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You Make the Call: The Redskins' Record

It's your turn to predict the lads' regular-season record. And, no, we refuse to acknowledge the possibility of ties.


By Cindy Boren  |  September 8, 2009; 12:30 PM ET
 
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I'll go with 8-8 just so that I don't kill myself if they have another collapse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 8, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

They're playing the Lambs, the Lions and the AFC West this year.

11-5 is doable.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: McMetal | September 8, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Zorn on ESPN980 talking O-line.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 8, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

ARE should be an un-named option. If the D's forget about him, we can reap nice gains.

As in the beginning: 10-6 Make the playoffs...

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Posted by: McMetal | September 8, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Websense = worst invention ever.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

PR -- I just remember way too many games against the Giants where the Skins got very predictable: run-run-incomplete-punt. Over and over again. When they finally tried passing on first down, it was obvious they could not run it on first down.

I think a pass -- NOT THE 2 YARD OUT -- on first down has a good chance of making yards. Most coaches will want to run something safe, get their QB in a rhythm, get the jitters out, etc. Which is why everybody expects it. I disagree with the "I know you know I know" approach of everybody expecting the pass because they expect the run. It's overthinking the problem, because then you should pass because their expecting the pass because they're expecting the run. See "Vincini vs The Man in Black" for a canonical explanation.

So, open with a gadget, if it works lots of laughing and scratching on the sideline. If it doesn't you shrug and say it was low percentage anyway.

If you do something safe and get stuffed, then what?

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: McMetal | September 8, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse
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Somewhere an IT nerd is cursing.

'OMG he haxored the system! Emergency deny all users! *click* Ahaaa I save day again!'

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

lh, can you give us details of what is being said?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

An optimistic 9-7. Although I'm regretting it already...

Posted by: mack1 | September 8, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Skins first offensive play?
Two tight end set. Play action to Portis, hit Davis free down the middle.

First defensive play? Mr Jacobs meet Mr. Haynesworth and some of his friends.

Posted by: skinswest | September 8, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: McMetal | September 8, 2009 12:33 PM
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I hate Websense a lot of thie time. I got blocked going to Computerworld once with it saying "Internet and Information Technology". Now why would block an IT person going to an IT website?

Technology reeks sometimes...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 8, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Now I like this. ARE's name is conspicuously absent. If MK and DT were fighting for #2 how does the loser go to #4? DT is the playmaker in space. If they're confident he knows the plays, he should the be slot guy.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 8, 2009 12:29 PM

LH - I think ARE excels well as a #3 underneath guy running those option routes compared to DT11. DThomas still has work to do. Look at the last preseaon game when he was jumping to catch those balls when he didn't need to. ARE has perfected the art of 'route running' and is dependable in a short to mid-range passing scheme.

Once DThomas gets acclamated, he should be able to over take ARE in that roll, but it prob won't be until next year......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 8, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Listening to JZ on ESPN 980. He is saying the OL will be fine if they have to spot start one or two guys. However, if they had more than a couple of starters go down at one time, then they're be issues. I like that honesty. Now let's sign an OT with some experience after the Giants game. Also, JZ is sounding as if Mason will be inactive during games to start the season.

Posted by: TWISI | September 8, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I just saw the results here. Buy Kool Aid Billy Ray, BUY!!!!!!

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | September 8, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

and the response from our Websense guru why this happen?

Uhhh, I don't know, try it again now and see what happens...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 8, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"However, if they had more than a couple of starters go down at one time, then they're be issues"

The same could be said for a lot of NFL teams I imagine.

Agreed about bringing in some OL guy, cut Rock today, and use that roster space.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 8, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

9-7. I don't like the looks of:

1- the special teams other than HUNTER SMITH. We have to have a legitimate elite kicker. SUISHAM ain't it.

2- the wedge being outlawed and ROCK CARTWRIGHT's comments. Makes him look like he's trying to find a place to hide, and special teams ain't it.

3- what I've seen of the o-line work in either mode so far this season. They looked pretty frail in the x-season if you ask me.

4- SHAWN SPRINGS in the secondary. We will miss him more than we think I'm afraid, despite the fact that he's a part-time player now. Talk about "security blankets." We must have another top notch corner. Still not sold on HALL.

Anyway 9-7.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 8, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I really believe that this is our best opportunity in several years to have an explosive offense...I'm crossing my fingers.

Posted by: scottmando
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Hmm, "explosive"? You must be hittin the kool aid early today. I really, really like our new WR situation, but I don't expect or even hope for an explosive offense until we have a stronger, younger, talented O-line.

I would like to see - and I think there's a chance of seeing - a competent, consistent offense this year, if this O-line holds. I just want it to add 7 points a game to last year's avg., and keep our killer D off the field enough to be reasonably rested by the 4th quarter.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 8, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Bean, TWISI summed it up nicely at 12:42 pm.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 8, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's my advice to Rock:
"Put your hat on and STFU. Play like there's no tomorrow, because maybe there isn't."

In fact, that's my advice to almost everyone on the roster, and to most of the coaching staff. Mike Tomlin said it best: these days teams exist for a single season, and that same group of 53 guys won't be back next year.

I like that he's got an attitude, now show us something.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 8, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

3 key coaching mistakes entering this season.

1. Betts as a 3rd down back. Yes, there needs to be more Betts and less CP to keep CP stronger. But 3rd down is where you make or break your drive and I want the money guy in there on the money down. That's Portis.

2. Not setting the WRs much earlier. Campbell needs time to adjust to the changes and the youngsters need time to get their routes correct. Zorn needed to help his QB by allowing him to get adjusted earlier in the preseason. And to let the WRs settle into their roles as well.

3. Not doing an overhaul to the punt return game

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 8, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Skins first offensive play?
Two tight end set. Play action to Portis, hit Davis free down the middle.

First defensive play? Mr Jacobs meet Mr. Haynesworth and some of his friends.

Posted by: skinswest | September 8, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse


I love it...now if it can only come true. Anyone got any unused birthday wishes or are willing to sell their souls? I actually feel good about this game. I hate saying it out loud but I do. Myabe I am confusing my optimism for first game excitement but I think we match up well. It will be a slugfest for sure. At the end of the day I think we actually win this game. I'm gonna call it 23-20. I think what we saw from the def in the preseason was them going thru the motions. When the bullets start flying I think we match up VERY well against their O. If Jason and SM, MK and ARE come to play, I think we leave with a win.

