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Zorn says he thinks he'll 'go right back' to Campbell

Washington Redskins Ccoach Jim Zorn said Tuesday that he would almost certainly return to Jason Campbell as the starting quarterback for Monday night's game against the Philadelphia Eagles, the first game in which Zorn will relinquish his play-calling duties to offensive consultant Sherman Lewis.

Zorn, speaking on his weekly appearance on ESPN-980, reiterated that he pulled Campbell at halftime of Sunday's loss to the Kansas City Chiefs -- replacing him with 15-year veteran Todd Collins for the first time in Zorn's 22-game tenure as Washington's coach -- in order to create a spark. But after viewing the game film multiple times -- and considering Collins's 6-for-14 performance wasn't enough to win the game -- Zorn said he remains confident in Campbell.

"I think what I'm gonna do is go right back to Jason Campbell," Zorn said. "I needed to take him out, and I think we had some things there that he knew he missed without being under duress. [ellipsis] I made the decision but I didn't give up on the young man. I didn't give up on the QB. So that's where I think I'm gonna head as all is said and done here."

Campbell completed 9 of 16 passes in the first half against Kansas City, and the Redskins failed to score in those two periods against one of the NFL's worst defenses. Both Zorn and Campbell acknowledged that Campbell missed several open receivers, including Santana Moss on a deep seam route that might have gone for a touchdown.
Still, through six games, Campbell's passer rating is 84.3, which ranks 19th in the league and exactly matches his rating from last year, when he set a career high. He is completing 65.6 percent of his passes -- also a career high -- and has thrown six touchdowns and six interceptions.

Collins, 37, started three games when Campbell was injured at the end of the 2007 season -- all victories, all part of a Washington run to the playoffs. But those are Collins's only three starts since 1997. Though Collins entered the league a decade before Campbell did, Campbell actually has more career completions (782) than Collins has attempts (665).

By Barry Svrluga  |  October 20, 2009; 12:39 PM ET
 
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Given that Todd Collins doesn't have the mobility to survive the season behind that line, Jason is the only option. Question, how are plays going to be relayed to the QB in time if they go through Zorn from Lewis to JC?

Posted by: BC1963 | October 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. This is just like shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic. But in this case, the chairs can't protect the quarterback. And we're ALL going down with this ship.

Posted by: rucks35 | October 20, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

makes no difference who's back there.

Posted by: unojklhh1 | October 20, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeaaaah!
(oh, wait, nevermind)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Good call, coach. Imagine what Snyder and certain fans would be saying about if Snyderatto had pulled the trigger on a draft day trade--you'd be stuck with Mark Sanchez!

Sanchez is tied with Carolina's Jake Delhomme for the league lead in interceptions with 10, and his 56.7 quarterback rating is higher than only Oakland's JaMarcus Russell and Cleveland's Derek Anderson.

Imagine him behind OUR decrepit O-line! You, sir, were set up to fail.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Neither QB is really that great an option. Maybe put Todd Collins in at left tackle since he won't be used as the QB. I think he can at least get in the way more efficiently than Heyer.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, I had a vision of you screaming that à la Howard Dean...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

They won't be. Lewis will provide "eyes". Unless Vinny the Knife is sitting right next to him (possible) he will likely turn the play calling over to Zorn ex-officio. He has to know this won't work.

And if it doesn't work ... and the players see that ... they will likely quit. Why risk injury for these bunch of bozos? They won't care how much they are paid. They were hired to be professional football players playing for a pro-level professionally run franchise. They weren't hired to be in a circus.

And so the defense will surely quit and a major blow out will ensue. And the fan explosion heard in Washington will rival Hiroshima.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

In honor of today's NFL player trade deadline, Redskin Insider is pleased to offer a special Talent Evaluator math quiz.

Problem #1 - It's NFL trade deadline time and the Tennessee Titans contact the only team that is worse off than they are to inquire about the availability of Washington's starting quarterback.

Vinny C sez, "Hell yeah, JC's available, and we would be damn pleased to be rid of him. The only thing we need from you is some fair market value , because we’ve already have wasted millions on the misguided hope that we could turn this hopeless excuse into a pro quarterback. Although I doubt it, perhaps you might have better luck with him."

The Titans rep thinks for a moment then remembers that the local Piggly Wiggly has pumpkins on sale for 39 cents a pound. He offers Vinny 10 pounds worth of pumpkins.

Q - If you're Vinny, do you take the deal? (Hint: Dan loves pumpkin pie)

PROBLEM # 2 - The Titans also ask about the availability of Washington's starting running back, while suggesting that there's also a sale on rotten bananas at the Piggly Wiggly -- with 10 pounds of bananas going for a buck.

Vinny knows that CP weighs about 220 pounds.

Q – Does Vinny trade Clinton straight up for his weight in bad bananas? (Hint: Dan also likes banana nut bread)


PS -- I'm willing to bet $25.90 that Vinny takes both deals -- that is, if Tennessee also agrees to take the Redskins first three draft picks for each of the next four seasons.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

No huddle shotgun formation, if no one is open run. F everybody JC!!!

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

LOL.... or! They can deploy a two QB set. Using one as a decoy/tackling dummy for defensive ends.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Like going over Niagara Falls wearing galoshes.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 20, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

F everybody indeed!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. This is just like shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic. But in this case, the chairs can't protect the quarterback. And we're ALL going down with this ship.

Posted by: rucks35 | October 20, 2009 12:43 PM

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ENOUGH ALREADY!

Future references to the ill fated voyage of the RMS Titanic are verboten! We've simply grown tired of this.

But first, this side note:

The ship had a total lifeboat capacity of 1,178 people, although her capacity was 3,547. A disproportionate number of men died due to the women-and-children-first protocol that was followed.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should suit up and start. Then he can audible his own plays.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is tied with Carolina's Jake Delhomme for the league lead in interceptions with 10, and his 56.7 quarterback rating is higher than only Oakland's JaMarcus Russell and Cleveland's Derek Anderson.

Sanchez is about average as rookie QBs go. It will take 3 years. I think going after David Carr Eli's backup might make sense. If and only if they fix this franchise up with a real GM, a real coach without ownership meddling. Accountability is one thing. Yeah you can fire them, preferably after the season. But if you keep doing that you won't get anywhere ever. But you don't tell them how to do their job when you have absolutely no clue.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Best case scenario OL 2009-2010

RT- Richard Heene
RG- Mayumi Heene
C- Falcon Heene
LG- The deflated balloon-craft
LT- Sheriff Mayerden

Posted by: ElYeah | October 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

It too is an ill-fated Yeaaaah!

(Dusting off Howard Dean for Prez button)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Good move Zorn! Very decisive, you're in charge here. Now, back to watching my Chia pet grow.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The pigeons suck too!!! they're oline not much better. we got a shot on mnf, F philly!

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis prefers Collins.

Given that there's a 99 percent chance Zorn will be gone in two weeks, I expect JC will be back on the bench soon.

What a circus.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | October 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

good call. season is down the pan anyway, so nothing to be gained from Toddball, let's see what JC can do. anything he can do now either gives us a clue as to whether we need a new QB, or ups his trade value (from zero). we've got some stiff competition for the worst OLine in the league, but I think we could take the cake...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | October 20, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

This may be the worst starting OL at least since the fifties. At least they are young and should be able to manage 16 games. ~smiles~ 16 games of misery for Redskins fans because their best guys are slightly below average right now. And there are only two.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should suit up and start. Then he can audible his own plays.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 20, 2009 12:51 PM

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Post of the year.

Everyone can stop posting comments now.

Thank You.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow wapo got scooped by two ESPN outlets on one story. Awesome, LOL.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis prefers Collins.

Given that there's a 99 percent chance Zorn will be gone in two weeks, I expect JC will be back on the bench soon.

What a circus.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | October 20, 2009 12:52 PM

Where are you getting your information from? Below you'll an excerpt from PFT indicating that JC is Sherm's pick.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/20/jason-campbell-keeps-his-job-for-now/

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Jason Campbell keeps his job, for now
Posted by Mike Florio on October 20, 2009 7:03 AM ET

And while Zorn said the decision would be his, Mort suggested that new play-caller Sherm Lewis preferred Campbell.

