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Zorn and the Shotgun

Watching Jim Zorn as he talked about Jason Campbell going more to the shotgun yesterday, I couldn't help but get the feeling the rookie coach was a little hesitant, something less than thrilled about it. First of all, kudos to J Reid for being all over this development, and I can see both sides.

Campbell is trying to learn another new system, is looking for things that feel comfortable and believes that being deeper in the pocket allows him to see his smallish receivers more easily downfield. And I give Zorn credit for being flexible, listening to his pupil and trying to work with him. But judging by some of the pauses, some of the looks on Zorn's face as he talked about the shotgun yesterday, you could tell it runs counter to what he's looking for in his offense.


He wants perfect timing under center, perfect footwork, a symmetry of motion of every play. The shotgun lets the defense off the hook to a large degree, and, unless it's a draw play, you know the pass is coming. It takes away any semblance of play action. It runs counter to a lot of Zorn's beliefs. He wants the ball flying out of there right away, not everyone waiting on a longer snap.

Zorn was asked about the positives and negatives of giving Campbell a little more leeway to go to the shotgun more often - the passer already had the ability to audible into it in many situations - and had a hard time coming up with positives. As for the negatives, well:

"It limits any kind of real run threat," Zorn said. "It puts the back on one side of the quarterback. You have to block one side." You got the sense he could go on and on about why this isn't the way to go on any kind of regular basis.

Like Zorn, I'm not sure that this is the long-term solution to much - having a more well-rounded and better prepared group of receivers would help - and it could certainly allow some poor habits to creep in very early as the players adapt.

But if it makes Jason Campbell feel more at home, given the state of the offense right now, I think it's hardly the worst concession in the world. I'm not sure how much of a difference it's going to make given the scope of the issues at hand, though it is a sign to the players that Zorn is willing to meet them in the middle. With the schedule that's coming up here over the first half of the season, building up some good will can't be a bad thing.

In the end, either Zorn will be given sufficient time for his principles to take hold, or he won't. Either Campbell will be given at least a season to develop in yet another new system, or he won't. The front office will stick to a program, be steadfast in its belief that developing a West Coast identity will take them to the promised land, or it will keep searching for that next best thing every few years.

Zorn and Campbell are certainly tied to one another for now, and with the offense facing a mini-crisis so early in the season, and his young QB trying to find some stability and confidence, I applaud giving JC something to feel good about, and empowering him at least to some extent in an offense he is clearly trying to feel his way through.
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Randoms: Forgot to point out B-Lloyd made a few nice catches the other night. Still going on like three years since he has set foot in the end zone, but Kyle Orton seems to trust him and he ran some nice outside routes and caught a third-down ball. The underdogs I liked this week - Carolina, Chicago, Kansas City (not to win but to keep it close, pre-Brady injury and all) - fared pretty well, but my gut feeling on the Pittsburgh and Philly blowouts was way off. I thought those games would be closer. ... Memo to Virginians: never take the ability to hop into any grocery store or convenience store and load up on beer and wine for granted. Never. ...

When the Pats were streamrolling everyone a year ago I remember saying that the one big danger in going for the throat the way they did is that maybe Tom Brady stays on the field too long and someone takes him out. Turns out they lost him under nothing close to those circumstances. I never had an issue with what they did a year ago, though others did. I wonder if any of that camp looked at this as a karma payback. ...

I have a feeling the Skins LBs are going to be chasing a lot of plays again this week. Not having a full-go Rocky McIntosh (he's clearly not right given his knee issues; ditto for Jason Taylor who, upon a second watching of the game, was worse than even I originally thought Thursday) to me is huge, especially way teams are likely to run at the edge of the defense. McIntosh and Marcus (hip) need to be playmakers in the run defense. ... Zorn also elaborated a bit on his self-chiding for not going no huddle more Thursday. As he has said before, he doesn't think it's a tool to utilize too frequently and likes it just as a change of pace. I wouldn't expect to see it as necessarily a staple in every 2- or 4-minute drill even after the debacle in the Meadowlands the other night ... Poor Yankees. Wonder what other excused Steinbrenner II is gonna make? Too many owies for that $200-million payroll? Pavano came back two years too late? That team just managed itself all these years. Joe Torre, that knownothing.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 9, 2008; 8:30 AM ET
 
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Posted by: Shizzle | September 9, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Fallopian...

Posted by: The Tubes | September 9, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Redskins 9
Saints 41

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Forgot to point out B-Lloyd made a few nice catches the other night.

you love it don't you jlc you tubby dork

Posted by: jonthefisherman | September 9, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

After watching the Giants on Thursday, then Philly and Dallas (Jesus help us) on Sunday, this team will be lucky to crack 7 wins.

At least we'll have some high picks next year. Whoops, except for that second rounder.

Some things never change.

Posted by: Don Warren | September 9, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Don't look now, the 'skins next four opponents are undefeated.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 9, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Just a quibble. The 'Two Minute Offense' is when a team is down at the end of the half and trying to score before time expires. It doesn't matter if there is actually more than two minutes left, if you are trying to move the ball quickly and conserve time that is a two minute offense. The 'Four Minute Offense' is when you are trying to run time off the clock because you are ahead at the end of a game. Again, there can be more or less than four minutes, but if you are running the clock that is the four minute offense. The 'Four Minute Offense' is not synonomous (in fact it is dimetrically opposed) to the 'Two Minute Offense'. It is not a two minute offense with more than two minutes left. Football is not a complicated game, at least we can get the terms right.

Posted by: Ehren | September 9, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Good to see JLC took some time out from doming Jerry Coleman up to actually post something Skins related...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Weird Memmo by JLC. Whats the deal with that?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

My objection is to the following passage (the conflation happens all the time): "I wouldn't expect to see it as necessarily a staple in every 2- or 4-minute drill even after the debacle in the Meadowlands the other night."

Posted by: Ehren | September 9, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I guess I don't get the point of referencing anything that B-Lloyd did? What was the point?

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I guess I don't get the point of referencing anything that B-Lloyd did? What was the point?

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 8:55 AM

I agree. It wasn't like this organization didn't give B-Loyd every opportunity (and the money to match) to contribute here. His lack of productivity was on him. Now that he has a few catches in another system, doesn't have any bearing on the skins. Now on the other hand, the fact that they extended his contract and increased his pay structure in the first place...that's another issue.

Posted by: Nico | September 9, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

It's not like Soup didn't have time against the Giants, arguably the best defense we're going to face this year.

Why the shift to Gun? If it opens up the run a bit I'll eat some crow. But for "west coast" that seems to be opposite talk.

Note to Zorn - stop looking for augmented ninths and THROW TO THE TIGHT END!!!

geez.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Lloyd made a catch for the Bears,
Chicago, where good WR's go to die, and where dead WR's can suddenly look good.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Lloyd, Brandon was a staple of our blog conversation over the past few years and his adventures, good or bad, warrant at least a mention. Same could be said about Archibingus.

Agree with Dik, gotta get the Tight Ends involved this week. We also need to see a little bit of Mike Sellars steam rolling DB's to get that image of LaRon being planted in the Meadowlands turf out of our minds.

Posted by: etrod | September 9, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

JLC's musings are pretty much in line with my own (for better or worse). Knowing how Zorn worked in Seattle, I figured the shotgun was a compromise. Kind of like a lifeline to a drowning swimmer. My guess is that either Zorn or Campbell goes by season end. If it were me, I'd give JC the reins through the Rams game. If they're 1-5 at that point ( a distinct possibility), with all the games being conference games and 3 of those being division games, I'd make the switch to Colt if the offense is still struggling. With that kind of conference and division record 6 games in, you're probably dead anyhoo in terms of wildcard tiebreakers. That would give Colt 10 real games to see if he has the talent to be a starting QB. Or it lets Zorn know he has to find a QB in the draft.

Posted by: 4th in the East | September 9, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn doesn't think the no-huddle hurry up is a tool to utilize too frequently, then he must not want to win winnable games he is trailing at the end. This is very alarming.

Zorn is constantly preaching that he wants Campbell to move "faster in rhythm." I would go so far as to suggest that Zorn open the game in a no-huddle hurry-up to force Campbell into playing quickly. This would also force rhythm, and might catch the Saints off guard.

Posted by: Quinn | September 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Question: Does anyone else notice that the smash mouth mentality isn't there with Zorn? Perhaps due to WCO? Perhaps due to being unfamiliar with NFC East. It seems to have a direct bearing on how he's using those players particularly suited for this (Sellars, Cooley, Portis, the run game overall). I worry that by trying to have a hybrid of offenses (WCO passing, keeping the same running game, ultimately the Skins will be successful at neither.