Posted by: 44riggosranger44 | September 8, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I think there's a 50/50 chance they go 16-0.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 8, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 8, 2009 12:47

good/interesting comments. I agree on Springs. It was right to let him go, but we'll also miss him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 8, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

If JC is on a short leash and he starts to stink up the game..ie. not reaching the second progression...double pump and dump short....3 and out, 3 and out. etc.. Hopefully Zorn will insert Collins.. the last Skins QB to beat the Giants..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 8, 2009 12:20 PM

Yes, I remember that game. Collins was 8/25 for 166 yards 0TDs 0INTs. Portis/Betts had 33 carries for 155 yards and 2 TDs. Come to think of it, I don't think Collins played much better than Campbell did in the first loss (J.Campbell 15/27 for 133 yards 1TD, 0INTs) or the second loss (J.Campbell 23/38 for 232 yards, 0TDs, 1INT).

The big difference is the running game disappered in the 2 losses:

Collins win: 153 yards (Collins, 2 carries for -2 yards, C.Portis 25 carries for 126 yards, L.Betts 8 carries for 29 yards).

Game 1: 84 yards (Portis 23 carries for 84 yards, Betts 1 carry for 0 yards)

Game 2: 92 yards (J.Campbell 5 carries 38 yards, D.Thomas 1 carry 29 yards, C.Portis 11 carries 22 yards, L.Betts 1 carry 3 yards).

Kind of hard to say Collins did anything special.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 8, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

8-8

5-3 first half, 3-5 second half as injuries and bumps and bruises again take their toll.

That o-line isn't holding up and anyone who thinks otherwise is ignoring history. Nobody's line holds up anymore but if you include age and previous injuries with this one, that problem is magnified.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 8, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I just saw the results here. Buy Kool Aid Billy Ray, BUY!!!!!!

Posted by: mikeysuperdons
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Kool Aid is to these RI bloggers as catfood is to prawns...

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 8, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually, we like the "triplets":

Malcolm Kelly
Devin Thomas
Marko Mitchell

In today's NFL, three solid wideouts are most necessary.

Don't believe me?

Ask the cardinals.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 8, 2009 8:23 AM

I'm sorry, did Santana Moss get traded last night? Why is he not in the WR conversation here?

And don't ever, ever, ever use the term "triplets" for a Redskins team. That's a Dallas thing and I want no part of it. We'd all be arrested for attempted murder if the Cowboys ever called their line "the Hogs"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 8, 2009 8:29 AM |

MistaMoe:

I don't believe you.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 8, 2009 8:29 AM |

MistaMoe = turdbrain

Posted by: ElDrano | September 8, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Vincini vs The Man in Black" for a canonical explanation.

Vizzini. You wanna tempt Sicilian retribution by spelling his name wrong?

Posted by: will_ga | September 8, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I picked 10-6.

Assuming 3-3 in the NFC East... Looking at the rest of their schedule, they have the ability to do well and really should be going 11-5 or 12-4. But I worry about their annoying habit of playing good teams well and bad teams poorly. I could easily imagine them sweeping the Giants and knocking off Atlanta and Carolina... and then turning around and losing to Detroit and Oakland...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 8, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

They have a good chance at 11-5, better at 10-6, and good at 9-7.

Against NFC East 4-2
Against NFC South 2-2
Against AFC West 3-1
Against NFC Dregs 2-0

I

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 8, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

That o-line isn't holding up and anyone who thinks otherwise is ignoring history. Nobody's line holds up anymore but if you include age and previous injuries with this one, that problem is magnified.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 8, 2009 12:53 PM

Yeah, but you also need to consider that our o-line is 15 years younger this year than last with the addition of Dock and Heyer and the substraction of Jansen and Kendall. Obviously I'm concerned about Thomas and Samuels' injury histories, but it's not unreasonable to believe our o-line this year will be better than last year.

All I'm saying is don't give up on the season before it even starts! I'll remain optimistic until proven otherwise.

Posted by: Section104 | September 8, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse


Skins first offensive play?
Two tight end set. Play action to Portis, hit Davis free down the middle.

First defensive play? Mr Jacobs meet Mr. Haynesworth and some of his friends.

Posted by: skinswest | September 8, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse


I love it...now if it can only come true. Anyone got any unused birthday wishes or are willing to sell their souls? I actually feel good about this game. I hate saying it out loud but I do. Myabe I am confusing my optimism for first game excitement but I think we match up well. It will be a slugfest for sure. At the end of the day I think we actually win this game. I'm gonna call it 23-20. I think what we saw from the def in the preseason was them going thru the motions. When the bullets start flying I think we match up VERY well against their O. If Jason and SM, MK and ARE come to play, I think we leave with a win.

Posted by: 44riggosranger44
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There is little doubt in my mind we CAN win this game, given our new D-line and WR strength, the Jints loss of their experienced WR's, our punter upgrade, and other reasons... so I think it comes down to 2 things: [1] our offensive play calling, and [2] whether the Skins BELIEVE they can win, even if/when they get behind.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 8, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Kool Aid is to these RI bloggers as catfood is to prawns...

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 8, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

LOL. That movie sucked

Posted by: ga8085 | September 8, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Anyone got any unused birthday wishes or are willing to sell their souls?

Posted by: 44riggosranger44

My b-day IS opening day and I'll use my wish on a Skins win. As for selling my soul, I'm not that easy ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 8, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I find it very amusing that only 8% of Redskins fans believe the team will win 11 games or more this year. I'm going to remind the other 92% of you about this come January...

Posted by: Barno1 | September 8, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

My guess is the inactive list for Week 1 will be Marcus Mason, Jeremy Jarmon, Robert Henson, Will Montgomery, Edwin Williams, Mike Williams, Kevin Barnes, and Marko Mitchell.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I think we probably need to temper our Marko Mitchell expectations for this season. Remember that he scored all three of those preseason TDs against 2nd and 3rd stringers. And it was the preseason... The one play that really stood out to me was the downfield block on Cooley's 73 yard play (with the first team). But so far he hasn't faced being jammed at the line and hasn't played against a real CB.

I think he's going to be great for us -- just possibly not this year. But it sure is nice to think about having Marko, Kelly, Fred Davis, and Cooley for red zone plays in the future...

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 8, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

'it's not unreasonable to believe our o-line this year will be better than last year. '

Sure, on paper they're better but I think the backups are more questionable on this team than the other contenders.

It just looks to me that defenses and defensive lines in the current era are getting an edge over offenses league-wide.

