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You Be the GM

A lot of the draft/trade stuff with the Skins will probably go right down to the wire next weekend, but it's clear they are looking at three options (in no particular order):

A - Trade Up (which would be undoubtedly to get Calvin Johnson and almost certainly no one else).

B - Stay at 6 and pick (likely Landry, Okoye or perhaps a DE).

C - Trade Down and grab a second and/or third round pick in the process.

In the end much of this will be out of their control becasue it takes two to tango. Now, if I'm running the show I am exhausting all options on C right now, 'cause to me it makes the most sense. There is enough D Line depth to still get a good player (some teams like guys like Carriker more than Anderson, Adams or Branch, anyway) in the mid teens, and also enhance depth with the additional picks you gather in the trade. Might be hard to execute, but by golly I think it's worth the effort to try to make it happen.

So, what do you guys think? And, this is a two-parter. What would YOU do and what do you think THEY will do?

Rumblings: I continue to hear that LaVar Arrington is going to hang it up from multiple sources and have been trying to get his agent on the phone the last few days to confirm. I'll let you guys know what I hear if/when I get any sort of denial or confirmation ... Someone suggested checking out The Riverboat Gamblers a while back. FIanlyl got one of their CDs the other day and so far so good. Thanks for the heads up. Still sitting on a bunch of iTunes gift cards I got for my brirthday, but who knows when I'll get around to using them with the kids and the draft and all ... Are youy guys feeling the new season of Entourage/Sopranos? So far so good I think. Have a feeling both are leading up to some major plot twists. I would be all about an Ari/Lloyd spinoff show. Might be more interesting than the current direction.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 18, 2007; 9:59 AM ET
 
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Nate - Did you go to sleep last night? I sure can't tell....

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

They should trade down if they can.

They will do whatever makes the biggest splash, which means they are more likely then they should to try and trade up.

Posted by: Andrew rRitters | April 18, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I see us staying at the # 6 spot and taking Okoye. I think the new QB situation will take most of the ocus of the coaches and team so don't expect to see a lot of changes to the offense. This is Grilliams chance to prove to the faithful and Owner that he is the second coming. I see an improved defense with better run coverage and cross my fingers for the pass defense to step up. That will be our biggest problem this year.

Posted by: Mr Spartan | April 18, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Seems like the way to make the biggest splash would involve trading some of next year's picks. Just say NO! Also, on CJ, I want some help understanding how that happens cap-wise and roster-wise with the current stable of Moss/Randel El/Lloyd.

JLaC Q about Carriker -- I'm guessing the teams that value Carriker higher than the other guys are the teams with base 3-4 Ds. Is there any reason to think that Carriker cannot be the DUDE in the Skins' 4-3? Or would it be that those others guys have some of the other mojo that makes them better choices than Carriker if it came down to a choice was between the two?

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

The Papa Johns free topping promotion still goes on for each TD scored. After the SF Win in 2005,(52-21?),Papa had problems cooking the pizzas with seven toppings. Of course since we do not score alot at home you all probably forgot.


Posted by: DC in DC | April 18, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

ExtremeSkins, rust never sleeps!

The image of receivers with Pringles cans on their hands just made me spit out some coffee. Oh my, that is hilarious.

flipthatswitch, likewise, looking forward to hoisting back a few Rubinators when you come to Portland!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I know D-Line should be addressed in the draft, but I also think they should draft a solid OL player at some point. I'm not comfortable with the current depth chart if one or two starters go down. This is a strong year for O-lineman in the draft, so I think the Skins need to take advantage of that. In order to do that, they'll need to trade down the #6 pick and draft an OL with an early second round pick if they get one...

Posted by: CC | April 18, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The Riverboat Gamblers tip might have come from me. I saw them a couple of times, and they kick ass all over the place. Unchained punk rock out of Denton, TX, home of the Von Erich clan. (I know some of you will get that wrasslin' reference.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

C. My preference has always been trading down to mid-first round and picking up another day one choice, using the first rounder for a blue chip D lineman. But way back when I was convinced up here that such a trade was unlikely to happen.

B. Again, my preference would be for a D lineman if we exercise pick six, but I've been sold on L2 up here. But nothing cutesy here. Pick D line or L2 at 6, or I'll throw a hissy fit the likes of which hasn't been seen since... whatever.

A. No, no, noooooooooooooo

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The Pappa Johns Promotion was a free topping for each touchdown and double that if they win so the 49ers game provided 14 free toppings. A challenge to fulfill.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Insider nuggets and the worst typos in journalism history - only at Redskins Insider.

Posted by: j. Guttenberg | April 18, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Most Redskins fans would love to see them trade down and pick up what they need -- plenty of good D-line prospects in the middle/late first as well as possible defensive back help.

If they stick at #6, all is not lost: Okoye or Laron Landry would be excellent choices. I actually prefer Landry b/c I think he'll help lock down the middle of the field -- a consistent problem last season.

Posted by: Michael | April 18, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Also, J-La, the new Kings of Leon is rocking nonstop. I loved the first record and liked the second, but this newest one is killing it. Heavy jangling Southern goodness.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see them trade back and pick up more picks. If they end up with Carriker I'm happy with that. He's got great quickness for a guy his size, not to mention his ability to play DT as well. Trade back, and get a 2nd rounder, and I'm happy.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 18, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

cload, nice work following up on the Sea Devils, or Seteufels as ich like to call them. I will check out their shirts and see what concepts we might co-opt for our own purposes.

(I checked out the whole site in the local language, struggling to remember my elementary German from UVa, before realizing there's an English version. Duh.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

No way do we trade up at this point. Sounds like Calvin Johnson is going #1 or #2. I think we do end up with C, as Landry, Peterson, or Quinn will be tempting......hopefully we still get Okoye

And Sopranos is off to a good start, Entourage had 1 bad episode followed by a good one. I am tired of Vince and E.....Ari, Drama, Turtle, and Loyd are who carry the show

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

After a mostly prudent and productive off-season/free agency period this year, watching the Redskins and waiting to see what they do before the draft is like standing on a beach and watching a tsunami coming towards you.

Posted by: Rip Current | April 18, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Without trying to be Captain Obvious, I think it will depend on who is still available at six. If there is a team who desperately wants to make a move to get the besat player still available, a trade down is the best way to go.

JLaC, I agree with the Ari/Lloyd spin-off. Ari is the guy that makes that show work. As far as the Sopranos, they have nowhere to go but up from last season. If I even hear the word Johnny Cakes...I'm changing the channel

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Move up to get Calvin! He will help Jason Campbell progress into a great NFL QB. Having another big target on the outside can only help his development. Campbell loved throwing to Cooley last year because he is so big. Trade Lloyd and get Calvin!

Posted by: CP in DC | April 18, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I think they should trade down. Dream scenario: Quinn drops to sixth, trade with the Dolphins (who draft Quinn) pick up their first 2nd round pick (41 Overall). At nine, they should still be able to get Okoye (the best DT & will help keep linemen off Fletcher-Baker) who should be the pick at six even if they can't trade down (intelligent, big and still growing/improving). With the 41st overall they should be able to get a good cover saftey to play with Taylor. Imagine if someone like Reggie Nelson or Michael Griffin dropped to them; they actually catch interceptions!

Posted by: David J | April 18, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Nate, the key is to zoom in on the boo -- I mean, logo.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Calvin Johnson would be great. But whats the point of scoring 35 points when your defense gives up 40.

Work on the D

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

C. C. C. I have been beating the "Trade Down and Get More Picks" drum for the last few months. Unfortunately, my precussive talents will not be heard in Ashburn. Ideally you trade down to the middle of the first round, and pick up a defensive lineman there, then pick up another defensive lineman or offensive lineman in the second or third rounds.

Here's the thing. Vinnie and crew (including Gibbs) are not particularly adept at picking players. The truth is, by and large, most GMs and front offices aren't particularly great (there are a few exceptions, JLaC's Ravens being one) at picking players. The draft is pretty much a crap shoot; you really can't tell how these kids are going to react to the pressures (on and off the field) of the NFL game. So here's what you do. You HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAFT PICKS. You get as many as picks as you can. Because if you've got a fifty percent chance of selecting a contributing member to your team with a draft pick, it is a LOT better to have seven picks rather than two.

Posted by: DCLance | April 18, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

regarding Papa Johns pizza and their topping offering... I think we scored 6 TDs, meaning 12 toppings were offered on their pizzas.

I am with Nate, L2 or one of the stud d-lineman... I am pretty against have Gaines Adams based on his size though.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 18, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I forgot to answer the second part of the question. The Redskins will be flying Calvin Johnson to FedEx Field around 4 p.m. next Saturday to introduce him as the newest member of the WR corps.
I'd say they'll offer this entire draft and maybe a 2-4 round pick next year to the Raiders who will then turn around and pick Russell or Quinn at six.

Posted by: DCLance | April 18, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

guess I should have said we scored 6 TDs against the niners in 05.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 18, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Oh goodness, cload, how did I sleep on this one? The Sea Devils have a dance team called the Sea Pearls. And if I understand the rules, at least a few of them are allocated to the Redskins.

http://www.hamburg-seadevils.de/template_pearls_list.php4?&order1=first_name&order2=asc&table=pearls

I think I'm picking first in the supplemental draft due to my lousy record last year, so I'm picking Magdalena, a student from Danzig.

Her Lieblingsbuch is Beloved by Toni Morrison and her Lieblingsessen is Mexikanisch (which poses the question of just how good could the Mexican food be in northern Germany?).

And among her reasons for wanting to be a Sea Pearl, along with the obvious interests in dance and so forth she says "immer wieder gerne neue Erfahrungen machen." That is just cute as the dickens.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Vinny is on record as saying he "doesn't believe in drafting defensive linemen" in early rounds.

Unbelievable. He must let Danny win in racquetball every game.

Posted by: Andrew | April 18, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

DCLance -- and the Raven's superiority in picking doesn't work for offensive players? 'Cause "adequate" is not the word I would use for their O...
I think Ray Lewis makes everyone else on that D better, and they've added some good players around him that makes their D really amazing. But building around a HOF player makes every other decision a little easier, a little clearer, and a little better.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Great call on the Entourage comment. Ari/Lloyd should have their own show--it should basically be a show about Ari. The guy who plays the main character is such a horrendous actor that every scene he's in is ruined. Turtle and E are also extremely annoying. That show needs to decide what it wants to be.

Sopranos--so far so good. Tony's definitely gonna swim with the fishes, right?

Posted by: MK-ULTRA | April 18, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The local Denver radio station this morning described the Redskins as "hapless"

It seems like the Skins will be able to play without the pressure from media hype this year. That will be a change

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I've got it all worked out with the Raiders to move up to #1 and take Adrian Peterson. We plan on giving them Portis, Betts and Moss and our #6 for the pick. What a genius I am. No wonder Danny loves me.

Posted by: Vinny C | April 18, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Eagles will be the biggest challenge in the NFC East this year. One bright spot is that because of the success when McNabb was out, the fans and players might be calling for a hook early in the season if there is ANY stumbling, causing some unrest.

Cowboys: New Head Coach, Higher Expectations and pressure for Romo (who ended his season with a Playoff losing FU.) "Winged Unicorn" Owens will kill the team atmosphere...with no leader as stong as McNabb in Dallas, they are in for a rough season with him.

Giants: No star running back will mean more pressure on Eli to perform via the air. Plexico works better as a second option rather than a primary, look for them to be one dimensional--5 yard dumps and screens to Shockey. Easy to defend, last in the NFC East.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

well, now we know what Mrs. Nate looks like. ;-)

I myself had a totally different concept of what an 'Olga' looked like.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Exactly, Cheyenne. The less spotlight on us, the better.

Do you think any player will hazard a Super Bowl prediction during training camp, as happened last year and belied a deep misunderstanding of this team's capabilities?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Indigo. 6 * 7 = 42. 7 * 7 = 49.

SAN FRANCISCO AT WASHINGTON 10/23/05
SCORING SUMMARY
1ST Quarter
WASH TD Mike Sellers, 2 Yd pass from Mark Brunell (Nick Novak kick), 10:45.
WASH TD Clinton Portis, 5 Yd run (Nick Novak kick), 4:48.
2nd Quarter
WASH TD Clinton Portis, 1 Yd run (Nick Novak kick), 5:39.
WASH TD Santana Moss, 32 Yd pass from Mark Brunell (Nick Novak kick), 1:53.
WASH TD Mike Sellers, 19 Yd pass from Mark Brunell (Nick Novak kick), 0:57.
3rd Quarter
WASH TD Clinton Portis, 1 Yd run (Nick Novak kick is good), 11:04.
4th Quarter
WASH TD Rock Cartwright, 4 Yd run (Nick Novak kick is good), 9:26

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

C Is my hope and A is my fear.

I think it is possible to trade down for a 1st and 2nd (possibly more) with Denver if Gaines Adams is around, Miami if Quinn is around and GB if Peterson is around at #6.

From Todd McShay's 7 Round Mock Draft (an exercise in futility to be sure, but always fun to dream):

Amobi Okoye
DT | (6'2", 302, 5.07) | LOUISVILLE
Scouts Grade: 96
Flags: (A: AGE) Player may be older or younger than usual

5th Round
Xavier Jackson
DE | (6'2", 278, 4.92) | MISSOURI
Scouts Grade: 56
Flags: (C: CHARACTER) Problems on and off the field

6th Round
Cameron Stephenson
OG | (6'3", 306, 5.4) | RUTGERS
Scouts Grade: 48

7th Round
Reggie Lewis
CB | (5'10", 204, 4.54) | FLORIDA
Scouts Grade: 42
Flags: (Y: YOUNG PLAYER) Need more film evaluation

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | April 18, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

But if I had to choose, I'd take Julia -- 'cause she's a "dunkelblond", likes lasagne, and you could mistake me for Justin Timberlake if you lost your contact lenses while drinking Jagermeister.

Plus, I'd call her up all the time and say "Dammit, Chloe, download the coordinates of the nearest liquor store to my PDA Now!!!"

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Draft is an absolute crapshoot. Everyone loves the Ravens and Newsome, but look at their 2004 draft! Somebody must have access to this....I just remember it was terrible. The Patriots have also whiffed in recent years.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

We will not be able to trade down unless we do the Briggs deal. Just won't happen. We will stay at 6. That means we take Landry. If you are going to get another pick, it will be by signing and trading Springs or Betts. But why would you in this draft? NOt a great draft. 2004 was the most wondrous draft ever. Look at the players taken in that one. Really amazing. I know you want to build through the draft but think about all of the terrible players that don't pan out...so many. So in a weak draft, the 2nd and 3rd rounders just have less and less value.

Posted by: The Governor | April 18, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

BI think they should revive the trade w/da Bears. Get Briggs and use Bears#31 to trade for Kris Jenkins from the Panthers or draft Spencer the DE from Purdue. Playmakers on the D side make this scheme better. If the Bears insist on Rocky Mac throw him in for a 3rd. Draft a Guard with that pick. On the Lavar thing. Sign him and let him line up at DE on 3rd down on the side opposite Carter. Getting Briggs gives them a backer who can actually contain Westbrook coming out of the backfield. You've got to staff against your main competitors.

