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By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  April 2, 2009; 8:56 AM ET
 
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Was this post supposed to be before or after Tampering?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Cutler is a good QB. But so is Campbell. Let's give Jason a good o-line and then judge him. Plus, sending Denver a bunch of draft picks takes away from other positions. But wait, I guess we're used to that.

Posted by: ASinNY | April 2, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder continues to run the Redskins as if it was a Fantasy League team.

Posted by: blushfilms | April 2, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

63% for Campbell after 314 votes...


However, Uncle Ricco was not a choice so I had to change my vote accordingly

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I also love all of these Donald Trumps up here who “won’t stand for another season/seasons of mediocrity”. Us folks who seem to “accept it” are just a bunch of know nothing doofuses. Really…..what are you going to do about it? Open letter to Dan Snyder in all caps on a blog? That’ll change things……if all else fails throw insults at the Post…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Is this the latest post or what, this was not posted earlier.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

dl,

There going to cry and stop watching the games on TV.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I dropped out in first grade, so I have no idea where the frig to post......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

A

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Cutler throws a ton of bad interceptions and is a proven whiney little B*TCH. Campbell is loyal to his boyz and wins at Dallas. He's gonna have a good season this year b/c he knows he has to....please just stay out of this one Snyder.

Posted by: cbace10 | April 2, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

WTF is going on with these posts, Cindy get this worked out so we know where we should be.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Here is an article from ESPN on Some SEAN TAYLOR news.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4034876

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 11:19 AM |

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Here is an article from ESPN on Some SEAN TAYLOR news.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4034876
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Stand by my belief, that reading what some people write in the comments section on articles like this, some fans are sicker and scare me worse then these criminals.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

al, disagree. there is a categorical difference between someone writing something, and the people who actually went through with committing the crime......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

if Danny pulls the trigger on a deal like this, i'm buying Ravens gear

Posted by: mdrockjock | April 2, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I am sure there is greg, but its still disturbing to see people think that way. I mean to wish torture on anyone is psychologically sick.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

al, fantasy versus reality.

These people WISH they could do this.

The people who committed the crime, broke into ST's house, and SHOT HIM.

One is nothing more than internet balls, the other is taking a life, a real person, and killing them.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't fault the skins for doing what they have to do to try to improve, but until they upgrade the o-line, the receiving corps, and the overall offensive scheme, they can bring in whomever they want and it won't make much difference - short or long-term.

Posted by: ejones1 | April 2, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

No. This is the wrong trade to do. If the skins make this trade the same thing happens to cutler as it did to Campbell. He will have no line and no draft picks to draft a line. I say take a Tackle in the draft and then lets see what Campbell can do with a little protection

Posted by: Tmartin2621 | April 2, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I guess to me I find it easy to distinguish that 1 person shot him, not all 4, and thats what scares me that not everyone can. But as it has been pointed out I am a elitist.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I see Snyder has not learned anything. In my opinion Cutler is not much better than Campbell, if at all. And besides it doesn't matter if Elway, Montana, or any other famous QB is behind center on the Redskins. Without a line it really doesn't matter who the QB is!!!

Posted by: onemikeclark | April 2, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Let that SOB rot in Jail.

Posted by: Tmartin2621 | April 2, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Say it isn't so!!!! Can't we just keep Soup, and let Cutler and his temper tantrums go elsewhere???? Somebody please knock some sense into the front office...

Posted by: SKINSFAN4LIFE1 | April 2, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

al, they were all in the house, they all had the option NOT to be involved with this. Personal responsibility. This was pre-meditated, they carried a hand-cannon for a reason. If things went bad, they wanted to hide behind it......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

When did Jay Cutler become the second coming of Jesus Christ. He is a good quarterback but so is Jason. Let's put jason in a hurry up offense 75% of the time because his defense isn't worth anything like cutler was and I bet his numbers look just as good plus jay Cutler couldn't go an entire season without throwing 15 ints more less 6 even if we tied his arms to his body. We don't need a quarterback! we need offensive and defensive linemen and wide recievers tall enough to ride all of the roller coasters at six flags. PLEASE DO NOT bring cutler to town. especially when you have a young QB getting comfortable in a system in a contract year. Is snyder really this stuuuuupid. WE WANT JASON not some chump that can't handle the media in Denver. What's he going to do here? oh, oh I know.. stink up the joint.

