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With Thrash Gone, Which WRs Make the Cut?

With the release of veteran James Thrash on Friday, room was made for a new face to win a spot on the Redskins' roster and on a receiving corps desperate for anyone to come in and produce immediately.

The question now is: Who exactly is going to be the guy to step in and produce?

I asked Jim Zorn last week whatever happened to D.J. Hackett, a veteran who knew Zorn's system from his time in Seattle and was offered a contract in May but turned it down.

"He is still out there. Right now I'm pretty satisfied with the talent I see out here so I don't necessarily think I'm going to go for that," Zorn said. "But I know he's there, and he really does have talent, and he can come in here and on Day One be effective, I know that."

I asked Zorn if the offer would still be on the table should Hackett decide he wanted to come to Washington for training camp.

"No, no," Zorn said. "That would be our decision to go with him, and also he would have to be in the right place for him too. It's a mutual thing. When you offer a player a contract, just like he decided when we offered it to him, he couldn't come in right then, and then it was gone. That's how these things work. I don't want to steal this chance from some of the guys we have right now because they're working hard. And he wouldn't want that either."

I spoke today with one of Hackett's agents, Jack Mills, and he said Hackett still has interest in Washington should it express a desire to bring him in again.

"I believe the problem was that they needed him to be there for some type of minicamp or some type of workout immediately, and he just simply had a conflict on the date," Mills said. "There was a couple of days in there that he couldn't be there. I believe that's why nothing got done. He has not signed with anybody, and he is still interested in them should the Redskins show interest in bringing him in."

Hackett has also visited Baltimore and is scheduled to work out for Tampa Bay tomorrow.

In house, the Redskins hope one of the two young receivers they drafted in the second round last year, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, step into bigger roles this season.

Kelly has struggled to stay healthy since being drafted, and he came to Washington with a red flag due to his medical history.

Teammates have praised the former Oklahoma standout when he has gotten on the field. But if he isn't able to get through a whole training camp and preseason again, you have to start to wonder whether he ever will be able to be a legitimate candidate to make an impact.

After Thursday's organized team activities, Zorn was asked about Kelly's status and the plan on getting him healthy.

Said Zorn: "He is going to be here working. There's things I want him to do to get away. I just want him to get away and relax for a little bit. But he's going to prepare and we try to put a lot of stress on his knee out here [at OTAs] running routes. We didn't hold back. So I fully expect these five or six weeks to get his knee even better and he'll be ready to go."

Thomas is another case altogether. A speedy wideout capable of stretching the field, he simply wasn't able to break through onto the field last year.

Jason Campbell said this week he has seen improvement from Thomas during this offseason, especially in route running. But I heard one veteran speaking frankly last week about reserving judgment and withholding praise until Thomas goes out and does it come game time.

Frankly, I think that's the approach everyone is taking with both of these receivers. They have the talent, let's wait and see if anything actually comes of it.

But if we assume both Thomas and Kelly make the roster, that means four of the (presumably) five receiver spots are taken (along with Moss and Antwaan Randle El). So who grabs No. 5?

Judging from the comments sections (and yes, I read those from time to time), it looks like Roydell Williams is the early fan favorite.

Williams started 14 games for Tennessee in 2007, catching 55 passes for 719 yards and four touchdowns before an ankle injury sidelined him. He was cut after being unable to recover quickly from the injury. He signed with Washington in May.

Another option includes rookie Marko Mitchell, a seventh round pick with the size and speed to make you raise your eyebrows, but without the background to make you say this guy is a sure thing to make the roster.

Which wide receivers do you want to see on the roster when the regular season rolls around?

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 15, 2009; 1:56 PM ET
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The fifth Wide Receiver has to be a special teams guy. Can Roydell Williams contribute on teams? If so, he gets the nod and Marko Mitchell goes to the Practice Squad.

But if Mitchell is better on Teams, then he gets the 5th spot. Neither will see much time at WR.

Oh yeah, and:

FIRST

Posted by: Wemiss21 | June 15, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/15/AR2009061500350.html

A very awesome place.

The ruptures that happen every few years are spectacular. Below is a video of the ice bridge collapse -- I've never seen video of the 'dam burst'.

The view from above:

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/56924471

You can see how the glacier cuts the lake in two, acting as a dam. The right side of lake rises until the pressure creates the rupture. This pic was taken 1 month prior to a rupture.

The ice bridge collapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLazY-5zxFQ


A little culture to start your week ... (reposted since it was only up for a few minutes on the last entry)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

first? and the answer to this question - Marko Mitchell. If he WINS the job then he is the obvious answer.

Posted by: portisbeast | June 15, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If Marko plays well, I think Kelly is the odd man out -- its all about staying healthy for him and my gut says that's not going to happen.

I could see Marko going to the practice squad if he impresses and Kelly stays healthy

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Yo. I like this Beat Writer so far! (But I'll reserve judgement until the season starts...LMAO!)

DJ HAckett's time has come and passed. If he was all that, he would have signed the 2 times we offered him a contract. Last year and this offseason.

I like our rookies, but they seem like P Squad material so far for this year by what I hear inside and out of this blog. Well see come preseason, though.

If Rodyell can be like he was in Tennesse, we will be straight........

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Thrash was primarily a special team player the last couple of years. At least five of players could take advantage of the Thrash situation and make the team out of training camp:

RBs:
Anthony Alridge
Marcus Mason
Dominique Dorsey

WRs:
Roydell Williams
Marko Mitchell

Roydell Williams could be good enough to supplant either Kelly, Thomas, or ARE as the #2, 3, or 4 WR.

The real question is who is the best special team player?

Posted by: siris | June 15, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me if this is repeat info, but I read on twitter via Peter King that PFT and NBC have inked an exclusive deal that means NBC will get exclusive licensing of PFT content. Crazy. Can't say they are not journalists or legit any longer. Hate/love Florio, you gotta give him props for taking a hobby to a very lucrative career.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

4th, which one, about 9 different people have contributed. This entry is by one of the editors Paul. I actually think the group thing works, but hope that when Reid returns he can add some editorial comment to spice up the just the facts ma'am approach.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell...Williams is only 6 feet tall and like 185. That's pretty much like another Moss with a couple inches. We need a red zone threat or a guy who has the Plaxico Burress type play, where he can jump up and snatch the high balls out of the air. I think if Kelly stays healthy then he's that guy for sure, but if he can't (but my gut says he will be healthy) then Mitchell can be that player.

Week One Lineup:

No.1--Moss

No.2--Thomas

No.3--Randel El (slot)

No.4--Kelly (split time at 2 with Thomas and always on the field on 4 WR sets)

No.5--Mitchell

Posted by: Broman17 | June 15, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

'I asked Jim Zorn (about) D.J. Hackett.'

"He is still out there. Right now I'm pretty satisfied with the talent I see out here so I don't necessarily think I'm going to go for that," Zorn said. "But I know he's there, and he really does have talent, and he can come in here and on Day One be effective, I know that."

OK Coach. How many WRs do you have that you KNOW can be effective from Day 1? Moss. ARE. And no one else. Neither Thomas or Kelly has ever been effective in this league. Roydell has shown something, but he is coming off a serious injury, so it remains to be seen if he return to form.

Bottom line, Coach, if you KNOW you can get an effective WR, get him. Because you only have 2.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

No way Kelly will be cut. He practiced fully the last 2 weeks of OTAs, like JZ said above at full speed. MK12 is good son son. You will see the next TO in action.

Whoever replaces Thrash, HAS to be a special teamer. Look for MArcus MAson and Williams to make the squad. And one of the rookies WRs.

Next one to go - Betts, but that will be after preseason........

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

My dark horse is R. Williams b/c I think we need some experience on the field at times.

Kelly may never be a factor due to knees. Not commenting on his ability/skill, but seems like the knees are chronic.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell! Why would we want Titans garbage. Because he's scored a TD before? who cares. Lets see what we have in our draft pick.

Posted by: cbace10 | June 15, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hate/love Florio, you gotta give him props for taking a hobby to a very lucrative career.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:36 PM |

No one works much harder than Florio at what was just a hobby. Now that it's a full time job -- wow.

I agree with you, CL, that we should bring him in to give a work-ethic-pep-talk to Laron Landry.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

chill out cbace....Mitchell is practice squad bound...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Good one, TE....funny stuff.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Cl - I thought he was a reporter. I thought I saw him write day after game day articles in the past? I was refering to the open question and the answer basically being we will find out come regular season the answer.

Actually, rereading it, Paul says he himself talked to JZ. So he just seemed like a beat guy to me. Maybe filling in for JReid while on Birth Watch.

Also, Florio said he still has full control. But it ain't like we see the contracts the agree to. So, we'll see how much NBC bashing he will do compared to the other networks. I think NBC picked him up because he only refences NBC Shows I have never and will never see in my life....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Kelly has struggled to stay healthy since being drafted, and he came to Washington with a red flag due to his medical history." - Tenorio

"But I heard one veteran speaking frankly last week about reserving judgment and withholding praise until Thomas goes out and does it come game time." - Tenorio


Such a negative nelly, this Tenorio fellow. Bringing up the past....hearing things from unnamed sources.

Posted by: 4-12 | June 15, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I expect Devin and MK, but especially Devin, to have good to very good seasons. And Fred Davis is going to surprise as a pass catcher. The point was made last week regarding Kevin Boss that the Giants drafted a TE so that meant the G-men didn't think highly of Boss. What does it say about Davis that the Skins drafted him when they had a "stud" and fan favorite at TE. Fred is going to be a beast this year. FD is going to stand for first down.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 15, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of taking a hobby and getting paid for it....

Has anyone seen the dude who made the Rap Video about Arlington, VA? He is now on YouTube's Payroll and has a very nice crib in Arlington because of this hobby. good video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1RMuoQnKo

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Editors still can report on stories....I am pretty sure he is an editor...either way its been a beat by a committe unto Reid returns. I have easily seen 8-12 bylines.

What NBC shows does he pimp...if its office/30 rock you should listen. Those shows rule.