Posted by: SKINSRULE | April 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Totally agree w/MrSpartan that Philly is the team to beat this year. The success they had when McNabb went down last year, however, has since moved on to Tampa Bay. That said, McNabb will be back healthy. Oddly (in my mind), the Eagles signed a kicker other than David Akers to a 3 year contract. Maybe that means Akers is done.

With Carney canned in New Orleans, Akers looking for work after Philly, and Morten Andersen not re-signed in Atlanta, should be an OK season to find a mid-season replacement for Suisham if he falls down on the job.

Also, no preseason is complete without a punter competition. Snap up Travis Dorsch before he gets picked up elsewhere!

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

You must draft for need. Do we need Calvin Johnson, absolutely not, so eliminate option A. Draft a safety or LB at number 6, um no. Trading down to acquire more picks, where we could potentially pickup some much needed help on the D Line, absolutely yes. I would be very happy if we were able to drop in the draft and pickup extra picks.

As for Entourage, so far, I have not been that impressed. Vince isn't even the star of the show anymore. Ari is. Without Jeremy Piven staring as Ari, the show would suck. We need to see more hot women as well. The Sopranos so far has been a major disappointment. We all know what is going to happen. Tony is going to kill Christopher, and then go to jail, for that stupid gun charge. End of story, and a weak way to end one of the most popular TV shows.

Posted by: Doomsday for the Skins | April 18, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I also would like to see Lavar back in action, but I know it will never happen.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Hello Macaca Johnson,

Thanks for your kind dialog.

Preachy? I appreciate your honesty.
My reply would be along the lines that at least half I read on here is preachy where people are on here endlessly trying to persuade us to believe as they do regarding the Skins.

Folks unwaveringly insisting that our Skins:
Fire Vinny, Fire Joe, Trade Down, Should have kept Ramsey, Should have benched Brunell sooner, should trade for Briggs, Should Never trade for Briggs, Should Draft Landry, Should never draft Landry etc. etc.

You see, and thanks again for the reasonable dialog, what I find interesting is, have you noticed that people will accept adamant, forceful preaching on almost any and every subject?

However the mention of Jesus comes up and people cry "foul". I love the Skins; always have, always will. I have gotten quite upset on many Fall Sundays in the last ten years, because the Skins mean so much to me.

But about an hour after a lost game, I calm down and remind myself "what is the most important event that has happened in human history?" And that is to what I was referring on Easter weekend. It was to remind my fellow Skins fans that the Skins though we love them dearly, are not all there is in life, nor are they the most important thing in your life. Yet, I fall into believing it is at times too, and my actions reveal it on those Fall Sundays.

Hope that helps clarify from where I was coming too.

Yes, you are correct about VTech; it is tragic. And honestly, it should cause us to again realize some things in life far transcend our beloved Skins.

It should also cause us to ask deep reflective questions not about Campus Security, or how quick the police responded, or how the VTech Administration responded. This goes much deeper to the hearts and minds of people that premeditate such evil, hateful, violent acts.

You said it so well, but we are more comfortable talking about trivial subjects like who the Skins will draft. And you know what, I think about it every day, and will keep reading this blog, because as you said, I love the trivial, and need to be challenged to study the difficult questions in life.

Thanks alot, Macaca!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 18, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

This is not a good draft for O Linemen. There is lots of mediocre or worse fodder. Using the word "talent" would be ludicrous.

Drafting a 7th round guard for a running team who only runs a 5.4 is a waste of a pick. You might as well give away the pick and save the signing bonus.

Posted by: Company B | April 18, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Tony Soprano will not go to jail. He will either die (the show has written in some obvious health problems after the shooting) or Chris will kill him.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Mrspartan,

I stand corrected... wow that was a crazy game, I thought we scored 45... 6 Tds and a FG.
14 toppings, that pizza must have been crazy!!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 18, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Doomsday, other than the upgrade at QB, the exit at LG, and another season added to Griffin and Daniels, the Skins are the SAME team that they were at the beginning of last season (i.e., when Brunell jinxed everything by talking about "disappointment" if not making the Super Bowl).

Other than a clear starter named at LG, the post-season change that has not been addressed was Ryan Clark's replacement, Archuleta. Safety is absolutely a position of need. Unlike LG, where there are former starters on the roster to compete for the job, there are no former starter safeties to compete at SS (except maybe Stoutmire with his one year contract?). Drafting a safety at #6 is a fine idea, just like it is to draft someone to compete with Cornelius at DT or Daniels at DE.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The Titans or Pats should be the Skins' dance partners for any draft day trade scenarios so obviously I support trading down.

There's a better than average chance RB Adrian Peterson will be on the board when they draft so dangle him to the Titans (they lost T. Henry to Denver) for their 2nd, 4th & 5th picks.

With the 19th pick from Tennessee they could still grab Jamaal Anderson, Dwayne Bowe, Jarvis Moss or even Reggie Nelson - all 4 would probably be immediate starters. With the Titans 2nd round pick the Skins could scoop up a talented but underachieving Marcus McCauley which would allow them to cut Springs and his $9 million salary or draft L. Woodley out of Michigan, another potential starter to the D-Line.

Dealing with New England for #24 & #28 would almost certainly allow the Skins to grab Ben Grubb the best o-lineman in this years draft.

Posted by: McNubian | April 18, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Even in a playoff year that SF game was a mirage. Our offense was, ah, not anywhere near as good as it looked that game against JV squad, and as I recall it only got worse as the season progressed, with the nadir being that awful, awful game in Seattle.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see them trade down a couple spots, pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and still get whomever's available from Anderson, Branch, Okoye, Landry, Willis. Maybe get an OL, LB, or safety (if they don't get L2) with the extra pick.

If they stay at 6 then Okoye, Anderson, or Landry would be my choice in that order.

While getting CJ would be exciting for the offense, they've got too many holes to fill to throw away picks.

Posted by: skinswest | April 18, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

What killed that season more than anything was Randy Thomas getting hurt. I'm still mad that Ladell ran right into Thomas's leg. Then when Ray Brown went down and Raymer had to play guard against Seatle. Then I knew it was over.

Posted by: the don | April 18, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Jason--

What happened to the trade with Chicago for Briggs? Is that officially dead, or is it just sleeping?

Posted by: KK | April 18, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

DCsween - From last post, I just saw the new cheerleader roster. Very solid! I love the abundance of rookies on the squad. Nicole, the science teacher, excellent addition...

Posted by: CC | April 18, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I would pick C.....Here is how icould see it going down....

Trade down to atlanta who is in the 8th spot overall. if they think we will pick Okoye and I think the skins are dropping the name to put out that impression then Atlanta might make a move to aquire him. we could rightfully and probably get a high second round draft pick with the trade. Atlanta's nerw coach was Okoye's coach in college for four years and he knows the kid. They have an extra 2nd rounder(Houston's) from the Matt Schaub trade.
If we do that deal and at the 8th spot Laron Landry is still there( and might still be) we could take him and get a good DT in the second round (Tank Tyler-NCSU maybe) if he isnt then we could go Branch, Anderson, ect. Anderson is a beast at the DE and Branch is as wide as a Semi. in the second round we could get that FS from Florida or a Guard, or there will be some good Linebackers. we have depth needs in several area and we could get a guy who could be a starter by next year. with our late picks we find good projects, specila teamers and small school gems. David Clowney from VT at WR wouldnt be bad at round 5 or 6.

Posted by: phatskins27 | April 18, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

BTW, Alan Branch is going to be tight now. The dude is angry. He will be the NFL's version of Charlie Villanueva. A dude that is hyped in the beginning, then gets pooped on, and then comes out on fire to prove people wrong. The dude has enourmous thighs. Of all the DEs and DTs, he is the most ready to play this year. I would not take him at 6 but if we drop down, not an awful option.

Posted by: The Governor | April 18, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Ravens 2004 draft class:

Kyle Boller (pick traded for 2003 no. 1), Dwan Edwards, Brian Rimpf, Devard Darling and Clarence Moore.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

McNubian, though the Titans have a desperate need at RB, esp. for someone like Peterson, they have a more desperate need for a starter CB who is also a return man. There was an article a day or so ago in the Tennessee paper with Titan players saying that people underestimate how devastating it will be for the Titans' D to lose Pacman -- i.e., same as the effect on the O if they lost Vince Young. In the first round, Titans will want a CB with a return game, like Darielle Revis (sp?) or Aaron Ross.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Trade down and say hell no to trading up.

Posted by: jm220 | April 18, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

phatskins27, if the Skins don't take Landry at #6, then the Vikings will take him at #7. Landry won't make it to #8. If the Skins trade down, it means they are prepared not to get Landry.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

how about trading next years first and second rounder to get a top ten this year and draft landry and okoye

Posted by: arizona redskin fan | April 18, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

This morning Ozzie Newsome said that the Ravens are likely to pick a QB in the first round. The Ravens don't need to do disinformation. That said, he didn't say whether it would be Stanton, Kolb, or that Stanford kid.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Getting Calvin Johnson would involve a deal with the Lions. The Raiders will take JaMarcus Russell. But, they will let everyone sweat it out and field a lot of trade scenarios until they decline or make a deal with Detroit so that Detroit can fleece the Skins. You can bet that Snyder has something going on with 'em for that second pick. I doubt Detroit will take another receiver that highly and would be glad to deal. I am betting Snyder gives away the farm + S.Springs for #2 pick. Perhaps next years no.1. And the way the Redskins have been playing the last several years, it's probably going to be a high #1 too. What reason has Snyder given us that it would be any different this time? Matt Millen is smiling.

Posted by: jb | April 18, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Governor, I hear you about Branch becoming hungry based on the slide. Some guys get the lucky breaks, others not. Think about Troy Smith. How is it that you can win a Heisman and no one even talks about you b/c you're only 6' tall and not named Drew Brees?

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I can let you in on a few inside secrets.

1. We're working on a trade to send Extremeskins to the Lions for a conditional 7th round pick, and a ham sandwich

2. We're going to let Chris Cooley go, because we want to make Jeremy Stevens the highest paid tightend of all time.

3. We will no be upgrading the big screens at FedEx. Actually, we're putting in smaller black and white ones.....and selling the rest for ad space.

4. Lavar will retire, after signing a 1-day 100mil contract.

Posted by: Andyman | April 18, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

So if Kyle Boller is the answer, what was the question?

Gov'nor, You hit the nail on the head about Branch -- I don't know if he's a slacker, or angry, or whatever, but I do know that his job is the simplest to explain ("just kill everything coming your way, we'll get to chapter 2 later"), and I want to win now, baby. The NFC East is ripe for the taking!

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

What I would try and do:
Hope that Quinn falls, and try and trade to the 'Fins (leapfrogging the 'Vikes). By the draft value chart, it would take:
#6 pick: 1600
#9 pick: 1350
Difference: 250

3rd round pick (#71), 6th Round (205), and 7th round (219) = 235 + 10.4 + 4.8 = 250.2

Since the dolphins have two #2s, might they be willing?

Perhaps less likely, if Peterson is available, try and trade to the Bills.

Having accomplished this, I might try to trade down again, with someone like New England, or someone else w/multiple picks on the first day (TB, Buffalo).

However, if I had the Fins #10, I would try and get, in order: Anderson, Landry, Okoye, Willis.

With the third round pick, I'd target a DE or DT.

IF, instead, no one is willing to deal, I'd follow this board:
1. Peterson
2. Thomas
3. Adams
4. Landry
5. Okoye
(Obviously, Russell & Johnson are gone)

If I got Peterson, I would shop Portis to the Bills (yes, over Betts) for hopefully a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

What will they actually do?
I actually think they'll follow the above strategy, except they would not draft Peterson or Thomas.

Posted by: Cap Hill | April 18, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Why in the world would a Denver radio station be dissing the Skins? After all, the Broncos have made some boneheaded moves and were nothing to write home about last season - better than us, yes but still nowhere close to a Super Bowl contender.

Posted by: Lisa | April 18, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Looking for some advice..

I got an e-mail from Skins HQ about getting off the waitlist and getting season tickets. Many of you may have probably gotten the same email. It said I may be able to get tickets (up to 6) but I need to put down a $50 spot for each ticket as a deposit. If I get offered the tickets, my deposit goes to the ticket price but if I decline for whatever reason, I forfeit my deposit.

If I don't end up getting offered the tickets (a fine print possibility), I get the deposit back.

Assuming I am interested (I don't need to hear anything about not getting the tickets) I have two questions:

1) There is no mention of where the tickets are. Can I assume they are regular tickets or I am going to pay the deposit and then get offered club seats I don't want and have to eat the deposit?

2) Is this just a ploy to get deposit $ from a ton of fans, collect some forfeited deposits and the interest off the rest who never really had a shot at getting the season tix anyway?

Thanks for any/all advice, love the blog, keep up the good work.

Posted by: Season Tickets? | April 18, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Regarding the cheerleader draft, I heard from the unofficial GM of the cheerleaders, Chris Cooley that his priorities this year are Tight Ends, Keeping Solid up front, and the ability to battle back from behind. He mentioned previous drafts were more focused on looking for Special "Team" players and recievers who were known for being open. He is also looking for the best "Wonderlick" performances.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Denver is just as jaded as Skins nation. What I mean is, it doesnt matter what happened the year before, their team is going to go all the way this year. They were talking about week 1 predictions and from what they say, the skins are favored bu wither two or three points.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Week one prediction, for Miami at Washington? The forecast calls for pain.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

By which I mean the new coach and new QB are going to have trouble coming into our house, especially if we have added a beast D lineman or supercalifragaliciousexpialadocious safety to the lineup.

Bring them on.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I got that email last year.

You will not know what seats you'll get until June, which I think is the deadline for previous season ticket holders to move their seats. Then they would assign their seats to you after that.

I had to forfiet my $$ last year because I was buying my house at the same exact time they sent the remainder of thr invoice..........

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 18, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Why do some people want Willis? He may be good, but we just signed a MLB. I think teams should draft based on talent over need, but some need has to be taken into consideration (if Willis is the best player on the board, then trade back)

And Peterson! Are you crazy?! Portis is one of the best RB's in the NFL, and Betts may be thee best #2 RB in the NFL....I think Peterson is an absolute stud, but why fix it if ain't broke?

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

I remember thinking the same against Minnesota last year

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Who has us taking Willis?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I know this sounds crazy, but I will consider this draft a success if we just hold on to all of our future picks.

I like Landry at six and Okoye if we trade down a pick or two. I think it should be DL, OL, and Landry (if we can't get a good deal to move back) for all of our picks.

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Trade down, down, down and load up on meat, multiple, massive, mega-meat. Guys with 850lbs leg presses. Guys whose sole occupation is to block the blockers. Guys who care nothing about stats and everything about wrestling with the man before them. Then let's see how Gigi's D skill players can do their jobs.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | April 18, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Jon

Portis has had injury problems. Coming off a bad shoulder is kind of a hinky thing. One wrong move and hes gone for a year again. I dont see a problem drafting a young running back if the opportunity presents himself.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

90% of the Denver radio guys are Bronco homers. Most think the Broncos have fleeced the skins in trades and think Shanahan is a god. Nevermind that he's on his 4th d-coordinator in 7 yrs.

Posted by: skinswest | April 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I would hope that the Redskins trade down to acquire more draft picks, preferably in the mid-first round. What will probably happen is the Skins will draft someone at 6 since they don't have the saavy to pull something off.