Posted by: TWISI | October 20, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Ok, thanks for the news. Next topic.

If the offense can't score points, and the defense can't score any points by themselves alone, the only other way this team can score points is with special teams. Common sense tells me Rock isn't going to score a TD and neither will ARE. I think they SERIOUSLY need to give Aldridge or Hall or Moss or Thomas a shot at returning kicks FULL TIME. Right now, its another "avenue" to scoring points. I know Moss had one last game, but that was ONCE. Given how inept this offense is, they gotta look at getting points any way they can get them.

(And no, I'm not just saying that after watching last nights game).

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | October 20, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I expect 10 points, and at least 3 delay of games after we have burned through all of our timeouts thanks to the new relay of lewis to zorn to JC. If I were zorn, I'd call what I want to call and forget what lewis says, that'd be funny.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Every decision is Zorn's and will stand as if written in granite.

Until, of course, it conflicts with what Sherm, Vinny, Jerry, or Greg prefer.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

if anyone is looking for a great place for Italian food in Boston, La Famiglia Giorgio, in the North End....wow....get the fried calamari...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

saltine, agreed on the player, disagree on the means of aquiring him, I believe he's a free agent after this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:38 PM

thought about that too, but the FA class next year is lackluster compared to years past. im not sure if he's a ufa or rfa.
also, I'd only want the trade if he agreed to sign long-term before the deal. of course i understand that may not be in his best interest considering he may get more out on the open market, but it's worth a shot.
I'd like to see the fo make a play atleast so we know they're trying.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 20, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Neither Campbell nor Collins is the franchise QB of the future, so let's try both of them and stay with the hot hand. I'd start Collins and give him a half. If he's productive, stay with him. If not, bring in Campbell. It's about winning games. Not placating the egos of grown men who get paid to lead an offense, score points and WIN FOOTBALL GAMES!

I've personally seen more than enough of Campbell since his first start in 2006 and remain greatly underimpressed - no decision making ability, no reads or progresions - stares down primary receiver, long windup with a slow release. He's good for maybe one or two productive series per game at best. The results speak for themselves since 2006. This isn't the JV league where we're developing talent - this is a 5 year vet that should be showing a WHOLE lot more than what we've seen throughout 3 seasons.

Collins was the one who reeled off 4 straight victories after Campbell got hurt during the Bears game in 2007 and led us to the playoffs. At least give Collins a legitimate chance. It's not like our point production can fall off but so much more.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 20, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN...LOSER

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | October 20, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

I'm marginally employed.

Does the Washington Post have any job openings in the Sports Department?

I hate D.C, but would consider moving back that way for the right compensation package.

Really, what I need most is health insurance.

My girlfriend is expecting somewhere between Week 15 and 17 on the Redskins schedule. Could be a home game against the Cowboys baby.

If not the Washington Post, then I'm enlisting in the Army.

I look forward to hearing from you, and am truly confident I would be a valuable asset to the Washington Post Bureau of Sports.

I could be Jason Reid's assistant?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

salt, no one outbids DS....no one...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Sanchez is about average as rookie QBs go. It will take 3 years. I think going after David Carr Eli's backup might make sense."

I actually like this idea. If we had a line this guy could be good. He had no line in Houston. Might be a sleeper like Shaub was.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Every decision is Zorn's and will stand as if written in granite.

Until, of course, it conflicts with what Sherm, Vinny, Jerry, or Greg prefer.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 1:01 PM

LOL! The irony is, if Zorn is as incompetent as the FO is now making him out to be, why should anyone trust their judgment on Sherm? Or anyone else they bring in?

I could have sworn Joe Gibbs said he was going to remain in contact in a consulting capacity. Surely, he wouldn't approve of THIS circus!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 20, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Yah, even JLaCaCa is getting into the act swooping in on the WaPo.

Not the comment of the day but interesting none-the-less:

Zorn, grow some testicles. Riggins is right and you are gone. Tell Snyder to smooch your rearend.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

If I were a statue like Collins with an Ole' Line, I wouldn't want to start against an angry, blitz-happy Eagles that took a big crap last week. I wouldn't even want to face the Eagles DST in fantasy.

*Warning* Titanic reference:

If Danny were on the Titanic, would he be consider a children (height joke), or would he be one of those rich guys that took the women and children's place (worthless rich guy joke)?

Posted by: temunley | October 20, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Good choice. JC is the best QB on the roster right now. Next year, though, Skins should draft the best left tackle in the country with their sure-fire top 5 pick and go get a Jeff Garcia-type veteran (but not him) to manage the offense for a couple years. JC will surely be somewhere else next year. Draft QB in round 1 of 2011; no sense in ruining the new guy, too. Keep Portis for a while, as he's still a stud if behind a decent O-line and passing game - he's far from the problem.

We'll also need another corner opposite D Hall. Rogers is gone, I think, and D Hall's not a #1 shutdown corner.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The plays coming from the booth is done every weekend all over the NFL, so this is nothing new.

Most OC sit in the booth and call the plays, don't act like we are the only team in the NFL doing this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

... I could be Jason Reid's assistant?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009

Pretty good. Right up there with Zorn shaking the rust off going in and again becoming a left handed slinger calling his own plays.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

every day a little yellow car pulls up to ashburn and 22 clowns pile out with big red noses and huge exploding shoes. this car is owned by the Snyderatto traveling circus. and it just keeps getting worse. what a joke.

Posted by: rrtreon | October 20, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Most OC sit in the booth and call the plays, don't act like we are the only team in the NFL doing this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009

They aren't "relayed". They go directly to the quarterback. The HC is usually listening in but only becomes involved in the time critical situations where timeouts etc are involved. And Yes, Flounder they have to be "relayed". Sherm Lewis doesn't understand the system, at least not yet.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The plays coming from the booth is done every weekend all over the NFL, so this is nothing new.

Most OC sit in the booth and call the plays, don't act like we are the only team in the NFL doing this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but they usually go straight to the QB. Perhaps the HC is listening but its not a situation where the HC gets the call from the booth and then the HC relays it to the QB who then relays it to the players. Its an unnecessary step and I'm sure will hinder that ever illusive rhythm JC is looking for.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Sanchez is about average as rookie QBs go. It will take 3 years. I think going after David Carr Eli's backup might make sense."

I actually like this idea. If we had a line this guy could be good. He had no line in Houston. Might be a sleeper like Shaub was.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse
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No way - Carr's terrible, and his technique and confidence never developed because of an O-line worse than ours. I watched a couple of his games. He'll never be a good starter.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 20, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Here is one mock draft I hope doesn't happen.


7. Washington Redskins: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
There have been reports that Jon Gruden is atop Daniel Snyder's wish list for his next head coach. Snyder would prefer Gruden over someone like Mike Shanahan, because Shanahan would want complete control over player operations.

If Snyder gets his way and hires Gruden, you can bet all the money you have that Gruden will draft Tim Tebow and install the Wildcat as a staple of Washington's offense.

There's also little doubt that Snyder will support this. Snyder loves going after big-name players and will be looking for a franchise quarterback. Snyder has a sharp business mind, so he knows how much revenue he can make with an iconic figure like Tebow.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Good choice. JC is the best QB on the roster right now. Next year, though, Skins should draft the best left tackle in the country with their sure-fire top 5 pick and go get a Jeff Garcia-type veteran (but not him) to manage the offense for a couple years. JC will surely be somewhere else next year. Draft QB in round 1 of 2011; no sense in ruining the new guy, too. Keep Portis for a while, as he's still a stud if behind a decent O-line and passing game - he's far from the problem.

Entirely agree, but they need 4 OL from the upcoming draft ... at least 4. Its not like they haven't drafted 4 wide receivers or 4 linebackers in a year peeps.


We'll also need another corner opposite D Hall. Rogers is gone, I think, and D Hall's not a #1 shutdown corner.

