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Zorn hired by Ravens as quarterbacks coach

Updated 8:05 p.m.

Jim Zorn wasn't out of work long.

The former Redskins head coach, fired Jan. 4, has been hired as the Baltimore Ravens' quarterbacks coach.

"I'm very excited about having a job, No. 1, and then having a job with another excellent organization," Zorn said in a phone interview. "The Ravens were in the playoffs this year, and they're not losing too many guys, so I think it's just a really good situation to be in."

Zorn, who went 12-20 in two seasons leading Washington, beat out Al Saunders, a Ravens consultant who formerly served as the Redskins' associate head coach--offense under Joe Gibbs, for the position. Before joining the Redskins, Zorn was a respected quarterbacks coach with the Seattle Seahawks.

The Ravens will look to Zorn to oversee the development of second-year quarterback Joe Flacco.

"Joe Flacco is a really good, young QB, so I'm definitely excited about working with him," Zorn said. "Whether it's a perfect fit, well, that'll be a good question to answer as I go along here. I hope it is. I believe it's going to be a great situation."

In a statement about the hiring, Ravens Coach John Harbaugh praised Zorn's background and "great résumé" working with quarterbacks. "Jim played successfully in the NFL for a long time," Harbaugh said. "He knows what quarterbacks go through in this league. He has been a quarterbacks coach and a head coach, and he is familiar with our offense.

"I've gotten to know Jim for the last couple of years, and I have been impressed with him as a person. He's a good, decent man, and he will be an excellent addition to the Ravens. This is an exciting addition to our staff."

Contributing to the continued development of the promising Flacco will top Zorn's to-do list in Baltimore. While with the Redskins, Zorn often spoke highly of Flacco in conversations with reporters who cover the team, saying he believed the No. 18 overall pick in the 2008 draft is an emerging star at the position.

"But I'm not going to presume that I'm going to come in and all of a sudden Joe Flacco is just going to fall all over himself and say, 'Oh, this is great,' " Zorn said Saturday. "I've got to earn the right to speak into his life, to speak into his game, after I just see what's there."

Zorn still was under contract with the Redskins for 2010 at a salary of about $2.4 million, league sources said. He is believed to have "offset" language in his contract, meaning the Redskins would be responsible for paying Zorn the remainder of his 2010 salary less what he receives from the Ravens.

By Jason Reid  |  January 30, 2010; 4:51 PM ET
 
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Comments

Zorn should work for the Ravens for $1 so Snyder will have to continue to pay him.

Posted by: agcoony | January 30, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I think he will be successful at coaching the QB's. Just don't get him to call the plays. He can easily transport his slip-n-slide and exercise balls.

Hail!

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 30, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Good Luck Jim. I wish it had worked out for you here. You handled yourself with professionalism and class. Go make Joe Flacco the next ... well ... Jim Zorn.

Posted by: garrena1 | January 30, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Shows that last season didn't stick to Zorn in the eyes of his peers, at least. That means Vinny will bear most of the blame going forward. Probably a fair exchange. Zorn gets to work with a good young QB under a solid head coach. That's his strength, anyway. Maybe in five or ten years he'll get another shot at a top job.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 30, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Poor Joe Flacco and every Raven fan. How does that stammering idiot win anyone over in an interview?

Posted by: whydoIcare | January 30, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Priceless Absolutely Priceless !!!!!!!

Posted by: OG_Barno | January 30, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Good for Jim! He was treated shabbily here, and I'm glad he landed on his feet.

Posted by: MajorConfusion | January 30, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Great for Jim Zorn you can't keep a good man down. I truly believe that he will do wonders with Joe Flacco Great for the Ravens I know the Redskins are bouncing back but the Ravens are a great Franchise with stability. The Redskins are working on theirs still. Great job to the Owner Steve Biscotti and Ozzie and Coach Harbaugh

Posted by: donaldtaylor | January 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Great for Jim Zorn you can't keep a good man down. I truly believe that he will do wonders with Joe Flacco Great for the Ravens I know the Redskins are bouncing back but the Ravens are a great Franchise with stability. The Redskins are working on theirs still. Great job to the Owner Steve Biscotti and Ozzie and Coach Harbaugh

Posted by: donaldtaylor | January 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Great for Jim Zorn you can't keep a good man down. I truly believe that he will do wonders with Joe Flacco Great for the Ravens I know the Redskins are bouncing back but the Ravens are a great Franchise with stability. The Redskins are working on theirs still. Great job to the Owner Steve Biscotti and Ozzie and Coach Harbaugh

Posted by: donaldtaylor | January 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Forget Mike Iupati...that guy is a holding machine

Posted by: ATLredskin | January 30, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

How do you truly believe that he will do 'wonders' for Flacco. I really don't get the view that he is such a great QB coach. Hasslebeck was a good to very good QB but he was never mentioned as one of the tops in the league. He had a fantastic running game that really made those Seattle teams. Who else did he work with, Charlie Batch? Really?

Posted by: whydoIcare | January 30, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Good job on all sides. Zorn gets a position well-earned and the 'Skins save a little, well, skin.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 30, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Aaaaaaand the Ravens win the Superbowl next year..

*facepalm*

Posted by: OneGovt_Worker | January 30, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, Jim Zorn wasn't out of work long.

Well, there's getting a salary, and there's "having work". He's had little to do other than call bad timeouts and 3rd/4th down calls for over a year now.
But good luck to him, I hope he does to Flacco and Smith what he's done to Campbell and Brennan.

Posted by: daggar | January 30, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

And this matters to we Redskins fans because...?
Can we have a report on the employment whereabouts of the marketing people who were let go in last year's purge, please?
Come on, man, this is a windshield league not a rearview mirror league. No one won anything by looking back.

Posted by: MrChili | January 30, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Honestly i care less about Zorn because he's NOT apart of the Redskins organization

I wanna hear something bout da Senior Bowl or potentisl trades!!

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | January 30, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

He went from a Head Coach to a QB coach. Let's see how screws up flacco.

Posted by: jmy999 | January 30, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

yeah.. Coach Zorn was awful. He only coached Jason to the best numbers of his career behind the most injury filled offense in the NFL in 2009. think again. and if you think all there is to coaching is how you come off in press conferences (which i thought he did a great job btw) and calling timeouts - well by that measure there are a lot of awful coaches in the nfl.

