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The Offense at the Bye

From Barry Svrluga:

When Jim Zorn was first hired by the Redskins, it was as an offensive coordinator, and whether he was named head coach or not, Washington would have transitioned from Al Saunders's timing-based scheme to some version of the West Coast offense. During training camp and after the season-opening loss to the Giants, both the coach and players warned that such a transition was likely to be bumpy.

Nine weeks in, the results are decidedly mixed -- but likely better than the preseason and that loss to the Giants would have indicated.

The Redskins average 348.3 yards per game, ranked 10th in the NFL. There are two somewhat stunning parts to this equation.

The first is how effectively -- and how often -- they have run the ball. Clinton Portis leads the NFL with 995 yards, an average of 110.6 yards per game, and an impressive 5.0 yards per carry. No one carries the ball more than Portis's 22.2 attempts per game. That all helps the Redskins rank fifth in the league in rushing yards per game. Throw in Portis with the passing game (he has 18 receptions for 150 yards), and no other player in the league is within 200 yards of his league-leading total of 1,145 yards from scrimmage. A major reason for all this, players said: The veteran offensive line of Chris Samuels, Pete Kendall, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen has been healthy -- save for Samuels's one-game absence because of a knee problem.

Second is the efficiency of quarterback Jason Campbell. In 20 career starts coming into the 2008 season, Campbell had a 77.3 passer rating with 22 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. Now, he ranks seventh in the NFL with a 92.4 rating, eight touchdowns and two interceptions (both Monday night against Pittsburgh, one off of Portis's hands). Among those ranked behind Campbell in efficiency more than halfway through the Redskins' season: Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, Brett Favre, Jay Cutler, David Garrard, Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger.

So if the running game is better than expected, and the quarterback is better than expected, shouldn't this be a juggernaut?

It's not. The Redskins rank just 25th in the league in points per game (19.0). They have not yet scored 30 points in a game. Only three other teams can say that: Oakland, Detroit and Cincinnati. They have combined for three wins.

"As an offense, I think we still got a lot to improve on, especially being consistent," Thomas said. "We showed signs here and there, and then we showed signs of nothing."

There are a couple of reasons. There are the well-documented struggles in the red zone. The Redskins have had the ball inside the opponents' 20 30 times and have scored 14 touchdowns; that percentage (46.7) ranks 22nd in the NFL.

Part of the problem here might be personnel. The receiving target perhaps best-suited for the shortened field situations, tight end Chris Cooley, has just one touchdown reception, and it came from receiver Antwaan Randle El, not Campbell. Five of Campbell's eight touchdown passes have gone to Santana Moss; none of those have been inside the 10.

So one area to watch over the final seven games is whether one of the bigger rookie receivers -- Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly -- is able to consistently get on the field and help in such situations. The pair of second-round picks have combined for nine catches (eight for Thomas). Kelly has battled a knee problem, and though Zorn said he was improving, the team will decide shortly after the bye week whether it needs to put him on injured reserve, ending his season and leaving the Redskins still looking for a larger, tougher target that could help near the goal-line.

The issues, then, are plenty. Can Portis and the line keep up this pace? Will Zorn, predisposed to wanting to pass, continue to run as if he's Joe Gibbs? Will Moss's hamstring issues heal enough for him to remain effective? Will Campbell continue his careful-with-the-ball ways? Will another receiving threat emerge? And can the Redskins score more consistently when presented the opportunity?

The answers could determine not only how the offense develops, but how good the Redskins are over the final seven weeks.

By Cindy Boren  |  November 6, 2008; 2:00 PM ET
 
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CP26 FIRST in pro bowl balloting. YES WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Stu27 | November 6, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

here's something crazy:
with the red zone struggles, combined with the rookie struggles, why not limit their play time to the redzone only?? simplify their assignments, but utilize their physical skills. use randle el and moss (2 WR sets) up to the redzone or 3rd and short. then expand to 3 WR or 4 WR. last and not least, get THRASH OFF THE FIELD!! he's terrible!!!

Posted by: tbarz1 | November 6, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

With Thrash in the lineup, it's like playing 10 on 11!!! 7 rec's for 69 yards??? and he's in at least 80% of the plays!!! unbelieveable. it's truly amazing that they're not 32nd in the league in passing.

Posted by: tbarz1 | November 6, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Thrash did have a nice TD catch against PHI. But I'm ready for the transition to Thomas to begin.

