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Wrapping Up the Day (Final Update)

From Barry and Jason:
In a flurry of roster adjustments that affect offense, defense and special teams, the Redskins replaced their struggling rookie punter with veteran Ryan Plackemeier, ended the season of safety Reed Doughty by placing him on injured reserve because of a back problem and agreed to a deal with former league Most Valuable Player Shaun Alexander to fill in for injured Ladell Betts.

Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins executive vice president for football operations, declined to comment on any of the moves.

Doughty, who began the season as the starting strong safety, has struggled with a nerve problem in his back for the past two weeks. Though rookie Chris Horton had capably replaced him in the starting lineup, the team chose to sign a veteran, former Chicago and Seattle safety Michael Green, to a one-year deal to take Doughty's place on the roster rather than giving more time to Justin Hamilton, who was released after being active for just two games.

"He still has some numbness in his feet," Coach Jim Zorn said of Doughty, and it is possible the 25-year-old will have surgery to correct the problem. "We've got to have production there, especially with a special teamer."

Alexander, 31, took a red-eye from the West Coast this morning, Zorn said, and worked out early at Redskins Park. "He looked fit," Zorn said. Details are still being worked out, Zorn said, but Alexander's role, as a backup for the first time in his career, has already been addressed. He will likely serve to spell Clinton Portis, the NFL's leading rusher, in the role normally occupied by Betts, who sprained his left knee in Sunday's 19-17 loss to the St. Louis Rams.

"I think he is the kind of guy that is smart enough to understand the situation," Zorn said. "We've talked to Clinton. Clinton understands the situation. This thing could be temporary, or it could run the entire season.

"We're not going to put some sort of limitation on where we're at in four weeks, two weeks, however long it takes Ladell to get back. But he knows the situation he's coming into."

Betts said an MRI showed no tear, but he's uncertain how long he'll be out.

"It's a waiting game," Betts said. "It's a matter of how fast I heal up, really. [The amount of time necessary] could vary from person to person and how severe it is. It could be a week, two weeks, three weeks, who knows? But I don't anticipate being out too long."

Yet even on a day in which a three-time Pro Bowler joined the team, the most significant development at Redskins Park likely came at punter. Plackemeier, who punted for Seattle for two seasons but was cut after one game this year, will take the place of Durant Brooks, a sixth-round draft choice who made the Redskins out of training camp but was inconsistent in his six-game career. Brooks ranked last in the NFL in both average yards per kick (39.6) and average net yardage (32.1).

Brooks was waived injured, according to a league source. Because the team used this designation, Brooks can be placed on injured reserve if/when he clears waivers.

Plackemeier was cut by the Seahawks after mustering a 30-yard net average on 11 kicks in Seattle's season-opening loss to Buffalo. In 33 career games, he averaged 42.3 yards per kick with a 37.3-yard net average. He beat out Josh Miller, Waylon Prather and Jeremy Kapinos in auditions at Redskins Park.

Brooks, meanwhile, came to the facility to receive treatment on his injured hip flexor. With his fate hanging in the balance, Brooks said the injury -- first mentioned by Zorn on Monday -- had been bothering him since halftime of a Sept. 21 game at Dallas.
"I thought it was just a little sore," Brooks said. "I wanted to push through it. I tried to tough it out and it just got progressively worse over the next few weeks."

Brooks, the only punter selected in the June draft, beat out veteran Derrick Frost for the job in training camp, but his transgressions included a low kick that New Orleans's Reggie Bush returned for a touchdown and a 26-yarder at a key moment against the Rams. Frost, meantime, has kicked this season for Green Bay, where he, too, has come under fire. Frost ranks 26th in the league with a 43-yard average, and the Packers have auditioned several potential replacements over the past few weeks.

Brooks said he could have kicked this weekend even with the injury, but he had to change his preparation. The entire situation -- poor performance and physical health -- affected his kicking, he said.

"It's a little physical and a little mental," Brooks said. "I'm sitting here thinking about it, trying to get it well. I had to cut my reps in practice. I had to cut my reps in pregame warmups. Yeah, I was in pain. But I don't want to use that as an excuse. That's why I'm trying to keep it quiet. I don't really want to come out and say, 'I'm just hurt. That's why I'm punting bad' or anything."

Alexander was the NFL's MVP in 2005 with Seattle, where Zorn was then the quarterbacks coach. That season, Alexander led the league with 1,880 yards rushing and a then-record 27 rushing touchdowns. But he endured a precipitous fall after that, playing only 23 games in 2006 and '07, when he averaged just 3.5 yards per carry. After being cut last spring by the Seahawks, he tried out with Detroit, New Orleans and Cincinnati, but did not land a spot.

It's unclear how much Alexander would be able to play on Sunday against Cleveland. "He hasn't been hit," Zorn said. But he would, eventually, likely get the carries allotted to Betts, who averaged 6.3 over the first six games, serving to give Portis -- who leads the league with 22.8 rushes a game -- a breather.

"I had a pretty important role," said Betts, averaging 4.1 yards per carry. "Some people might not realize it, but you know, Clinton can't carry the ball 30-40 times a game. They got to have somebody step in."

The Redskins' third running back is special teams ace Rock Cartwright, whose only carry this season came in the fourth quarter against St. Louis, after Betts went out with his injury.

Green, 31, played six season with Chicago, including four years when Redskins defensive coordinator Greg Blache held the same position with the Bears. He played in 15 games for the Seahawks last year, and was last a full-time starter in 2004 with Chicago. He has a reputation as a fine special teams player, Zorn said, though he missed time the past two years because of Achilles tendon and knee injuries.

"Those have been rehabbed," Zorn said. "This is Greg's safety that he's had for years. Very comfortable with him. His name has been brought up several times."

Doughty's injury kept him out of the loss to St. Louis, and he had hoped it would calm down. But the situation leaves the Redskins thin at safety, where Horton and LaRon Landry are the starters. Rookie Kareem Moore played more in Doughty's absence against the Rams, but his failure to properly execute a blitz allowed St. Louis quarterback Marc Bulger extra time to complete a 43-yard pass that put the Rams in position to kick the winning field goal.