You mean Shawn Springs? Oh the guy they thought Hall could replace? And it turns out Rogers was the better bet all along. Yeah.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

good call. season is down the pan anyway, so nothing to be gained from Toddball, let's see what JC can do. anything he can do now either gives us a clue as to whether we need a new QB, or ups his trade value (from zero). we've got some stiff competition for the worst OLine in the league, but I think we could take the cake...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | October 20, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse
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Do you realy require a clue as to whether we need a new quarteback? Look at Campbell's performance since he got the starting job over Brunell in 2006. I think the answer is rather obvious that he shouldn't be back next year. His contract will expire and he will be free to pursue other career opportunities once the 2009 trainwreck comes to a grinding halt.

And you're right, absolutely no trade value - good front offices look at film, scout and actually evaluate talent. Hell, we'd probably have to throw in a couple draft picks to entice someone to take him off our hands.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 20, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

GREAT CHOICE!!!! more of the same....NO POINTS!!!!

I'm so done with idiots and the REDSKINS!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | October 20, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Our QB next year is sitting on someone's bench right now. I like the Carr idea someone posted earlier. Possibly Garcia (kinda old though). Leinart (not sure if AZ has given up on him). We should trade for Jim Sorgi from Indy. How bout that one.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"so he knows how much revenue he can make with an iconic figure like Tebow"

These types of lines crack me up, they really do. Show me the spreadsheet that shows that jersey sales are much more profitable than say a home playoff game.....just absolutly irresponsible, and a tired line overall.....lazy journalism at its best.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Okay Peri and ZJ,

So we score 3 points instead of 6 who gives a sh_t.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The man with the the bold type...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

No way - Carr's terrible, and his technique and confidence never developed because of an O-line worse than ours.

The skinny on him is that he has significantly improved in those areas since you watched him last. The Giants have complete confidence in him if Eli goes down. He may be worth a look ... unless you want to go the rookie route which is likely going to look worst than Sanchez. And there is still Colt and Collins to go with him.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Whatever. Probably the only move.

The season is already lost.

Posted by: AWWNats | October 20, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

How do you keep the Redskins out of your yard?

A. Put up a goal post

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

What's the matter with you, Chia?

Why all the co-signing today? Mad about Zorn?

Who gives a f why you're acting pissy today anyway.

Matter of fact: F you. Get over it. Your man is a the walking dead now.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

What do the Redskins and opossums have in common?

Both play dead at home and get killed on the road

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Hmm I suppose I should practice some fancier html tricks now shouldn't I? I need the practice after all? :)

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Where do you go in D.C. in case of a tornado?

To FedEx Field - they never have a touchdown there!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

With Sherman L calling the plays and Campbell the QB there could be a surprise here.

1. Campbell has zero trust in Z. Even though he did not score high in the Wonderlicks, he is smart enought to not be fooled by Z's lovey dovey put on. He knows that Z was the driving force behind the Skin's lunge for Cut and San.

2. Lewis will actually ask Campbell what plays he feels most comfortable running and will make every effort to call them.

3. Campbell, knowing that Lewis will be doing everything he can to help and that Z is out of the picture will loosen up psychically and be more relaxed and alert.

Campbell could shock everyone and have a big game against Philly. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: GasFace | October 20, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Another site has us with the number 2 pick and taking Clausen from ND.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"so he knows how much revenue he can make with an iconic figure like Tebow"

These types of lines crack me up, they really do. Show me the spreadsheet that shows that jersey sales are much more profitable than say a home playoff game.....just absolutly irresponsible, and a tired line overall.....lazy journalism at its best.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

once again, we agree. its not like fans of the redskins aren't going to buy jerseys anyways. To say that player acquisition is about jersey sales is retarded, the bump in number of jerseys sold by a haynesworth signing is infinitesimal, the jerseys are going to be bought no matter what its just a question of the # and name on it, the number of people sitting at home saying "I'm not gonna buy a jersey this season unless they skins get Tebow" is pretty small.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Some of you might have already gotten this as a chain email:

HEADLINE: "D.C. Police are "cracking" down on speeders. For the first
offense, they give you two Redskins tickets. (If you get stopped a
second
time, they give you two Nationals tickets.)"

Q. What do you call 47 millionaires sitting around a TV watching the
Super Bowl?
A. The WashingtonRedskins.

Q. What do the Redskins and Billy Graham have in common?
A. They both can make 70,000 people stand up and yell "Jesus Christ".

Q. How do you keep the Redskins out of your yard?
A. Put up a goal post.

Q. Where do you go in D.C. in case of a tornado?
A. To FedEx Field - they never have a touchdown there!

Q. What do you call a Redskin with a Super Bowl ring?
A. Senior Citizen

Q. What's the difference between the Redskins and a dollar bill?
A. You can still get four quarters out of a dollar bill.

Q. How many Redskins does it take to win a Super Bowl?
A. We may never find out in the 21st century.

Q. What do the Redskins and opossums have in common?
A. Both play dead at home and get killed on the road.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Sherm's been giving the whole WC play scheme considerable thought since he has been away from the game and will be introducing a few new wrinkles to the offensive scheme Monday night.

First, in order to compensate for his inability to set up and throw in a timely manner, the QB will be playing deep shotgun (some might call it punt formation) every down.

Second, in order to compensate for the QB's inability to throw downfield with any degree of accurracy, the longest pass play will be a screen play.

Next, there will be no play action because of the QB's demonstrated inability to avoid his own shoelaces.

Finally, old Sherm will bring back a couple of his favorite plays from the 1940s -- the flying wedge and the quick kick.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 20, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, thanks Red.

Nothing but love here, "brother."

Why don't you go stalk some young lady on the bus ride home today?

Creep...


Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:


OFFENSE (54 snaps)

QB: Jason Campbell 29, Todd Collins 25.

RB: Clinton Portis 30, Mike Sellers 27, Ladell Betts 24.

TE: Chris Cooley 51, Fred Davis 13.

WR: Santana Moss 50, Devin Thomas 42, Antwaan Randle El 29, Malcolm Kelly 2.

Analysis: The biggest change from last week was Thomas being elevated to No. 2 receiver. He hadn't played more than 25 snaps before this game. ... Kelly's totals has dropped the last three games from 50 to 28 to 2. ... Cooley wasn't on the field for the Redskins' final snap -- the safety. ... Betts' total was a season high. ... Davis continues to get playing time but Sellers has taken over the tight end duties on some pass protection situations.

DEFENSE (74 snaps)

DL: Kedric Golston 36, Lorenzo Alexander 16, Jeremy Jarmon 13, Albert Haynesworth 56, Phillip Daniels 41, Cornelius Griffin 33, Andre Carter 74.

LB: London Fletcher 74, Brian Orakpo 66, Rocky McIntosh 66, Chris Wilson 8, H.B. Blades 5.

DB: DeAngelo Hall 74, LaRon Landry 73, Carlos Rogers 72, Justin Tryon 23, Fred Smoot 13, Reed Doughty 60, Chris Horton 1.

I just continue to be amazed at this, Moss/Thomas on the field for 92 snaps of the ball, 2 passes sent their way, what other team REFUSES to throw it to their starting wideouts??

And Jarmons snaps need to go up....I don't get the mind set of not trying to develop this guy....just mind-numbingly stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Over/Under on the number of delay of games + timeouts called to avoid delay of games because we have a moronic middle-man relaying the calls from the playcaller to the QB: 4.5

I'm taking the over.

Posted by: psps23 | October 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

All the Mock Drafts I looked at have us drafting 10 or later. Haha, must not have seen this collapse coming. We better draft Okung, Trent Williams, or Beluga or any OL in the first. No fuc*ing QB's. We can find an NFL ready one on someone's bench.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

All the Mock Drafts I looked at have us drafting 10 or later. Haha, must not have seen this collapse coming. We better draft Okung, Trent Williams, or Beluga or any OL in the first. No fuc*ing QB's. We can find an NFL ready one on someone's bench.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:27 PM |

How long ago did you look I just saw 5 that have us in the top 7 one had us a 2.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Hold up - I keep seeing references to this "relay" system where Zorn will repeat the play call from ShermL. Has someone from the team stated on the record that this is how it will work? Because that would be an enormously stupid system. This team has trouble executing its first play from scrimmage coming out of a TV timeout in a quiet stadium. They can't seem to line up for a big play (fourth down, big red zone downs, etc.) without taking a timeout to give it some thought and let the defense catch its breath and get set. Who could possibly imagine that spending two or three precious seconds having Zorn repeat what ShermL tells him will make things work better? Good grief...

