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Zorn: Haynesworth Will Make Others Better

Jason Reid reports:

The Redskins expect a lot from new defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth -- the NFL's highest-paid defensive player -- and Coach Jim Zorn is eager for Haynesworth to get started Monday as the offseason conditioning program begins at Redskins Park.

"When you have an impact player like him, you have to make special considerations," Zorn said Friday. "The pressure will be on the opponent, No. 1, and then if he either draws double-teams or draws attention, he's still going to create problems. I do think that a lot of people are going to look at him and say, 'Well, how come he didn't make every tackle? How come he didn't get every sack?' And that's not the point to have him in there.

"The point is that he's capable of making the people around him better. What I think you're going to see is that guys in other areas show up. I fully expect him to create problems in there, so that other defenders can perform at a higher level as well. And if we can get the ball out sooner from a QB, we're liable to get some turnovers with the linebackers and or our DBs. So you really have to look at more than just the tackles he makes or the sacks he makes."

By Matthew Rennie  |  March 14, 2009; 6:36 PM ET
 
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First time, being first! Can we please get some real updates and insider info?

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 14, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Ok...that "the NFL's highest-paid defensive player" thing is a bit annoying and "bushleague."

I swear I hope he works out so the FO can tell the WaPo to kiss his azz.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 14, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Now we just need someone on the O-line *cough* Andre Smith *cough* to make the QB, RBs, and WRs better.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 14, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

You think Andre Smith is that person? Does he seem like the kind of guy to motivate other people?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 14, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Ryp, I think Andre Smith can motivate other people.

"While Alabama OT Andre Smith might not have put forth sensational workout-drill numbers, word out of Tuscaloosa is that he looked far better in his positional drills. The workout drills might not be totally indicative of Smith’s ability.

Weight issues and workout times are not always the best barometer of a prospect’s skill level. I’m reminded of former Pro Bowl lineman Nate Newton."
former Vice President of player personnel

2006 SEC All-Freshman First Team
2007 AP All-SEC First Team
2007 Playboy All-American
2008 Outland Trophy
2008 AP All-SEC First Team
2008 AP All-American
2008 AFCA All-American
2008 CBS All-American
2008 ESPN All-American
2008 FWAA All-American
2008 Pro Football Weekly All-American
2008 Rivals.com All-American
2008 Sporting News All-American
2008 Sports Illustrated All-American
2008 Walter Camp All-American

Posted by: Alan4 | March 14, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Matthew Rennie?

Posted by: daggar | March 14, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse


Anybody ask Chris Samuels about Andre Smith?

Could Chris shepherd him as a 'skin, using his Alabamy commenction?

Mayock thinks it's a moot point as he'll be gone well before heh 'skins pick. He sees 6 OTs in the first round.

May be time to think about trading back and gathering Robinson (OG) or Woods (C) and an LB, instead of aiming for a home run with #13 pick.

If they do that, and pick up a couple of winners with top two picks, and Pat White is there in the third round, grab him.

Posted by: TheCork | March 14, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Last offseason the Redskins conjured up a plan that involved two first round draft picks for one Ocho Cinco.*****

Anyone here wish that had happened? I am glad it did not, even though our WR's suck.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 14, 2009 6:35 PM |

Was it two? Whew! The dude was a bust in 2008 but, to be fair, Palmer was out for most of the season I think. And now there are some suggestions floating around that the Skins should be in the hunt for Boldin with at least one 1st rounder in exchange. Here too it is hard to tell what is what - is it him or Warner? Plus, like Ocho, the dude has a bit of the prima in him.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 14, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

TheCork it seems that Samuels and Smith has a bit of a bond. This is from a Don BAnks interview of Smith at the combine.


So that's one upside. Smith's comments during his brief stint at the Combine offer another:

Q: Did you follow Willie Anderson?

Smith: No. I followed Chris Samuels a lot.


And, later in the questioning...


Q: Why did you follow Samuels?

Smith: I didn't follow him until I got into college because I grew up a Florida State fan. He was the best lineman in Alabama history. I wanted to mimic his game and try to have the same accomplishments he did.

Posted by: TWISI | March 14, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

That was a great post and I agree with you 100%, I know that doesn't happen often but when your right your right.

I'm not sure what Pat White plays in the NFL, but we was very good at WV. Maybe he can be a QB, or a 3rd down back.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 14, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Zorn’s comments seek to set expectations and ease some of the pressure on Haynesworth –give the guy some credit for this. On the other hand, I get the sense that the Redskins brass are preparing for the potential of Haynesworth not living up to his billing as an MVP caliber player – at least not in his first season. (As Skins fans, we hope he dazzles us and proves the naysayers wrong.)

There is a fair amount of risk with his acquisition - there’s a good chance this guy will be mediocre during his tenure. And, his persistent on and off-the- field blunders give pause to many. Pac Man Jones may have set the bar for irresponsible conduct, but Haynesworth’s rap sheet is nothing to sneeze at. The guy has acknowledged his own anger issues, and the stomping that resulted in thirty (30) stitches was nothing less than criminal.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 14, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

+++For someone who says nothing time and again but nonetheless employs a great number of pixels, you sure do use "we" and "us" a lot.

And you should stop being so frigging obvious in your bitterness toward those who are both intellectually and financially superior to you.

Just because you're a broke, lonely maggot doesn't mean the rest of the world is as bitter as you are.

Bite that pillow, pal. Hard.

Selah.

Posted by: MrRedskin21++

ANOTHER gay comment? Me thinks you protest too much, Mr. Redskin, and as you are a sophomore psych major, even you know that all your constant homo-eroticism means your own sexual preference is in question. Bank on it.

As for yu reference to those who are "intellectually and financially superior" to me--WTF are you talking about? You have NO idea how well off I am financially--even in this Bush depression. Do you REALLY think fellow RI posters are SO stupid they have a clue you have a clue what anyone makes? You give stupidity a bad name, rube.

Really fellow RI posters, are you just gonna sit ther and take that kind of insult?

That's one helluva put down, Sally. What the Hell is wrong with you? Yeah, sure, I can't rub two nickles together, thats' why I waste so much time here, dueling with intellectual half-wits like yourself.

I mean come on. Of all the stupid comments on this board, that one is in the top five.

As for you calling me bitter? Pot/kettle yada-yada.

Intellect?

McSween and T_E on his coherent days are close to me intellectually. But T_E is too needy.

And I'm REALLY impressed with you signing out with a "selah."

My bud Skippy sigs out "Fondly," but that's Irony. You're just showing off.

Posted by: TheCork | March 14, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

all_star, I think Zorn is being realistic. Haynesworth's new first name is "highest-paid defensive player", and every time he makes a mistake there are going to be people waiting to use that against Dan Snyder. Haynesworth will be fine, but there will be haters.

DT isn't a very glamorous position, so people may not appreciate how he takes pressure off players in other positions throughout a game.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 14, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

alan,

That is true not many fans understand the way everything on the defense opens up, if the DT's can take on double teams.

I think AH will be fine, he will make Fletcher a lot better and that is scary.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 14, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

“all_star, I think Zorn is being realistic. Haynesworth's new first name is "highest-paid defensive player", and every time he makes a mistake there are going to be people waiting to use that against Dan Snyder. Haynesworth will be fine, but there will be haters.
DT isn't a very glamorous position, so people may not appreciate how he takes pressure off players in other positions throughout a game.”

Posted by: Alan4

I agree with Zorn’s approach as well as your comment about the microscope being on Haynesworth. The reality is that if you draw a salary like Haynesworth’s, no one will be faulted for anticipating a proportional impact on the field. I would also contend with those who discount his character issues. You can’t sweep these under the rug.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 14, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

it's very difficult to know the ... background of any of the posters on here ...

Posted by: psps23 | March 14, 2009 12:59 PM |

Ah yes. The vast abyss of the unknown. Take the Cork for example. Is he/she the cork one shoves up one's rectum to prevent one from shooting one's pants? Or is he/she the cork that caps that priceless bottle of 1966 Lafite Rothschild?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 14, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

2009: Great Defense; Average Offense; JC signs with another team and is BITTER. Hainsworth is average; Hall is goes to Pro-Bowl; Who cares--team is 8-8; 9-7 at best. My only wish is that DS sells the team. I feel the Skins will be like Six Flags....it will only take a little longer for him to mess it up.