By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz  |  October 14, 2008; 4:47 PM ET
 
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Posted by: docjohnson | October 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Cork, go root for them then, if you think they're so well run

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

mor lyk first loser

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting stuff here. Zorn is having an impact on the roster for sure. This front office hasn't done any kind of business with Seattle people for ever, Zorn comes in, and he obviously has some say in the personnel. Three guys all former Seahawks, and one who is also a former Bear(under Blache).

I hope it works out obviously, but I also like it. Vinny and Snyder are NOT calling all the shots. The coaches are getting it done.

Fingers crossed.

Very good.

Posted by: craig2 | October 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The brilliant thing is, Dallas did it as Pacman was suspended-so Goodell won't DARE investigate the swindle Dallas perpetrated on th GM-free Detroits.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2008 4:48 PM

My hope is that you mean this in jest: Roy Williams isn't going to help them that much unless he's 1) going to play CB, 2) keeping T.O. from popping off when Roy gets more balls thrown his way, and 3) throwing to himself while Romo's out. He still has yet to learn the offense, so he MIGHT be ready to go by the time the Cowpies limp into FedEx. This move was made for next season once they cut ties with T.O.

Enough about Satan's Team...solid moves by the Skins today. I still think it's a mistake to sign Alexander, but the move does make sense. He's been in the system before and makes a good change of pace for Portis if he's got anything left in the tank. Plakemeier can play and is a definite upgrade at punter; at 24 he could be the long-term answer to the position. And Michael Green is a former starter in this league that provides some quality depth. I hope they still make a play for Stoutmire; we can barely count on Springs to play corner on a weekly basis, I wouldn't put too much faith in him being there as a safety either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 14, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........

Posted by: marleyb313 | October 14, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully none of this will distract us from beating Cleveland on Sunday....

Posted by: Cobain | October 14, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

By the way, no more talk about Snyder being the overspender after Jerrah Jones gave up a 1st, 3rd, and 6th to get what shakes out to a 2nd receiver. I know they're banged up at that spot, but that's a panic move FAR beyond what the Skins did to get Jason Taylor. And they're in better shape at receiver than the Skins were at DE. Just dumb...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 14, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

And there's this:

"TONY GONZALEZ REMAINS WITH CHIEFS
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 14, 2008, 4:50 p.m. EDT

The NFL trading deadline has come and gone, and the big-name player who was the subject of the most speculation was not traded.

Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez will remain with the team, coach Herm Edwards said at his press conference."

There's more, but that's the important part. Sucks for him for sure, but I really didn't want to see him as a Giant.

Posted by: EpsteinsMothersDoctor | October 14, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Can someone with more knowledge of the rules than me explain why we can't put Brooks on IR? He's got an injury, seems like a good way to lock him up in case we want to bring him back to try out next pre-season. Is it just $?

In other news, the R. Williams deal seems silly and desperate. Cowboys are bailing water out of a ship that wasn't sinking, and consequently ignoring the fire on the front of the hull.

Posted by: AlexBerger1 | October 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean that Brooks has to move out of Cerrato's house now too?

Posted by: BrianMatthews | October 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Did a JLC trade make the 4:00 deadline

Posted by: Tappahannock | October 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Williams is a pretty good wide out, the 'Boys definitely payed for him though, when you look at the market, Jones overpayed big time for a guy nobody else was trying to get. Wow!

The Alexander move is a "solid" decision from Zorn, he knows the system, he knows Zorn, Zorn knows him, as I posted earlier, his advantage over Mason is his pass protection, Mason had serious issues with it in the preseason(I saw it myself in camp) and Alexander had a pretty good rep for his backfield blocking and blitz pickup.

The punter, well, only time will tell with that for sure. The safety is likely as much about special teams as anything else, Doughty was missing last week and the coverage units suffered tettibly. Hopefully Green can get in here and find himself a spot.

I also like that none of this has included Kelly yet, I really think that kid will be very good, they just need to get that knee fixed.

Posted by: craig2 | October 14, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins executive vice president for football operations, declined to comment on any of the moves."

Ya think?

Posted by: Good2bOK | October 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

AlexBerger1

That hasn't been decided yet, one thing is that if he's on IR, his full contract still gets paid. If they reach an injury settlement, then the contract is null and void.

Posted by: craig2 | October 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Good2bOK

I noticed that too, isn't that great!

Posted by: craig2 | October 14, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

When a player goes on IR, does his contract count against the cap for that season?

Posted by: EpsteinsMothersDoctor | October 14, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

we're dealing with trades for backups (except for punter). these are good problems. reminds me of Rypien's hangnail in 1991. we're in pretty good shape. Dallas is in an absolute fiasco.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | October 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

regarding Brooks on IR:

Factor 1: Vinny and Danny would have to decide whether Brooks warrants receiving a free paycheck week after week. Of course his future potential would go into this decision.

Factor 2: Brooks would have to consent. It's possible that he might want to try and catch on elsewhere, and the team can't put him on IR if he's not truly deemed to have a serious injury (which I don't think he has).

Probably the best football decision would be to at least take a flier by putting him on IR and hoping that he dramatically improves next year. But of course, this is also a business, and most owners aren't in the business of giving away money without any return.

Posted by: psps23 | October 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure the IR salaries are counted against the cap.

That's gonna be one of the issues the Skins are facing here, already pretty tight against the cap as it is.

Posted by: craig2 | October 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

In answer to me own question, this site

http://www.adavidmooreorgans.com/pcinoz/Salary_Cap_FAQ.htm

says yes, and I believe it because it's sort of burgundy and gold-ish.

Posted by: EpsteinsMothersDoctor | October 14, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

" ... Alexander, 31, took a red-eye from the West Coast this morning, Zorn said, and worked out early at Redskins Park. "He looked fit," Zorn said. ..."

I wonder of Zorn meant he "looked fit" as in "as fit as you can look after taking a red-eye and not playing in forever" ... or if he "looked fit" like "more fit than two second round draft picks who couldn't pass my conditioning test".

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

wasn't taking a cheap shot, truth...just having a bit of fun. the way some of you guys carry on is like flirty little high schoolers, but hey if that's what floats ur boat then....

this update looks to me like one giant run on sentence btw...have to go back and re-read it so i may comprehend.