Posted by: my1xrulz | January 30, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Balt now has 3 former Skinz on their O staff - Cam, Sauna and now Z. Not that the Skinz were ever known as an O jugger like the Ramz back in the day with Verm and Marts.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | January 30, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Zorn sucked...accept it. Now, let's get Peppers in free agency. In Senior Bowl, QB Zac Robinson is impressive. Has better pocket presence than JC17 already.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 30, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Taylor Mays has a lotta Laron Landry in him.
If Mike Iupati is an elite prospect, then we need Fran Tarkenton for QB next year.
Brandon Graham is a beast, was outstanding all year (outstanding mainly because Michigan's defense had no one else that was very good, and spent a lot of time on the field).

Posted by: daggar | January 30, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe in five or ten years he'll get another shot at a top job.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 30, 2010 5:10 PM |

By then the dud will be over 60 and not on anyone's HC list. Being an old, failed HC is a double whammy that hardly anyone could overcome, least of all him.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | January 30, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Zorn was a good guy, Bush was a good guy, Clinton was a good guy, Cooke was a good guy, Gibbs was a good guy, Theisman was a good guy. It don't matter. None of them will help us win going forward or change a thing about our country.
Let go of Zorn, both haters and lovers.
The future wasn't then and it isn't now.
The future is next.

Posted by: MrChili | January 30, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey the Ravens OC is Cam Cameron, he makes Jim Zorn look like a genius.

Posted by: dkane3 | January 30, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrChili | January 30, 2010 5:59 PM |

Dude - passed a lot gas lately? Heh, heh.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | January 30, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Poor Flacco.......What is Harbaugh thinking ??? This had better not be another Billick / Boller disaster ......

Posted by: djv123 | January 30, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

12-20 is pretty awful. Also, coaching JC to the best numbers of his career is like giving a fat chick a great haircut. On the surface it looks better but when you get down to it she is still fat. JC may have been 'coached' to is his best season but we won 4 games.

Posted by: whydoIcare | January 30, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has always been a class act, and a most entertaining quarterback for the Seahawks. Too bad he didn't produce up to par for the "Other Washington", but I wish him well.

Posted by: Charlottean | January 30, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I agree, he should stick it to Snyder and work for $1. He certainly would be getting the last laugh........

Posted by: jiboo | January 30, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

12-20 is pretty awful.

Posted by: whydoIcare | January 30, 2010 6:06 PM |

It is. The teen years, except for one year at the beginning and one year at the end. Rraging hormones, clueless parentage, it just don't get no worse than that. No wonder you don't give a shti.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | January 30, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Zorn gets to work for a real NFL team. I wish him all the best.

Posted by: trentb | January 30, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Good for him. Maybe he can hang in there for a couple of seasons and catch on in college like Rick Neuheisel. Good luck Zorny!

Posted by: mstov | January 30, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

With Zorn babbling in his ear, Flacco is doomed. Poor kid.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 30, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

12-20 is pretty awful.

Posted by: whydoIcare | January 30, 2010 6:06 PM |

It is. The teen years, except for one year at the beginning and one year at the end. Rraging hormones, clueless parentage, it just don't get no worse than that.

Now that's funny. But just wait 'til you get a woman 48-53. Talk about ragin' hormones, cluelessnes, and getting no worse...

Posted by: MrChili | January 30, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

There goes Flacco's progress!

Posted by: JohnWWW | January 30, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to see Jim Zorn hired by the Ravens. I actually liked him as a person and I think his personality might match up well with Flacco's. Ravens are a solid, solid franchise and, to be honest, the Redskins could learn something from them. I grew up a 'skins fan, but the way they've conducted their business the last several years has left little to be desired. I am by no means excited or "down" about the Shanny and Allen hires. Right now, it's just seems like another offseason splash, but I digress...

Posted by: swishjobs | January 30, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

LOL for all you know Zorn will probably turn Flacco into the next Brady and show the football world what a pathetic franchise the Redskins truly are...

Posted by: joek443 | January 30, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn, you are a class act. I'm so glad that you found a new gig and so quickly. Go, Jim, Go.

Posted by: JoStalin | January 30, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

@MrChili -

The future is next, but if you don't learn from the past you will continue to make the same mistakes in the future. History has a way of repeating itself. Synder makes big name splashes, but the Ravens seem to win with lesser names. Makes you wonder.

Posted by: swishjobs | January 30, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see that Zorn's back to his natural job. Apparently he's only willing to work for teams that play in Maryland...

Posted by: randysbailin | January 30, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Why is every1 showin Zorn Sympathy.. Have yall seen da way he coach dis team da past two years.. The only i can defend him is that he was brought in a position to fail

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | January 30, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"LOL for all you know Zorn will probably turn Flacco into the next Brady and show the football world what a pathetic franchise the Redskins truly are..."

Yeah right, keep dreaming

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 30, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

He was brought in to coach, he failed. It may have been a sh*t situation but he agreed to the terms. He was not good enough to cut it so he got fired. I don't get the sympathy everyone gives him. He may have class but he is a loser.

Posted by: whydoIcare | January 30, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

i would take a chance on Talor Mays. I know he is alot like LL, but more like Sean just not as gifted. He really want to play Free Safety, You can tell he looks up to Sean. I would use my 2 round pick on him he is worth it. If he can play free,we will be really tough hard hitting team.

Posted by: dsquare | January 30, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Just in case anyone had even the slightest doubt, the verdict is in on Jim Zorn: NOT head coaching material, NOT offensive coordinator material, BACK WHERE HE BELONGS as a QB coach.

I wish the guy well. He's doing what he is good at doing and obviously enjoys.

As for Dan Snyder, thanks for wasting two years trying to make Zorn into something he's obviously not.

Posted by: Bob22003 | January 30, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

We will not squander Jim like the loathsome Synder did. Ravens AFC champs next year, bet on it.

Posted by: gatkinso1 | January 30, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Do the Ravens and Redskins play each other next year?

