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It Can Get Late Awfully Early

With that Giants game behind them, the Redskins can now do some serious lip-smacking over the next three games: St. Louis, at Detroit, and Tampa Bay. ... Or can they? Although it's early in the season, it may already be must-win time, according to Tracee Hamilton.

Coach Jim Zorn likes to divide the NFL season into four quarters, like a football game. (Or a dollar, for that matter.) If we follow suit -- if we examine just those first four games -- the only acceptable outcome is 3-1.
Anything less, and it really may be go time -- as in, "away."



By Cindy Boren  |  September 15, 2009; 6:24 AM ET
 
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Comments

We've said this before, and then end up losing/barely winning.... a la Rams last year.. Bengals.... Browns.... Seahawks...

I think well be sitting at 4-2 or 5-1 though.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 15, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

First?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 15, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

1st to say 3-1

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 15, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"It's done get over it..."

Doncha love it when the head cheerleader wants to change the subject?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 15, 2009 9:21 AM |

Don't you love it how one of the main haters, dwells on sh_t thats done an over with. They signed him so crying about does who any good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 15, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

So who has an opinion on Horton vs. Doughty? I thought they both played reasonably well. Doughty was a bit more prominent, but I think that was mainly because Blache tweaked the defense to put the SS in position to make plays in the second half.
But was that because Doughty's better, or maybe Horton's coverage skills have improved, or just because of game circumstances?

Posted by: daggar | September 15, 2009 9:48 AM |

Posted by: daggar | September 15, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

hope they come out angry on Sunday, someone, zorn, blache, I don't care who it is, needs to rip this team a new one, and have them in a lather come Sunday.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I am thinking 2 and 1 through the stretch... My prodiction we will try and sit on a 3 point lead letting one of these teams hang around late to beat us late in the fourth quarter...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 15, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

In the NFL its never to early to look at playoff scenarios....I was already spinning the Eagles butchering of Panthers in my head and rooting hard for Miami to beat Falcons....

These are of course must win games if you want to be in the playoff soup come Turkey day...last years debacle with Rams had gynormous PO implications.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 15, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I am thinking 2 and 1 through the stretch... My prodiction we will try and sit on a 3 point lead letting one of these teams hang around to beat us late in the fourth quarter...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 15, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm remaining optimistic with 3-0 against these terrible teams. I think against these lines (which compared to the Giants are much much worse), we will dominate the LOS and run all over them and get sacks and turnovers. I think against these poor teams we'll show what our team is built to do (ideally). But then it will be back into the gauntlet vs capable teams that can exploit our weaknesses and subdue our strengths like the giants did. That's when we start going .500 again.

Posted by: rexforab | September 15, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I hope that they remember that the Rams beat them at home last year.....


With better playcalling, more downfield attacks, and improved defensive play on third downs --- 3-1 at the quarter pole.

With same playcalling, same percentage of downfield attacks, and same defensive performance -- 2-2 at the quarter pole.

Posted by: smurff1 | September 15, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Can I get a courtesy beep? Sheesh. From previous thread:


ken, no kidding, how often is Lavar over at practice, how many guys on the team does he talk to....I'm guessing the answers to those 2 questions are not ever, and none....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

For all I know, the Skins have a restraining order keeping Lavar out of the Park, since he obsesses over his missing $6.5 mil like the kid from Better Off Dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUU9UmT134M

I WANT MY $2!!!!

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 15, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

dag, I thought that doughty played a lot on sunday, saw him in the backfield couple times, saw him come on a blitz once or twice as well, same with Horton, thought he played well...I'd say that rotating doughty/horton is a good thing, but then that might mean that either guy out of shape....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Doughty is good near the LOS, playing more like a 46 safety, he is to small to ever be a LB but 46 safety is a good specialty for him.

Horton is better in coverage. He makes plays on the ball more then he does on the ball carrier.

Use them to their strengths. And after last week I would rather see those two in the game over LaRon, and yes I realized as I typed that how dumb of a statement that comes out as.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 15, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

daggar,
I think Horton and Doughty both played well. Blache obviously wanted these guys up close for run support and they did their jobs.