And I am pretty sure they picked him b/c he has the heaviest NFL site on the web that wasn't already affiliated....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

LH is my boy, but not following you down the FD rabbit hole. However while I am a big Cooley fan I do hope we can rock the double TE weapon....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

4th has to be at the pinnacle of off-season optimism. Tis the season. Hope you're right.

Also I have to agree with zcezcest1 (nice link btw. If Hackett is a sure thing then sign him. Because as it is we don't have a sure thing playing WR.

Posted by: mack1 | June 15, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I just don't see MK ever being healthy long enough to be a contributor, but hey I hope I am dead wrong.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

This guy has some big time juice sacks:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/15/schefter-brandon-marshall-asked-to-be-traded/

I wouldn't touch him.....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

CL, by week four you are going to be riding shotgun on the FD bandwagon.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 15, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if Roydell can get healthy, he put up better numbers then El.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 15, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

4th,

That....

...was awesMOE!

"Come meet me at the Starbucks!...
...the Starbucks...the Starbucks..."


...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 15, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Kelly is the one with the good attitude and the bad knees, #12, right?
#11 has the good knees, the bad attitude (allegedly) and the stupid blog (absolutely).
I have a hard time keeping those dudes straight.

Posted by: mack1 | June 15, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

If Roydell can be like he was in Tennesse, we will be straight ....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2009 2:33 PM

POCKETS STRAIGHT!

Early fan favorite indeed ... the man took me into the postseason (of fantasy football). Maybe he can do the same for Mr. Snyder (who plays the same game).

Posted by: dcsween | June 15, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I have a hard time keeping those dudes straight.

Posted by: mack1 | June 15, 2009 3:05 PM

Kelly has a real round head and Thomas has the narrow eyes and cheesy moustache. Both real tall, but Kelly more muscular.

Posted by: dcsween | June 15, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

That helps a little dc.

Posted by: mack1 | June 15, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Such a negative nelly, this Tenorio fellow. Bringing up the past....hearing things from unnamed sources.

Posted by: 4-12 | June 15, 2009 2:48 PM

No one more negative up here than the guy who calls himself "4-12." You come back posting as 12-4, then you can pound on Tenorio. Until then, pot meet kettle and all that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Kelly is the one with the good attitude and the bad knees, #12, right?
#11 has the good knees, the bad attitude (allegedly) and the stupid blog (absolutely).
I have a hard time keeping those dudes straight.

Posted by: mack1 | June 15, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

You are correct. Personally I am hoping they both work out, that eventually we replace Moss and El and we have a WR corps with all of them in the teens.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Between them, Thomas, Kelly and Davis will amount to the big, tall pass catcher -- the One Player Away -- we need to advance in the 2007 playoffs.

Mock my words...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about Roydell Williams. His one big year resulted from a lack of talent at the WR position in Tenn and VY was locked in on him. He's coming off of an injury that kept him out an entire season, the offense is new to him (that's always a good excuse for failure up here), and he's not young relative to his years in the league.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 15, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

let's go with 4 WR's ,because we can add an RB, and we have Cooley and Davis who could be a #4 or #5 WR.

Even with our poor production at WR overall, we didn't see Trash very often, and he was an outstanding STeamer.

put a couple guys on the practice squad in case someone goes down and take your chances with 4, find out what Thomas, Kelly, and Davis really got.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 15, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

But if he isn't able to get through a whole training camp and preseason again, you have to start to wonder whether he ever will be able to be a legitimate candidate to make an impact.

Gosh, I love hyperbole.

Posted by: WorstSeat | June 15, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I just don't see MK ever being healthy long enough to be a contributor, but hey I hope I am dead wrong.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 2:55 PM |

fascinating insight, hope your dead wrong too

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 15, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Why not keep six instead of the extra running back? Doesn't look like we are going to carry 12 safeties this year either, thank God.

The reason Roydell is the front-runner is because everyone knows how poorly rookie WR's perform on this team. They really need to upgrade that coaching position, IMO.

Like I've said before, some WR's need Playing Time to improve - just as rookie QB's need to learn on the job. We gave hardly any to our 2 guys last year. Put them in, let them make mistakes and don't throw all this pressure on top of them to be perfect 100% of the time.

Posted by: McMetal | June 15, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see:
1. Moss
2. Thomas
3. Randle El
4. Kelly
5. Mitchell or Eloi

I think you're seeing Zorn assert himself here. He wants to see the team get younger and these young kids compete against each other. Moss and El provide enough veteran leadership. Thomas knows he screwed up last year. All these guys should be fighting to get on the field.

I think RB will be an interesting battle too. I wouldn't be surprised if Betts or Cartwright gets the ax or both.

1. Portis
2. Betts
3. Alridge/Dorsey (we need that change of pace back)

Posted by: brian58 | June 15, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Solid reporting, follow-up questions, insight....this blog finally got informative. It's obvious JLC was sleepwalking through this for the past few weeks. Nice job by the new meat

Posted by: InRealAmerica | June 15, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

suck it pabrian2003

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Opening day roster: Moss, Randal El, Roydell Williams, Thomas and Kelly - not necessarily in that order. If Kelly can't stay healthy, the team would probably sign a veteran rather than start a rookie, so if Hackett is still out there he could be the guy. I think Marko Mitchell could be a developmental roster guy as well as Jaison Williams, since the jury is still out on Kelly's knee and they are tall receivers perfect for the West Coast offense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, at the tail end of the last thread I think you were responding to my little snark about the Patriots... to which I would say to you, sir, that yes indeed I reserve the right to:

a) be loudly resentful of any team that enjoys success while my beloved Redskins languish in mediocrity, even if it makes me sound like a sore loser,and

2) recognize evil wherever I see it rear its head, as in Bill Belichick's Patriots organization.

So there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Kelly is hurt before the first game.

Hackett is brought in.

Posted by: oldnova | June 15, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

T_E, I'd love to grab my 'other' name, but somebody out there in RI land currently has it.

Posted by: 4-12 | June 15, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Mason gets cut before the first game.....

book it.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about Roydell Williams. His one big year resulted from a lack of talent at the WR position in Tenn and VY was locked in on him. He's coming off of an injury that kept him out an entire season, the offense is new to him (that's always a good excuse for failure up here), and he's not young relative to his years in the league.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 15, 2009 3:30 PM |

Roydell Williams is not the first guy with question marks over his head. I've always said, "There are no sure things in the NFL."

And, who among us truly is young relative to our years in the league? Benjamin Button?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

T_E, I'd love to grab my 'other' name, but somebody out there in RI land currently has it.

Posted by: 4-12 | June 15, 2009 3:59 PM

Pitiful excuse, Mr. Negativity. There's: 12-4a, 12-4nightshift, 12-4lunchbreak, 12-4forever. Or, especially for you, not12-4.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Kelly is hurt before the first game.

Hackett is brought in.

Posted by: oldnova | June 15, 2009 3:57 PM |

I'm thinking not. I don't think Hackett is welcome on this team. This whole story above sounds fishy -- like we need an "insider" to know what really went down. They didn't sign Hackett last year, and when they made an approach this year he had "a conflict." When there's a $600,000+ job on the line, you can adjust your schedule. Who's he think he is, Laron Landry?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, at the tail end of the last thread I think you were responding to my little snark about the Patriots... to which I would say to you, sir, that yes indeed I reserve the right to:

a) be loudly resentful of any team that enjoys success while my beloved Redskins languish in mediocrity, even if it makes me sound like a sore loser,and

2) recognize evil wherever I see it rear its head, as in Bill Belichick's Patriots organization.

So there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

I guess you told me, huh?

okay, my bad. sorry. hate to your heart's content, PDX. as you've been...
-----------------------
And mothaF everybody on the blog!!!!!

I wasn't told of a new thread. I just figured that this place was deader than a dead zone. No one mentioned a new thread.

so that's y'alls word?

aight, coo. i got something for every last f*c*er up here. watch, you'll see...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

there is also a possibility that i just didn't e-hear the beep, beep...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"who among us truly is young relative to our years in the league?"

Todd Collins. Well, all of him except his clipboard-holding hand.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't take our word for it, Paul. Stan Hixon said in an interview over on the Redskins dot com blog that Roydell is the front-runner right now.

Posted by: PatM1 | June 15, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Call me sacriligeous barbarian, but if Thomas and Kelly make it, and Williams and Mitchell have the chops, then the most disposable of them all is Randle El, don't you think?

Posted by: MrChili | June 15, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - I finally have something to be jealous of Virgina residents...

If you buy one ticket to Busch Gardens, you can averyday for the rest of the summer. Why caqn't they look out for the whole DMV like you do?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Red, we've gotten lax about those beep beeps, haven't we? We need to remind ourselves of the mandate "No Red Left Behind."

And you know I'm just funnin' ya with that hatin' stuff. I'm a lover, not a fighter. Just makin' conversation.

Moving on...

Trivia question more or less appropriate for this thread: who was the player known to this community as "Wide Receiver, The"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"Williams and Mitchell have the chops..." - MrChili

Chops? Do you mean hands?

I ask, because where I'm from chops are usually referred to the mouth, teeth or "grill". I assume you mean hands because I don't know how much a WR will rely on his mouth to be successful.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm with brian58, I think last year the FO decided to transform the team. They're going to get younger and are will to make fundemental changes. So QB controversy, releasing Jansen and Thrash and others still to come are the indicators.

Are these the usual FO gyrations, are they anticipating an uncapped year? Who knows?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 15, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
I alternate between being irrationally optimistic to being a real Eeyore.

Right now, I'm thinking Devin Thomas maybe another Receiver, The and Malcolm Kelly may be another Erasmus James.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 15, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Randle El, don't you think?

Posted by: MrChili | June 15, 2009 4:20 PM

His cap # is too big. But because he structured, we will be able to cut him next year.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

4th, whadda ya mean "finally"? VA is primo, and ya know this, man... I mean, no VA no US of A, no Jamestown and what not... But I haven't been to Busch Gardens in years!!! I think this summer will be cool to go since I'm going to VA beach also for the first time in years.

Nate, no need for clarifications homie. I'm not a reg (those who started this RI blogging s**t) like you guys, but I know who's who for the most part, and where they're coming from.