Posted by: clocker58 | January 30, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

so he's going to be the QB coach fo da Ravens yea because he waz such a great QB coach for Campbell as well LOL

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | January 30, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Gee Jim,

How is that off season work schedule going for the Skins? Oh thats right YOU WERE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!! Why didn't Seattle hire you for their Head coach? Maybe they know you don't have a clue? Thanks for the 2 years of LOSING FOOTBALL! Why don't you just go away and count your Danny Boy money

Posted by: mike1ad | January 30, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Gee Jim,

How is that off season work schedule going for the Skins? Oh thats right YOU WERE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!! Why didn't Seattle hire you for their Head coach? Maybe they know you don't have a clue? Thanks for the 2 years of LOSING FOOTBALL! Why don't you just go away and count your Danny Boy money

Posted by: mike1ad | January 30, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Gee Jim,

How is that off season work schedule going for the Skins? Oh thats right YOU WERE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!! Why didn't Seattle hire you for their Head coach? Maybe they know you don't have a clue? Thanks for the 2 years of LOSING FOOTBALL! Why don't you just go away and count your Danny Boy money

Posted by: mike1ad | January 30, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

***repost

Brandon Graham, OLB/DE, Michigan

"Graham has been rushing with his hand on the ground but he told me most teams talking to him see him as a weakside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. He rushed with a good combination of speed and power and, at 263 pounds, could be a strongside OLB. Some compare him to Steelers LB LaMarr Woodley, but when I asked him about the comparison he was clearly his own guy. He is a solid, fundamental player who takes the game very seriously."

Orakpo/Graham could be a Harrison/Woodley combo of OLBs in a 3-4 set. It's too bad we have so many needs and only 5 picks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 4:37 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

We will not squander Jim like the loathsome Synder did. Ravens AFC champs next year, bet on it.

Posted by: gatkinso1 | January 30, 2010 6:59 PM

Yea, with that old a$$ defense that gets more holes in it every year. Both the Bengals and Steelers beat you out next year and you're sittin' at home come playoff time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Sweet deal for the Ravens--they can pay Zorn the minimum possilble, let Dan Snyder cover the rest--and congratulations to Jim Zorn, a true class act from beginning to end--he will come back to haunt the Redskins someday...

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 30, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Tebow could make it as a long snapper because he has NO future as a position player.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

This is win-win for those who wanted Zorn to stick around for another year. Now the Redskins get to become a better franchise, but you can still watch all of the Z-Man's antics because he's still local! Huzzah!

Posted by: mmeixler | January 30, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"Do the Ravens and Redskins play each other next year?"


No.

But we do play the texans.

The texan offense and the ravens defense would make a Super Bowl team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens recognize a "class act" when they see one.

The best of luck to Jim Zorn!


Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | January 30, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts from the senior bowl...If we pass on Okung in the first, the T from UMass looked like a pretty solid second round pick. Cook, who played CB at Virginia but projects as a S in the NFL could be a good pickup too and would get us a playmaker at FS to get Laron back to SS. Not sold on that Iowa guard that was supposed to be a sure thing...seemed to be holding machine as someone else said. That kid from Michigan could be a great prospect for a 3-4 D, but we probably don't have the picks to get it done. Robinson or Lefeuve (sp?) could be solid 4th round picks for a grooming QB if they're there for the taking. Seems like LeBlunt or that RB from USC who almost killed himself in the weight room this year could help in our backfield too. Seems like this would be a great draft to trade back and trade some current players for picks, but it all depends on who's willing to do so. C'mon Reid and Co, let's get some analysis here instead of Zorn talk!

Posted by: DCinSD | January 30, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that the REDSKINS secure the rights to the RAVENS seventh round choice because they signed ZORN within one month of his termination in D.C.?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 30, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo/Graham could be a Harrison/Woodley combo of OLBs in a 3-4 set. It's too bad we have so many needs and only 5 picks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Trade down, trade personnel, trade talks. Get more picks. Yee-Haw good buddy

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Ravens fans told me all year how much of a moron this guy is so I love this. Let the Baltimoron back peddling begin.

Posted by: Mike4169 | January 30, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder if Tebow could make it as a long snapper because he has NO future as a position player."

Cross Tebow off the list.

Add LeFevour.

Add Ducasse.

Add Ford.

Add Iupati.

Add Tate/Blount.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"C'mon Reid and Co, let's get some analysis here instead of Zorn talk!"


Amen.

Let's end the Zorn talk, the guy is gone, and unless it's money or a woman, no one worries about where things go to when they're gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear. Good luck Jim Zorn hope you do well.

Posted by: notamullethead | January 30, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 7:46 PM

Yes to all. You may have to use that 2nd on LeFevor. Dude is bigger and faster than Tebow and is sctually a QB.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"C'mon Reid and Co, let's get some analysis here instead of Zorn talk!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 7:49 PM

I'd like Reid to come up here with a climate change post! Let's get it out in the open. Is he a denier or does he understand which way the wind blows, and how cold?

Posted by: League-Source | January 30, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Hit refresh for updated post.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | January 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

osted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2010 7:09 PM

Brandon Graham/Orakpo would be a combo. One thing I got from the Senior Bowl game is that if you a starting left tackle from day one, then these guys have to be your pick:

Okung
Davis
Campbell(maybe, I haven't seen him play)
Buluga
Davis
Williams (IMO better at RT, and would be an all pro center. I think Williams could be the most versatile OL-man)

Posted by: TWISI | January 30, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Z-man lives on. Good for him. Much to nice to be associated with Snyder and his ilk. Looking for breakthru year for Flacco next year.

Posted by: Fredneck2 | January 30, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

who cares where zorn is coaching he is not a good coach anyway but he is on a better team and organization with a real o-line and running game cleveland or seattle did not want him so hopefully the book on him here is CLOSED!

Posted by: wathu19 | January 30, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a class act, and Snyder was not worthy to have him as a coach. In fact, Snyder must go before the Redskins will recover.

Posted by: JohnRice | January 30, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

In fact, Snyder must go before the Redskins will recover.

I'll put you on my list of people to notify when that happens. Just leave an email address that'll work in 2047.

Posted by: daggar | January 30, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

12-20 is pretty awful. Also, coaching JC to the best numbers of his career is like giving a fat chick a great haircut. On the surface it looks better but when you get down to it she is still fat. JC may have been 'coached' to is his best season but we won 4 games.

Posted by: whydoIcare | January 30, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse


Well said...

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 30, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy for Zorn. He was put in a very tough position here in DC being a HC when he was never a OC or play caller before. He is a great QB coach. Flacco just got better with this move.

Posted by: redskinssince96 | January 30, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

It will be an adjustment for Zorn to coach a QB to throw from a standing position.

Posted by: ajlerner1 | January 30, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"Trade down, trade personnel, trade talks. Get more picks."

Get more picks is the best option listed here.

But how?

Moving Campbell would bring in a late 3rd/4th rounder.

Moving the '11 1st rounder would render a 2nd and 6th at the worst.

That's 3 picks in rounds 1 and 2.

You could wind up with a 3rd and 2 4th rounders.

That's 3 picks in rounds where underclassman who'd be top guys in '11 will be sitting for the picking.