All in all, I was happy with Blache's scheme. I think there was some weak tackling that the team needs to work on this week, but the defensive game plan was solid. They went in wanting to limit Jacobs' impact and they did.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I'd say that rotating doughty/horton is a good thing, but then that might mean that either guy out of shape....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Yeah, cuz according to Lavar, rotating players just means your starters are out of shape. We should just go with 22 players, plus a kicker and a punter on game day. The starters should play on special teams too. Keeps em in shape and builds character. That's how Bobby Mitchell woulda done it.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 15, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Before anywhere declares victory for Sunday...

Sting lingers as Redskins lose to underdog Rams

October 13, 2008

The Skins better come ready to play... I dont want a win. I want them to crush the Rams. Zorn stop trying to be cute establish the run early and if that doesnt work move to shotgun and take the handcuffs off... The time is now Skins fans have waited 4 years let Campbell sling it! If we lose this game there will be serious implications for you and Campbell...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 15, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

what if we fielded an entire team of marathoners? they're in shape...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

All in all, I was happy with Blache's scheme. I think there was some weak tackling that the team needs to work on this week, but the defensive game plan was solid. They went in wanting to limit Jacobs' impact and they did.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 9:59 AM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

RedSkinHead,

What did you think of there (in)ability to get off the field on third downs? Not picking a fight -- just curious what others thought...

Posted by: smurff1 | September 15, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I did not like blanche's scheme, kind of Tampa-2 w/no help preventing the pass down the middle of the field.

One thing I will give LaVar credit for, he called Wise's show to help explain that D-philosophy and did a good job, though in a mocking manor.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 15, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I gotta chime in on the previous post:

What was the percentage of plays Haynesworth played on Defense? If no one has charted that, everything else is irrelavant.

About Brown's Comments:

That's a good tactic on our part for him to act hurt so he can get our players adjusted, I ain't mad at him......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 15, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

bc, agreed, this whole idea of being a smashmouth football team to me is just misguided, its not 1983 anymore. throw the ball...use the pass to set up the run....friggin drafted 3 guys to catch passes, how about using them.

watched a clip on the game where campbell went over the line and threw the int...Thomas is running 5-10 yard behind moss, without a person around him....gotta start using their assets....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

What was the percentage of plays Haynesworth played on Defense? If no one has charted that, everything else is irrelavant.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 15, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I thought I saw a number somewhere of 65%, but can't back that up with a source.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 15, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

what if we fielded an entire team of marathoners? they're in shape...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Haynesworth actually uses a marathoner as his shoulder pads. Just straps the lil guy across his back and throws on the jersey.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 15, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

smurff1,
I think bend but don't break was the mantra of the day. They had eight guys in the box so the defensive backs were largely in a soft zone. Once the field shortened this became more effective. I thought the stop on fourth and inches was fantastic. I think the defense getting the interception was another highlight. Moving forward, the defense can definitely play better, but that's not the problem. The defense's worst enemy is an offense that cannot sustain drives. Fix that and no one will be talking about Haynesworth and crew being winded...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

you know that when the defense is watching the film of the game, blache is gonna tear Hall/Smoot a new one, and rightfully so...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

What do the following coaches have in common?

John Fox
Jack Del Rio
Gary Kubiak
Dick Juaron
Jim Zorn
Marvin Lewis

Answer: Their teams weren't prepared to win and played poorly or made studpid mistakes. They are also on the "who's gonna get fired first" list.

Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

FACT: Chris McAlister is close to signing with a team.

FACT: The Redskins need to be that team.

FACT: While he may older, and lack blazing speed, he is a veteran presence who can surely tackle some receiver named Mario in the open field.

FACT: The Redskins have the cap space to make this happen asap.

Posted by: cj658 | September 15, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

and i made a studpid mistake, too. that should have read "stupid"

Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

What was the percentage of plays Haynesworth played on Defense? If no one has charted that, everything else is irrelavant.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 15, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I thought I saw a number somewhere of 65%, but can't back that up with a source.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 15, 2009 10:10 AM

Well, I'm running with these numbers until someone disputes them....

By that, Hayneworth exceeded expectations. I am very satisfied with him. Lavar has an agenda.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 15, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I hate being a nit picker but Zorn was a College level OC for 2-3 years 92-94, I really wish people would at least give him partial credit for that rather then pretend he never had the job.

Posted by: alex35332

Please tell me you're kidding, alex.

