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Less Than X Minutes to XLIII

Let's start a new thread, shall we? Take a moment to vote, then do that thing you do: discuss the draft, discuss draft beers...whatever. (Roman numerals, I curse you.)

By Cindy Boren  |  February 1, 2009; 6:24 PM ET
 
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'...Every Cinderella has a Midnight...'

from, MistaMoe

The cards will lose their collective glass slipper sometime in the middle of the third quarter once the way too long half-time show's after effects hits their offense like fairy dust.

The cards run a lot of crossing routes out of bunch/slot formations. Ike Taylor and Bryant McFadden will get the jams they need to shut them down.

R Clark and T Polamalu will be flagged for aggressive safety play, but hey, head-hunting safety play shuts downs crossing routes.

E. James will have to have 100 yards for the cards to win...he won't.

Moe is on record well before th playoffs as a supporter of the notion that the Pittsburgh defense is the best performing team unit in all of professional football this season.

A stiller defender will get the mvp.

Today's game will prove him right...I hope.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 1, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Who will the Redskins pick in the FIRST (Ist) round? Best player available or OT?

Too soon too say. Let's discuss after free agency.

Who will win today? Cardinals. Whishenhunt/Grimm will prevail.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Super Bowl MVP...Ryan Clark.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Super Bowl XLIV MVP...Leigh Torrence. Greggg Williamss will build a Super Bowl defense around this beast.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Whatcha guys cooking and drinking for XLIII? We're having our annual Super Bowl potluck in the office. One guy signed up for "sweat and sour meatballs." I pray that was a typo.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

MVP - Kurt Warner

Posted by: bangkokben | February 1, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

FYI, Liz Clarke writes about the Springsteenian sellout in the Post mag today: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012302934.html

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

One guy signed up for "sweat and sour meatballs." I pray that was a typo.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 8:49 AM

A typo at the WaPo? Not likely. Oh, wait. Maybe that was Jasno? Nah, he would have signed up for "suet nd sewer matebells."

Look, you're the editor. You can change their entries into anything you want. "Sweat and sour meatballs"? No problem. Now it reads "Beef Wellington with Sauce Bernaise."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I predict the Steelers will win....but HOPE the Cardinals amazingly pull it off.

I also predict that Larry Fitzgerald will be a non factor in this game.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 1, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Cindy,

When I was in grade school I had a 'sweathogs' t-shirt from the "Welcome Back Kotter" sitcom. Everytime, I wore it some teacher at the school would say, "Sweethogs?"

Arlington Co. public schools.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 1, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Liz Clarke writes about the Springsteenian sellout in the Post mag today:

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 8:53 AM

This is the same Liz Clarke who according to Wikipedia "is also a weekly “side-chick” on The Tony Kornheiser Show." This "side-chick" is complaining about a Springsteen sellout?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Whatcha guys cooking and drinking for XLIII?"

Scrambled eggs, bacon, and coffee. Nothing exciting.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 1, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

"Who will the Redskins pick in the FIRST (Ist) round? Best player available or OT?"

Maybe they'll be one and the same -- for instance, that kid from Baylor? But I'm guessing a defensive player, maybe a pass rusher. They're pretty deep.

But if they get an offer to drop down eight or twelve slots in return for an extra choice in the high-middle rounds, I bet they take it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 1, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

why does the poll only add up to 98%?

Posted by: Daspig | February 1, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Hell will have to freeze over before Moe drops a fine line about Jimmy Johnson.

In fact, with the bathroom a step away, Moe will take a moment to drop all of his thoughts about Jimmy Johnson and his Cowboy years into the Palm Beach County Sewage and Public Waste System.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 1, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

LMAO

Posted by: frediefritz | February 1, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | February 1, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

One guy signed up for "sweat and sour meatballs." I pray that was a typo.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse
One of my all-time favorites!

Posted by: frediefritz | February 1, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

CARDINALS....worst Super Bowl Team ever???

Posted by: goosedude | February 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Moe has heard that the Geico caveman redskins fan is taking the cards over the stillers.

The caveman says, "F the wannbe steel curtain."

"I fart in their general direction," he said, quoting his favorite RI Nation blogger.

He did say he liked Troy Polamalu as his hair and facial features made him look like a friend of his from the ice age.

The caveman couldn't understand why people liked a team in the stillers that had quarterback whose last name they couldn't spell or pronounce.

"Watchout for Tim Hightower on draw plays on passing downs," the caveman said. He added that he was happy Bruce Smith is going into the HOF as a buffalo bill as it represents one of his favorite foods.

"I like buffalo and the underdog," he said while dragging his woman along on the ground by her hair. "They both taste like chicken."

"They really do..."

The caveman plans to watch the super bowl while wearing his new Shane Matthews redskins jersey.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 1, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Draft beers?

I'm in favor of an all-volunteer beer army.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 1, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins West will win the Super Bowl. Get your bets in while you can.........

MVP - Edge or Boldin

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 1, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I hope Kurt Warner wins the MVP and the Steelers go home 2nd best today.
Kurt is a sports figure that I don't mind my kids watching. A disppointing rare commodity today in professional sports. IMO!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | February 1, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Redskins aren't playing, game doesn't count. Should have an asterisk by the winner.

Posted by: mtskins | February 1, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Not only that, but she pimps Nascar, which is the biggest sellout of them all.....

That article was the whiniest, most self-indulgent article I ever read... Liz Clarke came across as a total loser, a teenager still stuck in her crush and angry that Bruce didn't marry her.

He can't continue to write Thunder Road and Incident for 40 years. Artists change, times change. Bruce writes about different stages in his life and other lives. Sure he became more commercial than when it was the 70s, but thats what happens when your music makes you famous.

Obviously, the guy still writes relevant and touching music. In the last 2 years - a grammy, and oscar, golden globe, inauguration party, and Super Bowl - at 60 years old. NO ONE ELSE can do that.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 1, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse


The Cardinals can't win easy, right? Except for Grimm news and the "Chucky" factor.

The Grimm news first. Olines play best when decent players play together for long periods with great coaching and no injuries.

You can't judge St. Louis's OLine by early season play. Russ Grimm has worked his magic on them. Will it account for the superior talent of the Pittsburgh "D"? Will it give Warner time to hit his great receivers?

Probably not, were it not for the "Chucky" Factor. Jon Gruden knew the then respectable Raiders inside and out when he went to TB. Result: TB wins SB easy.

Whisenhutt knows the Steelers the same way.

Oh yeah, there's a third element: Hines Ward's knee.

Not predicting just sayin' I wouldn't be shocked if that's the way it goes down.

Of course by mentioning it here, I've probably assured a Pitt win.


Posted by: TheCork | February 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S GAME DAY CHECK IN:

How excited am I about this game (Scale from 1-10, with 10 being highest level of excitement).....3

Who's coming over?
Neighbors on both sides

What am I serving?
Fried Fish, Macaroni and Cheese, Greens and Cornbread.

What are we drinking?
Champagne, Beer, Wine, Grey Goose, and Hennessey for the lone dark liquor drinker in my neighborhood.

SICWIDIT'S HOUSE RULES

1) Get your own damn food and drinks (Slavery ended in 1865)

2) Kids under 10 must watch the TV upstairs

3) Women are welcome, but no rules interpretations...Research the game yourself.

What ya'll doing RI?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 1, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

If the Super Bowl was in DC, it would have been good weather today.

I'm about to turn on the Grill.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 1, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

why does the poll only add up to 98%?

Posted by: Daspig | February 1, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

BECAUSE THE OTHER 2% still think WE 'Skins can win it!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | February 1, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

SKIPPY has dropped off HIS Prediction

"Hi. My Name is Skippy and I have a metal plate in my head. I really really like Lemon Meringue Pie

Hears the way the Supper Bowl will go. Skippy predicks the Pittsburgh Runners will try to steel the ball early. Oops--Plate Freeze. Skippy means the Pittsburgh Stealers will attempt to run the pelota behind Duke LaPtui, their massive and otherwise big former University of Southern Culture Right Guard. Also their right tipple, Levi “Heck of a Job” Brownie.

With their running back Fast Eddie Felson carrying the Pigscum, the pitburgers offense will attempt to collapse the Arizona House of Cardinals. This would open up the posing game for strong-aimed quarterhorse “Big Bent” Ruthelessismoreorlessburger.

If they can restablish their cunning little runt game, they will then pass, or perhaps bid two no trump. Trump won’t be there, however, because that thing on his head couldn’t get past security,

Meanwhile, on the other side of Mrs. Fields, one of the Cardinals was arrested last night and faces charges regarding an altar boy, which he claims he liked only as a friend.