I hope there are some fellow "Galaxy Quest" fans out there who'll recall that wonderful bit of sci-fi business where Sigourney Weaver had to repeat every order to the computer, which would only respond to her voice... Jim Zorn as Lieutanant Tawny Madison, Computer Officer... just shoot me...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

All the Mock Drafts I looked at have us drafting 10 or later. Haha, must not have seen this collapse coming. We better draft Okung, Trent Williams, or Beluga or any OL in the first. No fuc*ing QB's. We can find an NFL ready one on someone's bench.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

_________

Being realistic, you know they'll be taking a QB at some point. I hope they at least wait till the 2nd round.

1st - Russell Okung
2nd - best available QB (Colt McCoy, Jevan Snead)

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Zorn needed to have the QB decision made by Tuesday morning. This "I think I'm going with Campbell" is BS. If he hasn't made the decision as of now, he ought to be fired immediately.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I just continue to be amazed at this, Moss/Thomas on the field for 92 snaps of the ball, 2 passes sent their way, what other team REFUSES to throw it to their starting wideouts??

And Jarmons snaps need to go up....I don't get the mind set of not trying to develop this guy....just mind-numbingly stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the premise that we aren't taking enough shots to our receivers you can't count Moss' 50 and DT11's 42 as 92 snaps. They are mutually exclusive as I'm sure they were on the field at the same time and there is only 1 football. Also, I'm sure we'd like to throw down-field more but protection has been a little spotty at times don't you think? There is no excuse though for the pass JC missed up the middle to JC or the bomb down the sidelines to DT11, he had time and just missed those throws, which is why he got pulled.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

salt, no one outbids DS....no one...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:07 PM |

I believe he was outbid for Cut and San.

Posted by: GasFace | October 20, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

chia, congratulations!!!!!!

also sorry to hear about your job/insurance situation. hang in there. not that it matters but i vote for you to be the beat reporter...

btw...i was anti healthcare reform until my own family members were bitten by the insurance industry...and then i talked to my dr. about it...even they're for it.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 20, 2009 1:26 PM

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Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Nate, Zorn has repeatedly said that is how its going to work, Lewis will give him the play and he'll call it in to JC.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

No problem white boy...

Looks like TheTruth has re-surfaced.

Keeping up with the content of my post much, chia.

So you must like bushes, huh? Funny too because I always knew you was pu**y.

I know you ain't the only one who has a problem with the boy. I know I represent what a lot of you mf'ers can't stand...

But know this sh** here, I don't give a f if your mama was a faithful RI reader, I'm still going to post the same g-damn way, and all the hating b!tches that come through here ain't going to stop a mf'er.

RedDMV is here to stay as long as he damn well wants. Get with it or either get the f out the way.

B**ches...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Re: playcalling -- Why not just let Campbell call his own plays?

Frankly I think that would yield better results than a Lewis-to-Zorn-to-Campbell game of telephone.

Predictions on number of delay of game penalties we incur? Number of timeouts we have to burn to prevent said penalties?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Here is something that I have not people discuss yet.

What is sherm lewis calls plays and then zorn calls another play to JC.?????????


Sabotage anyone????????

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 20, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, taking issue with whoever wrote that analysis, but I'd say the biggest change from last week was this right here:

QB: Jason Campbell 29, Todd Collins 25

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Zorn quote from Monday's presser:

"He'll be up in the press box. He'll call the plays on Monday night. I'll be down on the field, relaying the play. I haven't decided - and it will be my decision - who the quarterback will be to start. I haven't even talked to our guys yet. This is the first chance I've had to express anything to anybody. As we get further into this, I'll make a decision as to who will be our starter."

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

What's the matter with you, Chia?

Why all the co-signing today? Mad about Zorn?

Who gives a f why you're acting pissy today anyway.

Matter of fact: F you. Get over it. Your man is a the walking dead now.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 1:22 PM |

Everything was peachy keen until your rancorous handle showed up. Why don't you take a course in anger management and come back with a better attitude?

Posted by: GasFace | October 20, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

How long ago did you look I just saw 5 that have us in the top 7 one had us a 2.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Where are these mock drafts? I want to see them.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

From combatants to Bromance, an RI christmas miracle comes early

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Easy solution for the rest of the season. No passing plays at all for the first 2 downs, just straight running plays and quarterback options. 2 tight end and 3 running back set and try to wear the opponent down until the 4th quarter. This will keep the clock running, manage the field for the defense and cut down on the responsibility of Campbell. In fact, just let Randle-El play quarterback and just go with the Wild Cat for the rest of the season.

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 20, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Awesome, thanks, Jack. Super duper news. Adding a translation layer to each and every offensive snap will certainly help us get going.

RedDMV, what set you off, man? Good golly.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

red, not cool. not cool at all. this is not your father's recession. no one's seen things this bad for a very very long time.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 20, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that the Washington Redskins have contacted the Seattle Seahawks abour aquiring disgruntled wide-out, Deion Branch. Branch who became famouns with the Patriots super bowl winning teams, hasn't done much with the 'Hawks due to injury problems. Seemingly healthy now, the sticking point is compensation, which is rumored to be a 2nd round pick."

lather, rinse, repeat..............

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Awesome, thanks, Jack. Super duper news. Adding a translation layer to each and every offensive snap will certainly help us get going.

RedDMV, what set you off, man? Good golly.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

yeah like I said earlier, should make that rhythm they are always looking for easy to find.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Another site has us with the number 2 pick and taking Clausen from ND.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:23 PM |

LMAO. Clausen and the 2 pick in the same sentence.

Posted by: GasFace | October 20, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Some of you might have already gotten this as a chain email:...................

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 1:24 PM

Hey, quit stealing my thunder, punk.

hahahahah

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick of everyone blaming Zorn for the teams play, he has zero power within the Front Office so when he wanted them to pursue OT Ray Willis they did but they offered him a low ball contract, Zorn wanted to keep Jermey Bridges and Vinny wanted to keep younger guys what I'm trying to say is Zorn new what kind of O-Line he had and he wanted to upgrade that,I'm telling you Zorn is calling the exact same plays he called in Seattle before he came to Washington Zorn can be an affective play caller with an O-Line that can protect, don't fire Zorn when the season ends make him the OC that may happen if we bring in Mike Holmgren. FO please upgrade this O-Line and cut ties with Clinton Portis.

Posted by: robbkels | October 20, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

If Leigh Torrance were captain of the Titanic........oh nevermind

Posted by: cej75024 | October 20, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

found it!! I was trying to find out when Jason got his "rhythm" he was referring to when he complained about being taken out of the game...
He gets his rhythm when the Skins are down by 2 scores with 6 minutes left in the game and the opposing Defense lets him play catch with his WRs short of a score..ie. prevent Defense.
+++++++++++++++++

That is the Problem, If JC comes out Cold then why dont you speed things up and go no huddle early on to get a rhythym and some confidence, rather just punting and saying good job men we'll get em next time, and if not next time then time after that.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 20, 2009 10:40 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Show me the spreadsheet that shows that jersey sales are much more profitable than say a home playoff game.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:18 PM

and there it is.

ticket sales, concessions, portion of tv advertising, parking... all go to the team.

jersey sales go the players, players union, the league, manufacturers, and then the team.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that the Washington Redskins have contacted the Seattle Seahawks abour aquiring disgruntled wide-out, Deion Branch. Branch who became famouns with the Patriots super bowl winning teams, hasn't done much with the 'Hawks due to injury problems. Seemingly healthy now, the sticking point is compensation, which is rumored to be a 2nd round pick."

lather, rinse, repeat..............