Posted by: wspasp | March 14, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Another Defensive comment: Landry should be playing closer to the line of scrimmage. He will be a much better SS than FS. Having him line up 20 yds deep is a waste. He looks a little confused at FS and is certainly used to being closer to the line of scrimage. They shoudl get a pure FS like ST.

Posted by: wspasp | March 14, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Did I mention that he is the NFL's highest paid Defensive Player ?

Posted by: dspinx | March 14, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of "the highest paid D player" line, too!

I like ANDRE SMITH if he's still there, you're getting top5 talent at 13 and a positional need (big one).

Samuels will definitely influence SMITH if we get him. If we can lock up Daniels and/or Wynn, and sign Washington (UFA), then we must be thinking OT in the draft.

If SMITH isnt around there should still be a good value for OT. Those Gaurds and Centers aren't worth a 13.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 14, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Pat White? c'mon cork we need DL, OL, and LB's. Depth at CB is a consideration, too.

anyone thinking about drafting a QB is crazy...uh-oh

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 14, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Pat White will get drafted by someone who thinks he's going to be the next Devon Hester with the added bonus that he can play QB in a pinch.

Posted by: will_ga | March 14, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

We still have the old, slow & sideways version of Pat White on our team so I doubt our FO will want the new & improved version. Besides ARE just redid his contract. Which of course means we'll probably take him at 13!

Posted by: will_ga | March 14, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm with daggar. Matthew Rennie? What's up with that?

Posted by: mack1 | March 14, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

zorn stinks,cerato is dumb

Posted by: DLESMonday | March 14, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

'....Pat White will get drafted by someone who thinks he's going to be the next Devon Hester...'

The next Devin Hester is named Percy Harvin.

Do you think the cards would take him or Jeremy Maclin at 13 in the 1st round?

But wait: don't the skins have that pick?

Moe, you don't believe the skins would trade this year's number 1 plus CR to get Boldin do you? Then the cards use that pick to replace Boldin with Harvin or Maclin, both of whom are faster and more dynamic?

Sure, why not....

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 14, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Moe, the way the FO ran away from TO (I'm proud of you Snyderatto!), I don't see your scenario even under the fog of an all-night kegger. Doesn't look like Zorny is interested in any more WRs (last paragraph), even as he measures his words about last year's rooks with cautious optimism.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 14, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

May be time to think about trading back and gathering Robinson (OG) or Woods (C) and an LB, instead of aiming for a home run with #13 pick.

Posted by: TheCork | March 14, 2009 7:20 PM

Come on Cork, do I have to explain it to you again? They're not trading down. They'll take the best player available at #13. Then, they'll trade next year's first round pick for a second this year.

This is Vinny and Danny. Born to be wild! Fire all of your guns at once and explode into space!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Raiders sign Khalif Barnes.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 14, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to try and be as clever as so many others, but I just don't have the chops.

Haynesworth and Hall are solid acquisitions that will better the defense and the team. Shorter opponent's drives, and good starting field position for the 'Skins will translate into more scoring chances.

Campbell lacks the willingness or ability to make good decisions quickly. He has a long throwing motion (takes a LONG time from beginning recoil to release); these two things mean he needs a lot more time than most lines could give him, not just the 'Skins aging one.

The 'Skins could have 5 Jerry Rice clones in their primes at WR, and still not be effective the way Campbell has been playing.

Yes he improved, but from pathetic to almost passable is still not good enough to earn him an extension or the praise of (or endorsement as) a real starter in the league.

The team should trade out of the 13th pick, and down towards the end of the 1st round or high into the second...whichever garners them more additional value (picks, players, or any combo thereof), focus on the o & d lines, and score a vet OLB off the F/A wire.

There are value vet WRs out there, to help get the team past the development period for Kelly and Thomas to see which pans out.

As for over 6 foot WRs available...Toomer, Jurevicius, Holt in the more senior teaching 1 year transition WR mold, and Ronald Curry might be worth a flyer for inside the red zone height and leaping...all should be affordable.

If you want to go longer and younger, Malcolm Floyd is a good risk...bring any one of those guys in while working Kelly and/or Thomas into the return game, and slowly ease them in at WR situationally. That way you build conditioning and toughness, while still getting week to week service from the "busts" (still too early to judge)...that's a more sound approach

Posted by: ThinkingMan | March 14, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiousity do anyone know if the Redskins are interested in Julious Peppers,he would be a great 1-2 punch with Albert?

Posted by: benefit100 | March 14, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

0% chance of Peppers.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 15, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

CJ Spiller?? home run hitter ??? we need him

Posted by: lilchenzo26 | March 15, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

0% chance for Pat White here. I don't think he is a nfl qb and his times were slow at the combine for the wrs. Then again so was steve slaton. Love the dude he is a proven winner. I think the only collegiate qb with 4 bowl wins.

Posted by: WVskinzfan | March 15, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

A risky low second to third round pick maybe? Good luck Pat lot of awesome memories here man!!

Posted by: WVskinzfan | March 15, 2009 1:34 AM | Report abuse

The stats of 3 QBs: Last years Superbowl winner, the high powered Cowpies QB, and Jason Campbell. Guess which is which? (Hint: JC played better than the Superbowl winning QB--QB is not the Skins problem area!)

TDS:13
INT: 6
YDS: 3245
RTG: 84.3

TDS: 17
INT: 15
YDS: 3301
RTG: 80.1

TDS: 26
INT: 14
YDS: 3448
RTG: 91.4

Posted by: Alan4 | March 15, 2009 4:27 AM | Report abuse

We should not even consider Pat White. Come on people wake-up the true need is on O-line and D-line, need to dig deep check out the kid from the Badgers Kraig Urbik he's versatile playing both right guard and tackle he's durable registering over 50 starts for the Badgers. Also check out Herman Johnson 6'7", 350 pound guard biggest player in LSU history, this guy can move - perfect replacement for Randy Thomas. On D-linemen Terrill Byrd out of Cincinnati in 13 games, the explosive Defensive Tackle recorded eight sacks plus he has a pretty low stock, so the 'Skins could hold off until the fifth or sixth round to pick him up - we need depth just in case Albert Haynesworth gets injured won't be so much of a drop off. Use what they have in Rob Jackson,Chris Wilson, sign Philip Daniels to stop the run. Does anyone know if Khary Campbell is still a Redskin? Hello use him in place of Marcus Washington, HB. Blades as back up. The thing is focus on Linebackers and Defensive Ends next years draft better prospects. Albert Haynesworth will make these guys better players trust me why you think Greg Blache is grinning he knows push up the middle will sure up this defense. Clinton Portis and Jason Campbell can only do so much with limited protection, but with the #13 pick if he's available I say Andre Smith, or Michael Oher, 3rd pick Herman Johnson LSU.

Posted by: kevinmoore22 | March 15, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

can someone tell me why its taking so long to bring daniels back? hes really old and coming off a major injury. who else wants him besides blache?

Posted by: follybeach | March 15, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Herman Johnson. A fatter version of Rinehart.

NFL Draft Analysis: Johnson is a huge towering human. Unfortuantely he is also slow, and not as strong as size would have one believe. He will need to bounce back from a terrible Senior Bowl if he wants to be drafted before the 5th round.


Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 15, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

'...tell me why its taking so long to bring daniels back?'


When I hear the name 'Daniels,' I think of 'The Wire.'

I wonder if Lester Freeman is still building miniture furniture while electronically snooping in on crack dealers.

Speaking of Snoop, it's kinda sad there's no place on television for short, squad lesbians with cornrow braids and a thick Ballmer accent.

I miss Bunk and the cigar that he never smoked as it was never lit.

McNulty would be a cool guy to drink with, but a bad guy to work alongside of.

You'd think by now the good people who run HBO would've come up with something as inventive as a cop show where all the morals and values that divide the good and bad are as muddled as a rugby scrum.

But, alas, they give us polygamy, an Austrialian homo-erotic band, and a psychiatrist who really needs to see a shrink.

