down the law in that locker room right now.

Look for a serious story about that to come out if the skins keep losing. The only people I know about who are pushing to find anything are WJFK's Junkies.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

rachel, admit it, you were on Matt Terls blog calling for Colt werent you?

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

keino, it starts at the top. with the coach. you guys rember when #28 used to field punts? that was D green?! he wasn't exactly built like sellers was he or even cartwright.

field position has been a problem for the skins all year so why not put santa back there returning punts atleast couple of times a game? that would send a signal to the whole team. that it's time to get serious. why is portis coming out of the game after gaining 20 yards? he could stay in the next play and not carry the ball if he's hurt. everyone knows he's the #1 weapon they need to shut down against this team so if he's sitting on the sidelines...who they're going to worry about? tip top burglar?

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Was this Adversity guy number 94?

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The most disturbing thing regarding the officiating was the lack of offsides calls in the game.

I remember the Cowboys jumping on more than a few instances, and there was no flag...seemed Campbell snapped before they got back.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

zeese, the junkies have more of a anti-skins bias than JLA...

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

Go to Jackson's at Reston Town Center. You can see all your favorite Redskins. I've been three times and seen 6-7. We aint talking special teamers either.

Posted by: Gweez | November 18, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

regarding the punt, If it is not the first touch, why wont someone trying to down the ball "accidentally" knock the ball closer to the end zone and then gain possession, that seems valid to me.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | November 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

meant to say out of breath not "hurt"...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

alex, not sure I buy that...got anything more substantial...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Dealer should be our new Offensive Coordinator. He can fix anything.

Anyone who can get Jerome Harrision (who?) and JJ Arrington (almost who?) to show up big in FF in the same week, come from over 25 down to pull out a last minute (literally) win ... You The Man!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

WJFK still had a grudge against Dan Snyder ever since they lost the radio broadcast rights, which I think was the same time that Frank got fired from the play by play & Larry Michael took everything over.

Though none of that means the stories are untrue. There was that guy who called into vinnys show about Kelly being in a club at 1 am before the game.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

the best thing we can hope for is NO MO' PRIME TIME GAMES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if i was snyder and they try to move the ravens game to nbc...i say hell no!

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
I got nothing better than anyone else. I just keep my ear tuned into the radio eyes on the TV/Paper and Blog and Google. I mean there is nothing wrong with it until it gives us a loss.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Dealer as usual. Love my 1 pm games.

Posted by: Gweez | November 18, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Ya correct me if I am wrong, but we are 5-0 @ 1:00 and 1-4 at 4:00, and prime time games?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

St Louis was a 1pm game. we have only played 4 4 and later games

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

No Alex i believe the Rams game was 1.

Posted by: Gweez | November 18, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Ah,
A game I missed, stupid grandmoth's birthday..

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

no, we have played 5 late games, we beat cleveland and dal. we lost to sea at 1. So 2-3 4-1

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

not sea, stl, doh

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

at least we don't have donovan mcnabb...

Posted by: carsonspence | November 18, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

regarding the punt, If it is not the first touch, why wont someone trying to down the ball "accidentally" knock the ball closer to the end zone and then gain possession, that seems valid to me.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | November 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse
It is marked at the farthest place from the goal line that the ball was touched before it was controlled.

If the ball bounces at the 5, our player tips it (first touch) at the 3 and knocks it backwards to the 7 where 2nd player catches it and controls it, the ball will be marked at the 7.

If the first touch is at the 7, and player pushes it to another player at the 3 where it is controlled, it will be marked at the 7.

If player 1st touches it at the 3, but can not stop his momentum and carries it into endzone, ball will be marked at 20 (touchback).

Posted by: frediefritz | November 18, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles should have traded McNabb last off-season to the Bears.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"It is marked at the farthest place from the goal line that the ball was touched before it was controlled.

If the ball bounces at the 5, our player tips it (first touch) at the 3 and knocks it backwards to the 7 where 2nd player catches it and controls it, the ball will be marked at the 7.

If the first touch is at the 7, and player pushes it to another player at the 3 where it is controlled, it will be marked at the 7.

If player 1st touches it at the 3, but can not stop his momentum and carries it into endzone, ball will be marked at 20 (touchback).

Posted by: frediefritz | November 18, 2008 3:12 PM"

Was that supposed to clarify everything????

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Per the NFL, yes truth....

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Was that supposed to clarify everything????