Yes, these moves me you draft a q-back, but if it's LeFevour in the 2nd, that's all right.

You could flip one of the extra 2nd rounders with a mid 1st round team and take Okung at 4 and Iupati as a 10-15 pick.

There are all kinds of option availiable if you have extra picks, mnay more than what I see or have listed.

Thing is, when you're 4-12, anything creative you do to improve your team is better than what you've already done.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

"Ravens fans told me all year how much of a moron this guy is so I love this. Let the Baltimoron back peddling begin."

ya...he is a moron---as a HEAD COACH/OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR...he isn't doing anything but working with flacco now...huge difference...only ur team would hire this man to do more lol

Posted by: nattylite88 | January 30, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Work for $1 (or even less), yes!

Posted by: kenk3 | January 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Moe - Why would you burn next years picks? We're not gonna solve this puzzle in one year. Let's keep next year's picks for next year to complete the job we start this year.

If we need more picks this year, trade pack or trade Cooley, or Carlos, or Landry. Ohterwise, we'll just have to do the best we can with the picks we have.

A little patience will pay dividends next year.

Posted by: edvar | January 30, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"Rip Torn Charged With Breaking Into Conn. Bank"

SALISBURY, Conn. (AP) -- Actor Elmore ''Rip'' Torn has been charged with breaking into a Connecticut bank and carrying a loaded handgun while intoxicated.

So what's the crime here?

Carrying a gun while intoxicated or breaking into the bank?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

So what's the crime here?

Carrying a gun while intoxicated or breaking into the bank?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 9:01 PM |

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I think it was using a gun to try to rob a bank instead of a briefcase and expensive suit...

Posted by: edvar | January 30, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

"Why would you burn next year's pick?"


Because of this year's talent.

A lot of the underclassmen have declared for the draft fearing a rookie wage scale in '11.

So between rounds 2-4, there are going to be players who would otherwise be 1st and 2nd rounders.

I'd rather maximize the opportunity, and get next year's player this year.

And be a year ahead in terms of developing him for the future that I'm really not mortgaging.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Good for Zorn!!! I believe the reason Synder hired Zorn was to hammer in the fact that Gregg Williams would not get the job as head coach. Synder did not like Gregg who, as we know went on to the Saints. He knew that Zorn had no experience as a head coach; that was like rubbing salt into the wound. How's laughing now? GO ZORN, GO!!!

Posted by: skinfreak | January 30, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I can see you point. I just hate giving up first rounders for anything. This might be the one year that it makes sense, but I'd rather trade back to get extra first day picks.

Posted by: edvar | January 30, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

So what's the crime here?
Carrying a gun while intoxicated or breaking into the bank?

If you ask Rhino, the crime is that the bank doesn't have pizza either.

Why would you burn next year's pick?"
Because of this year's talent.

You can only make that trade with a team that thinks the rookie cap and 2011 lockout aren't going to happen. Unfortunately, the Pollyanna Polyannites don't have any picks this year or next.

Posted by: daggar | January 30, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Zorn will be a successful head coach somewhere long before the woeful Redskins are a contender.

Fail, do the Redskins
Fail constantly
Fans needing Prozac
A blight on old DC

Posted by: noybizz | January 30, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Noybizz - here's your hat, what's your hurry?

Posted by: edvar | January 30, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I wonder when the mildly autistic Flacco will move out of his parents house?

Posted by: kenk3 | January 30, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Good for Zorn.

Going from an asss organization to a class organization.

As someone else posted, hope the Ravens signed him for a buck and make Little Pee Pee Head pay the balance.

Posted by: mdpilot | January 30, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Edvar, keep the hat. It'll help you cover the point on your head.

Posted by: noybizz | January 30, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Good one...

Posted by: edvar | January 30, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe. Just maybe, the problem with the Redskins these two years wasn't the coach.

I guess we'll find out.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | January 30, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if Flacco becomes a top 5 QB then it wasn't the coaching.

I guess we'll find out.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 30, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Good for Zorn!
Let's hope he has the chance to have a game with Danny's foreskins!

Posted by: w2rgp | January 30, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm agreeing with Moe that this would be the one year I'd advocate trading future picks for current ones. Unfortunately, most other organizations know that this is a deep draft too. Maybe the Ridders? Only team that seems stupider than us on draft day... Problem with trading Carlos or Landry is that everyone else has tape on their double-move breakdowns and we probably can't get much for them.

On another note, anyone else feel a little nervous of Shanahan having total control over player personnel with some of his previous picks with Denver? Hopefully he learned from his mistakes (ie Clarrett), but most of these coaches have egos the size of Rhino's mama after breaking into a closed pizza parlor....

Posted by: DCinSD | January 30, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

With all the angst about destroying the earth, I really wonder why everyone blames the average people.

Every time that there is a problem, who comes up with a solution that seems to make matters worse?

Kudzu in the south. Carp taking over the great lakes. Plastic that doesn't seem to got away. Food that contains chemicals for longer shelf life. Pollution in the air. etc, etc, etc.

Ans: scientists were the ones who always came up with the solutions to all the above and given us the solutions to the problems and in most all cases it was environmental scientists who were in the forefront.

Just a thought from an old, middle class, retiree who looks at what all scientists say today with a jaundiced eye and wonder what my children are going to have to put up with and especially what it is going to cost them.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 30, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore has a front office to envy, the redskins have a tradition the Ravens will never have.

Raven's fans are a funny bunch...unless your under 14 or over 50, shut your mouth. You're team left in '83 and came back in '96.

Ravens fans are almost as bad as Cowboy and Eagle fans.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Great hire. Kudos to the Ravens front office. And I'm glad to see Zorn, a true gentleman, have a soft landing.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | January 30, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Joining late, but does this mean that the money owed to Zorn by the Redskins is now not obligated because he is being paid by the Ravens, or does he get the difference between his Ravens Salary and what is owed by the Skins.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 30, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

J Reid. Why report this crap? It aint Redskins news. Mark Maske did it on his blog. Why don't you report something new? You got nothing else, huh? Poor guy.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 30, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of QB coaches, Tim Tebow could sure use one. He dropped the ball twice in the Senior Bowl. You could see the pass rushers salivating. He completed 8 but all were short and most wobbled a little. His strength in college -- taking off up the middle -- was nowhere in sight, probably the coaches' protecting the kid from injury.

Nothing wrong with his arm strength, so if he can correct that dip in his throwing motion and learn to take a snap under center, he should be ready for a legit shot at a QB job in, say, another year or two.