Posted by: Nico | September 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

As nasty as this sounds, I still can't get over the TV picture of Vinny Cerrato's "deer-in-the-headlights-look" the other night on NBC. Absolutely priceless! Unfortunately, as long as those two idiots run this team, I think we've got a lock on 4th place. Bright side: there aren't five teams in our division anymore!

Posted by: 4th in the East | September 9, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Captaaain Caaaaave Maaaan!

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Fallopian...

Posted by: The Tubes | September 9, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

It's not like Soup didn't have time against the Giants, arguably the best defense we're going to face this year.

Why the shift to Gun? If it opens up the run a bit I'll eat some crow. But for "west coast" that seems to be opposite talk.

Note to Zorn - stop looking for augmented ninths and THROW TO THE TIGHT END!!!

geez.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 9:00 AM

Dik,
He had a little time sure. But they were loading the box against the pass and he clearly felt rushed. The gun will allow him to "see the WR's better" as he said he was having problems finding them last week. It will also allow him to see the whole field on each play when the snap comes.

Last week he looked down 1 side of the field (usually the right) and ignored the other.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

This is the problem with this organization. There is no long term approach. Someone (Usually the job of the GM) needs to step in and say, "We're committed to the WCO and if it takes 3 years of suffering to get it right then we'll do it"

Someone explain to me the wisdom of getting rid of one of the bed rocks of the WCO so that we can do better against the Saints in week 2?

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

ARE PATS STANDING PAT?
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2008, 8:34 a.m. EDT
The disclosure on Monday that Chris Simms and Tim Rattay were brought to New England and then asked to leave is, to say the least, unusual. And we see only two explanations for it.

First, the Patriots abruptly decided to move ahead with unproven Matt Cassel and rookie Kevin O’Connell as the only two quarterbacks. Second, the Pats came up with another plan.

Under either scenario, the decision to not even kick the tires of Simms and Rattay makes no sense. Why not see what they have, in the event they can help the team over the balance of the year?

Chris Mortensen suggested on Monday night that receiver Randy Moss might be lobbying for the team to pursue recently-retired Daunte Culpepper, who hasn’t responded to our Sunday e-mail regarding whether he’d pull a Favre if the Pats call.

The other possibility is that the Pats are planning to swing a deal for someone currently on another team’s depth chart. The problem, however, is that any team with a solid backup likely won’t be inclined to trade him, because said team might need him as soon as this Sunday.

Moreover, how many backup quarterbacks out there are any better than Matt Cassel? Patrick Ramsey? Shaun Hill? Kellen Clemens? Ryan Fitzpatrick? Charlie Frye?

So our guess is that the Patriots have decided that, for now, they’re going to go with what they have, and hope for the best.

By the way, the rest of the team isn’t too bad.

They did not mention Collins.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 9, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Skinz
No one is getting rid of the bedrocks of the WCO, but in the modern WCO's run by teams like NE, IND,GB, PHI you do use shotgun. Aaron Rodgers did a lot of playing from deep last night.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I think maybe the B.Lloyd comment was to intimate that a possible reason for his lack of production here was not just on him. He certainly had faults, but the implication is that with Orton having confidence in him, and an OC willing to put him out there, the guy can produce. As for its place in this post, well, it goes back to JC. JC didn't have confidence in BLloyd. The few times he did throw to him, it was in the wrong circumstances or was a bad throw. JC looks too often to one receiver, and is too quick to go to dump off -- always has. This is a reason for his failure on Thursday, and I think is ultimately the major source of concern for Zorn. Along with the other issues noted here with the shotgun formation, putting JC in an easier position (in his mind) to make throws will not solve the major problem with his play -- his deliberate focus on one receiver, which is concomitant with either a reluctance or an inability to comfortably get rid of the ball quickly. Kind of like giving a kid who can't read well a cheat sheet on a test -- yeah, it will likely give him some help, but ultimately it doesn't solve the problem. No, I'm not questioning JC's intelligence, just making an analogy. Sure, put JC in more shotguns, but within reason. Continue to work with him on trying to get rid of the ball earlier, to either throw and let the play develop to the primary receiver or to quickly identify and throw to another, without telegraphin his intention to the defense. But if the shotgun doesn't help, if this major weakness is never eliminated or mitigated, it's time to get another quarterback, one of Zorn's own choosing, not one inherited with an unfounded QB of the future mantle. Enough excuses about too many new offenses, not enough shotgun, receivers too short, etc. JC needs to produce this year. Zorn should of course help him do that, but not by sacrificing his proven offense and the running game for a tactic that does not even address the root of the problem.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Quick, name a breakfast treat that is better than a fresh chocolate donut?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

This is for The Truth, and cuz my uncle went to UGA...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFtszXrC0R0

Posted by: [cc] | September 9, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Being under center isn't a requirement int the WCO. McNabb spends half the game in the shotgun and Brady used it a lot too. it just depends on who's version you're using.

It's just an avenue to help JC not suck as much as he gets used to the system.

4th, i don't understand the logic of giving Colt 10 games and JC only 6 in the new offense. I'd say if JC dosent show improvement after 10 games, you make a switch. And even then it would be to Todd, not Colt.

Posted by: etrod | September 9, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I think they should fosho run the no huddle more. Last year when they let Jason run the no huddle in some games is when he played his best if you ask me. As for getting the tight ends involved that is on JC as well they were running routes in the Giants game it was just that JC wasn't coming off that first receiver and getting them the ball. As for the run game they need to get back to some of those stretch type plays and let Portis pick a hole to hit. In the Giants game I saw too many of those quick hitters into the middle of the line. Let Portis, and Betts try to get to the edge a little more think they are best there.

Posted by: wstclair | September 9, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is not in the smash-mouth mold, nor does he have a moldy smashed mouth. If you hire a Seahawk than don't expect a Steeler to be coaching your team.

Incidentally, I have never understood how Jack Lambert dominated the game, hitting and intimidating opponents with equal ferocity, given the fact that he only weighted 220 or thereabouts.

Posted by: Bud Jackson | September 9, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

JLC's musings are pretty much in line with my own (for better or worse). Knowing how Zorn worked in Seattle, I figured the shotgun was a compromise. Kind of like a lifeline to a drowning swimmer. My guess is that either Zorn or Campbell goes by season end. If it were me, I'd give JC the reins through the Rams game. If they're 1-5 at that point ( a distinct possibility), with all the games being conference games and 3 of those being division games, I'd make the switch to Colt if the offense is still struggling. With that kind of conference and division record 6 games in, you're probably dead anyhoo in terms of wildcard tiebreakers. That would give Colt 10 real games to see if he has the talent to be a starting QB. Or it lets Zorn know he has to find a QB in the draft.

Posted by: 4th in the East | September 9, 2008 9:08 AM

I couldn't disagree more. It seems unlikely as well given how much Zorn seems to believe Colt is a work in progress.

The NFL is an incredibly fast-paced game. The timing involved for a quarterback requires lots of repetition and experience. Giving up on Campbell so quickly, after throwing a 3rd offense in 4 years at him, is exactly the impatient mentality that the Redskins organization needs to shed. There are no shortcuts to building a championship quality team.

As JLC says, "The front office will stick to a program, be steadfast in its belief that developing a West Coast identity will take them to the promised land, or it will keep searching for that next best thing every few years."

As far as I'm concerned that extends to the quarterback as much as the coach and offensive system. The redskins need continuity, not the countless QB and coaching changes that we've had for the past 15 years.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | September 9, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Also, and I'm sure someone touched on it earlier this week, that first sack was completely Soup's fault. Dude ran directly into Justin Tuck who was pushed way outside by Heyer AND someone else (Thomas?). Maybe going to the gun will give him more room to maneuver but he's gonna need to get that Favrian sense of where the defenders are and get the hell out of the way.

Posted by: [cc] | September 9, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

The scary thing in Jasno's post is the comment about giving Campbell and Zorn a full season to get this worked out. Let's face it. What we're seeing from Campbell is exactly what we've seen for two years. A few nice throws, slow reads, locks on one receiver, doesn't seem to have very good downfield vision, poor field generalship. Like the "NFL exec" said, he could be pretty decent in the right system, but the WCO is not it.

A couple more debacles and the fans will be demanding Colt. They may be right.

Posted by: AAA | September 9, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Redskins will go 1-15 this season, matches Miami last year. The reason is the players are not real good and over rated.