I had one thought about Portis and the Steelers to throw out there... it seems like going into the game, Zorn may have worried about overusing Portis -- because Jasno's right that we didn't stick with the run long enough. I wonder if it was the combination of trying to manage Portis' carries, and then needing him to stay on the field and block in the second half (because that's not how Alexander rolls, and I'd have to give Rock at least one "-1" in postgameheroes-speak for missing at least one huge block (Farrior, when he and Woodley created a JC Sandwich)).
It could just as easily be that Zorn felt like he needed to change his style to keep the Steelers guessing, but it felt to me like it was more focused on Portis. And when he hobbled off after Polamalu got his leg, I can't say that I would blame him.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

4th -- you said it was Zorny... do you recall when that was?

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 2:16 PM

The Jim Zorn Show on TheSportsReporters this past Tuesday............

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 6, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

What a long way we have come. I remeber last year all we could talk about is we cant score over 20 points a game and if we score 21 or more we will win, now we need to score 30 or more. I am not saying that we dont need more red zone efficency but everyear it is something new.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 6, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Cindy, this is great stuff from Loogs.

Hope this all gets ironed out by the Dallas game. The play calling, the injuries, the WR depth, the execution, getting back to power running... yeah, you heard me, I want it ALL fixed in two weeks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

So far, this team is averaging 1 point per game better the Gibbs.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 6, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey there....you're right about Dallas only practicing a couple of times this week and that was to get Romo work with the new splint on his pinkie finger.
The black-and-white sports section is a killer, I agree, but it's only one of many countless things (well, okay, one) sports did in order to enhance the Post's coverage of this historic election. :)

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 6, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

thanks, 4th, I'll go back to their archive... I heard most of the show, but missed the beginning so I know where to look. And through the miracle of Tivo, I will see what Thomas was doing.
I'm no Jim Zorn, but I thought the ol' Mk.1 Eyeballs were working!

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Thrash is a good blocker on running plays...

I'd like to know what's up with the 2nd and 3rd options on the passing plays? How come we're not getting the ball to ARE and Cooley more? Campbell appears to throw the ball almost exclusively to Moss, with the occasional check down to a RB.

Posted by: siris | November 6, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Thomas is a very good blocker ... at least on some of the pass plays.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Hope this all gets ironed out by the Dallas game. The play calling, the injuries, the WR depth, the execution, getting back to power running... yeah, you heard me, I want it ALL fixed in two weeks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 2:32 PM

Also, I have a promiscuous cat. I want him fixed by the Dallas game too.

I was reading the published reports about Romo and it said a splint on his HAND, not his finger. Do we know for realsies that the broken bone was in his finger (phalange) rather than the next part down in his hand (metatarsal?).

Posted by: dcsween | November 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

siris, "Campbell appears to throw the ball almost exclusively to Moss, with the occasional check down to a RB"

couldn't agree with you more on this, which is why I was pushing for the team to throw the ball to Davis/Thomas, make the other team accountable for these guys, it will loosen up the coverage on Moss.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 6, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Why do they call it "fixed" when it is sooo obviously "broken"?

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If it's the metatarsal, he's in trouble. I broke that in my pinky (punching a wall...idiot!) and my hand wasn't right for months. Couldn't properly grip or throw a ball for at least 6 months. This isn't a good injury for a QB. Even if he plays, it could be broken again...it's not a strong bone. I think the only reason he's pushing to play is because Jerry has put the entire season on his shoulders. Now let's collectively watch him crumble under the weight and hopefully if there are 30,000 Cowgirls fans, they can all go home crying at their lost season.

Posted by: redpitbull98 | November 6, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"siris, "Campbell appears to throw the ball almost exclusively to Moss, with the occasional check down to a RB""

"couldn't agree with you more on this, which is why I was pushing for the team to throw the ball to Davis/Thomas, make the other team accountable for these guys, it will loosen up the coverage on Moss."

Moss has 44 catches
Cooley has 48 catches
Randle El has 36 catches

Capmbell throws the ball to whoever is open. He rarely forces the ball to anyone. That's why it took him so long to throw an INT. More balls will go Thomas and Davis' way if they can actually make themselves available on the field (ie get open). They've had more than enough opportunity so far (at least Thomas has), so it's not up to Zorn or Campbell to get them involved, it's up to themselves.

Posted by: psps23 | November 6, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The issues, then, are plenty.