Bring back 'The Wire' so Moe can watch tv again. 'Breaking Bad' is good, but the commercials on AMC are as stupid as early Sunday morning, rambling posts that have nothing to do with football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 15, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Life-long Redskins Fan here who just can't believe that the Danny Boy has not figured out that he needs to fire Vinny, hire a GM, and let the GM and the Coach worry about player personnel. I just moved out of DC in December and was catching up today. More proof that a GM is really needed for the Skins was when I read that the boy and the idiot flew to Miami to meet with Taylor!! Sorry, but it is like a circus in DC. WHY is it not the VP for Player Personnel and the Coach working through these issues. Snyder is the WORST thing to happen to the Skins, and they will continue to suffer. They can sign ALL the high priced overpaid stars they want. Until the football people make the football decisions in DC, it will be another long and spotty season. Zorn should pack up now, but will probably leave at the end of this season. Who can stay when the owner runs the show and causes more problems??

Posted by: mooersi | March 15, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Agreed on The Wire Moe. Great show start to finish. Kinda glad it ended so it didn't become a lame soap opera with a terrible ending like the Sopranos. Tried watching Eastbound and Down. I don't get these unfunny white trash shows. Married with Children can't be redone. Leave that market alone.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 15, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Corksucker wrote me a novella!

Well, I guess the more the blackguard raves, the closer to the bone I hew.

Huzzah.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 15, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Ha so this is how the Snyderato decides their draft picks.

Vote for your first round choice here:
http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp

Posted by: dante232 | March 15, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Ha so this is how the Snyderato decides their draft picks.

Vote for your first round choice here:
http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp

Posted by: dante232 | March 15, 2009 11:24 AM

Every team in the league has something like this on their website. It's not how the make their picks, it's how the generate traffic, sell ads.

Everyone knows that the Skins make their picks on the theory of "Best Player Available." That might be a sound theory if anyone out there had a clue as to which available player is best. They don't, and a more accuate description of their selections might be "Bust Player Available."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 15, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I think we should either draft a OT in the first round or try to trade down for a late first round and another pick. I say dont draft Ocrapo. He is just a one hit wonder......sound familiar.....devin thomas..how did he do last year? I am hoping that Andre Smith falls to us. I read that Philly is interested in moving up to draft an OT. That would be bad news for us getting, one of the top guys.

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 15, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

He is just a one hit wonder......sound familiar.....devin thomas..how did he do last year?

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 15, 2009 11:44 AM

How about a no-hit wonder? Matt Cassell. How did he do last year?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 15, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

How about a no-hit wonder? Matt Cassell. How did he do last year?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 15, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Missed the playoffs and is no longer on the team.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 15, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Ha so this is how the Snyderato decides their draft picks.

Vote for your first round choice here:
http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp

Posted by: dante232 | March 15, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse


I wish that were true, dante. If it were the way they drafted, we would've already fixed the off/def. lines. We would not have gotten 2 recievers and a tight end. I don't have any problem with getting that many picks, but we could've picked up 3 linemen in the 2nd round. We could've gone 2 linemen and a reciever. We would've addressed the needs.

Posted by: moosepod | March 15, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Missed the playoffs and is no longer on the team.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 15, 2009 1:22 PM

...and with a guaranteed contract for $14 million, more than even Haynesworth (thehighestpaiddefensivelinemaninthehistoryofthesport) is going to earn.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 15, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Top 10 things you didn't know about "TheCork" until now:

10. I work at Circuit City. I've been told I "have what it takes" to seriously advance my career here in the next 3-5 years.

9. Dan Snyder would not buy my girl scout cookies when I knocked on his door in 2004. I have hated him ever since.

8. I met Emilio Garcia-Ruiz at a Post Christmas party 3 years ago. After a few Appletinis and a half hour in the janitor's closet, one thing led to another. He is now my pimp.

7. J-Reid loves it when I rub his bald dome as he eats twinkies. I just love dome. Period.

6. When I married, I took my wife's last name.

5. I do have friends. Both of them are invisible, but they do exist.

4. I used to post under the ID of "Corkczar" because I think Mike Fratello is really hot.

3. I sweat a lot. A LOT.

2. I was the real photgrapher behind the Cooley picture last season.

1. I am the "source close to the team" JLC always talks about. I live 2 miles from Ashburn.

Posted by: TheCork_ | March 15, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will work out fine if he stays healthy and plays close to how well he played last year, but that's a big question mark. Offseason workouts or not, I'm not sure he's going to be as motivated with that $41 Million in the bank.
Also don't forget, if the Skins didn't land AH they would have overpaid for someone like C. Canty, that overachieved due to the presence of DeMarcus Ware. So be thankful we at least got the consensus No. 1 Free Agent on the market.
Zorn is right on the mark with his comments of AH, but Cerrato's contention that the addition of Haynesworth will make the offense better because the defense will create more turnovers, etc. is a joke. Will the offense score more points with a more disruptive defense? Yes. Will the offense be put in better positions to succeed at times? Yes. Will the offense actually be better? NO!
Last year's 2nd round mistakes will haunt this team again in '09
How do you miss on Eddie Royal? To me, when you're a GM and clearly rating receivers in the draft and cannot project a kid in your backyard as being polished, hard working, smart and productive in his first season in the league, that's the biggest problem.
Cerrato is awful and must go! Until this move is made, everything else you do is insignificant.

Posted by: hehateme | March 15, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Do you think the 700+ people who voted WR in the first round are all Vinny and Larry wandering from library to library in the region voting?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 15, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Do you think the 700+ people who voted WR in the first round are all Vinny and Larry wandering from library to library in the region voting?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 15, 2009 3:03 PM

I think it was Jason Campbell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 15, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Does it really matter who they draft if they miss (Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Rhinehart) every time they make a pick? And don't give me that bs about developing these guys, they needed help last year and said so publicly

Posted by: hehateme | March 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

hehateme

Yes and no. They have been solid in first round picks its everything else they drop the ball on.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 15, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

How do you miss on Eddie Royal? To me, when you're a GM and clearly rating receivers in the draft and cannot project a kid in your backyard as being polished, hard working, smart and productive in his first season in the league, that's the biggest problem.
Cerrato is awful and must go! Until this move is made, everything else you do is insignificant.

Posted by: hehateme

For the last time re: Royal, Desean Jackson, etc. Vinny said he was looking for TALL WRs in the draft, therefore Royal and Jackson did not fit that prototype. And Royal was passed over by several other teams as well.

You guys gotta admit to complaining ad nauseum about the Skins not having any TALL WRs.....well now we do. We just don't know if they can play in the NFL.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 15, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

SKINS SHIELDING HAYNESWORTH FROM THE MEDIA
Posted by Mike Florio on March 15, 2009, 3:22 p.m.
Last week, Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was indicted in connection with a December 2008 auto accident that he allegedly caused by driving his Ferrari too fast.

This week, the Redskins are launching offseason workouts.

And, in an e-mail regarding said workouts, the Redskins have made it known that Haynesworth will not be made available to the media.

The guy gets a $41 million contract, and the team already is hiding him from the press.

Yeah, this is gonna work out just great.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 15, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The guy gets a $41 million contract, and the team already is hiding him from the press.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 15, 2009 3:39 PM

What has this got to do with anything? Did we hire Haynesworth to play DT or to be the director of media relations?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 15, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Man oh, man...I can't wait until the draft comes so we can have some real news to talk about.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 15, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Man oh, man...I can't wait until the draft comes so we can have some real news to talk about.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 15, 2009 4:21 PM

Yeah, but that will be about two days of news and even then the comments will be exactly the same as they are today. Snyder sucks. Vinnie sucks. We're never going to win. We're going to win it all. We shudda.... I can't believe....

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 15, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I say we should trade up for Arron Curry.He is precisely what our defense needs.He may be the next Ed Reed,playing from the linebacker position he even looks like ed reed.Look at the defensive rookie mvp's over the last decade or so,they are all linebackers,can you say immediate impact.
I also think we may already have that natural free safety on the roster in Kareem Moore,allowing Laron to play SS.I like our secondary,now imagine Aaron Curry flying around making plays with london and a healthy Mcintosh.Sick.