Nothing else to say hear but: F TheTruth11.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

all "reg" means is that you post regularly, thus red and truth are regs...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 15, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I have Busch Gardens and Adventure Island. 75 minutes down I-4 I have the Mouse and 10 minutes beyond that Sea World and 10 minutes after that Universal.

Now who's your daddy!

:)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

and Red
Nothing else to say hear...

hear - sound
here - place

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 15, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

My five
1 Moss
2 Thomas
3 Kelly
4 Mitchell
5/ST Eloi

Time to part ways with Randall El, to much money.....tooooo little output

Posted by: darrenh86 | June 15, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

_stumped_- im hoping zorn realizes that he needs to get these young kids on the field. the difference between going 8-8 with a bunch of 25 year olds on the field and going 8-8 with a bunch of mid 30s is tremendous.

im always optimistic in the offseason, but i really do think this team has great potential. the d is going to be rock solid and menacing. the offense could also be above average. It Thomas/Kelly catch on, this could up all kinds of lanes for Portis and teams wont be able to key on Moss/Cooley. Also, El will be much more effective in the slot. I think the o-line will be better than last year, not great. I feel confident that one of these speedster backs will make the team and be a real threat on 3rd down and be a great on draws out of the shotgun.

Posted by: brian58 | June 15, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

*** Test Drive ***

Hmmmm...Comfortable. This has potential.

*** End Test Drive ***

Posted by: not12-4 | June 15, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

correct me if im wrong, but the cap hit from cutting randle el would be huge, right?

also, anybody have an idea of how many special teamers we'll keep on the roster? Any room for 3 rb's plus alridge or dorsey? or for 6 wr's?

Posted by: brian58 | June 15, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Call me sacriligeous barbarian, but if Thomas and Kelly make it, and Williams and Mitchell have the chops, then the most disposable of them all is Randle El, don't you think?

Posted by: MrChili

ARE is a fair #2 WR (though I wonder if he might be better if he gave up the punt returns) and very good for a #3 WR. Of all the WRs in the NFC East right now, ARE was 4th in receiving yards.

As for being a sacriligeous barbarian, well, that's part of the description of a DT. We got one of them -- for a cool 9 figures (OK, I know its really 4yrs, $48mil)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Truth and RedDMV are twins separated at birth. They are now reunited on something called the internets via a web log that involves common interest of a certain suubject...........

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Nate - since no one has responded - Receiver, The would be Lloyd, Brandon Mr.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 15, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The reason I asked, JohnD, was because I myself couldn't even remember at first. I got to thinking about Rod Gardner, Taylor Jacobs, Michael friggin' Westbrook, and I couldn't come up with the name Brandon Lloyd. Kudos, sir...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

By which I mean, of course, the Redskin wide receiver hall of horrors... ugh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall ever seeing him actually play with the Redskins, but the nickname stuck with me!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 15, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Thomas is a tall, speedy receiver but not necessarily a downfield type -- he's most effective when he gets the ball underneath the coverage and takes it upfield. Kelley is the red zone receiver in the group. Fred Davis is faster and a better blocker than Cooley but not as consistent at catching the ball. Roydell is something of a mystery -- hard to see why Tennessee set him free, but they may know something we don't.

I have trouble picturing Marko or Eloi as other than practice squad players, this year at least.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Huh... everyone must have taken off to celebrate UVa's advancing in the College World Series with an unlkely upset of Cal Fullerton.

Wahoowa!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Well Mr. Tenorio, it's nice to have a blogger mthat once again reads the comments.

Is it just me or if you are looking for a job, and 1 of the only 32 employers in the world ask you to be somewhere for a chance at a job, don't you make that a priority? People aren't exactly beating down DJ "The Injury" Hacketts door mto sign him. Seems to me unless there was a death in the family or a wedding one would make himself available for an opportunity such as this.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 15, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

On Hackett and others who haven't signed ... I think there is/will be a market for players who wait for an injuries to happen to others. I'm thinking its not a bad approach for some guys. If you are a legit playoff level team and one of your top WRs gets dinged a few games into the year, you would want someone who can play at this level.

Hackett might get more $$ in that sort of situation, and teams would be glad to have a better quality player available.

To date, a lot of decent players settle for minimum contracts because at this time of year, supply exceeds demand. As the season goes on and guys get hurt, supply drops ... while demand gets more urgent.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Hackett might get more $$ in that sort of situation, and teams would be glad to have a better quality player available.

To date, a lot of decent players settle for minimum contracts because at this time of year, supply exceeds demand. As the season goes on and guys get hurt, supply drops ... while demand gets more urgent.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 5:47 PM

When they call me, I'm not asking you to be my agent, Zeke.

Can you name some players who have done better by turning down contracts hoping to get a playoff team over the barrel at midseason? They miss 8-10 game checks to get, what? triple the league minimum for the last 6-8 games?

If they're any good, they get signed before the season. After the season starts, they're out of shape, don't know the offense and everyone realizes if they'd been good they would be on someone's roster. They're brought in as a fifth wide receiver, not a starter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Thomas is a tall, speedy receiver but not necessarily a downfield type -- he's most effective when he gets the ball underneath the coverage and takes it upfield.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2009 5:26 PM |

Thomas has had 15 receptions. Isn't a bit early to say whether he's more effective underneath or downfield?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

It does not take much to become the Skins #3 receiver. Number of receiving TDs last year:

James Thrash - 1
Other Skins receivers not named Moss/El: 0
TEs - 2
RBs - 1

Any receiver that scores in preseason merits a spot. For the record (2008 unless noted):
Marko Mitchell (college) - 10
Roydell Williams (2007) - 4
Keith Eloi (college) - 2
Marques Hagans - 0
Jaison Williams (college) - 4
Trent Shelton - 0

My money is on Roydell Williams and Marko Mitchell (and the Skins keep 6 WRs).

And one final stat:
DJ Hackett - 0 TDs in 2008

Posted by: amaranthpa | June 15, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

When they call me, I'm not asking you to be my agent, Zeke.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

S'ok. I'm guessing we're not talking about a big commission :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

S'ok. I'm guessing we're not talking about a big commission :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 6:09 PM |

Well, it better be. Rosenhaus told me he can buy a new yacht off the commission. Of course, he wanted me to front him half of it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I want to see Thomas and Kelley get it done, but if Kelley comes up injured again this preseason I say lets cut this broken record and call it a day. I hope in the future this team will refrain from drafting players with red flags/injury concerns.Get Smart.

M.Mitchell seems like practice squad material, somebody else may emerge, but I see Thomas and F.Davis finally earning their pay.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 15, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Marshall just asked for a trade. Offer next years !st round and Randle- El. Moss, Marshall and Cooley make it official.

Posted by: One9 | June 15, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

When did I die and El suddenly become indispensable? Thomas is taller and faster, and El wasn't exactly Mr. Reliable last year (hand).

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 15, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I hope sleepy steps it up this year - he's the only young receiver who will contribute (IMO)

Posted by: redskincow | June 15, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Thomas has had 15 receptions. Isn't a bit early to say whether he's more effective underneath or downfield?Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Hmmmm? What does the number of receptions have to do with the way he plays football?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

When did I die and El suddenly become indispensable? Thomas is taller and faster, and El wasn't exactly Mr. Reliable last year (hand).

Posted by: mattsoundworld

Can you name 5 WRs that are now in the NFC East that outperformed ARE?

ARE isn't a great -- but he's not a problem unless you need him to make a lot of plays because your #3 WR is James Thrash. We'd be fine if our WRs had Moss + 2 'ARE-level' performers.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

zce: "Can you name 5 WRs that are now in the NFC East that outperformed ARE?"

I happened to take a look at that question a few months back and if I remember correctly, he ranked first or second among so-called '2' wide receivers in the division. And Moss was about the same.

It surprised me that so many fans regarded them as underachievers. It's true that there wasn't much behind them, and that's what the team is hoping to rectify.

I'm always amazed that folks devote so much time and attention to fixing parts of the team that don't appear to be broken. Find a good 3rd-4th receiver.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

"Brandon Marshall just asked for a trade. Offer next years !st round and Randle- El. Moss, Marshall and Cooley make it official.
Posted by: One9"

Hopefully you're joking about the trade but Marshall really is a special receiver, and he's going to miss Jay Cutler a lot.

But Calvin Johnson is better.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Again, please correct me on grammar and spelling, I loves it... noonefromtampa

for good measure, your a idoit.

ohhh, correct me! please correct me!!!

the reg reference was joke. like Cl said, you post regularly, your're a reg.

4th, don't ever, ever, eva, eva, eva, eva compare me to TheTruth. And worse, you said I was seperated from this dude -- at birth.

Ewwwww and Ugh.

Wrong for two reasons, he's my illlegtimate son, and that's just not cool. Man, I thought we was cool?

Now 'cuse me, while I get accquainted with this cigarillo strawberry dutchie...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

On yet another mediocre 8-8 team to be (+/- 1 W/L)...who gives a ratz azz.....who the Receivers........

Posted by: FletcherChristian1 | June 15, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

4th, don't ever, ever, eva, eva, eva, eva compare me to TheTruth...

Wrong for two reasons, he's my illlegtimate son, and that's just not cool.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2009 7:47 PM

Red, you musta been drugged to have put your manly organ inside of Truth's mama.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

It dosen't matter which ones are on the field. It matters whether the QB throws the ball down the field. If he needs 2sec' more to throw, then there will always be a problem no matter which receivers are on the field.

But those extra 2sec's is not always because the OL' sucks. In a lot of cases, it is because the scheme is bad and the QB does not help his OL'. Yes the play of he QB has tremendous importance as to how the OL' performs.

The QB controls it all when he is on the field. He must demand what he expects and the coach must support him and the sooner Jason Campbell understands that, the sooner we will see a Redskin Passin' Game.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 15, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

It dosen't matter which ones are on the field. It matters whether the QB throws the ball down the field. If he needs 2sec' more to throw, then there will always be a problem no matter which receivers are on the field.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 15, 2009 8:07 PM

I thought that was why it mattered who you threw it to. Some guys can get open two seconds sooner. Others, can't get open unless the CB falls down or is called away to attend a wedding.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Now 'cuse me, while I get accquainted with this cigarillo strawberry dutchie...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse


Red, you musta been drugged to have put your manly organ inside of Truth's mama.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 15, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse


Seems like Truth's gonna have a new baby brother/sister

Posted by: Vicc | June 15, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I thought we took a serious look at Kelly Washington as well...any word on where he is at?