Skippy also predicates the game will be delayed for fifteen minutes after a vicious hit by Pitt safety Troy Palamalu on Card WR Larry FitzGerald. Play resumed after a squad of emergency room surgeons was fnally able able to disentangle the players. (Hair joke! Sometimes Skippy is shameless!)

Skipp would bet the house or his hose on the winner emerging victorious, though. Actually, Skippy’s religion forbids him to wager upon the game. Well, not so much a “religion” as death threats by his bookie.

Skippy is sleepy now, so he will leave you with a predication that includes only a partial score, and not the final--Pittsburgh 7. Meanwhile Skippy will be delighted if for once he can score after the game.

Skippy also predips that after the game, a confused former President Bush will call Dick Cheney to ask if eithrr of them were re-elected yesterday in Iraq."

Fondly,

Skippy

Posted by: TheCork | February 1, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/150832/14-times-Olympic-gold-medal-winner-Michael-Phelps-caught-with-bong-cannabis-pipe.html

I guess he hasn't learned. When you are a star, you can't do what regular people do outside of your house........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 1, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I was watching highlights of our LAST Superbowl with my 6 yr old. It actually was a lot of fun b/c he was amazed that the Redskins played in a SuperBowl, not to mention won it... As a pre-teen through early 20's, I always thought the Redskins would be good!!!!

17 years???? Really???? An entire generation of potential Skins fans will gravitate to other teams due to the lack of interest in our beloved team!!!

IT IS TIME WE RETURN TO GREATNESS!!!!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | February 1, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

JLC is a cruddy reporter. And it looks like they are giving him a column... I'm done with Post sports.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | February 1, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know how many other teams have a blog like RI? Can we monitor those sites, and if so, do you think we could gain any insight into what their teams will do during FA and the draft?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 1, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz, I think there are blogs like this on every local paper in an NFL market... sometimes I snoop around during the season and get the scoop (such as it is) on upcoming opponents. So yes, there are such sites out there.

The question is whether the "insight" to be gleaned from any other site is of sufficient quality for our purposes. We're spoiled up here... we get the very best information from the Posties and the very best commentary from the community. No site I've ever seen approaches the level of overall goodness of RI even on its worst days.

I say we ignore everyone else's blogs and focus on our own prognosticating, bloviating, pontificating and jibba jabba. It's gotten us this far, hasn't it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

MVP...Bolden

Posted by: clark202 | February 1, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Whatcha guys cooking and drinking for XLIII?

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 8:49 AM

Okay, I'm working on the chili/beans/rice/guacamole/margarits thing here at the Evaluator Household. People coming by to partake.

But I just got a wild idea. Why don't I serve the same menu that President Obama is serving at the White House for his little Bipartisan Hoo-Haw? Main reason is that I don't have the menu.

Cindy, can you post the White House menu in the next half hour so that I will have time to go to the Safeway and whip this stuff up? It would be a big help if the menu includes those frozen Healthy Choice dinners as I already have some in the freezer.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

Next time you see Skippy, tell him to keep up the good work. Love that guise pests. Amusing what you can doo with a metal pate on your head.

Nate,

We're number 1. We're number 1. We're number 1. If we say so ourselves.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with Post sports.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | February 1, 2009 2:00 PM

It won't seem the same without you. Who are you?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

No site I've ever seen approaches the level of overall goodness of RI even on its worst days.

I say we ignore everyone else's blogs and focus on our own prognosticating, bloviating, pontificating and jibba jabba. It's gotten us this far, hasn't it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that, Nate. I have been regularly following RI for about a year, since just before FA and the draft last year. I think we have some incredibly informed bloggers. I suspect some have jobs in sportscasting and the media. Some have excellent sources dealing with contracts, etc. Some are just interesting jibba jabbas, so it's really fun for the most part. And I think we as a blog have finally come to somewhat of a consensus on how the Skins will proceed this off-season. I suspect some of our competitors might also follow RI.

Of course, we have no way of knowing how "unpredictable" VC will be with his selections. Should be fun!

Posted by: frediefritz | February 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Hello my old Friends! Bet you never thought I'd be texting from the FREAKIN' SUPER BOWL!!!! We're gonna win today. May not be pretty and it may not be by much, but we'll win!

Did you ever think that I'd be at a Super Bowl sooner than you guys would in the 21st century??? It's been a shock to ol' King Card, hear me now and believe me later....

Posted by: KingCard | February 1, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Talent, let me just run up the street and knock on the South Portico door. I'm sure they'll come out and give me the menu.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Bet you never thought I'd be texting from the FREAKIN' SUPER BOWL!!!!

Posted by: KingCard | February 1, 2009 3:40 PM

Here's exhibit B in Nate's "We're number 1" case: A Cardinals fan, warming up for the biggest game in Cardinal history, by posting on Redskin Insider. I would say that Nate carries the day, but when you consider the source it's kind of like Skippy winning a spelling bee.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Cindy--Post is crawling with political reporters. If the Post is a nine story building, politics fills eight of the floors. Just ask one of the White House Beat Reporters. They all have sources as good as Jasno's.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

They don't work Sundays, Talent! :)

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

They don't work Sundays, Talent! :)

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 4:14 PM

Man, did it ever occur to you that you get off the elevator on the wrong floor at the Post -- the only floor where the elevator goes on Sundays?

Look, never mind the menu. Just tell me where the truck's from -- Domino's, Papa John's, or Pizza Hut. They had the CEO from Papa John's on TV Friday and he said Super Bowl is their second busiest day of the year. First? Thanksgiving. "There's a lot of young, single people in America."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

We roll with Rockland's in here.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

We roll with Rockland's in here.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 4:28 PM

I read someplace that Skippy was bring you some "sweat and sour meatballs."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote that on the signup sheet....a late-night typo.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

...a late-night typo

Perhaps, but who will be the first to taste it?

Posted by: daggar | February 1, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Not I!

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 1, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"I read someplace that Skippy was bring you some "sweat and sour meatballs."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009"

Read somewhere where Spud-ley the magic TE was actually an AFC (average frustrated chump).

Posted by: periculum | February 1, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Did you ever think that I'd be at a Super Bowl sooner than you guys would in the 21st century??? It's been a shock to ol' King Card, hear me now and believe me later....

Posted by: KingCard | February 1, 2009"

Given some of the great players and coaches (Buges be one) its a surely a shame. But as RI with an analytical mind would remind you ... the Washington Redskins beat the Philadelphia Eagles twice, and the AZ Cardinals. Let's look at who beat the Redskins. Two of the teams featured defenses that were better (the skins finished 4). They were the Steelers and Ravens. The Titans had the 3rd best.

This looks like a loss to me ... my apologies to guys like Jim Ray Hart and all the rest of the Cardinal greats.

Posted by: periculum | February 1, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"source it's kind of like Skippy winning a spelling bee.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2009"

Or Spud (TE) proving Fermat's theorem. Spud is definitely an AFC average frustrated chump, at least Galois died defending the honor of a prostitute. He had a better social life ... ~smiles~

Posted by: periculum | February 1, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"MVP...Bolden

Posted by: clark202 | February 1, 2009"

Fitzgerald or Boden hauled out on stretchers before the 2nd half.

Posted by: periculum | February 1, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

A PSA from a "J. McCain":

"My friends, this is a great day, an important day, a day that will long be noted in the history of this country.
"But I have a larger, more important message -- perhaps one should call it a plea -- to you today.
"Please, as I cherish this great country and hold it to my heart, I make this humble request:
"Please, No Double Dipping.

Posted by: daggar | February 1, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"Of course by mentioning it here, I've probably assured a Pitt win.

Posted by: TheCork | February 1, 2009"

In the end does Hines really matter? Its Pittsburgh's "D". i don' think the Cards will be able to handle them.

Posted by: periculum | February 1, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"When I was in grade school I had a 'sweathogs' t-shirt from the "Welcome Back Kotter" sitcom. Everytime, I wore it some teacher at the school would say, "Sweethogs?"

Arlington Co. public schools.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 1, 2009"

I thought it was bad enough when I had to convince a 4th grade teacher the Gordon Cooper orbited the earth 22 times in his Mercury capsule. She told me I was wrong that it was impossible.


You got me beat Ben.

PG County Schools back in the white welcome back cotter daze.

Posted by: periculum | February 1, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Hook up with TE==Spud, he's got those great garlicky OC po-ta-toes ... Makes him himself using his own toe cheese.

Posted by: periculum | February 1, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

'...Every Cinderella has a Midnight...'

from, MistaMoe, blog philosopher emeritus

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 1, 2009 8:31 AM

'Nuff said about this game.

A cardinal, like chicken, is just another bird you can kill and grill.

Let's get it on.

Dolla' bet says Hilary was responsible for the technical issues during Matt Lauer's slurpa-listic interview with Prez Bam-Bam.