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Not everything. On this blog, that would take forever. Just answering theFreshinAU's question about tipping the ball toward the goal line to get a better spot. Cannot be done under the rules.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 18, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"It is marked at the farthest place from the goal line that the ball was touched before it was controlled.

If the ball bounces at the 5, our player tips it (first touch) at the 3 and knocks it backwards to the 7 where 2nd player catches it and controls it, the ball will be marked at the 7.

If the first touch is at the 7, and player pushes it to another player at the 3 where it is controlled, it will be marked at the 7.

If player 1st touches it at the 3, but can not stop his momentum and carries it into endzone, ball will be marked at 20 (touchback).

Posted by: frediefritz | November 18, 2008 3:12 PM"

Was that supposed to clarify everything????

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

It does clarify things for people educated either north or south or east or west of Georgia

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Per the NFL, yes truth....

Posted by: Zeebs"

I'm gonna punch you in the eye

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for linking to it, I admit i did it a couple of times,

but doesnt this seem as more contrived FO BS... cant our players get in on their own merit and popularity... oh wait, thats right, it shouldnt be a populairty contest!

http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/11/18/redskins-fans-are-good-at-voting/

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"It does clarify things for people educated either north or south or east or west of Georgia

Posted by: zcezcest1"

good news since I'm east of Georgia, moron

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I love to see that truth...

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

In punting situations inside the 20, I think too much emphasis is placed on downing the ball at the 1. I think anything inside the 5 is great. I think the gunners should try to catch the ball on the fly (assuming punt returner is not trying to field it), rather than letting it bounce. Too many times the bounce gets away from the gunner(that may be why LT was released) and goes into the endzone.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Every future opponent of the skins already know that if they put up 14 points on the board they will beat the skins. It's a sad but true fact that 14 points is all you need to beat this conservative team that seems to be coached by "Coach Zibbs"

Posted by: pennstate1 | November 18, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"I love to see that truth...

Posted by: Zeebs |"

you WOULD love to see that or you (do) love to see that?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse


COUNTER-MEASURES

The Redskins used to have a play called the counter Trey. It started with the back stepping away from the direction he would end up going. It gave the blockers an instant of hesitation on the defense's part, which was often all they needed for a good blockign angle and a big gain.

Lots of teams have adapted the play.

The Redskins have trimmed off the fake that starts the play. As a result, no trickery, less influence, fewer yards.

Someone please ask why. I've watched other teams. They still fake.

Posted by: TheCork | November 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Despite their preventing turnovers and running the ball well, the Redskins have serious concerns when it comes to scoring points and sustaining drives. The offense averages only 19 points per game, 26th in the league and only better than (in order): the Seahawks, the Lions, the Chiefs, the Rams, the Bengals, and the Raiders. The combined record of those five teams? 8-46. The Redskins have a net of three points on the year, and until the Steelers game, they had not had a contest that was decided by 10 points or more. The Redskins have seven rushing touchdowns, ranked 20th in the NFL, and nine receiving touchdowns, tied for 23rd. In contrast, only two kickers have attempted more field goals than Shaun Suisham (Stephen Gostkowski in New England and David Akers in Philly). The Redskins do not have difficulty moving into opposing territory, but once they get there, their drives stall and they are forced to settle for field goals. To illustrate my point, I’ve included a handy chart:"


http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=4704

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"In punting situations inside the 20, I think too much emphasis is placed on downing the ball at the 1. I think anything inside the 5 is great. I think the gunners should try to catch the ball on the fly (assuming punt returner is not trying to field it), rather than letting it bounce. Too many times the bounce gets away from the gunner(that may be why LT was released) and goes into the endzone.

Posted by: frediefritz "

are you blaming The Real LT, Leigh Torrence, for getting himself cut? It's obviously the FO's fault for letting a Pro-Bowler go.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

+++Skins Know They Play Better in Adversity+++-HEADLINE


A ha!! THAT's why they keep Vinny. He assures they will have adversity.

Posted by: TheCork | November 18, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

that should be 'I'd' you c-sucker

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:30 PM"

do you feel like a bad dude when you call people names?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

zce, i was thinking more like a GM position. c'mon nate! can i put you guys down for reference? i would absolutely suck at the oc position or any coach. my fav. offense is run and shoot.

totally off the subject (of course!) i was just thinking about how as 30+ year olds these players take so much crap from their bosses(coaches). they're chewed out in public. they're treated like pieces of meat. and yet they're millionaires.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

That is a sign of a bad football team. Good teams handle winning and keep the foot on the gas pedal. Bad teams read newspaper articles and don't get better. As you win you have to continue to strive to get better. This team looks like they are getting worse every game. Going out to Seattle will not be an easy game. The Redskins last six games will all be tough. Bottom line they have to win five of the next six or this season is in the toilet. They will have nobody to blame but themselves for an awful season!