Posted by: RealFan | September 9, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Honestly and I hate to say this but JC had the same recievers last year, and I did not here this shotgun debate. Saunders did not use the shotgun that much. I think JC is feeling the pressure and is looking for excuses. You have to be able to play under center and in shotgun, and if a 6-5 guy can not see the field then there is a problem with his eyes. I have supported JC but I am not a fan of excuses, go out and play. He was not under that much pressure in the Gints game they only had one sack. He needs to be able to move in the pocket to by time, and if he gets rid of the ball faster that helps with the rush as well.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 9, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Well, it cant hurt to use it more. We cant do ut every time, but if you run 25% of the time in SG, pass 25% and have the same split under center, then teams cant key on much.


Does anyone wanna go back to their TIVO of the game and see how many times JC audibled?

I dont remember him doing it much.

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

We also need more of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbCzdv9JXrs

Posted by: [cc] | September 9, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Calling Tim Tebow... Calling Tim Tebow...

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | September 9, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

True WCO (The one run by Holmgren up in Seattle and I assume what Zorn was brought in to emulate) doesn't use it for many of the reasons listed above.

Shotgun allows the DB's to lean pass as well as keys your RB to one side. The problem with this in WCO is that you don't stretch the field so you must keep the LB's honest to the play action for slants and Ins. It also pulls the DBs off the line instead of keying off the backfield action.

Then again My Football IQ as always 0.0

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey, if it works, I'm all for it.

I'm just worried that, given the apparent lack of running ability, the Gun will be a waste in that we'll be showing our hand before it's played.

Even an impotent running game can draw coverage from an escaping TE or RB.

I saw more than a few plays w/ wide open underneath receivers being ignored while soupy tried for bigger yards to fully covered receivers. Heck, I was even worried he wouldn't hit the receiver low for the touchdown at the end of the half.

Buuut, like I said, if it works.. great.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I was just thinking we have no solid backups at our linebacker positions. 2 out of the 3 are old, still good but for how much longer? Our O-line is old as hell also. You see the good teams out there all have youth at those positions. Except maybe the Patriots so go figure! Edie Royal had a better game than the Eagles rookie wr. When the heck was he drafted??? yet none of ours have done anything...

Posted by: Doom and gloom | September 9, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Can Zorn be a player/coach? Is that allowed?

If "Zorn the QB" were to take a couple of snaps from behind this Skins line, maybe "Zorn the Coach" would appreciate Campbell's request for using the shotgun.

Then again, maybe Campbell just wants to carry a shotgun while on the field, for defensive purposes only.

Naturally.

Posted by: DC Voter | September 9, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone wanna go back to their TIVO of the game and see how many times JC audibled?

I dont remember him doing it much.


Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 9:36 AM

JC was never allowed to audible when Gibbs was here. I actually remeber reading that there were no audibles, so this might take more time for him to learn. I think Gibbs had such a leash on him, and made him play so conservative that it will take time for him to open up and play with a swagger.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 9, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Johnnie Futbol has got THE point. We can b!tch and moan every year about how this needs to change and that needs to change. Then, when they change, we b!tch some more that they need to change again, or just change faster. A lot of people jump on the front office for this same thing, and they're right. It's just kind of stupid to rail against the front office for doing the same thing as a large group of the fans. Championships are built through consistency which we do not yet have. Pulling Zorn or Campbell's card this year just puts us that much further away from establishing any sort of winning tradition.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Sorry that didn't make much sense. What I really just meant to say was that you don't freeze the LBs as well and that it's harder to stretch the field out laterally since in the WCO you don't stretch the field vertically.

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey Vinny,

Take a look around the league and see how many second round offensive and defensive linemen there are performing at a very high level. Just one more thing we won't have next year. But hey, we have an Arnold Wannabe with two unproductive years of getting bashed off the LOS to look forward too.

Maybe it's just me, but when Ilook at the performing teams right now (preseason and this week) I can instantly see the difference between their rosters and ours? They look bigger, stronger, leaner, and more aggressive.

Can we petition for new public ownership and get rid of those tools? Greenbay has it going on.

Posted by: Devo | September 9, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

If the same coaches were in place, Campbell would and should have lost his starting job to Collins. The coaching shuffle just delayed the inevitable. Campbell is not starting QB quality. But dont blame it all on him. The front office continually does not place a priority on the offensive and defensive lines for drafts.

The Redskins front line has through the recent years been an awful pass protect line. Gibbs compensated for this by going max protect and grinding the running game. This offensive line run blocks much better than pass blocks. If the skins want to work best with what they got, they'll run the ball 70% of the time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

ColtBrennanColtBrennanColtBrennan!

heheheheheheh

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Get ready for yet another new system next year!

Posted by: Bill Cowher | September 9, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

What I am worried most about is that JC at this point is over coached. Remember at some point in training camp everyone was falling over themselves saying how good he looked?

Now he looks like he's thinking WAAAY too much and looks so uncomfortable. Maybe Zorn should walk away for a few days and work with the WRs or something. Let kid play "pitch and catch" without putting too much thought into it.

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Blow off, Cowher! Hey, at least if you bring me in, no new system!

Posted by: Mike Holmgren | September 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I think Jim Zorn should quit the BS about trying to develop Campbell once again. How many times do you have to teach a guy a new system?
This far along in his career with all the knowledge Campbell has gained, he has no excuse. He's better off being a backup with that kind of knowledge because he can't perform on the field. Have him send the plays into an athlete who can play.
I think Colt Brennan needs to start, we need to use more shotgun, start winning games and forget about trying to balance your offense. People forget that in 2006 Hawaii had a near 1000 yd rusher in Nate Ilaoa

Posted by: williamsjp79 | September 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Please stop with the Collins would have started crap. It wouldn't happen.

Remember Drew Brees in SD?

Favre in Green Bay?

Todd Collins would not start under any circumstances unless this team was truly a contender for the Super Bowl. Like Indy/Pats type contender.

Posted by: Please stop it with Collins already. IT'S OVER!!! | September 9, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I was just thinking we have no solid backups at our linebacker positions. 2 out of the 3 are old, still good but for how much longer? Our O-line is old as hell also. You see the good teams out there all have youth at those positions. Except maybe the Patriots so go figure! Edie Royal had a better game than the Eagles rookie wr. When the heck was he drafted??? yet none of ours have done anything...

Posted by: Doom and gloom | September 9, 2008 9:42 AM

Yes, the starters are old, but it looks like there is a youth movement starting.
O-Line: Geisenger, Rinehardt, Heyer, Crummey (practice squad.) D-Line: Montgomery, Golston, Rob Johnson, Wilson, Alexander, and James. Even some youth at linebacker: Rocky (although an injury concern), Blades, Fincher. To me it seems like CB and LB need some injection of youth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins front line has through the recent years been an awful pass protect line. Gibbs compensated for this by going max protect and grinding the running game. This offensive line run blocks much better than pass blocks. If the skins want to work best with what they got, they'll run the ball 70% of the time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:45 AM

If Gibbs thought the offense line was so bad why did he never draft a young lineman he was to busy trading picks for bum FA. Gibbs was the man in charge of everything personell for the last 4 years so do not say he compensated for the lack of a line by pounding the running game, when it is his fault the line is lacking.

Anybody that knows Gibbs knows he likes veterans always has the first time he left the team had no young talent, the second time is a little better but not much.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 9, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan was drafted in the 6th round, so he's at least as good as Tom Brady.

Posted by: Skins Fan Logic, Chapter 1 | September 9, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan was drafted, which means he's easily better than that undrafted schlub Tony Romo. HAIL!

Posted by: Skins Fan Logic, Chapter 2 | September 9, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

*Rob Jackson*

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan was a 1st round talent, and we got him in the 6th round! OMG! We should play him because he can obviously play in this league...didn't you see the Hall of Fame Game against the Colts in preseason Week One?

Posted by: Skins Fan Logic, Chapter 3 | September 9, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, this Colt Brennen talk needs to stop. He's a rookie 6 or 7th round pick and needs time to develop into a NFL caliber QB. He hasn't played against 1st string defense. His arm doesn't look strong enough yet (his passes were floating during pre-season), plus I predict a lot of balls will be knocked down by that sidearm delivery. JC is by far the best QB option we have, I don't trust Collins in this system.

Posted by: No to Colt - not yet at least | September 9, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Skinz
True Big Mike, The HC not our FB, did not use much shotgun in his WCO. But he also ran more of the classic WCO. I think Zorn is still trying to figure out what kind they can run here, hence he is willing to hear out what JC wants to do.