Is it me or does Larry Fitzgerald's dad look like a broke John Thompson?

Let's go, maybe, stillers.....

...then we get back to the good work of fixing the Skins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 1, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"...then we get back to the good work of fixing the Skins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 1, 2009"

Makes one wonder whether Vinnie or Daniel Snidely read this blog. I think read here that Vinnie told his wife not to look at it?

It does appear that after their long evaluation they now know they must do something about the offensive line. They let it languish far too long. The sign there was a problem came when they lost Derrick Brooks and had to again give up valuable draft picks to replace him. With someone way on the sunset of his career. Their 5th and 6th rounders they had the time failed miserably. As apparently has Rhinehart.

Can Vinnie and friends pick the right guys this time? ONLY time will tell. This is why I advocate using all the picks on OL. I am hoping this will improve the odds dramatically. The problem is they have had 3 failures and 1 success (Brooks) during the Gibbs years and after. One out of 4 is not very good ...


Posted by: periculum | February 1, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Cards 45
Steelers 21

Posted by: RedBaron2008 | February 1, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting until after the game to post my prediction.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 1, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Steelers!!

Posted by: columbiard | February 1, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Springsteen sounds exhausted. Has he been training with Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 1, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, for a little while there I was wondering what I'd be doing during the second half. But the Cards are hanging in there. Makes it worth watching for a little while longer...

Posted by: daggar | February 1, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

"I'm goin' to Disneyland!!!!!








with my grandkids!!!!"

Posted by: daggar | February 1, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh my goodness. Somebody wake The Boss!

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 1, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Deep thought:

It's good to have Larry Fitzgerald on your team.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 1, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Good game.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 1, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Springsteen sounds exhausted. Has he been training with Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 1, 2009 8:15 PM

He's been hanging with Aretha.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 1, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

pretty good game. The officials got a little overinvolved for my tastes, but definitely a fair result.

Posted by: daggar | February 1, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow, wow, wow. Aside from the officials, possibly the perfect Super Bowl. Big time players making big time plays, and a big time game ending in dramatic fashion. No complaints here. One of the few SB's that exceeded the hype.

Posted by: psps23 | February 1, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Steelers = 1st Team to Win 6 Super Bowls
means
Dallas will NEVER be the 1st team to win 6 Super Bowls

All in all, great game for Redskins fans!

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 1, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

... of course, total of Super Bowls is NOT the same as total of NFL titles.

Here's the true total of NFL championships in NFL history:


Packers have 14 championships
Bears have 8
Colts have 6
Steelers have 6
Redskins have 5
49ers have 5
Cowboys have 5

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 1, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

This superbowl proved one of two thing to me, that either the league does favorit and gets the Team in the Superbowl that they want to win (For better rating which increases the NFL revenue) or that the Official are getting just plain awful? I think all NFL season ticket holder should be in line for a "BAILOUT"

Posted by: CaptainJenkins04 | February 1, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

... of course, total of Super Bowls is NOT the same as total of NFL titles.

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 1, 2009 10:58 PM

Bless you. I am truly sick of sports reporters who should know better pretending that professional football was invented in 1967.


Posted by: jaypem | February 1, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow. A great game. It exceeded my expectations and was a great note to end the season.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 1, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

"... end the season".
What? End the season? Sorry, I'm not prepared to accept that.

I still have the bengals game on tape.
I'll just keep playing that every Sunday until August.

With a cask of amontillado. Some bricks. And the next hamster that whines about the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Posted by: daggar | February 2, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Why was the final play by the Cardinals not reviewed? It looked as if Warner's arm was going forward. I'm not saying it should'be been overturned or not but it should have been reviewed - just like the Holmes TD catch.

Oh well, if I was a Cards fan I would be pissed.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 2, 2009 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Bangkokben, just finished watching the game with some mates, and we all thought the same thing, I think he lost control before his arm went forward, but still definitely reviewable!

Posted by: kost52 | February 2, 2009 7:09 AM | Report abuse

With a cask of amontillado. Some bricks. And the next hamster that whines about the wrong thing at the wrong time.


Posted by: daggar | February 2, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Daggar, you sound like you're turing in to a Ravens fan.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 2, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

That was a good game. Didn't think the Cards D was strong enogh to hold the Steelers. The half time show sucked!!!! I can't wait for Transformers.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 2, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

kost,

I'm with you - probably shouldn't be overturned - but the most important play of the most important game of the season and no review. Now it's as it's being swept under the rug and no story. Hell they reviewed everything during the game and not this play?

Bottom line: I wouldn't to if Fitz could've won the hail mary.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 2, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

From the Dallas News

Receiver Roy Williams went public with his displeasure about the Cowboys' offense on Friday in a series of radio interviews. He said the Cowboys had "the easiest offense to figure out" and that his former team, the 0-16 Detroit Lions, practiced harder than the Cowboys. On ESPN-FM 103.3, Williams said the Cowboys need to move people around just to change things up

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 2, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Santonio Holmes got the MVP ... I figure that was based on ONE late 4th quarter TD catch ... and repeated pantsings of Rodgers-Cromartie in the flat.

I would have thought James Harrison should have gotten it, but his unsportmanlike punching of a guy on his knees when he should have been covering a punt (or FG) will erase a thing like MVP.

Hats off to the Cards' D ... except for the part about how they had more yards in penalties than Steelers had rushing.

In other news, my afternoon started with the Caps PASTING Ottawa (after smacking the Redwings the night before), including Ovie hat trick. For an owner who prioritizes entertainment over sustained winning built on a solid foundation, Daniel Snyder has NOTHING on Ted Leonsis. Among other things, I love the Caps jumbotron and how they use instant replay film to morph a player into anime. Very unlike the FedEx pong-like nanotron.

Posted by: dcsween | February 2, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Good game, really good game. First half dragged a little, but overall it lived up.

Harrison is a punk, punching a guy like that, should have gotten thrown out of the game for that.

Dockett had a good game, I think though at the end the Cards D might just have been gassed...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

"Harrison is a punk, punching a guy like that, should have gotten thrown out of the game for that."

Me thinks that had to be retaliation of some sort. I bet the guy he was man-handling was just as big of a punk, but just didn't get caught.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 2, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

yod, might be the case, but Harrison needs to handle his business in a better manner than that. Punching a guy, while he's on his knees even in retaliation, just looks bad no matter how you spin it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Morning all. Great game. But some bad commercials this year, how disappointing, except for the careerbuilder commercial hitting the koala bear.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Morning all. Great game. But some bad commercials this year, how disappointing, except for the careerbuilder commercial hitting the koala bear.

Posted by: alex35332

They were really bad commericials this year.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 2, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Lets face it they are some dirty teams.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I thought the Hulu commerical was pretty damn funny. Truth in advertising is alive and well.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 2, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

O_E it was good but I attribute most of the coolness to Alic B

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

true, alex.

I'm pretty sure that GoDaddy.com is just going to put 30 seconds of porn on next year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 2, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

ya Godaddy is a one trick pony, but thats a very good pony that you can ride for weeks on end SJK.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

did anyone actually go and log onto the go-daddy site to watch the rest of that??

I mean, the first year they were the "it" commercial, now thier schtick is getting a little old...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I was barley able to lift my head of the pillow, as I had the worst Sinus infection in the history of the World. I thought the game was very well played by both teams, what I saw of it anyway.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 2, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

...and so you're the cards' GM.

Do you try to get Warner to come back, knowing your future, M Leinhart, is waiting on the sideline?

...and so you're a HOF voter.

Does Warner get in, even with last night's loss?

...and then you're M. Tomlin.

Why didn't you pull your team aside and holla at them about the chippy, bone-headed personal fouls that gave the cards chances they didn't need in a championship game?

..and, finally, you're Santonio Holmes, a track kid Moe reminders from his days as a clueless track coach. All week long, folks talked smack, rightly, about L Fitzgerald.

Who's talking smack now?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

oh, you have my sympathies flound. I've had those before, and it made me want to take a drill bit and drill holes in my face to relieve the pressure....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

That was the worst I have ever felt, the Flu does'nt make me feel that bad.

I woke up this morning and most of the pressure was gone.

I felt like tearing my head off yesterday.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 2, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Moe, good, thought provoking questions:

I'm not sure what they do with Warner, having used a high first round pick on Matty Hot Tub. I think they have to bring Warner back though. I also think Warner gets in to the HOF.

I thought the Cards had more personal fouls, than the steelers did. Lots of bone-headed plays last night.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

...and so you're the cards' GM.