Since you hold his offensive coordinating experience in some what high regard, would you care to share where he "grew of age"?

Let me help you.

Zorn was the offensive coordinator at Utah State... who the f is Utah State? furthermore who the f was Utah State back then?

And even if that did matter, he was only offensive coordinator for two, count 'em TWO years. If he was anything as a OC you gotta believe that he would've got other opportunities. But no, other than HC for the 'skins the only coaching position he has held was quarterbacks coach.

My bad he was also an "offensive assistant".

whoop-de-doo...

Zorn sucks. Play-calling, sucks. Leadership, sucks. His whole goofy ass persona, sucks.

Posted by: RedDMV

Posted by: RedDMV | September 15, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I think Horton and Doughty both played well. Blache obviously wanted these guys up close for run support and they did their jobs.

All in all, I was happy with Blache's scheme. I think there was some weak tackling that the team needs to work on this week, but the defensive game plan was solid. They went in wanting to limit Jacobs' impact and they did.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse
So, with Steve Jackson on Sunday, do we use the same scheme? Avery and Robinson don't scare me as WR's. Seems to me that we need to swarm all over Jackson.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 15, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Last comment re: L.A.:

I'll never forget seeing ARRINGTON running along the sidelines and bouncing up and down on the just, and I mean just, repaired knee. Like a day or two before.

I thought, that idiot is going to hurt himself again before he even gets onto the field. Sure enough later in the game, along comes a comment that LaVAR had limped into the locker room. The dude did himself in. I love the intensity, but totally misplaced. No wonder the coaches were dismissive of him.

And I will NEVER buy a Mercedes just because of that IRRITATING ad in the right hand column .

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 15, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

@Chris larrY -

You like my 2 team special upset last night?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 15, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth played in 53% of Tenns total Defense in 07 they franchised him in 08' writing into his contract that if he played 60% of the plays (or make the pro bowl) he could shed the franchise tag...

He is a gifted player nobodys argueing that. I think he could be even better given some serious work in the gym. I know Flounder21 says get over it I just dont see our he is supposed to take us from a total collapse the second half of last season to a Super Bowl this year?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 15, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

We'll be 4-2 headed into the MNF at home with Philly. If we can win that headed into the bye, we'll be off to a great start.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 15, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

re: Team fitness

The defense let up drives of 12, 10, and 6 plays, killing over 16:00 of the first 20:00 minutes off the clock to start the game. They made themselves tired by not closing the Giants out on third down. That wasn't a fitness problem.

re: Jason Brown

His comments rang true. On the goal line stand, Haynesworth went down for a play, looked like he was hurt, walked off, and was back on the field the next play. That's a savvy veteran move. It automatically slows the tempo of the offense.

Posted by: psps23 | September 15, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

frediefritz:

I'll roll with that. Besides it's the aspect of the defensive game they've had the most practice in.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 15, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead,

What did you think of there (in)ability to get off the field on third downs? Not picking a fight -- just curious what others thought...

Posted by: smurff1 | September 15, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse
I have to give credit to Gints' Oline. They were giving lilbro time to pick a receiver.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 15, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

bc, agreed, this whole idea of being a smashmouth football team to me is just misguided, its not 1983 anymore. throw the ball...use the pass to set up the run....friggin drafted 3 guys to catch passes, how about using them.

-BTownGREG

FACT: That is one of the best quotes I have read in quite sometime. Greg hit the nail on the head.

FACT: The Giants could not really stop the Skins passing game at all. JC looked pretty comfortable overall, except for two critical errors, one of which cost the game. The Redskins need to ditch the old Gibbs crap of “smash-mouth” football. They do not have the line for it, nor the tailback.

FACT: The Skins strength is their receiving corps. Teams must utilize their strengths.

FACT: The rams defense is not a fraction as good as the Giants defense. JC “should” have no problems carving them up.


Posted by: cj658 | September 15, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

cocodc1... he didn't do anything to disrupt the game. He made 1 game changing play and for a man who was paid 41 million guaranteed thats not good enough. He was in the back field a few times, but he spent as much time off the field as he did on. I agree when he played he got some penetration and pushed the line back, but thats not 41 million dollars worth of production. It may not be fair but thats how life is when you get paid that much... gotta produce game changing plays consistently or people will be upset...