I mean, Eric Crouch was drafted, wasn't he? And he insisted all along that he would play QB and nothing else, like Tebow.

How'd Eric do in the NFL?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 30, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"Problem with trading Carlos or Landry is that everyone else has tape on their double-move breakdowns and we probably can't get much for them."



No one wants those guys, trust me.

Campbell threw for 3,600 yards behind a bad line, so any assessment of him would have to take 43 sacks and unnumered pressures into account.

Somebody might look at tape of Campbell and think,"Hey, this guy could throw for 4,000 yards with blocking and a running game. Let's negotiate a decent trade with Allen."

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts exactly, Moe. I'm one of the few that think JC would be fine as a stop-gap for a couple of seasons to groom a future QB, but if someone's willing to give us a 2nd, or even a 3rd for him, you have to figure it would make sense to trade him and pick up a veteran a-la Grossman, Garcia, etc to take the hits behind a young o-line until the new guy is groomed up.

Anyone know when the CBA officially expires, btw? I know there's almost no chance that a new deal comes into place, but if it magically does, all this talk of potentially keeping Campbell and 'Los is a mute point.

Posted by: DCinSD | January 30, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 10:26 PM

True.

CR and LL have very little trade value.

JC on the other hand may get a pass in some GMs minds and best case scenario could net a late 2 - 3rd round pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Ballmor Hon!!
As for the Deadskins, they will always be the Deadskins north of Rt 50.

Posted by: tomniederberger | January 30, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Good luck to Coach Zorn and I wish him the best. Skins issue was and still is bigger than coach Z. Skins’ issues are structural in nature and they start with its owner. Till wonder-boy Danny matures and lets grownups do real team-building, issues will remain.

Posted by: JHigginss | January 30, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

getitritegov wrote: "J Reid. Why report this crap? It aint Redskins news. Mark Maske did it on his blog. Why don't you report something new? You got nothing else, huh? Poor guy."

Well, Zorn was the biggest story to come out of the Redskins this year, that's one thing. Two, it's always local news when a local coach gets hired somewhere else. You don't think the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette will cover the story if Bill Cowher signs on somewhere else? Three, the Washington Post is to some extent a national newspaper, and there's a lot of interest in Zorn's fate out there.

And four, you wouldn't be a Republican and a racist by any chance?

Posted by: douglaslbarber | January 30, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"Ravens fans are almost as bad as Cowboy and Eagle fans."

They really are, my entire office are Ravens fans.

Say one bad thing about them and you are evil. :P

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 30, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Good for Zorn. He will work with a QB that has a huge upside, unlike Clownble here in Washington.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | January 30, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Is this Redskins Insider or Ravens Insider? Looks like every Ravens fan in the DMV turned out to crow about snagging the coach that the Redskins fired. Nothing like grabbing a proven loser for Balmer, eh?

Posted by: League-Source | January 30, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the question about Zorns contractual situation. Schemed quickly through and did not realize that the Mayor had already addressed the contract obligations of the Redskins.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 30, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Joe Flacco was my backup QB for Phillip Rivers in my FFL this year.

Did good with both. Hope Zorn dosen't screw Flacco around.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 30, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

"Ravens fans are almost as bad as Cowboy and Eagle fans."

They really are, my entire office are Ravens fans.

Say one bad thing about them and you are evil. :P

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 30, 2010 10:50 PM |

Don't forget the Stillers

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

No one wants those guys, trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2010 10:26 PM

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No I don't trust you and I beg to differ.

LL has a huge upside, despite any misgivings teams may have regarding the suspect coverage skills he's been betrayed by.

LL's deficiencies are coachable, correctable, and remember...

He was miscast in Blache's defense.

I betcha any number of defensive coordinators would LOVE to have him, including those in Dallas, NY, and Philly, or any other team that prizes physical play.

and as far as JC and Jim Zorn are concerned...

I'd like to remind all the Zorn detractors that JC improved under his tutelage.

Not a big stats guy, but I'm certain the numbers on JC the past two seasons under Zorn will demonstrate, at the very least, that Zorn is good with QB's.

and he improved JC in spite of the horrendous OL, an anemic running game, and an immature receiving corp.

Alas, Zorn is back where he belongs, as a quarterbacks coach, and I wish him nothing but the best.

Joe Flacco is lucky to have him...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 30, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

How did Al Saunders go from being an offensive genius and potential head coach material to losing out to a position coach job?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | January 30, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

"I've got to earn the right to speak into his life, to speak into his game, after I just see what's there."

Just when we thought we were safe from Jim Zorn's dumbazz quotes... Stay medium Flacco!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 30, 2010 11:43 PM

Who wouldn't want them. But what would some other team pay? Not a 2nd, maybe a 3rd for LL and maybe a 4th for CR.

First round picks bust all the time and these two guys are well on their way.

Here’s what I posted about LL months ago...

re: Laron Landry.

I watched this kid dominate college football as a SS. He was a sideline to sideline guy playing in the box and wreaking havoc on the QB and anyone within 10 yards of the line. This is why he was drafted with the 6th pick, ahead of guys like AP.

I don't condone his behavior but he's not use to failure. He is playing in a position that doesn’t play to his strengths. He was the best blitzing SS in college and in his first year the skins bar none. He can and will be a pro bowler at strong safety. This is more of an indictment of Blache’s scheme and coaching mentality than Landry. Say what you will about his performance on a poorly coached team, but I will only say that his talents have been wasted since the tragedy of 21.

RIP 21
F Blache

I don’t root against any Redskin, I just like to keep it real.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

whateves

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 30, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

@redskinhead

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 30, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

so... Diesel

sounds like we need to find another free safety to tandem with LL?

I say he's worth more to us than trading for a 4th rounder.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 30, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we draft Tebow in the fourth round and convert him to a water boy? He sure as heck is not going to be a good quarterback in the NFL.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

How did Al Saunders go from being an offensive genius and potential head coach material to losing out to a position coach job?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | January 30, 2010 11:51 PM |

Money.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 31, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

so... Diesel

sounds like we need to find another free safety to tandem with LL?

I say he's worth more to us than trading for a 4th rounder.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 30, 2010 11:59 PM

Agreed. Guys like JC, CR, & LL almost deserve a free pass considering the coaching. You keep all three, draft or get a Free agent FS, and I guarantee all three improve in 2010.

I’ll call it now…LL will be a pro bowler next year if played at SS all year. Book It.