Posted by: mark65 | March 15, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Championship teams are built from the lines out. OT and DE are the huge priorities, in that order. Nothing should change that focus. Strong lines enable all the X's and O's to work as drawn out, and make even mediocre QB's, WR's, RB's, LB's and CB/S's look like HOFers. Haynesworth and Dock were excellent additions, let's finish the job.

Posted by: chasgiffen | March 15, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

+++Top 10 things you didn't know about "TheCork" until now:

postd by FAKE THE CORK+++

Nice response to your "humor."

Wassamatta, MrRedskin21, afraid to post something about how "hi-larious" it was under your own screen name, cuz it'll give you away?? (All your patented homoerotic humor was the giveaway.)

Posted by: TheCork | March 15, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

+++Yeah, but that will be about two days of news and even then the comments will be exactly the same as they are today. Snyder sucks. Vinnie sucks. We're never going to win. We're going to win it all. We shudda.... I can't believe....

Posted by: talent_evaluator +++

Wow SOMEBODY’s been doing his research!

Posted by: TheCork | March 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

+++ Pat White? c'mon cork we need DL, OL, and LB's. Depth at CB is a consideration, too.

anyone thinking about drafting a QB is crazy...uh-oh

Posted by: pabrian2003+++

You’re right of course. Skins should be blowing their picks on DL OL and LB, not QB/Slash.

Posted by: TheCork | March 15, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

+++Campbell lacks the willingness or ability to make good decisions quickly. He has a long throwing motion (takes a LONG time from beginning recoil to release); these two things mean he needs a lot more time than most lines could give him, not just the 'Skins aging one.

The 'Skins could have 5 Jerry Rice clones in their primes at WR, and still not be effective the way Campbell has been playing.+++


Not sold on Campbell my own self. Yet, somehow, he went the first eight games without an INT, with decent pass blocking, good running and mediocre receivers who rarely got open deep.

Not arguing with your conclusion—I flat out don’t know--just how you got to it.

Posted by: TheCork | March 15, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Not arguing with your conclusion—I flat out don’t know--just how you got to it.

Posted by: TheCork | March 15, 2009 5:29 PM |

"Not arguing with your conclusion"? What kind of wishy-washy crap is this. Are you TheCork or TheCork_? You been out in the sun too long today? Why you even bothering to post when you're getting all mellow on us?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 15, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

If he’s available at #13, the choice is clear: Michael Oher. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FhlbsJUJ9Q

“John Jansen hands out Career Games to Opposing Defensive Ends the way Banks hand out Loans to Unqualified Borrowers.”

“Friends Don’t Let Friends Re-sign Marcus Washington.”

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 15, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I THINK THE GIANTS MAY HAVE CORRECTLY FILLED MANY OF THE SAME HOLES WE HAD and CONTINUE TO HAVE AND THEY HAVE N*I*N*E* DRAFT PICKS!!!!!

IT MAY BE TIME TO PANIC A LITTLE ????
______________________________________________

The NFC East free-agency report card

March 12, 2009 3:30 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley


New York Giants: A-

The Giants have been the most efficient team in the division during free agency. General manager Jerry Reese calmed down a lot of folks about the wide receiver position by continuing to hold out hope for Plaxico Burress. If you read between the lines, it sounds like the Giants are feeling pretty good about Burress' chances of avoiding jail time -- and I don't think an NFL suspension will be more than four games.

With that in mind, Reese set out to address some key areas in the Giants' defense. ***Former Falcons linebacker Michael Boley will immediately become a starter***, and his coverage skills will put the Giants in a much better position against running backs such as Brian Westbrook and Felix Jones. When the Eagles isolated Westbrook on Antonio Pierce during a December win, the results were devastating.

The Giants also stepped back and watched film of how the defensive line wore down in the second half of the season. Pro Bowl defensive end Justin Tuck had an outstanding season, but he was carrying too heavy a load in December and January. By signing former *** Seahawks defensive tackle Rocky Bernard and former Cowboys defensive end Chris Canty ***, the Giants bolstered their defensive line to the point where Fred Robbins could be used as trade bait. Paying Canty $7 million a year seems like a steep price, but Coughlin -- and his buddy Bill Parcells -- are convinced that he will become a force inside. In the Cowboys' 3-4 scheme, Canty was often an afterthought as a pass-rusher. After playing against Canty for several seasons, the Giants thought his height (6 feet 7) and power would allow him to collapse the pocket.

Former Texans safety C.C. Brown (the Giants love ex-Texans) should provide depth behind Michael Johnson and Kenny Phillips. Coughlin and Reese love creating competitive situations in training camp -- and they've done that at linebacker, safety and on the defensive line. Don't you think most teams would like to have Mathias Kiwanuka coming off the bench? Same goes for Jay Alford and Robbins. Heading into the draft, the Giants are the best team on paper. Of course, some people thought the same thing about the Cowboys last season.

Posted by: periculum | March 15, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

BACK TO MAYBIN ... Kirwan now predicting all decent OT will be gone at #13.

13.

Redskins

Aaron Maybin DE/LB Penn State Brian Cushing

The Redskins will be tempted to take an offensive tackle here, but it looks like a reach at this point if the top four OTs are off the board. They need a linebacker with pass-rush skills, and Maybin had a big year in 2008 getting upfield and making plays.

Posted by: periculum | March 15, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Matt Mosley also likes JC17 a whole lot. We'll see how that goes.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 15, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"Matt Mosley also likes JC17 a whole lot. We'll see how that goes.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 15, 2009"

Some idiot keeps clamoring for Cutler ... god only knows why ... he is now being compared to Jeff George. Just what the Redskins need.

If you look at the stats, the teams he has played with, the number of years in the league ...

JC17 may be the very best QB they've ever drafted ... short of Sammy Baugh perhaps ...

Only 1 superbowl QB was drafted by the Redskins and that was Mark Rypien. I really believe that JC17 is a much better QB.

Ask yourself, if this was a stable team (such as Rypien had) with a single coach and same offensive for around a decade. If JC17 was given that sort of "stability" he may have done far better ...

And after all he did turn out to be better than say a Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf, both of whom were drafted much, much higher.


Posted by: periculum | March 15, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I have yet to see any one of the supposed experts give any indication that they thought it was time to replace JC17. And aren't we glad that Joe Gibbs drafted him to replace Patrick Ramsay ... also of Denver and perhaps also a lot like Jeff George as it turns out. He should have stayed in DC, competed as hard as possible and not bellyached to his agent.

Now where is he?

Posted by: periculum | March 15, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler == Jeff George. Just say NO.

Posted by: periculum | March 15, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

“The Redskins will be tempted to take an offensive tackle here, but it looks like a reach at this point if the top four OTs are off the board. They need a linebacker with pass-rush skills, and Maybin had a big year in 2008 getting upfield and making plays.”

Posted by: periculum


The Skins *should* take an OT with their first pick. Since Andre Smith’s pro day appearance, I haven’t seen one mock draft seat all of the top four OTs, Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Andre Smith, Michael Oher before pick #13. Andre Smith or Michael Oher will be there at #13. There are too many other great players ahead of them.
Let’s hope Michael Oher is there at #13 and that the Skins scoop him up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FhlbsJUJ9Q

“Friends Don’t Let Friends Re-sign Marcus Washington.”

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 15, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, all_star. I haven't seen any mock drafts with the big 4 off the board before #13.

If we don't fill that gaping hole in the O-line, no one's ever going to take this team seriously running to the left. Forget about short yardage. And anybody that suits up at QB is going to be rolling to the right and running for their life before any play can develop--the smart QB will be throwing to the fan in the 10th row to get away from a standard 4-man rush that walks through the left side on every play.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 15, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"If we don't fill that gaping hole in the O-line, no one's ever going to take this team seriously running to the left. Forget about short yardage."

I thought the weakness was the right side of the line with Jansen at RT (still love ya Rock!) not the left, with Samuels and Dockery. BTW, how's Randy gonna do this year?

I watched the video on Oher and he seems like a good "character" guy for RT...modest, smart, mature, and frickin' big.

Smith's maturity level coming out of the combine really worries me.