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse


If we trade our 2nd round pick for Deon Branch I will sh*t. If this happens we should never watch this team again.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: billshah | October 20, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Ah, there goes Red again....

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 20, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick of everyone blaming Zorn for the teams play, he has zero power within the Front Office so when he wanted them to pursue OT Ray Willis they did but they offered him a low ball contract, Zorn wanted to keep Jermey Bridges and Vinny wanted to keep younger guys what I'm trying to say is Zorn new what kind of O-Line he had and he wanted to upgrade that,I'm telling you Zorn is calling the exact same plays he called in Seattle before he came to Washington Zorn can be an affective play caller with an O-Line that can protect, don't fire Zorn when the season ends make him the OC that may happen if we bring in Mike Holmgren. FO please upgrade this O-Line and cut ties with Clinton Portis.

Posted by: robbkels | October 20, 2009 1:42 PM |

Zorn didn't call plays in Seattle so the rest of your post is not worht reading.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse


Seemingly healthy now, the sticking point is compensation, which is rumored to be a 2nd round pick."

lather, rinse, repeat..............

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse


What is the sticking point.??? What did Seattle only ask for a 2nd...and we are determined to give them a 4th as well??

Posted by: cej75024 | October 20, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

This is just a cluster F....Nothing like handicapping your replacement!!!! WHY IS A LAME DUCK COACH running the show? C'MON SNYDER!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | October 20, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you, this Sherm --> JZ --> JC thing is gonna work. We script the first fifteen plays, so that'll get us through to halftime.
In the second half, we'll go hurry up the entire time in order to try to erase the 2-0 deficit.

Posted by: daggar | October 20, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

its a joke fedor, hellooooooooo

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 20, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Based on his history of getting fired for sucking, Sherman Lewis should fit in great with this offense. Another D0uche Hall of Fame move, Vinnydan!

Posted by: sufferinskinsfan | October 20, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Collins is not the answer. if we base things clearly on who gives the team the best chance to win Collins lacks mobility, awareness, and arm strength. No matter who the quarterback is without an NFL offensive line you can't run any type of offense west coast or left coast.

What is amazing to me is that opposing teams players seem to be stronger and faster then the Redskins players. I still don't see screens being run for wide receivers or the running backs. The middle of the field is open every game but I don't see Zorn or Snyder utilizing that part of the field.
If we only knew how much meddling Snyder does with the offense and the procurement of player and how much authority coaches have over the players.

Can someone tell me why Ladell Betts is the third down back? Why is he even on the team?

Why are Malcolm Kelly and Devin thomas still starting. Didn't Marko Mitchell demonstrate that he deserves playing time?
Whose bright idea was it to play Orakpo at strongside linebacker?

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | October 20, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

this whole deion branch trade crap is just mind boggling.....another guy they WONT throw the ball to....great.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

got till 4pm, today, to pull a trade. Deion is cooked. He was done when he left the Pats..
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
"PFT has learned that the Washington Redskins have contacted the Seattle Seahawks abour aquiring disgruntled wide-out, Deion Branch. Branch who became famouns with the Patriots super bowl winning teams, hasn't done much with the 'Hawks due to injury problems. Seemingly healthy now, the sticking point is compensation, which is rumored to be a 2nd round pick."

lather, rinse, repeat..............

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

dangit zj, zip it....just let it build some steam...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Been posting here, Gas Face. If you don't like it, step the f off. It's really that simple.

F you and your mother, if you, or that b**ch got a problem with me posting here.

Don't like it? DO SOMETHING besides take co-signed shots.

Why co-sign pu**y? Why not say something from the jump? With your chump ass...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

A wise sage suggested.......Let "3 and OUT" Canpbell Qb the team from 20 to 20 , IF (and that a big IF) he can get them to the DEAD/RED zone......then bring in Collins when Smarts....Innovation...instincts.....accuracy is required.....to finish....

Posted by: FletcherChristian1 | October 20, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Start the following:

QB: Colt Brennan (JC is gone and TC is too old - this should be a no brainer - it can hardly get worse)

RB: Rotate Mason / Aldrige / Portis
(inactivate RC and LB)

WR: Moss w/ Mitchell + Kelly starting - rotate Thomas ARE

TE: Cooley w/ Davis rotated

OL: Whoever the biggest guys left on the bench not wearing casts are.

At least would be fun to watch.

Posted by: mac2j | October 20, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse


If we trade our 2nd round pick for Deon Branch I will sh*t. If this happens we should never watch this team again.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse


_____________


You'll learn pretty quickly that anything Bean posts is a fake bit of news. Annoying as it might be, he thinks it's funny.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Jim Sorgi, David Carr???? Campbell blows but scrubs like this are not going to turn things around. Come on now.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 20, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

df, lighten up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

its a joke fedor, hellooooooooo

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse


I hope so. I don't know whats true or not anymore. This seems like something the FO would do. So sorry if I believed it.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

mac2j,
Colts on RI

Posted by: alex35332 | October 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see us take bookend tackles with 1st/2nd round picks, but that won't happen. Hoping for Okung or another tackle in the first and Ryan Mallett in the Second. Mallett is a big strong kid who can take a beating, which is important for this system.

Posted by: brian58 | October 20, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

df, lighten up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

______________

Just telling it like it is man. Posting fake news for your own entertainment to see what people's reactions would be, is childish and annoying to me.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Colts on RI

IR = RI...

Posted by: alex35332 | October 20, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

QB: Colt Brennan (JC is gone and TC is too old - this should be a no brainer - it can hardly get worse)

Posted by: mac2j | October 20, 2009 1:52 PM


mac2j -- Brennan's on IR, which means he's out for the season. Try to keep up, bud.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 20, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

quit whining....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Jim Sorgi, David Carr???? Campbell blows but scrubs like this are not going to turn things around. Come on now.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 20, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

We can't invest a high pick in a qb until we fix the line. So why not bring in a caretaker for a year or two? No QB in this draft will be as good as Flacco, Ryan or Cutler. Sanchez won't even be good for 2-3 years if he even does get good.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If I see one more post with the start Colt/Chase beginning......seriously, if you're too stupid to understand how IR or playing on another teams roster works how did you figure out how to sign up and post on here? Maybe you can tell me where the any key is? I keep reading things like if you want to proceed press any key and my keyboard doesn't have one......

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV,

Be careful.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 20, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Wtf is up with all the haters today?

I mean, hating on fake news? Do they write 'The Onion' and express their anger in their letters to the editor?

Get a gawddamn life!

It's really too bad the 'skins suck this year. Now we gotta deal with people who's everything is Washington Redskins come through and spread their misery all over the damn place.

Why don't you all just jump off a building, slit your wrists, or put the gun to your heads and pull the trigger already?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

quit whining....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

_________

Quit being useless.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

...Posting fake news for your own entertainment...

Ok, so the rules are now:
1) you have to make sense
w) don't be a sanctimonious jerk
%) no fake news for your own entertainment

If you ban not-terribly-funny jokes, I'll have nothing left.

Posted by: daggar | October 20, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Why did Zorn accept Cerrato's suggestion to have Sherm Lewis now call the offensive plays?...Zorn is a spineless man.....who should have told Cerrato to go f*ck himself....or fire him.

zorn, sherm and jason have no shot at success mon vs philly...with an inept offensive line (assembled by cerrato)...that consists of montgomery, heyer, rinehart, batiste and williams.

the redskins will be lucky to win one more game this season.

Posted by: jrebstock | October 20, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you all just jump off a building, slit your wrists, or put the gun to your heads and pull the trigger already?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder probably says the exact same thing to Jim Zorn every Monday.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Why did Zorn accept Cerrato's suggestion to have Sherm Lewis now call the offensive plays?...Zorn is a spineless man.....who should have told Cerrato to go f*ck himself....or fire him.

zorn, sherm and jason have no shot at success mon vs philly...with an inept offensive line (assembled by cerrato)...that consists of montgomery, heyer, rinehart, batiste and williams.

the redskins will be lucky to win one more game this season.