JC's physical talents are more of the Favre type, with less intangible talent. Big arm, but needs more accuracy. Favre knew how to throw down the field as well as laterally and it was his ability to do both that made him effective.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I am not on the Colt bandwagon if the season is lost then maybe give him some playing time, there is no use putting Collins in if the season is lost, he will not be here next year anyway.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 9, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I told you so about Jason Campbell.

Now all kneel at my feet.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 9, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Gooooddd Morrnnin Redskins Chums,

Mah momma used to serve me up Catfish Pie as a comfert fude win I was down and mah team a little limp. Maybe yall wud like to giv er a go:

3 catfish (heads, whiskers and all)
2 cups chickin gravy
3 cups corn flour
1 cup ovin roasted headcheese

just blend and serve raw over toasted toast
Yer good pal Slim in Big D

Posted by: Slim Pickins | September 9, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"This is for The Truth, and cuz my uncle went to UGA...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFtszXrC0R0

Posted by: [cc] | September 9, 2008 9:23 AM "

yeah I was at the game, row 1 at the south endzone, awesomeness. Lotsa nice cleavage shots from the chicks walking by right below by the hedges and got to see the first TD up close along with the big pick by Dobbs. My favorite moment was that INT at the end of the first half, it woke everybody up.

and obviously Knowshon is the man

DRAFT KNOWSHON AND STAFFORD

Posted by: The Truth | September 9, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

...we could still go 15-1.

Posted by: not really gonna happen, but... | September 9, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is a natural - now there's some Skins logic.

He needs some seasoning, sure. But he's looked pretty good so far. At least as good as Soup and better than Collins.

If you're a skins fan, you should be pleased by his play. What he does show better than any other QB on our roster, is an ability to run the play instead of having the play run him.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Devo, can you name some of the players in your claim?

"Take a look around the league and see how many second round offensive and defensive linemen there are performing at a very high level"

Just curious....

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

If you're a skins fan, you should be pleased by his play. What he does show better than any other QB on our roster, is an ability to run the play instead of having the play run him.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 10:01 AM
Dick thats a good way of putting it.

He still needs time. He was better than the rest of the 3rd stingers at pre-season no question, lets see how he does next pre-season compared to the 2nd stringers.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Get ready for yet another new system next year!

Posted by: Bill Cowher | September 9, 2008 9:46 AM

Will you at least fire Danny's BFF Vinny, and get some real football know-how in that FO.

Posted by: Devo | September 9, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

So anybody know if The Zornster REALLY wanted JC as his QB? Remember Zorn right away saying it's 100% JC's job. Was that cause of The Danny's Crew that the QB competition wasn't opened and we didn't draft higher?

Or is that common sense and I'm just naive?


I really don't know, all I know is that we suck.

Posted by: The Truth | September 9, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

it seems to be a minority opionion, but i think our D played well on thursday and can play well again this weekend and i think our will be better against a saints defense that are not the best. if we win, and i know it doesn't seem like many here believe it, but if we win, what will it look like on this blog? i'm just so surprised that a fanbase like ours is so reactionary.
let's play another game before we talk about how miserable this team (that made the playoffs last year) is. we are a little bit older on the o-line but the eagles starting tackles are both older than ours and their interior line, except Andrews is suspect. the cowboys have some injuries and the giants have to play with a target on their back.

Posted by: skins 75 | September 9, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

They should have stayed with the original trio, especially Patrick and Theismann.


Posted by: Corkczar | September 9, 2008 3:30 AM

_________
Dude, WHAT was you smoking during those broadcasts and did you bring enough for everybody?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Colt doesn't need time, he needs to start giving us a chance to win. The guy can flat out play. Let's not wait until we are 0-5 to make the switch.

He never gives up on a play, and shows great promise at delivering on broken plays (a staple of Brett Favre's offensive success).

If you can complete on broken plays, they are usually big gainers and/or TDs. Look at Colt's broken play TD pass in preseason. It was a thing of beauty.

Escaping pressure, never giving up, and completing broken plays...these are just a few of the intangibles that Colt brings to the table. In our offense we need a QB that can complete broken plays, because the rest of our offense is pretty broken.

I told you so about Jason Campbell, and now I am telling you that Colt Brennan gives us the best chance to win...no question!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

let's play another game before we talk about how miserable this team

Good call, maybe, just maybe, even play, oh I don't know, how about lets get crazy, and play 3 GAMES!!!!! Before we declare the season a complete and total loss..

I mean, we all now that the 10 draft picks are all busts, correct?

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Please put the blame where it belongs, on Snyder and Cerrato. Until they surrender football control to a legitimate professional, the situation will remain grim.
Go Phillies

Posted by: richw38 | September 9, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Colt doesn't need time, he needs to start giving us a chance to win. The guy can flat out play. Let's not wait until we are 0-5 to make the switch.

He never gives up on a play, and shows great promise at delivering on broken plays (a staple of Brett Favre's offensive success).

If you can complete on broken plays, they are usually big gainers and/or TDs. Look at Colt's broken play TD pass in preseason. It was a thing of beauty.

Escaping pressure, never giving up, and completing broken plays...these are just a few of the intangibles that Colt brings to the table. In our offense we need a QB that can complete broken plays, because the rest of our offense is pretty broken.

I told you so about Jason Campbell, and now I am telling you that Colt Brennan gives us the best chance to win...no question!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 9, 2008 10:14 AM

Flag on the play for idiocy. Brennan has never thrown a pass in the regular season or against reg season starters...

Just beyond dumb...

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennen's little frame would get killed out there. This isn't Hawaii. He needs time to bulk up and learn NFL defenses. Also needs to work on that arm strength, maybe even his throwing motion.

Posted by: No to Colt - not yet at least | September 9, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Seeing some of the other young QB's out there having success really makes me wonder why JC is given so much rope. Yes, it's a "new" offense every year but geez.
There are young QBs who have not looked as lost as JC does now -- Trent Edwards (led that last drive for Buffalo against us last year) for one. Jay Cutler? Derek Anderson (last year was his first full season since he only played 5 games the year before)?

Yes he makes a nice throw once in a while but these are throws that pro QB's SHOULD be able to make. We are just not used to seeing that around here so we ooh and ahh at his "big arm". Sounds like Kyle Boller to me.

One thing I saw last year was a huge difference between Collins and Campbell when it came to hitting a receiver in stride so he could do something with it afterwards.

It is painful to watch what has become of this offense, especially when I see McNabb and Romo winging it downfield all the time. This dink and dunk offense would be OK if we got first downs but we don't -- we always come up a few yards short in the end.

Another painful year

Posted by: Ed | September 9, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

"...Not having a full-go Rocky McIntosh (he's clearly not right given his knee issues; ditto for Jason Taylor who, upon a second watching of the game, was worse than even I originally thought Thursday) to me is huge, especially way teams are likely to run at the edge of the defense..."

Very nice analysis, Jasno.

Washington could have Lance Briggs right now instead of McIntosh.

I didn't see Taylor do anything BEFORE he got hurt and he clearly didn't go all out on chasing Eli to the end zone (whether it was b/c of the knee or he thought he would walk in--obviously, I will never know).

Draws and runs can be run out of the shotgun, but most teams will probably assume it's a pass and tee off.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 9, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Flag on the play for idiocy. Brennan has never thrown a pass in the regular season or against reg season starters...

Just beyond dumb...

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:18 AM


Everyone has to throw their first regular season pass at some point...now who's dumb?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 9, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Washington could have Lance Briggs right now instead of McIntosh

If I recall, getting Briggs would have cost the team the #6 overall pick, which turned out to be Landry.

I'd rather have Landry/Rocky, than Briggs.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Im giving JC 8 games to show a grasp of the offense. Im not counting wins, since the QB is not the only one responsible for wins.

If he shows he can run the o, put up points and not kill the team with TO's then he should be given the rest of the season.

This is whether Zorn adapts to him or not. If Zorn doesnt, then Zorn wont, and it may be time to see TC.... Collins has experience so maybe he can run it.

And if TC fails I would go back to JC one last time to see if his benching wakes him up.

Then, after the season is over, you can get Colt ready to play next year.

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"Colt doesn't need time, he needs to start giving us a chance to win. The guy can flat out play. Let's not wait until we are 0-5 to make the switch.

He never gives up on a play, and shows great promise at delivering on broken plays (a staple of Brett Favre's offensive success).

If you can complete on broken plays, they are usually big gainers and/or TDs. Look at Colt's broken play TD pass in preseason. It was a thing of beauty."