After reading these post one would think we are just an awful team. Can someone tell my what our record is?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 6, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE's excellent call:

2 years ago, I (aka Alan in San Jose) called into a local radio show and spoke with the guest (for a minute or so), Barack Obama. The station will replay it on Friday (11/7) at 11am-12noon, PST. It will be online at http://www.kgoradio.com/

I think I come up about 15-20 minutes into the show. My opening comment? Something like: "Its good to be talking to the next president"


Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I too think that Thomas needs to be integrated more into the offense. He runs a 4.40 40 and he's bigger and stronger than any of the starters. With all the rookies getting involved around the NFL, I don't see why we can't get him involved. Start with some screens, slants and ins to get him in the flow. Zorn's no-fear attitude needs to carry over to his use of personnel.

Thrash should NOT be the 3rd string WR, he's infinately more valuable as a gunner on punts. Who else remembers how many punts he has downed inside the 10 the past couple of years...

Posted by: asinger_2005 | November 6, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I think we need more information about the 2nd round rookies. I really haven't heard much about them from this blog at all since the season started.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 6, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

They are a good, solid team with a transitioning offense and very good defense. They know who they are and they have to stick to it. They have made some untimely errors and a few silly turnovers (or lack thereof...sorry 22!) that have kept them from being 7-2 or 8-1. It's a tough, veteran team than can finish 11-5 and grab a wild card home game and then scare the crap out of the other NFC contenders. They're built for the playoffs with a tough running game and a hard nosed, attacking defense. But I think they are still at least another season away from really fulfilling their destiny. But we should all be elated at 6-3 and being in the middle of the hunt.

Posted by: redpitbull98 | November 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Where are the usual suspects today?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"Where are the usual suspects today?

Posted by: RedDMV "


Maybe stuck at the Department of Motor Vehicles because you won't do your **** job and make them a new license instead of blogging all day, loser.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"The issues, then, are plenty."

----


Really?! Sounds like only one problem....scoring in the red zone, which is often the last hurdle of a developing offense.

Your such a drama queen, JLC!

Posted by: filmchis | November 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

After reading these post one would think we are just an awful team. Can someone tell my what our record is?

JM220

I can tell you that, as an offense, we rank 25th in the league in points per game. I can also tell you that, as a team, we rank 31st in the league in ppg/ypg ratio. I can also tell you that in our 3 losses, we let up 16, 19, and 23 points respectively (not exactly being blown out because of our defensive effort). The three items listed above tell me that despite our respectable "10th" offensive ranking, we have SIGNIFICANT issues on offense.

Posted by: psps23 | November 6, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The low score and high yards gained are not mutually exclusive. The big issue is that we rarely have a short field. We get few turnovers and our punt returns have been weak (with one exception). This means most scoring drives are long. Plus, we've had several games where we ran out the clock with a long slow possession, instead of throwing aggressively for moe points.

Finally, we've had, by my count 5-6 TDs taken away by the refs. Moss and ARE each had a catch where they weren't touched but the refs stopped the play. Thomas caught a long TD that was called back and we had 2 on the same series vs dal called back. And I'm sure I'm forgetting one

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

psps23 I see you didn't read the question. The answer is 6-3. Now you and JLC can get all caught up in where we rank but at the end of the game that matters is the score board. I take 6-3 anytime anywhere over being high in ranks and have a worse record than we do which many of teams do.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 6, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

With an over achieving line that we have we still got to the Pitt QB 5 times. Just think what the count would have been if we had a DL like Philly & Dallas.

I say in the upcoming draft the first four picks should be 1. DE, 2. OL, 3. OL and 4 DE or DB.

Posted by: rillbizi | November 6, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE's excellent call:

2 years ago, I (aka Alan in San Jose) called into a local radio show and spoke with the guest (for a minute or so), Barack Obama. The station will replay it on Friday (11/7) at 11am-12noon, PST. It will be online at http://www.kgoradio.com/

I think I come up about 15-20 minutes into the show. My opening comment? Something like: "Its good to be talking to the next president"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

No one friggin cares about you or what phone call you made. Seriously. Go away. Forever.

Posted by: Cobain | November 6, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"No one friggin cares about you or what phone call you made. Seriously. Go away. Forever.


Posted by: Cobain"

^^ I agree.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Jla mentions the good and the Bad. They are facts. Relax

Posted by: Zeebs | November 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Really?! Sounds like only one problem....scoring in the red zone, which is often the last hurdle of a developing offense.

Your such a drama queen, JLC!

Posted by: filmchis | November 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The only problem with this is that this post wasn't done by JLC, it was form Barry S.


Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe stuck at the Department of Motor Vehicles because you won't do your **** job and make them a new license instead of blogging all day, loser.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 6, 2008 3:16 PM"

Truth, go F your mother.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

JM220 - Well, clearly you're satisfied with being 6-3 and losing the games that we did in the manner we did.

I personally think this team's ceiling is arguably the highest in the league the way it's composed right now -- maybe outside of a completely healthy Patriots team. As such, I believe the team is underachieving, not overachieving as you seem to infer with your insistence that everything is gravy due to our 6-3 record.

There's absolutely no acceptable reason for a team with elite players at nearly every offensive position to be putting up such low point totals. There are errors with this team, whether you want to see them or not.

Posted by: psps23 | November 6, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Elite? As in "#1 or #2 in the league"? Or as in "somewhere in the top 32"?

Portis is elite. Moss is top five or so. I like our offense, but elite?

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Elite as in between top-5 and top-10 in the league, depending on position. Elite as in on any given day, they can burn you badly. Portis, Moss, Cooley, Campbell, Samuels, Thomas all fall into that category (in fact, offensive line as a unit is in there). Just my opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | November 6, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that 'Elite'. I thought he meant they aren't 'fair and balanced' players.

Yeah, I should step away from work every now and then.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 6, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

And I didn't say our offense is elite. I said our offense could be elite. Our offense should be elite. With the talent we have, there's no reason that any defense should be able to manhandle us the way Pitt and the Giants did in the first half of the season.

Posted by: psps23 | November 6, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Why is it not ok to critique the team? It's called analysis and it's backed up with statistics. There are smatterings of praise in there for the D and Portis as well as Campbell.

Give credit where credit is due and accept criticism where it's warranted.

Some of you remind me of people in bad relationships who just talk and talk talk about how crappy their relationship is. Just stop reading the posts already and just read the comments. The broken record stuff is tired.

Posted by: Gweez | November 6, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Eventually he has to let these rookies learn on the job. They're not going to learn squat sitting on the sidelines. Also, they really need to get some production out of these guys. They've been with the team since April for chrissake. Its not like they don't have any familiarity with the offense. Get them out there, let them make their mistakes and learn from them and then contribute.

Posted by: trezmartin | November 6, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The thing psps23 is that you don't seem to allow for is the fact that his is STILL a new offense. Half a season isn't enough to MASTER this offense. The fact that Zorn has gotten this offense to this level is remarkable already.

It's a new offense for the whole team, keep that in mind while you contemplate their issues, which they do have.

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

That's why they picked three pass catchers in the draft. Hopefully one of them will start to get the hang of it in the NFL.

It may only be one of them that amounts to anything. Or it may even be none.

Our pass protection is only so-so too.

But having said all that negative stuff...it's bye week and this is much better than I thought they would do after last year.

hail.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 6, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree with PSP, I am not being down on them, it is a new offense. But we have seen what they could be, what they should become... and i want it sooner rather than later.

I dont think Barry was dumping on the team. It was a fair assessment.

Look, if we sucked the talking heads would just say "Hey, what do you expect, they suck"... but they see the potential as well.

JM, we are all happy with 6-3, but you can allow yourself to not be satisfied.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 6, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Really?! Sounds like only one problem....scoring in the red zone, which is often the last hurdle of a developing offense.

Your such a drama queen, JLC!

Posted by: filmchis | November 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I tend to agree, although this was posted by Svrlga or whatever, such as, not JLC.

I went back and looked at the team defense stats for each team we have played. Skins offensive yards for each game have exceeded the average yards per game for each team we have played except for the Gints, Lambs and Stillers, which by the way are our 3 losses.

Even more impressive, Skins rushing yards in each game exceeded that teams average yards rushing/game for all our games except Detroit and Stillers. We equalled the average yd/game for the Gints, and exceeded every other team.

This is a further example that the players have been worn down and need a week of rest.

Let me also point out that the coaches could not do all the analysis they need to do if they were running practices also.

So our offense is moving the ball. Now we have to figure out what will work in the red zone, so our scoring can be as good as our rushing offense.

One other aside. Going hand in hand with rushing yardage is time-of-possession. I do not have stats for it, but what this does is allow our defense to get rested during games. And this is vital for being fresh in the 4th Q.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 6, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorta happy with where the offense is. I think it should be better - Zorn should have adjusted better in the Pitt game. However, keeping in mind this is a new offense, I can't say I'm disappointed or unsatisfied right now. If they continue playing this way, then I will definitely be disappointed. The bye week is necessary to get everyone healthy again, and get some remedial instruction to Thomas and Davis. Hopefully, Kelly will also start participating, opening up new arenas for this offense.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 6, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Hall is now a free agent, says Giants, Redskins, Cowboys are all on his wish list.