He's not only been a decent No.3 receiver, but he's also been good on special teams.

W/ regards to our current roster of WRs...for real it is pretty disappointing.

IMO, after Santana Moss, we've got no one we can count on. No one.

ARE has shown us everything he has, and it isn't enough to be a legit #2. All the other guys still have to prove themselves in this league. And the only thing that we can say about them is that there is potential and hope - that's it. No production to really point at: even Roydell Williams' little stint with the Titans doesn't give us much to hang a hot on...

Sad truth is that if we brought in Hackett, I think he'd be our #2 receiver straight up.

Posted by: p1funk | June 15, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse


Between them, Thomas, Kelly and Davis will amount to the big, tall pass catcher -- the One Player Away -- we need to advance in the 2007 playoffs.

Mock my words...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 3:28 PM |

What about Marko Mitchell?
MEASURABLES. Height: 6-3, Weight: 218

Malcolm Kelly:Height: 6-4, Weight: 219
Devin Thomas:Height:6-2, Weight: 218
Fred Davis:Height:6-4, Weight:257

Posted by: abxinc | June 15, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

So Brandon Marshall wants out of Denver, so The Broncos sign none other than Receiver, The...I'm not kidding.

Nate you're prescient.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 15, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Even a blind squirrel, Stumped. Even a blind squirrel..

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Don't take our word for it, Paul. Stan Hixon said in an interview over on the Redskins dot com blog that Roydell is the front-runner right now.

Well, that makes him a non-anonymous source, doesn't it? Whereas RI is filled with anonymous sources. In fact, you could say that we're more anonymous than anything, and the source of much amusement to boot.

Posted by: daggar | June 15, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

To RedDMV, I must be showing my age. Chops is an old jazz and blues term referring to ones ability on his ax, whatever that ax may be. As far as teeth or grills are concerned, we called them choppers, not chops.

What would ARE's cap #s? Anyone? We do seem to have the ability to work around those issues, or is it too late?

Posted by: MrChili | June 15, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Bobby Mitchell --> Brian Mitchell --> Marko Mitchell.

I can hope ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
For some strange reason, your last post reminded me of Oh Brother Where Art Thou, with the blind guy and all that other wonderful, epic, mythic, Homeristic, folderol.

Can't wait for the Pauseburgerandbeer.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 15, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

cests,
I'll see your Mitchells and raise you a Marco.

Monte Coleman
Marco Coleman

So Marco was a Fin, sue me.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 15, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Paul T.

"Which wide receivers do you want to see on the roster when the regular season rolls around?"


Well, since you asked:

Jerry Rice
Art Monk
John Stallworth
Cliff Branch
Cris Carter

How do yo9u think these guys would work out?


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm really intrigued by Marko Mitchell, but it's so tough to keep a "project" type player on the roster when your incumbent #3 and #4 WRs are so unproven. He would be my hopeful vote for the final spot, but it just may not be viable until Thomas and Kelly prove themselves.

Posted by: psps23 | June 15, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

It's not a foregone conclusion that Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly or Fred Davis will make the team. It they all suddenly blossomed and met our pre-draft expectations it would be unprecedented.

One of the reasons they drafted three pass catchers is because they are frequently busts.

So, Do you feel lucky?

I'm betting that next year at this time only one of these guys will still be around. Who? I have no idea.

I bet one will be gone by the end of Camp.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 15, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Rice
Art Monk
John Stallworth
Cliff Branch
Cris Carter

How do yo9u think these guys would work out?


Posted by: MistaMoe

too old

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

But I heard one veteran speaking frankly last week about reserving judgment and withholding praise until Thomas goes out and does it come game time...............

Oh Antwaan does the thought a legitmate, possibly better receiver scare you????

Because you have done nothing since you arrived!!!!

Posted by: gre28man72 | June 15, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

The truck jumper, Eloi: keep an eye on him. This guy may have the focus and drive to push his way onto the roster, and with the way last year's guys struggled to get on the field, that could be his opportunity to shine.

Posted by: pdfordiii | June 15, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"The truck jumper, Eloi: keep an eye on him. This guy may have the focus and drive to push his way onto the roster, and with the way last year's guys struggled to get on the field, that could be his opportunity to shine.Posted by: pdfordiii"

Plus if there are any trucks that need jumping...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins sign Hackett, I resolve to call him "Buddy." I mean, why wouldn't you?

Unless he does something bad, at which time his name will become "D.J. Tanner" until he redeems himself.

Posted by: freakzilla | June 16, 2009 3:09 AM | Report abuse

it sounds like brandon marshall is unhappy in denver. any chance the skins make an attempt to get him?

Posted by: slim4 | June 16, 2009 6:06 AM | Report abuse

any chance the skins make an attempt to get him?

Posted by: slim4 | June 16, 2009 6:06 AM |

No.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

brandon marshall has as much a chance as comming to DC at this point as Boldin or 8-5

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

it sounds like brandon marshall is unhappy in denver. any chance the skins make an attempt to get him?

Posted by: slim4 | June 16, 2009 6:06 AM

Pass. They call him "Baby T.O."...that should be all you need to know.

If I'm filling out the depth chart I would go like this:

#1 Moss
#2 Thomas/Kelly
#3 ARE
#4 Kelly/Thomas
#5 Roydell Williams

The wild card is Williams...he's good enough to beat out the 2nd rounders and ARE for that #2 spot, which would be a HUGE coup for the Skins if it happens. But I'm not sure he's a special teamer, and your #5 WR needs to be.

I get miffed looking at that depth chart because it just highlights what a waste it was to spend 2 2nd rounders on the same position last year. Unless Kelly and Thomas beat everyone out for the top 2 WR spots, you've wasted at least one of those 2nd round picks. Your 2nd rounders should be starters, not #4 on your depth chart.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"If I'm filling out the depth chart I would go like this":

#1 Moss
#2 Thomas/Kelly
#3 ARE
#4 Kelly/Thomas
#5 Roydell Williams

Based on the numbers that were cited when Williams was signed by the skins:

2007 Tennessee Titans 16 14 55 719 13.1 48 4

he's actually a #2 receiver (his 55 catches in '07 compare favorably with ARE's 53 for us in '08).

I think the depth chart might look like this come September:

Moss
Williams
Thomas
Randle El
Mitchell/Kelly (is he healthy?)

The team has a terrible punt returner in El and should lighten his load at receiver to make returning his focus.

Thomas should have the shot a 3rd receiver, plain and simple.

And stashing Mitchell on the practice squad only exposes him. Why do that when you can't trust Kelly to be healthy?

I'd put Kelly on practice squad knowing no team would reach for a guy with his injury history.

No team but ours.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I'd put Kelly on practice squad knowing no team would reach for a guy with his injury history.

No team but ours.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 8:02 AM

Ah, Moe, there's plenty of teams who would grab him off the practice squad. Not many would have spent a second round pick on him, but grabbing him off the practice squad would be a steal. Lot of peeps had him rated a late first round pick in last year's draft.

But, more likely scenario would be that he injures himself in pre-season and spends the year on IR.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

I think Williams is the starter if he's healthy and catches on to the offense quickly. My hope is that the 2nd rounders progress enough to move ARE out of the WR rotation and make him just the return man, eventually ushering him out the door next season. But your plan to stash Kelly on the practice squad would never work. Teams with a big need at WR would snatch him up off waivers fast enough to make your head spin.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Woo, hoo! June 16,2009, 8:22 AM. Me and Brownwood in complete agreement!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I know, T_E...wonders never cease!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "2007 Tennessee Titans 16 14 55 719 13.1 48 4 [Roydell Williams is] actually a #2 receiver (his 55 catches in '07 compare favorably with ARE's 53 for us in '08)."

That's true -- he played well up to his injury. He seemed flabbergasted that the Titans let him go. But they were obviously dissatisfied with their passing game, which was actually a bit worse than Washington's, if you can believe that. They signed Nate Washington from the Steelers, who has similar skills to Roydell, and drafted Kenny Britt out of Rutgers to play alongside Justin Gage (seem to lean towards big receivers).

Tennessee's an odd club -- they won last year by avoiding TOs (like the Skins) and by forcing the other team into TOs (unlike the Skins). Their starting QB is 36, and their supertalented backup is on Prozac.

This could be a team that, depending on their schedule, could struggle a little this year.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article on one independent statistician's view on the Top 50 CBs in the league. Notice where our best CB ranks (for those that are blinded by highlight reels, you may be surprised at who it is and where he's ranked).

In typical back-patting fashion, I'd like to say that I've been echoing this sentiment all along (especially when the "trade Rogers" crowd sprouted just as quickly as the "start Brennan" crowd).

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3830776

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

talentevaluator: "Not many would have spent a second round pick on him, but grabbing him off the practice squad would be a steal. Lot of peeps had him rated a late first round pick in last year's draft."

That was the strangest WR receiver draft in memory -- none in the first, ten in the second. Three of those second rounders had outstanding seasons, a fourth (Jordy Nelson) was very solid. So did teams underrate the class, or was something else going on? It may be more about herd psychology than about the merits of individual players.

On talent alone, versus recent seasons, Kelly would seem to have been a late-first rounder. With the injury history, you could see him going in the mid to late second. But not much lower than that. He's that good. Will he ever be healthy again?