Posted by: bms46and2 | October 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

-- first mentioned by Zorn on Monday -- had been bothering him since halftime of a Sept. 21 game at Dallas.-JLC

My unnamed sources say the 21st was the Arizona game, they went on to say that the injury occured sometime during the Dallas game on the 28th, Brooks brought it to their attention at halftime.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

What does took a red eye mean?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

moore's blitz may or may not have worked, but the point is it doesn't matter. Excessively risky play call by blanche, who's pissed he gaffed and maturely points a finger at a the rook.

Posted by: batigol85

Is this a serious comment? "The rookie" gaffed, not Blache. You wouldn't blame Jim Zorn for Devin Thomas blowing a route and causing a botched play, you can't blame Blache for one of his players missing an easy assignment.

Posted by: psps23 | October 14, 2008 3:57 PM |

don't be an idiot. Just cause he called a blitz and the qb was "supposed" to be sacked does not absolve him of responsibility when the play failed. As a coach, he should have realized that there was a significant chance a rookie would not be able to complete his assignment and therefor should not be counted on to execute perfectly according to plan.

Posted by: batigol85 | October 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins executive vice president for football operations, declined to comment on any of the moves."

Ya think?

Posted by: Good2bOK | October 14, 2008 5:12 PM

I think he's saving all his remarks for the two hours he has to fill on his radio show this Friday.

Posted by: cmecyclist | October 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

-- first mentioned by Zorn on Monday -- had been bothering him since halftime of a Sept. 21 game at Dallas.-JLC

My unnamed sources say the 21st was the Arizona game, they went on to say that the injury occured sometime during the Dallas game on the 28th, Brooks brought it to their attention at halftime.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 14, 2008 5:27 PM

I remember Brooks getting hit (I think it was Arizona) and someone getting called for roughing the punter. It looked like it SHOULD have hurt ... it was on his quad and it turned him over in the air.

4th, redeyes are plane flights that go from west to east ... leave late at night, sleep a few hours, then wake up in the morning in the new time zone.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

So, he left around 11pm and arrived @ 6am @ Dulles?

Took 7 hours, but really took 3.5?

What they call it going east to west? Back to the future?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 14, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until Brad Johnson decks TO in the mouth on the sideline when TO mouths off to him. Its gonna be awesome.

Say what you will about Brad Johnson, but he is nobody's punk.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

4th, depends on whether you cross the international dateline ... I did that once ... and arrived before I left.

On the roughing the kicker penalty on Brooks, it was in the 1st quarter of the Giants game. My bad ... but it still looked like it hurt.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

EM's MD, the answer to your question is yes. Putting a player on IR just gives you a roster spot.

This article answers your question and argues that the NFL should get rid of IR: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2651924&type=story

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 14, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The other kind of redeye is when a housecat walks away from you ... but I don't think that's how Alexander arrived ...

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

4th, and sween didn't mention that your eyes are really, really red the next day. Something about the radiation in the atmosphere that time of night. Or lack of sleep, maybe.

The redeye flight is how I usually travel east for work, and by the next afternoon people are begging me to get out of the office because my red eyes are freaking them out. Instead of begging me to get out of the office for the usual reasons.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, this all makes sense. I might have looked at someone like Kenton Keith, because he seems like more of a Betts-style player. Alexander isn't a hard runner, he tiptoes through holes, and his hands aren't that good. That said, worst comes to worst, Cartwright can pick up that slack and Alexander will probably be a good presence in the locker room.

Posted by: BumboKlaat123 | October 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Looks like now the Titans have to give the Brokeback Mountain Cowboys a draft pick instead of receiving another for Pac Man...

Posted by: GintheAtl | October 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

correct me if i'm wrong...but i thought red eye flights had nothing to do with which way u were traveling, rather at what time...from my understanding red eye flights are at timings that no one wants...like between 12 am and 6am...

Posted by: jasonma1 | October 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

don't be an idiot. Just cause he called a blitz and the qb was "supposed" to be sacked does not absolve him of responsibility when the play failed. As a coach, he should have realized that there was a significant chance a rookie would not be able to complete his assignment and therefor should not be counted on to execute perfectly according to plan.

Posted by: batigol85

You're calling me an idiot with that response? Seriously?

(1) It's not a "significant chance" that a rookie would not be able to know that he should be blitzing on a certain play. It's a very simple assignment. It's one of the easiest things for an inexperienced player to do. It's not diagnosing routes or reading the QB.

(2) A missed blitz doesn't mean he was "supposed to be sacked". A missed blitz means there is much less pressure on the QB, which allows the QB more time to throw the ball, which allows the receiver more time to get behind the corner on a deep route. Basic tactical fundamentals.

That's a simple assignment that was missed with the potential for a big impact. We got burned on it because of the mistake of a player, and because of a great play by the opposing team, not because of an error by the coach.

Posted by: psps23 | October 14, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Red eye flights are overnight flights leaving late at night and arriving early in the morning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-eye_flight

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | October 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

As for Moore blowing an assignment on the blitz, I agree, the onus has to go on Blache. Moore is a late-round draft pick rookie. Mistakes happen. What is inexcusable is leaving Leigh Torrence on an island with any NFL receiver with no help. Didn't they see how close Bulger came to ending it two plays earlier on the deep ball to Holt that Carlos just barely tipped away?

Posted by: BumboKlaat123 | October 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

What does took a red eye mean?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

ah, the good 'ol days...

It's gonna be great to meet Seattle in the playoffs and beat them with their own players.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | October 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins and punter Ryan Plackemeier have agreed to terms on a two-year deal to replace rookie Durant Brooks, according to sources with knowledge of the situation

Brooks will probably receive an injury settlement or be released, with Plackmeier having signed a two year contract.