Do you try to get Warner to come back, knowing your future, M Leinhart, is waiting on the sideline?
I dunno if Leinhart is going to work out, his mind is probably a wreck from being off and on the bench so much, I would worry about that, I would be ready to get Warner to come back and look for a 2nd QB if he does not, a Jeff Garcia type

...and so you're a HOF voter.
Does Warner get in, even with last night's loss?

I would vote no because I hear he is a jerk and his teams eventually turn on him. But I would be out voted.

...and then you're M. Tomlin.
Why didn't you pull your team aside and holla at them about the chippy, bone-headed personal fouls that gave the cards chances they didn't need in a championship game?

I don't do it I have my position coach do it, if they don't respond right to the position coach I sit a guy for a series, but thats me and I am not a HC in the NFL.

..and, finally, you're Santonio Holmes, a track kid Moe reminders from his days as a clueless track coach. All week long, folks talked smack, rightly, about L Fitzgerald.
Who's talking smack now?

I think that AZ will try and talk smack among NFC teams and fail. Pitt always talks smack so no change there.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Warner will be one of those guys who gets argued about by HOF voters for many years but I think he'll eventually get in.

I think he's ready to retire after this season so I don't know how much of it will be up to the Card's GM.

The personal fouls evened out last night. The Steelers really lost their cool in the 4th when the momentum started to swing. Harrison should have been ejected from the game. I thought the roughing call on Dansby was BS.

I think anyone who talked smack about Fitzgerald can continue to do so. That dude was a beast last night when it counted. Santonio came up big, but I'd take Fitz over him 10 times out of 10.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 2, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Dansby roughing call was definitely garbage. All the others were legit. Holmes was a derserving MVP, he gashed that secondary the entire last drive and finished with 130 with the deciding TD. The kid Francisco for Zona was constantly in bad position or falling down. Reminded me of Leigh Torrence. Warner is a HOF'er and should come back next year. He was still in the top 3-5 in all major passing categories this year. No breaking revelations here but Fitz is the best WR in the league. Pitt put both safeties back deep that you barely ever head Clark's or Polamalu's name called. He still got his yards and 2 TD's.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 2, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Lets face it they are some dirty teams.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 8:41 AM |


That's the only bad thing about the game: the chippy play.

But, in a way, I guess it speaks to the fact that the cards weren't impressed by the stillers' swagga and the stillers weren't ready to let the cards take a title they felt was theirs.

Harrison's penalty, though, deserves a serious fine as with the whole world watching, you know Roger Goodell will try to make some kind of an example out of the guy.

And rightly so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 2, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I was watching and thought that Harrison would be the MVP till that penalty.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"I was watching and thought that Harrison would be the MVP till that penalty."

Agreed, he was all over the place. Can't believe he got cut twice and played in Europe.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 2, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Porn Clip Penetrates Super Bowl Broadcast
Posted Feb 2nd 2009 2:55AM by TMZ Staff

One minute it was Kurt Warner going deep ... the next , it was some porn star!?

Super Bowl fans in Tucson, Az were subjected to 30 seconds of hard core porn -- wang and all -- when somehow, the game feed was suddenly interrupted by a clip from an adult television channel.

Yes -- this actually happened.

Comcast -- the cable company in Tucson -- is working on an explanation, but right now it appears the porn break in only occurred in its standard-definition feed reaching analog TV sets.

Fortunately -- or unfortunately, depending on your taste -- high def viewers were spared the wiener shot

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 2, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

And that is why we are switching the US to digital cable. That and we are trying to force americans to buy new HDTV's (which is why we also are making sure the converter boxes cr@p out at random.)

Sincerely,
The Man.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"Fortunately -- or unfortunately, depending on your taste -- high def viewers were spared the wiener shot"

Looks like the Steelers defense weren't the only ones getting penetration last night.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 2, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Rimshot.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Funniest moment of the night. They panned to a shot of Dan Rooney in the owners box. Al Michaels says "there's Dan Rooney, Jacket off" and my wife screams "What did he just say?" we had to rewind just to be sure.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 2, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

They should have followed that up with some ad for ED drugs.

I guess Dansby is gonna be out of our price range as a free agent. Peter King thinks if he doesn't resign he will be an 8M per year player.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 2, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

O_E there were 2-3 of those last night but I was kinda drunk and did not write them down.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"...Can't believe he ['09 defense league MVP James Harrison] got cut twice and played in Europe."

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 2, 2009 9:41 AM


Moe Didn't know J Harrison was for former NFL Europe guy.

How many success stories came out of a league owners say they couldn't afford?

If MVPs are graduates of a developmental system for low drafted and FA types, doesn't it mean it's a cheaper, more reliable way of finding talent than the overhyped crapshoot known as the NFL draft?

If was it was still an operating league, both Fred Davis and Devin Thomas could use some time their getting their games together.

I know the league saw NFL as expensive, but I can't see why they could run the same league here in the states in non-NFL cities.

Both Harrison, Warner are poster children for giving guys some time and a venue to discover their game.

Imagine if, before the draft, the Skins could send:

Rob Jackson
Fred Davis
Devin Thomas
Chad Rhinehart
Colt Brennen

The team would immediately get an idea and film on these guys--and some possible FAs--in live action.

But I guess a cheap common sense way to develop and find talent costs too much money.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 2, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Moe,
Well I have been calling for it for a good few years, they should have brought it back to the US and put in cities that dont have a big name team or whatever.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know when the combine is??

Free agency starts the 27th of this month, correct??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Here is an interesting face about the NFL's dead minor league for you moe. did you know that for the 14 years it was in existence no no official had gone to the NFL without being in Europa, it was also a minor league for them.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

NFL combine begins Feb. 18

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 2, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

jm, thanks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

It's kinda sad to say, but I'm rocking my Redskins hoody today because it's officially the start of next season. Hopefully next year I'm wearing it in celebration.

Posted by: countystyle | February 2, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

kost,

I'm with you - probably shouldn't be overturned - but the most important play of the most important game of the season and no review. Now it's as it's being swept under the rug and no story. Hell they reviewed everything during the game and not this play?

Bottom line: I wouldn't to if Fitz could've won the hail mary.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 2, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

BKBen and Kost, I'm certain that they looked at the replay in the booth, and determined pretty quickly that his arm had not started going forward when defender grabbed arm, ball was still in hand, and then was knocked out of his hand.

I thought the officiating was outstanding. Every replay showed clearly a foul. On Harrison's TD run, Warner may have been held/tackled, but that was 60 yards behind the line of scrimmage, so officials were quite out of position, trying to keep up with the play.

Great game to end the season.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 2, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

My undersating is the Booth officials have to call for the review in the final 2:00 minutes. So they looked at it and said it was a fumble no reason to review.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 2, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Great SB! SBs have actually been good like the last 10 years...

Feel for my boy Grimm. But what a turnaround he was a part of...someone make this man a HC!

Go Caps

Posted by: chrislarry | February 2, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Man I can't wait for football season to start!


HAIL TO 'EM *****ES!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but was the safety call a late flag, or a late pick up of the flag by the broadcast crew?

It had to be called, since EVERY Steelers lineman was holding on the play.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 2, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Anyone think this is hopefully the last year we'll see a prevent defense?

It really boggles the mind that teams keep doing this, it seems any 2 minute offense can pick it apart...

Posted by: nagoose | February 2, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

PS refs sucked last night no matter who you were cheering for

they wanted to be on TV too much

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

John D, on the replay of the safety *which is slowed to 1/2 speed, it was thrown at what I would called a reasonable speed. The flag was on the ground while the play was still developing.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, I remember a story like that with like 5 minutes of porn coming in over kids' cartoons on the Cartoon Network.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

Agreed the flag was thrown before the ball was.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 2, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, I remember a story like that with like 5 minutes of porn coming in over kids' cartoons on the Cartoon Network.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 11:29 AM |

That had to be someone hacking the signal.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 2, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

It was a guy named Tyler Durgen.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

ah - thanks Flounder and Alex - the TV people just got around to mentioning it and putting it on the screen much later than they usually do...but I loved the replay - damn, that guy's holding, and that guy's holding and DAMN - they are all holding!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 2, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

yes, prevent D is awful and stupid

only a crappy offense like ours could not score on that

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think the standard prevent D is awful, you should only use it when there are 3 seconds on the clock and you know its a hail marry moment. I can deal with a team wanting to run a cover 4 or cover 3 or something but you still need to rush five or do some crazy blitzing and underneath coverage.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Game over ... Pro Bowl coming up ... and then

Redskins fans favorite show returns:

The continuing soap operic saga of Snidely Owl
and Vinnie the hamster creating drama, havoc,
pathos, and even humor in the formerly quaint
southern city on the river called Washington,
D.C.