Alright, enough with this idiocy.

(1) If you pull Campbell and throw in Colt, you're ruining 2 potential QBs. I don't care if you put Tom Brady or Peyton Manning in this offense last Thursday, neither would have moved the ball with any efficiency. Colt will get eaten alive faster than Drew Henson with the Cowboys.

(2)Forcing yourself to complete broken plays is not a good thing. This is exactly what you tell your young QBs NOT to do. If Colt Brennan were to start for the rest of the season, he would throw somewhere around 25 INTs - and I would take the over on that.

(3) Please don't compare Brennan to Brett Favre. Favre is a 3-time league MVP, a super bowl winner, and the all-time leader in passing TDs, yards, completions, and wins. Colt Brennan performed well as a backup in preseason games. Seriously, get some perspective.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennen's little frame would get killed out there. This isn't Hawaii. He needs time to bulk up and learn NFL defenses. Also needs to work on that arm strength, maybe even his throwing motion.

Posted by: No to Colt - not yet at least | September 9, 2008 10:18 AM


That's what they said about Steve Young. Come on now...it's about being a baller, regardless of body frame.


Jeez.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 9, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

the D did play well skins, it's just that the team looked completely lifeless

Posted by: The Truth | September 9, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

It is painful to watch what has become of this offense, especially when I see McNabb and Romo winging it downfield all the time. This dink and dunk offense would be OK if we got first downs but we don't -- we always come up a few yards short in the end.

Another painful year

Posted by: Ed | September 9, 2008 10:22 AM

This is a result of Zorn, not JC. Direct your criticism to the proper channels.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Everyone has to throw their first regular season pass at some point...now who's dumb?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 9, 2008 10:25 AM

Oh, ok. Yeah, you proved your point. Jeez, did you miss your calling as a litigator instead of Sports Guru... well played sir, well played....

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

We'll obviously talk Baltimore sports, but will get in some Skins stuff, around-the-NFL talk, and, I'm pushing like crazy to do a fair amount of soccer, too.

What a putz. You know, all the JLa supporters defend that position because of his effort to get info. to us. A football beat reporter interested in the Skins, hmmm, I wonder if we get more from whoever that person is. Soccer. RI is full of futbol fans, I know. Gay.

Posted by: DC | September 9, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"If you can complete on broken plays, they are usually big gainers and/or TDs. Look at Colt's broken play TD pass in preseason. It was a thing of beauty."

Go rewatch that player, the guy was open for about 5 or 6 seconds and Colt just stared him down before he made the pass. Against NFL players, that wouldn't have worked.

Posted by: The Truth | September 9, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I am bored with my current name so I am changing it:

I will take my new name from one of the greatest movies of all time.

What's my Delta Tau Chi name?

Dorfman, l've given this a lot of thought.

From now on...

your name is Flounder.

Flounder?

Posted by: kmdp4 now known as Flounder | September 9, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Drew Henson, I wish we had picked him up...and Drew Bledslow. Then we could have had 3 QBs who have refined the Deer in the Headlights look to true art form. Jumpin Jiminy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Devo, can you name some of the players in your claim?

"Take a look around the league and see how many second round offensive and defensive linemen there are performing at a very high level"

Just curious....

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 10:03 AM

Umm just off the top of my head...


Tony Ugoh
Justin Blaylock
Daryn Colledge
Marcus McNeil
Oh and Justin Tuck, my bad he was a third rounder.

Posted by: Devo | September 9, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Flag on the play for idiocy. Brennan has never thrown a pass in the regular season or against reg season starters...

Just beyond dumb...

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:18 AM

umm speaking of dumb, no rookie has ever thrown a pass in the NFL until they do......so you don't know if Colt would be good or not, you're just repeating what the media and Zorn say, nobody knows till the real bullets are flying if a guy is good or not. That's why guys like Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, David Carr, Alex Smith, Heath Shuler, and a long list of others get drafted, they look great in practice with the don't touch me jersey on but when its game time they suck. I'm not ready for Colt yet, but I will say this, I like his attitude, his moxy, his confidence, his quick release, and it looked to me like he was a decisive guy who can make things happen, all characteristics that JC doesn't have. If we fall to 0-5 I say give him a shot.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Gibson...oh yeah he's a real journalist all right. Glasses on nose, fake frown, apron tied around his waist: now tell me again, how much salt do I put in a mooseburger.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

That's what they said about Steve Young. Come on now...it's about being a baller, regardless of body frame.


Jeez.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 9, 2008 10:26 AM

Steve Young I believe bombed out of Tampa Bay before he did great things in SF. It's probably because he was a young rookie thrown into the line of fire...

Jeez

Posted by: No to Colt - not yet at least | September 9, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

http://was.scout.com/2/788456.html

Highlights:

* J Taylor won over some fans in da redskins locker room (meaning teamates) by playing in the season opener. Some guys on the team were miffed why other player(s) didn't follow his lead and played in da game. (I wonder who those guys were talking about? Lisa, do you know?)

* C Rogers worked with the J Campbell after practice to catch some footballs. (Keim to da Post note: He did this same thing last year)

* Keim is hearing that Heyer made alot of mental mistakes. The kind that goes undetected by fans.....

*Keim reports that Zorn did indeed go on a 90 minute Bike ride with the President and he's been on a few since he's been here.

* Even the media that covers the redskins are talking amongst themselves about whether JC is the right fit for this system. But, only time will tell. He notes it wouldn't hurt if he had a scary tall receiver like one Plaxico Buress.....

Posted by: Keim to da Post | September 9, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Flag on the play for idiocy. Brennan has never thrown a pass in the regular season or against reg season starters...

Just beyond dumb...

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:18 AM

umm speaking of dumb, no rookie has ever thrown a pass in the NFL until they do......so you don't know if Colt would be good or not, you're just repeating what the media and Zorn say, nobody knows till the real bullets are flying if a guy is good or not. That's why guys like Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, David Carr, Alex Smith, Heath Shuler, and a long list of others get drafted, they look great in practice with the don't touch me jersey on but when its game time they suck. I'm not ready for Colt yet, but I will say this, I like his attitude, his moxy, his confidence, his quick release, and it looked to me like he was a decisive guy who can make things happen, all characteristics that JC doesn't have. If we fall to 0-5 I say give him a shot.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 10:33 AM

Point being that Sports says he made great plays in the preseason. And my point was he never played against starters or has ever shown anything in a real NFL game... ever. yes he is a rook, but there is a reason he lasted til the 6th round.

And Sports saying he is what we need is dumb...

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sport Guru seriously you have no idea what you are talking about just stop with the "I knew JC sucked" and "Start Colt" stuff.

It's been one game and guessing that a young QB's will flounder in their first game in a new system is like guessing correctly that JC will report negatively on the Redskins.

Posted by: Sit the rest of this one out. | September 9, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

put colt in put colt in put colt in..nah actually lets give jc 2 more games

Posted by: FAB88 | September 9, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Who thinks Malcom Kelly will play this weekend and will he make any catches? I think you put both of the rookies in and let them play, it can not be any worse then last week so lets see what they have.

We need Fred Davis activated if you draft him in the second round and he is healthy then get him in there atleast on special teams. I did not see Yoder play at all last week maybe he did, but you normally see him doing something.

Split Cooley out, he has proven not to be much of a blocker and let him get involved in the offense.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

And i will be the first to admit I like what Colt seems to have between his ears, but we are not there yet and it is not time to scrap everything and start a new.

We live and die under Zorn this year with QB1 and/or 2. Then you get Colt ready if all else fails.

I would love for him to be the next tom brady or Favre, but there has only been one of each so those comparisons are empty to me.

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

4th, i don't understand the logic of giving Colt 10 games and JC only 6 in the new offense. I'd say if JC dosent show improvement after 10 games, you make a switch. And even then it would be to Todd, not Colt.

Posted by: etrod | September 9, 2008 9:25 AM

Get it right buddy. There's 4th.

And there's 4th in the East.

I'm 4th compared to negative 3.

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Point being that Sports says he made great plays in the preseason. And my point was he never played against starters or has ever shown anything in a real NFL game... ever. yes he is a rook, but there is a reason he lasted til the 6th round.

And Sports saying he is what we need is dumb...

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:39 AM

and what was the reason Tom Brady lasted till the 6th round? or Marques Colston went in the 7th? or Terrel Davis in the 6th? or Selvin Young went undrafted? are they not good players?