Getting to the quarterback is the name of the game today - always has been of course in the modern era; but it's more important now than ever before.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 8, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are the only team in the division that either maintained or improved every positional and coaching group they had last season. The Giants lost both starting WRs and their mastermind defensive coordinator, the Eagles lost their mastermind defensive coordinator, starting MLB and FS, and the Cowboys lost their only WR. Washington is also the only team in the division that got through preseason unscathed with health concerns, as the Giants lost Jay Alford, Aaron Ross, and Chris Canty (at least for the start of the season), the Cowboys lost their entire draft class, and the Eagles lost their starting MLB and are struggling with their potential pro-bowl RT.

The Redskins also have one of two preseason favorites for the DROY, as predicted by analysts.

Logic then follows that the Redskins are the only team predicted to max out at their 8-win total from last year. Maintain or improve every position, hit very well on your draft, escape preseason almost entirely unscathed, and the best you can hope for is exactly what you did last year, when all of those things failed for you.

You gotta love preseason analysis.

Posted by: psps23 | September 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

7-9 and it will be the final year for Zorn and Campbell. The defense will make highlight films but the offense will continue to struggle. Injuries will play a large part in their record as I don't see R. Thomas, C. Portis and C. Samuels staying healthy for the entire season. I think the team could manage without Thomas but Samuels and Portis are not so easily replaced...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I really believe that this is our best opportunity in several years to have an explosive offense...I'm crossing my fingers.

Posted by: scottmando
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Hmm, "explosive"? You must be hittin the kool aid early today. I really, really like our new WR situation, but I don't expect or even hope for an explosive offense until we have a stronger, younger, talented O-line.

I would like to see - and I think there's a chance of seeing - a competent, consistent offense this year, if this O-line holds. I just want it to add 7 points a game to last year's avg., and keep our killer D off the field enough to be reasonably rested by the 4th quarter.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 8, 2009 12:47 PM


I DRINK THE KOOL-AID EVERY YEAR BABY.

Posted by: scottmando | September 8, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

8-8. That's about where they usually are,sad to say. If they can steal that Giants game..things could be different. They just don't beat the teams they "should", often enough.

Posted by: ridgely1 | September 8, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

8-8. That's about where they usually are,sad to say. If they can steal that Giants game..things could be different. They just don't beat the teams they "should", often enough.

Posted by: ridgely1 | September 8, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

8-8. That's about where they usually are,sad to say. If they can steal that Giants game..things could be different. They just don't beat the teams they "should", often enough.

Posted by: ridgely1 | September 8, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

nice try Alan4..
I believe Collins was named mvp of the game.. It was a downpour and the winds were gusting to 50 mph..... The Gints had to win the game to continue their advance to the SB and Collins beat them on their own turf..

(btw it was Collins first start since 1997)
From NFL.Com ref the Game..
Key stat
The weather conditions clearly affected both quarterbacks. They combined to complete only 34 percent of their passes. The difference was that Todd Collins got big yardage on his successful throws, 20.75 yards per completion), while Eli Manning only got 10.2 yards per completion.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2007121612/2007/REG15/redskins@giants
++++++++++++++++++++++++


If JC is on a short leash and he starts to stink up the game..ie. not reaching the second progression...double pump and dump short....3 and out, 3 and out. etc.. Hopefully Zorn will insert Collins.. the last Skins QB to beat the Giants..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 8, 2009 12:20 PM

Yes, I remember that game. Collins was 8/25 for 166 yards 0TDs 0INTs. Portis/Betts had 33 carries for 155 yards and 2 TDs. Come to think of it, I don't think Collins played much better than Campbell did in the first loss (J.Campbell 15/27 for 133 yards 1TD, 0INTs) or the second loss (J.Campbell 23/38 for 232 yards, 0TDs, 1INT).

The big difference is the running game disappered in the 2 losses:

Collins win: 153 yards (Collins, 2 carries for -2 yards, C.Portis 25 carries for 126 yards, L.Betts 8 carries for 29 yards).

Game 1: 84 yards (Portis 23 carries for 84 yards, Betts 1 carry for 0 yards)

Game 2: 92 yards (J.Campbell 5 carries 38 yards, D.Thomas 1 carry 29 yards, C.Portis 11 carries 22 yards, L.Betts 1 carry 3 yards).

Kind of hard to say Collins did anything special.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 8, 2009 12:53 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 8, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Reading Rock's comments, I'm fully expecting him to "jake it" on special teams this year just to prove a point.

Yeah, a real "Core Redskin" right there. Sets a real good example to the guys in the locker room on how to go about "yours".

No way he's around next season. Unfortunately by then that would've been TWO seasons too late.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 8, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

RSH areed, losing Samuels would be devastating

Posted by: skinswest | September 8, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

red, cut him today.....he doesn't understand why he keeps getting ignored, now he can try and understand why he's unemployed.......hit the road rock, lets see who if ANYONE picks you up.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 8, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"Vizzini. You wanna tempt Sicilian retribution by spelling his name wrong?
Posted by: will_ga"

Aha, you are perhaps thinking that by spelling his name wrong, he will feel compelled to retribution, which you no doubt secretly desire, but being Sicilian, he will astonish you by turning the other cheek, except that you no doubt expect him to do just that, so instead... wait, is that a deer over there? Behind you?

Posted by: Samson151 | September 8, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin2 Will Montgomery is the only player who can play center I think, so he should be active. I think BMW will be active as well. My guess Mason, and Mitchell will be inactive because of special teams. Edwin Williams, Batiste, Barnes, Jarmon, Henson will be the others.

Posted by: TWISI | September 8, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

And don't ever, ever, ever use the term "triplets" for a Redskins team. That's a Dallas thing and I want no part of it. We'd all be arrested for attempted murder if the Cowboys ever called their line "the Hogs"...

Posted by: brownwood26

How about Fun Bunch? Has that been used yet?? ;-)

Posted by: scottmando | September 8, 2009 12:53 PM

Posted by: scottmando | September 8, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The most important games on the schedule are against the Rams, Lions, Bucs, Chiefs, Broncos, and Raiders. Those teams are all looking like top 10 drafters in 2010. Must win 5, should win 6, if this team is a real contender.

Posted by: dc-nc | September 8, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I'll make a call: Cartwright shows everything that is wrong with this organization.

I pulled for him to make this team, because he plays special teams on both sides well, and was a team "leader".

Well, the heck with him. A STRONG organization cuts this clown. Today. If he wants to cry and whine about how he's been "used" while making several hundred thousand dollars a year playing about 10 plays a game, let him see if he can go somewhere else and cry them a river.

I think the Redskins, with some health, will have a good season this year. Not great, but 10-6 good. Still, outbursts like this from jokers that want to fight the coaches and management need to be shown the door.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 8, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"Kind of hard to say Collins did anything special.Posted by: Alan4"

Sure he did -- he won.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 8, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm a little surprised at the level of optimism. There must be a lot of readers who don't comment.