I'm still hoping that the Skins draft Anderson, as he is still learning the nuances of the DE position (remember he was recruited as a WR). Plus, having two smaller DE's on the starting D-Line only spells for the run defense.

IMHO, Okoye isn't as good as his current rating. Trust me, I have to watch U of L football regularly, and in a lot of the games that I watched, he tends to over pursue, leaving running lanes open behind him and he also misses a lot of tackles. I don't know if it's his speed, quickness or what, but I'm not as impressed with him as other folks are. Maybe he has room to grow.

I'm just waiting for the FO to screw this one up. Here's to the '08 season.

Posted by: L'Ville Skins Fan | April 18, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

skinswest,

I would say that number is much closer to 100% homers. It is almost ridiculous. Shanahan could be caught smoking crack with a prostitute (ala Marion Barry) and the media would compliment him on how pretty the prostitute was.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason, your the man....

Listen... I think the skins should trade down. Like you said there are plenty of D-linemen in this years draft and I think that if they trade down to lets say... Chicago's number... they can get Briggs, give up the 6th for the 31st... and get a decent DE and get a decent DT in the 2nd round. It makes senses...

But... let me bring everybody back to reality... We have Daniel Synder??? the guru of descruction!!!! I say we move down, tell EA Sports to put Jason Campbell on the Madden cover instead of Vice Young, and tell Synder to build the doom stadium in SW next to the new Nationals baseball stadium just across the Potomac and have Super Bowls played here for centuries to come...

Posted by: Scoop | April 18, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

(1) The Skins SHOULD trade down and pick up a later first round pick as well as a second and a third. With those picks, they should select in no particular order de, dt, lg. This makes sense because they need bodies and depth and it is not completely clear which ONE defensive line position they need more. Frankly depends on how healthy/effective Griffin is at dt (3-technique) and how effect Carter is a pass rusher (the end of the year Carter was very effective).

(2) I predict the Skins will stay put at 6 and select Okoye.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | April 18, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne,

I almost said 95% but there are two guys on 950AM (irv and joe - mostly joe) that beat on Shanahan fairly often. Joe hated the portis/bailey trade. 1500 yd rushers don't grow on trees - even in Denver.

Posted by: skinswest | April 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

To set the record straight, the B*tch that set him up was not a prostitute, but his former girlfriend......

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 18, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

It's easier to tell them to trade down, than for them to get a good deal for the #6 pick. If they didn't get good value, they'd just be critisized for throwing away their first round pick. But how many 'sure things' are there in the first round of this draft? I doubt that there are six.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | April 18, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree Gonzo. I am recommending that they trade down but you are right that they need to receive value in return and we don't know/won't know what is being offered. Probably depends on whether someone like Brady Quinn is on the board at 6. I suppose there would be some serious offers if so.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | April 18, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Tampa and Detriot reportedly have a deal in place to flip flop #2 and #4. The Lions would also get Simeon Rice. If I was Detriot, I would hop right on this thing. This rumor hasn't been confirmed yet, though.

Let all the false info flow freely!!

Posted by: ES via PFT | April 18, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

All right guys, who's going to be at FedEx next week? If there is enough of us, maybe we can meet up and grab a section to get to know everyone.....

Thoughts?

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

If that flip flop is the case between TB and Detroit. Calvin is going to Tampa and Quinn is going to the Lions.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

JLC, I hope that the fact that you didn't mention the Briggs deal as an option means that it's now dead. I fear, however, that one call from the Bears could, unfortunately, resuscitate it. I think that any possibility of trading down will only materialize on draft day, as teams see who is actually available when the 'Skins are on the clock, and I hope that this is what they do. This is one reason that I am against doing the Briggs deal, or any other one for that matter, before the draft.

I think that the most likely outcome is that they stay at six and draft either Okoye or Landry because, in order to trade down, you obviously need someone to trade up, and teams willing to do that this year seem to be in short supply. As for the 'Skins possibly trading up, my answer is, "With what?" They don't have a second, third or fourth this year, so that possibility seems remote to me.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 18, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

C is the best option. Get a dline and hopefully a second.

Staying put isnt bad.

Trading up atrocious

Sopranos - a bit slow but not bad.

Entourage - Ari makes the show the rest is pretty boring.

Posted by: C-A-P-S | April 18, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

If this Blog were Entourage.... Nominations for casting.

Vince = Jason: He is the "Talent" that gets girl(his wife) pregnant and takes excessive vacations.

Turtle = dcsween. nuff said

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Our ammunition for trading up would be current player(s) and/or -- shudder -- '08 picks. Just say no!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I never answered the question. Mind, I'm an Eagles fan, but I'm going to pretend i'm all burgundy for a bit.

I think they should stay put, and pick a defender - but not a linebacker (don't think there's any worth picking at six).

I think they will attempt to trade up on the day for Calvin. Failing that, they'll stay put.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | April 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

J LA,

Any truth to the rumors that in order for Fletcher to be effective (like he was in Buffalo) that the skins need a super beefy d-lineman, someone like Branch plus 50 Lbs? This presumably to clog up the blockers so Fletcher can run and make tackles? Could Montgomery do this or Goldston?

Any possibility the Skins want one more QB (assuming Collins is gone) or if they can't get Calvin Johnson that they pick a tall WR in the later rounds?

Re Landry, if they take him, what an investment in the Saftey's over the past few years!! (1st rounder S. Taylor, $40M Archu-experiment, 1st rounder Landry....) his scouting report says he makes mistakes looking for the big hit or the big play (two Reapers???) Don't we need a steady coverage saftey to align reaper properly (possibly for run support) and stick to coverage discipline? Why do we need Landry..best available athlete? What happened to the idea of S Springs converting to cover saftey...too much money and too many injuries?

I guess I don't get it on Landry or a non-beefy DT (Akoye)- based on recent history, the defensive scheme has specific needs but its not clear if they are going to really address them.

Posted by: Down Town Clown | April 18, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Branch plus 50lbs??? Holy crpa, that'd be a 385lb lineman!

Posted by: skinswest | April 18, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

If Soupy can't get it done with Moss-RandleEl-Lloyd-Cooley-Portis, then we need to draft Quinn/Russell, not CJ.

But let's play for a moment... Send Detroit #6 and Shawn Springs for #2 and their 2nd round pick (#34?). You could get a decent CB (not a Springs replacement, perhaps, but serviceable), or a DE (Iwanna Vowel-Francis).

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Q:And where does a 385 lb. lineman sit?

A:Right next to the elephant!

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

385 lbs. Sounds like SMACK'S boy Leonard "Buffet King" Davis

Posted by: 4-12 | April 18, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

In the sense that Fletcher "needs" to not have a 320 lb. OG blocking him in order to make a tackle, having a DT that requires "extra attention" would be nice. But the point was made that last year the Bill's DTs were nothing special, and he still shed the blocks and made over 100 tackles. The big difference was that the announcer probably said "gain of 5" after more of those tackles than we'd like to see next year.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I think that we should draft "Big Black" from MTV's "Rob and Big." That guy is HUGE and he is pretty athletic

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

There is no place on the field for a 385 lbs person ...they belong on the sidelines, coaching the Terps.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

There is no place on the field for a 385 lbs person ...they belong on the sidelines, coaching the Terps.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

wasn't it Fonoti(?) that was listed at 385, but admitted that it was really over 400?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Foul....I got fouled when sending my last posting causing a double clutch. I should be shooting two!!

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

You already did, MrSpartan.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne-

Portis has only hurt last year, how can you say he is injury plagued?! You can't assume that his shoulder is more susceptible to re-injury, and saying that 1 wrong move ends his season, isn't that true for any player?

Furthermore, if you want to bring up injury history, the 1 knock on Peterson is that he is injury plagued!

This point isn't even worth discussing anymore...

I also agree with cloud and daggar, why do we want 2 elite safeties? Seems like too big of an investment in the position. I think we can be just fine playing Prioleau and Fox next to Reaper. I think safety and OG are 2 positions where you can be ok finding bargain players. Which is also why I wouldn't sweat the need for a highly drafted OG (say Grubbs in the early 2nd round).

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Stay at #6 and grab the best DE or DT tackle available. Don't know why some are picking us to grab Landry. Could use him but we need defensive LINE help now...

Posted by: fearturtle | April 18, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Assuming we don't trade up, the worst case scenario would be if Russell, Quinn, Peterson, Johnson, and Thomas are all gone through 5.

If so, our leverage to trade down will be minimal. I get the feeling that some teams love Okoye, others Adams, Branch, and Carriker. Unless someone is hard-up for Landry, we'd have to pick. If that's the case, we have to go with whomever is the best DL on our chart. That appears to be Okoye.

This has been an area of need for too long. Prioleau and Stoutmire can play a steady safety, lets focus on need.

Posted by: Chris | April 18, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Although it is not the case for most teams, we do need two good safeties because Grilliams is always rushing at least one of them.

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Never used the word "plagued". Fact is at his age and with his aggressive style of play, it is hard to argue that he is not more succeptible now that it has been injured already.

Springs is in the same position as Portis. Both are great players, but are getting old (as far as skill positions in football go) Every injury takes time off of there shelf life.

Every player is one play away from being done...that is why you have depth at a position. We have Betts, but if we can pick up a RB in the later round then what would it hurt.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

This past episode was weak, not unlike Eric's malnurished calves.

Posted by: Drama | April 18, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Jon, Just re-read my post and hopefullt it didn't come across with attitude.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The pft rumor about Detroit-Tampa flip flopping #s 2 and 4 makes sense to me, and would be consistent with lots of the other projections/chatter elsewhere suggesting that Millen's number might finally be up if he doesn't get something right this year.

I see CJ going to the Buccs, who desperately need to update Joey Galloway (entering his 14th season) and Ike Hilliard (his 12th). For the life of me, I can't see how they let go of Edell Sheppard. What's the point of having a half dozen QBs with no one to throw to?

This gives me comfort that the Skins won't trade up ... because it will be impossible to do so. I also hope Gaines Adams gets picked before #6, just so they won't be tempted.

Speaking of that Detroit-Tampa rumor, did you hear about the guy with two left feet? He walked around in flip-flips.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Way too thought out and no chance in "h-e-double hockey sticks" of actually happening, but, again, fun to dream:

TEN trades for SD's Michael Turner, giving the Chargers their 1st and 3rd. Chargers trade up to the #6 spot for the #19, the #30 picks and #93 (Chargers have #96 as a compensatory pick, but you can't trade those, so these two are virtually identical in value for them.). SD drafts LaRon Landry to replace Terrence "SiSippin on some SiZurp" Kiel.

Skins pick up DE Jamaal Anderson, DE Adam Carriker or DE Jarvis Moss with the #19 pick AND S Michael Griffin, S Reggie Nelson or OG Ben Grubbs with the #30 pick.

Grab a CB or D-lineman in the 3rd. Grab O-lineman and maybe another CB or LB in 5th, 6th and 7th.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | April 18, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

but will Tampa want to make that swap until they see the Raiders take Russell? (Or hear that the contract is done)?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Aren't Portis and Betts the same age? And if I remember correctly, early in his career Betts always had some sort of injury. They got Ducket because noone thought Betts could go the season without getting injured.

Maybe he was just faking injury so he'd be healthy by his contract year.

Posted by: the don | April 18, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

You want some corny jokes dsween?

What do you call a guy with no arms and legs trying to swim? Bob
What do you call a guy with no arms and legs waiting for someone to open the door for him? Matt
What do you call a woman with one wodden leg? Peg
What do you call a guy with no arms and legs stuck on a wall hook? Art
What do you call a guy with no arms and legstrying to waterski? Skip
What do you call a guy after he jumps off the Empire State Building? Mark

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Bucktown, I think it is you that has been "SiSippin on some SiZurp," although I agree that would be an great trade for us.

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Portis and Betts might be the same age. But I think Portis probably "feels" older because of the wear and tear.

Don't get me wrong on this. the redskins need Portis. He is a true redskin in my opinion and should not trade him. he should play until he can't play anymore.

It would be nice to have a young back up. Maybe not this year but in a year or two they look to draft a back.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I injured my shoulder in my 11th grade year playing football. I had to get a cortizone shot a month while playing in my 11th and 12th grade year. 10 1/2 years later, my shoulder is stiil F'd up.

I can only carry but so much or do so much above my shoulders. Lucky for me I got a desk job. But, according to the orthopedics, it will last for ever.

My name is ExtremeSkins, and I am now injury-plagued......

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 18, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

MrSpartan, you missed my favorite:

What do you call a woman with one leg shorter than the other?

Ilene

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | April 18, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Betts is a year older than Portis. They signed Duckett because they did not think Betts could ive them he 2-3 yard push they needed in 3rd and short situations. he proved them wrong when Protis was still playing (in a more limited role in the later part of the the seasons first half.)

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

What they should do: trade to 8 and get Okoye (or Landry, but I prefer Okoye and think he's more likely to still be there) or trade out of round 1 to pick up multiple second round picks and/or a package i ncluding a #1 in '08. After 8 the only guy I like is not at a position of need (Olsen, the TE from Miami) and the Branch/Carikker options seem mediocre and risky. Getting a couple of mid/high second rounders and a #1 for next year would let them get a couple of potential starters who don't hurt the salary cap and give them an option in '08 to move up and take a high-impact player at a position of need or stockpile depth again. There should be high demand for #6 with the possibility of Brady Quinn still there, or possibly Adrian Peterson (how crazy would that be?).

What they will do: like every year, they are probably already in love with a player and they will get him. They do it every year. I am guessing that player goes to them at 6 (so not CJ), even if they could get him lower.

Posted by: beat cal | April 18, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

That's what the team misses out on by not keeping draft picks. They only have a few developing players. It be nice if the team had a few player projects such as RB or OL so that when I player retires or leaves via free agency, they have capable players.

I'd like a 6th or 7th round QB with a good arm but needs lots of work to come in as our 3rd QB. Someone with potential but no chance of undercutting Jason.

Posted by: the don | April 18, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Portis does come back healthy and more importantly hapy. The one-two punch of him and Betts has me pretty optomistic about the running game. That should open up the deep ball for JC.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If we have picks that late we ought to take a look at the Colorado kicker (Crosby?). We have been terrible at the kicking game the last few years.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

No hard feelings Cheyenne, I appreciate a good natured and good spirited argument....

A late pick backup rb would be ok I guess, but still, even if Portis is hurt, we have Betts, and although I don't think Rock should be our starting rb (even with multiple injuries) I think Sultan could carry the load for a few games in an emergency. We have had some young no-names look fine in pre-season, who I am comfortable with. Considering the small # of picks we have, rb should be de-prioritized.

Only if there is an rb we think who is a late sleeper, much better than the other options at DL, OG, S or whatever else..It just seems to me that rb is theeeee strongest position on our team.

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd draft Landry at no.6, or if we could trade down for a mid-low 1st rd. choice, and a 2nd and 3rd rd. pick, which would be just about right on the value chart, we could pick up some players like:
1: DE - Charles Johnson/Adam Carriker/Jarvis Moss
2. OG - Justin Blalock/Marshal Yanda/Doug Free/James Marten
3. MLB - Buster Davis
5. K - Kyle Schlicher
6. DT - Paul Soliai
7. CB w/return skills - Corey Graham

check these guys out. Schlicher was the kicker at Iowa who succeeded Nate Kaeding and was just as good (i went to school there and watched him make more clutch kicks than you can imagine)

Posted by: justin | April 18, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

if i was gm i would trade the 6 pick and shawn springs,since he wont take a pay cut to the pats for asante samuel and their 24 pick.that would give us a top 5 corner and rid us of a greedy player who is getting old.