Again, I'm not ready for him but don't use draft position and inexperience to say automatically he won't be good. There are plenty of 1st rounders with experience who are not as good as late round rookies or undrafted guys, the draft is an inexact science.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

FISHER FEARED FOR YOUNG
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2008, 9:49 a.m. EDT
The situation in Tennessee has gone from odd to bizarre to downright freaky.

On Monday night, Titans coach Jeff Fisher became worried about Young because he left his home abruptly at 7:30 p.m. and because he seemed “emotionally down” and left his cell phone behind.

Fisher eventually tracked Young down, and they met at 12:30 a.m. at the team’s facility. Also present at the meeting, per WKRN in Nashville, were police officers.

After the meeting, Fisher called the whole thing a misunderstanding. Unnamed sources told WKRN that concerns about Young’s state of mind were unfounded.

Even if that’s true, the mere fact that Fisher developed such concerns about Young strongly suggests that some serious stuff has been happening behind the scenes in Tennessee, and that Sunday’s sideline incident very well could be the beginning of the end of Young’s career with the Titans, and possibly with any other NFL team.

In addition to being booed at home during the regular-season opener and then initially refusing to take the field after throwing his second interception, Young reportedly will miss two-to-four weeks with an MCL injury.

I will also post the article about the sideline incident for Greg.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

1st let me start by saying that there is no QB in the league (Manning and Brady included!) that would be a PRO BOWLER in only their 2nd FULL SEASON AS A STARTER after all the constant changes in OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHIES. NO QB MASTERS a system in 1 YEAR let alone A FULL GAME WORTH OF PRESEASON MINUTES and ONE REGULAR SEASON GAME AGAINST A SUPERBOWL-WINNING DEFENSE ON THE ROAD!! Even last year when he (JC) made young QB (1st year starter- 7 games)mistakes, he was and still is that- a young QB. He needs time to mature in the same system and that takes time, he's still trying to unlearn Saunders system. You can't blame JC for where he is now, he's doing a great job, it's the ORGANIZATIONs fault. We had a 5-7 record last year when JC got hurt and YOU FOOLS blame JC for those 7 losses? How about Gibbs blowing a couple of games with (double-timeout game, playcalling game. Hell Santana blew that G.B. game. Receivers dropped a lot of balls, running backs fumbled(my point is this is a team game and everyone should be accountable (JC also who had two last minute ints . We made the playoffs not only because Collins, but THE WHOLE TEAM PLAYED BETTER! My point is you IDIOTS need to wait til the end of the season to pass judgement on JC who has all the tools- ABILITY, HEART, SMARTS- to be a PRO BOWL QB! If you don't know about NFL Football please don't leave a comment, you IDIOTS are making real NFL and WASHINGTON REDSKINS fans look bad! Still shaking my head at the notion of starting Colt over JC! !!!HAIL 2 THE MUTHAFUGGIN REDSKINS!!!

Posted by: daTRUTH | September 9, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

draft is an inexact science......as evidenced by eddie royal looking all world last night and we can't even get Thomas and Kelly to understand their playbook.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Yall need to rewatch the Sugar Bowl from last year. After watching that, you would definitely NOT say Colt has "swagger", "moxy", "confidence", or a "quick release". I'm 100% serious. When times got rough he folded like a lawn chair.

One big NFL hit and he's throwing 5+ picks.

Posted by: The Truth | September 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

BEGINNING OF THE END FOR YOUNG?
Posted by Mike Florio on September 7, 2008, 10:41 p.m. EDT
Though a partially torn MCL reportedly will keep Titans quarterback Vince Young off the field for the next two-to-four weeks, an incident that occurred not long before the injury could be the thing that truncates his career in Tennessee.

According to David Climer of the Tennesseean, Young apparently attempted to take himself out of the game after throwing an interception in the fourth quarter. Young supposedly tried to blame his reluctance to return on a tightening hamstring, even though he sought no treatment for it while the defense was on the field.

“I came on the field and 10 wasn’t in the huddle,” center Kevin Mawae said of the incident. “I didn’t know what the situation was.”

Per Climer, Young returned only after prodding from an animated Jeff Fisher. “From the outside looking in,” Climer writes, ”Fisher seemed to all but throw Young back onto the field.”

Though Young was named the offensive rookie of the year in 2006, his regression last season has caused us to conclude that the jury is still out on whether he’s a bust. Based on today’s events, it’s looking more likely than ever that Young will never fulfill his potential.

And, hopefully once and for all, Young’s career will get NFL teams to quit building up and/or tearing down college players based on their performances in a bowl game.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

No zjfr2;

And he may be good. But for the last time this isn't the time.

That was my ultimate point and I should have just stated it as such...

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

That should say no, they are good, zjfr2

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

My point is you IDIOTS need to wait til the end of the season to pass judgement on JC who has all the tools- ABILITY, HEART, SMARTS- to be a PRO BOWL QB! If you don't know about NFL Football please don't leave a comment, you IDIOTS are making real NFL and WASHINGTON REDSKINS fans look bad! Still shaking my head at the notion of starting Colt over JC! !!!HAIL 2 THE MUTHAFUGGIN REDSKINS!!!

Posted by: daTRUTH | September 9, 2008 10:46 AM

If he's so smart why is he looking lost after going back to the system he played in college that he's had his most success in ever and after an entire offseason of nothing but studying the playbook, daily working with Zorn, an entire training camp, and 5 preseason games? ABILITY yes, I think the jury is still way out on the HEART AND THE SMARTS......

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

1st let me start by saying that there is no QB in the league (Manning and Brady included!) that would be a PRO BOWLER in only their 2nd FULL SEASON AS A STARTER after all the constant changes in OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHIES. NO QB MASTERS a system in 1 YEAR let alone A FULL GAME WORTH OF PRESEASON MINUTES and ONE REGULAR SEASON GAME AGAINST A SUPERBOWL-WINNING DEFENSE ON THE ROAD!! Even last year when he (JC) made young QB (1st year starter- 7 games)mistakes, he was and still is that- a young QB. He needs time to mature in the same system and that takes time, he's still trying to unlearn Saunders system. You can't blame JC for where he is now, he's doing a great job, it's the ORGANIZATIONs fault. We had a 5-7 record last year when JC got hurt and YOU FOOLS blame JC for those 7 losses? How about Gibbs blowing a couple of games with (double-timeout game, playcalling game. Hell Santana blew that G.B. game. Receivers dropped a lot of balls, running backs fumbled(my point is this is a team game and everyone should be accountable (JC also who had two last minute ints . We made the playoffs not only because Collins, but THE WHOLE TEAM PLAYED BETTER! My point is you IDIOTS need to wait til the end of the season to pass judgement on JC who has all the tools- ABILITY, HEART, SMARTS- to be a PRO BOWL QB! If you don't know about NFL Football please don't leave a comment, you IDIOTS are making real NFL and WASHINGTON REDSKINS fans look bad! Still shaking my head at the notion of starting Colt over JC! !!!HAIL 2 THE MUTHAFUGGIN REDSKINS!!!

Posted by: the HEADHOG | September 9, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas was 34th pick overall.

Eddie Royal, Westfield High School, was 42nd pick overall.

Did anyone see Royal last night? Perhaps the most impressive first game by any rookie WR. He single-handedly torched the Raiders.

It's early, but I'm still awaiting for Vinny's brilliance to emerge.


Posted by: GAD | September 9, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas was 34th pick overall.

Eddie Royal, Westfield High School, was 42nd pick overall.

Did anyone see Royal last night? Perhaps the most impressive first game by any rookie WR. He single-handedly torched the Raiders.

It's early, but I'm still awaiting for Vinny's brilliance to emerge.


Posted by: GAD | September 9, 2008 10:53 AM

I am sure he was great but my 10 year old Daughter could scorch the Raiders defense.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey Da Truth,

Tom Brady was a Pro bowler in his first full season as a starter and a SB champion in his second.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Zebra, we're on the same page, I'm not ready for him yet either, I want to see JC have more opportunity, but also, my leash for JC isn't an entire season anymore, he's a 4th year QB in the NFL, I'm done making excuses for him, and I'm done swallowing the PR stuff from Redskins park about continuity and learning the system and just give him some more time blah blah blah. To learn all the nuances of a system and to have the offense down to where say Peyton does, sure that takes time. To hit an open WR, to make quick decision about getting rid of the ball to avoid pressure (even just throwing it away) to run 4 pass patterns in a play, to read a defense, these things don't really change system to system and we're not talking about long division here, this is football, I've played it all the way to lowly NAIA college level because I have no true athletic talent. But playbook isn't long division, and it boils down to players make plays and at some point JC has to do that. To me it looks like he's not playing with instincts he's over thinking everything, and he's looked like that all his career, and I guess you can say that's because of all the systems, but how long do we wait?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

CAn I get some links to people BEFORE the draft or during the draft wishing we had drafted Royal?