I see them winning three in the division (would not be surprised if they win 4); going 3-1 against the AFC west (would not be surprised if the loss is to Oakland); 2-2 against he NFC south; beating the Rams and Lions. That's ten wins.

Would not surprise me if they drop a game or two they should win, but they will probably win a game they are expected to lose as well (like a division road game).

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 8, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"Kind of hard to say Collins did anything special.Posted by: Alan4"

Sure he did -- he won.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 8, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Nobody who watched that game could say it was Collins. Eli folded in that weather and the Giants followed. It was that simple.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 8, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Vizzini. Who is in fact dead.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 8, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"I'm a little surprised at the level of optimism."

Lot's of Kool-Aid here. ;)

Saying that, this year will depend on the health of the O-line....100%

If that starts to fail, the Redskins will lose.

If it/they stay largely healthy, they should win.

I'm not worried about the defense.

I'm not worried about special teams.

It's all about the "O" here.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 8, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I think people's negative to mediocre predictions are based on them using some sort of reverse psychology crap.

The ones' who have them advancing past the second round have read 'The Secret': If you wish for a million dollars... you'll have a million dollars because you put out to the "Universe" that you wanted a million dollars.

I'll leave predictions nonsense to those who find it entertaining. I am not one of those people...

Too many things factor when it comes to success in the NFL. To make a prediction before the first real bead of sweat rolls down the a**crack of an O-linemen is silly.

10-5-1, just because I'm now anti-Washington Post.

The Washington Post: If they don't get it, Maybe we do...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 8, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Cut Carwright today, bring Darrel Young up to the roster, and then back fill the practice squad spot with Alex Boone, or Andrew Crummey.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 8, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

This team has no proven No. 2 receiver. The o-line has questions marks.

Maybe both will come through but that's asking alot. And comparing the strengths and weaknesses of this team versus the contenders makes it obvious to me that this is a .500 team. Maybe slightly better, maybe worse. 9-7 or 7-9.

Not reverse psychology; it's just the recent history of this team and the talent compared to the competitors.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 8, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone at WTEM gotten on Rock's case about his complaining?

Or do they only slam the guys who make multimillions, like Portis and Haynesworth?

Poor old Rock, he will only make $945,000 this year.

The Great Recession is hitting everyone hard.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

First play of the game... 4 WR, 1 RB, 5-step drop, bomb to Devin Thomas. Book it. Everybody will be concentrating on Kelly, who won the job, but Thomas will get the element of surprise (not to mention the dime defensive back).

Posted by: psps23 | September 8, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Peter Kings take on the ticket issue:

"Leif, the way I look at that one is pretty simple: If you sign a contract to buy anything, and for whatever reason you renege on the deal, the people you signed the contract with have every right to come after their money. It's often hard to defend Dan Snyder, buy I can't kill him on this one. He has massive debt service on his stadium, and he relies on X amount of dollars coming in every year from people who have signed contracts to buy seats and pay down that debt service'

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 8, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Are we part of some development league or something?? How many years do you give a guy to be worth the millions you're paying him?? He better contribute this year as a WR or become key to our Special Teams or get off the roster so the next Marko Mitchell can contribute!

Posted by: scottmando | September 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

If you can't give a draft pick 4 years to develop then why even draft them in the first place? This is the typical lack of patience that ruins football teams. The damn kid is only in his second year. You give him at least three before he is a full time starter and by the 4th year he should be turning it on. Go ahead and get rid of another Antonio Pierce, Trent Green, or Ryan Clark. The other teams love it when you do that. Why develop players when we can cripple ourselves with free agent contracts?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12171072 his assessment is bland to me and just using it as a excuse to go after the Redskins logo/name

Posted by: alex35332 | September 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

hey mhas1up1... The consensus after the game was that Collins outplayed Eli.. And won (he was name mvp).

From NFL.Com ref the Game..
Key stat
The weather conditions clearly affected both quarterbacks. They combined to complete only 34 percent of their passes. The difference was that Todd Collins got big yardage on his successful throws, 20.75 yards per completion), while Eli Manning only got 10.2 yards per completion.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2007121612/2007/REG15/redskins@giants

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"Kind of hard to say Collins did anything special.Posted by: Alan4"

Sure he did -- he won.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 8, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Nobody who watched that game could say it was Collins. Eli folded in that weather and the Giants followed. It was that simple.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 8, 2009 1:21 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I remember Collins against the Vikings. It was Joe Gibbs who won that game with a brilliant replay challenge, reversing Collins' fumble. Collins then did well against Dallas (Yay!) but then just did not get the job done against SEA.

4 sacks, 2 picks BOTH FOR TD's and 22% on third down. Like the Bizarro Farve.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 8, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, they can cut Rock, and put Devin Thomas on kick returns.

As far as punt returns, what about: D. Thomas, Betts, or Westbrook?

Rock is, was, and has been expendable. Cut him today.

What I want to know is, in light of his "feel sorry for me/hug me/whaaaaa" comments, where are all the posters that was gassing him up like he was the second coming?

Where are you? Where are all the "Rock is a good teammate", "Rock is a core Redskin", "Rock is a classy guy" slurp job post that I read over the last year or so?

Now, Rock slurppers, defend him now...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 8, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Cut Carwright today, bring Darrel Young up to the roster, and then back fill the practice squad spot with Alex Boone, or Andrew Crummey.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 8, 2009 1:25 PM

FYI...Boone 49ers practice squad. Crummy waived w/ an injury settlement.

Posted by: TWISI | September 8, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"This team has no proven No. 2 receiver. The o-line has questions marks."

The thing about this is, while it's a legitimate criticism, it was the EXACT same questions heading into last season. And last season couldn't have gone worse for those two question marks. Yet the team was still 8-8. Even if one of MK, DT, or MM step up, it's an improvement over what we had last season. If even just Samuels stays healthy, as opposed to the entire line, it's an improvement over last season. If all 3 of MK, DT, and MM hit the mark, that's a significant improvement. If the entire line manages to stay healthy, that's a significant improvement...Over an already 8-8 team. And we haven't even begun talking about the additions to the defense or special teams. So again, if you're taking relative history into account, I really don't see how people automatically assume this team is, at best, what it was last season. It really makes zero sense to me.

Posted by: psps23 | September 8, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I find it very amusing that only 8% of Redskins fans believe the team will win 11 games or more this year. I'm going to remind the other 92% of you about this come January...