Posted by: xpac69 | April 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

oh and add the pats 3 round pick to that deal also.

Posted by: xpac69 | April 18, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

If we only have one or two picks, I dont even think we should consider offense at this point.

I just hope we can work some magic to get a couple of late round picks without having to give up any of our guys already on the team.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

You must not have seen the 'Get Paid' tatoo that Sameuls got, eh?

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

cload, good point that Tampa would not want this deal unless CJ is still on the board (maybe Detroit doesn't want it until they make sure Rice is happy). My point is that, for Tampa, WR is a pick based on a position of need -- for the Skins, CJ would be a pick for a play of want.

MrSpartan, same guy in a pile of leaves? Russell.

beat cal, I didn't really think about TE as a position of need till JLaC's early preseason mentioning of the Skins looking for a TE in free agency. If Saunders really does see himself able to turn the Skins into a passing team (nudging St. Joe and The Owner on CJ), then maybe he thinks he can gainfully employee another pass-catching TE who can block. The rap this season about the changes in the NFL as a result of rule changes and quick passes was that it made the center middle zone much much harder to protect. TE is a position that naturally exploits that position (and the other is RB on the draw fake up the middle). From what I've read, Olsen is the best TE in a few years, plus he takes his blocking responsibilities seriously.

Still, taking a TE like Olsen puts a lot of pressure on making that next pick -- where DE seems like a more pressing need than DT -- that much more important. Also, unclear who remains available in free agency/trades at the DE position if the answer to the DE question is not there for that next pick.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Along a similar vein...
What do you call a cow with two legs? Lean beef.
What do you call a cow with no legs? Ground beef.
What do you call a 385 lb lineman? Beefy or just fat.

Posted by: skinswest | April 18, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Is there any way to expand that to include Tom Brady?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Samuels is every bit as greedy as Springs.

Sometimes better the devil you know than the devil you don't

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Is there a link to the Tampa-Detroit pending deal? Or are we all just turning an idea into a rumor?

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

with the 24 pick take charles johnson,cause our biggest need is a pass rushing de to compliment carter,then take a safety with the 3 round pick.

Posted by: xpac69 | April 18, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Trade down, gather more picks

Posted by: Eddy | April 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Suisham will do fine. Crosby will be gone before the 4th round, if not the 3rd. If the Skins need another kicker, the guy to get is Long Mort Andersen.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

actually the majority of pro players are greedy.samuel is 25 and a top 5 corner and springs is 30 and is nowhere near as good as he used to be.

Posted by: xpac69 | April 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

re: drafting an RB, we are four deep right now, so why spend a draft pick on a practice squad player?

re: TE -- How many players can you put on the field at a time? We have a pretty reasonable 'heavy jumbo' set -- Cooley, Yoder, and Pucillo at TE with Sellars as FB. Maybe you'd like an upgrade over Yoder, but FA would've been a better time to take care of that.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Here you go Jon.....

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Not all rumors they report are true, but they do better than Gardner, Rod, aka 50-50...

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Jon, it IS just a rumor (is that more than an idea?) and tis the season to disinform, but here's the link:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I like the Atlanta trade scenario best--it would be great to take advantage of a new head coach with possibly more greed for Okoye than Chainsaw Dan has. Though the Briggs trade might be a good option if we can get a three-way trade going with a team at #12-20. Otherwise, I think we lose too much dropping all the way to 31 just for Briggs.

Entourage I don't watch, but on the Sopranos, Tony can no longer trust Chris, the son he never had (as opposed to weak-minded slacker AJ). He's going to war with New York soon and he's going to have to figure out who he can trust to lead the NJ family into the future. Is that going to be the guys who vultured over his hospital bed waiting for him to croak? No, he's going to look for a super-strong-willed person who would never betray him during the grooming process. The only person I can think of with that description is Meadow--can he turn her to the dark side and rule the Garden State Galaxy together as father and daughter? Could Pauly follow a Godmother? Maybe there's a more realistic choice out there...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

cload, I don't think they ever lined up Pucillo at TE with the idea of throwing to him. He came on as a third OT b/c Fauria and/or Yoder was hurt (or inactive). I agree that Yoder can block and catch, so I never quite understood why JLaC said they were looking for a TE in FA. My only guess is that they wanted to move up from Yoder (who at the time had not yet been re-signed). Lots of TEs moved around in free agency already. I'm just saying ... if St. Joe was the inventor of the H-back position, and there are new opportunities for what can be accomplished with a TE, maybe a new direction for the passing game might be to line up only two WRs, but add a second catching TE. Everybody else would be all fershimmelled and say WTF!?!

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Dont sleep on the fact that Furio could come back and kill Tony.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

No one is forcing anyone to pay these guys... Samuel and Springs have reasonable points-of-view IMHO. Springs is saying "you signed a contract, just follow it, or make me a more attractive offer". Samuels is saying "standard practice in this league is multiyear contracts -- they reduce risk on both sides. Were it not for an artificial 'tag' designation, I could expect a multiyear deal." (of course, he would use different, shorter words -- I believe he got it down to "Get Paid")

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey - It could be worse. check this out.

The Redskins made UCLA running back Cal Rossi the ninth overall selection in the 1946 draft before realizing that he was coming off his junior season and wasn't eligible. The persistent franchise once again drafted Rossi in the first round of the 1947 draft. The only problem was that Rossi had made it known he had no intention of playing professional football, and true to his word, he never played a down for the Redskins.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | April 18, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

... there would be a traffic jam of receivers over the middle ... two open WRs along each sideline ... so they'd call in Brunell, who'd throw the dink-and-dunk to Betts for a fumble and recovery for loss of a yard.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I could expect a multiyear deal." (of course, he would use different, shorter words -- I believe he got it down to "Get Paid")

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 02:02 PM

Classic

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

JM220 - Is alright to use the patented 'Double Hammer to the Back of the Head' on people who keep calling for Landry with the 6th pick?

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

You can never have to many good players. We desparatley need an impact defender anywhere. They have a high 1st round pick should get the impact defender of thier choice.

Make the right choice, thats all I want.

Posted by: Old School | April 18, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Schefter is also reporting the TB-DET rumor.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10131440

sween - my point with Pucillo was for a three-TE set run. Put him between Yoder and Jansen, let Sellars lead block, and how can Portis get stopped?
If you're going to pass, you have to have Randle El out there. He gives you so many options. I just don't see how you can carry another TE on the roster, and we don't have a lot of extra draft picks to stash on the practice squad.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Old School - I'm hoping that xpac69 is working on a deal with the Pats that includes Tom Brady. Interested?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

We should try to draft that RB kid coming out of Dillon Texas, Smash. He seems to be fast and knows his way around field. Thoughts?

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

jm220, I would hope you don't share the bloghammer in response to that request ... having a different opinion about a draft pick does not seem bloghammer-worthy. It demeans and trivializes the bloghammer to use it for that purpose.

cload, agreed. I'm just trying to guess what might have been going on in the Skins FO collective "mind" during the discussions about TE. I love visualizing your scenario. Frankly, its just a matter of Portis grabbing onto Seller's belt loop ... its like a guy riding a dog sled. I love that combo ... seems like it was ALWAYS good for 3-4 yards.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

If the Det-Tampa deal happens, looks like the top 4 picks will be Russel, Calvin Johnson, Quinn, Thomas. Arizona could take Peterson at 5, meaning the all the big guys will be gone by our pick...That is, if Simeon Rice goes to Detroit, making them not want Gaines Adams.......

The bright side, is that Gaines Adams could be there for us, the downside, is that trading down would be much harder with Peterson and Quinn both potentially gone.

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Listen, JLaC told us that after the seaon, numerous unnamed players said that what the team needs is some "life on the D-Line." We need to trade down or stay put, and draft a DE. I would be happy with Gaines Adams at 6. A healthy Cornelius and Golston, with Salave'a and Montgomery for depth is plenty for the tackle position. Andre Carter came on strong at the end of last season. He needs a sidekick on the other side. Phillip Daniels is too slow at this point, and would be a better DT.

Hail.

Posted by: Jacques | April 18, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

cload, I knew I read about the Detroit-Tampa rumor before. That Schefter article is two days old. Its the addition of Simeon Rice that makes it more interesting ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I think I found a way to get Barry Bonds and Ken Griffey Jr. and we wouldn't have to give up that much

Posted by: George Costanza | April 18, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

ES not sure on that one. I am still 50% for and 50% againts us taking Landry.

Posted by: jm220 | April 18, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Sween - All I am saying is we still need to be rational. All of you clamoring to pick Landry over any DE/DT at #6 is Vinny Cerrato Crazy. Yes, you heard me right.

If ya'll were joking, I would let it slide, but I know you guys are not and I was thinking a Double Hammer ot the back of the head would wake you crazies up.

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

We should not err on dirty Landry. Okoye all the way.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

watching the 4th quarter of the Titans-Skins game from last year, two points stuck out -- 1. the Montgomery/Golston interior "wall" has too many "windows", because Marshall was never clear to make a tackle -- "Henry for 9, Henry for 13, Henry for 1, Henry for 10..."
2. Phillip Daniels chasing down Vince Young on 3rd & 9, Young didn't think Daniels was too slow. He flopped like a fish to avoid the hit.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks George, but we're sending you to work for Tyler Chicken.

Posted by: Diesel | April 18, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Jacques, this is my point. The depth at DT is much younger (and more credible) than the depth at DE. One of the guys drafted last year (cut, but re-signed in the post-season, after some time on the practice squad, and some time away with the JET'S playbook) is Vaka Manapuna. http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=5187 Seems like Big Joe v.2.0. 300 pounds. The writeup says he got some award for deserving tons of credit without anything in particular to point out. Further down its says that, in one of his college seasons, he took 314 snaps at the line of scrimmage and got 11 tackles. That sounds like taking up O-linemen so the LB can make the play. Looks like he could take up some real estate.

Okoye is a sexy choice (as much a DT can be sexy), but btwn DE and DT, the bigger need looks like DE.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree with sween. I don't see how drafting Landry would be considered such a bad idea. If you are sitting at #6 and you know you are going to have to pay whoever you pick big money, you pick the best player that fits your most immediate need.

No of the other players that are projected to be available at #6 are worth the pick (other than Peterson, who we don't need). I think it would be best to trade back and get some more picks, but only if we don't get screwed in the deal. If we pick at #6, I think you have to pick Landry. We have been burned too many times over the middle and Williams loves to bring the saftey on blitzes. Thus, we need someone back there who is comparable to Taylor.

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Wait, are people arguing pro/con on whether you can "hit" someone with a virtual hammer????? WTF? Are you out of your minds????

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Most immediate need is DT/DE

2nd Most RG

Not immediate - Safety

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

2nd Most RG -- What happened to Randy Thomas?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

ES - Agreed, but only if the player is good enough for the pick. Adams? Yes. Okoye? Not sold on him. No guard is worth #6.

I would completely agree with you if we could drop back in the draft.

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

ES, Landry, Landry, Landry, Landry, Landry!

That said, I'd be AOK with lots of the names and positions people want here, including trading up, staying put, trading down. The Skins are a free agent team. For better or worse, its a "mode" the team has been in for a while. Changing it and suddenly deciding to rely on the draft (esp. in a year when we have only 5 picks -- and 4 are on the second day) would be like changing base defenses. Too abrupt.

Best. Athelete. Available (except QB). The Skins are almost good to go with the guys on the roster now. Position of "need" for the Skins doesn't mean the same thing that it does for other teams. Skins have positions of "really want".

Its been said here before. What we NEED is ... more cowbell.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Correction - LG, not RG

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

If we have a need on both sides of the ball, why don't we go for Gordie Lockbaum out of Holy Cross, in the draft. He, like most cowgirl fans, goes both ways. Solve two problems with one pick.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 18, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Projections for OG. We can get a good prospect in the later rounds...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6421984

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

We got Doc in the 3rd round and he started since being a rookie.

The draft is DEEP in Gaurd talent this year, so I would not be mad if can't trade down that we trade a pick or 2 from next year to get what we need this year - LG...

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Keep the 6th pick and don't screw it up. There is a reason the NFL "rewards" teams with horrible records; they are pathetic!! Secondly, many draft analysts say there is a drop off in talent after the top 8 or 9. So pick Okoye, pick Landry, or pick Adams (if he's there). Don't forget last year's debacle on defense. If we screw this up, Arch Deluxe may come back as the field goal holder.

Posted by: MG in Georgia | April 18, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I want to holla at dcsween for jumping on the Landry wagon with AMTTS and myself so early on. If you want to know what Landry will be like, you need to buy and listen to Cypress Hill's first album. That is what he will be like.

Sean Taylor of course is an amalgam of The Wall, Darkside of the Moon, Enter the 36 Chambers, The Chronic, James Brown Live at the Appollo, Illmatic, The White Album, London's Burning and Demon Dayz.

Posted by: The Governor | April 18, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Calvin Johnson will go to Tampa Bay, who trades up with the Oakland Raiders to get the 1st pick.

Therefore, the Redskins need to either

(1) play Shawn Springs at Free Safety and draft Gaines Adams at #6, or

(2) trade Springs and draft Laron Landry at #6.

Reason: there are only 2 impact players in this draft, Calvin Johnson and Laron Landry. If Tampa Bay beats our offer of a #1 this year and next year's #1, it comes down to Adams or Landry. Which one? Depends what you do with Springs.

Alan Branch wants the big payday but will be out of shape and won't deliver on Sunday.

Jamaal Anderson was a 1-year wonder in college. No guarantee he can get the job done in the pros.

I am against trading down because I think there is talent at the top and then a big drop off and very mediocre talent the rest of the draft.

Posted by: rb | April 18, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

CJ and Landry are the only 2 impact players? Yeah, Peterson sucks, so does Jamarcus and Joe Thomas.....

I think we should keep in mind that Landry shot up draft boards after good 40 times and workouts, which, in the past, has been an easy way to spot a bust. Now, I think Landry is good, but to call him the best player in the draft after CJ, no way.

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Landry shot up the boards after his 40. He has been highly rated this whole time.

Not to speak for rb, but I think he was refering to players we would consider drafting. I don't think we need another WR, but I also didn't know why we needed another LB (Briggs)

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Landry definitely shot up after his 40 times. Early on, Reggie Nelson was just as highly rated, until Landry put up 4.40's or whatever. Landry was a mid first rounder, who has gradually risen from being valued mid-first, to now being #6 potentially.......it was only like a week ago that everyone thought the Falcons would take him at #10 before their trade..

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh, my bad, #10, must suck.

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

To quell this Portis Shabingus about his shoulder;

I had the same exact injury in College. I had the surgery that Portis had. The Doctors asured me that it will be in pre-injury state and I was no more likely to re-injure it than someoone who had never had the injury.