I ain't no doctor.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

This could be a team that, depending on their schedule, could struggle a little this year.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2009 8:48 AM

I've noticed a trend in Tennessee under Jeff Fisher that his teams usually don't do so well after having a big year. They'll come out of nowhere and put up 12-13 wins but then come back down to the pack the following season. I wouldn't be surprised to see that trend continue. I think Houston is going to surprise some people by winning 10 games or so and the Colts are still gonna be pretty good even though they lost damn near their entire coaching staff. I can see the Titans falling to 3rd place if not last.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

I think Williams is the starter if he's healthy and catches on to the offense quickly. My hope is that the 2nd rounders progress enough to move ARE out of the WR rotation and make him just the return man, eventually ushering him out the door next season. But your plan to stash Kelly on the practice squad would never work. Teams with a big need at WR would snatch him up off waivers fast enough to make your head spin.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I am fairly sure that we cannot stick Kelly on the Practice squad at this point. He was active for a few games last year and I am not sure but that does make you ineligible at one point.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Here are the rules for a practice squad player: Both rookies and young veterans are eligible for the practice squad. However, a player cannot participate on the practice squad for more than three seasons, or if he has accrued a year of NFL experience (six or more games on a club's 53-man active roster or official Injured Reserve list.)

Kelly was active for 5 games according to Yahoo, but he was still on the roster all year, so I don't know what the rules would end up being.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I think its time for Randell El to go, start Moss, Williams Thomas with Kelly and Mitchell If they want another vet sign Hackett.El cant stay healthy or get open, especially in the red zone.

Posted by: stone_cold_gary | June 16, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Is Williams Healthy?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I never knew Elfin could be so cruel......

Lloyd now a Bronco By David Elfin on June 15, 2009 into Redskins 360


In the latest proof of a sucker being born every minute, first-year Broncos coach Josh McDaniels has decided to spoil his locker room chemistry by signing receiver Brandon "Laryngitis" Lloyd.

The moody, unproductive receiver was arguably the biggest bust of the Redskins' post-Jeff George era. Transfixed by Lloyd's athleticism, Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato and Joe Gibbs traded for him in 2006 without seemingly checking with anyone in San Francisco who could've told the Redskins' brass that he had no work ethic and was hated by his teammates, coaches and the media that covered the 49ers.

The same scenario soon unfolded in Washington, which dumped him after two worthless seasons during which he never scored a touchdown.

Lloyd, who turns 28 next month, sort of resuscitated his career last year in Chicago under offensive coordinator Ron Turner, his coach at Illinois, with 26 catches for 364 yards and two touchdowns in 11 games.

Lloyd once excused his poor play during the Redskins' ugly 2006 season by saying he played better for winners. Trouble is that he has never played for one during his seven NFL season. And with his addition, the Broncos have sealed another season out of the playoffs.

-- David Elfin

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

Whether he is lawfully able to get on the practice squad or not, he's as good as gone if you make that move. The whole point of the practice squad is to be able to hold on to and develop late round picks and undrafted rookies that you think are promising. Guys taken in the first 4 rounds should already be on your 53 man roster, otherwise they're not worth taking that high.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Kelly can't go on the practice squad because you would have to cut him 1st, then you sign him to the P Squad.

But that wouldn't happen because Jerry Jones will scoop him right up and we'll be regretting it for the next 10 years....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

After what happened last year with our rook WR I do not see how anyone can Justify having Mitchell on the roster, I know we just signed him but we were shown last year just how far a WR has to come to be relevent on the field ( in route running, getting off the line, NOT GETTING PASS INTERFERENCE) and staying healthy in general.
Marko seems to me to have taken a very similar path as Thomas, only stared for a couple of year but put up good numbers and has a lot of upside. We all saw what happened by putting Thomas out there last year, bad at the start getting better by the end. I dont think we can afford to have that much inexperience on this WR core.
However if Kelly continues to stay injured all of this may be moot anyways. If not then Roydell edges out for the last spot on experience alone.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

This is how the WR scenerio will go. First off it will come down to who does the best in training camp and pre-season. Note I said training camp and pre-season. Moss is locked in at our #1 receiver. Randle-El is not getting released, but he can get beat out of the number 2 spot. If nobody beats him out for the number 2 spot, then he will be our #2 receiver like it or not. If Malcolm Kelly starts to have more problems with his knees before the season starts then maybe we need to release him or move him to the pratice squad. I have a feeling that Marko Mithell will out shine a couple of these receivers in pre-season and get a roster spot. Make no mistakes about it, after Moss anything can happen. I wouldn't be suprised if someone performs so well that they ended up starting opposite of Moss by the Giants game. One thing that everybody is sleeping on is Fred Davis. Jim Zorn couldn't run those two TE receiver sets last year, but this year he will. Cooley and Davis on the field at the same time causing so much havoc in the NFC EAST. Remember Davis was the best TE in college when we drafted him. Thomas or Kelly will show up this year, hopefully both. We will have a receiver show up for us this year that we don't see yet. It will all depend on Cambell though. If he plays well this year and the skins make the playoffs, he will get re-signed and Zorn will be our head coach for years to come.

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | June 16, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Elfin got all in Brandon Lloyd's ass on that one! Did he bang his wife or something?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

8. Carlos Rogers, Washington Redskins
Season Totals: 105 attempts, 5.69 YPA, 47.62 Forced INC%, 4 TDs, 2 INTs

My two cents: It’s a shame that his playing time was cut down after the acquisition of the horrible DeAngelo Hall, and when Shawn Springs got healthy. I don’t understand how the Redskins could put guys like Hall and Fred Smoot on the field before this guy. Despite being thrown at 105 times (3rd most in NFL) Rogers held his own. His low YPA and high forced incompletion percentage should earn him respect from around the league.

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PSP - This list is completely flawed. Champ is not even on the list.

Also, CR22 was thrown at the most in the whole top 50. He was thrown at the most because the other teams OC and QB knows he can't catch a ball for SJK. So the worst thing that can happen is an incomplete pass. And some of the TDs came at the most inopportune time. That's why DHall surpassed him on the depth chart last year.....

I really don't want to trade Rogers, but if they do, we have to get atleast a low 1st rounder. But, I think we should be straight with DHall and CR22 for years as long as CR22's ego isn't shot when his deal comes up shorter than DHall's....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The average amount of times of CBs being thrown at on that list is between the 40 - 50 range. The threw at CR22 2x as much as anyone else on the list. So, that must mean that he is the one to pick on.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor
Where u get that from?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

At this point you have to think that the #5 spot will end up going to Roydell but its pointless to discuss this until camp gets underway and we get to see these guys really battle for it in the preseason games.

I would still like to see Hackett come in and compete after hearing about Roydell's unfamiliarity with our offense.

Mitchell and Eloi could hit the practice squad and act as insurance in case Kelly's knee doesnt hold up.

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 16, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

The average amount of times of CBs being thrown at on that list is between the 40 - 50 range. The threw at CR22 2x as much as anyone else on the list. So, that must mean that he is the one to pick on.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I think that a lot of teams wanted to go after Los, over what they thought was a healthy Springs. I noticed all last season that Rogers looked bigger not a skinny kid anymore, and that something clicked for him at the beginning of the season in terms of how he covers guys. He can shut down a WR. Even when playing with a cushion he was tracking the other guys significantly better. We also saw our CBs playing closer to the line last year. Rogers is getting better, but may as well have a sock puppet on his hand.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3830776

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2009 8:51 AM

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

4th,
I give the guy credit for his work putting together that data. But he seems to overly rely on said work. I would like to see his data when related to the play time of each player and draw my own conclusions.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3830776

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2009 8:51 AM

This is the stupidest list of any kind I've ever seen. Any Top 50 list of corners that has Corey f-ing Webster as ranked 2nd and Champ Bailey left off it altogether is beyond dumb. Champ ain't what he used to be, but you can't tell me he's worse than Pacman Jones.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"Champ is not even on the list."

Champ is on that list -- down below, as a notable omission. Why? Because he allowed twice as many yards per catch as Rogers, and forced 25% less incompletions per pass attempt than Rogers.

The list is far from flawed. His rankings are up for debate, but the statistics are very telling. Rogers is an elite cover corner. What TDs came at the most inopportune time? He gave up one in the first half against Cincinnati (after saving a TD by running down an 80 yard screen pass). He gave up another to Hines Ward in a game where Pittsburgh was murdering us. A third came to Calvin Johnson in a game that we had already essentially clinched. The 4th was the result of a desperation break on the ball, and a counter double-move, against Derrick Mason when Baltimore was running the ball down our throats and killing the 4th quarter clock. Only the Baltimore TD would be considered "an inopportune time", and it was a situation where a play HAD to be made if this team was going to come from behind. He got burnt taking a gamble. Not much different than a QB throwing a desperation INT with a late 4th quarter deficit.

Again, this is all selective memory playing in here. Carlos Rogers was by far the best CB we had last season. He ended up with 2 INTs, forced a 3rd (Rocky Macintosh's vs Dallas), was the most reliable hitter out of the group, and was the most reliable health-wise as well. The man who created the rankings is an independent statistician and analyst. He's not getting paid by Rogers to select him so high.

BTW, DHall was thrown on more than Rogers, despite QBs knowing he has the ability to snag INTs. And he was beaten way more often as well. And gave up a much higher YPC. That's why Rogers is on this list, and Hall is not (and to be clear, I'm not bashing Hall. But he was not as good as Rogers).

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I already like Tenorio better than JLC

Posted by: RAKem | June 16, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Here's what I noticed about the CB list ---
Oakland Raiders with 3 (count'em) 3 cornerbacks in the top 11.

Then how did Oakland manage to finish 32nd in passing yards yielded, and 29th in total defense?

How'd they manage to give up 325 first downs to opponents, while ranking 10th against the run? And collecting a respectable 32 sacks?

The sack total, by the way, ranks them one behind the Ravens and ahead of Arizona and New England.

And Oakland finished 10th in INTs, one spot behind the Giants.

Talk about your statistical anomalies -- go ahead, somebody blame that on safety play...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"I really don't want to trade Rogers, but if they do, we have to get atleast a low 1st rounder"

Never, ever, ever gonna happen.

Also, the Redskins should trade a first and a third next year to the Bronco's for brandon lloyd.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I agree with PSP on his analysis of the analysis. I would love to see this fellows raw Data and a full published report. And compile said data with that in the NFL.com stats on tackles and whatnot.


I think information like this has a ton of value.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

You're right PSP. I don't give Rogers enough credit. I think I mainly do that because his attitude went down south the 2nd half of the season last year, which has me questioning his mental at the moment. If he can get past that he will be very good for a very long time...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I like our secondary.