Again, I say give him time, and the defense time. Last year we got run over by the Giants, literally, and this year we did not. Our D stopped the run for the most part. Now we need to learn how to get off the field. Luckily its still week 1... so lets stop all this panic cr&* sjk now please... it is early and we have time to adjust...

Too bad our offense simply is not good.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | September 14, 2009 4:18 PM


Comments like this just amaze me. Do you not understand the massive impact that something like D-Line penetration can have on an offense? I did not see a single play where Haynesworth got less than two yards of penetration into the backfield, and that is regardless of how many people were blocking him. That kind of dominance at the line of scrimmage is worth EVERY PENNY of his contract because it makes everyone around him better. It lets linebackers flow better, it lets D-ends attack the pocket without worrying about double teams, it kills interior running plays, eases the load on the secondary, and in general makes a defense better. The onyl thing sunday proved about Haynesworth is that he can't defend against an offense by himself. Poor tackling and stupid mistakes in the secondary caused infinitely more problems for us sunday than Haynesworth taking a breather did.

Posted by: ecale25 | September 15, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

frediefritz,
I think you're right. Use the same defense - possibly throw in a few new wrinkles - and I think they will be successful. The Rams gave up three sacks against Seattle and I think we have a better defense. I could see Carter, Orakpo and company racking up a few more sacks.

On offense, this one is easy. The Rams gave up 160 yards rushing to a Seattle team that doesn't have much of a running game. Maybe this is the week Zorn activates Marcus Mason and runs 50 times.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"hope they come out angry on Sunday, someone, zorn, blache, I don't care who it is, needs to rip this team a new one, and have them in a lather come Sunday."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Bean, everyone, you all have watched Zorn's pressers I'm sure.

If that gump was to start yelling and get animated, would that inspire or intimidate anyone here?

Look at Zorn, hear his voice, and honestly ask yourselves that question.

When he goes on one of his so-called tirades, I'd be the dude that blurt out a giggle or two at his lame ass.

Zornball = Cornball

Posted by: RedDMV | September 15, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

smurff1,
I think bend but don't break was the mantra of the day. They had eight guys in the box so the defensive backs were largely in a soft zone. Once the field shortened this became more effective. I thought the stop on fourth and inches was fantastic. I think the defense getting the interception was another highlight. Moving forward, the defense can definitely play better, but that's not the problem. The defense's worst enemy is an offense that cannot sustain drives. Fix that and no one will be talking about Haynesworth and crew being winded...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse
right on, RSH.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 15, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

He is a gifted player nobodys argueing that. I think he could be even better given some serious work in the gym. I know Flounder21 says get over it I just dont see our he is supposed to take us from a total collapse the second half of last season to a Super Bowl this year?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 15, 2009 10:20 AM |

Who ever said he was going to take us to a SB, this team needs other pices for that to happen. He is a very solid player who will help the defense in many ways. The offens is the problem, but who would you have signed on the line. Even if they had drafted an O-Linemen do you think they would have been ready to play day one.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 15, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

FACT: I had raisin bran for breakfast

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

This loss falls squarely on the shoulders of two people:

Leigh Torrence - if he had just shown more he never would have been cut, and then he could have made all those tackles that the CB's missed

Marcus Mason - if he had just shown more he wouldn't have been on the inactive list, and then we would have had a change of pace back

In all seriousness, I'm just bummed. I didn't think that the Redskins would win this one (had hoped, but didn't think it). Just disappointed that there just seemed to be a total lack of ANYTHING.

Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Again and again and again - Haynesworth plays Defensive TACKLE. (It's been pointed out to me that he has played end, as well, in the past) However, he plays the tackle postion for the 'Skins. This is NOT a position that gets noticed when it does things right; tackles don't usually get as many sacks, and you don't usually see them chasing the quaterback around the backfield. They are not making plays that show up in the stats, or are easily noticed on the replays.

They stop the run and get an initial push on pass plays. Watch the line instead of the QB when the Redskins are on defense this week; you'll see the impact Haynesworth makes.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 15, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Cupcakes, Cindy! Cupcakes! (lol)

I actually picked 2-1 because the team tends to shoot themselves in the foot.

But as Casey Rabach has said, "I definitely expect a big leap from Week 1 to Week 2."