Will Snidely break up his marriage as he attempts to steal away with Chris Cooley's hairdresser hotty? Will Vinnie steal Snidely's
crown jewels when he isn't looking. Will Zorn's
comic relief become tiresome? Will GBlache smash
mouth the patrons of the Toddle House? Will Skippy stagger down the 14 street and find out that Vinnie's wife may have a "part-time" job.

Who knows? The Shadow knows ... brrrrrrrrrr

Posted by: periculum | February 2, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

yes, prevent D is awful and stupid

only a crappy offense like ours could not score on that

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 11:44 AM |

Truth agree,

Since we are the only team in the league that can't throw the ball down the middle of the field.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 2, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

1) With all the ref favortism, I didn't know if I was watching the SB or LeBron in the playoffs half the time.

2) Anyone still think Karlos Dansby is gonna get less $ than Terrell Suggs in FA?

3) Warner has got to go to the Hall of Fame, right? SuperBowl winner, SuperBowl MVP, 2-time league MVP, he holds the #1,#2 and #3 spots for most passing yards in a Superbowl...

4) James Harrison got shafted for SB MVP, IMO. Not only did he have the longest play in SB history w/ a 100 yard INT return to turn the game back around, but he forced 3 holds on Max Gandy - that's pretty much equal to having 3 sacks. 1 INT, 1TD, 3 Sacks...those are MVP numbers...

Posted by: p1funk | February 2, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"only a crappy offense like ours could not score on that

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009"

The difference between a good OL and one that is in tatters ... you only need a 3 man rush to put the pressure on, even up the middle with ours.

I sincerely doubt that Kurt Warner would have had much success behind the offensive line the Redskins featured at the end of the year.

Posted by: periculum | February 2, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

p1, you forgot to mention 1 cheap shot, and 1-15 yard penalty.

He probably would have won it, had he not punched a guy who was on his knees......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

p1, you forgot to mention 1 cheap shot, and 1-15 yard penalty.

He probably would have won it, had he not punched a guy who was on his knees......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Instead they gave it to a guy who might get suspended by the league for smoking pot...

Posted by: p1funk | February 2, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"Flounder, I remember a story like that with like 5 minutes of porn coming in over kids' cartoons on the Cartoon Network.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009"

Putting socially "awkward" geeks in charge of the computers that control cable programming. Never a good idea ... especially with AFC's. Average Frustrated Chumps.

Posted by: periculum | February 2, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Hasn't Phelps proved that it just makes you a better athlete like Popeye's spinach.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

PS rumor has it Bob Knight to UGA

SEC Championship (in basketball) here we come???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

++++I'm done with Post sports
.
Posted by: kdjsgreen | February 1, 2009 2:00 PM

It won't seem the same without you. Who are you?

Posted by: talent_evaluator++++

Freakin’ Brilliant. AND funnier than 99% of the commercials yesterday.

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

+++I say we ignore everyone else's blogs and focus on our own prognosticating, bloviating, pontificating and jibba jabba. It's gotten us this far, hasn't it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX+++


I think it’s sad you waited until after kdisgreen left the building to bring that up.

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Springsteen sounds exhausted. Has he been training with Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: SMACK1 |

I think that whack in the family jewels with a camera might have had something to do with it.

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

BTW, speaking of commercials, I thought they were all pretty lame last night...

Posted by: p1funk | February 2, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse


SKIPPY called to say he got hold of some bad Two Buck Chuck last night, and has a "Plate ache." But he said he may weigh in later with his analysis of the game.

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Springsteen sounds exhausted. Has he been training with Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: SMACK1 |

The Boss didn't sound half as bad as VanZant looked...I thought he was a character from the Lord of the Rings...

Posted by: p1funk | February 2, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

commercials have gone downhill since the Budweiser frogs!


seriously, no one cares about that stupid Budweiser horse!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

They were I think everyone could say there were 1-2 good ones but most the commercials sucked

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm still trying to figure out WTH John Turturo was talking about in that Heineken commercial...

Posted by: p1funk | February 2, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

3) Warner has got to go to the Hall of Fame, right? SuperBowl winner, SuperBowl MVP, 2-time league MVP, he holds the #1,#2 and #3 spots for most passing yards in a Superbowl...

Posted by: p1funk | February 2, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I think more pertinent to the HOF is how does Warner compare and rank during regular season production with other QB's playing at same time, not what he did in several SB's. I haven't gone back over the last 10 years to see how he has done. I'm just saying that is more significant to me.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 2, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

They need to bring back "Terry Tate Office Linebacker". Those were great.


JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok here are the comercials I liked.

Pepsi Max, "I'm good", Career Builder punching the furry animal, Hulu was ok, the Conan commercial was ok but having Alist talent is a cop out.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

++++p1, you forgot to mention 1 cheap shot, and 1-15 yard penalty.

He probably would have won it, had he not punched a guy who was on his knees......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Instead they gave it to a guy who might get suspended by the league for smoking pot...

Posted by: p1funk ++++


Yeah Funk. Doing a blunt is MUCH worse than cheap shotting a defenseless player on his knees.

Without that move on Harrison's part, you have an excellent argument.

Other Pittsburgh MVPs' include Ben R., Dick LeBeau, Jacket Off Rooney, Tomlin, travelling P-burgh fans, and Tom Brady's knee.

By the way, was Edge James hurt? Or did I imagine he didnt' play late in the game?

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The following things will hurt Warner, he spent too much time in the minors (though still has had a long NFL career). I think his drifting from team to team will bug some voters. But the fallout from when he left Stl will be remembered.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

+++seriously, no one cares about that stupid Budweiser horse!

Posted by: TheTruth11+++

You're kidding right? Having the Clydesdales in commercials is a not-so-subtle reminder that there IS something that tastes worse than their beer.

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Arizona was playing a Arena League/Flag football game is why you did not see edge.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Funk. Doing a blunt is MUCH worse than cheap shotting a defenseless player on his knees.

Without that move on Harrison's part, you have an excellent argument.

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm just saying; if we're finding reasons to deny a guy...

Anyways, I'd say that engaging in criminal activity is worse than giving a forearm to another NLF player in full pads/helmet in the middle of a freakin' football game...


Posted by: p1funk | February 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,
Problem is you got a ever growing number of people who don't think it should be a crime anymore.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,
Problem is you got a ever growing number of people who don't think it should be a crime anymore.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 12:26 PM

Or like out here in CA. where all you need is a doctors note to get a prescription to get it.

Puff, puff, give.

Legalizing pot would help bring the country out of the financial mess it's in now. It'd be a great cash crop.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 2, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Let's not get into it, boys...it is a multi-faceted debate.

My point is that if you're gonna deny James Harrison b/c he's not an Eagle Scout, then you can find reasons to do the same with Santonio...

Posted by: p1funk | February 2, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

p, what Holmes did had ZERO bearing on the game. They're 2 completely seperate issues.

What Harrison did occurred during the game, and had an impact on the game. You can't really compare the 2 things.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I thought Harrison's TD should have been brought back (to the 1 yard line with no time left on the clock); the replay showed his knee hitting the ground before the ball broke the plane. With that and the Steelers winning by less than a touchdown, I think the game was given to them. Not to mention the roughing penalty on Dansby.

I would love a "minor" league for the NFL. Especially if it had 12-14 regular season games, the same type of playoff format (except fewer teams, like 4 instead of 6 per conference), and ran it's season opposite the NFL (a spring or summer season instead of fall).

Glad to hear you're doing better flounder. Sinus infections are horrific, especially when you lay down because you feel everything drain.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | February 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

so now what?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Free Grand Slam tomorrow!!!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

JFK, I believe his knee landed, directly on Larry Fitz's "midsection", if you will, and not on the ground.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

jesusfreak,

The replay clearly showed his knee on top of Fitzgeralds leg, not on the ground stop acting like they were given the game.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 2, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

One angle showed IMO his knee hit the ground. Another angle had his knee hit a card instead because it didn't give full view of his knees.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | February 2, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

red, now, the combine, free agency, pro-days, then the draft.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Here is an interesting fact about the NFL's dead minor league--did you know that for the 14 years it was in existence, no official had gone to the NFL without being in Europa, it was also a minor league for them.


Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 10:34 AM |


I did not know that, Alex "Mr. Trubeck"35332.

It's just further proof the league should bring it back.

OTHER CHANGES:

18 game schedule

3 preseason games

common bye with four games featuring a replay of the previous season's final championship 4.

An NBA sal cap structure where draft picks are paid by a 'slotting system'.

Also, in order to keep vet around, a bonus system that awards 2-3 players at the end of their contracts a raise that keeps them on the team, but the amount doesn't violate the cap amount.

Back up quarterbacks shouldn't count on the roster. Teams could keep two younger guys to groom.

Or: raise the player limit to 60 from 53, and do away with the practice squad.