Posted by: hondaman579 | April 2, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I have no problem going all out life in prison on the shooter, who is not the guy they talk about at the focus of the article. Hell I am mostly anti-death penalty and would not care if the shooter gets that.

But as we have yet to see the trial I do not know what went down before this all happened, no clue, how many guns they had, who had them and who knew what.

Is he guilty of B&E, yes, what is the sentence for that in florida? But his involvement in the murder is still in question, so I say let him get a trial and see what comes out.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

If Dan Snyder really wanted to excite the fan base, he's fire Vinnie "Rasputin" Cerrato based on his decade of failure, he'd hire a real GM, and he'd build this team through stockpiling draft picks and using them wisely.

Posted by: Dellis2 | April 2, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Jason is a nice guy with a great arm and good accuracy, BUT he's cautious to the point of extreme indecision, and that hasn't changed since he started his first game. You could give him the best OL in the league, and it still won't provide him the time he requires to make a decision. He throws few interceptions because not only does he avoid throwing into coverage, he avoids throwing into anything that remotely resembles it. So you get few interceptions, but few passing TD's too. With a QB like Jason, a team needs a helluva a running game in the red zone, because he doesn't like to throw to the end zone from close range.

Cutler is a piece of work, but he'd be significant improvement at the position from a performance perspective.

Posted by: stratman1 | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MondoTE11 | April 2, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

look, if we currently swap QBs with denver, Jason Campbell with turn into a pro bowl QB with Denver.

Denver had the second best O line in football last year, Cutler was sacked only 11 times! Denver's run game has always been dominate, never slowing up even late in the season. Denver has 4 serious passing options in sheffler, marshall, royal, and stokley. Cutler was also 12-1 when his D held their oppenents under 21 points.

Washington had one of the worst O lines in football giving up 38 sacks. Campbell only threw for 6 INTS. Washington only has 2 recieving threats in Cooley and Moss. Our running game is dominate enough to set up the pass but its no way a threat like denvers stable of backs.

All of these things considered Culter still had 18 INTs. JC and Cutler had the EXACT same completion percentage, 62.3%. Yes Cutler threw for 1200 more yards then JC but he also had 100 more attempts.

So what is our team thinking?
The reason campbell hasnt reached elite status is because our O line has failed to give him time, and our receivers have failed to get open. So you want to trade a player who wont make mistakes even while under pressure, and can manage a game effectivly for our D to win it. And you want to trade him for a guy who puts up similar numbers only thing is that even when he isnt under pressue he still will throw INTs. Our D is better then Denver's but our receivers dont even come close


This reitterates what everyone has been saying for years. Give campbell an O line and recievers and watch him take us to the promise land. As long as you dont fix these shortcomings now QB will be succesfull in DC

Posted by: mehtadman87 | April 2, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Dellis2, you've got Vinnie "Towel-Boy" Cerrato pegged.

Remember when The Danny hired Schottenheimer? The press was interviewing Towel-Boy asking him about his future with the team, and he replied, " I just talked to Dan, and he said I'm good to go." Schottenheimer fired him the next day. If only he'd stayed fired.

Posted by: stratman1 | April 2, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

They might as well get Cutler, with all this build up, how is Campbell supposed to want to stay here after they lied about his status in the media?

Because of stuff like this, is exactly why they will never get anywhere on the field, I am a die hard Skins fan, but the owner is wrong here., as much as I admire his tenacity, you have to temper it sometimes.

Posted by: SeahawksSuck | April 2, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I really regret that Snyder bought this team. He has ruined a great tradition of football in the Nation's Capitol with his impatient, erratic and destructive actions. I never thought I could say this but it's just too much of a heart break and unending trouble being a fan of this team anymore. I really am sick of the state of affairs thanks to this little Napoleon Snyder! Sick!

Posted by: DaddyPowerz | April 2, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's an idea. Lets get a good O-line with some decent backups, and see how JC does with some protection for a change.

Posted by: bierbelly1 | April 2, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

If this trade goes down I'm staging a boycott of the stadium and immediately setting up a website that is anti Snyder. In fact I will denounce my 37 year allegiance to the Redskins until he is out as owner. He has taken this team and only squandered the profits because he is not willing to hire a REAL FOOTBALL MAN! Vinnie is a PUPPET! The coach is inexperienced. The players are overpaid and only come to the skins because they receive a check. There is no passion and purpose. This is the most gutless heartless professional sports organization in the country!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 2, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Who is Jay Cutler? He is Jay Shroeder, He is Jeff George, He is Heath Schuler, He is what we think he is, just a guy!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 2, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Just what the Redskins need, another thin-skinned head case.