What about the other teams that passed over him? That's why they were steals. Hindsight, etc.

Posted by: The Truth | September 9, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Vince Young is a terrible QB.
I'd rather suffer through JC's slow release and poor vision, (i can't see the midget, err, I mean, vertically challenged receivers), than have him. Everyone gets so worked up about the rookie QB's hoping someone will finally spark the stagnant offense of the last decade or so. It used to be the QB's were groomed for a time. Rodgers looked good last night and he threw into coverage several times. JC waits for too much separation to occur, and our medicore group of WR's can't provide that for him.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I am sure he was great but my 10 year old Daughter could scorch the Raiders defense.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 10:57 AM

Actually, the Raiders defense, particularly their secondary, is very strong. Namdi Asomugha, Deangelo Hall, Michael Huff, these guys are all players. And Eddie Royal owned them. If he can stay healthy (he's smallish), he'll be a great player in this league.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I saw something on VY saying after his first year he was a little disenfranchised with the NFL and stardom etc....dont remember where that was///

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

How long will it take for Horton to take over Doughtey starting spot?

I say 5 games

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

If the team insists on working out of 3rd and Long which is an obvious passing down, then I have 2 points.

1. The run game is likely not effective if we find ourselves in 3rd and long a lot.

2. Play action only works when you have an effective Running game.

So with that said, I feel Zorn's hesitance on the Gun formation but it is clear that the offense needs it on obvious passing downs. From what I have seen from Campbell he appears to be a bit more comfortable out of the gun.

If we aren't in 3rd and longs, well that means the running game is effective and Zorn's idea with the use of play-action is valid.

Posted by: Keino | September 9, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Would someone w/a subscription kindly post the entire article? Thanks mate!

http://was.scout.com/2/788456.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

i hope Zorn is given enough time to get the players he wants, including QB to play his system. JC wasn't his choice.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Hey look, if you have to build up our QB corps by holding up lesser players on other teams than that is a sign the Skins have fallen on hard times. We used to set the standard not seek comparisons to the Little Sisters of Detroit. I've never liked comparisons along the lines of "well, at least we don't have Matt Muffen as a GM" or "at least we're better than the Raiders". Man up you goofs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Ok then to the point of why we did not draft Jackson or Royal, they are both small wideouts we already have that we drafted big wideouts, will they pan out do not know. If we had drafted those little WO you guys would have killed the FO for drafting more small recievers.

Anybody can be a GM 5 months after the draft, I heard no one up here say anything about these guys and we talked alot of draft, so where were all you arm chair GM's.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

This blog has more dingleberries than the Springfield Mall on New Year's Day.

Posted by: Bob Ginklepus | September 9, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Anybody can be a GM 5 months after the draft, I heard no one up here say anything about these guys and we talked alot of draft, so where were all you arm chair GM's.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:12 AM

I was there the whole time saying you can find big possession wr's everywhere in FA and you can find backup TE's of the street. We should used our picks on the lines and linebackers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Coleman is my hero! Whenever that loser has a free moment from sexually harassing and repulsing every intern in sight, I take every opportunity to get down on my knees and show my love!

Posted by: Jason LaCanfora | September 9, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I think even the Broncos were surprised how good Royal is. Reports after the draft were they picked him becaused they were looking for an explosive return man. Royal just happened to come into camp IN SHAPE, busted his tail, actually learned the offense, and basically impressed from day 1.

Posted by: skinswest | September 9, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"YOU IDIOTS" -- zjfr2 (damn! I should put my mask on)
"My point is YOU IDIOTS" - Headhog (why am I talking to a mirror?)


Posted by: IDIOTS | September 9, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

It's a shame. JC has great arm strength. But he cannot play quarterback. All show no dough.

Posted by: Surf | September 9, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"LEAVE MY JASON CAMPBELL ALOOOOONE!!!


Posted by: LOL | September 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Would someone w/a subscription kindly post the entire article? Thanks mate!

http://was.scout.com/2/788456.html


Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:08 AM

I would Anon, but sadly I can't anymore. I am not even allowed to copy the article. The protected that joker. So, you will instead get my hand written quick shot snap. So, you will need to trust what I transcribe.......

Ask any question on it and you shall get an answer......

Posted by: Keim to da Post | September 9, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse


ColtBrennanColtBrennanColtBrennan!

heheheheheheh

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 9:46 AM

YES!!!

BabeLaufenbergBabeLaufenbergBabeLaufenbergRamseyRamseyRamseyCampbellCampbellCampbellBrennanBrennanBrennanColli...whoops.

Posted by: LOL | September 9, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

No competition for quarterback at Redskin park.Campbell knows this too.

Posted by: Kurk | September 9, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

FREE - WILL SHIP OVERSEAS

2 WHITE EXECUTIVES. One could be a cash-cow, the other will keep you amused.

1 BLACK QB. 6'5" tall, great smile, strong arm, clean as a whistle nothing bad clings on him.

All three items will be packed with strong cheering died-hard fans.


Posted by: LOL | September 9, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Off the results of the first weekend of the season it looks like the Skins have some real competition in the race to the bottowm and the Tim Tebow Trophy. The Rams got smoked by the Eegs. Will have a better idea about who has an edge when the Skins play the Eegs in Philly in week 5 and then the Rams at home in week 6. One area the Skins may have an edge - we still don't know if the Rams have a no-huddle offense.

Posted by: Herbie the Hibiscus | September 9, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Zorn like Gibbs before him will end up tailoring his systems to the talent he has on the roster. It's simply a matter of survival.

If the team wanted an immediate impact with the WCO, the organization needed to acquire a veteran QB with experience in the system. That was the only way to ensure 2008 was not going to be a transition year, and one where the team was going to take its lumps.

Campbell can learn to run this offense but he is better utilized in the system that Gibbs envisioned him in when he was drafted, namely as a drop-back quarterback who used play action and a big arm to make plays down the field in vertical passing attack.

Having Campbell throw 3-5 yard passes to Betts and Cooley as extended running plays may work in time, but it is negating Campbell's physical assets.

Todd Collins is a better bet to run this offense because he has a quicker release, better footwork and is more accurate in the short passing game. But he has no big play capability down the field.

Posted by: Roy Hobbs | September 9, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

As nasty as this sounds, I still can't get over the TV picture of Vinny Cerrato's "deer-in-the-headlights-look" the other night on NBC. Absolutely priceless! Unfortunately, as long as those two idiots run this team, I think we've got a lock on 4th place. Bright side: there aren't five teams in our division anymore!

Posted by: 4th in the East | September 9, 2008 9:13 AM

He always has that look. I think it just his normal look, like Jon Gruden always looks pissed.

Posted by: nobody | September 9, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The onus is now on Jason Campbell! If he does not run the offense with any type of rhythm and comfort after supporting the shotgun, then he should be the first to know he is in trouble. Anyway, since Clinton Portis says that First Downs are hard to come by in the NFL, here is a list of first down comparisons by teams in the NFC East:

Dallas 30

Philadelphia 28

New York 21

Washington 11

If we do not reach at least 20 First Downs for this weekends game at home, then it is time to panic!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Real quick funny story:

I was listening to some national sports talk radio show yesterday at work, whiel trying to stay awake. The host of the show woke me up when he started making a point to say that all football fans of their team need to just calm down...you can't tell much of anything good or bad after one game! He said no matter how bad your team looked in week one, it is a long season, a lot can happen, so don't lose hope...except if your a fan of one team...the Washington Redskins. I wasn't sure if I heard him correctly until he repeated, "if your a fan of the Redskins, it is safe to take out your shovel and start burying them. They have no hope. To those in St. Louis, Miami, Houston, Cincinnati there is still hope, but not in Washington DC."

Did anyone else happen to hear this? In the past, comments like these would have pissed me off, but now it is just downright hilarious!

So Dan and Vinny, thanks. We are now in a class of our own, one lower than the effing Cincinnati Bengals!

Posted by: SnyderattoDeservethisMessButWeDont | September 9, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

We're unfortunately at the point where it doesn't matter who coaches or qb's us. The only constant over the last 10 years is bad leadership, and until they change their approach we're stuck as fans.