Posted by: swowra | March 15, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Championship teams are built from the lines out. OT and DE are the huge priorities, in that order. Nothing should change that focus.
Posted by: chasgiffen

Really? How does that explain the current championship team's O-line that gave up the 4th most sacks in the league and have the 17th most passing and rushing yards? While it is true that their D is exceptional, they also scored 5 more points per game than the Skins. Pittsburgh's O-line is not very good. Offensively the difference between the two teams is playmakers - the Steelers have a couple and the Skins don't.

Why did the Cards make the SB? It was not because of their stellar D line. It was because they had a plethora of playmakers on offense.

The Skins only major problem last year was that they could not score points. Maybe JC will turn into a playmaking QB and the 3 draft pics from last year will turn out to be able to produce scores. Or maybe not. Playmakers on offense and OT if one of the top 4 are available should be the only thing the Skins are looking at - those are the priorities.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 15, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

All the mock drafts I have looked at as of late have Andre Smith and Michael Oher still on the board in the second half of the first round.

If we could trade down and pick up a late first rounder and an early second rounder we could address two big needs with a solid OT and pick up a good DE in the second round..maybe a Michael Johnson out of GT but I doubt he would be there. That would be ideal. Im still pissed we let evans go. We are real thin at DE

Posted by: jeffco01 | March 15, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

“I thought the weakness was the right side of the line with Jansen at RT (still love ya Rock!) not the left, with Samuels and Dockery. BTW, how's Randy gonna do this year?
I watched the video on Oher and he seems like a good "character" guy for RT...modest, smart, mature, and frickin' big.
Smith's maturity level coming out of the combine really worries me.”

Posted by: swowra

Yes, spot on. Jansen is the weakest link and the RT position is wide open. Stephon Heyer did a decent job playing limited time last year but he’s not bona fide starter in my opinion. Oher is much more athletic than both Jansen and Heyer and could immediately compete for a starting spot.
Smith has been a flake thus far -completely unpredictable. Why take a chance on this guy?…

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 15, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

periculum - "Only 1 superbowl QB was drafted by the Redskins and that was Mark Rypien. I really believe that JC17 is a much better QB. "

I'm guessing that would be except for the SB win, SB MVP, 2 pro bowls, 60% winning percentage...

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 15, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Thiesman??

Jay Cutler == Jeff George. Just say NO.

Posted by: periculum | March 15, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Josh McDaniels = Friggin idiot
Jay Cutler = incredible talent w/unrealized potential so far

Posted by: skinswest | March 15, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

"Offensively the difference between the two teams is playmakers - the Steelers have a couple and the Skins don't."

What? Pittsburgh had a QB who threw 17 TDs, one 1000 yard receiver, no 1000 yard rushers, no rushers that scored more than 5 TDs, and only one player with more than 55 receptions. Pittsburgh is the model team for winning DESPITE the lack of offensive playmakers. They win dirty, ugly, and with grit.

Unless of course you want to say they DO have playmakers, but their stats don't match their ability. Which I may then ask for a possible explanation for why their talented players look so pedestrian on paper (hint, hint: when in doubt, look straight at that o-line. How'd theirs do last season?).

Posted by: psps23 | March 15, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Donte Stallworth is indicted for vehicular manslaughter which means that Albert Haynesworth will also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in order to make an example to the rest of the players. Do not expect Haynesworth to play the first few games of the season too. He got lucky in that the victim of his accident survived but will be crippled for life, otherwise Haynesworth would be sharing a cell with Stallworth forever. Anyway, looks like an 0-4 season start until Haynesworth comes back from the likely suspension.

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 16, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Shouldn't that be "JohnWWW, Esq."?

Posted by: daggar | March 16, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Anybody been hearing the Jay Cutler for Jason Campbell and possibly another player rumors? I could see this as a real possibility. He wants out for sure now and Denver wants players and not draft picks! I would not put this past Danny Boy.

Posted by: CL2307 | March 16, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Anybody been hearing the Jay Cutler for Jason Campbell and possibly another player rumors? I could see this as a real possibility. He wants out for sure now and Denver wants players and not draft picks! I would not put this past Danny Boy.

Posted by: CL2307

YES! I hope we make a trade for Cutler. We can trade Jason Campbell and either Fred Smoot or Carlos Rogers for Cutler. That gives Denver a QB for a year. If they like Campbell, great keep and re-sign. If not, let him go to FA and McDaniels can draft his own guy. Also, Smoot/Rogers gives them a plug in for their cut Bly.

Do it!

Posted by: DCNative81 | March 16, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Really? How does that explain the current championship team's O-line that gave up the 4th most sacks in the league and have the 17th most passing and rushing yards? ... Pittsburgh's O-line is not very good.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 15, 2009 10:03 PM |

Your analysis is spot-on. Some RI posters think that upgrading the OL has to be the priority if the Skins are to improve. Those who are football savy are not necessarily cornvinced of this. What your analysis points out is that the Steelers had a suckball OL and yet they won the Super Bowl. Their line was definitely worse than the Skins in 2008. In terms of sacks allowed, they were 29th with 49 while the Skins were 22nd with 38. Another important OL stat is offensive penalties. This is where holding and false starts show up, easily the vast majority of offensive penality yards. For this stat the Skins were 11th with 644 yards in 2008 while the Steelers were 25th with 812. The Steelers had better receivers than the Skins and they had a sick D but their rushing offense was inferior to the Skins', at least for that part of the season when Portis was healthy, although Willy Parker, their starting RB, was injured for much of the year. Their QB could be inconsistent at times but he came through when he had to. His performance in the Super Bowl was almost a replica of what Eli Manning had done the previous year after similarly being inconsistent during the regular season. He led the team on a come-from-behind winning touchdown in the last two minutes of the game, topping it off with a scoring pass to the WR in the corner of the end zone, prexactly what Manning did.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 16, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I'll bet the Steelers kicking/punting game was better than ours.

Or maybe they were just lucky to win the Superbowl. Yeah, I'll bet they were just feeling lucky. Our Skins started out feeling lucky, then they started feeling not so lucky.

Hey, anybody seen The Nads guy around?

How about Haiku Man?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 16, 2009 2:23 AM | Report abuse

So is there going to be some RI Bracketology going on this year?

Posted by: kost52 | March 16, 2009 4:29 AM | Report abuse

Donte Stallworth is indicted for vehicular manslaughter which means that Albert Haynesworth will also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in order to make an example to the rest of the players. Do not expect Haynesworth to play the first few games of the season too. He got lucky in that the victim of his accident survived but will be crippled for life, otherwise Haynesworth would be sharing a cell with Stallworth forever. Anyway, looks like an 0-4 season start until Haynesworth comes back from the likely suspension.

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 16, 2009 12:33 AM |

Your a f-ing moron, AH will not get suspended for a traffic accident nor should he.

He was not drinking for one, and unless you were there that night you have no idea of what happened.

AH will be able to hire a very good lawyer, and what will happen is AH will have to pay the guy a few mil and thats it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2009 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Your analysis is spot-on. Some RI posters think that upgrading the OL has to be the priority if the Skins are to improve. Those who are football savy are not necessarily cornvinced of this.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 16, 2009 1:40 AM

Um, what?

The comparison of the Skins O-line vs. the Steelers O-line is laughable. I live in Pa and watched the entire Steelers run this year and they won it all for 3 reasons: they have the best defense in football, they have an elite QB who can make a play when there isn't one there and elite coaching. The Skins have none of those benefits. So to somehow undervalue the need for a solid O-line because the Steelers won it all with a crappy one is ridiculous. That's like saying you don't need a good QB because the Ravens won it all with Dilfer. Highlighting what a team won without as opposed to what DID carry them is a backwards way of thinking.

As Redskins fans, we should all know the value of a great O-line. The Hogs are one of the best units ever and are the only constant (along with Coach Gibbs and Art Monk) from the team's 3 Super Bowl victories. You could play just about any competant QB or RB behind that line and win. Not many teams could say that.

Bottom line is you improve your chances of winning in this league exponentially when you are strong on both lines. The Redskins have looked to improve just about every other unit in recent years and it's a big reason for their consistent underachievement. A failure to address the O-line this year could result in another losing season.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 16, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse

“Bottom line is you improve your chances of winning in this league exponentially when you are strong on both lines. The Redskins have looked to improve just about every other unit in recent years and it's a big reason for their consistent underachievement. A failure to address the O-line this year could result in another losing season.”