Case closed, Portis is a Beast, not the most patient, but a homerun Hitter and if you dont think so, watch the highlights of his blocks. The least glamorous portion of his job, and he does it with attitude and simply crushes oncoming rushers. He is a redskin through and through.. not going anywhere.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 18, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd trade all of this years' draft picks along with next years' draft picks just as long as the other team also took Dan Snyder!

Posted by: David | April 18, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

1 team wanting him at #10 is a lot different than multiple teams wanting him at #6......and that was only about a week ago! He had a great workout since then, and that is it. My point is that he has not been THIS highly rated the whole time. .....Immediately after the college season he was a little lower, as I said, Nelson was ahead of Landry at first.

It is not debatable that his stock has gone up significantly as the offseason has progressed.

I find it odd that no one talked about him as a beast until his workouts. It wasn't until those 40 times that he became this absolute stud. Just saying that he is becoming quite the bandwagon pick..

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Trade for Kris Jenkins of Carolina Panthers. Stay put at 6 and draft Landry.

Posted by: Tim | April 18, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

One more for 50K!

L2L2L2L2L2L2L2L2L2L2L22L2L2L2L2L2L22L2L2L2L2L2L2L2L22L2L2L2L2L2

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 18, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Kris Jenkins would make me unbelievably happy. I wouldn't mind trading back deep into the first round if we knew one of the picks we recieved could be parlayed into him. A haul of Anderson/Carriker and Jenkins+Crosby+an OG or safety would be amazing

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Gil Brandt (former FO guy in Dallas) at nfl.com has an interesting article about CBs. http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/expert/brandt/cb His points are that (1) with one back, 3 WR sets, teams want to have THREE starting CBs on the roster and (2) recently, CB is the most drafted position in first round, and (3) its the CBs who will be commanding the highest salaries on the D side of the ball. [On this last one, he didn't give these examples, but I say think about what the absence of Champ, Pacman, Samuel, or Clement does to a D.] He likes Revis best. If the Skins pick Revis, that works for me too.

All that said, I think the Grilliams' D is more safety-centered than CB-centered. [See the WaPo "Lost Season" articles about the respective roles of safety coach Steve Jackson and corners coach Jerry Gray ... and how that got muddled b/c Jerry Gray also got the additional title of head DB coach.] I also worry that the strengths of Landry's skill set seem like they duplicate Sean Taylor's. Still, Sean Taylor can count to infinity (twice) and slam a revolving door. Is it such a big a problem to duplicate that?

From the press this time last year, it seemed like Archuleta would be duplicating Sean Taylor's skill set. [We know how that turned out ... when Sean Taylor was forced into focusing on his pass coverage game.] Sean Taylor muddles the distinction btwn free safety/strong safety -- maybe that is Grilliams' intention. Maybe the position in the Grilliams' scheme is just "safety" and there need to be two of them (and they are supposed to be interchangeable).

OK. That's what I have to say to prepare for the parade if they pick Landry. Now if they pick a DE or DT?? Same parade, different balloons.

Just DON'T do Scenario D -- trade #6 for a first and a second round pick NEXT year. Sure, that would be great for next year, but the RI hamster does not want to have to check into rehab.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I would do C 100 out of 100 times, especially since we don't pick again until the 5th; however, if the opportunity doesn't present itself, I am fine with staying at B. By staying at 6, I would address the dline. You just can't ignore our complete lack of pressure on the QB and inability to stop the run/create turnovers late in the year...

Now, as far as what I think the Redskins will do... I seriously think they would do A and draft CJ if they had more draft picks to trade. But since they don't, and not many teams are interested in trading up, I think they'll stay at 6, pick Landry (who turns into a dud), while Okoyo goes on to become an All-pro. It's just our luck, guys... sorry.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 18, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Landry has been pretty consistently a #10-#20 pick. We have someone a lot like him who shows why that might be case, and why him creeping upward shouldn't be that surprising.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

One reason to consider Landry - he's friggin' FAST!!! And we know he's a good player. And a GW defense is one that's supposed to be built on speed. Landry is faster than most corners, if his times are to be believed.

But the LB position isn't necessarily settled. Marcus' health is uncertain, London is old and short, Rocky is unproven, and Lemar has to prove himself again. Who's to say the Briggs trade wasn't the best idea? And if they end up dropping down a couple of slots and taking Willis, that could be good. Why? Because he's friggin' FAST!!! I'm guessing he could play OLB as well as in the middle. You wouldn't want to play a rookie in the middle anyway.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Jon, though AMTTS/Governor do not have a mock draft site, I'm fairly certain I remember them pushing Landry before the start of free agency (back when everyone else was worrying about the potential loss of Dockery).

I forgot about the original shoulder comment (ES?). I had subluxation in high school wrestling and had the same deal, plus the surgery would have been real ugly. A buddy had it in BOTH shoulders and had the surgery. He has since become an anesthesiologist (sp?) and says that they fix that now laproscopically, much less invasive, much quicker and fuller recovery. Ironically, he said it was professional sports that caused the rapid progress and improvements in the procedure in recent years. Whoever made the comment, check in again with an orthopedic surgeon. Things may have changed.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

C is for cookie and cookie is for me HEY! Trade down, get more picks, build some depth!

B is for blessing as in it'll be a blessing if the FO doesn't screw this up and we keep #6 and get a good D player

A is for A**ININE or A**H*LE or A**WIPE! Top 5 needs for the team DO NOT INCLUDE WR!! Plus TB wants Johnson so we ain't gonna get them unless they trade all picks 2008-2080, the cheerleaders, Cyn Cyty, the WaPo snow cam and the hammer.

I'm with Old School - draft a good player who'll be great who'll produce and I'm happy (well at least for now)!

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious...people really think the Pats would trade Samuel + 24 for Springs + 6?

C'mon xpac...they don't win superbowls for being stupid. They won't pay Springs if they won't pay Samuel.

Posted by: dmoney | April 18, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I will say this - if L2 is the beast he appears to be then picture this . . .close your eyes . . . ready . . .

"Romo steps back, throws, T.O. has it at the 50, the 45, the 40 . . . FUMBLE! Sean Taylor picks up the loose ball and is off to the 50, the 45, the 40, he could go all the way. Touchdown! Redksins! Holeee cow! T.O got drilled by L2 on that play who came all the way across the field. We could hear it all the way up here."

Makes the tears come to your eyes a lil bit don't it?

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

DMoney -- Shhhh, he's working on getting Brady included in the deal. Stop with the negative waves!

sfskin -- do we get class credit for studying our C-B-A's?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

If we draft L2, it will be more like "Romo steps back, has time....waits....looks, still has time, surveys his options... kisses his celebrity girlfriend of the week,... has all day to throw... finds TO". The front 4 HAS to generate pass rush. They couldn't last year.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 18, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

cload - you get extra credit cause it's backwards!

Hey do you think Madden would put Vinny or the Danny on the cover?

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but it'd only give them racquetball injuries.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - remember I'm calling the game in Happy Fantasy Land where all good little Skins fans go. Such a nice place.

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

sfskin- Ah...I forgot about the Happy Fantasy Land part. That's right. In that place, my blogname is reversed!

Posted by: 4-12 | April 18, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

... "Plus TB wants Johnson so we ain't gonna get them unless they trade all picks 2008-2080, the cheerleaders, Cyn Cyty, the WaPo snow cam and the hammer.

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 03:32 PM"

>>> Sweet. We get to keep the gnome.

Seriously, I thought I would get some nibbles on Scenario D from the "Quit Mortgaging the Future" crowd ... like maybe folks would like it, but apparently, its also a "Don't Save for the Future" crowd too. Apparently, just an "Anti-Finance" crowd in general. How is that word pronounced anyway? FUY-nance or feh-NANCE?

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

That was me. I had/currently have a rotator cuff injury. I thought that was what Portis had as well?

I doubt he will be 100% ever in his life again, but as long as they have cortizone shots, it won't matter. I expect Portis to leave the league by age 31........

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

With all the insane inflation is it possible we might see the first $100mill contract for a #1 pick?

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

That's awesome...vinny on the cover of madden. Too perfect.

The worst thing about these 'trade down' scenarios is you actually need someone to trade up. Nobody wants to trade up. And why should they? Think of the value. Meachem will get a contract that pays him 12 million over 5 years, and CJ gets that just in bonus!

Can someone please show me an example of a team building around a WR? I mean successfully? I guess Irvin, but that team was so much more than Irvin. Keyshawn, Moss, Rodgers, T.O., Fryar...none of them worth it. Maybe Steve SMith?

Posted by: dmoney | April 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

But with a shoulder injury like that, will it hamper the way he carries the ball. Is her more likely to fumble with a weakened shoulder.

Im not familiar with the injury so I dont know what the lasting side effects would be.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

What about Chad Johnson in Cinci?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's our dream scenario...Quinn falls to the Skins and some other team COVETS Landry. At 6, we trade with Minnesota if they win the bidding war for Quinn. That would provide a mid-round pick at least.

Next we trade with team X, somewhere between 10-15 to allow them to get Landry. That could add a #2 or #3 at the worst.

From 10-15, we pick one of the many names bandied about on this thread...I say Branch.

The man has huge upside. I think "effort" in college can be misleading because the college game is played in much more open space and the DTs are much less of a factor. It's hard to be an effort guy when you're not involved. Or, maybe I'm just wrong. Whatever.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Good point dmoney. I think Palmer is more important in Cincy than Ocho Cinco. He is probably #2 after Steve Smith, who is the closest to being on a succesful...but carolina is good because of their D.

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I say trade. They definitely should not waste the number 6 in the draft on a defensive tackle that is ranked much lower. Apparently Branch's work ethic is questioned. They have enough in the d-line right now. But it would be nice to have a high 2nd, 3rd round pick if possible.

I agree with attempting a trade that might land CJ. This is a skill player that would definitely have an immediate huge impact. But the cost would be high. Next year's draft. They are still very weak at cover corner. Speed, injuries, and inconsistency are big problems there. At linebacker they just need to do a better job of stopping the run. I believe this can only occur if they have two terrific cover corners plus a safety to pick up play action passes when running plays are expected by the defense. They need to be able to run blitz not just blitz on passing plays.

The defensive line will be fine for another year. It would be nice to pick a guy or two up in the lower rounds. I believe this would be best accomplished by trading down. Age is definitely a factor there. They will be strong at tackle and with Carter at end. But after that ...

Pick 6 will probably be Landry unless CJ somehow falls to 6. I can't see them wasting it on a defensive lineman. With Landry at one safety position or even at corner the defense should improve dramatically. Landry would have the biggest impact after CJ.

Posted by: periculum | April 18, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

#6DoubleEL, I couldn't agree more. Am I reading that someone is suggesting that Clinton Portis is old? I hope not. How old is he? 23 or 24? Common now!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I like the kid from South Central Louisiana State University myself. Bobby Boucher. Helluva linebacker.

Posted by: skinswest | April 18, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The reason that Alan Branch's draft stock fell was because of the media spin/rumor/innuendo about the evaluation of Branch by Kansas City's D-line coach, Tim Krumrie at Michigan's Pro Day. Use the intergoogles for "Krumrie Alan Branch" to learn about it. Essentially, the coach is something of a hard nose and tries to rough up/outwork draft prospects and FA candidates to determine how much gas is in the engine. The noise about Branch having no motor, being flabby, tired, is all the result of the kids' game of Telephone. If it gets repeated enough times, its becomes simplified. Then it becomes buzz . Then it becomes lore. Then it becomes perception ... and everyone knows that reality is what it is perceived to be. My guess? Kansas City picks Alan Branch (or, at least, was thinking they would before OT Will Shields bagged out on them last week).

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"POSTED 4:42 p.m. EDT, April 18, 2007

BUCS-LIONS DEAL DEAD, FOR NOW

A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that the trade talks between the Lions and Buccaneers for a flip-flop of the No. 2 overall pick and the No. 4 overall pick are dead. For now.

But the source says that the Lions also are talking to the Redskins and Falcons about a possible trade of first-round, top-ten picks. And the Cardinals (we're told) contacted the Lions for the first time on Wednesday to discuss the spot.

The Redskins hold the No. 6 pick, the Falcons hold the No. 8 pick, and the Cardinals hold the No. 5 pick.

The source also says that the Lions are confused by the Redskins' interest in moving up, since Washington doesn't have many other 2007 picks to offer. In addition to the sixth overall selection, the 'Skins have a fifth-round pick, two sixth-round picks, and a seventh-round selection.

We're also told that the Lions prefer to make the trade before the draft. We recently heard that if no trade is accomplished before noon on April 28 and if receiver Calvin Johnson is available at No. 2, the Lions would select him and then trade his rights to the highest bidder. Apparently, the Lions have figured out that actually drafting Johnson and then sending him to someone else would open the organization up to plenty of criticism if Johnson becomes a superstar (especially in light of the team's past misadventures with top-ten receivers). It would be far better to get out of the No. 2 spot before the picks start to fly."

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Must not press submitttttt..t...

Posted by: BloggingOverload | April 18, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

stay at 6 and draft laron landry

Posted by: Alexander | April 18, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Cheyene - It won't make him fumble more, but if he takes on too many hits to that shoulder, it could be a chance to further injury it.

Portis use to always have those stingers then would take himself out of the game, maybe he has had this injury for a while and it got worst? If so, it shows his threshold for pain is very high.

I would think he stays our primary RB for at least 2-3 more years.......

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

All of this disinformation about Branch is coming out because a team wants him to fall to their pick.

He is def a top 10 pick and I owuld draft him if Adams isn't their.....

Posted by: ES | April 18, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

This past offseason has shocked me with how much restraint our FO has had and how we may have turned a new leaf as far as our offseason strategies. So I think they'll surprise us again and use the #6 pick to give us an amazing amount of talent that'll be the foundation of this team for years. Here's a real dream scenario:

The first 5 picks: #1 OAK Calvin Johnson, #2 DET Gaines Adams, #3 CLE JaMarcus Russell, #4 TB Amobi Okoye, #5 ARI Joe Thomas

We trade the #6 pick to MIA for their 2nd (#60) and 3rd (#71) and the #9 pick

MIA Brady Quinn, MIN LaRon Landry, ATL Jamaal Anderson

At #9, we trade with BUF for a 3rd (#74) and the #12

BUF Patrick Willis, HOU Levi Brown, SF Alan Branch

We trade the #12 pick to GB for a '08 2nd and #16

GB Adrian Peterson, STL Leon Hall, CAR Greg Olsen, PIT Marshawn Lynch

We trade back again to NO for #27 and a 2nd (#58) for #16

With all these picks, WAS selects #27 DE Anthony Spencer, #58 CB Marcus McCauley, #60 DT DeMarcus Tyler, #71 OG Josh Beekman, #74 TE Matt Spaeth and

Posted by: Anup | April 18, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I hope so...I think his part in the team chemistry is enormous.

Will he be more tentative now that he knows his shoulder has been compromised? Meaning will he still block with the smae intensity as he always has...

my guess is yes. He has sacrificed his body too many times to think he will let up

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 18, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Anus has way too much time on his hands

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Anup. Sorry for typo

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Anup,

I think that is brilliant. There is no way that one player (Landry) would be more valuable to our team than picking up that many players and that much needed depth at those positions. If I were an NFL GM I would try and follow this strategy everytime. Now if only it were actually possible....