That is all.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't recall Rogers attitude "going south" I mean it did a bit when we got Hall, but I kinda expect that from a player when all the sudden you have 3-4 starting caliber guys at your spot. Its not like Rogers quit doing his job.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Bean - It all depends on the CBA. Carlos wants his pockets to be straight and if he becomes a RFA after this year, don't look for Vinny to open up negotiations. And if they ever do, I see him being the next home grown player (meaning Skins were their 1st team in the league) to leave.

Others who have done so in the past - Shawn Barber, Champ, Dockery, Pierce, K Campbell, Trent Green, are just off the top of my head.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Ah, Moe, there's plenty of teams who would grab him (M Kelly) off the practice squad.

So between Marko Mitchell and Malcolm Kelly we have two big wide receivers--one with an injury history, the other, a lot of upside.

Me: I like upside. If I'm an NFL GM, an undrafted guy who's healthy and has size means more than an alleged talent guy who can't get on the field.

I'd never stake much on potential that might break down just after I begin depending on a guy.

Kelly was rated a low round pick by some teams, but the injury history is why so many steered clear of him.

So how does someone who might spend a ton of time with a trainer rank in professional football?: low, in my mind, even if there are glimpses of 'talent' in him.

Between possible injury and probable production, the chances are that Marko Mitchell will produce more than M Kelly as he comes without the knee issue.

I like Mitchell as fifth receiver. The practice squad rules notwithstanding, Kelly is stashed on the IR from day one the minute he's hurt--again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Greg - I agree - I think the 'Skins should trade a first, a third and a FIFTH (your choice of beverage) for Receiver, The. He can join Mason and Leigh Torrence in our back to glory season

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is you can make stats say whatever you want them to say, especially in football. This is a team game; you can't just take raw data like that and make into a "this corner is great, and this one isn't" thing.

Take the Corey Webster ranking: how in the hell is he 2nd? Is he really that good a CB or does he have the league's best pass rush in front of him? And who gets credit for an incomplete pass? The corner's coverage or the DE that got in the QB's face as he overthrew it? Unless this guy watched every play of every game in 2008, he doesn't know.

So take the list for what it is: subjective BS to fill time until training camp.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Our secondary is tops in the league. I like Carlos , he stays on his man like white on rice. He can't catch , but he doesn't get beat very often.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

And--on the wide receiver issue--Roydell Williams had 55 catched with the playoff bound Titans in 2007, but he comes to the Washington Redskins to fight for the 5th spot 2 notches behind ARE who had 53 catches in 2008?

Sheeez!

C'mon, folks, you have to hope Williams is a guts-guy who fights for and wins the second spot.

Moss-Cooley-Williams should be the Opening Day receiving group.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

So between Marko Mitchell and Malcolm Kelly we have two big wide receivers--one with an injury history, the other, a lot of upside.


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 10:17 AM

Who the hell said Marko has "upside"? He was a few picks from being undrafted! If he was 5'll" instead of 6'4", would you be saying that?

I've said it a million times...the Skins made their bed at WR by taking Thomas AND Kelly in the 2nd round. When you make that kind of investment in a player, you have to give him every opportunity to be good or you wasted the pick. And unless he's a HUGE turd, NOBODY gives up on a 2nd rounder after 1 year.

Mitchell goes to the practice squad until he can prove he can beat out the other 5 guys. If he had so much "upside", he would have been taken much higher than the 7th round.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"BTW, DHall was thrown on more than Rogers, despite QBs knowing he has the ability to snag INTs. And he was beaten way more often as well. And gave up a much higher YPC. That's why Rogers is on this list, and Hall is not (and to be clear, I'm not bashing Hall. But he was not as good as Rogers).
Posted by: psps23"

Hall had a terrible start last season. But he played much better in Washington. The coaches seemed to have preferred his play to Rogers', for reasons known only to them. Maybe they were trying to get that INT total up.

I like them both. If I were the FO, I would have let Springs go, too. Or converted him to safety, where he could really help us.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"Carlos wants his pockets to be straight and if he becomes a RFA after this year, don't look for Vinny to open up negotiations."

The Auburn Tiger who won't be a Redskin in 2010:

Jason Campbell or Carlos Rogers?

My hunch is that neither will be re-signed.

Kevin Barnes is CR's replacement if he shows he can play.

Thing is, will the skins use a 1st round pick in 2010 to get a quarterback (Bradford, Tebow, McCoy, et al) or make a deal?

We will see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"Unless this guy watched every play of every game in 2008, he doesn't know."

In his disclaimer, he does say that he watched every play of all 256 NFL regular season games, then calculated his own statistics and analyses based on the film. Take that for what it's worth. I personally believe it to be the best and most complete statistical analysis of the cornerback position I've ever seen (rather than the usual completely subjective opinion of people skewed by highlight reels, which tend to list Terence Newman and Al Harris as "shutdown" corners. Talk about a joke).

And Cory Webster is very, very, very good.

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

JESUS SOMEONE SHUT RED UP BEFORE I ATTACK HIM WITH MY ARMY

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 16, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

How does that list rank folding Josh Cribbs like a lawn chair, i feel CR22 would be near the top of that list.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

If Rogers isn't re-signed, he'll play for the Cowboys.

I think they would appreciate him a lot more than some 'skins fans do.

They also could really use the CB help.

And if does go to Dallas, watch how he'll rack up the picks. And even if he doesn't they really don't need Rogers to get picks like that. Not when you have Ware and them sacking the QB, which is about the same as a INT.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Hall had a terrible start last season. But he played much better in Washington. The coaches seemed to have preferred his play to Rogers', for reasons known only to them. Maybe they were trying to get that INT total up."

I think part of it could have been that our offense was struggling so bad, the coaching staff needed our defense to be more turnover-prone. And Hall did play great for us. As did Springs.

Of course, it could have been the same reasoning behind giving Jason Taylor the ultimate leash. One guy stands out in your mind with big play ability. But most of the time, it's the little things that make the games go.

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Thing is, will the skins use a 1st round pick in 2010 to get a quarterback (Bradford, Tebow, McCoy, et al) or make a deal?

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 10:30 AM

As soon as I saw that they weren't getting Sanchez I already knew they were well on their way to getting Sam Bradford. In my mind, Jason Campbell is already gone and I'm just waiting for the Sam Bradford jerseys to come out.

As much as I disagree with that scenario...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Truth, keep your army to yourself... I like women secretions.

Did you brush your teeth this morning? It's embarrassing when your teacher calls me at work to complain about your stank breath.

Oh, and brush your tongue. It looks like you're still drinking similac, similac stank breath boy.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

It doen't matter who plays WR...If JC is laying on his back..........

Posted by: BingCreole | June 16, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Attention RI Nation!

You have GOT to see Artie Lange OWN Joe Buck on the premiere of "Joe Buck Live" last night. It's not safe for work (lots of cussing), but it's HILARIOUS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTRHf1quLnU

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Trade CR?

Forward thinking teams would've moved CR prior to the draft in 2009 to acquire picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Forward thinking teams would've moved CR prior to the draft in 2009 to acquire picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 11:21 AM

Forward thinking teams wouldn't have traded 2nd and 6th rounders to Miami for a 33 year-old speed rusher, thus eliminating the need to trade a proven starter for more draft picks...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Forward thinking teams always fleece the Redskins.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

but it's HILARIOUS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTRHf1quLnU

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 11:15 AM

I thought it was good. Buck isn't ready. He's too politically correct, unlike his father! Dude basically welcomed him to the real world.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

forward thinking teams wouldn't have lost Pierce....

Lets revisit the year 2000 signings as well.....I've built a time machine, in case anyone wants to go back in time, and warn the Redskins not to sign those guys......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Forward thinking teams always fleece the Redskins."

And would have again had we put Rogers on the market.

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

It saddens me that Lang will be dead of a drug overdose in the next 2-3 years. Well not really saddens.

Whoever put Lang on JoeBucks show was on the same stuff Lang was on.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Buck isn't ready. He's too politically correct, unlike his father! Dude basically welcomed him to the real world.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 11:28 AM

Agreed. Dude has NO crossover appeal whatsoever...he doesn't even appeal to most guys as a broadcaster! What made the whole thing funnier is that I'm about 85% sure that Joe Buck is gay, and Artie went after that before he could even finish the intro.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Marko Mitchell pulls a Gus Ferrotte and makes the higher drafted WR's Kelly and Thomas look Shuler-esque.

Posted by: skinswest | June 16, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

A little off topic here, but in case people hadn't noticed: Six Flags (controlled by The Danny) filed for bankruptcy protection on June 13. This can't do much for our boy's bottom line or his willingness to spend money on our beloved Redskins. That might be a good thing, though.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | June 16, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Gee, appealing to gay guys in hollywood. I can't imagine...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

The best part was where he was ripping The Cowboys, Irving, and Tony Homo and his fat Chris Farley like girlfriend!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Everyone over there at the Post got the day off?

At least Elfin at the Times managed to squeeze out a piece on BLloyd signing with the Broncos.

Fans need a lifeline between now and Training Camp. Give us content!

Posted by: McMetal | June 16, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

HBO already pulled the You tube video. I did not get to see the whole show (no HBO) but heard the stuff they did for the web.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Rogers surprised me last year. He was very good early in the season -- Pro Bowl level. Which is amazing since he'd never played at nearly that level before ... and ... he was coming off a knee surgery that easily could slowed him up and been a career limiter.

Second half, Rogers played less, also looked like he was more worn down.

Overall. Rogers was a very pleasant surprise last year and as long as he can play at the level he played at in much of '08, I'm good. If he hangs on to a few more balls, he's great.

Also, fwiw ... I recall bringing Nnamdi up on this blog last year and everyone said 'who?'. The guy has no highlight reel to begin with and plays in Oakland. Talk about obscure. But he gave up less than 10 yards a game in receptions. That is sick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I can still remember watching the PAckers/Vilings Playoff game when Bucks most imfamous qoute, 'What a dispecaful/disgusting act'. I was saying to myself WTF is he talking about?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm about 85% sure that Joe Buck is gay, and Artie went after that before he could even finish the intro.