Posted by: brownwood26

Thank you for injecting some sanity in this thread. There is an overwhelming consensus among those who know something about football that the Skins must improve their O’line to be legitimate contenders.

--“Friends Don’t Let Friends Re-sign Marcus Washington.”

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 16, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

QUESTION

during last year's practices

who won? Our awful OL or our non-existant DL?

Seriously, did our crappy DL get a pass rush against our crappy OL or not? Did Jason Taylor moonwalk, do the running man, or the electric slide???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 16, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

think about if our D plays as good as expected with AH

then say we get a stud LB like Maluagaua with #13


and imagine that stud LB plays like a rookie of the year candidate, like a Patrick Willis or so. That's one un-darn-stoppable D.

The question, could Maluagaugagaaa or Cushing mimmick Willis? Laurinautis no, Aaron Curry maybe (but he'll be long gone by #13).

The two USC boys are what we'll get a look at, I think we have to decide if they're gonna be that good.

or put a stud DE alongside AH and see what happens, but I think Orakpo is the only stud DE in the draft and he'll prolly be gone.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 16, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

"Thank you for injecting some sanity in this thread. There is an overwhelming consensus among those who know something about football that the Skins must improve their O’line to be legitimate contenders.

--“Friends Don’t Let Friends Re-sign Marcus Washington.”


Posted by: all_star_0013 "

MWASH would be fine depth and a fine, if not very good, backup LB if we could get 'em for vet min.

and plus I just bought his jersey on sale (like 60 bucks off) after we cut 'em. If we get 'em back, then I'M IN THE MONEY, I'M IN THE MONEY

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 16, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

flound, thanks for straightening that fool out, whats the deal with Stallworth, was it determined to be a DUI, or anything like that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

From the times, some info:

It won't be a full house the first day, but it will be eventually," Zorn said. "This is a good place to work, and it's good for the guys to be here to motivate each other."

Recently signed left guard Derrick Dockery and five-time Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels - who won't be able to resume full workouts for a while in after triceps surgery in December - are already training in Arizona and aren't expected to be in attendance in Ashburn. Right guard Randy Thomas is about a month away from fully participating as he recovers from neck surgery in January.

For those players who will be at Redskin Park on Monday, Zorn and strength coach John Hastings have tinkered with the program, putting an emphasis on powerlifting with dumbbells and less on strength machines.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

flound, thanks for straightening that fool out, whats the deal with Stallworth, was it determined to be a DUI, or anything like that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 8:22 AM |

Not yet they took a blood test at the scene which is standard.

He has not been charged with anything, so I don't know what the idiot was talking about.

Stallworth has been cooperating with authorities, one witness said Stallworth was trying to beat the red light and went around another car that was stopped.

If that is the case he could have a problem.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

"Your analysis is spot-on. Some RI posters think that upgrading the OL has to be the priority if the Skins are to improve. Those who are football savy are not necessarily cornvinced of this."

Those that are football savvy understand that Pittsburgh's offense is mediocre at best, despite the fact that they have a $100 million QB, HOF-caliber wide receiver, and a Super Bowl MVP at the other WR spot. Those that are football savvy understand that Pittsburgh wins with tremendous defense and special teams, and arguably the best coaching staff in the league. Those that are football savvy understand that Pittsburgh wins by putting more credence into the "little guy" that does the dirty work, rather than blowing their load on "playmakers".

Those that are football savvy understand that you don't emulate Pittsburgh for what their offense does. You emulate them for what their front office and coaching staff do.

By the way, what's Pittsburgh thinking of doing this offseason?

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-2-229/On-The-Clock--Pittsburgh-Steelers.html

Posted by: psps23 | March 16, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

chasgiffen posted this statement: "Championship teams are built from the lines out. OT and DE are the huge priorities, in that order." No supporting evidence provided. amaranthpa took exception to this statement and offered as Exhibit A the 2009 Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers who if you look at their sack stats had a worse line than the Skins. I agreed with amaranthpa and added another stat for emphasis. brownwood26 took exception to what amaranthpa and I had posted and came up with this statement: "Bottom line is you improve your chances of winning in this league exponentially when you are strong on both lines." As with chasgiffen, brownwood26 did not proffer any evidence in support of his statement. Both he and chasgiffen apparently belong the post-modern Descartian philosophical school: "I said it therefore it is". Even though it won't change any minds, I thought I would provide another piece of evidence to challenge the notion that a team has to have a "superior" OL to be SB champs. Listed below are the SB champs from the current decade and the number of their OL that made the pro bowl. There are 8 conference OL slots in the pro bowl for center, guard and tackle:

Year,SB Champ,#PB OL

2009 PIT 0
2008 NYG 0
2007 IND 2
2006 PIT 2
2005 NE 0
2004 NE 0
2003 TB 0
2002 NE 0
2001 BAL 1
2000 STL 1

This totals up to 6 out of 80 possible slots (8 slots/yr, 10 years). In a 16 team conference, if selection were random, the expectation is that each team would have approximately 5 (=80/16) selections. So the SB champs of the current decade barely exceeded an average expected OL result where pro bowl selection is the criteria.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 16, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Those that are football savvy understand that Pittsburgh wins by putting more credence into the "little guy" that does the dirty work, rather than blowing their load on "playmakers".

Those that are football savvy understand that you don't emulate Pittsburgh for what their offense does. You emulate them for what their front office and coaching staff do.

Posted by: psps23 | March 16, 2009 8:37 AM

Now THAT'S the psps23 I know and love...great post. The Skins and Steelers are apples and oranges...probably the only thing they have in common is they both play in the NFL. My only hope is that Danny looks up at Pittsburgh and sees that the Rooneys are doing things THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the way Danny does and the results are indisputable.

Here's hoping we stop paying through the ass for other people's "playmakers" and start drafting and cultivating our own...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 16, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

2009 MOCK DRAFT 2.0, PART ONE
Posted by Mike Florio on March 15, 2009, 4:53 p.m. EDT
1. Detroit Lions: Eugene Monroe, tackle, Virginia.

The smart move for the Lions is to avoid making the financial investment in a coin-flip proposition at quarterback. Major questions exist regarding Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez, so the safest pick for a franchise in need of reversing a decade of horrible performances is a tackle who could nail down the left side of the line for the next ten years, or more.

2. St. Louis Rams: Jason Smith, tackle, Baylor.

The offensive line has been the biggest liability in St. Louis over the past couple of years. The Rams swung and missed with Alex Barron four years ago, and with Orlando Pace now gone they need to get the best offensive lineman still on the board.

3. Kansas City Chiefs: Aaron Curry, linebacker, Wake Forest.

With the quarterback situation under control via the trade for Matt Cassel, the Chiefs can focus on a guy who could end up conjuring memories of Derrick Thomas in the 3-4 defense the Chiefs are incorporating.

4. Seattle Seahawks: Mark Sanchez, quarterback, USC.

Matt Hasselbeck will be 34 in September, and he has been showing signs of wear and tear. With a new coaching regime and Hasselbeck having maybe two solid years left, now is the time to begin grooming his successor. (And with receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh acquired via free agency, there’s simply no reason to take a chance on Michael Crabtree.)

5. Cleveland Browns: Brian Orakpo, linebacker/defensive end, Texas.

With Curry gone, new Browns coach Eric Mangini needs a pass rusher for the 3-4 front. As an added benefit, Mangini’s selection and development of Orakpo could stick it to the Jets and G.M. Mike Tannenbaum, who picked overhyped workout warrior Vernon Gholston a year ago.

6. Cincinnati Bengals: Andre Smith, tackle, Alabama.

If any team isn’t troubled by the shirtless Jello buffet that emerged last week in Alabama, that team will be the Bengals. Smith fits a clear need given the departure of Stacey Andrews. In Cincinnati, Andre “the Giant . . . Boobs” could play the right side until Levi Jones leaves or calls it quits.

Continued

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

7. Oakland Raiders: Michael Crabtree, receiver, Texas Tech.

The Raiders supposedly showed mild interest in T.O. because they think that Crabtree will be on the board at No. 7. Under this scenario, he is. And thus the Red Raider becomes a silver and black one.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jeremy Maclin, receiver, Missouri.