Posted by: bigjofc | November 18, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

no, you are the one who calls people names, that is just an honest assessment of who you are....

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes the skins are moving the ball between the 20 yard lines but will stall in the Red zone. It's almost like once they get close to the end zone, Zorn flips over his play chart the has G.C.P.C. at the top of the page which stands for....
Gibbs Conservative Play Calling"

Posted by: pennstate1 | November 18, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Vinny pick up Adversity in the second round of the 08 draft?

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 18, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

anyway, noticing from some of the video, the boys ate Fletcher for lunch... they had a lineman on him all day. that is the main reason the boys moved on us so well coming down the stretch.

and the moss catch, the ball was behind him, he tried to adjust, it was just too hard. To expect him to make that catch is hard. he makes spectacular plays, he just didnt have that one in him.

Thomas should have made that catch...

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Also noticed on our TD drive, the formation that got us the 6 yards on 4th and 1 was jumbo, and the TD was play action outta jumbo.

Zorn has to go two WR, max protect and let campbell have time for the WR to come open. Just like the throw to EL, he had time to wait for the route to open up. Maybe less 3 and 4 WR's and More TE's or extra blockers in to help...

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

They will have nobody to blame but themselves for an awful season!

Posted by: bigjofc | November 18, 2008 3:37 PM |

Dude, this is America. There's always someone else to blame. In the Redskins case, if you've been reading the blog, these are all possibilities:

1. Dan Snyder
2. Vinnie Cerrato
3. The Washington Post
4. Joe Gibbs
5. The referees
6. The guys who made up the schedule
7. George Bush
8. FedEx Field
9. Native American Sorcerers
10. The uniforms

Personally, I blame Jack Kent Cooke. What a twirp.
11. etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

So, out of this game the two biggest keys are;

Keep fletcher clean (im looking at the DT's) so he can run side to side and make plays all over the place.

Keep Campbell clean, protect him, throw it farther than 3.9 yards down field and loosen up the D for CP.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes, dealer, I would wholeheartedly recommend you to serve as the general manager for any NFL team... aside from the Redskins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 18, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

On Puntergate... I miss the coffin corner punt.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 18, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

TE, about the uni's... we need white on white. Or Red on White. Red on Red and White on Red just aint cutting it.

Sorry, as an athlete I have superstitions as well....

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

12. Robots.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So, out of this game the two biggest keys are;

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:44 PM |

I'm sticking with the keys to the game that Alex posted on Sunday. Dude knows how to get it on:

1. Redskins jersey
2. HDTV
3. Bowl of chili
4. Redskins mug full of dark beer

I would add, turn off all the telephones in the house, but then that's good advice anytime.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

13. JLA

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

What can I say, I know how to live.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Well I could be wrong, but I believe Adversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the civil war era.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 18, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Actually, i figured out our mojo stealer... its those DAMN cheerleaders!

They move into the Home locker room hallway, and we get our... um... all bent outta shape (or should I say in shape).... damn the NFL>

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think its time for Sherriff Gonna Get CHa?

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

14. LaVar

Posted by: 4-12 | November 18, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

15. Rally Rags

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

16. Larry Michael
17. Chris Larry
18. Dallas
19. Chirs Collinsworth.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Vinny pick up Adversity in the second round of the 08 draft?

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 18, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Adversity, thy name is Vinny.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

nate, look deep inside you where there is only love and truth and answer me this: you think i would do a worse job than vinny? VINNY???????? c'mon!!! if the answer is "yes". then...then.........then you sir, are a racist! ;) you betcha!

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

TE that is preposterous...there is no such thing as Native American Sorcerers. Now Native American Shamans certainly have something to do with it.

Posted by: Gweez | November 18, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"no, you are the one who calls people names, that is just an honest assessment of who you are....

Posted by: Zeebs"

in your wildest dreams, fairy boy

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

20. Redcoat watching the games!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I'd like to see them play better in Adversity, but more than that I'd like to see them play better in Landover.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

19 Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: Gweez | November 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

20. Redcoat watching the games!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting a fighting fund to pay me not to watch any more....