Posted by: Barno1 | September 8, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse
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The last time we won 11 or more games was 1991, and only twice since have we cracked double digits, so I think the people going under 10 wins are more grounded in a reality that understands our CB situation may not be as strong as we hope, and our O line situation is one injury (Samuels) away from tanking Zorns career.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 8, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

nice try Alan4..
I believe Collins was named mvp of the game..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 8, 2009 1:13 PM

MVP of the game? Is that an actual award in regular season games? I remember JC17 being recognized as NFC Offensive Player of the Week last year, but I have no idea if anyone was named MVP from game to game... anyway, none of that is relevent.

Come on SkinnyGM, we all get that you blame Campbell alone for the team's offensive problems. But you can't ignore the rushing production those three games.

Portis had 126 yards in the win, 84 yards in the first loss, and 22 yards in the second loss (on 11 carries!). Campbell and WR Devin Thomas accounted for 74% of the total rushing yards in the second game... do you really think Collins would have made a difference?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 8, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

How are we still talking about Collins? This is ridiculous, Collins clearly is not an NFL qb. He has had like 13 years in this league and hes started how many games? Clearly, coaches dont see it in him, so what is it that you fans see? Are you an NFL scout? A coach? A player developer? Do you see something that EVERY SINGLE COACH does not? Stop this, you sound stupid every time you say it and it just annoys everyone who knows that he is a capable backup but not a starting caliber qb.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | September 8, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Thank, PAS1. Well put.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 8, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"I'm basically labeled now as a special teams guy," Cartwright said. "As far as getting toyed with, I think I have. You guys have seen it. Who hasn't seen it? ... I won't go to them and complain about it. I saw it coming. When you see me in [a preseason] game in the third quarter and I'm an eight-year vet and special teams captain, what does that tell you? Apparently, I'm not a good running back."

This doesn't exactly sound like a guy who is a team player.

Vinny should have cut Rock on Saturday and let him find a regular gig somewhere else.

Posted by: tafka | September 8, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

BTW, in that win against the Giants, Suisham was 3/3, Portis was a beast, and the GiANTS could not stop that funky lead draw that Betts ran.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 8, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

funny how much posting has covered Mason v Rock, for what hopefully won't amount to more than about 6 carries all season.

As for Rock, I kinda get it. He had a very good yds/carry avg a few years back, but also a costly fumble vs KC and Gibbs never let him play a role on offense after that. I'm sure Rock wanted another shot to carry the ball at some point -- before he got too old to be effective. And each time he had a small window of opportunity, a tip toe burglar would come in and take it from him.

Rock's running out of time ... and I suspect this outburst is part of that realization.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 8, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The Cult of Colters have been IR'ed back to rooting for Todd. Dont you se, tis just the JC17 haters.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 8, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Vizzini. Who is in fact dead.
Posted by: dpc2003 | September 8,

You'd like to think Vizzini was dead, but death was on the line & he only pretended to die as he knew the Man in Black clearly knew HE was outwitted & his only chance was to cheat causing Vizzini to realize he had to survive by using the ruse of the Sicilian opussum to continue the battle of wits another time. When swapping cups he deftly swallowed the Iocanenator allowing wine to be stored in a tube & pulled back out when it was safe.

Posted by: will_ga | September 8, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

wow - didn't see that comin' from Rock.

it's not too late to ditch him too if he doesn't perform well enough on ST.

Rock, when were you ever up for RB besides off the deep bench?!

Two words: Dog. House.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 8, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Apparently, I'm not a good running back." - Rock Cartwright

So he finally figured out what everyone else has known for years.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I dont really see rock making a big deal after this. Yes, hes annoyed, and to be fair he probably has a right to be. He was never really given the chance even during the 100 times Betts has been banged up... we typically do not use him for anything other than special teams... and yet he is great on it. Usually when you play well on ST you get rewarded with playing time on offense/defense depending... but he never did.

I'm not saying he was good enough to do it, as clearly with Portis its hard to find carries for anyone, but this outburst doesn't really upset me as much as it seems to be upsetting you guys. Yes its selfish, but I'll bet its the last time he says anything and he'll still go out there and play football harder than 2/3 of our team so... whatever.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | September 8, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

11-5-1? Who do we tie Red?

Posted by: mack1 | September 8, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Greg - 1st time Peter King and I have agreed on something in a long time.

I am waiting to hear Tony's reaction. But sadly...he's on 980 so he may not be allowed to comment on it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 8, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Runyan is ready to roll
Posted by Mike Florio on September 8, 2009 1:33 PM ET
As the regular season approaches, a guy who has been on the field every Sunday since 1997 still doesn't have a job.

But, by all indications, he will soon.

Per a league source, tackle Jon Runyan has been cleared to play after offseason microfracture surgery to repair an injured knee.

We're told that three teams are interested in Runyan. According to the source, Runyan rejected an opportunity to sign a contract last week because he didn't want to play for the team in question.

Oakland Raiders? We're looking at you.

Given the rule that guarantees a vested veteran's salary if he's on the Week One roster, look for Runyan to do a deal after the first games are played.

But if there are multiple teams in the mix, the one that's willing to step up and sign him now could be the one to get him.

Except for the Raiders.

Posted by: TWISI | September 8, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

BTW, in that win against the Giants, Suisham was 3/3, Portis was a beast, and the GiANTS could not stop that funky lead draw that Betts ran.

Posted by: dpc2003

Suisham was our MVP that game. He hit tough FGs in that win -- including one from around 45 yards out. He actually aimed the kick outside the uprights and the wind blew it back in. I think their guy made 1 and missed 1.

Though the jints also lost because they called a huge number of passes. Which is silly to do in a wind storm.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 8, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have a couple of things going there way in terms of the schedule.

1) The game against SD is the last game of the season. I think SD is going to win the AFC West by a mile and I'm not so sure the Chargers will have anything to play for on Week 17. Den, Oak, and KC are downright terrible and I think the Skins sweep the AFC West. (4-0)

2) I always believe that it is to your advantage to play a tough team on the road coming off a bye week. 2 weeks to rest up and prepare for the Falcons sounds good to me. I think Saints at home and TB at home are W's along with Atl. 3-1 in the NFC South.