With Tra Thomas signed for three years, there’s no longer a pressing need for a left tackle. So the Jags can instead focus on the position that has been a chronic weakness in Jacksonville for years.

We also don’t rule out a trade up to No. 6 — the Jags could steal Crabtree from the Raiders and the Bengals could still get Smith, at a lower price and with an extra pick or two arising from the transaction.

Or it could be that the Raiders are putting out smoke signals that the want Crabtree so that the Jags won’t jump to No. 6 in order to get Maclin before Oakland can squat on his rights.

9. Green Bay Packers: Malcolm Jenkins, defensive back, Ohio State.

Cornerbacks Al Harris and Rod Charles Woodson are climbing the 30s ladder, and the decision to tender Atari Bigby, a restricted free agent, at the second-round level suggests that the Packers don’t view him as a cornerstone of the defense. Jenkins can become a long-term contributor at one position or the other.

10. San Francisco 49ers: Josh Freeman, quarterback, Kansas State.

Freeman’s stock is rising, and the Niners get their version of Oakland’s JaMarcus Russell.

11. Buffalo Bills: Michael Oher, tackle, Mississippi.

With a trade of Jason Peters coming sooner or later, the Bills need a guy like Oher to help keep defenders away from Trent Edwards. So that he can throw passes to Terrell Owens. So that he can drop them.

12. Denver Broncos: B.J. Raji, defensive tackle, Boston College.

In the first season post-Shanahan, the Broncos address a defensive line that the long-time coach was never able to significantly improve.

13. Washington Redskins: Aaron Maybin, defensive end, Penn State.

The arrival of Albert Haynesworth and the departure of Jason Taylor puts the team in the market for a high-end defensive end. Maybin is the best one on the board.

Continued

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

14. New Orleans Saints: Knowshon Moreno, running back, Georgia.

If the Saints were interested in LaDainian Tomlinson, then they’re looking for a guy who can beef up the running game. Though they need help on defense, the offense-biased Sean Payton won’t be able to resist a man like Moreno.

15. Houston Texans: Brian Cushing, linebacker, USC.

Rey Maualuga’s available, but the Texans have DeMeco Ryans. A trade down is a possibility here, too. Especially with Matthew Stafford on the board and the Jets desperate for a quarterback at No. 17.

16. San Diego Chargers: Everette Brown, linebacker/defensive end, Florida State.

With Igor Olshansky gone and Shawne Merriman possibly not far behind, a guy like Brown could try both line and linebacker at the NFL level before finding his best fit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Flound thanks for posting that, I couldn't personally agree LESS with it. NO WAY monroe goes before Jason Smith, Josh Freeman, no way GBay passes on Raji, if he's still on the board. Wow...I'm not sure I've seen a worse one than this...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Flound thanks for posting that, I couldn't personally agree LESS with it. NO WAY monroe goes before Jason Smith, Josh Freeman, no way GBay passes on Raji, if he's still on the board. Wow...I'm not sure I've seen a worse one than this...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 8:55 AM |

I agree it is bad, but it will give some people a discussion topic.

I don't like Maybin and hope we don't take him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me, Maybin, I'd puke on my keyboard if that happens....that would be an incredible reach at #13..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

As with chasgiffen, brownwood26 did not proffer any evidence in support of his statement. Both he and chasgiffen apparently belong the post-modern Descartian philosophical school: "I said it therefore it is".

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 16, 2009 8:45 AM

Anton, I see you've taken the ever popular d0uche approach to this argument, so let's break it down...line play is and has ALWAYS been the way to win in the NFL. Period. It's mostly common sense, and folks who play and coach the game know this. We're not making stuff up, nor are we breaking any new ground with this.

And I can't believe you would be so foolish as to post Pro Bowl numbers on Super Bowl champions...absolutely laughable. In case you haven't noticed, OFFENSIVE LINEMAN HAVE NO RECORDED STATISTICS!!! So getting named to a Pro-Bowl as an O-lineman is even more of a popularity contest than any other position. You'd think the Skins did great on the line last year, with Samuels getting voted to the Pro-Bowl and all!

Individual talent isn't what O-line success is about...it's about playing as a cohesive unit. Nobody did that better than the Giants the last couple of years, regardless of how many Pro-Bowlers they have.

So it isn't so because I said so. It's because some of the greatest minds in football said so.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 16, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me, Maybin, I'd puke on my keyboard if that happens....that would be an incredible reach at #13..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 8:59 AM

I'm with you, Greg. We already have one undersized tweener at DE, I'll pass on another. Orakpo is the pick if he's there. I just hate all this talk of taking a damn LB...GET LINE HELP!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 16, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Individual talent isn't what O-line success is about...it's about playing as a cohesive unit. Nobody did that better than the Giants the last couple of years, regardless of how many Pro-Bowlers they have.

So it isn't so because I said so. It's because some of the greatest minds in football said so.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 16, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Working as a unit is very important but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken Sh*t either. An o-line is the sum of it's parts after all.

Posted by: Gweez | March 16, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Flounder and Beantown,

Before you 'pooh-pooh' that particular mock draft, I fart on every single one. How many mocks last year even got a quarter of the picks right? Wasn't Devin Thomas supposed to go somewhere in the 15-17 range? And where did he go? They are all always off. They can't take in to consideration trades and as much as they would like to be expert talent evaluators, the real professionals are already working for teams.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 16, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Brown,
I 100% agree with you, LB is the 3rd need on the team, We first need a OT, then a DE and then a LB.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Whats that theory that states at some point someone will get a mock draft 100% correct. And eventually if we put 1000 monkeys on 1000 typewriters eventually one will write Shakespeare.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Working as a unit is very important but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken Sh*t either. An o-line is the sum of it's parts after all.

Posted by: Gweez | March 16, 2009 9:09 AM

Gibbs and Bugel did it for years! The Hogs had more than their fair share of undrafted FAs and low round picks!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 16, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 16, 2009 8:45 AM"

Yet if you totaled up how many pro-bowl "playmakers" those teams had from WRs, RBs, and TEs, how different would it look?

PIT 2008: 0
NYG 2007: 0
IND 2006: 2
PIT 2005: 0
NE 2004: 1
NE 2003: 0
TB 2002: 0
NE 2001: 1
BAL 2000: 0
STL 1999: 2

That's 6 pro-bowl "playmakers" from those skilled positions on Super Bowl winning teams this decade, out of a possible 90 slots (3 per year for RB + 4 per year for WR + 2 per year for TEs x 10 years = 90 slots). 6 put of 90.

Now again, why is it necessary to have these impact "playmakers" more so than impact offensive linemen? I'm just not getting your football savvy argument.

Posted by: psps23 | March 16, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying you can't get good players in later rounds. I'm simply saying you have to have the talent regardless of what round it comes in. Those Broncos olines of the late 90's weren't star studded and worked well in zone blocking, but they weren't scrubs either.

Posted by: Gweez | March 16, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"I 100% agree with you, LB is the 3rd need on the team, We first need a OT, then a DE and then a LB.

Posted by: alex35332"

For future needs, i agree with you.

For immediate needs, it goes DE, LB, then OT. We cannot enter the season relying on Chris Wilson or Rob Jackson to start at LDE. That would be a disaster waiting to happen.

However, both DE and OLB can be filled with serviceable vets with the impact players that are surrounding them (I'd personally love it if Daniels and MWash came back). OT is not the same. That's why OT is priority #1 with that first pick.

Posted by: psps23 | March 16, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Right,
You can't think that a rookie who comes in will be starting game one at any spot on the roster. At best they are getting play time.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Okay - Who wants to bet that Cutler will be here in the fall? I know, all rational thought it that we have a QB of roughly the same age and talent, but rationality never enters the conversation with the braintrust in Ashburn...

Posted by: authorofpoetry | March 16, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Right,
You can't think that a rookie who comes in will be starting game one at any spot on the roster. At best they are getting play time.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2009 9:29 AM

Flacco and Ryan are the 2 most notable names of rookies who started last year, day 1.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Wow, if BJ Raji falls to 12, isn't there a chance he could fall to 13... we would have to think about that one wouldn't we?