"Will not-watch for food"

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

lol @ stumpy...yes adversity and wonder lick flunks...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

LEAVE LAVAR OUT OF THIS

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

21 Terrible Towels

Posted by: Gweez | November 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

22. The curse of leaving for Maryland.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I'd like to see them play better in Adversity, but more than that I'd like to see them play better in Landover.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 18, 2008 3:59 PM

See, this is why I blame Jack Kent Cooke. And, it's not Landover. It's RalJon. Even has its own zip code. That was the real Redskins jinx.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

LEAVE LAVAR OUT OF THIS

Posted by: TheTruth11
THATS WHAT SHEE SAID!

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

... I'd like to see them play better in Landover.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Now I know what the problem is! Landover sounds an awful lot like 'Land Rover' - which as anyone who's ever owned one will tell you is one heck of an unreliable vehicle. Looks great BUT; breaks down on a whim, won't work if you so much as look at it the wrong way, and always costs a fortune to keep running.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

There are two flags on the play. Personal foul on The Truth, making a threat. Personal foul on Zebra, retaliating with name-calling.

These penalties offset, the down will be replayed.

I have reminded the players that any further transgressions will result in their ejection.

Please reset the game clock to 4:20.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 18, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

b-mitch just said that it is the o-line. it's not jc. and if someone is watching these games it is clear that it is the o-line's health. they are not healthy. my question is then what is heyer doing on the bench? if samuels is hurt then put him in on LT. if jansen is getting bounced like a 4 year old then put him in on RT. let's go let's go let's go! only 6 more to go.

i'm hoping though...that kelly makes the active list this week.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Is RalJon a curse or jinx? If so what are the rules of said curse/jinx?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Now I know what the problem is! Landover sounds an awful lot like 'Land Rover' - which as anyone who's ever owned one will tell you is one heck of an unreliable vehicle. Looks great BUT; breaks down on a whim, won't work if you so much as look at it the wrong way, and always costs a fortune to keep running.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:03 PM

The exact opposite. The Redskins play well under Adversity. The Land Rover breaks down under adversity.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

why can't they just play well?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 18, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

If Kelley's in will someone put a note om his shoelaces so he'll know when to stay or go out? There is so much BS with this team,it's unreal.

Posted by: ridgely1 | November 18, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

In the realm of hopeful thinking, there is this...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/dom_bonvissuto/11/18/playoff.projections/1.html

obviously King and Z are not a part of the projectors!

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

wha? there's a fight and i didn't realize it? hmmmmmmm must have the red filter on...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Wait, The Redskins play at Landover.... Landover sounds like Land Rover.... Red Rover Red Rover.... Clifford the big Red Dog, Georgia Bulldogs.... the Truth.

I think I know whose fault it is.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The exact opposite. The Redskins play well under Adversity. The Land Rover breaks down under adversity.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Colo(u)r me puzzled t_e ...

... if "4th down and 4 with 6 minutes left while down 4 points" isn't 'adversity', what exactly is?

Or is it that they need fair warning of adversity of something. you know, so they can have a week to galvanise themselves for action, like such as, maps, etc. ?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

obviously King and Z are not a part of the projectors!

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 4:07 PM

And they're going to have this guy, Bonvisutto, fired for drinking too much at lunch.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Last comment of the day,

truth, this is why I say you need to seek help, you make a statement, then claim that i am coming at you and acting like the tough guy.

you always start it, and you always go crying foul first... so who really is the fairy boy?

thanks for the flag nate, i will take it under advisement...

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

oh, TE, last thing, on that link, check out what they project Carolina to do.... at 8-2 missing the playoffs...

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat--You doubting the adversity thesis? Don't take it up to me. I heard it from none other than Mike Sellers: "For some reason, when we face adversity, we play great ball, so hopefully that's the way it's going to work out," fullback Mike Sellers said. (see post at top of page).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm cool with that t_e, but that's a rather awkward looking 'hopefully' sat in the middle of that sentence, isn't it?

But I'll let you tell him he seems to be hedging his bets a bit....

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I think when Adversity sees Mike Sellars, it runs the other way.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the flag nate, i will take it under advisement...

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 4:12 PM

Does this mean you're throwing your red flag and challenging the call on the field?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

There are 5 teams (with a combined record of 6-43-1) that have scored fewer points that the Redskins. While our defense has been stout, I think we proved that they are over-worked. (see marion barber v redskins D for the last 6+ mins of the game). In this league, you need to 25+ points- we haven't.