Cut ARE as soon as contractually possible.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I will give LL a pass due to coaching. But is seems that 21 was able to player center fielder and cover up LL's shortcomings as a cover man. If we get someone who is close to 21's cover ability then I will agree that LL becomes much better. I guess that we just have to wait and see.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 31, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Tebow is going to be in an anti abortion ad on super bowl Sunday.

I guess D coordinators know that if Tebow has the option next year he’s going to keep it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

How did Al Saunders go from being an offensive genius and potential head coach material to losing out to a position coach job?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | January 30, 2010 11:51 PM |

It was reported that Nolan was let go by McD in Denver because of clashes on how to run the team.

It is possible that that Al Saunders comes across as the same. That, along with the fact that Zorn could be cheaper, due to his contract with Danny Boy probably went a long way to his not being hired as a position coach.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 31, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

I will give LL a pass due to coaching. But is seems that 21 was able to player center fielder and cover up LL's shortcomings as a cover man. If we get someone who is close to 21's cover ability then I will agree that LL becomes much better. I guess that we just have to wait and see.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 31, 2010 12:23 AM

Problem is 21 ain't walking through that door. 21 would have set the mold for HOF safeties.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

*WoWie*

I certainly wasn't impressed with that 'all white' snow yesterday...

Posted by: Vicc | January 31, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations Zorn.

I guess I'll never understand how you didn't get a pass here in Washington; I mean how were you supposed to win with our putrid O-line. I would've liked to see what Zorn could do if he were actually given a playoff roster.

Posted by: Vicc | January 31, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Problem is 21 ain't walking through that door. 21 would have set the mold for HOF safeties.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2010 12:29 AM |

I agree 100%. But the question was about LL and without 21, LL only seems to want/can make the big hit sometimes. But his position as a Safety requires that he cover sometimes and I just don't see it yet. Agree, if 21 still here then we have 1 Pro-bowler and a possible 1st alternate pro-bowler.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 31, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

I also remember the Gints game 2 years ago (?) when the human tank ran over him. Not sure he has gotten over that.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 31, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 31, 2010 12:48 AM

21 would have made me a pro bowler. Don't sleep on LL's ability in a 10 yard box. A decent GM with a quality scheme and an above average FS could and will put LL in a place to dominate.

Granted quality FS don’t grow on trees. The next Ed Reed is available but he may or may not be available with the 4th overall pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I also remember the Gints game 2 years ago (?) when the human tank ran over him. Not sure he has gotten over that.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 31, 2010 12:54 AM

True, but Fletch blew up the tank this year and Jacobs is done. He ran like a Vag all season. His career is over.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Wow. I agree again. I think that means it's time for me to go to bed before I get some rant going.

Have a good night and yes the snow is something. Especially here in Tenn. Watching all these southerners trying to navigate in it is something for a traffic school. What not to do. LOL

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 31, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 31, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

I AM GLAD FOR ZORN. HE WAS A CLASS ACT NOT LIKE MOST OF THE BLOGGERS HERE. MAY YOU ZORN HATERS EAT CRAP. I HOPE HE DOES WELL AND YOU IMMATURE IDIOTS WHO ARE KIDS LEARN TO SPELL. YOU ARE UNEDUCATED, IGNORANT MORONS WHO ARE NO DIFFERENT FORM COWBOY FANS. YOU SUPPOSED FANS ARE MORONS...

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 31, 2010 3:26 AM | Report abuse

as the saying goes, you can't fire the owner, so the axe fell on Zorn today. He was classy for the duration, never stooping to the level of Snyder and Cerrato and never complaining. That being said, nobody in D.C. will be very sad to see him go. Jim Zorn was never the right fit for the Washington Redskins. Nobody ever is. The excitement will be high when it's likely announced in a few hours or days that Mike Shanahan will be the next head coach of the team, but all that means is that he's just signed up to be Dan Snyder's next ex.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 31, 2010 3:37 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, talking about Zorn is like wondering what went wrong with some high school love affair.

It just wasn't meant to be. Honestly, neither of us was really "ready" to make it work. Chalk it up to a learning experience.

But, really. Who'd she end up with? I mean, he was an OK guy, but it's not like he offered her what you did, you know?

I mean, she was REALLY into you, especially in the beginning when everything was great.

Or so it seemed.

But, anyway. Now we've gone our separate ways. She can have her little facebook photo albums with her husband and kids, but deep down, we know...

Nobody makes her feel like we did. Nobody offered her as much, ever again.

Now leave it alone.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 31, 2010 5:54 AM | Report abuse

YOU IMMATURE IDIOTS WHO ARE KIDS LEARN TO SPELL. YOU ARE UNEDUCATED, IGNORANT MORONS WHO ARE NO DIFFERENT FORM COWBOY FANS.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 31, 2010 3:26 AM

Posted after too much schnaps last night, did you? That's okay. This is Redskins Insider and we don't have many rules, but next time you are preaching "LEARN TO SPELL" you might want to check your own work more carefully or people might think you are a MORON.

Posted by: League-Source | January 31, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

ALL YOU GUYS ARE DI*KHEADS! Zorn is a stand up guy and a class act.He has every right to mess up Flacco's career, and the right to spew non-sense quotes with no subject/verb agreement. Whatever makes Zorn and his domestic partner Kurt Shanaman happy, I'm all for it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 31, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

"I'm one of the few that think JC would be fine as a stop-gap for a couple of seasons to groom a future QB"

I'm not at all sure that Jason would want to stay in Washington if there's any real alternative. He's had a rough time here and if he's going to make another new start, might as well make it somewhere else.

As for the Shanahans, Elder seems to prefer a playmaker-type (Elway, Jake Plummer, Cutler) while the younger version is accustomed to a game manager like Matt Schaub. The QB coach is a kid so we know who'll really be in charge when it's draft time.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

"LL has a huge upside, despite any misgivings teams may have regarding the suspect coverage skills he's been betrayed by."


NFL teams like and die by what they see on tape.

Trust me.

There's a ton of tape of L Landry missing tackles because he's trying to make a highlight hit, or his being used by 'double-moves' or suckered into covering the guy in the zone before him while a receiver breaks free behind him.

Re-watch the saints', bronocs', and raiders' games, and you get Mr. Landry at his best playing close to the line and at his worst in open space.

An NFL first rounder in his third year at safety is supposed to be better than that.

And NFL people know that, trust me.

And what Landry is, is a strong safety--a position where guys are a dime a dozen as colleges crank them out on the regular.

And NFL people know that, trust me.

Between R Doughty, C Horton, and L Landry, the 1st two are better natural players at safety.