He was 12th in punting last year (5th in 2006) and Frost was 21st:

Rk Player Team Pos Punts Yds Net Yds Lng Avg Net Avg Blk OOB Dn IN 20 TB FC Ret RetY TD


2005

12 Ryan Plackemeier SEA P 86 3,436 2,954 62 40.0 34.3 0 14 14 30 6 15 37 362 0
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21 Derrick Frost WAS P 75 3,072 2,730 64 41.0 36.4 0 5 16 23 7 15 32 202 0


2006

5 Ryan Plackemeier SEA P 84 3,778 3,135 72 45.0 37.3 0 10 9 25 15 12 38 343 0
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13 Derrick Frost WAS P 81 3,471 3,012 60 42.9 36.7 1 3 14 27 7 12 45 319 0

Posted by: siris | October 14, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

" ... The redeye flight is how I usually travel east for work, and by the next afternoon people are begging me to get out of the office because my red eyes are freaking them out. ..."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2008 5:41 PM

East Coast commentary: "Get out of the office, your red eyes are freaking me out."

West Coast commentary: "Whoa dude, your eye's are freaking me out."

The Places-Between-The-Coasts commentary: "Here, try some Visine."

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I believe Big Murph is the authority on red eyes. BONG!

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 14, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I haven't said anything about the game (I went), but there were two things I really despised ... mostly about Skins fans:

1. Booing of a Skins player, the rookie punter. At a minimum, its booing the teammate of the rest of the guys.

2. The "You Suck" chant in the middle of Gary Glitter's Rock And Roll, Part 2. Felt like I was watching the game with Eagles fans. Not classy.

There were other things ... like the crowd "OH" in the Star Spangled Banner ... so Camden Yards, so baseball, so pre-9/11, so not classy ... and morons standing up in front of me chatting away after everyone else has long since sat down and the next play is about to start ... but its the bad fan part of it that angered me. I felt the result of the game was a reflection of the bad mojo by the fans.

Off soapbox.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

sween, others have noted the poor crowd on Sunday.

So... based on known knowns and known unknowns, do you expect a better crowd on Sunday?

And are you going again? And if so, are you going to wear one of those split jerseys, half Browns, half Redskins?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

blitzes get picked up all the time, this isn't rocket science. As for the "great play" i don't think an underthrown hail mary qualifies. despite your astute detection of sarcasm, my initial assessment (of you) remains

Posted by: batigol85 | October 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

What does took a red eye mean?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

It means he crused into town with Ricky Williams.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I am indeed going ... and I do expect the crowd to be fiesty ... not sure about more classiness or respectfulness. [I don't think that "OH" thing in the Star Spangled Banner is ever going to go away ... same probably with the "You Suck" ... until they stop playing that song ... its really only a hockey song anyway.]

I expect the Skins to be "up" ... I agree with Jasno's post after the first quarter ... both teams seemed flat ... frankly for the entire first half.

I don't wear jerseys (not on the team), but if I did, it would be all burgundy (or maroon ... or maybe medium maroon ... or yellow ... gold ... such as). Of the three others in my party, I think one is a Browns fan, but she's a she ... and not a smart football she like Cindy or suzannepdc, such as, so I can't hold it against her.

I love love love that the Browns beat the Giants. I can't see the Browns mustering that again ... the crowd noise (on the radio anyway) was WAY Browns ... almost Arrowhead Stadium-like.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Dannyland is definitely in need of some adjustments.

...damn carnies....

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong, I'd be AOK with disrespecting the visiting team if it were funny, clever, and/or original. That's the kind of disrespect I aspire to 24/7.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean that they still have faith in Malcolm Kelly coming back healthy? I thought he was headed for IR...

Posted by: hender_22 | October 14, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Its ridiculous to think a Blache is at fault for the call he made because he should have known that Kareem Moore might not play his assignment correctly. I think Greg Blache knows what he's doing, and the players should too.

Even if that blitz does get picked up it might have prevented Bulger from getting outside the pocket and buying more time. Who knows if the result would have been different.

Posted by: Rusty6392 | October 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Cork, go root for them then, if you think they're so well run

Posted by: BeantownGreg


I'll continue to root for the Redskins, as I have for decades. For many of those years they easily outGMed the hated Cowboys.

Best to Vinny, Greg...

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

There were other things ... like the crowd "OH" in the Star Spangled Banner ... so Camden Yards, so baseball, so PRE-9/11, so not classy ...

Off soapbox.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 5:59 PM


Pre-9/11? Good gravy, give me a break.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 14, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

+++The brilliant thing is, Dallas did it as Pacman was suspended-so Goodell won't DARE investigate the swindle Dallas perpetrated on th GM-free Detroits.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2008 4:48 PM

My hope is that you mean this in jest: Roy Williams isn't going to help them that much unless he's 1) going to play CB, 2) keeping T.O. from popping off when Roy gets more balls thrown his way, and 3) throwing to himself while Romo's out.+++

I hope I do, too. But I'll save your post, just in case....

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Further, How come I don't see you or anyone else complaining about concession stands staying open during the Star Spangled Banner. One could argue that making $$$ while "The Banner" is being played is more disrespectful than someone shouting out "OH."

Funny how you left that part out of your little rant.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Or what about leaving the bathrooms open during the Star Spangled Banner.

One could argue, by your logic, that it's unpatriotic in this Post-9/11 world to use the bathroom during the Star Spangled Banner.

Peeing or pooping when "The Banner" is being played should be grounds for treason in this Post-9/11 world.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

From latest Redskin column….

A Lineman's Dream is Redskin Nightmare

"Anyone, I mean anyone who has ever been a guard or tackle empathizes with Kendall. There isn't a former or current lineman alive who hasn't fantasized about doing something skill players do.

I'll never forget one high school practice of mine. I pulled, slammed into our quarterback, knocking the ball into the air. I caught it and…"

Continued at NFL DraftDog.com

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

The other kind of redeye is when a housecat walks away from you ... but I don't think that's how Alexander arrived ...

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hahahahahaha

Posted by: rickmort | October 14, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Amazingly Wikipedia has already been updated:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Alexander

He's been hurt for two years (broken toe/wrist) and Seattle had significant o-line losses (i.e. Hutchinson and Toebeck)

Posted by: siris | October 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

The triangle is complete. Plackemeier (cut by Seattle) replaced Brooks (cut by Skins) who replace Frost (cut by Skins) who replaced Ryan (cut by Green Bay) who replaced Plackemeier (cut by Seattle).

Serious.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 14, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

If you ask me, it's the Lions who got the better of the Roy Williams deal. Sure, he's a very good receiver, but the Lions got a nice haul of desperately needed draft picks in return for a guy who won't be fully integrated into the Cowgirls' offense until late this season.