Posted by: Dante | April 18, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

This speculation would be a lot tastier if we still had picks 2-4. If we did, we'd be licking our chops for the best player available, such as Russell, Quinn, Calvin or Landry, instead of shuffling opinions about 4 defensive lineman who may - or may not - pan out. This is your fault, Cerrato, Gibbs & Snyder. At 6, we still need to consider drafting Quinn or Russell. Great quarterbacks are 1) rare and 2) we may not have another chance at one in years and 3) by far the most important single position on any NFL team. Is Campbell The Guy for the next 12 years? Maybe. I like him, certainly compared with Brunell, but whether he will grow into an above-average quarterback is still a matter of debate. Moreover, if Cambell gets hurt, which many do in a given year, we're back to a one year older, slower, softer-boned, hit-frightened Brunell, and our season is finished (and aesthetically unwatchable). Of course, this is true at just about every position, except for running back. Such are just a few of the problems when you sign old veterans and trade draft picks. If we are not going to consider a quarterback, then at least the best player available. This team is too old to win now and needs to rebuild. Thinking that we will solve the team's problems and become a contender with a rookie on the D-line is absurd. Filling a 'need' at DE will not stem the geriatric decline of our aged team. We need to look ahead and build around our young guys with the best possible talent on the board, keep our picks for next year, hire a GM and look towards 2009 or 2010.

Posted by: SmittyT | April 18, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Alan Branch = Ryan Sims

Posted by: BT | April 18, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Detroit-Tampa Bay ... the rumor gods giveth, and the rumor gods taketh away.

And on a point unrelated to disinformation, people seem to forget that nowadays when a player undergoes offseason surgery, they've been installing bionics. Six million dollar man? That's a rookie contract for a third round pick.

Unfortunately, sometimes the installation takes (Drew Brees) and sometimes it doesn't (Daunte Culpepper). As we speak, T.O. is having a bionic implant of personal shame. Leonard Davis is getting lipo ... no bionics ... just wants to look better in a thong.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

They want to do A.
They'll most likely do B.
They should do C.

I would like them to do C but that's super-smart thing to do -

but they won't.

Posted by: charlie | April 18, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

DCsween

I heard the same thing about Krumrie. He thinks because he played for the Bengals in the 80's he is one of the old school coaches that can match the youngsters motors.

Posted by: DC in DC | April 18, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

If you used my draft method.... ie waiting to see the players you draft play before concluding if they can or can't. then the only wr ever to have the kind of impact cj is projected to have is Jerry Rice (jerry was picked #17) hindsight (my method would have moved him to #1 overall). Other than Jerry no wr is or has been worth lets say top 5.

Posted by: Old School | April 18, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that the trade talks between the Lions and Buccaneers for a flip-flop of the No. 2 overall pick and the No. 4 overall pick are dead. For now. ..."

Of course, there could be another way to interpret this report from pft -- "A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that he got in big trouble for talking to us in the first place and was directed to call back and tell us the deal is dead."

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

It's so depressing that we have to concoct these Rube Goldberg schemes, just to dream up ways to get picks between the first and fifth rounds! Aaaaargh.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

This from wikipedia about Krumrie. More evidence about my theory of bionics.

"Krumrie may perhaps be best known for suffering one of the most dramatic football injuries ever televised, a shattered leg during Super Bowl Super Bowl XXIII against the San Francisco 49ers. While trying to tackle 49ers running back Roger Craig, the cleats on his left shoe caught in the grass and the rest of Krumrie's body was spun around nearly 180 degrees. He suffered two breaks in his tibia and another in his fibula. A 15-inch steel rod was surgically implanted to stabilize the leg, and amazingly, Krumrie was ready by the next training camp and played 6 more years."

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

sween, Leonard Davis in a thong. Thanks, thanks a million for that image.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I read recently that St. Joe was saying that all the real value is in the second and third rounds. What if the Skins traded #6 for those value picks. Could we get at least three guys in the second/third rounds with it?

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

NEW YORK (AP) -Chicago Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher was fined $100,000 by the NFL for wearing a cap during Super Bowl media day that promoted a sponsor not authorized by the league.

Urlacher was fined for drinking vitaminwater and wearing a vitaminwater hat during the media session in Miami leading to the title game.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

During the run up to the Super Bowl, JLaC wrote about getting an "official press release" about Urlacher's vitamin water and cookie routine. He mocked it well. Everyone laughed, but apparently Urlacher has stopped laughing.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

have you all seen the rumor on profootballtalk stating that the bucs-lions deal for the 2nd pick is dead now because the skins and falcons are attempting to work out a deal with the lions instead for the no.2 pick? Hmmmmmm, every time i think this whole CJ thing is just hype, there's another newer rumor that their interest is legitimate.

Posted by: JUSTIN | April 18, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

sween- I saw that earlier today. I'd bet vitaminwater paid him around a half mil to wear/drink it, with all parties knowing what the fine would be.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 18, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I'm betting Urlacher got paid way more than $100k for the promo plus everything else he does the hit on his wallet isn't huge.

By the way I love that you get fined $100k for wearing a hat but hey DUI, arrests, bad sportsmanship etc. not so much until you really cross the line.

Gawd bless capitalism!

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Jon, bruh, I was telling my fellow bloggers to watch my dog L2 before the bowl game against Notre Dame. I bought the bandwagon last year when he took the soul of that bama from bama on a blitz, nay, a march to destruction like Theoden riding on the fields of Pelenor. He has been my guy for years.

Here are my facts:

1) 4 year starter on a top 5 team in the SEC
2) The dude makes plays

I've always known. You can't blame me that scouts are just now catching on. The dude is ready and has been ready. I watched the games bruh. I saw it.

I would love to acquire more picks but I just don't see a realistic scenario that could help us (aka, us dropping the ball).

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | April 18, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

4-12, agreed ... $100K to Urlacher is like ... well, I can't think of anything funny, but its not very much money to him.

Here is what JLaC had to say back then. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/01/the_super_bowl_of_silly_pr.html

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

sween, where did you read that Joe sees value in round 3?

Anup, why would Miami trade #9, #60 and #71 for #6? This makes no sense on the draft value chart.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that Johnson, Thomas, Russell, Peterson and Quinn are gone ahead of the 6th pick.

Gaines Adams is a bad choice for the Redskins because he's essentially a younger version of Andre Carter - a little too light, but quick. The Redskins don't want two of these types playing at the same time because they'll get pushed around against the run. So Adams might work beautifully on passing downs, but once Daniels is too old, the Redskins won't have a DE who can stand up to the run.

Take Landry at #6 or trade #6 for Miami's #9 and #60, take Anderson at #9 and hope Weddle is still on the board at #60.

Posted by: mugamack | April 18, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Brady Quinn will be the next Heath Shuler.

Joe Thomas will be the next Robert Gallery.

Gaines Adams will be the next Kenard Lang.

Calvin Johnson will be the next Michael Westbrook.

Adrian Peterson will be the next Eric Dickerson.

Jamarcus Russell will be the next Daunte Culpepper.

Laron Landry will be the next Ed Reed.

Amobi Okoye will be the next Pillsbury Doughboy.

Please pick carefully.

Posted by: RC | April 18, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I understand the argument, to a point, that you pick the best player available at the pick at the time . . . BUT let me put it out there one more time. Top 5 or even 10 needs of the Skins?

I'll start:

1. DT
2. DE
3. aging LB corps
4. CB
5. aging o-line
6. Safety
7. kicker
8. back-up QB
9. blocking TE/FB
10. punter

Have it and me my fellow hamsters!

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you Nate, Kings of Leon rule! They toured here with Pearl Jam last year, awesome gig!

Posted by: Kost52 | April 18, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Old School is right on. Stay away from the sexy WRs. If Brady Quinn is still there at six, you better take him. JC or no JC.

Posted by: dmoney | April 18, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

mugamack, I don't remember and neither si.com nor espn.com gave me a search bar (could have been foxsports.com or sportsline.com too). It was an article where he gave a short interview to a national media guy, talking about thinking about trading down, but how it takes two parties to do it ... and how all the teams want to be down in the second and third round because that's where all the value is. [to me, he was talking about risk/reward/salary-type issues.]

sfskin, you forgot about the glaring need at PPP (personal punter protector) due to the Archuleta departure. Seriously, the Skins don't have any needs, only 'really wants'. That said, DE is higher than DT ... and after DE, everything else is tied for second.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

By the way J-La I just have to say that I didn't realize how much I missed the the festival of bad spelling that are your posts until you came back. The daddy exhaustion must be contributing. Keep it up!

"Flanyl" is that the polish spelling for finally?

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

And Lance Briggs in Washington would be the new Adam Archuleta.

Posted by: RC | April 18, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

RC, you gotta admit though, he would personally punter protect his guts out.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I've got a fever. And the only prescription is for more cowbell...

Posted by: 'canes fan (not Miami) | April 18, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Krumrie was great at the time of that injury. He was never the same afterwards. That super bowl began to turn as soon as he was injured. So, instead of Wyche and Boomer, we got Montana to Taylor in the last seconds. Maybe the 49ers would have won anyway, but they barely pulled it off w/o the Bengals unsung hero on the field.

Posted by: Chris | April 18, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Trade up only makes sense if you get the big OT from Wisconsin or the WR from Georgia Tech. Oakland will draft a QB cuz no QB wants to play behind that line. Sounds like 2 QBs will be gone in the top 5. Skins trading down makes little sense. The Skins have 3 distinct needs. D line, WR and O line. And there should be a stud at #6.

LB should be a solved issue with MLB Fletcher ... since Washington and Marshall are both decent OLBs. And McIntosh adds depth. Skins have enough DBs that some combo should be OK ... as long as Springs is still here. The WR opposite Santana is a huge issue as ARE is a good 3rd but Lloyd is a disaster. DT is good if Griff is healthy but thats a huge if. DE is a need though Carter could be better and make that less urgent. O line has no depth. Its aging and Jansen and Samuels have both been slowed by injuries. We live or die with our QB this season and next. RB and TE are solid.

Posted by: AL | April 18, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

about $60 million of guaranteed money tied up in this teams top 2 tackles and its top 3 WRs. under NO circumstance would trading up to take a T or WR make one bit of sense. it's fools' gold.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

sween - I also read that article which had Gibbs saying the value picks were in the 2nd-3rd round, was it Redskins.com??

I also read about how Krumrie destroyed Branch, but has anyone heard if he tortured any other players? I guess if he wasn't the only player who struggled at the work out, it might put him in a better light.

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I think the skins should take Jamaal Anderson, trading back for him makes sense, because he'll probably still be available. The good thing about him, is like Okoye, you know that they have a big upside. Also with Anderson, due to his WR background, he can probably play TE in goal line situations to give Soup a big target!

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs on moving down and the value of the second round picks (bottom of page 1).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/28/owners.snaps/index.html?eref=si_nfl

Posted by: RC | April 18, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's the closest I could find to Joe saying he valued lower picks:

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=24982

Gibbs also seems pretty comfortable at #6.

kost52, love the idea of Anderson as a TD target for Soup.

Posted by: mugamack | April 18, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Ok...some of the latest talk is that Okoye was ask on a questionnaire (or in the combine interviews) if he has ever smoked weed...and he admitted that he had. Seems Calvin Johnson and one other high draft prospect (can't remember the name) also indicated they have experimented as well.

This was reported by Schefter who said he thinks it will be discussed and might factor into Okoye's draft status.

I mean, c'mon, these are college kids....of course they have smoked week at one time or another.

Posted by: Lisa | April 18, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and do you punish them for being honest? Or do you prefer that they do a Pacman, and hide it, only to be found out later!

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I saw the Kings of Leon open for Bob Dylan in Lincoln, Neb. The first couple of songs they played were not very good and were only about 1.5 to 2 minutes long, but then they turned out to be pretty good. Only thing I could complain about is there were no instumental solos or jams, and that is what I love about live concerts.

Anyway, I am getting in late on this post, but I say we trade down and get a second round pick and maybe a 3rd or 4th round with it. We take Carriker, who in my opinion is the best rounded DE in the draft, and if we can get the kicker Mason Crosby from Colorado. I do not have confidence in our kicking game, even if he did finish the year decently. I would be nice to have the confidence to kick a 55 yard FG with the game on the line. But if we stay at #6 i am coming around to Lx2. I think that Okoye is overrated, just cause he is 19 doesn't make me want him. I think that would make it more difficult for him to make an impact this year because of lack of experience or physical developement, but I do think he may be the better player in 2 or 3 years. The main thing is we need help now and I think Carriker has more potential to do that.

I think they will likely take Lx2 if they don't trade down, but they will go down if it is possible.

Posted by: gethanr13 | April 18, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Now that Carolina is putting Kris Jenkins on the trading block I am curious what other think about the skins trading with Carolina and giving them the 6th pick in exchange for their 14th pick and Kris Jenkins. Jamaal Anderson would most likely still be available at 14 and by doing this trade you could get a pass rushing DE and a probowl run stuffing DT. Caolina is in desperate need of help at saftey and I believe they would trade up to take LaRon Landry.

Posted by: mr209 | April 18, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I am also completely against Gaines Adams, there is just no need for 2 speed rusher DEs. AKA undersized and easily pushed around on rushing plays

Posted by: gethanr13 | April 18, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Ok. So here's how I see it. If I'm the GM, I work my tail off to trade down and get Carriker, then take an O-line project in a later round to replace Dockery (let Wade start, but give us something for the future). If we never did the Duckett Deal last year, I would have used that draft pick to trade up and take CJ - I mean, why not, the guy's a beast, and "Pearls" (was that the name some guy was calling Lloyd at TC last year?) was obviously not the best choice of reciever last year.

Here's what Danny does - trade away next years top 2 round draft picks to move up and get CJ (if there's a partner). If no one wants to take that deal (but who wouldn't?) then they probably stay put and draft Adams or Branch, depending on who is left. He then flies him in on Redskins 1 and makes him the new face of the franchise - here comes the Super Bowl, baby!

Posted by: 4 skinz | April 18, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Jamal Anderson is being interviewed on NFL Total Access right this minute. He is such a personable guy. Said he will be visting Washington next week. Has already visited a few other teams.

Posted by: Lisa | April 18, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Jamaal Anderson is on the NFL Network now. Seems like a good kid. He mentioned that he had been here (among several other places). He was asked who seemed the most interested. He said all of the teams he had visited seemed interested, so he wasn't really sure where he might likely end up. He just said he hoped to get picked somewhere in the top 10-15 spots.

Posted by: JustMe | April 18, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Seems like I misheard him on the timing of his visit (thanks Lisa). But, we agree about the way he presented himself. He'll be a good guy for someone to have on their team.

Posted by: JustMe | April 18, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

mr209 - I agree, and must admit I'm very surprised that there's been zero talk about the Redskins being interested in Jenkins. I thought the second anyone was put on the the trading block, we were the first team linked to him! I think Dan is losing it!!

To me it makes sense to swap 1st round picks, and we get Jenkins, then we could use #14 on Carriker or Anderson. Which upgrades our D Line in a big way, and allows us to use our late round picks on securing depth at other positions. Earlier people were saying Branch will get an attitude and play great next season, I'm reading the same about Jenkins, even though he hasn't showed up at Carolina yet, he's working his (considerably large) butt off, and has adapted an "I'll show you" mentality

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

A probowl DT to move up 8 spots? I doubt Carolina would make that deal, but if they were willing, the Redskins should take the deal and run with it. kost52 has the right idea - Carriker or Anderson should be there at 14.