Posted by: frank_jackman | April 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Bringing Dockery back does not fix a woeful O-line with Samuels and Jansen wiffing blocks and Heyers inexperience. So I would like to see how much better Culter would be under the same conditions as Jason, running for his life 69% of a game and throwing while laying on his back 31% of a game. If this trade happens I see a 3 and 13 season, better still we might out do the Lions and 0 and 16 negative 235 points due to interceptions returned for TD's. There are too many other needs the team has and cannot fix within the next 3 years much less throwing the baby out with the bath water. Remember folks we go into an uncapped year next year, a perfect time for the Danny to buy a brand new team.

Posted by: Skinned | April 2, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder needs to chill We do not need Jay Cutler ... You have to give Jason time to develop and plus they will give up waaaay to much to get him. SNYDER CHILL OUT LET YOUR QB develop. He made great strides last year behind a makeshift line. THe O LINE will be in order this year so give him a chance to be in a system for 2 full years before u throw him under the bus. Draft a DE/LB w/ pass rushing ability w/ the 13th pick

Posted by: kj0413 | April 2, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I take it all these votes and comments are from mostley black people!bring in the so called skinhead and watch them win!

Posted by: blainepurkey | April 2, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't care at this point. I bleed burgundy and gold, and to say "it's pointless to make a move for one of the NFLs young rising stars" doesn't make any sense. If I were Snyder, I wouldn't even have looked in Cutler's direction. Give Jason Campbell Denver's O-line and then grade him, the man has that natural born talent. I'd rather build around our former draft pick and give him the respect I feel he deserves; but I trust Snyder in what ever move he makes, because at least our franchise is owned by one of the few owners who DOESN'T HOLD ON TO A SINGLE PENNY, IT ALL GOES INTO THE TEAM WE LOVE. SPEND, SPEND, SPEND!

Posted by: doubleOneven | April 2, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Attention American Sports Fan:

what makes you think that your sports organizations are any different from your other corporations and financial institution? This country has become a singular potential money making machine. period.

There is no honor, no integrity, no friendship, no goodwill for the common cause.

It is only about money and Mr. Snyder pretty much sums it up for you.

So, instead of your misplaced anger at Redskins for chasing the splash and the incresed ad revenues, direct your anger at yourself:

you, the nachos biting, beer-drinking, cheerleader loving, useless, fatass, sportsfan, who makes the money-making machine work!

Jay Cutler and Jason Campbell? they are laughing all the way to the bank everyday for making money for the money making machine. Ah the tears....

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 2, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

If it was a one-for-one swap I'd probably go with Cutler. Maybe Campbell and a 4th round pick if that sweetens the deal.

Lose Campbell and multiple picks in exchange for Cutler?

No thanks.

The Skins still have to fill in gaps at LB and on the O and D line. In the future they'll need to get an RB and they still may need to upgrade at receiver. The most pressing need right now definitely isn't QB. Even Tom Brady would struggle with this Skins and its front office.

Posted by: JPRS | April 2, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree with everyone here who thinks Dan Snyder and in some ways, Vinny Cerrato is the worst thing for the Redskins since the Bubonic Plague. I also humbly admit that peaceful2008 has a point, that they're the epitome of our broken economic system and some of the unedifying values we may bring into the football tradition. Still, I've always hated how Snyder prioritizes business and instant gratification above perseverance, character, and loyalty, some elements as you all know, are needed to establish a winning tradition. I hate how he entices us to pour in our hearts and resources for the next scintillating sensation only to see it crash and burn while he makes a sizable profit like an affair with a black widow. He's a terrible representative of this organization. We're sick of being betrayed over and over again. I hope he rots in hell with the rest of the greeds. Like someone else said, this deals goes down and I'm boycotting the Redskins until there's serious revolution.

Posted by: philip413 | April 2, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

After 3,108 votes, 70% want Jason.