C Rogers just might be an decent free safety, and should be moved in the way the cards moved A Rolle when he had his troubles.

And L Landry is just plain over-rated at free safety, but decent at strong.

He's a flawed but decent player who wasn't worth the high pick spent on him.

And that's a safe thing to say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I am cool w/ Zorn finding a new gig. A great guy w/ strong character/faith...not in question! The Baltimore Browns/Colts/Ravens fans will "spin" it as an "incredible hire!" However, Zorn comes from a "west coast" pedigree and unless the Baltimore Browns/Colts/Ravens decide to overhaul their entire offensive schemes to lean towards Zorn's "West Coast" mentality, Flacco might actually regress. The last time I checked...they are clearly a "run-first" offense that tries to open up the passing game with runs..."West Coast" offenses are the complete opposite...the pass "sets up" the run.

Posted by: Hail2-2k9 | January 31, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not at all sure that Jason would want to stay in Washington if there's any real alternative."

He's a RFA, so what choices does he have?

The skins hold the cards, and if they decide to pull his via a trade, all parties would benefit.

Campbell threw for 3,600 yards behind a porous line with developing receivers and no true running game.

Some look at him and see faults, but in another city, others may look at him as a veteren starter with possibilities.

And that's a selling point for improving the line and keeping him or trading him away for a pick.

Again: whatever we do with Campbell, all sides involved win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

There's a ton of tape of L Landry missing tackles because he's trying to make a highlight hit, or his being used by 'double-moves' or suckered into covering the guy in the zone before him while a receiver breaks free behind him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2010 8:30 AM

I trust you, MistaMoe. There's also a lot of highlight reel tape on the guy, trust me. And there are coaches -- Shanahan is said to be one -- who only look at the highlights. They think they can coach a guy to play like his highlights on every play.

I agree he wasn't worth the pick. He's played like a third rounder. But with a new coaching staff, maybe they can coach him up to his highlights, not down to his lowlights. Blache, et al, have certainly not put him in a position to succeed, plus his own sorry attitude hasn't done him any good.

Posted by: League-Source | January 31, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"Cops: Tennessee women solicited cigarettes in exchange for liaison"

JANUARY 28--Two Tennessee women who accused a man of rape have admitted to cops that they had consensually agreed to sex with him in exchange for a pack of cigarettes. One woman told investigators that the duo filed a phony police report because they "didn't enjoy the sex," according to cops.

Didn't enjoy the sex?

I guess they thought it wasn't 'KOOL'.

Perhaps the oral sex lacked that menthol flavor the two joe camel looking women wanted to puff on.

Maybe 'Winston' told them he'd take them to "Newport," but they wound up in "Marlboro" country.

I guess theirs was a stripe that wasn't so "Lucky" after all as jail time now awaits to put both women in the box.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

L-Source

"Blache, et al, have certainly not put him in a position to succeed, plus his own sorry attitude hasn't done him any good."


Blatche like Grilliams isn't inclined to put guys into position to make plays.

Their essential defensive philosophy is for guys to 'play the scheme' and not to freelance.

That's why Grilliams battled with Lavar, and this past season Blatche with Haynesworth.

It makes no sense to bring in 'star' type players, then demand that they play within a no-name system.

Hopefully, J Haslett will think outside the box and put guys into position to make plays: and if that happens, we will see the true value of Landry.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

.....who was holding the smoking gun?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 31, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

should we have a PARLIMENTary style hearing on those two?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 31, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

getitritegov wrote: "J Reid. Why report this crap? It aint Redskins news. Mark Maske did it on his blog. Why don't you report something new? You got nothing else, huh? Poor guy."

Well, Zorn was the biggest story to come out of the Redskins this year, that's one thing. Two, it's always local news when a local coach gets hired somewhere else. You don't think the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette will cover the story if Bill Cowher signs on somewhere else? Three, the Washington Post is to some extent a national newspaper, and there's a lot of interest in Zorn's fate out there.

And four, you wouldn't be a Republican and a racist by any chance?

Posted by: douglaslbarber | January 30, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

1. Zorn was a flop, a failure, not capable of being a head coach, a high school coach maybe. The "biggest story" - nonsense. His firing was anticipated for months before season's end. Vinnie Cerrato's resignation was the biggest story by far totally unexpected.

2. "Bill Cowher". You got the audacity and the stupidity to equate Cowher with Zorn. Cowher beloved in Pittsburgh. Right, Zorn was just as beloved in DC. You moron.

3. The Post is to "some extent a national newspaper" and there is "a lot of interest in Zorn out there. People who read the Post in other sections of the country are reading the Post for politics within the Beltway and not for the disposition of Jim Zorn. Right so I'm sitting at my breakfast table in San Diego and I tell my wife "excuse me honey I'm going to our computer and find out what happened to Jim Zorn. Did he get a job, honey, I'm really curious. My God, what in the world are you talking about?

4. And, by the way, numbskull, Jim Zorn is a staunch Republican and why would you ask me if I'm a Republican. Oh, I get it, because J Reid is black and I'm picking on the black guy for having nothing to report. Do you watch him on WPL or read his columns? He rehashes everything already covered. He's incompetent. You clown you.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 31, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

getitritegov you should have just explained how you have no life and left it at that.

Posted by: mack1 | January 31, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

JANUARY 28--Two Tennessee women who accused a man of rape have admitted to cops that they had consensually agreed to sex with him in exchange for a pack of cigarettes. One woman told investigators that the duo filed a phony police report because they "didn't enjoy the sex," according to cops.

Sounds like the charges might have been withouth MERIT.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 31, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations Zorn.

I guess I'll never understand how you didn't get a pass here in Washington; I mean how were you supposed to win with our putrid O-line. I would've liked to see what Zorn could do if he were actually given a playoff roster.

Posted by: Vicc | January 31, 2010 12:42 AM
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Not to put too fine a point on this -- or maybe to do just that -- but wasn't Zorn handed a playoff roster when he became HC. The Skins had been to the playoffs at the end of the 2007 season. So technically speaking......

Posted by: Xlnt | January 31, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

YOU IMMATURE IDIOTS WHO ARE KIDS LEARN TO SPELL. YOU ARE UNEDUCATED, IGNORANT MORONS WHO ARE NO DIFFERENT FORM COWBOY FANS.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 31, 2010 3:26 AM

Posted after too much schnaps last night, did you? That's okay. This is Redskins Insider and we don't have many rules, but next time you are preaching "LEARN TO SPELL" you might want to check your own work more carefully or people might think you are a MORON.