Posted by: brownwood26

B I thought the same thing about Joe Buck.

Posted by: jm220 | June 16, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

4th was that after a TD celebration of dropping the deuce?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the moon shine incident! Buck took the enjoyment of the game away by all of sudden raising his ethical standard bar,,,,,

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm about 85% sure that Joe Buck is gay, and Artie went after that before he could even finish the intro.

Posted by: brownwood26


I guess that would explain his chanel lipstick he appears to be wearing on TV.

Especially in the booth.

"Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up..."

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

If Kelley is injured again this training camp/preseason I say release him and be through with it, instead of stashing him on IR, I mean dam, the guy was avoided by other COMPETENT, SMART FO's because of his knees.Accept the mistake and move on.

Read in my morning paper,"Daily Press", that a couple of teams are interested in signing P.Burress, Jets, Tampa Bay, Chicago, and possibly, who else? Washington. What do you all think?

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth is going to serve 30 days in jail after pleading guilty in Florida to a DUI manslaughter charge.

The plea deal announced Tuesday calls for the 28-year-old Stallworth to also serve 10 years' probation and do 1,000 community service hours for killing a pedestrian he hit with his car. Stallworth had faced up to 15 years in prison.

From 15 years to 30 days! Wow.

Police say Stallworth was drinking at a hotel bar before the March 14 crash that killed 59-year-old construction worker Mario Reyes. Tests showed Stallworth's blood-alcohol content was .126.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

wow, about stallworth...that is just crazy...yikes...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

yeah, 30 days from 15 years is pretty astonishing, but they usually have to get the family of the victim to buy into the sentence. Also, take some time to consider 10 years of seeing your probation officer at least once a month, plus peeing in a cup every month for 10 years - and 1,000 hours of community service is basically 1/2 year of full time work. So, it ain't a cakewalk, by any means.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I think I'd take Plax. While I'm not a fan of headaches, I do like a proven receiver. Not as much trouble as TO, about as much talent.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I think I'd take Plax. While I'm not a fan of headaches, I do like a proven receiver. Not as much trouble as TO, about as much talent.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 12:12 PM

Pass. And with gun laws less stringent as in New York, he can be free to blow holes in his legs without fear of prosecution. The Skins have made their bed at WR and won't be making a move there for awhile.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is a coverage STUD! Can't catch worth a darn, but that may change now that we have a push up the middle from Haynesworth...

The Skins FO would be incredibly moronic if they do not resign CR22 to a long term contract.

All this undoubtedly means he will play elsewhere soon....

Posted by: oldnova | June 16, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Plax over any receiver on our squad besides Moss & Cooley.

I'd like to think the self-mutilation would have taught him something. We'll see, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The Reyes family choose money over paying the price of losing a loved one suddenly and too soon...

So Sad........

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who missed the Artie Lange antics on Joe Buck's show (HBO apparently had YouTube pull it), here's another site that has it:

http://broadcatching.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/artie-lange-on-joe-buck-live/

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Just who or what is this Artie Lange? I saw him on the new Joe Buck HBO show last night. I didn't know if he was acting or for real. Is this guy serious? He seemed like a complete jerk and ruined the last couple of minutes, how is he relevant?

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The Reyes family choose money over paying the price of losing a loved one suddenly and too soon...

So Sad........

Posted by: 4thFloor

which is why the state prosecutes, not civil courts. but it does seem like it gets intertwined.

Can't blame the family, though. If I were in that situation, I'd be interested in the $$. Sending him to jail leaves me poorer -- money is the only thing I can get from this tragedy. Plus, I can only imagine how little fun it would be to spend hours with attorneys and in court trying to get 'justice'.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Um - 72. You're, like, joking, right?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Get sauced, get behind the wheel, kill somebody, and you walk.

In possession of a loaded weapon, that's unregistered, shoot yourself, and in a seemingly open and shut case, you continuously have your trial date pushed back.

Kill a few dogs, do your time, and still have people against you.

Go figure.

I love our justice system.

That is all.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Um,no I'm not joking?

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

red, no kidding....I don't get it...how does this happen??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Stallworth to the Family:

'You see that little guy over there? I know you see him. I've had him follow you for the past 3 months. The fellow over there. Bug Eyes. Always staring. See, that's the money you could be making if I don't go to jail for a long time.'

Then the music comes on.... I always feel like...Somebody's watching meeeeeee..

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Arte Lange is Howard Stern's sidekick.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Greg - How does Stallworth get out of it? - or rather, get a ridiculously light sentence?

1. I bet he passed the field sobriety tests, just not the breathalyzer. .126 is drunk, but not exceedingly so. Makes for a dicey case for the prosecuters.
2. He's got a hugely high priced lawyer and lots of money to decide to have a jury trial.
3. The DA does not want to risk his conviction rate on a high profile case, and the family is willing to take some money to accept a lenient plea deal.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh - ok, wasn't sure.

Artie Lang is a comedian who's been able to correctly identify the post baby-boomer adult male 'regular guy' demographic.

He has a current New York Times best-seller. He has an independent film which is must viewing for anyone on this blog: Beer League.

He's basically taken up the Don Rickles/Rodney Dangerfield mantle. And wears it well.

He's also a regular on the Howard (two tickets to the 14th st bridge) Stern show. He was on Mad TV for a while, but was too boorish for even them. That's GOTTA be good, right?

He is a brilliant but sad figure who deserves both the accolades and jeers he receives.

And he P0wned Buck. lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Artie is also always a safe choice for a Death Pool. He's gonna go Belushi/Farley on us one of these days.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

'You see that little guy over there? I know you see him. I've had him follow you for the past 3 months. The fellow over there. Bug Eyes. Always staring. See, that's the money you could be making if I don't go to jail for a long time.'

Then the music comes on.... I always feel like...Somebody's watching meeeeeee..

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse


LMAO

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

He's actually lost some weight. He's started swimming.

I think the book thing helped his self image.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle:
Thanks for the info on A.Lange, before last night had never heard or seen the guy, which isn't strange since I'm not a fan of Howard Stern, or Mad TV. Beer League, sounds like one of those movies where it's nothing but juvenile sex/fart/body fluid jokes and antics and crass and crude language etc. also not my cup of tea. I failed to see any talent or entertainment value to the guy, just another sad,rude,self-loathing, pathetic,foul mouthed fat guy, which I guess in these days and times is attractive in some circles.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

72,

Here is my Bias-bio of Lange:

Artie Lange is a comedian who is on The Howard Stern Radio Show, he became a regular on Stern's Show around the time that Stern stopped being relevant i.e.: just before he got off regular radio and went onto satellite. The hight of his Film/TV career was being in Season 1 of Mad TV (1995) and as Norm McDonnald's side kick in Dirty Work (1998). He also has had small rolls in a few other films and done several bits with Will Ferral.

Dik, don't pretend to be shocked that few people know who Lange is, he has never been the main guy on a show, and because he works "blue" he is not accepted by the MSM. We are not talking about a John Stewart here.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Especially true if all the stories about his excessive Coke and Heroine use are true.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Ok, first. You're a dick. I should know.

Second: Beer League actually has some kinda touching moments and is considered up there with Caddyshack by some. Please tell me you like Caddyshack.

And Third, sorry about your vulva. You are pretty much STANDING in the circle.

Pretty much stands to reason why I thought you were joking....

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Anybody remember Artie in the "My White Mama" skit on MadTv? Absolutely hilarious!

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

HBO couldn't find anyone else with anymore redeeming value than that to include in the opening lineup?

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I ain't no who Artie was either, don't feel bad 72'skins.

bean, I guess Plaxico has the second coming of Cochran or someone.

I'm not hoping or even wanting for either Plaxico or Stallworth to go to prison, I'm just confused how sh*t works in this country.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Anybody remember Artie in the "My White Mama" skit on MadTv? Absolutely hilarious!

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Only Skit I remember being all Artie that I loved was the *%#$ plumber. But I think I was 13 at the time.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Only Skit I remember being all Artie that I loved was the *%#$ plumber. But I think I was 13 at the time.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse
I think that was Will Sasso.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Between them, Thomas, Kelly and Davis will amount to the big, tall pass catcher -- the One Player Away -- we need to advance in the 2007 playoffs.

Mock my words...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2009 3:28 PM |

Glad to oblige. Correct usage is "Among them." Use "between" when comparing two entities. When comparing three inept receivers, for instance, "Among" must be used.

Posted by: TheCork | June 16, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

We should make a run at brandon marshall. The broncos just moved to a 3-4, and im sure they would give us marshall for golston/montgomery, and 2nd rounder this year and a 3rd next year. we spent a 2nd on kelly and thomas, and marshall is more than we are hoping kelly develops into, and we can get him a bit cheaper because he demanded a trade and is coming off injury. He's one of the most dominant recievers in the game, and he would take JC over the top. i would jump on this deal if i were vinny, hes only 25 and still learning the game, yet he still finished 3rd in the league in catches and had games of 18, 9, 10, 11 receptions. He will take our offense over the top, he can catch the ball in any part of the field, and he cant be stopped when he's remotely on his game.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | June 16, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Among us RI insiders, we're glad Cork has made that special grammatical update for us.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

i would even give them golston and a 1st, he's a reciever where you can just throw it up and he will get it 95% of the time. Red Zone issues solved, stack the box, solved, small recievers, he's 6'4, and he's from central florida so he will fit right in with our miami vice crew

Posted by: DaFunBunch | June 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Bringing in Brandon Marshall would be magnificent.Aside from his uncanny ability to catch footballs , he wears very fashionable sunglasses.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised people don't know who Artie is. I'm surprised people HERE don't know who Artie is.

But that's not even what gets me. It's sitting on a trivial sports-hole blog in the middle of the day and then lambasting the very traits that most of us here, in one way or another, personify.

Are you sure your wife didn't put you up to that? I'm sure George Plimpton would have been a much better choice. Or heck, Buck coulda done what he really wanted and had the 'queer eye' guys on. That woulda ROCKED! [:-|

And what do you want next to hack #4 from SNL and an actor who's best work includes getting belittled by a 7 year old? Obviously someone at HBO saw the dire need for some testosterone and/or talent on that panel somewhere.