Trading for receivers is also a huge gamble, as the Redskins have found out to their detriment more than once. The Cowgirls pulled an old-school Snyder and went splashy while failing to address their shortcomings.

As for the Skins, I like what they did today. Nothing splashy, but instead some guys who know the coaches and can likely contribute very quickly. Like Jamal Lewis and Warrick Dunn, I'm going to guess that Shaun Alexander has plenty left in the tank if he can get some actual blocking.

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 14, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I just realized--don't the Cowgirls now have two players named Roy Williams? That could get interesting...

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 14, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Can someone with more knowledge of the rules than me explain why we can't put Brooks on IR? He's got an injury, seems like a good way to lock him up in case we want to bring him back to try out next pre-season. Is it just $?

In other news, the R. Williams deal seems silly and desperate. Cowboys are bailing water out of a ship that wasn't sinking, and consequently ignoring the fire on the front of the hull.

Posted by: AlexBerger1 | October 14, 2008 5:04 PM

do you mean the bow?

Posted by: skinsfaninsanfran | October 14, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

2. The "You Suck" chant in the middle of Gary Glitter's Rock And Roll, Part 2. Felt like I was watching the game with Eagles fans. Not classy.


This was started by those creative University of Maryland students during their brief basketball heyday. Somehow it leached over to FedEx.

Nate,

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 14, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Nate, ignore your name in that last post. I was going to trash talk about the upcoming UVA/UNC game but thought better of it. The Cavs are on a roll.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 14, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

In all I think the moves were solid. I'm thankful that VC's radio show didn't inhibit the skins from getting these players in for a workout to make some moves. Although those four hours probably saved the skins from getting into a bidding war with the grilz for Roy Williams.

Posted by: TWISI | October 14, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey, The Cork,

From The Column:

"Seriously, what worried me most came to fruition. No one expected an entire season without turnovers, but Sunday, the Redskins turned the ball over three times, tripling their previous number."

Ummm, tripling their previous number (0) equals 0, not 3.

Posted by: Xlnt | October 14, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

On offense, anyway.

Posted by: Xlnt | October 14, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Learned Hand, I have no qualms with UVa-UNC trash talking. I just won't be giving back, since the Tar Heels look like the better team.

I saw somewhere that UNC's phenom WR/return man (?) is injured, so maybe that levels things a bit? Also, tiny li'l UVa probably looks like easy pickins after toppling the 175 years of glorious, Jesus Christ-blessed football heritage that is Notre Dame.

And yes, UVa is on a little roll... though anything looks like up after losing to Duke.

So what I'm sayin' is... I dunno...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

So, when JC gets injured, do we go to Collins, or will Hasselbeck come in for a tryout?

Posted by: Xlnt | October 14, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

When Betts is healthy again, does Alexander become punt returner?

Posted by: Xlnt | October 14, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

When Betts is healthy again, does Alexander become punt returner?

Posted by: Xlnt | October 14, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

sween, at least Plackemeier didn't win the ray guy award!!!

lh, dude!!!!! c'mon!!! spoken like a true tar heel though. that was an awesome chant and yes, i felt right at home! you betcha! ;)

i love the red eye flights...you feel and look like isht when you get off on east coast. but jfk is the last place you want to land after a redeye. ugh!!! nothing like a new york "FU" from a new yorker/jersier first thing in the morning...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 14, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Skins pick up somebody two years ago who was on IR for another team and some little-known rule allowed him to get out of his contract and come here because he wasn't really injured, just tucked away on IR?

Posted by: Xlnt | October 14, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

ah, so refreshing to see the Cowboys making the mistakes we normally do...

Over/under on time until TO and Roy are in a sideline donnybrook - 2.5 weeks. "Stop taking my catches Roy!!" "But Terrell, he ain't throwing me the ball either!" "Who he throwin it to??" "Nobody, he's 40!!"

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 14, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

oh, and did you see that they don't even have an extension signed yet? there is a chance they could lose him after this year and they gave up a 1st, 3rd, 6th (2009) and 7th (2010) pick. OK by me.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 14, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

He's got a five year extension LMG, come on man! Even Comcast has that news, and they provide daily updates on Brittney and Carrot Top.

Oh, and he's in shape.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the open roster spot means they're going to sign a WR too.

They could bring back Mix. Or Terry Glenn, Joe Horn, Reche Caldwell, Keenan McCardell and Taylor Jacobs are all available.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 14, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

So with Doughty's season over, I guess that means Alexander can wear #37 for however many games he plays for the Skins this season.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Smack, I assumed they'd get the deal done...still a huge price. That's a lot to give up for any WR, and he's not even a Top 5 guy. Pats got Randy Moss for a 4th rounder. Cowboys are reaching.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 14, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, you can't go comparing it to such an extreme case. Even Fabini isn't hairy compared to Bigfoot.

Randy is a lot older than Roy, and frankly, nobody knew which Randy was going to get off that Red-Eye. And Roy is a beast no doubt. If anything I think he might be a little too pumped up for the WR position.

We have no #2 receiver, and no #1 once "it" happens to TO (age, insanity, whatever). It looks like a lot to pay and sure, it could go either way. But it's not totally laughable on the face of it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I haven't said anything about the game (I went), but there were two things I really despised ... mostly about Skins fans:

1. Booing of a Skins player, the rookie punter. At a minimum, its booing the teammate of the rest of the guys.

2. The "You Suck" chant in the middle of Gary Glitter's Rock And Roll, Part 2. Felt like I was watching the game with Eagles fans. Not classy.

There were other things ... like the crowd "OH" in the Star Spangled Banner ... so Camden Yards, so baseball, so pre-9/11, so not classy ... and morons standing up in front of me chatting away after everyone else has long since sat down and the next play is about to start ... but its the bad fan part of it that angered me. I felt the result of the game was a reflection of the bad mojo by the fans.

Off soapbox.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2008 5:59 PM

I think this blog is replete with "whine" and cheese fans. The Oh happens at every stadium during the Anthem. At least when you see it on TV during games (mainly playoffs), in all sports. The You Suck thing is truly lame. And Sween sorry about the crowd around you. But I wish we could talk about the overall effect of the crowd on the game, a delay penalty, false start, and two very early time outs in the second half were attributed to the crowd. Also, every defensive player made a point of saying the 12th man certainly did their job in the radio interviews when leaving.