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 15, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Fletcher had 18 tackles, where he was free to run to the ball carrier. There is one reason for that AH.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 15, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV,
Have to agree with you. Zorn's yells have intimidate just about as much as a rabid guinea pig. It isn't the yelling that gets the players attention anyway. It's the action behind it. Players didn't respond to coaches like Cowher because he was yelling he was going to bench them or make them run laps; they responded because they knew he would do it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Red,

I am aware that OC at Utah State is not like he was coaching in the SEC, and sure it was a long time ago, but I am just saying he did some play calling thats worth what it's worth, does not make him some genus (if it did he would not go back to being a position coach after) but it does qualify as experience.

Its kind of like that first summer job you got after high school, or the first job you got in the field you wanted to work in.

For me that was video taping weddings, good pay, good training in responsibility and the field, did it make me the next David Lynch, no. But it taught the basic skills of what it is required to produce an entire video project.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 15, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN, here we go again:

American Indians look to high courtComment Email Print Share Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- A group of American Indians who find the Washington Redskins name offensive wants the Supreme Court to take up the matter.

The group late Monday asked the justices to review a lower court decision that favored the NFL team on a legal technicality.

The seven Native Americans have been working through the court system since 1992 to have the Redskins trademarks declared invalid. A U.S. Patent and Trademark Office panel ruled in their favor in 1999, but they've since suffered a series of defeats from judges who ruled that the plaintiffs waited too long to bring their suit in the first place.

A lawyer for the group says he'd like to see the court decide once and for all whether the Redskins name defames Native Americans.

Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Hahaha...53% think we're winning all 3 of those games? Really? When have the Redskins ever gone thru their schedule and beaten EVERY team that they are better than? This team has consistently played down to its competition for a decade now, and now that Jim "My Last Name Isn't Really Nabors" Zorn is running the show, that's supposed to change? I voted 2-1, and that's being optimistic.

Seriously, I will never, EVER buy a Mercedes if they don't get this f-ing car off the side of this page. HIGHLY distracting and completely unnecessary.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 15, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

All in all, I was happy with Blache's scheme. I think there was some weak tackling that the team needs to work on this week, but the defensive game plan was solid. They went in wanting to limit Jacobs' impact and they did.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 9:59 AM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

RedSkinHead,

What did you think of there (in)ability to get off the field on third downs? Not picking a fight -- just curious what others thought...

Posted by: smurff1 | September 15, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse
======================================
Smurff1, I think you nailed it right on the head. My biggest bone to pick with both Blache and Gregg Williams (when he was here) is their inability to adjust. I know they have packages that they do change, but the scheme he's trying run doesn't match up with the skill set or talent level of the players that he has. I don't expect three and outs on every defensive series, but to be effective, especially in this division, you have to have a high percentage of those. Instead our defense seems to only be capable of holding offenses to three points (bend-don't-break).

Posted by: clark202 | September 15, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Eagles put Shawn Andrews on IR
Posted by Mike Florio on September 15, 2009 9:50 AM ET
Well, the good news is that the Eagles won't have to trade receiver Hank Baskett in order to create a roster spot for Jeff Garcia.

The bad news is that Shawn Andrews won't participate in a single regular-season snap this year for the Eagles -- he has been placed on injured reserve.

The move means that Andrews will have played in only two games in two years, and it will raise questions as to whether he'll ever play for the Eagles again. He suffered a back injury during a Week Two Monday-nighter in Dallas, and he didn't return at any point during the rest of the regular season or the postseason.

The injury came after he spent most of the training camp AWOL, due to a bout of clinical depression.

This year, his back flared up early in training camp. He eventually returned, but then the injury popped up again, and that was that.

Last week, the Eagles brought in veteran Jon Runyan for a workout. Runyan also has visited the Chiefs and the Bills.

So it still might be wise for the Eagles to trade Baskett, in order to create a roster spot for Runyan.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 15, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

FACT: Rasin Bran sucks.

FACT: Leigh Torrence will be rooting for the Rams on Sunday, particularly Donnie Avery.

FACT: Greg Blache is extremely overrated as a coordinator.

Posted by: cj658 | September 15, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Levi Jones, Jon Runyan, Damion McIntosh are starting to make the rounds. If the skins feel they can't run behind Heyer, then they need to get one of these guys in camp. The running game will continue to struggle against good defenses with their tendency to run to the left side of the line.