Forget the long time secretaries, press people, and other redskins park people who were rudely fired. It's the constant change of direction that kills me. Even within the 4 years of gibbs "stability" there was a needless offensive system change.

How many times can we possibly give up first round picks (or 3 high picks as we did with campbell), and then decide we need to change course. I'm losing track, but just in Snyder's era didn't we change directions with Johnson to George, both of them to Banks, a 1st rounder with Ramsey, give up on him after 16 games to play Mathews, then change to Weurfel, then bet the house on Campbell only to have Gibbs trade a 2nd for Brunell before he even saw him play (which we also did with Betts/Portis, but that's a whole other story). Forget the coaches; we've got a crazy history there.

Stop the madness.

Posted by: lifelong fan | September 9, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Gooooddd Morrnnin Redskins Chums,

Mah momma used to serve me up Catfish Pie as a comfert fude win I was down and mah team a little limp. Maybe yall wud like to giv er a go:

3 catfish (heads, whiskers and all)
2 cups chickin gravy
3 cups corn flour
1 cup ovin roasted headcheese

just blend and serve raw over toasted toast
Yer good pal Slim in Big D
****
That wasn't the only thing that was limp. Check your pants and between your ears.

Posted by: Alligator Al | September 9, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder PLEASE sell the Redskins so that in my life time we can get back to the Super Bowl...

Posted by: mdz28driver | September 9, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Washington 20
New Orleans 17

Posted by: Obama is da Man!!! | September 9, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is NOT made for this type of offense. It's trying to put a square peg in a round hole. It was obvious from Day 1 to anyone that had watched this team last year that the personnel on O was NOT suited for Zorn's offense. Everyone that is except that nitwit Cerrato & the Midget.

Posted by: Skinsfan | September 9, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry all, but Campbell is not that great. At best, he would be a good backup with a team that throws the ball downfield ala the Raiders of years ago.
Campbell is getting the same "pass" with the press & the majority of the people out there, just like Obama does. The similarities are scary.

Posted by: Skinsfan | September 9, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if Zorn puts him in the shotgun, this West Coast offense SUCKS and the blame isn't solely on Jason Campbell. Zorn needs to realize this is the NFC East and not the VERY soft NFC West. This is a tough, grind it out conference and not the soft, pass first conference that has the Rams, Niners, and Seattle. Stop wasting Campbell's arm with 3 yard passes and implement a better power running game. Dallas would never waste Romo's arm on this garbage would they? Of course not. Thanks Vinny for bringing us a horrible draft and Jim Zorn. I hope both of you pack your bags and this offense and go back to the West Coast.

Posted by: dcwun | September 9, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

SHOTGUN! Thats what the Skins need is a shotgun to chase away snyder and campbell.

THe only thing we can say about the skins is LET"S GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: snydersucks | September 9, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Blame resides with Vinny for hiring an inexperienced QB coach from the West Coast to be a head coach in the NFC East. Jim Fassel at least had coached and understood how power football is played in the NFC East. The Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles all establish a power running game and use play action passes regardless of whether or not they use the WCO. Bigger issue is that we are using a system that doesn't fit either the QB or the two small starting WR's. It's not like the Skins are lining up Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer for JC to throw to every down.

Gibbs figured out that he needed to ride a power running game with Portis (and Betts the year Portis was hurt) to set up the passing game. JC showed last year that he could be successful in that type of offense and now Zorn has completely screwed him up by trying to force fit him into another system.

All signs put to a 4-12 season and Zorn getting canned. Snyder will try to buy Bill Cowher to take over the team, but he'll be smart enough not to accept the money. Maybe Jim Fassel will still be desperate enough for a head coaching position to accept the third time around.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

why can't people see what a great quarterback jason is?
It is not his fault the ball gets stuck in his hand.
it is not his fault the receivers do not wear neon colors.
it is not his fault he is too tall, it makes him harder to see.
it is not his fault the line can not hold for half an hour.
it is not his fault he has to learn new plays
it is not his fault 1/2-ton d-men are faster than he
it is not his fault receiver can only be open for 5 minutes
it is not his fault receivers don't carry flags
it is not his fault! it will never be his fault!

Posted by: itaintmebabe | September 9, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Did someone said SHOGUN?

Posted by: shogun | September 9, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I never post here but i feel compelled to now. Everyone needs to stop overreacting. A few thoughts...

1. Stop comparing Colt to HOFers. At this point there is no reason to think he will be anything other than a career backup.

2. Drew Brees did not see success until his 4th year in the league (all 4 years under the same offense). Matt Hasselback did not see success until his 4th year in the league (all 4 years under the same offense). No, JC did not look so good but he is still the best QB the skins have so let's give him some time.

3. Vinny Cerrato should not be making all the decisions but has shown a good track record in the draft. I believe he was responsible for the drafts that netted Chris Samuels, Lavaar, Champ, Smoot and Jansen. That said, director of scouting sounds better for him. The current makeup of this team is all on Gibbs. He traded away what seems like 5 years worth of 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks for player who in most case aren't even on team. High to mid round picks are the core of most good teams and either contribute early or allowed to develop. That's why this team is old and has no depth.

4. For all the people who on one hand say the team needs continuity but on the other that the team needs to be blown up, you make to sense. If this team will be mediocre over the next couple years while it (hopefully) builds through the draft than why not allow Zorn and Campbell to work together during that time and see what happens? Worst case scenario is that the team gets younger, deeper and gets some good picks due to poor records. And there's still a good chance that JC will turn it around with some reps under this system. Don't trash Zorn after 1 regular season game. That being said they still need a legitimate GM.

Posted by: BobOh | September 9, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for New Orleans, the people here have made the Redskins absolutely mad - I am telling you they are in a rage - they will destroy New Orleans.
Prediction: Redskins 73 New Orleans 0
It probably could be worse, but I am sure the reason they Redskins will not score in the second half is because the coach will rest Campbell for the last two periods.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Put me in JZ! I wanna play! Even I can identify our recivers and throw the ball better than Campbell

Posted by: Hellen Keller | September 9, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

boboh, I love your optimism, it reminds me of the following song: (think 1950's Doris Day dream song)

The sun'll come out
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
'Til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I love ya Tomorrow!
You're always
A day
A way!

Posted by: ohbob | September 9, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Put me in JZ! I wanna play! Even I can identify our recivers and throw the ball better than Campbell

Posted by: Hellen Keller | September 9, 2008 2:56 PM

By golly, Hellen K. I think you are onto something, at least you can read signs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Redskins 1-15

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

How long has Campbell been here now, Three years?
When does he stop being referred to as the "young Qback" improving and learning?
If he ain't there yet, he ain't gonna get there.

Posted by: jerry | September 9, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

zorn MUST adjust..put jansen(for help in the power running game a must) if healthy in at left guard the guy they have at that position now is 35yrs with 2 bad knees(he is the same guy the giants blew off the line of scrimmage on 4th down in the giants game last year.) start giving the new TE davis some playing time..he has speed, size,hands and is a good blocker. Can the db tryon return kick-off's? I know he is not ready to play full time corner but at least special teams..having cartwright and thrash(good hands and experience)but NO break-away speed. If kelly stay's in good health he will take randle el's job(he can be the 3rd receiver in the slot his best position anyway.) The o-line is NOT as bad as many think and they have some young back-ups now. mold the offense to some degree to utilize campbells strengths instead of giving him a new offense EVERY year which brings the racist's and bigots howling like wolves out of their caves.

Posted by: wathu19 | September 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

zorn MUST adjust..put jansen(for help in the power running game a must) if healthy in at left guard the guy they have at that position now is 35yrs with 2 bad knees(he is the same guy the giants blew off the line of scrimmage on 4th down in the giants game last year.) start giving the new TE davis some playing time..he has speed, size,hands and is a good blocker. Can the db tryon return kick-off's? I know he is not ready to play full time corner but at least special teams..having cartwright and thrash(good hands and experience)but NO break-away speed. If kelly stay's in good health he will take randle el's job(he can be the 3rd receiver in the slot his best position anyway.) The o-line is NOT as bad as many think and they have some young back-ups now. mold the offense to some degree to utilize campbells strengths instead of giving him a new offense EVERY year which brings the racist's and bigots howling like wolves out of their caves.

Posted by: wathu19 | September 9, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think its that big of a deal. Just run the shotgun on third down situations, when its a clear cut passing down. Besides, there are quite a few run plays from the shotgun as well. You got your all famous draw, shotgun variation of a counter, stretch. If it helps Jason, it cant hurt.

Posted by: PapaRora | September 10, 2008 5:06 AM | Report abuse

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