Posted by: Club320 | October 14, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

On a side note, I wonder if JLC is happy now that the Red Sox games are on earlier.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why you feel the comparison is invalid. Both are highly talented, big receivers. 4 yrs difference isn't massive. Williams had a god yr in '06, a marginal one last year (800 yds, 5 TDs). I'll give you that he hasn't had the QB of Moss or TO, but I still think it's a ton to give up - plus $8-9 million/yr - for a guy that's been higher on talent than results. At a certain point potential begins to approximate bust.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 14, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Compare this crowd noise to that lame a$$ funeral at fedex on Sunday... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW8aXD9I300

Posted by: GintheAtl | October 14, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Someone posted this earlier and it was a pretty good article..
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2651924&type=story

I'm guessing the reason there are Roster limits isn't due to the fact of effecting teams now, it effects the league later in # of pensions and benefits they'd have to give out to former players. Good topic of discussion though...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 14, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Well it's closer to five years, which is not massive if you are a Galapagos tortoise, but is pretty significant if you are an NFL Player.

I don't think finding 29 tds while a Detroit Lion can be classified as a bust. In a world where teams offer two #1 picks for Ocho Stinko, I'm pretty okay with the transaction.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It is an awful lot to give up for a #2 receiver, but you have to figure TO won't be there forever, and now they've picked up a younger talent. Problem not they'll have is Garrett will be forced to run the ball less now than before....Which is great for us!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 14, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The RW trade was classic Jones misdirection. The talk is now about the trade than pacman.

Posted by: Skins930 | October 14, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

We can't run the ball on you guys anyway.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Ummm...What happened to Rock spelling Portis? He did run for 100yds against the Rams in 2005.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 14, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, didn't know you were a Cowboy fan.
This would've happened regardless of Pacman. How dumb can one guy be? Goodell is more dangerous than a Chicago Ganster in the 20's. This guy says Zero Tolerance, I'd go to practice and straight home....I'd cut the shenanigans... he'll be selling burgers in 2 yrs..

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 14, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

+++The triangle is complete. Plackemeier (cut by Seattle) replaced Brooks (cut by Skins) who replace Frost (cut by Skins) who replaced Ryan (cut by Green Bay) who replaced Plackemeier (cut by Seattle).

Serious.

Posted by: Alan4+++

Who does Kevin Bacon kick for nowadays?

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

so we pick up 3 cuts from seattle. 2 vets..injured and past their prime, and one injured and inconsistant. The washington seahawks were suposed to be getting away from this kinda thing. Im a little dissappointed in these moves. Rock could have filled in fine for two or three weeks... Horton more than had reed's job already, and hamilton was fine for depth... the punter was a need but yet to be seen if he can come back... should have kept brooks just in case. maybe they will get him after waivers but likely not.

Feels like old times

Posted by: DrPainless | October 14, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, The Cork,

+++From The Column:

"Seriously, what worried me most came to fruition. No one expected an entire season without turnovers, but Sunday, the Redskins turned the ball over three times, tripling their previous number."

Ummm, tripling their previous number (0) equals 0, not 3.

Posted by: Xlnt+++

I was a Journalism Major, not a Math Major, but I DID count Randle El's muff as a turnover, ergo the Math is correctamundo--a rare occurance for me....

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Painless,

What if Roc got "nicked"? Then we lose back #2 and our Kick/Punt returner and Captain on the Coverage teams.. The reason you bring in people familiar with the schemes which both have over 5 yrs in their respective schemes. If you bring in an "outsider" they can't play immediately. Why wouldn't you like bringing in a former MVP for the Vet Minimum??? If it doesn't work, nothing is lost... Not sure where the downside is?

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 14, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Club 320, that "Oh!" thing is indigenous to the mid-Atlantic region, I believe, having originated in the Baltimore area.

I don't like hearing it anywhere and don't think it should be heard unless the Orioles are playing in the stadium that day. But then, I also think it's inappropriate in any venue since it cheapens the freakin' national anthem, rendering it as an excuse to loft a big dumb cheer for yer team.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "every stadium", but the "Oh!" isn't brayed at every stadium I've watched games in. So this is probably something we're going to disagree on. Whatevs...

Here's Steinbog on the "Oh!" thing:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2006/12/question_should_the_national_a.html

But ANYWAY, the real reason I want to write it to ask whether you (from Club 320) have observed any differences in the crowds at FedEx this season... obviously your take on last Sunday was different than sween's. Do you think the crowd was more or less of a factor in the Rams game than in the previous two home contests? And whaddya expect for Sunday?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Good moves by the Skins, bringing in solid veterans to fill roster spots while the Cowpies shoot the moon for a WR who's not worth anywhere near what they gave.

I'm kind of sorry to see PacTurd Jones gone. I'm afraid the Cowpies might find someone who can actually cover guys.

Watch out for Brad Johnson, though. He may be 40, but I'll bet he can still manage a game.

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | October 14, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Smack, the boys need O-linemen who can keep Johnson upright more than they need another wideout. But all trade talk aside, what I really want to know is what was Elton John doing in the Cowboys lockerroom after the Cards game?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Terrell-Owens-has-not-lost-his-fashion-boldness?urn=nfl,114525

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 14, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, didn't know you were a Cowboy fan.
This would've happened regardless of Pacman. How dumb can one guy be? Goodell is more dangerous than a Chicago Ganster in the 20's. This guy says Zero Tolerance, I'd go to practice and straight home....I'd cut the shenanigans... he'll be selling burgers in 2 yrs..

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 14, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

You're right about Goodell. The guy is a tyrant. The NFL has become a nanny state, it's pathetic.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Michael_b...dude mason is out there... number 3 for him would work out fine... if rock were to go down in the his 10 or 15 carries over the next two weeks. Shoot hes a returner and gets battered regularly i think he can hang that long dont you?
Just sayin...

Posted by: DrPainless | October 14, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

+++ Goodell is more dangerous than a Chicago Ganster in the 20's. This guy says Zero Tolerance, I'd go to practice and straight home....I'd cut the shenanigans... he'll be selling burgers in 2 yrs..