End the silly Detriot or Dallas or else Thanksgiving game choices. Let's flex schedule some better teams into that day's game.

Moe has finished changing the world, now it's time for somebody to change this darn posting...hey, JASNO! Get to steppin'!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 2, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, NOW you get back to work and make those licenses, nerd.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"Harrison is a punk, punching a guy like that, should have gotten thrown out of the game for that."

Me thinks that had to be retaliation of some sort. I bet the guy he was man-handling was just as big of a punk, but just didn't get caught.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 2, 2009 8:33 AM

Yoder,

This was in Peter King's column this morning:

"How can a Cardinal (it was hard to tell whom) throw a haymaker on the first play of the second quarter and not only not get thrown out but not get penalized? That's a punch the umpire, Roy Ellison, absolutely cannot miss."

Maybe this was it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

One angle showed IMO his knee hit the ground. Another angle had his knee hit a card instead because it didn't give full view of his knees.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | February 2, 2009 12:53 PM

There was no "conclusive evidence" on any angle to overturn the ref's call. But it looked like the ref made his call from well behind the play.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

sorry MistaMoe but how do you expect teams to finish 18 game seasons when they can barely get through a 16 game season?

I read an article around the 15th week and it was incredible how many starters and second stringers had missed games due to injuries this year. 18 games would be ridiclous, even if you add SEVEN WHOLE PLAYERS like you proposed.

And you're a Redskins fan? How the hell are WE gonna finish a season when we can't get through 8 games without our OL becoming worthless!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Or like out here in CA. where all you need is a doctors note to get a prescription to get it.

Puff, puff, give.

Legalizing pot would help bring the country out of the financial mess it's in now. It'd be a great cash crop.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 2, 2009"

Yeah, you open your little Marijuana Medical dispensary ... but you make a biiiiigggg mistake.
Understandable given the economic quandry we are in. You start to sell it to other folks who do not have the prescription and can't get it.

Suddenly one of the nastiest and perhaps even less liked than the IRS shows up at your door. Oh my its the DEA, and Federal law does have jurisdiction in this case. You lose your business, cars, house, etc. per the law. You end up with a drug conviction.

Legalizing the stuff has many pro's and con's. In the end its all about money. I think it costs a lot more in medical damage. People who end up doing this regularly and not once-in-a-while recreational usually end up on disability (for other reasons of course since drug addiction is not permitted as an excuse for being disabled.).
And that's because you can't really work. Then the final straw ... severe lung cancer at a very early age. It all costs tax payer money ... big money. Your money, not theirs.

Posted by: periculum | February 2, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Free Grand Slam tomorrow!!!

Free as in linux -- "only if your time has no value".

Posted by: daggar | February 2, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Yoder,

This was in Peter King's column this morning:

"How can a Cardinal (it was hard to tell whom) throw a haymaker on the first play of the second quarter and not only not get thrown out but not get penalized? That's a punch the umpire, Roy Ellison, absolutely cannot miss."

Maybe this was it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator


I have no idea, I was just assuming that a disciplined Steeler player wouldn't go out of his way to hurt his team with a penalty unless it was payback.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 2, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"SKIPPY called to say he got hold of some bad Two Buck Chuck last night, and has a "Plate ache." But he said he may weigh in later with his analysis of the game.

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009"

SPUD called to say he couldn't watch the whole game because his frat home boyz couldn't stand having a AFC (average frustrated chump) watching the game. He can't stand urinating next to someone else in the common bath ... and he takes hour plus long showers ...

Told him to "catch a cab Spud". So, he did. Ended up at the Block met some older lady of the night who kept asking him to buy her champagne. Couldn't watch the game. Then she said, "Ill s???* you, f**?? you, theerty five dolluhs NO TIP". Spud couldn't resist. Now he has crabs and who knows what else.

But he may get back with an analysis of the game, at least the parts his talent_evaluator eyes could manage to pick up.

Posted by: periculum | February 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Still ticked about Russ Grimm not getting in, though hard to argue against the guys that did get in, except Hayes.

In case anyone wonders about bias ... rayfield wright and bob hayes (both dallas) have been nominated by the seniors committee a total of 3 times. Combined, they have a total of 9 Pro Bowls. Chris Hanburger, who went to 9 Pro Bowls, nominated ZERO times by the senior committee.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

So everyone has to put on their GM caps?


Cool. With only four picks and a ho hum free agency class, what choices do they have?

Draft two OL.

Draft two DL.

Cut Springs & Washington, for sure. Consider cutting Taylor, shop Rogers - you don't HAVE to trade him. Think value and young in free agency.

Continue to develop: PRIORITY - Campbell, Kelly, Thomas, then the other young guys, and the playbook.

Shouldn't be too hard and an overall quiet offseason in Ashburn, I think.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 2, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

How the hell are WE gonna finish a season when we can't get through 8 games without our OL becoming worthless!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 1:03 PM

Why are you worthless?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'll give my take on Harrison's "dirty tactics".

I'm not sure of this, because I only saw the replay right after the play.

But, as soon as the punt is made, Harrison becomes a blocker on the return. His guy fell to the ground, and as long as he didn't try to get up, Harrison just stood over him. But when he tried to get up, Harrison hit him in the chest. As long as the punt is still in play, it is a legal block. I don't know when the whistle blew. But if the league doesn't fine him, I think you will find that he was acting within the rules.

OK, now you can all jump all over me for that explanation.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 2, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Anyways, I'd say that engaging in criminal activity is worse than giving a forearm to another NLF player in full pads/helmet in the middle of a freakin' football game...


Posted by: p1funk |

Book 'em Funk-o. He can have Phelps as his cellmate.

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

+++p1funk,

Problem is you got a ever growing number of people who don't think it should be a crime anymore.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 12:26 PM+++

And it WOULDN'T be, except its supporters keep forgetting to vote.

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Looks like while Harrison had the guy pinned he had some words for him, I think it was some possible "get back" for something the other guy did earlier.

Not saying it was right, but the guy probably deserved it.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 2, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz - I agree completely. Aside from the initial blow to the head when the guy was down, Harrison was doing nothing wrong. It was a simple personal foul, nothing more.

Posted by: psps23 | February 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse


+++ With only four picks and a ho hum free agency class, what choices do they have?.+++

Twelve picks made. 'skins on the clock. THREE of the top FOUR offensive tackles have been chosen. Vinny gets a call from the Cardinals...desperate to replace Gandy.

"Hey, Vinny. We'll give you our first, second and fourth" for your #13 overall."

You're the EVP. You make the trade?

PROS: More draft picks to blow.

CONS: Passing up an potential All-Pro Left Tackle.

HURRY. The Clock is ticking!!!!!

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I saw what frediefritz saw.

As for the whole weed debate, someday we (or our grandchildren) will look back and view America's drug laws the same way we look back and view the Salem witch hunts.

Posted by: mack1 | February 2, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Continue to develop: PRIORITY - Campbell, Kelly, Thomas, then the other young guys, and the playbook.

Posted by: RedDMV |"


man, you should be the GM with great insight like that!

"Uhhh, develop the starting QB, the two WR's of the future, and uhhh, the other people...yeah."

Great stuff!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

As for the whole weed debate, someday we (or our grandchildren) will look back and view America's drug laws the same way we look back and view the Salem witch hunts.

Posted by: mack1

----

and the prohibition

Posted by: psps23 | February 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"As for the whole weed debate, someday we (or our grandchildren) will look back and view America's drug laws the same way we look back and view the Salem witch hunts.

Posted by: mack1 "

I already do...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

every non-steelers fan is talking about that play...everyone wants to know...WHAT THE F#CUK HAPPENED on THAT play...SOOOOOOO how come no one has explained it yet? how come andrea kramer didn't ask harrison after the game "boo, so what was all that about?"...? we're all sittin here wondering, guessing amongst ourselves yet no one has asked harrison or the "victim" what the hell happened? or at least no one has reported it yet...odd isn't it. maybe tomorrow we'll have the answer? are they giving the steelers a day of reprieve (probly the wrong word...) or something...

Posted by: dealer1 | February 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

hey dealer, calm down

I'll give you the answer without even talking to any of the players/coaches

Football is an emotional game.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

+++ With only four picks and a ho hum free agency class, what choices do they have?.+++

Twelve picks made. 'skins on the clock. THREE of the top FOUR offensive tackles have been chosen. Vinny gets a call from the Cardinals...desperate to replace Gandy.

"Hey, Vinny. We'll give you our first, second and fourth" for your #13 overall."

You're the EVP. You make the trade?

PROS: More draft picks to blow.

CONS: Passing up an potential All-Pro Left Tackle.

HURRY. The Clock is ticking!!!!!