Posted by: mugamack | April 18, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

How can an "aging LB corps" or "aging o-line" be a need? Seems like these needs have already been met.

Posted by: Tom S | April 18, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

mugamack -

I know what you mean, but I remember reading somewhere that the Panthers would be looking at a 2 Rnd pick for Jenkins, according to the Draft Trade Chart, 2 Rnd picks are worth between 580 and 270 points, and a move from #14 to #6 is worth 500 points. So it's probably close to being value for both teams, if anything we might get a late round pick thrown in as well.

If there was interest, and I haven't heard there's any, it would depend on how much the Panthers like Landry. Maybe they plan on staying put and taking Olsen?

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Is somebody out there tasked with asking everyone if they've smoked weed? When did this start? When exactly did people start being honest in answering? How long have I been asleep? The POTUS once claimed he didn't know how to inhale. The equivalent of saying he did not know how to breathe. Who would answer this question honestly?

Posted by: SMACK | April 18, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Also, where is Kris Jenkins currently working out with a personal trainer?? Maryland.

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, the standby best way to answer any tough question is with another question.

There was quite a bit of discussion about Kris Jenkins earlier this week? Last week? Maybe on that 784 post thread called "Schedule"? I have this vague recollection about RI peeps thinking he was an overweight drunk coming off an injury somewhere between his toe and his hip (knee?), something like either damaged goods or attitude liability or something like that. He lost his starting job to a new guy, but I say invite him in anyway.

Anyway mugamack, and thanks to RC for finding the link to the Banks article, What Joe says actually is a little obtuse b/c his use of pronouns misdirects ... is he talking about the Skins and himself or about other teams?

"From what you hear, your best bargains this year will be in the second round,'' Gibbs said. "That's where a lot of the players are. It's almost as if once you get past all the hype of the first round, that's where all the guys that you want will be.''

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Article on draft prospects puffing the maryjane. Seriously what percentage of guys getting drafted haven't gotten lifted at least once in their lives. Gotta be less than 25%.

http://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/1378663/detail.html

As far as Jenkins, I doubt Carolina would be using the draft chart. They are looking to pick up an extra selection in the value rounds (2nd or 3rd) and it seems like in this draft the players picked between 6 and 15 are not that different in skill level. Plus the lower you pick the cheaper to sign.

Posted by: cdubb | April 18, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, the standby best way to answer any tough question is with another question

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 09:40 PM

Like "Why, can you still smell it?"

Posted by: SMACK | April 18, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I smell it, let me inhale it.

Posted by: Snoop | April 18, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Anyone seen this Peter King piece?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/15/draft/index.html

If what Peter says is truly the feeling among GMs, throw out that point system. The 6th pick is worth more this year than it would be under normal circumstances. Moving down and getting more picks (an additional pick over what you would have rec'd in another year) in later rounds may be the order of the day come the 28th. If the price isn't right, then the 'Skins' "honey do" list better include doing the Landry.

Posted by: LH | April 18, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

i would entertain thoughts of trading ladell betts, i know he had a good season,but he fumbles too much, and you know teams around the league will be going after the ball everytime he touches it, you still got rock cartright, get value for betts while you can, cause with a healthy portis he probably doesn't repeat the same year, and starts to lose value

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Hmm Jamaal Anderson into the top ten? Could that be Washington??

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Like "Why, can you still smell it?"

Posted by: SMACK | April 18, 2007 09:53 PM

Let's try this again.

Interviewer: Mr. SMACK, have you ever smoke weed?

SMACK: What kind of INTERVIEW is this? Are you trying to sell me DRUGS?? I have one line for you, Mister, just say NO to drugs.

[Then quickly move on to another subject to distract and confuse the interviewer ... maybe something about another player who had problems with drugs or alcohol, then into the accomplishments of that player, and the player's team, continually circling away from the topic of the question ... avoid the followup ... memory is all about recency and latency ... what the interviewer will remember is INTERVIEW - DRUGS - NO ... at least until the play back the tape ... and decide to ask a few follow up questions ....]

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Your honor, I swear I am not acquainted with anyone known as "dealer".

Posted by: SMACK | April 18, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Rare, nobody's listening anyway, late night music recco's. North Mississippi Allstars are incredible. And Son Volt is on Letterman tonight. I thought nothing might make me laugh this week, but the Post did list them as "singer Son Volt". By the way, which one's Pink? I still stand by my Best Newspaper Comment though.

Posted by: SMACK | April 18, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I think if Russell and Quinn are taken prior to our pick then it is likely that Adrian Peterson will be there and a possible trade with Buffalo for swap of 1st round #6 and #12 and a second round #43.

At 12 we may still get Branch or possibly Okoye and then at #43 we may have the option of a decent DE or OG

Posted by: Jim | April 18, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Please!!! If anyone writes again about trading Betts I think I will scream! We have went over this time and time AGAIN on the blog. Gibbs (and Saunders) love Betts and embrace the idea of two quality backs. After what happened to Portis last season there is no way Betts is going anywhere.

Posted by: Lisa | April 18, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

This from Hailredskins.com -


A ton of NFL Mock Drafts are trying to decide between Clemson DE Gaines Adams and Arkansas DE Jamaal Anderson. Perhaps they may want to rethink that. According to our source, the Redskins are not real high on Adams. Redskins want an immediate impact guy and they do not

believe Adams is such a player. As for Jamaal Anderson, my personal choice, the Redskins do like him, but according to our source, the Redskins believe he will be good, but is a year or two away and the Redskins are certainly known around the league as the most impatient team. BUT, if the Redskins slip back in the draft to say 10 to 15, Jamaal Anderson, according to our source, would indeed by a high interest. Perhaps that is the reason Rocky McIntosh appears to be in the dog house, because he was not ready to step right in, despite all the upswing many around the league see in McIntosh. Skins want immediate impact and they do not think Anderson can provide that.It is pretty apparent, because everyone in the NFL knows the Redskins want to trade out of sixth, it is not like the Redskins front office is very good at holding in information or masking intentions, the Redskins clearly want to trade down. BUT, if they could not, and that is a possibility, who do they like at $6? Our source tells us the Redskins do indeed like Louisville DT Amobi Okoye. Okoye's strengths are his size, run defense and ability to tie up multiple blockers, something the Redskins need. he had 55 tackles and 8 sacks last year, showing marked improvement in his ability to get tot he QB. Skins do like Okoye and he could be a player to keep an eye on.

Mind you I think this was before Landry worked out for the team.

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

That ends up being the big-ticket question, doesn't it? Do you think that the skins can be very competitive this year, perhaps go deep in the playoffs, maybe even appear as this year's sacrifice to the AFC Champions? If you do, the biggest question you have to answer is "who will start fastest in the 2-3 positions of greatest need?"

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 19, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

I'd say the answer to that would be either Landry, or Branch.

Posted by: kost52 | April 19, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Or more realistically the player who will most likely have the biggest immediate impact would be Calvin Johnson. Unfortunately.

Posted by: kost52 | April 19, 2007 12:31 AM | Report abuse

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-04-18-dline-preview_N.htm?csp=34

It sucks, I never get to join in when the peak hour blogging is going on!!

Posted by: kost52 | April 19, 2007 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Just had to answer the Entourage doubts...

Entourage has always, always, always been about Ari and E. Vince is just the central conceit, he's not the story. He never has been.

Now, what they've done with Ari in putting him on the periphery is actually interesting. However, they're executing the story in as dull a manner as possible. What they need to do is shake up the hierarchy. Vince's "principles" need to have him sitting out for a while, while Drama and Turtle's respective careers take a huge leap forward. Effectively, you put Vince in the has-been category (fairly common in Hollywood) and his friends in the here-and-now category. You then force Vince to go groveling back to Ari, who can save and resurrect his career.

The writers aren't this smart though. They just want to parade hot chicks and their great boobs around. Which, honestly, is fine with me, because this show (whether it listens to me or not) will never enter the great Pantheon of television with Seinfeld, Cheers, MASH, All in the Family, and the like. Show me some great boobs, I'm happy, thank you very much.

Nevertheless, something similar to what I've described is how this show lasts another 3 seasons...

Posted by: P Diddy | April 19, 2007 1:52 AM | Report abuse

1) I have discovered a super tight band called : 'Mew'. I encourage all to be witness. Filthy indie rock band from Denmark. Really unique sound.

2) I went to high school with most of 'The Walkmen' and they have a song in Spiderman 3. That movie looks like they got it right. It can be like #2 never happened.

3) In response to a previous thread, the brandwich (breakfast sandwich) at Tim Horton's is wondrous. There is a TH .5 kilometers from my hotel...which is like 48 feet I think.

4) I just got angry by myself in my hotel room as I pictured Jarvis Hayes missing open jumpers in the upcoming Cleveland series.

5) What do people have planned for draft day? JLC or Cyn City, will there be a running diary or something? I'm up here with no ESPN and gravy on french fries.

6) I miss you all like Zach missed Kelly before she joined the cast of 'the college years'

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | April 19, 2007 2:01 AM | Report abuse

>>> "I miss you all like Zach missed Kelly before she joined the cast of 'the college years'"

Mmmmmm...Kelly Kapowski. Mmmmmmm.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 19, 2007 2:14 AM | Report abuse

>>> "It can be like #2 never happened."

Really? I thought the Spider-Man movies have both been great. Spidey 3 is awesome, by the way. It's going to blow people away.

Then again, I adored "Superman Returns". The sequel is going through all manner of trouble, from what I hear. Gah!

Posted by: P Diddy | April 19, 2007 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Spidey 3 looks awesome. I'm hoping to catch Grindhouse and Hot Fuzz in the next week or so, if I can sneak out of the house or something. (I get the pop culture stuff when I can.)

Hot Fuzz is the same dudes from Shaun of the Dead, which is only one of the funniest movies of the past coupla years and a spot-on parody of zombie flicks.

Anybody seen Grindhouse and have thoughts to share? You know you love Kurt Russell, too, just admit it.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 19, 2007 3:18 AM | Report abuse

AMTTS, we miss you too, brother. Keep the faith up there above the border. (Of COURSE there's a Tim Horton's eight metres from your hotel. There's another one seven metres beyond THAT one.)

Are you talking about plain old french fries and gravy, or the Great White Northern delicacy poutine, with the cheese curds? If they could just work maple into that somehow it would be the greatest dish ever.

(There is a maple bacon donut at Voodoo Donuts of Portland, a local punk rock institution. We can go grab a couple of those after your set at Harvey's Ha-Ha Hut or whatever the PDX comedy club is called.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 19, 2007 3:22 AM | Report abuse

Really hope we have live blog action from Cyn City next Saturday if not Sunday as well. That's moving weekend for us, getting into our new place, and I look forward to catching up with all the excitement via the blog... which has become almost the only conduit through which sports news reaches me.

It's like when I realized The Daily Show had become my #1 source for news news. That was a few months before I had to stop watching even the Daily Show because everything stopped being funny after Bush 'won' that freakin' second election. Aaaargh.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 19, 2007 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Sween;

The way you answer the question on whether or not you smoke weed, you reply

"I dont DO Pot"

The complete lack of coolness or slang in your answer should be enough to keep you in the clear.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 19, 2007 7:23 AM | Report abuse

To anyone who thinks that we must take Brady Quinn or Jamarcus Russel in round 1, I say forget the hammer to the back of the head you need a rubber mallet to the scrotum. It'll hurt like hell but won't leave a mark. Here are all the QB's drafted since 1993. Why '93? See 5th & 8th round picks.


1993
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Drew Bledsoe QB Washington State
1 2 Rick Mirer QB Notre Dame
3 58 Billy Joe Hobert QB Washington
5 118 Mark Brunell QB Washington
7 192 Gino Torretta QB Miami
8 216 Alex Van Pelt QB Pittsburgh
8 219 Elvis Grbac QB Michigan
8 222 Trent Green QB Indiana

1994
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Heath Shuler QB Tennessee
1 6 Trent Dilfer QB Fresno State
4 111 Perry Klein QB C.W. Post
4 116 Doug Nussmeier QB Idaho
6 178 Jim Miller QB Michigan State
7 197 Gus Frerotte QB Tulsa
7 198 Jay Walker QB Howard
7 199 Steve Matthews QB Memphis
7 208 Glenn Foley QB Boston College

1995
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Steve McNair QB Alcorn State
1 5 Kerry Collins QB Penn State
2 45 Todd Collins QB Michigan
2 60 Kordell Stewart QB Colorado
3 80 Stoney Case QB New Mexico
3 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia
4 99 Rob Johnson QB Southern California
4 111 Chad May QB Kansas State
4 119 Dave Barr QB California
4 134 Steve Stenstrom QB Stanford
5 160 Jay Barker QB Alabama
6 191 Jerry Colquitt QB Tennessee
6 197 Craig Whelihan QB Pacific
7 213 John Walsh QB Brigham Young

1996
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 42 Tony Banks QB Michigan State
3 85 Bobby Hoying QB Ohio State
4 100 Jeff Lewis QB Northern Arizona
4 130 Danny Kanell QB Florida State
6 203 Spence Fischer QB Duke
6 205 Mike Cawley QB James Madison
7 238 Jon Stark QB Trinity, Ill.
7 240 Kyle Wachholtz QB Southern California

1997
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 26 Jim Druckenmiller QB Virginia Tech
2 42 Jake Plummer QB Arizona State
4 99 Danny Wuerffel QB Florida
4 110 Pat Barnes QB California
6 171 Mike Cherry QB Murray State
6 191 Chuck Clements QB Houston
7 204 Tony Graziani QB Oregon
7 207 Koy Detmer QB Colorado
7 234 Wally Richardson QB Penn State
7 237 Tony Corbin QB Sacramento State
7 240 Ronnie McAda QB Army

1998
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee
1 2 Ryan Leaf QB Washington State
2 60 Charlie Batch QB Eastern Michigan
3 86 Jonathan Quinn QB Middle Tennessee
3 91 Brian Griese QB Michigan
6 172 John Dutton QB Nevada
6 187 Matt Hasselbeck QB Boston College
7 232 Moses Moreno QB Colorado State

1999
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Tim Couch QB Kentucky
1 2 Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse
1 3 Akili Smith QB Oregon
1 11 Daunte Culpepper QB Central Florida
1 12 Cade McNown QB UCLA
2 50 Shaun King QB Tulane
3 77 Brock Huard QB Washington
4 101 Joe Germaine QB Ohio State
4 131 Aaron Brooks QB Virginia
5 151 Kevin Daft QB Cal-Davis
7 227 Michael Bishop QB Kansas State
7 239 Chris Greisen QB N.W. Missouri
7 245 Scott Covington QB Miami

2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 18 Chad Pennington QB Marshall
3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi QB Hofstra
3 75 Chris Redman QB Louisville
5 163 Tee Martin QB Tennessee
6 168 Marc Bulger QB West Virginia
6 183 Spergon Wynn QB S.W. Texas State
6 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan
6 202 Todd Husak QB Stanford
6 205 JaJuan Seider QB Florida A&M
7 212 Tim Rattay QB Louisiana Tech
7 214 Jarious Jackson QB Notre Dame
7 234 Joe Hamilton QB Georgia Tech