Posted by: doubleOneven | April 2, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly why I will never buy another ticket to a Redskins game or buy a single piece of merchandise. I will root for the team no matter who they put out on the field because I am a fan, but I refuse to give money to this owner who really just has no clue how to run a franchise. We can't fire him or boo him or force him out, so the only way that fans can express displeasure at management is to close the wallet. Unfortunately, it won't matter and we're stuck with this dingbat in the front office for the next forty years or more, so expect a lot more mediocrity in the future. Hey, Raiders fans are used to it.

Posted by: seewhite101 | April 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

phillips a cowpie!

Posted by: doubleOneven | April 2, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I have never commented on this blog or any message board before. But this is it for me. I have been a die hard Skins' fan since '82 when I was 6-years old and rode back to my mother's house with my dad after we beat the Dolphins in XVII. Never saw anything like that excitement before. And then relived it in '87 and '92. But this is it. They make this trade and I can't keep doing it. It's insanity.

I live in Pittsburgh now. In two years here, I've seen how they run this franchise up here. It's becoming embarassing to root for a team that stands for the exact opposite of not only a winning franchise like the Steelers -- but the opposite of what I stand for. Too many shortcuts. Too little integrity. Too much money with hardly the ROI.

I like Jason Campbell well enough, but that's not all of it. We traded a bunch for this guy a few years ago -- including trading Denver a first round pick that they would later use to get Cutler! Campbell has been through constant change since he's been with the Skins -- and he's been a super stand-up guy. Isn't there something to be said for that? Why is the grass always greener? At what point do we take our time and build our own? How will we build anything if we give up another first round pick?

Seriously. I've taken too long on this. I can't keep committing this kind of energy to something beyond my control and beyond my belief...

Posted by: Felix123 | April 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I also love all of these Donald Trumps up here who “won’t stand for another season/seasons of mediocrity”. Us folks who seem to “accept it” are just a bunch of know nothing doofuses. Really…..what are you going to do about it? Open letter to Dan Snyder in all caps on a blog? That’ll change things……if all else fails throw insults at the Post…..
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Not renewing your season tickets the next year would send a strong message. The Redskins are well aware of the ticket turnover ratio. If that ratio goes up and people stop putting their names on the waiting list, Cerrato will be fired and Snyder will bring a good football guy in here to keep the cash coming.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | April 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Dellis2

Snyder will not fire Vinny and hire another GM because that would render him irrelivent seeing that he can step in at any time and tell vinny what to do. You think he could do that to an established well respected GM with a proven record? People like Snyder and Jerry Jones are use to being the most important voice in the room. They cant just sit back like the owners of teams like the steelers and patriots or colts and allow football guys to make personel decisions. They want the credit for building their own teams. The problem is they are not good at it. But they think because they are good at other things that they can be GM's too.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 2, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

All the OL protection in the world isn't going to have a major effect on Jason. Many of last year's 38 sacks were on him, not the OL (though the OL certainly was responsible for its share). Jason is an overly cautious, indecisive QB who takes an interminable amount of time to make a decision in drop-back. No OL can offer the protection he requires given his style of play. Zorn specifically called him out on this early last season, and he really didn't improve much during the remainder of the season.

Posted by: stratman1 | April 2, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

stratman wrote:
Jason is a nice guy with a great arm and good accuracy, BUT he's cautious to the point of extreme indecision, and that hasn't changed since he started his first game. You could give him the best OL in the league, and it still won't provide him the time he requires to make a decision.

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How do you know this? What empirical evidence do you have that the rest of us dont? A guy with a good completion percentage and few INTs despite so many sacks would not throw more TDs if he had more time to throw the ball and better receivers to throw to?

Steve Young had 8 TD and 13 INTs in 1986 with Tampa Bay. The next year he had 10 TD and 0 INTs with the 49ers. Using your logic the 49ers should have left Steve Young in Tampa.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | April 2, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

ProfessorWright, you must be smoking something. There are 74,000 fans on the waiting list right now, and that doesn't count the number who'd like to be but are too discouraged at their prospects to even bother signing up. Assuming each member on the list is looking to purchase only two tickets, that's 148,000 seats. Snyder has no worries about filling FedEx field for years to come, and a few futile fan protests aren't going to change that. Get real.