Posted by: jrebstock | October 20, 2009 2:06 PM

The Redskins play to the level of their opponent. They will beat Philly on Monday... guranteed.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 20, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

this is gonna get pretty boring........

someone got anything useful to post......

I know, lets review where Taylor Jacobs failed.....ready go...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Wtf is up with all the haters today?

I mean, hating on fake news? Do they write 'The Onion' and express their anger in their letters to the editor?

Get a gawddamn life!

_________________

There's a big difference between this site and the Onion. Everyone that goes to the Onion goes there knowing that the articles are fake and done for entertainment value. People come to this blog for news and bean thinks it's funny to prey on people who don't know any better.

Get some perspective before you reply. And take a prozac or something to manage your anger issues.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

F rules.

If posting anything that pops into my head at any given moment and on any topic under the sun is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Also, I wholeheartedly co-sign everything RedDMV has posted up here today.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The theme is now:

Hey, why not give (fill in the blank) a shot?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 20, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has million$ of reason$ to comply.

You don't want Snyder to whip out the view-graph machine and show the letter he writes notifying Zorn that he's being fired "For Cause"!

Posted by: daggar | October 20, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins mostly lose on Sundays. Most-ly.

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | October 20, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Any good sites for news on the trade deadline? Rumors etc. Why can't we trade some of our actractive players for mid round picks or young OL or RB talent?

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not sure if Sherman Lewis really works for the Redskins. I didn't see him standing in front of three Lombardi trophies that Snyder didn't win, so until then, I don't believe it.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 20, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

People come to this blog for news

And I provided the playing time breakdown from the last game versus the Chiefs, via the Wash. Times, so suck it jagoff....

what news have you provided.....uh-huh.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else get a gander at BLloyd last night cheesin' up a smile in street clothes on Denver's bench??

Posted by: cej75024 | October 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Guys,

Nothing matters at this point, until Vinny is gone as Beantown said, "Lather, rinse, repeat". I was at the game on Sunday and was right by the exit where the players leave the field at the end of the game. Those guys are done, they all had their heads down or shaking them. I think the realization that they are employed by the worst franchise in the NFL, was sinking in. I was happy that my torn up dollar bill hit 92 in the face mask as he ran off the field with over a minute a left, what a teammate! It was truly embarrasing to be a Redskins fan walking out of the stadium. I am not kidding when I tell you that there was probably 4000 people left in that stadium when the safety occured and frankly I hope the stadium is full of Eagles fans on Monday night and for every home game for the rest of the season. This franchise is done until Snyder gets a clue and the only way that happens is when people stop coming to the games and it becomes a home game for the visiting team. Save your breathe, stop trying to figure out who we are going to draft next year and what FA we'll pick up or who will coach. All of it doesn't mean S%%T, until Snyder changes his ways and gets out of the way.

Posted by: forever8-8 | October 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"Owners can't be traded, of course. They can only be embarrassed."
-from the Blackistone article

chant it with me folks:
SELL THE TEAM
SELL THE TEAM
SELL THE TEAM

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Will the hamster that replies to Jack's (zjfr2) "any key" question also teach greg to provide a link?

Thanks!

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 20, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Having lots of Eagles fans in the stands on MNF would probably be good for Snyder's bottom-line.

For one thing, they probably drink loads more beer than Redskins fans do.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 20, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10245120/Schein-9:-Can-Zorn,-but-Redskins-problems-deeper#

Normally I think Schein is a doofus but I agree with him here.

Posted by: skinswest | October 20, 2009 2:15 PM

Posted by: skinswest | October 20, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Jets looking for a defensive tackle
Posted by Mike Florio on October 20, 2009 2:07 PM ET
With nose tackle Kris Jenkins out for the year, the Jets are working the phones on the final day of the trading deadline in search of a replacement, according to Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News.

The most obvious target is Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers. Given the curious pipeline that has developed between the team coached by former Jets coach Eric Mangini and the man who fired him, G.M. Mike Tannenbaum, it's not such a far-fetched idea.

Cimini also points out that Browns defensive lineman Corey Williams is available. But he's not particularly suited to take over the nose position in a 3-4 defense.

And that's the real problem the Jets face. Starting-caliber 3-4 nose tackles are hard to find. They are a rare breed -- strong, nimble, athletic, and very fat. Their job is to clog up the middle of the line, allowing the middle linebackers to target the ball carrier.

The Jets' best bet might be to scour the depth charts of teams that use a 4-3 front in search of a backup tackle who might be suited to making the shift to nose in the 3-4, as both Jenkins and Rogers when they arrived in New York and Cleveland, respectively, in 2008.

Regardless, it won't be easy to replace Jenkins, and if the Jets are going to do it via a trade they've now got less than two hours.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

maybe we can ship them A. Monte for their backup LT?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I think Kevin Blackistones article on Fanhouse sucks! Yes, our history under Snyder has sucked, but KB seems emotionally removed from it all. He mentions being at RFK all the time in his youth....well, one would sure find that hard to believe by the tone of his article. Whatever KB...I will always love the Redskins...regardless of who the owner is....our team and our history is bigger than some owner.

Hail!

Posted by: httr20081 | October 20, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

We're just re-arranging deck chairs on the Hindenburg!

Posted by: edvar | October 20, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins play to the level of their opponent. They will beat Philly on Monday... guranteed.
Posted by: Sports_Guru

Hey, I'm not in the same class as anyone who calls himself Sports_Guru, but I'm up for this bet.
I'll take Philly, SG. How much can you afford to lose on this game?

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 20, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. This is just like shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic. But in this case, the chairs can't protect the quarterback. And we're ALL going down with this ship.

Posted by: rucks35 | October 20, 2009 12:43 PM

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ENOUGH ALREADY!

Future references to the ill fated voyage of the RMS Titanic are verboten! We've simply grown tired of this.

But first, this side note:

The ship had a total lifeboat capacity of 1,178 people, although her capacity was 3,547. A disproportionate number of men died due to the women-and-children-first protocol that was followed.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:51 PM

Seriously. The SS Minnow would be a far better analogy.

Posted by: skinswest | October 20, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Will the hamster that replies to Jack's (zjfr2) "any key" question also teach greg to provide a link?

Thanks!

Posted by: Curzon417

Seriously? This is still fooling people?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 20, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

fake redskins news is better than real redskins news any day of the week right now.... just saying

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | October 20, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

zj, nice, however, that is not news, as df, stated people come here for news, and we can only supply news....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

In honor of today's NFL player trade deadline, Redskin Insider is pleased to offer a special Talent Evaluator math quiz.

PROBLEM #1 - It's NFL trade deadline time and the Tennessee Titans contact the only team that is worse off than they are to inquire about the availability of Washington's starting quarterback.

Vinny C sez, "Hell yeah, JC's available, and we would be damn pleased to be rid of him. The only thing we need from you is some fair market value, because we’ve already wasted millions on the misguided idea that we could turn this hopeless excuse into a pro quarterback. Although I doubt it, perhaps you might have better luck with him."

The Titans rep thinks for a moment then remembers that the local Piggly Wiggly has pumpkins on sale for 39 cents a pound. He offers Vinny 10 pounds worth of pumpkins.

Q - If you're Vinny, do you take the deal? (Hint: Dan loves pumpkin pie)

PROBLEM # 2 - The Titans also ask about the availability of Washington's starting running back, while suggesting that there's also a sale on rotten bananas at the Piggly Wiggly -- with 10 pounds of bananas going for a buck.

Vinny knows that CP weighs about 220 pounds.

Q – Does Vinny trade Clinton straight up for his weight in bad bananas? (Hint: Dan also likes banana nut bread)


PS -- I'm willing to bet $25.90 that Vinny takes both deals -- that is, if Tennessee also agrees to take the Redskins first three draft picks for each of the next four seasons.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 20, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

People come to this blog for news

And I provided the playing time breakdown from the last game versus the Chiefs, via the Wash. Times, so suck it jagoff....

what news have you provided.....uh-huh.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

_______________

I've posted several bits of news, and many opinions on actual real news that's been posted here.