3) I would rather start the season on the road against a tough team. Your starters are healthy, rested and you have plenty of time to game plan. Ideal situation for hitting the road against the Giants. Road win in NY and 2 home wins. 3-3 NFC East

4) I know the Rams won last year but they were coming off a bye which helped I believe. The only team playing the Skins off the bye this year is Carolina which I already chalked up as a loss. I think Detroit is a win also. 2-0 vs other last place teams in the NFC

Overall Record: 12-4

Posted by: daghost | September 8, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

9-6 going into SD... and that game likely depends on if SD has a spot wrapped up or not.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 8, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

twis, thats funny, Seymour is holding up this trade for that very reason, no one wants to play for the raiders......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 8, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If Seymour refuses to show up, the trade should be nullified.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Peter King sucks up to the owners. In his MMQB column, he basically shills for jerruh and his cheatin' scoreboard. Would have been easy to say the game's integrity comes first. But no, it was even easier to have no opinion and let jerruh talk about the "fan experience" as the overriding issue.

King is worth reading, but its also useful to understand he's not going to take tough stances.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 8, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

twis, thats funny, Seymour is holding up this trade for that very reason, no one wants to play for the raiders......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

On Sunday, when the trade went down, even Merriman was thinking -- at least I'm not Richard Seymour

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 8, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12171072 his assessment is bland to me and just using it as a excuse to go after the Redskins logo/name

Posted by: alex35332 | September 8, 2009 1:33 PM

Dude is crazy and vengeful to the fullest. He was never a real Redskin fan and was probably a closet Dallas fan.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 8, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, I can kinda see the yahoo guy's points on being dissappointed in snyder. But he missed the point of the followup article on 'stewardship'.

As 4th points out, a Redskin fan understands that the members of the organization are transient, at least to some degree. But being a fan of this team stretches accross generations.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 8, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

3) I would rather start the season on the road against a tough team. Your starters are healthy, rested and you have plenty of time to game plan. Ideal situation for hitting the road against the Giants. Road win in NY and 2 home wins. 3-3 NFC East

Posted by: daghos

The other thing about playing a tough team first -- you learn what your real weaknesses are. Last year, the jints exposed a bunch of things. The coaches had a good idea about what adjustments were needed -- and a few extra days to make them. They did a very good job of making these adjustments and we won 6 of the next 7.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 8, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

steve

"Not reverse psychology; it's just the recent history of this team and the talent compared to the competitors."

You and your realism.

People like you are why I prefer dishonesty to the truth.

And the truth is, sir, that you are right.

But you don't have to be.

We redskins' fans are a hardy lot.

We support a team with the history of the stillers, but don't have the rings they do.

Our arch enemies, the cowboys, dominate national viewing, but wind up with us each winter watching the playoffs.

So excuse our pre-Christmas morning like zest on the eve of the start of the professional football season.

Unrealistic joy in the face of a new season is psychology we'd rather not reverse.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 8, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Say, hamsters. It's your old pal Freakzilla here with a little tip.

If'n you're inclined to order anything from NFLShop.com right now, you can get 25% off your entire order with the promo code NFLWIN25.

I found it on one of those coupon sites the other day, and I used it, and it really, really works.

They're offering free shipping on footwear right now, too.

My $10 Old Navy slippers are literally falling apart, so I snagged some colorful indoor Redskins comfort kicks, and some fleece pants for when I want to relax while still rockin' the B&G.

So get down with the fly discount, you groovy hepcats. It's the bees!


(My coolness, as you can see, transcends many generations and subcultures.)

(Or possibly none.)

Posted by: freakzilla | September 8, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I just read the Freeman column.

It's hard to believe the WaPo ever employed that monosyllabic piece of trash, but at least they had the good sense to part ways with him.

Just skimming the beginning of his piece, he misspells Marion Barry (Berry) and offers this insightful gem on the gripping power of Redskins mania over Washington area households:

"Nothing else mattered particularly during the broadcast of their games. Dinners were eaten in front of the television, outdoor activities were halted, sex was interrupted."

WTF?????

LOL... American colleges must hand out sheepskins in Journalism to any jackhole who comes in off the street these days

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

wow - didn't see that comin' from Rock.

it's not too late to ditch him too if he doesn't perform well enough on ST.

Rock, when were you ever up for RB besides off the deep bench?!

Two words: Dog. House.

Wow, just wow taking a page from King Portis book? I wonder how that will work for Rock who also works his tail off like you wouldn't believe.

Posted by: periculum | September 8, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I for one NEVER stopped a sex act I was already in to watch a REdskin game. I just made sure the volume was turned up before I began. PrePlanning is the name of the game.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 8, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes I will still take Sex over Football, unless its the 4th quarter. A game lasts 3-4 hours, and I am no Puffy.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 8, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

periculum


I think Rock is about half way right, half way wrong.

Fact is, he has had a specific long-term role on and NFL roster--something most dudes would kill for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 8, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

If Seymour refuses to show up, the trade should be nullified.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse
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On what grounds? The Clifford the Big Red 'took his ball and went home' Dog Clause? If you trade for a guy, you better be sure he want's to play for you, and when you are the Raiders, you had better double check.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 8, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I for one NEVER stopped a sex act I was already in to watch a REdskin game. I just made sure the volume was turned up before I began. PrePlanning is the name of the game.........

Posted by: 4thFloor
______________________

Yer sheep's a screamer?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 8, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

On the grounds that they gave up a 1st round draft choice for a player, and none has shown up yet.

If he shows up and gets injured and ends up on IR all season, fine. If he shows up and fights with his coaches and gets benched or suspended for the season, fine.

But if he never shows up, it's not even a trade.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"I for one NEVER stopped a sex act..."

This, like all other issues, is related to how much I've been paid to perform the act or how much I've paid to have it performed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 8, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12171072 his assessment is bland to me and just using it as a excuse to go after the Redskins logo/name
Posted by: alex35332 | September 8, 2009 1:33 PM

Dude is crazy and vengeful to the fullest. He was never a real Redskin fan and was probably a closet Dallas fan.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 8, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

A tad overly harsh considering most every team does sue a fan if they renig on a contract. My only problem with that move is that if they are able to resell the seats they don't credit that to the bill the original fan owes, to me that is greedy double dipping but otherwise, if you sign a contract stating you will pay a certain amount of money over a certain amount of time and you default, you deserve to be sued doesn't matter that we're talking about football tickets instead of a house, a contract is a contract.

However, except for the way Snyder handled the late Sean Taylor's passing this statement rings very true for me:

"No true fan of the team can like what Snyder has done in the past (on and off the field) or is currently doing except those on his payroll or those who want to be."