Are there any straight DEs worth taking at #13?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 16, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

aop, stop with the stupidity....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Okay - Who wants to bet that Cutler will be here in the fall? I know, all rational thought it that we have a QB of roughly the same age and talent, but rationality never enters the conversation with the braintrust in Ashburn...

Posted by: authorofpoetry | March 16, 2009 9:38 AM |

Cutler won't be here in the fall, for one there are a few teams interested in Cutler who have more draft picks to give up.

The Skins are going to give JC this year to prove he can take this team somewhere, if he can they will give him the contract he wants, if he can't we are free of him with no cap hit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

ryp, not that early for a DE unless orakpo falls for some reason. The other DE's, Everette Brown, and Tyson Jackson are more of later round 1 guys.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I would say they are the exception to the norm. From what I remember Flacco was expected to not be the starter, just worked out that way, not to mention the whole thing they did with Smith and Flacco lining up at the same time. Not sure about Ryan as I don't follow ATL, nor recognize its right to professional sports teams.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Flounder - I hope they give Campbell one more year. I like him. He had an old O-line and small or unprepared receivers. There are other teams that need a QB like TB. I just wouldn't be surprised if Snyder and Vinny entertain the idea...I hope they don't.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | March 16, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

There were a few OT's who started as rookies last year and did a great job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Ok alex, what is you excuse for Landry starting day 1 then?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

There are plenty of players that start as rookies. Most 1st round picks are expected to contribute immediately, many are expected to start immediately. Whoever the Skins select will have to play a major role next year, and will most likely will be expected to start.

Posted by: psps23 | March 16, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Not sure about Ryan as I don't follow ATL, nor recognize its right to professional sports teams.
Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2009 9:48

There was never really much doubt about Ryan. He was clearly the best option from day one. We love our pro teams here. As long as they're winning and don't need us to actually show up for the games!

Posted by: will_ga | March 16, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Campbell will get one more year because he will be only a restricted FA next year.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

psp, agreed, Buges needs to get any and all OL up and running from DAY 1. No more of this going with the vets crap.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

periculum - "Only 1 superbowl QB was drafted by the Redskins and that was Mark Rypien. I really believe that JC17 is a much better QB. "

I'm guessing that would be except for the SB win, SB MVP, 2 pro bowls, 60% winning percentage...

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 15, 2009 10:41 PM

Rypien threw a nice deep ball. And with that OL he could throw deep often.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 16, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

YES! I hope we make a trade for Cutler. We can trade Jason Campbell and either Fred Smoot or Carlos Rogers for Cutler. That gives Denver a QB for a year. If they like Campbell, great keep and re-sign. If not, let him go to FA and McDaniels can draft his own guy. Also, Smoot/Rogers gives them a plug in for their cut Bly.

Do it!

Posted by: DCNative81 |

What in the heck are you smoking???? Cutler has always had an attitude problem and is a whiner. Not to mention why in heck would we give up Carlos Rogers???? Makes absolutely no sense....we don't have Springs anymore remember....we would have to get another corner.

Also it would be starting over yet again for us. Your crazy scenario would benefit the Broncos but certainly NOT the Skins.....perhaps you are a Broncos fan?

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 16, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Bean - If Raji falls to #13, wouldn't we have to take him? If youve got Haynesworth and Raji at tackles, I'm guessing that I could play DE and get a few sacks.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 16, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Campbell is a stand up dude and Cutler seems driven by drama. I hope they give every opportunity to Campbell but thus far he doesn't seem to have any emotions. If I spent as much time on my rear end or running for my life as he did this year, I'd be pissed and would let my O-line know about it.

Anyway, at least I didn't say, 'start Colt this season!'

Posted by: authorofpoetry | March 16, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Cutler needs to be traded to Buffalo so he can compete with TO for the position of team drama queen. That woyld be fun to watch.

Posted by: will_ga | March 16, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

WHO CARES!

JUST TRADE FOR JAY CUTLER!

JUST TRADE FOR JAY CUTLER!

JUST TRADE FOR JAY CUTLER!

Posted by: Hondo5 | March 16, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

So, Limbaugh is going after another black man.

Out of 3 times(McNabb, Steele, snd Whitlock), this is the 1st one I am not mad at.......

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/story/734089.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

It depends on the price tag but in a vacuum I would rather have Cutler over JC, just personal opinion but I think Cutler along with Rivers and Big Ben is one of the 3 young game changers at QB. JC is decent but no defenses fear him and he doesn't make anybody respect our passing game. We can all make the excuses that its cause he doesn't have any receivers or a good oline but Cutler did it last year with Brandon Marshall and that was it, and how many great receivers has Mcnabb had or Brady until recently? Great QB's always make the receivers look better but wr's can only do so much to make a qb look good. IMHO JC is a decent guy but Cutler would be a definite upgrade.

However, it depends on the price tag, if we could get him for our 3rd or even our 3rd this year and 3 or a 2 next year, I'd do it. If we could get him for JC and Betts and a our 5th I'd do it. If we could get him for JC and our 3rd I'd do it, but if they even bring up our 1st hang up immediately.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 16, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

One more thing......

Colin CowTurd is coming to town Thursday and doing his live radio show.

Can we get a crowd of booers to go and embarrass him on national radio/tv for those Wilbonesque comments he made immediately after ST21's death? He shouldn't be welcomed, if you ask me........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

beep beep. good morning, like such as.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 16, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Ok I did the math for last years first round picks

Of the 31 first round rookie picks last season the average starts 8.71 games
8 started 16 games
4 started no games
7 started 10+
1 started 8+

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

ryp, if Raji falls, then you auction that pick off to this highest bidder, lets start with a late 1, and a 2 to begin with.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 16, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

What about moving Samuels to right tackle and either drafting or going after a FA left tacle and start Riehnhart and Dockery at the gaurds. That would go a long way toward rebuilding the line. I remember a ways back Jacoby moving to right tackle near the end of his playing days that worked out pretty well.

Posted by: kmolta441 | March 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

lsskinsfan: "Last offseason the Redskins conjured up a plan that involved two first round draft picks for one Ocho Cinco.*****
Anyone here wish that had happened? I am glad it did not, even though our WR's suck."

Listen, I feel compelled to remind you people that this guy actually outran a horse.

Now if Cincy can only find an opponent with a horse at free safety...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 16, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "The next Devin Hester is named Percy Harvin...Then the cards use that pick to replace Boldin with Harvin or Maclin, both of whom are faster and more dynamic?"

Jeez, I hope not. I shudder every time I hear some college guy or rookie called 'the next...' so and so. It's like a curse.

Remember all the next Dick Butkuses and Gale Sayerses and Anthony Munozes and Lawrence Taylors that teams drafted before they realized that they would never find successors to guys who were that good?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 16, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Whoever saying that signin JAY CUTLER would be a good idea is a numbnut.

It would benefit the REDSKINS in no way as :
1) he would need to learn the system
2) Would already be viewed as a whiner & crybaby
3) Skills are not a leap above JC IMO

Let's get real......the whiners about JC are spoiled crybabies who yell about building a team then are impatient about the most important position on the team.

How did JC perform with an OL the 1st half of the season?? How did her perform without time the 2nd half of the season in 2008??

As in anything the QB takes the blame for everything. The offense has had the most infusion of youth and that young talent needs to develop.

Kelly, Thomas, Davis & JC are the future of this team.......

Posted by: goosedude | March 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Slapshot46 | March 16, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"When you have an impact player like him, you have to make special considerations," Zorn said Friday. He should be able to have anger and crippled for life anyone that gets in the way of his Auto as he drives 100+ mph. People are just unhappy because we signed Haynes. Haynesworth is the Victim here. And the Joe he hit should have to pay all damages to Haynes Auto!

Posted by: Slapshot46 | March 16, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Jacksonville Jaguars receiver Reggie Williams
Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall
Buffalo Bills running back Marshawn Lynch
49ers Roderick Green
Atlanta Falcons running back Jamal Anderson
Michael Vick
Stallworth
Dan snyder is trying to get in some more stars to boster the redskins holes.

Posted by: Slapshot46 | March 16, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

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