I don't come here to get involved in flame wars with blog trolls. But I have no problems trying to save people a little time and aggravation letting them know you're just jerking them around.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

lmao - I though you said "Quit Winning"~

... I thot we had it covered already. lmao.
__________________________

In a completely un-related opinion - there were actually parts of this team that I like ok. I've never been convinced of Collins' ability to win the this league. But I still think these games we've played have been win-able.

I think they should have outright given the HC position to someone else, even if it's only temporary.

Team being led by a unic is impotent!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 20, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Watching this team is like whiping your but with that industrial toilet paper you have at work. Just painful.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Seriously. The SS Minnow would be a far better analogy."

No way.

The Hindenburg image is way better because the flaming wreckage bears a stunning resemblance to our season.

or whatever.

Posted by: edvar | October 20, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

just comes across as more whining.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Although the Skipper and Gilligan do sort of remind you of Danny and his lapdog...

Posted by: edvar | October 20, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Watching this team is like whiping your but with that industrial toilet paper you have at work. Just painful.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 2:24 PM

Anytime you "whip" your but, its painful. You mean wiping your butt... i think.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 20, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

First poster had it right. Doesn't matter who's at QB with the OL they have. In fact, it might be better to have them both play so that one of of them gets hurt after an Ole block, the other will be ready to go. Or, just have the Defense line up in the backfield, that way they won't be running as fast when they hit the QB.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | October 20, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

You know, in the Redskins' 72 year history in D.C., the Redskins have had only three quality, franchise quarterbacks: Sammy, Sonny, and Joe. That's right, these guys are from a looooooooong time ago.

We have had only 2 QBs with at least a 90.0 rating since the 1991 Super Bowl-winning season: Mark Rypien (97.9) and Brad Johnson (90.0). Basically, we haven't had a QB for 18 years.

While I don't think the main problem is the passer (can I get an O-line?), I would like to get someone who could possibly lead this offense for 10 years and be good at it.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 20, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins beat Philly? Hmmm, they might have a similar problem now with their own OL. They have some issues with the defense. But ....

They have Andy Reid. And Andy Reid is calling the plays? Do you really think this relay team play calling of Sherm Lewis and Zorn is going to equal Andy Reid?

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS GO TO THROWBACK

In honor of their barnstorming days, the Redskins will wear their throwback 1994 uniforms. " We felt it was the best way to honor a time when points were free and easy. When play calls flowed and we scored 20 points a game. " owner Dan Snyder exlaimed. "Oh, those were the good ol' days....Heath Schuler, Ricky Ervins, and Desmond Howard. Hopefully, our current sqaud will draw inspiration from them."

Posted by: cej75024 | October 20, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

dfbovey = Roger Goodell of RI

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

What was Matt Millen's Achiles heel?

Drafting flashy wide outs. If he had drafted an O-Lineman each year with those high draft picks, the Lions would have been very good.

Imagine if Vinny had taken 3 O-Linemen in the 2nd round of 2008, instead of the 3 receivers....IMAGINE!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 20, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

First poster had it right. Doesn't matter who's at QB with the OL they have. In fact, it might be better to have them both play so that one of of them gets hurt after an Ole block, the other will be ready to go. Or, just have the Defense line up in the backfield, that way they won't be running as fast when they hit the QB.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | October 20, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

_________________

Could be a good offensive strategy. Move down the field in 15 yard chunks. If you let your QB get hit on every play, you have a 50/50 chance that a personal foul will be called.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Anudder Fool: [MyPostIDisAfake] You know, in the Redskins' 72 year history in D.C., the Redskins have had only three quality, franchise quarterbacks: Sammy, Sonny, and Joe.

How many superbowls did Sonny Jurgenson play in and win? Less than Mark Rypien fool!! How many superbowls did Theismann the Heisman even sniff before Gibbs? He was that starter? What's the difference? And yes they had Riggins. The HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sheesh what team were you watching?

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Quit crying about greg's fake news, which is much better than some of the rambling opinions of many of the posters on here.

Actually, I get a chuckle every time I see someone falling for his "PFT breaking news".

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 20, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

No way - Carr's terrible, and his technique and confidence never developed because of an O-line worse than ours.

The skinny on him is that he has significantly improved in those areas since you watched him last. The Giants have complete confidence in him if Eli goes down. He may be worth a look ... unless you want to go the rookie route which is likely going to look worst than Sanchez. And there is still Colt and Collins to go with him.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse
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If he's improved, good for him - funny what happens to QBs that are in a good, stable organization with a good coach and top-flight O-line. Maybe he's worth a look. The last thing we need to do is start a rookie QB in 2009, and with apologies to the Colt Brennan contingent out there, I don't see Colt as anything more than a career backup.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 20, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The teflon QB. Would there ever be an ending to this misery excuse for a QB. I hope that at the very least they let Collins have some reps - it is being two years or more since he practiced with the first unit - and don't throw him to the wolves as they did on the last game.

Posted by: hock1 | October 20, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The teflon QB. Would there ever be an ending to this misery excuse for a QB. I hope that at the very least they let Collins have some reps - it is being two years or more since he practiced with the first unit - and don't throw him to the wolves as they did on the last game.

Posted by: hock1 | October 20, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Just walked by a co-worker's desk...Steelers fan...that damn "Terrible Towel" was just taunting me. F the Steelers and the Terrible Towel and all it stands for [Pride? Tradition? Winning? Hands-Off Ownership? Long-Term Success?].

F them and their stability.
F Dallas
F 4th Floor
F Apathy
F "Mr." Snyder
F Vinny
F Micheal Wolgenheimer

Posted by: 4-12 | October 20, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I said... IMAGINE!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 20, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"You know, in the Redskins' 72 year history in D.C., the Redskins have had only three quality, franchise quarterbacks: Sammy, Sonny, and Joe. That's right, these guys are from a looooooooong time ago."

--

Was thinking along similar lines earlier -- and meant to ask some of the old timers whether JC is the worst quarterback ever -- or just the worst over the past 40-50 years of my memory of this team.

I gotta think there may have been a worse quarterback sometime during the team history -- perhaps during the Great Depression or WW II eras -- but I can't think of who it might be.

The Redskins have always prided themselves on having fair to good quarterbacks -- and even a couple of great ones -- but for the life of me, I can't think of one who has been any worse than the current incumbent.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 20, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Guys, what part of posting news don't you guys get, either FOLLOW the rules, or get off..

df, here is some legitimate, and non-made up news for your liking:

From the Times:

Some of the non-quarterback highlights from Jim Zorn’s radio show today on ESPN 980:

*On the Redskins’ defense: “With Albert [Haynesworth] here, he’s brought a really good spark and a mean-ness. He goes hard when he’s in there and it’s inspiring to Andre Carter -- he’s really turned his game up a notch. We thought this would happen once these things got into place – Andre would play better, Brian Orakpo would come off the edge and we have Phillip Daniels back. These guys are really going hard. With the rotation to give these guys rest, we can play hard for a long time.”

*On Haynesworth’s habit of writing in pain and/or struggling to get off the field: “He wants to show people, ‘Hey, I gave it all.’ … We said with him coming here, he would give us 60 percent of the plays. He’s certainly giving us that and [during] that 60 percent, he’s doing some damage. I don’t really care how he comes off as long as he’s ready to go back in.”

*On Orakpo eventually becoming a full-time defensive end: “I think he’s doing a heckuva job learning the strong-side linebacker position and he’s really been effective there, too. On the pass rush side, he’s really effective. I think we’re doing the right thing. There are very few games that have been impacted in a negative sense with him in the secondary.”

*On his play calling: “I have confidence in what I’m doing there. … I had confidence in what I was calling. I called a play that Clinton broke for 78 yards. I called the go routes and the things that work as well. But I don’t execute it – the players do.”