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse


That's easy-- you take it, then draft Alex Mack at the end of the first round, Phil Loadholt at the bottom of the second, and Max Unger in the 4th-- 2 guards (one of which can ultimately replace Rabach), our RT, and we'll still have a 3 and a 6 to get a linebacker or DL.

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

man, you should be the GM with great insight like that!

"Uhhh, develop the starting QB, the two WR's of the future, and uhhh, the other people...yeah."

Great stuff!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 2:06 PM


Uh yeah man, you should probably have your brains blown out due to the simple fact you're breathing righ tnow.

it was my intent to be vague and state the obvious. it's yours to be an assjocking clown.

go play chutes and ladders with your little brother, turd #11.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 2, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Twelve picks made. 'skins on the clock. THREE of the top FOUR offensive tackles have been chosen. Vinny gets a call from the Cardinals...desperate to replace Gandy.

"Hey, Vinny. We'll give you our first, second and fourth" for your #13 overall."

You're the EVP. You make the trade?

PROS: More draft picks to blow.

CONS: Passing up an potential All-Pro Left Tackle.

HURRY. The Clock is ticking!!!!!

Posted by: TheCork | February 2, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse
I'll counteroffer: your 1st, 2nd and 1st next year. According to the draft chart, pick #13 is worth 1150 points. Their 1st pick #31 is worth 600, 2nd is worth 276, and pick 31 next year is like a 2nd round this year, anywhere from 580 to 270. Instead of their 1st next year, I might consider their 2nd and 3rd next year.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 2, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I agree on the 18 game schedule but if we had a development league we would not need 3 pre-season games anymore. I am also all for a common bye or go to a 20 week regular season with 1/2 the teams getting a bye at week 10 and the other 1/2 on week 11.

I think its universally accepted that their needs to be a predetermine pay system for rookies and a longer season plus a second squad for developmental teams would require an expansion of the roster. I would expand it to a max 99 players
where you can allocate 40 to your second squad.

I say the Turkey day games should be 1 AFC game & 1 NFC @ the AFC/NFC champ's home, and it has to be a devision rival.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

and the prohibition

Posted by: psps23

Saw something on history channel apparently before WW1 & the prohibition the US had over 2,000 breweries, and were making beers that bested Germanys, after we had about 160 and were left with Bud.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

thetruth

'...sorry MistaMoe but how do you expect teams to finish 18 game seasons when they can barely get through a 16 game season?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 2, 2009 1:03 PM


Well, let's see: presently, teams play 4 pre-season games, then a 16 game schedule.

That's 20 games--admittedly, two of the preseason games are loaded with guys who'll never make NFL teams: so why play them?

Moe's modest non-baby eating proposal says, play three preseason games, and a 18 game schedule.

If the 'scrubs' play in o1 or 2 of those highly profitable, but boring preseason games, that means the starters play a total of 19 games, one less than what they play now.

And when you consider a deeper roster of 60 players, the depth would allow teams to rest guys or play games knowing every guy on the roster could be used.

How is this a bad idea, again?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The NFL should also change the inactive player rules. It's ridiculous that the teams can have 53 players on the roster, but can only play 48 on game day.

Posted by: siris | February 2, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I think 59 players active.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The Prohibition also coincided with the rise of the automobile and prevented early cars from running on ethanol, forcing a transition to petroleum. The model T and early diesel engines were all designed to run on biofuels.

So that combined with the death of microbrews make the prohibition = power rankings = mel kiper jr's hair

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"Saw something on history channel apparently before WW1 & the prohibition the US had over 2,000 breweries, and were making beers that bested Germanys, after we had about 160 and were left with Bud."

Who do you think was responsible for those great "American" beers?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

German Americans and the Amish

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

alex

What I hate is that the cowboys are being given a double 'bye' every year.

The funny thing is, though, whereas most teams play well after the turkey day break, recent history has the cowboy crowd going down like a white house intern every December.

There seems to be some mythology about their franchise being America's Team.

That was true in the days of Staubach, Dorsett, Ed Jones, and Charlie Waters.

But other than the clueless hacks who work in sports media, who apes to see TO and Romo-the-homo while slurpin' on turkey and taters?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"German Americans and the Amish"

ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 2, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Conversation I had with my friends last night: What rules or changes would make you want the XFL to come back / and make you watch?

We decided on the elimination of forward laterals, balls thrown away to the sidelines and caught by the opposing team count as turnovers, and teams can be co-ed with female td's counting as double (rule stolen from high school gym class). There were plenty more, but I can't exactly remember for some reason...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Legalizing the stuff has many pro's and con's. In the end its all about money. I think it costs a lot more in medical damage. People who end up doing this regularly and not once-in-a-while recreational usually end up on disability (for other reasons of course since drug addiction is not permitted as an excuse for being disabled.).
And that's because you can't really work. Then the final straw ... severe lung cancer at a very early age. It all costs tax payer money ... big money. Your money, not theirs.

Posted by: periculum | February 2, 2009 1:08 PM+

Periculum,
It is all about money. Can I argue the bottom line?
People are people; they'll get addicted because they have addictive personalities, whether it's prescription medication (drugs that the Gov't tells us are legal) or alcohol, both of which have just as many dependents if not more than marijuana does plus they are much more dangerous as well.

I think tax dollars could be used more effectively if the tax payers money were not supporting the millions of mandatory minimum sentences housed in our jail system every year. Much of the poor economic status can point to a lot of things, one being outsourcing our jobs, but keep drugs in mind as well. Much american money is put into marijuana and sadly the Gov't doesn't recognize the importance of the plant and money spent on purchasing herb is often times money going into another country's reserve.

Drugs are drugs. Wiid could be a cash crop, a potential billion dollar industry. We could eliminate mandatory minimum sentencing for petty wiid charges; saving tax payer dollars and reducing the already overflowing jails.

In short, I think a lot of people would be much happier if wiid were decriminalized.


Posted by: matthewvickers | February 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

why stop at weed....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Why not meth?

I don't know? I've never tried it?

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Yodes.
The XFL's problem were not the rules but the presentation and just miserable play, they made it too WWF, and each team's talent was very narrow and if I remember correctly the winning team won due to having a solid QB and a good kicker.


Loved the scramble for the ball to start the game and the on the field camera.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Look if you want all the info you could ever need about the issues surrounding the issues of Illegal narcotics I recommend. http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/243

A little book my father publishes every few years, and considering he is one of the leading experts in the US on the issue its reliable.

For stuff from the whole anti-drug argument I suggest going to the DEA's website.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I think tax dollars could be used more effectively if the tax payers money were not supporting the millions of mandatory minimum sentences housed in our jail system every year. Much of the poor economic status can point to a lot of things, one being outsourcing our jobs, but keep drugs in mind as well. Much american money is put into marijuana and sadly the Gov't doesn't recognize the importance of the plant and money spent on purchasing herb is often times money going into another country's reserve.

"Drugs are drugs. Wiid could be a cash crop, a potential billion dollar industry. We could eliminate mandatory minimum sentencing for petty wiid charges; saving tax payer dollars and reducing the already overflowing jails.

In short, I think a lot of people would be much happier if wiid were decriminalized.


Posted by: matthewvickers | February 2, 2009"

Last point first. Its already been tried. For reference seek out one of my very favorite bald faced boy books: The Compete Works of Sherlock Holmes by A. Conan Doyle.

Many problems faced by that society (including random unresolvable murders and violence) basically ooozed out of the Opium Dens. When you read that the Victorian, nay the Wild, Wild West was well wild. They aren't even telling you half the story ... "Sex, Drugs, and Rock-and-Roll". Take out the rock-and-roll, throw in burlesque and "old-timey" and you describe the Victorian era. Their abuse, misuse of legally available drugs of any genre caused the conservative backlash of the Edwardian era leading to the Prohibition. Women always were and still are the pragmatic ones ... men are instinctively romantic, adventuress ... women love romance, and like to be romanced by men also instinctively ... also related to the topic but I digress. Suffice it to say that the Victorians notions about sex made the sixties look positively Puritanical!!! And even by today's standards ... oh my yes. Just hidden behind those ubiquitous and prim and proper closed doors.

It was tried. Some very wise MD's back in the day when medicine wasn't all about the money convinced the powers-that-be to make most recreational drugs illegal to make their jobs easier and hopefully far more successful. Consider this: place like Hong Kong, other coastal cities in China and India were created just for the very lucrative DRUG TRADE!!! The original 13 Colonies once served as raw materials providers to the largest drug emporium in the world. The island of Hispaniola produced RUM. No where else had it back in that day. IT WAS THE MOST VALUABLE PIECE OF REAL ESTATE on the planet. Amazing but true. So, clearly making drugs and alcohol illegal went against the all mighty dollar.