Posted by: stratman1 | April 2, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Dellis2

Snyder will not fire Vinny and hire another GM because that would render him irrelivent seeing that he can step in at any time and tell vinny what to do. You think he could do that to an established well respected GM with a proven record? People like Snyder and Jerry Jones are use to being the most important voice in the room...
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The difference is that Jerry Jones played football at Arkansas and won a national championship. He was smart enough to hire Jerry Jones and smart enough to fire Barry Switzer. He also pulled off some of the best trades in football unlike Snyder who is routinely bilked. He's a football guy and knows what he's doing and Snyder is not.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | April 2, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Professor Wright wrote:

How do you know this? What empirical evidence do you have that the rest of us dont? A guy with a good completion percentage and few INTs despite so many sacks would not throw more TDs if he had more time to throw the ball and better receivers to throw to?

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Easy, I've watched him play every game since he assumed the starting role. It doesn't get any more empirical than that, and you should know the literal definition of empirical, since you're a self-proclaimed professor. Zorn himself said Jason holds the ball to long - you can look it up right here at the Post site. No matter how much time an OL gives him, he'll want more, just as all indecisive people do: such people never have enough time to suit them. No OL can block long enough, and no WR can get and stay open long enough for Jason to be effective given his current inability to make reasonably quick decisions.

Posted by: stratman1 | April 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Mark Rypien wasn't a franchise QB - he worked within the system. Doug Williams wasn't a franchise QB - he worked within the system. Jason Campbell will be fine - just let him continue working hard like he is. He's a Redskin.

Posted by: AsstGM | April 2, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

SI is reporting that the Bronco's have let it be known around the league that their asking price for Cutler is a minimum of two 1st rounders, but that a QB doesn't have to be part of the deal. That eliminates one of the advantages the 'Skins presumably had over other teams, like the Bucs, who have no acceptable QB to deal.

Again, I like Cutler for Jason and another player or a lower pick, but forget giving up TWO 1st rounders. We have too many other needs.

Posted by: stratman1 | April 2, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Jason may not be the answer, Cutler is definitly not. Where is Zorn in all of this, Snyder and Vinny are killing me.

Posted by: Terps_fan | April 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Josh McDaniels is a genius, you take a cry baby mistake prone QB, trade him away for draft picks, find your starting QB in late rounds ala Cassel and Brady, and use your multitude of draft picks to build a solid team starting with strong offensive and defensive lines. Brilliant ... now fire Cerrato and get someone to help Danny boy ties his shoes without spilling his milk and cookies.

Posted by: hakimallen | April 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

What makes anyone think we would recognize a franchise QB if and when we had one? We've not had a starting QB that was with the club longer than 3 years since Jurgenson and will not have under the current model employed by "Danny DO Little" and Vinnie the Vexed. History demonstrates that niether has any idea about how to build a team period must less a winner. Franchise or Cracker Jack Prize they both equate to the same thing for these guys.

Posted by: Skinned | April 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

We believe that our backup QB, Collins did so much better than Jasan Campbell that one year cause he knew the play book so much better than Jason. No, he was like Kurt Warner or Payton Manning, whenever Collins went back to pass, he NEVER threw to his 5 yard checkdown man. His passes were alwasy 10 or 15 yeards minimum, so if he makes a competion, it was instantly a first down. Jason, looks for Santanna Moss and if you double him, he goes right to his check down, 3 yard safety valve or gets sacked. Jason NEVER spreads the ball around to his recievers. Collins got the ball to Randle El, and a bunch of scrubs not even with the team anymore. When's the last time a redskin reciever other than Moss and once in awhile, Cooley, had more than 1 or 2 catches in a game under Campbell. That's just his way...

Posted by: PAULBOND0077 | April 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I have been a Redskins fan some forty years, every since I was a little boy and this team was accustom to good management and good coaching. They had some really bad years back then and some really good ones because they always stuck with the plan, no matter what, they stuck with the plan. Now they have an owner that thinks he can buy a super bowl, after all these failed years of spending on pieces that do not fit, and a manager that's only here to suck up to this simple ass owner. They have a good, up and coming coach who will only get better and is know for making good qbs but they don't have good ownership or management. This team will never win again as long as Cerrato and Snyder are running things. I have never thought of bailing on my beloved Redskins but this might be that time. Snyder, stop the madness, you know marketing, stick to it and hire someone that knows football and get the hell out of there way, hire a real general manager.......

Posted by: REDSKINS1956 | April 2, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

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