I hate Danny and his puppet Vinny for their greed, their stupidity, their stubbornness and just their all around smugness while producing nothing but mediocrity on the field and I believe we will never be a consistently good football team until Snyder sells or gives up control. We may have good seasons now and then and playoff appearances here and there but perennial contention will not happen. Just look at our roster as currently constituted, in the next 2 years we will need at minimum of starters a T, G, C, DE, DE (Jarmon may develop into one of these), and MLB. And those are just the givens the jury is still out on if we have a legit QB, have legit WRs, if Heyer is the longterm starter at RT, if Rocky's knees hold up at WLB, if CR22 gets his payday to stay, if CP can last that long as a #1 back (in my opinion he has this year and next left as the feature back at most) and then we still have significant potential depth issues at corner and on the oline. If the line holds up we have the potential to win 10 games this year, if it doesn't we have the potential to lose 10 and will have a ton of personnel questions in the offseason no matter what.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 8, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse


10-6

Here's what I've learned so far about the Skins:

1) Jason Campbell is a better QB with weapons. After watching the preseason, throwing the ball to two 6'4" guys is a bonus. Remember, our starting WR's last years were Thrash, Moss, and Randle-El

2) No doubt about it-this offensive line is a BIG question mark but when they hold up this is a playoff team.

3) I'm more worried about the secondary than I am the offensive line. They give up too much underneath stuff.

4) I think Zorn knows football, but we have to get out of this idea of firing coaches after every two or three years...look at Cowher, Billick, Reid, Holmgren...they had TIME...they had losing seasons too.

Anyway...10-6

Posted by: rickyroge | September 8, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Yer sheep's a screamer?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 8, 2009 2:21 PM

I'm laughing, but am kinda lost on this one......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 8, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

A tad overly harsh considering most every team does sue a fan if they renig on a contract.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 8, 2009 2:25 PM |
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I'm forwarding this to Mike Freeman immediately.

It's obvious that zjfr2's misspelling of renege is yet another example of overt racism from a Redskins fan.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

A lof of things have to go right - Campbell has to step up his game, the young wr's have to produce, CP and the o-line have to stay healthy, the defense has to produce a ton of turnovers, suischem has to become consistent, offensive and defensive game-planning have to become more aggressive, etc... too many things have to happen for this to be a winning a season. Despite that, skins will go 9-7

Posted by: coparker5 | September 8, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

A tad overly harsh considering most every team does sue a fan if they renig on a contract.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 8, 2009 2:25 PM |
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I'm forwarding this to Mike Freeman immediately.

It's obvious that zjfr2's misspelling of renege is yet another example of overt racism from a Redskins fan.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Actually it was just a misspelled word in a long rant but make it a big deal if you want to

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 8, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

suischem has to become consistent, offensive and defensive game-planning have to become more aggressive, etc... too many things have to happen for this to be a winning a season. Despite that, skins will go 9-7

Posted by: coparker5 | September 8, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm forwarding this to Shaun immediately, coparker's misspelling of Suisham is obvious overt racism towards Canadians.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 8, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I do not hate Dan Snyder and I am not, nor do I want to be on his payroll. He has made many mistakes and has not built a championship team, but I don't hate him. You can point at many other teams that have made personnel mistakes, PR mistakes, etc.

Snyder's problem is that he does not know how to build a winning team, although I think that is changing. We are a younger and faster team, at many (not all) positions, but a team cannot be rebuilt in one offseason. Everyone acknowledges that work is needed on the O-line, but we needed work on the D-Line too. We got a big free agent, but some homegrown talent and depth.

I understand everyone has a right to their opinion. Snyder has not built a wealth of support, but that starts with winning. The problem is the Skins could win a SB and it will still never be enough. We draft, but they say it's wrong people. Whe show patience, but we want someone else in that position. We throw, we say we shoulda ran. Fans say we don't draft and groom our own talent...we get Heyer and groom him into a RT, not you say we shoulda drafted one.

Right or wrong, Snyder will never be able to do right by this city.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 8, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Actually it was just a misspelled word in a long rant but make it a big deal if you want to

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 8, 2009 2:33 PM |
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I know that.

I was being sarcastic.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Didn't see that coming from Rock. The wedge is dead, and he's being a baby. Vinny call Alridge.

Posted by: brian58 | September 8, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow, just wow taking a page from King Portis book? I wonder how that will work for Rock who also works his tail off like you wouldn't believe.

Posted by: periculum | September 8, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't go a day without bashing CP could you?

As far is Rock is concerned I would be frustrated too if the team brought in a T.J. Duckett or Shaun Alexander every time it looked like I would get an opportunity.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 8, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Peri, oh bold one...

how is that a 'wow'? I should measure each back by the same stick?! awhellllnaw.

Since when has Rock's production as an RB on this team been more than an afterthought?

He is a great (ok maybe just really damn good) ST player. He was never hired as a starting nor second string RB.

Heck, he was on the bubble in pre-season and he knew that. This is not the staff that drafted him and he'll need to prove his value almost every game.

This is not the same for Portis who we've discussed ad nauseum.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 8, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Right about Rock being on the bubble, he was 2 years ago when he signed the contract too.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 8, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Right or wrong, Snyder will never be able to do right by this city.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 8, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm a tad too young to remember this but I seem to recall many folks said things like this about Jack Kent Cooke in the decade following his purchase of the team.

Then, he brought in the right personel guy who hired the right coach and - Poof!- he's now the standard by which owners in this town are measured by.

Winning will go a long way towards mending fences with the fans.

Snyder hasn't figured out how to run a team yet but we can't say that he wont. If he does and brings home a Lombardi or two, he'll be as loved as JKC when all is said and done.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 8, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

On the grounds that they gave up a 1st round draft choice for a player, and none has shown up yet.

If he shows up and gets injured and ends up on IR all season, fine. If he shows up and fights with his coaches and gets benched or suspended for the season, fine.

But if he never shows up, it's not even a trade.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse
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How far do you take this? Should the 49es get their 10th pick back because Crabtree didn't report? But would Buff have to give them Maybin (taken 11th), and by extension have us give up Orakpo to Buff (because Maybin wouldn't have been there)? Maybe because Crabtree sits out, Orakpo has an argument that he would have gone 11th and demands more money? By the book, that would be fair, right?

See, by making things all nicey nice, you raise more questions than you answer. The solution boils down to 'swim at your own risk'.

If the Raiders were smart, they would have a physical clause, which means that a no-show would torpedo the trade, but no one would be surprised if they were not that smart.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 8, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 8, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

'I really don't see how people automatically assume this team is, at best, what it was last season. It really makes zero sense to me. '

Yeah, but the other teams have gotten better too.

I think the team is better - certainly they are on paper and certainly the defense is; but how much more are they better then the other teams have gotten.

They get some breaks, Kelly or Thomas emerges and the line holds up and they can go 10-6 and maybe win a first round post season game at home.