Simply put, our offense must improve. Campbell can't keep taking these long sacks, Zorn needs to be more creative and trusting, Fred Davis needs to study, Randel El needs to stop returning punts and start being apart of more gadget plays, Jason Taylor needs to be healthy, Jasen needs to remember that he's a stud, kelly needs to heal up, and Rogers needs to learn how to catch. A contending team simply does not let a rusty tony romo walz in, throw 2 INTs and still win.

Crowd noise: I have been to each of the past 5 Redskins v Cowboys games at FedEx, all were louder than Sunday Night.

That said, I'm not giving up- but please, please don't tell me the emperor is wearing clothes when he's clearly naked.

Posted by: HonestSkinsFan | November 18, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"Per the NFL, yes truth....

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 3:19 PM"

that was the first idiotic comment you made, insulting me.

Don't get mad you got PUNKED

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

That said, I'm not giving up- but please, please don't tell me the emperor is wearing clothes when he's clearly naked.

Posted by: HonestSkinsFan | November 18, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Would you believe that the emperor is wearing a body suit?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Crowd noise: I have been to each of the past 5 Redskins v Cowboys games at FedEx, all were louder than Sunday Night.

Posted by: HonestSkinsFan | November 18, 2008 4:18 PM

I can help you with that. There was a strong, strong wind. It blew all the noise right out of the stadium and over to Annapolis. Also, the Redskins played a lot better in those other games.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Supposedly 17 redskins lead in pro-bowl voting. JUST LAUGH.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/11/redskins_successfully_make_moc.html

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Speaking purely as an interested bystander, the one thing that puzzled me about Sunday's game was NOT the drops, or porous o-line play, that stuff just happens sometimes.

It was that when the game was on the line and Dallas took over the ball with 6+ minutes left even the most clueless of observers (aka me) could tell that they were going to tell Marion Barber to stuff the ball up his shirt and run with it pretty-much every down.

And yet the Skins D could do nothing about it.

Your D went very quietly. That would bother me a lot. I saw plenty of that the last 10 years in Miami where the 'top 10' defense that Jimmy built would just go missing at the end of the close games. Sure our offense stunk most of those years and the D would keep us in it, but when the game was on the line at the end we'd never make a play and stop the other team. Never.

And the defense would come off holding their heads high because "it isn't our fault we didn't score enough points".

I really hope you guys don't have to get used to seeing that.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

two days have gone by and no posts of jasno talking to his nfl executive sauces (someone from the ravens and charlie casserly) telling us that our o-line isn't playing well and leigh torrence woulda down that punt at 1...

i think that's the longest jasno has gone after a loss right?

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

deal agreed on the problem being the O-line. Portis has no room to run, and JC has no time to throw. Heyer needs to play...enough with the jansen thing.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"It does clarify things for people educated either north or south or east or west of Georgia

Posted by: zcezcest1"

good news since I'm east of Georgia, moron

Posted by: TheTruth11 |

Truth ... its about where you were educated, not where you are now. But you need to actually read what I wrote to get that. Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

again, can everyone read truths statement, where he says I made fun of him?? Did you get picked on a lot as a kid? Hypersensitive a little?

So i can make it simple you your feeble mind, the NFL doesnt make anything easy to understand, hence my comment. Nothing about you... but you can feel that way... im out for the day. keep crying if you want. i may look into what your responses later, but really i already know what they will be.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 18, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat--

The reason the D looked so bad in the last six minutes is because of what happened during the first 54 minutes. They spent too much time on the field, and they were beat. This is what the Redskins used to do to teams.

I don't think it was a surprise, at all, nor a mark of a bad defense.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I blame Nixon.

Seriously. Mike Nixon.

'skins coach back LLLLLLOOOOOOOONNNGGG ago.

I was at St. Thomas More, Mike went up for Communion and the parishioners booed him. (The 'skins were something lime 1-10 at the time--I may have joined in.)

That's when the curse started.

Posted by: TheCork | November 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Truth ... its about where you were educated, not where you are now. But you need to actually read what I wrote to get that. Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Posted by: zcezcest1"

never went to school in the state of Georgia, nor did I ever claim to. Again, I've gone to school my entire life east of the state of Georgia.

But AGAIN, way to go!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

lol @ "zcezcest1" thinking he really got me that time

FAIL

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Supposedly 17 redskins lead in pro-bowl voting. JUST LAUGH.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 4:25 PM

And this probably doesn't even count Leigh Torrence, who's probably the only Redskin who will make it. Wait, what about Derrick Frost, Billy McMullen, and that Mason guy we let go? They'll all be in Hawaii, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The reason the D looked so bad in the last six minutes is because of what happened during the first 54 minutes. They spent too much time on the field, and they were beat. This is what the Redskins used to do to teams.