2001
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech
2 32 Drew Brees QB Purdue
2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington
4 106 Chris Weinke QB Florida State
4 109 Sage Rosenfels QB Iowa State
4 125 Jesse Palmer QB Florida
5 149 Mike McMahon QB Rutgers
5 155 A.J. Feeley QB Oregon
6 172 Josh Booty QB Louisiana State
6 177 Josh Heupel QB Oklahoma

2002
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 David Carr QB Fresno State
1 3 Joey Harrington QB Oregon
1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
3 81 Josh McCown QB Sam Houston State
4 108 David Garrard QB East Carolina
4 117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State
5 137 Randy Fasani QB Stanford
5 158 Kurt Kittner QB Illinois
5 163 Brandon Doman QB Brigham Young
5 164 Craig Nall QB Northwestern State, La.
6 186 J.T. O'Sullivan QB Cal-Davis
7 216 Seth Burford QB Cal Poly-SLO
7 232 Jeff Kelly QB Southern Mississippi
7 236 Wes Pate QB Stephen F. Austin

2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Carson Palmer QB Southern California
1 7 Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
1 19 Kyle Boller QB California
1 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida
3 88 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
3 97 Chris Simms QB Texas
4 110 Seneca Wallace QB Iowa State
5 163 Brian St. Pierre QB Boston College
6 192 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 200 Brooks Bollinger QB Wisconsin
6 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech
7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana
7 241 Ken Dorsey QB Miami

2004
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Eli Manning QB Mississippi
1 4 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State
1 11 Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami, O.
1 22 J.P. Losman QB Tulane
3 90 Matt Schaub QB Virginia
4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech
5 148 Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State
6 185 Andy Hall QB Delaware
6 187 Josh Harris QB Bowling Green
6 193 Jim Sorgi QB Wisconsin
6 201 Jeff Smoker QB Michigan State
7 202 John Navarre QB Michigan
7 217 Cody Pickett QB Washington
7 218 Casey Bramlet QB Wyoming
7 225 Matt Mauck QB Louisiana State
7 248 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
7 250 Bradlee Van Pelt QB Colorado State

2005
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah
1 24 Aaron Rodgers QB California
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn
3 67 Charlie Frye QB Akron
3 69 Andrew Walter QB Arizona State
3 85 David Greene QB Georgia
4 106 Kyle Orton QB Purdue
4 121 Stefan LeFors QB Louisville
5 145 Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut
5 152 Adrian McPherson QB Florida State
6 213 Derek Anderson QB Oregon State
7 229 James Kilian QB Tulsa
7 230 Matt Cassel QB Southern California
7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick QB Harvard

2006
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Vince Young QB Texas
1 10 Matt Leinart QB Southern California
1 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
2 49 Kellen Clemens QB Oregon
2 64 Tarvaris Jackson QB Alabama State
3 81 Charlie Whitehurst QB Clemson
3 85 Brodie Croyle QB Alabama
5 148 Ingle Martin QB Furman
5 164 Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo
7 223 D.J. Shockley QB Georgia

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I also looked at the history of the DE in the draft. Overall, not too good. A few observations. Of the 39 DE's taken in the entire draft in the last two years, only Tamba Hali has had an impact on his team with 8 sacks and an interception.

Usually it takes 2 or 3 years for the DE to develop.

Talent at the DE seems to run in 4 or 5 year cycles. [(2002) J. Peppers, D. Freeney, C. Grant, and K. Edwards all picked in the first 35 picks.] [(1997) K. Lang, R. Wynn, M. Wiley and J. Taylor were drafted. (Not the greatest class but still in the league.)] Maybe this is a good year.

For every Jon Abraham there is a Courney Brown or Mike Mamula. Also, there are guys in the later rounds that make impacts but at an even lower % than the 1st round. Many 1st round guys like, Kenard Lang, have longevity in the league, but never live up to expectations.

Here is the list of DE's picked in the top 10 since '93.

1993
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 5 John Copeland DE Alabama
1 6 Eric Curry DE Alabama

1994
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 7 Bryant Young DE Notre Dame

1995
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 6 Kevin Carter DE Florida
1 7 Mike Mamula DE Boston College

1996
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Simeon Rice DE Illinois
1 5 Cedric Jones DE Oklahoma

1998
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Andre Wadsworth DE Florida State
1 6 Grant Wistrom DE Nebraska

2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Courtney Brown DE Penn State

2001
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 4 Justin Smith DE Missouri
1 6 Richard Seymour DE Georgia
1 7 Andre Carter DE California

2002
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 2 Julius Peppers DE North Carolina

2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 10 Terrell Suggs DE Arizona State

2006
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Mario Williams DE North Carolina State

Maybe three guys who met or exceeded expectations?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Kris Jenkins? Why does this excite people? A 335 lb. 28 year-old guy who has some wear and tear. At best he is Big Daddy for the 'skins at worst he's Dana Stubblefield. Sounds like Carolina trying to get back at us for them taking Sean Gilbert.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

bangkok ben;

you should have posted the QB's for each year in separate posts.... gotta get to 50K by Apr 28th!

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 19, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

refresh my memory, what did we get for Sean Gilbert?
I think we traded a #1 for him, and then he left after about two years, is that about right?

Did he leave as a FA and we got nothing in return?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 19, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I'm curious about Grindhouse, but not optimistic. I thought Kill Bill (volumes 1 and 2) had some good dialogue, but Tarantino doesn't leave enough on the editing room floor. Rodriguez is the reason I'm curious.

I saw a GREAT movie a few weeks ago, probably gone by now, but wait for it on DVD. The Host. Korean sea monster movie. Like the genre of Godzilla, Rodan, Gamara, only with CGI. Best monster in years -- up there with Alien and Tremors -- and it appears early and often. The movie covers nearly every genre of movie at some point: comedy, slapstick comedy, drama, tragedy, romance, bravado (like westerns/samurai), irony, allegory, it has it all. Plus -- the best thing -- government, at every level is completely inept (or confused or incompetent).

kost, the Hailredskins.com text makes a point I've been trying to make -- the Skins are only about a preseason's worth of undrafted rookie talent upgrades away from being good to go with the CURRENT roster. Notice how the writer gives cred to Phillip Daniels without blinking. Also, on that link to the usatoday.com story about D-lineman, read about how the other teams have real 'needs' due to individual players. Daniels may need updating, but he's not the basketcase problem some of those other guys are. The most interesting of the teams described in the usatoday.com article is the Texans. Three new fresh starters at OLB, DE, and CB, with the proposition that one more guy at DT might make the difference for them in their division. Not every player has to be the dude. Just a few and then a "team" can take the field ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 19, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

RR - not sure how we got Gilbert, someone else will have to help on that. But we stole 2 first rounders when Carolina signed him while he was under our franchise tag. Don't think that has happened since and doubt it ever will since teams work out trades for guys under the tag.

Posted by: cdubb | April 19, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

We got Gilbert from the Rams but for what I don't know. Franchised Gilbert in '97 and he sat out. Tagged him again in '98. I think Carolina had to give up two #1's for him, but I can't confirm it. There was a player grievance from NFLPA that was supposed to go to court and 'skins said that they would trade for just one #1. We probably traded that pick for Brad Johnson. I can't recall or confirm.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

cdubb - The good old days, when the draft mattered to the Redskins. I remember that draft. we had 3 first rounds picks that year. Traded two to move up and selected LaVar and Samuels.

Posted by: BT | April 19, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Still remembering that draft...Just think, things could be worse, we could we talking about using our 1st rd pick (like the Raiders did that year) on a kicker (Janakoski sp?)

Posted by: BT | April 19, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Here's some pre-draft speculation from April 15, 1997. [Concerns D.C. and Sean Gilbert.]

Don't underestimate the willingness of teams to make blockbuster trades come Draft Day. One NFL GM speculated Tuesday the reason the Carolina Panthers and Washington Redskins haven't consummated the deal that would send disgruntled defensive lineman Sean Gilbert to the Panthers is that Carolina wants to leave its options open for a possible trade up in the draft.

The Panthers won't have that option if they finalize the deal for Gilbert because it will cost them, in all likelihood, at least a first- and third-round pick because Gilbert was named the Redskins' franchise player. If the two teams don't agree and the deal falls through, Carolina would have those picks to toss around.

One scenario if the deal for Gilbert falls through: The Panthers could package a few picks, maybe a couple marquee players - say, throw in QB Kerry Collins -- and trade to the No. 1 spot to get Manning or Leaf.

This one's not totally farfetched, either. Colts president Bill Polian always has liked Collins, and if he can get a quarterback he fancies, several proven players and a couple key draft picks, the Colts could get rebuilt in a hurry. . . .

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:27 AM | Report abuse

That Sean Gilbert thing was definitely a case of lemons magically turning to lemonade. Didn't he sit out some or all of a season, either because of or resulting in the tag designation, and sit at home in PA or somewhere? I remember what a disaster that seemed like... and then we suddenly got two #1s for him from stupid Carobama.

It was, like, the opposite of Riggo sitting out and then coming back to be our biggest star. Or something.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 19, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Why are we discussing this. Everyone knows the FO will trade all of this years picks plus all of next year for a 35 year old LB, that will never play a down. Then they will give him a new contract for all the cap that they can.

Posted by: Disenchanted Fan | April 19, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

That's right 3 #1's in one year...final result, one starting left tackle.

Yes, Sean Gilbert did sit out all of '97.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or is anyone else sick of hearing about the VT shooter's history? I don't give a shti about his problems and hope he rots in hell.

If the media wants to cover something, pay tribute to the inocent people killed. The shooter's past is not worth my time learing. What a loser...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

35 year-old LB's are hard to come by. I'd give it all for Monte Colmen just for nostalgia.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

wow - everyone is in a foul mood today. Why are we talking about Sean Gilbert? Who cares?!

I think we will all be very surprised (in a good way) with this years draft.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | April 19, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

You mean like Micheal Barrow?

Posted by: BT | April 19, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

35 year-old LB's that actually play.

Hail,
nobody cares, but were on a quest for 50K.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Barrow does come to mind. Or it could be a broke down CB (Neon). But they will find someway to break all our hearts.

Posted by: Disenchanted Fan | April 19, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Just flashed on a faint memory of Monte Coleman on the sideline late in a game, holding up his helmet by the facemask, exhorting the insane RFK crowd to roar ever louder... *sigh*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 19, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Monte Coleman's stats at age 35.
Year AGE Team LG GP SK SFY INT YDS LNG TD 1993 35 WAS NFL 14 6.0 0 2 27 14 0

Six sacks! That's all-world for this D!

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Hail to 'em, we ALL want good news on draft day! But as we wait, and in the absence of any real news, we gotta talk about something.

Whaddya wanna talk about? Give us a topic to lift the foul mood.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 19, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Imagine Peyton Manning in a Panthers uniform for the last 8 years.

Way to stay positive Disenchanted. I am trying to stay optomistic but may be joining you soon if they trade for Briggs or some other dumb a*s move. Got to be stay at 6 or drop down a few slots.

Posted by: cdubb | April 19, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Try again.

Monte Coleman's stats at age 35.
Year AGE Team LG GP SK SFY INT YDS LNG TD
1993 35 WAS NFL 14 6.0 0 2 27 14 0

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

actually - I am enjoying the Monte Coleman talk. One of my all time favorites. You guys remember Otis Wonsley? One of the most unselfish players of all times.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | April 19, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Otis Wonsley! Has anyone wore #39 since?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Here's his stats, but we remember him for the blocks.

Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1981 was | 15 | 3 11 3.7 0 | 1 5 5.0 0 |
| 1982 was | 9 | 11 36 3.3 0 | 1 1 1.0 1 |
| 1983 was | 16 | 25 88 3.5 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1984 was | 16 | 18 38 2.1 4 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1985 was | 16 | 4 8 2.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Kerry Carter wears it now - (not for long)

Posted by: Hail to 'em | April 19, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Otis' only post-season carries.
1983 ram W,51-7 | 2 3 0 | 0 0 0

The most memorable play in that game?

D. Green running down Eric Dickerson from behind despite the score. Glory!

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

New Post! beep beep!

Posted by: dcsween | April 19, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

But has anyone worn it in an actual game?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 19, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman, I think you meant to say "Johnson, Adams and Okoye decide to answer team interview questions truthfully."

Posted by: dcsween | April 19, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

My favorite memory of Monte Coleman was standing next to him in a very slow line at Popeye's Chicken in Sterling, VA one evening. He was on his way home from practice. Definitely a very nice, funny and easygoing person. Also quite impressive in terms of his size/physique. It was easy to understand why people ran away from Monte as quickly as they could.

Posted by: RC | April 19, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Not opposed to trading down, but have some negative thoughts in what they will do with the additional picks, and do not think there a major market for folks wanting to trade up and forego other picks. Cj is no lock. I suggest they stay at 6 and take the DL from Louisville or the DE. I still think there's a twist out there. I can see Russell dropping and effecting Quin. I think folks are drooling over Petersen more than we know.

Posted by: RobGreg | April 19, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

My preference would be to have offers on the table on draft day and sit wait to see what unfolds before they make any decisions. Although Landry is clearly the #1 DB in the draft Brandon Merriweather from Miami is not too far behind. If they can find a way to get a needed D-lineman and Merriweather it will be a highly sucessful draft. Possibly their most successful draft since they had the Number 2 and 3 picks a few years back with Samuels and Lavar.

Posted by: Eazy413 | April 19, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

LL has the size and speed of bust corner rogers. with springs and smoot at cb's why not put rogers in the safety spot instead of LL. If you draft LL then that means Rogers, a high first round pick, is our nickel back? why dont we draft a solid dime corner with this pick to solidify our 3rd and long and prevent defenses LMAO

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

atlanta likes okoye enough to trade down from 8spot to 6spot now can the skins get falcons high 2nd round along with it that is one scenario if that happens i execute that trade then the jets are interested in Carriker and to get him they were offering 25th pick and 59th pick now i don't know if that is enough to move in the 8th spot if they throw next years 4th round along with it then i execute that trade this way the skins have 4 selection in the top 60 picks here is something else i trade down from 40 to 46 and pick up another 3rd round pick so if all of this pannes out you'll have 1stround 2 2ndround 1 3rdround 1 5round 2 6th round 1 7th round total of eight picks

Posted by: armen | April 19, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Should trade down and get more picks, if those picks are low first or high second round. In later rounds, picks have shown not to be of value to this personnel team.

Will probably stay put and produce a head-scratcher -- such as Adrian Peterson or Landry -- at non-need positions. Peterson not needed for obvious reasons. Landry not needed because Prioleau and Springs can be great complements to Taylor from those players already on hand.

Sad about Arrington. What a waste of a brilliant talent. Could have been. Should have been. Wasn't. That's his epitaph.

Despite the imminent draft blunders, I am optimistic about next year. Saunders year two, with some Gibbs smashmouth introduced. Then, a big ego defense staff that got pie in the face last year. Double G and the gang should be looking for redemption, harping on last year to beat the defensive players into a frenzy.

Posted by: Should and Will | April 19, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Same old topic

Posted by: Whats up with the blog | April 25, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

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