Posted by: TWISI | September 15, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, I will never, EVER buy a Mercedes if they don't get this f-ing car off the side of this page. HIGHLY distracting and completely unnecessary.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 15, 2009 10:33 AM

LOL- I find this very disturbing, too! Makes me feel like I'm being stalked.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 15, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

What does anybody think about this trade. (for the record I am a JC fan but I was just wondering).

JC and a 1st round pick to the Bengals for Carson Palmer and a 3rd round pick.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 15, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

wow 4th, thats a huge loss for them...thanks for posting that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

A lawyer for the group says he'd like to see the court decide once and for all whether the Redskins name defames Native Americans.


Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 10:33 AM


It's not. Move on.

Time for a list!

3 Most Oversensitive People:

1. Anyone affiliated with PETA
2. The 7 people offended by the name "Redskins"
3. Republicans

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 15, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Riddle:

What do George Bush and Jim Zorn's Play calling have in common ?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 15, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Don't you love it how one of the main haters, dwells on sh_t thats done an over with."

Note to all the main haters (you know, the guys who blogged all summer while the cheerleaders were off somewhere telling people, "I toldya so...".)

Based on the edict from the Fishman, no one is allowed to discuss Sunday's loss to the jints as, well, it's over.

And discussing the upcoming game against the rams is stupid as it's yet to happen.

In fact, seeing how no one in this blog has any control over what happens with the team, we should all shut our traps and let the cheerleaders run this thing.


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 15, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

No problem with these cars on the page in my Mac Safari Browser.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 15, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Prediction:

Detroit Freep headline on 9/28: 'The Drought is Over!'

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Riddle:

What do George Bush and Jim Zorn's Play calling have in common ?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 15, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

They both made their family fortunes secretly selling weapons to the Nazi's during WW2?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I was completely caught off guard that it was Ridiculous Trade Proposal Time!!!

Which just so happens to be my favorite time of the year.

Here's mine:

Jon Jansen, back when he was good, so obviously a time machine is included, Amani Toomer, back when he used to abuse Champ on a regular basis, as well as a current Marcus Mason, for Tom Brady, as well as Jake Long.

Championship.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

LOL- I find this very disturbing, too! Makes me feel like I'm being stalked.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 15, 2009 10:37 AM

That's not the car...it's the money you could be saving with Geico.

"It always feels like...somebody's watching meeeee!"

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 15, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

mista,

Discussing the loss is good, you were not discussing that you were crying about the team signing AH.

AH was a big part of why the Skins weren't totally blown out of the game, so what does his singing have to do with the loss.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 15, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Nice work 4th. We are tied after week 1. Marathon, not a sprint. Sweeney and 4-12 off to hot starts.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 15, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"FACT: I had raisin bran for breakfast"

Add bananas to that and you've got the best breaksfast known to mankind.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 15, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

What does anybody think about this trade. (for the record I am a JC fan but I was just wondering).

JC and a 1st round pick to the Bengals for Carson Palmer and a 3rd round pick.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 15, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse
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Carson is the Bengals franchise at least for the next three years, it will never happen. Besides, he already plays for a cracked levee of an offensive line, I don't think he'd be down for playing behind a sieve of an O-line. You'd probably have to give them 3 first round picks to even entertain the thought, and I wouldn't even mention JC's name in the deal... it'll really scare them off then.

Posted by: clark202 | September 15, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Is it okay if I cry about my FFL loss to Nate? I mean if he hadn't had Adrian Peterson on his team, I would have beat him. Of course, he set it up so he had the 1st pick in the draft so he could grab AD. How lame is that?

Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

how about if we use a greater cross section of his career wearing the burgandy and gold, than one game?

I know I'm an idiot because I'm trying to be patient, but I mean, one game, and people are jumping to conclusion...and possibly using Lavar's contention to back it up....wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Ritca,
to be fare to nate, he did not show up for the draft until round 10 or something.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 15, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Trade: Santana Moss and {Devin Thomas | Fred Davis} to the fins for Jason Taylor.
Discuss.