I don't think it was a surprise, at all, nor a mark of a bad defense.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

You lost the time of possession 31:14 to 28:46. When Dallas started that possession your defense had been on the field 3 minutes LESS than theirs had.

What I mean was, in those circumstances someone steps up and makes a play, or at least doesn't go quietly. It just surprised me that nothing much happened in the whole 6 minutes, it all just seemed inevitable.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Headline says Redskins play better under adversity. That was true under Gibbs. Gibbs owned December. Hopefully the same will be true under Zorn.

Posted by: HighPlainsDrifter | November 18, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"again, can everyone read truths statement, where he says I made fun of him?? Did you get picked on a lot as a kid? Hypersensitive a little?

So i can make it simple you your feeble mind, the NFL doesnt make anything easy to understand, hence my comment. Nothing about you... but you can feel that way... im out for the day. keep crying if you want. i may look into what your responses later, but really i already know what they will be.

Posted by: Zeebs "

lol

all I got out of that paragraph was "I'm gonna take my ball and go home"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

And this probably doesn't even count Leigh Torrence, who's probably the only Redskin who will make it. Wait, what about Derrick Frost, Billy McMullen, and that Mason guy we let go? They'll all be in Hawaii, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Dan does not mention non-starters making it. Willing to bet that JC is like the no-2 QB.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"Billy McMullen, and that Mason guy we let go"

Try Canton....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

LEAVE LAVAR OUT OF THIS

Posted by: TheTruth11


Can you say, overrated?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 18, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

What I mean was, in those circumstances someone steps up and makes a play, or at least doesn't go quietly.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:36 PM

Redcoat, did you miss it that we cut Leigh Torrence? We don't have any playmakers left.

Thanks for setting me straight on the stats. You're right, and I'm wrong. (I should program my computer so that when I hit the @ key it autocorrects to "You're right, and I'm wrong.")

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if anyone else added this, but here's the Pro Bowl vote per PFT:

The initial numbers are in as to Pro Bowl ballots cast online and via wireless devices.

And the overall leader is Saints quarterback Drew Brees.

The other top ten vote-getters are, as follows: (2) running back Clinton Portis, Redskins; (3) quarterback Brett Favre, Jets; (4) quarterback Eli Manning, Giants; (5) tight end Chris Cooley, Redskins; (6) receiver Santana Moss, Redskins; (7) receiver Larry Fitzgerald, Cardinals; (8) quarterback Jay Cutler, Broncos; (9) quarterback Jason Campbell, Redskins; and (10) tight end Jason Witten, Cowboys.

Fittingly, the team from Washington, D.C., is getting the vote out. In addition to having four players in the top ten overall, a whopping 17 others are leading the NFC at their respective positions.
--------------------------------

Way to get out the vote Redskin Nation!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"A game I missed, stupid grandmoth's birthday.."

Alex,

That should be "grandmother's stupid birthday". Shame on you.

Posted by: Markin21132 | November 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"LEAVE LAVAR OUT OF THIS

Posted by: TheTruth11


Can you say, overrated?

Posted by: lsskinsfan "

yep, but definitely not in LaVar's case.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"Billy McMullen, and that Mason guy we let go"

Try Canton....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 4:39 PM

You're referring to the one in Maryland, right? -- not the one in Ohio.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I was aware of your loss of the Real LT, it came to me as "I felt a strange disturbance in the force last night. It was as if a million voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."

It's not about right or wrong t_e, who knows or even cares about that. I'm just saying as a fan who had to suffer through many years of "our D is great but we got worn down" that at some point they have to step up and not accept losing.

I can't for a moment imagine the Jints, Steelers or even (Gawd help us) the Ravens accepting being beaten that way.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

HA!

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"Billy McMullen, and that Mason guy we let go"

Try Canton....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 4:39 PM

You're referring to the one in Maryland, right? -- not the one in Ohio.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps you hadn't heard. The one in Ohio was renamed Torrenceville last week.

Posted by: Gweez | November 18, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

two days have gone by and no posts of jasno talking to his nfl executive sauces...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2008 4:25 PM


So you're saying that sometimes when Jasno posts, it's really the sauce talking?

Posted by: freakzilla | November 18, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you.

Posted by: Markin21132 | November 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Marc!