They go on the road against a top flight team and, well, they have no chance.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 8, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Of course it all hinges on passing a physical. That's SOP with trades. And I have to believe even the Raiders would cover that base.

Which is why if he never shows up, the trade will be nullified.

Having said that, he'll probably swallow real hard and show up.

The funny thing is there are people who will sympathize with Seymour - as if playing in the NFL, even if it's for the Oakland Raiders - is some kind of punishment, instead of what it actually is: a blessing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 8, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

My only complaint about RI today? Not enough Malcolm Kelly stories.

Posted by: TheCork | September 8, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is there are people who will sympathize with Seymour - as if playing in the NFL, even if it's for the Oakland Raiders - is some kind of punishment, instead of what it actually is: a blessing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 |

Emmitt Smith, former Dallas RB, called the trade "a tragedy." Nice perspective, Em Visit a military hospital, sometime.

He also predicted Dallas would win seven games this year--SEVEN.

He was making the talk show rounds, sponsored by "theotherwhitemeat.com" which he plugged in exchange for showing up.

That's pork, of course, and some marketting "Genius" thought it would be wise to have him as spokesperson.

I'm selling my pork futures in Dallas, hell ALL of Texas. If you were a cowboy fan--and God help you if you are--would you ever eat pork again, when their spokesman says your favorite team sucks?

I LOVE it when marketting goes terribly wrong.

Posted by: TheCork | September 8, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

peoplearestupid1..
Skins are playing JC because of his Contract size and their HUGE investment in him over the last 4 years.. $$ and a 1st, 3rd and 4th.... Dan will try to trade him again (1-3 or 0-4), before the mid October deadline, if JC is the same JC that took the Skins to 2-6, the last 8 games of last year. For the same reason Snyder tried to trade JC during the winter but no one wanted him for higher than a 3rd rounder (according to NFL.Com).
In 2007, the Skins were in a free fall of 4 losses in a row until JC was injured. Todd Collins steps in and wins all last 4 games in a row, including 2 against the Boys and Gints in must wins.. With the same Personnel (OLine and Receivers) that JC had...Skins make the playoffs and if the rookie substitute starter (due to an Oline injury), Stephon Heyer (never played a down all year), had not made an all pro out of Kearney of the Seahawks (Kearney was in the backfield more than Portis and named MVP)..Skins and Collins would of advanced, most likely..

Check their individual stats... Collins is far more effective in the red zone than JC and also with passes completed over 40+ yards. In the 4 games he started, he nearly exceeded all of what JC did in 12 games, in that category, while becoming NFL player of the month. And look at JC's stats for 2008, 3 passes over 40+ (incl YACs) FOR 16 GAMES!! Thats why the Skins scored less points than the 0-16 Lions. His cumulative stats look average because its not based on field position.. Alot of his stats were short passes outside of the red zone.

Finally, if JC is leading the Skins to a loss against the Giants, like he did twice last year, what do you have to lose by putting in TC and trying to save the game? You should play to win...and that should include replacing the QB if he is ineffective... Just like a coach would do with any position where the player is underperforming.. JC shouldnt be exempt from this...
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How are we still talking about Collins? This is ridiculous, Collins clearly is not an NFL qb. He has had like 13 years in this league and hes started how many games? Clearly, coaches dont see it in him, so what is it that you fans see? Are you an NFL scout? A coach? A player developer? Do you see something that EVERY SINGLE COACH does not? Stop this, you sound stupid every time you say it and it just annoys everyone who knows that he is a capable backup but not a starting caliber qb.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | September 8, 2009 1:39 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 8, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

And, while I admit that JC is not yet the "Franchise QB" that we would all want him to be, by virture of his improvement in each year that he's started, he deserves the chance to show that he's the man for at least half of the season - not half of a game....

And again, I have to repeat - where is someone getting the idea that there is this huge market for blockbuster, by the trade deadline mid-season trades in the NFL? This ain't baseball, and mid-season trades rarely if ever happen in the NFL.

Stop saying that, it's buggin' me!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 8, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

7-9 and it will be the final year for Zorn and Campbell.
Posted by: RedSkinHead
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I'm a 7 year season ticket holder. Best I can go is 6-10. Hope it's more.

We beat STL, Det, Philly once when Westbrook is hurt, KC, Den, Oak.

Might get a win from our thirsty players against SD if it's a meaningless game for the Chargers at the end of the season.

Posted by: InexperienceKills | September 8, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yea. Coach and quarterback gone.

Posted by: InexperienceKills | September 8, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Take a look at these results. 82% of the respondents expect the 'Skins to be 8-8 or better, and 70% expect 9-7 or better... I think we are all BIG fans here...and not being fully honest with ourselves unfortunately. If you look at what the 'Skins are expected to do by the rest of the country - it isn't nearly as good as we expect. :) Gotta love homers!

Posted by: Craightond | September 8, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

8-8 +/- 1 game. This team appears to have a championship caliber defense, a very good primary RB and QB/WRs prepared to come into their own. Unfortunately, the OL seems to be at best a huge question mark. Therefore, I think .500 is what's most likely to happen.

Next year really is this team's best bet. We've heard that before but add in an OL and a true speed change of pace RB and we really should be pretty well set.

Posted by: yusuf06 | September 8, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Listened to JZ's interview and he was pretty matter of fact that they kept 10 lineman because 2-3 are still developing or not ready to play much. Considering Rhinehart is our top reserve and he couldn't even break the starting lineup, I shudder at the thought of any injuries on the line that would sideline a starter for 3-4 games. One weak link can destroy a line and the Redskins' starters all have a history of injuries except Dockery.

The Redskins will be signing an experienced reserve OT/OG by Week 2 when they realize that none of our backups are able to play against tough teams like the Giants, Eagles, or Cowboy. I'm normally very optimistic about the Redskins, but reality says this team is 7-9 with wins against STL, DET, KC, Denver, NO, and splits with Dallas and Philly. We may get lucky and catch San Diego at the end of the season not needing a win, but we're still looking at 8/8 at best.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 8, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record -- I have the Skins at 10-6 -- provided there are no critical injuries on the OL...

Posted by: siris | September 8, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow, there's a lot of Kool-Aid here. 6-10, if they stay healthy. It's really hard to express how little you can do on offense when your offensive line is this bad / old / thin. Protection schemes don't seem very good, either. They'll start 3-1, but after that, ugly.

Posted by: kingrob76 | September 8, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I can see us winning possibly six out of division and hopefully, maybe two or three in division. So, 8-8 or 9-7 is the best I can hope for this season. I sure hope I'm wrong though!

Posted by: OLDTIMESkinsFAN | September 9, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

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