Posted by: daggar | September 15, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

clark202,
I disagree. The defense gave up 17 points on Sunday, which, for a lot of teams is limiting enough to get a victory. The Giants had the ball for 13 minutes more than the Redskins - almost a quarter more - which means the defense spent a lot more time on the field than they should have. They gave the offense the ball in field goal range on an interception and the offense proved the best they could do was get three points out of it. The offense turned the football over twice, the first of which led to a score. I will agree that the tackling was poor, and this is a big item to work on, but the defense didn't lose the game for the Redskins.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Moe, you missed a step: pour the raisin bran into the bowl, add bananas, throw them in the garbage and cook up some bacon and pancakes. Now we're talkin'...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 15, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

how bout we trade jim zorn for tom cable? for as much disarray as the raiders have gone through, they looked pretty good last night.

Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

It was interesting to hear a cut from Eli manning on Mike & Mike. He said that part of their strategy was to use an uptempo game (getting to the line quickly), while trying to control the ball in an attempt to tire Haynesworth out. Unfortunately the skins complied with this strategy. Given how Jason Brown of the Rams mentioned this same strategy, I'd expect the skins to have all their DTs available for the game.

Posted by: TWISI | September 15, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

and just when i start speaking of nate, he makes an appearance. whats up?

Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

RITCA, I attempted to set it up so I would get the first four overall picks, but for some reason the system wouldn't let me, so I had to settle for #1 overall.

The karmic wheel turned around, though, and I got Matt Cassel auto-picked. Which is why Jason Campbell is my fantasy QB. So there ya go.

My favo(u)rite Cassel is Seymour anyway.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 15, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

if Montgomery is active this coming sunday, and doesn't whip some azz, then he might be a lost cause....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

beeps...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 15, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Trade: Santana Moss and {Devin Thomas | Fred Davis} to the fins for Jason Taylor.
Discuss.

Posted by: daggar | September 15, 2009 10:50 AM


On Madden, I sent Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly with a 2nd rounder to the Niners for Crabtree. Pure gold.

Funny thing is Denver takes the same trade for Brandon Marshall. If only it were this easy in real life...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 15, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

you guys got the breakfast thing all wrong -

need some egg beaters, some soy sausage patties, and some steel-cut oatmeal (not the instant kind).

Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

TWISI,
That would have been a good strategy for the Redskins to use on offense so that the Giants couldn't continue to make substitutions on the d-line to keep their players fresh.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 15, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

I have moved on.

In fact, as a long-term thinker, check out the schedule:

9/13 @ Giants L 17 - 23
9/20 VS Rams
9/27 @ Lions
10/4 VS Buccaneers
10/11 @ Panthers
10/18 VS Chiefs


With some improved offense, the skins could go into the bye 5-2 or 4-3.

Prince Al's issues aside, improvement in the passing game is the biggest issue facing the team.

I don't hate this team.

I hate that it looks like the team that ended last season 8-8.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 15, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"So who has an opinion on Horton vs. Doughty? I thought they both played reasonably well. Doughty was a bit more prominent, but I think that was mainly because Blache tweaked the defense to put the SS in position to make plays in the second half.
But was that because Doughty's better, or maybe Horton's coverage skills have improved, or just because of game circumstances?Posted by: daggar"

My guess is Blache considers them both valuable players with limitations. Horton's no pass defender; Doughty's pretty slow. But both are intelligent and play beyond expectations. So he platooned the two.

At some point, the Skins will want to upgrade at that position. If Belichick is correct, they'll be looking for a reasonably big guy with cornerback-type coverage skills.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 15, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

What does anybody think about this trade. (for the record I am a JC fan but I was just wondering).

JC and a 1st round pick to the Bengals for Carson Palmer and a 3rd round pick.

Posted by: GreatOne1


I like it but, the Bengals would have to be stu-pid-tid if they made that trade.

I think Carson Palmer is still a good QB.

He plays behind a weak offensive line and has suspect targets.

LOL, then again, that really isn't too different from what he'll be traded to.

Bean, great material @ 10:45!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 15, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The passing game looked pretty good against the Giants. It just wasn't used enough. Of course, it may be that the reason the passes worked is that the Giants were forced to anticipate the run...

As far as Eli's interview, he admits the focus was on Haynesworth. That's quite an admission. Now the Skins just have to learn to take advantage of it. Eli had too much time.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 15, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

LAST!!

Posted by: RITCA | September 15, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

LAST!!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 15, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

LAST....I am the master...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 15, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

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