Are you sure that Alex doesn't have a Grandmoth?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Man I knew we were in trouble Sunday night when two interceptions ( we don't get them often ) did not turn into any points !

Anyone else notice the Skins' always underachieve in primetime (Monday, Sunday nights)? Wonder when the last time the skins won a night game ?

I don't buy the "play better w/ adversity" line. We were still 2 games behind the division leader and just got our butts kicked by Pittsburg... is that not enough adversity? Do we just strive to barley make the playoffs as wildcard team and that's it ?

NOT LOOKING GOOD !!!!

Posted by: cwprice2 | November 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

te, any day now, when Mason registers his first NFL stat, you'll realize the enormity that Marcus Mason is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Grandmoth Tarkin.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I heard a rumo(u)r that Marcus Mason was actually Leigh Torrence playing under an assumed name.

He knew he was good enough to play both ways but couldn't persuade anyone to let him try in the NFL (still won't use his Jedi mind tricks). The Skins only found out when they realised that although they had both phenoms on their roster only one of them was drawing a salary...

Posted by: Redcoat | November 18, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

te, any day now, when Mason registers his first NFL stat, you'll realize the enormity that Marcus Mason is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 4:53 PM

Also be on the lookout for Kenny Watson and Ki-Jana Carter. Those guys are on the rise!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm so weary. they have to throw more to thomas else he's never going to improve. with our O-line we know we can't rely on CP and Moss alone, with Cooooley staying home to block most of the time. We're losing as it is, how could it be worse? Quick slants, easy catch, see if he can run and use his size. Kelly is dead to me this season until I see otherwise, IF fit I think he may be better than Thomas. IF Stephen Hawking had legs that worked he might be Hussain Bolt, but we'll never know...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | November 18, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice the Skins' always underachieve in primetime (Monday, Sunday nights)? Wonder when the last time the skins won a night game ?

Posted by: cwprice2 | November 18, 2008 4:53 PM


Last season.

Week 2, Mon. night: Skins 20, Eagles 12

Week 14, Thurs. night: Skins 24, Bears 16

Week 15, Sun. night: Skins 22, Giants 10

Week 16, Sun. night: Skins 32, Vikings 21


4-0 in prime time last season. This year, not so much.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 18, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone else notice the Skins' always underachieve in primetime (Monday, Sunday nights)? Wonder when the last time the skins won a night game?"

Posted by: cwprice2 | November 18, 2008 4:53 PM

I agree. They have been terrible at night this year. But, their hot streak at the end of last season was almost entirely on Sunday Night. I know because I was out of the country and the only games they showed were NBC Sunday Night games. I was able to see all of the Skins last three games. They need to finish strong again this December.

Posted by: SportzWiz | November 18, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Truth -- how far east of Georgia?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"Billy McMullen, and that Mason guy we let go"

Try Canton....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 4:39 PM

HOF class of 2023:
Marcus Mason, Leigh Torrence, Anquan Boldin, Shaun Shuisham

you heard it here first

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

RC,

Perhaps he does have a grandmoth. He does seem a little flighty at times.

Posted by: Markin21132 | November 18, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Truth -- how far east of Georgia?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 5:16 PM


Truth is a mer-man. Or didn't you know?

Posted by: freakzilla | November 18, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

As far as having no pass rush, I think we should start Jason Taylor on the right side, since he's now healthy, and let Andre Carter be the situational pass rusher. Andre Carter has shown me nothing this year and he has been healthy.

Posted by: Rusty6392 | November 18, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Truth went to the Community College of East Charleston of the South or something like that.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 18, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Rusty -- mostly agree. Except that Carter should spell Taylor and Evans on the other side. Carter is a pass rushing DE without the pass rush. Jason Taylor hasn't shown anything either, but at least he has upside as he is finally healthier and in better game shape.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

somoene asked me the other day, "why all the hate for TheTruth?"

looks like i'm not the only one who thinks he is a clown.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 18, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Don't wait for adversity,you think the Giants are waiting for adversity? they like being in first place ask the Ravens,Steelers,and everybody else they have kicked the krap out of this year they are the total package they have players that contribute on each and every play good depth at the wide receiver position and at the running back slot,their GM knows what he is doing thats why they are a threat to go back to the Super Bowl,Eli is not that much better than Jason(he's thrown more picks) but its his supporting cast on offense specifically the o line and rb's and wr's plus the D is stellar,now we've got better db's but their pass rush is dangerous as we found out in the first game,not so sure about that adversity statement.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 18, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I believe that a clown is the mascot of the College of East Charleston of the South

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 18, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Count me in the group that thinks the 'adversity' comment is garbage. If they didn't learn to live life with a sense of urgency after what happened in 2007, I can't imagine what "adversity" will be needed to awaken them in 2008.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Look, we all know that the adversity thing is an excuse...however, if it helps them get motivated down the stretch, that's all fine with me...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 18, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

No More Red Pants!!!