Posted by: michael_b_clegg++++

Read the small print. According to NFL.Com, Pacman's "lifetime" ban is actually only four weeks. Goodell doesn't want to hurt Jerruh's feelings, you know.

Meanwhile--speaking of conflict of interest--Deion, who has a show on NFL.Com will be locking Pacman in his house for foru weeks weeks, so he gets reinstated for the stretch run.

Fix is in, dudes and dudettes. Why do you think Dallas gets the SECOND bye week every year, with an at-home Thanksgiving game?

The NFL wants the Boys in the SB. They want a team back in LA.

The fact they haven't succeeded at either doesn't keep 'em from trying.

It ain't personal. It's business.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys signed Roy Williams.
The Redskins demoted safety Reed Doughty.
WHO IS GOING TO STEP UP IN THE SECONDARY???

Posted by: tmcmullins | October 14, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Cork, you repeatedly state that the boys get two bye weeks, please explain. Isn't the advantage of extra time off counterbalanced by having to prepare and play on three days "rest"? I guess the NFL wants the Lions in the Super Bowl too?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 14, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Club 320, that "Oh!" thing is indigenous to the mid-Atlantic region, I believe, having originated in the Baltimore area.

I don't like hearing it anywhere and don't think it should be heard unless the Orioles are playing in the stadium that day. But then, I also think it's inappropriate in any venue since it cheapens the freakin' national anthem, rendering it as an excuse to loft a big dumb cheer for yer team.
Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2008 10:32 PM
I 100% agree with what you said about the act of "Oh". I never, would or will do it. It is awful. And I totally disagree with you about where its done, ie, Yankee Stadium, most of the college stadiums I have been to, and EVERY Hockey game. Its just poor regardless. Nate, here is the issue, most of the bile that comes from this issue is more about prices, and Danny, then it is the crowd. I really cant blog about it anymore. Because, its a tough issue to defend. A very difficult thing to prove. But I have been to a lot of places for games. There are 90000 people there. It gets loud. Its science. As I noted before the crowd was credited with a delay of game and false start in the third. And the Rams were forced to use two TOs very early as well. I hate to say it, but I think the Rams game will hurt OVERALL. But I was at every game last year, about the only game that was not raucous was the Bills game...

Posted by: Club320 | October 14, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

good stuff on PBS right now...on both candidates

Posted by: dealer1 | October 14, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

As long as Garrett keeps trying for the "homerun" ball and the quick score, the cowboys will be in danger of not making the playoffs. I know I know, sounds stupid, but they have decent talent on that D but any D that's on the field that much will suck. Antithesis of the 2000 Ravens. Crappy offense that managed the game, but a great D!! Look at us. We have 7-8 minute drives and the D is pretty solid.

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 14, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Smack, the boys need O-linemen who can keep Johnson upright more than they need another wideout. But all trade talk aside, what I really want to know is what was Elton John doing in the Cowboys lockerroom after the Cards game?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Terrell-Owens-has-not-lost-his-fashion-boldness?urn=nfl,114525

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 14, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

errr...

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/11/portisisback.jpg

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Smack, there's a difference between wearing costume as a joke and wearing your own clothes after a game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 14, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Smack, there's a difference between wearing costume as a joke and wearing your own clothes after a game.

Apparently not.

Posted by: daggar | October 14, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I know, LH, just having a little fun with that.

We have the O-line we need. We just need a coach who can get 'em fit, keep 'em hungry, and hold 'em accountable. It's a circus traveling up and down the field. They don't want to play. They're millionaires - they don't give a damn about blocking.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Smack,

With all due respect, there's no chance you can compare a real life "man" that seems to be soft like a woman, to a real life "man" who makes fun in costumes... Although, both are very talented. One belongs in a locker room, the other well, may wish to "hang" in a locker room. I'll let all the Redskin fans decipher which one is Elton.....

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 14, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Good night to you all!!! Today was a great day. Any night a team from Boston loses is a great one!! God bless you all, God Bless America and God Bless the Redskins!!
HTTR.... :-)

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 14, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

**** Non-Football Post:
For those of you who pray, please do so for my mother, Kathy, who needs a needle biopsy on a lump in her breast. Also for my uncle Ray who is still in the hospital with a diverticulitis flare. TY.
*** End Non-Football Post.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 14, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Portis...great player, really really awful costumer. Glad somebody finally said something.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Good night to you all!!! Today was a great day. Any night a team from Boston loses is a great one!! God bless you all, God Bless America and God Bless the Redskins!!
HTTR.... :-)

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 14, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

And...Oh!

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Best wishes for the family, JFK.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 14, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Very best wishes to you and your loved ones, Karen.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

TY

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 14, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

+++The triangle is complete. Plackemeier (cut by Seattle) replaced Brooks (cut by Skins) who replaced Frost (cut by Skins) who replaced Ryan (cut by Green Bay) who replaced Plackemeier (cut by Seattle).

Serious.

Posted by: Alan4+++

Who does Kevin Bacon kick for nowadays?

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

That's not 6 degrees of KB, that's first degree musical chairs... and Brooks ended up without one in this round! When Plackemeier was cut, his number (net) were worse than Brooks'. Dead last in the NFL.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 14, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

So, Alan, you're saying something shy of "hip, hip, hooray" would be in order given that Plackemeier is our new punter...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 15, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Cartwright has always run well as a backup; he is a heck of a blocker, and I don't see running the ball 5 or 6 times a game detracting too much from his special teams play. I'm sure he's love some carries, and he's earned it. I hope I'm wrong, I just don't see Alexander as being much of a rushing threat anymore.

Posted by: kenboy1 | October 15, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

smack, i for one am hoping barber and romo and ot stay healthy and have a long long career with the girls. and also wade philips is there for 10 more years.

fellow fans, what IF!?! jerrah likes roy williams better than to!?! and gets rid of to!?! he's big and he can catch passes...and we sorta need a big receiver...and shawn springs is kinda buddies with the dude...just asking...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 15, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

As for Brooks, he seems like a good kid, maybe he was injured some, but even if he wasn't, players don't just choose to do poorly. I don't blame him for taking the job, but damn if he didn't do the absolutely worse job of punting I've ever seen in the pros.