Posted by: League-Source | January 31, 2010 7:19 AM
___________________

Looks like somebody's spell-checker doesn't have "schnapps" in it.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 31, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

A good man deserves a good organization, good
luck Jim, I wish you well; at last, you are now free from the wrath of ungrateful owner and fans!

Posted by: abxinc | January 31, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Are these people Redskins Fans or Jim Zorn Slob Knobbers??

Seesh...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

me not so zorny no more

me shanny now

me move on

so should you

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 31, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Vinny and Danny made a huge mistake 2 years ago, they hired a staff and then tired to find a head coach for the team

A$$ backwards way of doing things

we all hated Jim Fassel when his named was mentioned, but he would have been a huge improvement over what we ended up with

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 31, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

ASLO....What QB has Jim ZOrn helped? Hasselback's?? I call B.S. on that! He was brought in by his exsisting HC Holgrem and Hassalback is a 2nd generation NFL player. So his awareness level is just that much higher than a 1st generational NFLer.

Who exactly has Zorn helped in his QB coach roll?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

we all hated Jim Fassel when his named was mentioned, but he would have been a huge improvement over what we ended up with

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 31, 2010 11:57 AM

I agree....I think Vinny would've hired him anyway...But Danny saw the backlash of the Fassel choice and prob told Vinny ditch him at the last minute....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

ASLO....What QB has Jim ZOrn helped? Hasselback's?? I call B.S. on that! He was brought in by his exsisting HC Holgrem and Hassalback is a 2nd generation NFL player. So his awareness level is just that much higher than a 1st generational NFLer.

Who exactly has Zorn helped in his QB coach roll?

Posted by: 4thFloor


Couldn't agree more, homie.

Hasselbeck's "beastliness" came from Holmgren and watching Favre for a few seasons. Look at Aaron Rodgers for an example.

And "beastliness" is sort of an overstatement. I think Hasselbeck was an okay QB, never great, never top tier.

The never ending bleeding hearts circle: Rock Cartwright, Jim Zorn, and Shaun Suisham.

The elements still doesn't excuse Zorn's decison making. Really can't understand why that's so damn hard to figure out.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 31, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

C Rogers just might be an decent free safety, and should be moved in the way the cards moved A Rolle when he had his troubles.

Posted by: MistaMoe


I don't understand this line of thinking.

Landry = Double move bait taking bama
Rogers = Double move bait taking bama

Why would you want more of the same at free safety?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 31, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 31, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Quarterback Dan LeFevor from little Central Michigan certainly bolstered his name recognition this week with a solid week of practice and a great game that earned him an outstanding player award. He led the North quarterbacks going 5-10 for 97 yards and one great over the shoulder bomb for a touchdown. His stock went up greatly.
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Sounds like he will not be there in thr 4th round

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 31, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's an undeserving clown that simply doesn't get it. The best part is he's NOT a Redskins player.

McKinnie kicked off pro bowl roster:

Diehl is the professional in this scenario, and he's now the one who will be playing more, and possibly subjecting himself to injury. McKinnie needs to figure it out -- and fast. The Pro Bowl may be a joke to him (and many others), but leaving your fellow football players in the lurch is hardly humor fodder.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 31, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

According to MSNBC

Senior Bowl Winners
Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
Geno Atkins, DT, Georgia
Jeff Owens, DT, Georgia
LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
Dexter McCluster, RB, Mississippi
Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel
Mardy Gilyard, WR/KR, Cincinnati

Senior Bowl Losers
Sean Canfield, QB, Oregon State
Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama
Ciron Black, T, LSU

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 31, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

CBS Sports Sr. Bowl winners

WR Jeremy Williams, Tulane
DT Dan Williams, Tennessee
OLB Dekoda Watson, Florida State
WR Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati
DT Geno Atkins, Georgia
DE Brandon Graham, Michigan
LB Koa Misi, Utah
RB LeGarrette Blount, Oregon

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 31, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

i read somewhere that the Redskins were quietly talking to Misi, and hopeful of his dropping to the 4th round

might not happen now

also, didnt McCluster have a couple of fumbles ?

Posted by: shally | January 31, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"Sounds like he will not be there in thr 4th round
Posted by: noonefromtampa"

Dan LeFevour is a very solid prospect who's probably underrated because he stands about 6'2". He's a legit threat to run as well as an accurate passer. Those throws to Gilyard were nifty.

I'd be surprised if he lasts til the 4th round, too.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Since 50-70% of the players drafted in Round One will be underclassmen, what we saw in the Senior Bowl was mostly second through seventh rounders.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Dan LeFevour is a very solid prospect who's probably underrated because he stands about 6'2". He's a legit threat to run as well as an accurate passer. Those throws to Gilyard were nifty."

The deep balls he completed to guys he'd practiced with just this week tell me he's accurate in the 30-40 yard range.

That's better than what we got now.

I'd take LeFevour in round 2 after Iupati/Okung in round 1.

I like B Tate/L Blount, too.

But we'll need more picks, a 3rd rounder would be nice.

And with that in mind, who still thinks Vinny's decision to snag Jarmon made sense seeing how the situation now dictates a need for linemen and a running back?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

C Rogers just might be an decent free safety, and should be moved in the way the cards moved A Rolle when he had his troubles.

Posted by: MistaMoe

I don't understand this line of thinking.

Landry = Double move bait taking bama
Rogers = Double move bait taking bama

Why would you want more of the same at free safety?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 31, 2010 1:35 PM
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Before last season, when did you ever hear the double move was a problem for Rogers and Landry? I think it had something to do with how they were asked to play. I don't believe for a second they will be burned by double moves for the rest of their career. If they are, then some coaches need to be fired...

BTW, I like the idea of moving Rogers to free safety. He's faster than any of the safeties outside of Landry and he knows how to cover. Plus it will move him out of a position that Barnes or Tryon can battle for.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The Jarmon pick makes sense if we stay 4-3 scheme, little sense if we goto a 3-4 defense

a front of

Jarmon - Golston - Haynesworth - Carter

would generate a pretty nice pass rush and be pretty decent on the run too

Jarmon will really need to bulk up to play DE in a 3-4

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 31, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Iupati looked like a 4th round talent in the Senior Bowl. The little center/guard from USC looks to be a better fit for Shanny's zone block scheme.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 31, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see Jim Zorn, a standup guy get another opportunity to perform duties closer to his strengths.

A micromanager at its best during the regular season games, however he should help Flacco develop more in the offseason camps, ota's.

Posted by: mastdark81 | February 1, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

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