Red Pants: 0-3
White Pants: 6-1

You can look it up. I don't believe I'm the first to notice this, but I don't sit around reading this board all day.

Who do we have to petition to get white pants the rest of the season? It's urgent.

And I don't think there are any league rules about it-- the jerseys are the only thing that's the choice of the home team.

Posted by: KAR18 | November 18, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree, it is totally the pants.

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 18, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

cwprice2, I mentioned the "Prime Time Curse" repeatedly the week before the Cowboys game - everyone probably got tired of me mentioning it.

Last year is last year....we did win primetime games then. But this year, nada. At least all our primetime games are over.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 18, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

In the Post's 'Interview with a Zornstar' a couple of weeks ago, they asked Zorn to describe his day... starts at 5:15am, and by "10pm I'm pretty much useless".

Not sayin', just sayin'...

Posted by: daggar | November 18, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

wondering who will be on our O-line next year? who's going to be a FA? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 18, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

No more prime time games, unless we get flexed, which is possible. Under NFL rules, we can still play up to three more prime time games (max is 6).

I'm casting a suspicious eye at weeks 14 and 16.

The scheduled Sunday night game for Week 14 is New England @ Seattle. Yawn. We play @ Baltimore, and both are likely to be fighting for wild card berths in our respective conferences.

The scheduled Sunday night game for Week 16 is San Diego @ Tampa Bay. We play Philly. Depending on what happens to Tampa and Philly down the stretch, our game may have more implications.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 18, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

lsskinsfan,
I'll play, but I don't know who's contract will expire this year:

Samuels - keep, a few good years left.
Kendall - Is Rinehart ready or for real? One more year for big K.
Rabach - Serviceable but small. Is Geisinger ready or for real? Probably not. Free agency maybe?
Randy Thomas - Time is catching him, but on a bad day he's better than Fabini. A real need here. Fabini will become roster casualty.
Jon Jansen - Stephen Heyer is his understudy. Heyer will probably start next year. Backups needed at tackle. Does Janson ride the pine behind Heyer and Samuels? Or is he a casualty?

The talent is fading and the backups are thin. I predict big plashes in the off-season, no matter how the season ends.

That is unless we don't bring in more pass catchers.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 18, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Couple of questions
1. Where is Leigh Torrance now?
2. Seemed like for quite awhile people on these blogs were calling for LT's head... that he wasn't cutting it. Personally, I don't recall him being particularly good or bad. What's the real story on him and his performance?

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 18, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Mike went up for Communion and the parishioners booed him.
Posted by: TheCork | November 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that sounds like Philly!

Posted by: frediefritz | November 18, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Rypien had one of the best offensive lines in football where the backups could start on pretty much any other team. And so he also had a superior running attack. In the beginning he used to fumble snaps, trip and fall over linemen's legs because he couldn't get back fast enough. Later, when the hogs were "disbanded" by Casserly the same thing happened again under Petitbone.

But Rypien was a thinker, very smart and had a decent arm.

Campbell has all of that and then some plus the mobility. His line has improved this year, that is marked by the improved running attack featuring Portis. He is still shy receivers. After Moss and Cooley no one else has stepped up. Including Randle El. Then the dinks and dunks started to the running backs. Especially
Betts and he was re-injured.

Rypien had Monk, Clark, Sanders. All performed extremely well. Their H-backs also were often in the mix. The line was so good any running back could get 100-200 years. Witness the one game wonders like Timmy Smith.

I don't think this line measures up to that yet.

However, on the other side of the ball the defense has an opportunity to be one of the best ever for the Skins. If Sean Taylor were still alive they would be RIGHT NOW. Taylor and Landry were GREAT picks by Williams and Gibbs.

Then, that is how championships are won. It starts with a great defense.

Posted by: periculum | November 19, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

“Skins Know They Play Better in Adversity” … Hmmm, I don’t know, the situation Sunday night sure looked pretty adverse to me… maybe you should change that to read “… SOME Redskins’ Play Better under Adversity”… London Fletcher, Chris Horton, Clinton Portis, Mike Sellers…

Posted by: oda155 | November 20, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

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