He cleared waivers today.

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

No thanks.

Headcase, as well as over-rated. He's been TORCHED all year long.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 6, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The day after we hoist the Lombardi is the day we can suspend critical analysis. Until then we should keep it up. And we will resume it a few days later.

Critical analysis... it's our birthright as fans.

And we should LOVE critical analysis when it comes from people who watch the team a hell of a lot more closely than we are able to from the outside. Disagreeing with it is also our right, but disregarding it would be silly. As silly as anything else we do as fans, I mean.

Hail to them, and hail to us.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the reason I'm so critical of the offense is because I think this offense has the potential to be even greater than the Gibbs 1.0's offenses. JC is the most talented QB this team has had since a healthy Theisman. Moss, talent-wise, is the best playmaker this team's had since Bobby Mitchell (remember, I said talent-wise). Portis is the best RB this team's had since Riggo. Cooley may go down as the franchise's greatest TE ever. No, we don't have the Hogs, but our o-line is no slouch unit. I truly think that with a few tweaks here and there, and with some improvements in significant areas (like the Red Zone), we could have the most well-rounded, complete, dominant offense in the league. I sincerely believe that.

And as great as our defense has played this year, I feel like our offense's potential is much, much higher. I also feel like how far this team goes this year hinges on the offensive production. Therefore, I am not satisfied with what I've seen so far (or at least I'm not settling for simply more of the same as the year goes on).

Posted by: psps23 | November 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The telling stat to me is that the Skins Points For/Points Against is +3. That's pretty astounding for a 6-3 record with no real blow outs in wins or losses.

Posted by: hz9604 | November 6, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

A big part of the offense that is missing is the throws to the RBs. Not sure whether its just not been put in or something else. Portis got as many receiving yards in the last game as he did in the prior 8.

The WCO, which this isn't really, used that a lot. SF had a back that led the league in receptions (Roger Craig -- one more than Art Monk in 1985) and another, Ricky Watters, that caught 3 TDs in a Super Bowl.

Thats an aspect of this offense that we haven't seen ... but I think will be really helpful if it gets implemented

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

we need to score more points because if we dont the terrorists win.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 6, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

is hall overrated?...for 70 million dollar contract, probowl, and no. 1 corner spot....sure he's way overrated...but get out of where the sun dont shine...and realize he would be great as a 3rd or 4th corner, and i believe he has punt return experience too...even if he doesnt for the right price i think he could be a good addition...

Posted by: jasonma1 | November 6, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I think that zorn needs to work on his play calling, or turn it over to his offensive coordinator. I think when he gets in the red zorn, there is to much creativity going on. When they get inside the ten, then there its the same thing, run,run,pass on third,incomplete pass, field goal attempt. The west coast offense is also crap. Once pittsburgh took away portis, those five to seven yard pass routes were inaffective.They keyed on that crap all night. will somebody please tell me the last team to win a superbowl running that west coast mess,maybe greenbay in 97". It does not work in todays nfl. the best west coast team I see in the nfl is philly.andy reid has fine tuned it with a down the field passing game. zorn hardly ever looks to throw the ball down the field. he has taken away one of campbell's strengths.Rich milot said two weeks ago on the tony mcgee show, and emmit smith said it on espn post game monday night, need more down the field and deep ball passing. I think zorn wants to get all the credit when things go good, and none of the blame when it goes bad. bad play calling and poor clock management and always exuses in post game conference when there not executing.Its fine if he has disigned the playbook, but let the eye in the sky call the plays.

Posted by: TBr3207723 | November 6, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

baby larry entered the world today at 12 55! Welcome our newest skins fan, Amelia!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 6, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Congrats CL

Posted by: RambleOn | November 6, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

chRIs LaRrY! Way to go dude!!!!

First rule of Fatherhood: When Mommy is happy, everyone is happy. When Daddy is happy, no one cares.

Tell your wife congrats from me too ... in about 18 months when she recovers from what, by then, will be a crushing sleep deficit. Even without the sleep deficit, that's around the time when the "division of labor" in the household becomes bilateral again. Till then, tend to your hunting and gathering (and bill paying and laundry and house cleaning and maps, such as).