Lang owned that panel to the point where we're still talking about it now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

talent-wise, Marshall would be a real coup. Cap-wise -- not sure if that works. Priority-wise, its the OL. Character-wise, it'd be consistent with the recent policy that character isn't an issue.

As much as I would like a Marshall-like talent here, any investments the Skins make need to be on the OL. Way too many question marks. Even if the three headed champagne brunch of Heyer, Williams and Bridges produces a quality RT, we're still at risk at RG and C. And Samuels is getting up there, though I think he lasts until 2011 or so.

Its about injuries on the OL ... we're adequate if everyone is fully healthy. But we're rarely healthy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

It just goes to show you how un-balanced our justice system is. Michael Vick get two years in jail for killing dogs. I know killing dogs is not right, but he got to years from the FBI for that. Stallworth gets a month in jail and 10 years probation and has to pay the family a little money. By the way..... Stallworth is a millionaire. A few dollars is chump change to him. Stallworth took a guy life. He will never be able to be with his family again. If that had been me, a regular 9 to 5 guy living in Virginia I would have gotten the whole 15 years. A millionaire NFL star kills a man a he gets probation, a fine, and pays the family a nice sum of money to stay out of the courts. By the way his blood alcohol level was a DUI. Sorry everyone don't want to hear no more talk about how fair our justice system is.

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | June 16, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see our receivers look like:

1: Moss
2: DJ Hackett
3: Roydell Williams
4: Kelly
5: Thomas

Its time to cut ARE IMO

Posted by: mac2j | June 16, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Skins play the browns at any point here?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Skins played the browns last year, so not again until 2011

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

http://newsticker.welt.de/?module=smarthouse&id=903396

2nd Washington Athlete to grace the cover of a video game I believe.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, who cares about the 4th or 5th wr? If we want a legit passing game we need to sell out and trade for either Boldin or Marshall. The combo of Moss and El ain't gonna beat nobody.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Its time to cut ARE IMO

Posted by: mac2j | June 16, 2009 1:51 PM |

You don't cut ARE until five other guys are better WRs than he is. That sure won't be this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I think it's going to be a LOT of $$, not a little.

And Vick tried to cover up the whole thing, did it multiple times, accross state lines. He basically dared the criminal justice system to tap him. So they tapped him. It wasn't until they showed just how bad they had his cajones in a vice that he showed ANY acknowledgement of a serious crime.

Any sympathy you feel for Vick should go right on the shelf next to Ron Mexico's herpes meds.

Now, Stallworth should probably do more, I think, but we weren't involved with the plea. And what's better to the victim's survivors? Stallworth making license plates or making $$ for them?

Please don't think I'm a huge supporter of our legal and penal systems - but I'm currently unaware of the shining paragons that surpass it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Dikshuttle:
F&*%! trash like Artie Lange and you too!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you Talent...cutting Randle El would be pretty dumb. I mean the guy may not be a #1 a a so so at #2 but he is an excellent Slot WR and he has the potential threat of throwing the ball etc....io think he should be taken off punt returns though.


He is not that bad to be cut.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"1. I bet he passed the field sobriety tests, just not the breathalyzer. .126 is drunk, but not exceedingly so. Makes for a dicey case for the prosecuters."

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how this works, but does that really make a difference? Surely all the prosecutors would have to do would be to say, "The law says anything over .08 is drunk. This guy was at .126 which is over 50% above the legal limit."

I realize that everyone processes alcohol differently, but as far as the law is concerned, isn't that pretty much open-and-shut?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | June 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

If we want a legit passing game we need to sell out and trade for either Boldin or Marshall.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 16, 2009 2:00 PM |

This is so boring. Trading picks for disgruntled receivers who want to make top dollar has never worked for anyone. It's a quick fix that fixes nothing. You have two or three fewer young talents and you have a salary cap problem plus, usually, an attitude problem.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Trade next years first, 2nd, and Marcus Mason, to the Pats for Brady, and Moss, as well as jake long from the dolphins. Then trade Haynesworth, and Orakpo to the giants for Pierce.

Championship

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

It just goes to show you how un-balanced our justice system is. Michael Vick get two years in jail for killing dogs. I know killing dogs is not right, but he got to years from the FBI for that. Stallworth gets a month in jail and 10 years probation and has to pay the family a little money. By the way..... Stallworth is a millionaire. A few dollars is chump change to him. Stallworth took a guy life. He will never be able to be with his family again. If that had been me, a regular 9 to 5 guy living in Virginia I would have gotten the whole 15 years. A millionaire NFL star kills a man a he gets probation, a fine, and pays the family a nice sum of money to stay out of the courts. By the way his blood alcohol level was a DUI. Sorry everyone don't want to hear no more talk about how fair our justice system is.

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | June 16, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse


I think you missed the point somewhere. the guys family accepted the punishment and plea and wanted the pay out. the family of the deceased showed leniency and the prosecution agreed to let the family of the deceased have it that way. A few key things happened right off the bat. Stallworth showed he was really remorseful from the night it happened.

Comparing this to Vick who lied to a grand jury and lied to police and tried to cover it up is another whole ball of wax. If Stallworth would have done things in the defensive way...He would be facing 15 years. there is a difference...and if the family of the deceased wants to forgive the accident for money ..thats their choice.

Bottom line...if you want to compare the 2...Vick lied..tried to cover up and did his crimes intentionally. Stallworth's was an accident and he really showed remorse from that monet on. His case was accidental. Huge difference.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Dude - you come out throwing trash in your prissy little outfit and expect not to get any dirt on you?!

Did the other kids pick on you when you did your tap dance in show and tell? Perhaps the doilies you were knitting weren't butch enough...

Remember, you started this - I was just turning you on to a classic american comedian and then you proceed to denegrate the entire genre. You could have stopped at "not my cup of tea" (do you drink the caffeinated kind, btw? or is that too strong for you?). But you thought you'd be cute and basically insult every american comedian who was influenced by Laurel & Hardy over Buster Keaton.

It figures you're crying now like Buck last night. However, something tells me Buck enjoyed his experience more than either of us are enjoying this.

Here's a question since you're not into crass humor, fart jokes, foul language (wotz with the expletives, 72??!! are you stooping to our level?!) - if you're not into those things... What are you doing on a football blog?!

Dude - a REDSKIN footblog!!?? Hoggettes?! "Lighten Up, Sandy Baby"?! what PLANET are you ON?!

BTW, way to blast me with the scintillating repartee. Is that the best you got? really?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I say get rid of Randle El. He is being paid alomst 4 million and that is way too much for him. His 'shuck and jive'on punt returns is comical. I mean his arms and legs are pumping, he is moving east and west, and gets no return yards. It is like all those people who go and eat in Bethesda and think because it costs a lot, it must be good. Same with Randle El. I say cut him and go with the youth.

Posted by: amaledemocrat | June 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I say get rid of Randle El. He is being paid alomst 4 million and that is way too much for him. His 'shuck and jive'on punt returns is comical. I mean his arms and legs are pumping, he is moving east and west, and gets no return yards. It is like all those people who go and eat in Bethesda and think because it costs a lot, it must be good. Same with Randle El. I say cut him and go with the youth.

Posted by: amaledemocrat | June 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle WOW man. You all over Vick as if he was the one that was driving drunk and took a human life. This is a F up world we live in where a dog life seems more important than a human being.

Posted by: jm220 | June 16, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's classic American comedians little boy: Mom's Mabley, Redd Fox, Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, more talent and class than A.Lang has in his left nut

As for tea I like caffeinated Black or Green tea.

Just because you like football doesn't mean you have to like juvenile pottymouth humor, at my age, 50, I outgrew that eons ago.

You have a good day little boy.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I think you missed the point somewhere. the guys family accepted the punishment and plea and wanted the pay out. the family of the deceased showed leniency and the prosecution agreed to let the family of the deceased have it that way. A few key things happened right off the bat. Stallworth showed he was really remorseful from the night it happened.

Comparing this to Vick who lied to a grand jury and lied to police and tried to cover it up is another whole ball of wax. If Stallworth would have done things in the defensive way...He would be facing 15 years. there is a difference...and if the family of the deceased wants to forgive the accident for money ..thats their choice.

Bottom line...if you want to compare the 2...Vick lied..tried to cover up and did his crimes intentionally. Stallworth's was an accident and he really showed remorse from that monet on. His case was accidental. Huge difference.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 2:12 PM

No, you missed the point. Did you ever stop to think that maybe the family didn't have the money to cover to cost to bury their loved one. I've been reading comments on this all day. Most people in America believe that Stallworth got off easy. How do we value life in America. A man was killed by a guy who driving drunk. There is nothing that you can say to change the fact that this man was taken away by his family by a drunk driver. If I did that I'm done. Superstars are always gettin off with a slap on the wrist while most of the hard working americans makes a mistake like this and we get damn near the max amount of time.

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | June 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I think this is pretty easy....

1. Santana Moss

2. Devin Thomas(preferred)/ARE (if Thomas fails)

3.ARE(this is where he can create mitch-matches)

4.Kelly(incumbent)/Mitchell

5.Mitchell/Roydell williams or some young,REALLY FAST ALMOST DEVIN HESTER SPEED type of guy......AND THIS GUY SHOULD BE USED TO CREATE MITCHMATCHES AND A RETURNER

But for real, if Fred Davis can give us atleast 2 plays a game where he makes 15yards a play, that will automatically ease up the tension on Moss and Cooley (cant double two tight ends, Moss will kill'em) and for Thomas/Kelly/ARE to move the chains

Posted by: impervious99 | June 16, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

In order of starting..

Tana at the 1

Senor Thomas at 2, with Randle El moving to his natural slot position

Marko "I can slam dunk" Mitchell/Malcolm Kelly/D.J. Hackett/Roydell Williams...If any of these guys can capture Zorn's confidence (Thomas included) they'll get the chance to play...Zorn has to trust his WRs, or else they sit and toil the practice fields.

Fred Davis needs to make a leap; it would make this WR problem less troublesome and allow us to run a lot of two TE sets, something Zorn talked about when he came here.

Posted by: hoopman927 | June 17, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

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