Posted by: periculum | February 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So, did making them illegal work? Better than one would think given that self-medicating ourselves in this manner goes back 20-30,000 years perhaps and made be a part of our genes. Thus instinctive. Its why many anthropologists and archaeologists believe that agriculture was invented. To make drugs.

On to the first point. I think you will find it is much, much cheaper to put folks in jail with minimum sentences than to pay out the exorbitant medical charges to "fix them". The Swiss have an interesting way of solving this. They take them, arrest them, then throw them all into a special "park" set aside of addicts. They aren't allowed to leave ... but they aren't really in prison. No one is paying for food etc. Its up to their families if they have any.

However, you live in the veritable country that invented the concept of rehabilitation ... especially for prisoners. Nations from around the world used to come to this country to study how we did it. We needed everyone ... population shortage at the time. Much has changed but that concept or guiding principal still appears to exist.

Rehabilitation costs like the exorbitant medical costs. It comes out of your tax dollars. Many states now consider themselves virtually bankrupt not because of the prisons but because of things like Medical, Rehabilitation, basically entitlements. What do you think happens in those situations?

I am not saying I disagree with you ... its just the way it is. I think a better solution is called for. I don't know what that is.

I'm just pointing out that "legal" drugs were tried and made a lot of folks rich. Especially folks in GB/England who's families today basically own us.


Posted by: periculum | February 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Michael: Well I wrote them down so I wouldn't forget. Jim, you're 6'11 and you weigh 90 pounds, Gumby has a better body than you. Boom. Roasted. Dwight, you're a kiss ass. Boom. Roasted. Pam, you failed art school. Boom. Roasted. Meredith, you've slept with so many guys you're starting to look like one. Boom. Roasted. Kevin, I can't decide between a fat joke and a dumb joke. Boom. Roasted. Creed, you're teeth called, your breath stinks. Boom. Roasted. Angela where's Angela? [Angela raises her hand] Whoa there you are, I didn't see you there behind that grain of rice. Boom. Roasted. Stanley, you crush your wife during sex and your heart sucks. Boom. Roasted.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff there Bean.

periculum, how did you go from weed to opium, thats a big jump.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"I think tax dollars could be used more effectively if the tax payers money were not supporting the millions of mandatory minimum sentences housed in our jail system every year"

Personally I feel that Jails should be self sustaining. Don't punsish me as a tax payer because you make bad decisions.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

bottom line is alcohol kills more people than marijuana ever will. so does tobacco. tobacco kills even if you're not smoking it. WTF?! bottom line is marijuana is an herb, exists in nature just like tobacco. bottom line is it rids of anxiety, depression like no other prescription drug out there WITHOUT any of their side effects. bottom line is just like everything else in the world MODERATION is the key. JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS LEGAL!!! weed should be legalized. period. end of story.

the only reason it is a "gateway" drug is because it is ILLEGAL!!! and you could say the same thing about beer and tobacco, real gateway drugs!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | February 2, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Prescription med and alcohol abuse are just as harmful or more than smoking buds. Same with cigarrette smoking but those are all ok since there is corprate money to be made.

And to complain about tax money having to be used for some that have no discipline and need rehab is no worse than tax money going to bail out the same institutions that helped put this economy in the mess it is in.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 2, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

the average daily cost per state prison inmate per day in the US in 2005 was $67.55 there are 1/2 million people in jail for non-violent drug offenses, that means we spend just under 34 mill a day on just keeping them locked up, and 12.3 bill a year, and thats just on prisons not to add in enforcement.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

dealer, that's realness talking right there.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

posse, you'll get no arguement from me....
personal responsibility...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Periculum. Very informative and much appreciated., I agree, too, I think a better solution is called for.

The Office last night was pretty funny.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 2, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes personal responsibilty is great. And if the Government can start getting a fist full of extra tax dollars from the roughly 300 billion a year in the drug black market (which is a global #)

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"why stop at weed....

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

Because in comparison to other higher-grade drugs, including many prescriptions, marijuana has little detrimental medical effects. It's virtually impossible to "OD" on marijuana, and THC is not a highly addictive substance in comparison to a carcinogen like nicotine, let alone the other truly dangerous drugs.

In my opinion, it's no worse than alcohol. Both impede judgment, functionality, and motor reflex ability, and I really don't see why one is "better" than the other.

Posted by: psps23 | February 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

And if the Government can start getting a fist full of extra tax dollars from the roughly 300 billion a year in the drug black market (which is a global #)

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:12 PM

They can probably wring that money out of the Obama Administration in their confirmation hearings. `Uh, it was an honest mistake and I`ve corrected it.`

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, it's no worse than alcohol. Both impede judgment, functionality, and motor reflex ability, and I really don't see why one is "better" than the other.

Posted by: psps23 | February 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Because only one makes you violent, and is proven to kill brain cells the other is illegal.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

psp, I was kidding about the stopping point..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Its true, I should stop doing my taxes so I can run for office someday.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Rehab costs more than prison? Periculum's argument would be pretty convincing if he weren't just making stuff up.

Posted by: mack1 | February 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

why stop at weed....Posted by: BeantownGreg

why stop at a hand gun? why not legalize wmd's?

i say if you can grow it, you can smoke it.

greg, agree with you on the prisons though...they should be self sustaining.

Posted by: dealer1 | February 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"psp, I was kidding about the stopping point..

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

Hah, my bad. I thought you were arguing against legalization.

Posted by: psps23 | February 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

greg, agree with you on the prisons though...they should be self sustaining.

Posted by: dealer1 | February 2, 2009 4:23 PM

This is the Bernie Madoff prison -- doesnt cost the taxpayers a cent.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

greg, agree with you on the prisons though...they should be self sustaining.
Posted by: dealer1 | February 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

But not privatized, thats basically americas new slave labor.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

thanks redmv!

tt, what you talk boy...i wasn't mad....i was just asking a simple question why did the media ignore a question that we're all wondering the answer to?

-drive by

Posted by: dealer1 | February 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Wow, we used to just solve the Skins problems here on RI. Now we're going to solve the drug issue.

Next... World hunger, elimination of war, homelessness! How about a cure for cancer?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Mac,
He would be right about the cost if people were put in Rehab for 3-30 years, it would cost more, its one of those lines the DARE types fall for all the time.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

build the prison on a track of land, they can plant/farm their own food, everyone resorts to being vegetarians, build the prison so that they have electricity producing exercise equipment for lighting and heat.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Almost 5 pm in DC. So here's the next question... What are we going to use tonight?

Legal or illegal?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Almost 5 pm in DC. So here's the next question... What are we going to use tonight?

Legal or illegal?"

Posted by: frediefritz | February 2, 2009 4:34 PM+

I think the answer is both?

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks ALEX and DEALER1 and others concerning your insightful information about pot and how we as a country are channeling our resources the wrong way because we crimminalize pot use, we allow the drug dealers to create a dangerous and destructive enterprise that preys on society and turns our communties into drug turf where hundreds of lives are destroyed. The crimminal justice system offers no real solution by jailing harmless offenders, as a former user of the "erb"(had to stop as my daughter became a teenager)i now talk to young people about drug use; mind you,not lecturing just letting them know that pot is not the evil that society says it is and that alcohol is far more dangerous and lethal and how alcohol use can have dire and deadly consequences, and don't look for the new AG(Eric Holder) to be any help in decriminalizing marajuana use as he is a hard liner concerning pot use.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Next... World hunger, elimination of war, homelessness! How about a cure for cancer?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

World Hunger.

If we build those Agro-towers we could have enough food to feed everyone. http://www.verticalfarm.com/

elimination of war.

Establishment of a global democracy to replace the UN in theory would eventually lead to this, though I would guess we would still have civil war fight and it would take 100 years. Green power would remove the need to battle for many resources (all wars are for resources) the big concern for the next generation will be drinking wader.

homelessness

Spend a trillion dollars to convert some land into a City for the Homeless in the US. Possibly out west in like Nebraska. or just start giving away abandon property if a bank cannot fill the home in a reasonable amount of time. Evolve to the concept that you have a right to property and that the government and banks cannot remove you from your home, the can garnish wages to pay off debts but thats it.

cure for cancer

I am no scientist but we can cure a bunch of types already.

Give me something harder.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

wow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Ya Biden is also a hardline right winger on drug issues.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Alex, I thought you were a right leaning individual but you sound like a left wing weed smoking socialist.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"harmless offenders"

Kind of an oxymoron, don't you think....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 2, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I am what is called a Radically Moderate Socialist Libertarian. Somewhere between Ghandi, Nader and MLKJ on a typical global political spectrum.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

beep beep all. new topics.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Give me something harder.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse
Do you have a cure for jealousy?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 2, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

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