Finally, great name!

Back to RI, you guys are all over the board today! Its Thursday. Isn't Thursday exclusively reserved for chatter about the next draft?

Posted by: dcsween | November 6, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

When they get inside the ten, then there its the same thing, run, run, pass on third, incomplete pass, field goal attempt. The west coast offense is also crap. Once Pittsburgh took away Portis, those five to seven yard pass routes were ineffective. They keyed on that crap all night. ...

Posted by: TBr3207723 | November 6, 2008 5:17 PM

This part, I agree with. They need a complete different sequence in the red Zone. Nothing feels so Gibbsian to me as the current Skins in the red zone. SOMETHING has to change ... maybe supersize the Jumbo Package ... insert tackle eligible, three tight ends, Sellers, and Portis, [did I just get a 12 man penalty?] and do tons of different things off THAT package ... but gush damb et, get the ball in the end zone!

Posted by: dcsween | November 6, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Congrats cL!

Welcome to the first day of the rest of your life.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

So blatantly obvious, Skins need to go downfield more. O=line is insufficient in obvious passing situations, Campbell only has enough time to throw down low and not set up to jack it too often. So maybe should throw longball more on first down, second and short. This stretches the d's back seven to open up Portis obviously. But Zorn even admitted, he has not left enough blockers back to protect JC in event of jailbreak, like MNF. Put an extra lineman or two on the edges or in the backfield, I say, in the event of Steeler/Giant style hellstorm..

Posted by: frak | November 6, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Congrats CL! Awesome that everyone's healthy!

Hall would be a fine 4th corner, and could take over punt returns, now that he's free, he wouldn't require a big contract. And according to this:

Hall said he wants to sign with a team once he clears waivers and would be willing to accept a deal for the rest of the season and become a free agent in February.

He doesn't expect a big contract now, so why not? If Zorn and Blache think they can get something out of him, I say take a shot. Cut S. Alexander, and bring him in!

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

CSN just reported that the Skins HAVE contacted Deangelo Hall and that something could be done by tomorrow (or not). Most likely would just be to finish out the year - no long term contract.

Congrats, ChrisLarry!

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 6, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Here's what PFT has posted:

NO DECISION EXPECTED TONIGHT BY HALL
Posted by Mike Florio on November 6, 2008, 6:19 p.m. EST

As we hear it, several teams are actively pursuing cornerback DeAngelo Hall, now that he has cleared waivers and become an unrestricted free agent.

We’re told that Hall is talking to several teams, including high-level folks with more than one franchise. One source characterized it as a “frenzy” of activity.

Adam Schefter reports that the Giants, Redskins, Steelers, and Patriots are interested.

As we hear it, the Giants are out, but the Saints are in.

Hall is looking for the “best situation” for him. The factors that will drive this determination aren’t known.

Our guess is that it will be hard for him to get much more than the prorated league minimum salary, but if he can spark a bidding war, he might be able to squeeze out something better than that.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

CL,
That's the greatest!
Just wow.

Hail Amelia! HAIL!

(sleep when they sleep)

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 6, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I definitely think the playcalling & audibleing have something to do with our Red Zone efficacy.

We seem to be more creative when we're short of the Red zone. Less pressure & more perceived time to think.

I hope that will develop as we play on. Cant' count on it, though.

Maybe we need to think of the 30 as our Red Zone - certainly more room to be creative there...


I don't want DeAngelo Hall

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 6, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with showing that two TE set.
Sending Moss on the Post. Have one of the TEs, break loose as a safety valve.

Could we play Heyer and Jansen? Since Heyer seems to protect a little better. Or is integrity of the team work on the OL too important?

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 6, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 6, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

We need to pick up a veteran WR like Caldwell and McCardell last year...the drafts picks are useless. a veteran with sure hands to get us in the end zone

Posted by: aintlifegrand | November 7, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Why is Todd Big But Can't Block playing more than the kid from SC? Agree that Thrash, a great special teamer, should relinquih the 3rd spot for someone else, but that would be the healthy rookie that still can't run a correct route. Get Kelly on IR and let's move forward Z. can't figure what you're waiting for.

Soupy, get rid of the happy feet, hit the down field receiver, and Go Skins.

Posted by: bertoxterp | November 7, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

some of theses posts are incredible -- detailed personnel strategy, rationale, justification --- what, do you nitwits think --- Zorn reviews this blog before he develops his game plans?

Posted by: bestmick1 | November 7, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

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