Posted by: kenboy1 | October 15, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

still can't get over the price for roy williams. basically the whole 2009 draft. very ricky williamesque. is he really that good? and aint no way in hell matt millen is able to pull of that deal. here's to another ex-skin as the gm!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 15, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Was that Durant Brooks' last game?

Posted by: beatkal | October 5, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

NO. Remember, after the one returned for TD, he was usually punting from midfield, so he was trying to hit the punts real high to allow coverage to surround Jackson. I don't think you can just look at his stats.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 5, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse


OOH, missed it by THAT much. Now had they actually cut him after the iggles game, we might have won last week.

Posted by: beatkal | October 15, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Dealer 1, TO on the Skins? I'm sure you're just ribbing us. We're actually building a solid team, not just with the talent but with the coaches and team unity....plus, we havent seen what Thomas and Kelley will be able to do; remember, the other receivers and JC were raving about Kelley before he got hurt

Posted by: kenboy1 | October 15, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

c'mon kenboy...just think of the possibilities...of TO going back to the "big D" and catching a TD pass from JC and running to the middle of the field and dancing on jerrah's face (the new stadium will have jerra's face "super"imposed on the star). and emmit smith crying "i toldya he wann no real cowboy..."...i think i'd sign him for one week just to see that happen...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 15, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm buying my Roy E. Williams jersey as soon as they come out.

In fact, I'm going to try to trade AP for Roy E. in the first RI fantasy league, you know, the one that loves its country.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 15, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

So, Alan, you're saying something shy of "hip, hip, hooray" would be in order given that Plackemeier is our new punter...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 15, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Well, Nate, in the 11(!) punts Plackemeier had in his single game for the Hawks this year, I found that he had a 56-yarder and a 52-yarder, but also a pair of 22-yarders and a 31-yarder, in addition to a 46-yarder returned to the house.

I understand everyone's frustration, but I'm not entirely convinced this is a net gain. We're looking for someone who performs in games, not just practice, right?

Posted by: Alan4 | October 15, 2008 2:07 AM | Report abuse

With as much attention as all of this has gotten, why haven't any of the "reporters" been asking about the effect the punter change will have on Suisham?

That's the biggest issue here(aside from the question of "if Portis get's hurt on Sunday, now what?). The safety is mostly a matter of special teams stuff, the coverage units were NOT good last week, and apparently nothing has been decided on Kelly yet.

Maybe he showed some progress this week with the knee?

Aren't these the things that "insiders" should be asking?

Posted by: craig2 | October 15, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

With as much attention as all of this has gotten, why haven't any of the "reporters" been asking about the effect the punter change will have on Suisham?

That's the biggest issue here(aside from the question of "if Portis get's hurt on Sunday, now what?). The safety is mostly a matter of special teams stuff, the coverage units were NOT good last week, and apparently nothing has been decided on Kelly yet.

Maybe he showed some progress this week with the knee?

Aren't these the things that "insiders" should be asking?

Posted by: craig2 | October 15, 2008 7:15 AM |

Why would it effect Suisham, Plackmeier has held in this league, he has more experience holding then Brooks did.

If Portis gets hurt they will have to go with SA and Rock, if they had not signed SA they would of had to go with just Rock.

Duoghty had already lost his starting job to Horton this guy is being brought in to take Doughty's spot on special team and since Doughty was not that good on teams this will be an upgrade.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 15, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

smack, i for one am hoping barber and romo and ot stay healthy and have a long long career with the girls. and also wade philips is there for 10 more years.

Because you have to take the bad with the good, right?

...and since Doughty was not that good on teams this will be an upgrade.

Definitely didn't miss him against the Rams!?

Posted by: daggar | October 15, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Definitely didn't miss him against the Rams!?

Posted by: daggar | October 15, 2008 7:32 AM

Did we miss him when he took a terrible angle on the punt return for a TD in the Philly game.

The Punt coverage has sucked all year with or without Doughty.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 15, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

... But I wish we could talk about the overall effect of the crowd on the game, a delay penalty, false start, and two very early time outs in the second half were attributed to the crowd. ...

Posted by: Club320 | October 14, 2008 9:45 PM

I meant that too, though I was less focused by then (I was with some punitive beer buyers). On the "Oh," my main rant was about booing the home team player and the "You Suck" in the Gary Glitter tune ... my stuff about the "Oh" was below the fold.

Poopy McPoop, by "pre-9/11", I was trying to make a point that, at a minimum, that day changed things, esp. about seriousness about identification with a country. Add in the stuff about guys dying and getting maimed overseas, and it seems like that kind of stuff should at least be treated with a little more dignity and less "fad" ... the color guard for the game was a "Unit Support Staff" from the Marines and the national anthem was sung by a soldier who, I think, was a recruiter. The point seemed to be that their numbers are getting low. I'm not a flag waver (or wrapper), but the "Oh" felt misplaced under the circumstances. [Feel free to have your own rant about concessions and bathrooms during the Star Spangled Banner ... my rant about FedEx concessions is financially-based ... I have no problem with the bathrooms (until they start charging). I have an additional rant about the absence of water fountains, but that's off point.] Would someone please pass me another slice of cheese with my whine?

SMACK, Bigfoot has not been spotted in over a decade ... which happens to coincide with Fabini's career. Just sayin.

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

If the punter is inconsistent, the Teams' coverage will be too. We shall see if it improves -- justaguy #2 doesn't sound like the consistent type just yet.

Posted by: daggar | October 15, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21, I pionted out the safety was about 'teams' more than anything else, other than depth at safety, losing Doughty there isn't that big a deal. I think they missed Doughty on 'teams' more than you think.

And like I said, if Portis get's hurt, this activity will be tested big time.

And the holder issue is an issue, it may not be a big one, but an issue none the less.

Just making a few points.

Posted by: craig2 | October 15, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

belated beep beep

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 15, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Craig2,

I agree that Alexander was signed priamariy because his knowledge of the pass protection schemes but Doughty may not be missed but sure was missed on 3rd and 13 when one rookie safety didn't blitz last week. Moore has to step up big time for the new guy not to get his reps in the 'cobra' package.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

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