*On the promotion of Sherm Lewis to play caller: “I did not pick that. I think it’s going to be very difficult. We’re all going to have this challenge before us. We’re going to make the best of us. We’ll game plan in a similar fashion. We know it’s going to be pressure-filled and don’t know what the end results will be. We’ll be right in the mix and help him as much as we can.”

*On the ineffectiveness of the offense: “When we go into the game, we feel we can really go and then we come out of the game and we haven’t done that, that’s the frustrating part. There’s nobody more upset than me and yet I have to come back and get back in line. I have to keep our players focused and pushing toward where we want to be.”

*On the difficulty of coaching Monday night but calling the plays: “It will be very hard but I’m called to do hard things. Chuck Knox used to say ‘The hard man comes down the hard road,’ and that’s how we’re going to do it here.”

if people could just stop posting non-news up here, this place would be much more enjoyable...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

saltine, agreed on the player, disagree on the means of aquiring him, I believe he's a free agent after this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I missed something...what player are you guys talking about?


/

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Just found out Sherman Lewis wants Collons to start!!!!!!!!!

I like to say he's a smart man. Now why is Zorn pickin JC?????? UNDERCUT!!!!

NUTS!!!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | October 20, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Been posting here, Gas Face. If you don't like it, step the f off. It's really that simple.

F you and your mother, if you, or that b**ch got a problem with me posting here.

Don't like it? DO SOMETHING besides take co-signed shots.

Why co-sign pu**y? Why not say something from the jump? With your chump ass...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 1:52 PM |

I'm not a profiler but I would guess that your back story is that you spent some time in the Big House for assault and battery and while you were there the screws tightened you up.

Posted by: GasFace | October 20, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Anytime you "whip" your but, its painful. You mean wiping your butt... i think.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 20, 2009 2:26 PM |

thanks internet copy-editor.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Mosely is on the OL bandwagon:

Matt Mosley

Zorn's troubles start on O-line

Zorn continues to fight for his job while fielding what has to be one of the most underwhelming offensive lines in the league. Will Montgomery at right guard do anything for you? Keep your eye on that "Monday Night Football" game coming up against the Eagles. Zorn could be coaching for his job -- or what's left of it -- that night.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

if people could just stop posting non-news up here, this place would be much more enjoyable...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

__________________

Quit whining.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Might be a sleeper like Shaub was.
Posted by: FedorEm

Shaub is still asleep...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

if people could just stop posting non-news up here, this place would be much more enjoyable...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:37 PM

Blow it out your a$$. how's that for news?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Also, I wholeheartedly co-sign everything RedDMV has posted up here today.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 2:09 PM

I never took you as a Bama, Nate...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Another bodybag game in the making on Monday? To bad we don't have a BMitch to fill in as emergency QB this time around.

Posted by: skinswest | October 20, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

jcn, Alex Barron was the person in question.

if rhino is healthy, I'd stick him back at RG...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like both Hall and Zorn need to just stop talking to the media...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 20, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, you must not go quietly into that good night... no other crew cut even comes close.

Does anyone else get the feeling that Snyderatto is seeing how much Zorn will take before resigning? Maybe next week that crew cut will have bald swipe right down the center of Zorn's dome. "I was told to have a new haircut and my comfort level isn't 10, that's all I can say."

Posted by: pgugino | October 20, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I just found out that Zorn is going back to Campbell so that he can force Cerrato and Snyder to fire him.

Posted by: hock1 | October 20, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: GasFace

That a good handle takes me back to "3rd base"..also i like kingjaffejoba..those are good i wished i'd giving more thought to mine but its ok

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Most disgusting NFL head coach quote ever = "The hard man comes down the hard road" - Chuck K(n)ox

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | October 20, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is about average as rookie QBs go. It will take 3 years. I think going after David Carr Eli's backup might make sense. If and only if they fix this franchise up with a real GM, a real coach without ownership meddling. Accountability is one thing. Yeah you can fire them, preferably after the season. But if you keep doing that you won't get anywhere ever. But you don't tell them how to do their job when you have absolutely no clue.

Posted by: periculum

David Carr? Are you serious? You have to remember him crushed as the starting QB with the Texans. You're telling me he is an upgrade?

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Shaub is still asleep...

Posted by: jcnjcnj |"

He is? Wow I wish we had an asleep QB who had chucked 6 TDs in the last 2 weeks and 14 for the season.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

*On his play calling: “I have confidence in what I’m doing there. … I had confidence in what I was calling. I called a play that Clinton broke for 78 yards. I called the go routes and the things that work as well. But I don’t execute it – the players do.”


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Funny how Zorn is trying to point out his success as a play caller by pointing out the things that have gone right, but then puts it all on the players when his plays don't work.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

for the love of God, new thread plz with something juicy like Sherman Lewis' favorite Bingo number or something.....its getting hot in here, lot of anger. I'm not angry, everything I've been trying to explain to people for the last year and a half has come true and hopefully (plz oh plz oh plz oh plz) it will finally result in Vinny being gone, Snyder stepping back and real football people being in charge. When I look at it that way things are actually kinda rosy in Redksin world, perhaps all of this will force Snyder's hand and we may be better than mediocre again someday soon......perhaps....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The decision on JC was pretty obvious given the state of our O-Line. Collins wouldn't last a half before he was broken in two by the swarming Eagles defense. Campbell is at least mobile and can make some plays with his feet. The problems faced by the Redskins QB have more to do with our horrible O-Line than the execution by the QB's. Even a top QB like McNabb can be made to look ordinary when they are under constant pressure (look at the highlights from the Raiders-Eagles game).

Our offensive line as currently configured may be the worst in the league. With the exception of Dockery and Rabach, we don't have anyone of starter quality on our roster. That lies with Vinny and Danny who didn't address what was identified as the teams' biggest weakness in the offseason. How shortsighted was it to go into the year with our two best offensive lineman playing with potentially career ending medical conditions? I actually question how our medical staff okayed either Samuels or Thomas to pass their physical. I'm sure Snyder has team doctors on staff who wouldn't have made that a major issue.

ASSUMING Snyder comes to his senses and cans Cerrato, the team needs to use its No. 1 and No. 2 picks to select a pair of bookend tackles like Casserly did with Jansen and Samuels a decade ago. A serviceable guard should be acquired in FA and a backup swing lineman who can play either center or guard.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Hock, ya think mebbe that's why he went with him in the first place?! lmao!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 20, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

pps, no kidding, like I called the 78 yard run and the 42 yard pass to moss, but the safety, that was collins screwing up, and the runs that lost yardage..those were on cp....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES? I DON'T CARE IF THEY BRING IN KEANU REEVES FOR CHRIST SAKE...

F DANNY
F CERRATO
F EM' ALL

LET ME KNOW WHEN THEY GET A GM!

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 20, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I thought everything was Obama's fault.

Does this mean Glen Beck is wrong?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

With the first pick in the 2010 NFL draft, the Washington Redskins choose Clint Gresham, long snapper, TCU. ::clapping::

Posted by: hackeynut | October 20, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES? I DON'T CARE IF THEY BRING IN KEANU REEVES FOR CHRIST SAKE...

F DANNY
F CERRATO
F EM' ALL

LET ME KNOW WHEN THEY GET A GM!

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 20, 2009 2:51 PM

Did you watch Point Break last night too?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

If there were any justice in this world, either $nyder or Cerrato would suit up and play QB so they could see what it feels like to be pummled to death with the gimps and amateurs currently staffing our Offensive Line.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 20, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

It's only a matter of time before Randle El gets snaps in the Stray Cat offense.

Posted by: bigtom34 | October 20, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Maybe JC will snap out of it the way McNab bounced back after his benching.

Oh, who am I kidding...

Posted by: edvar | October 20, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Every time I hear JC talk I get this mental picture of Chance Gardner ... "Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again. And all be well in the garden"

Posted by: hock1 | October 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Any time I see Keanu Reeves mentioned on here. My mind goes to "The Replacements".

And then my mind gets bitter that the NFL will let "Invincible" and "The Garbage Picking Field Goal Kicking Philadelphia Phenomenon" be made about NFL teams but when someone makes a story about a great moment in Redskins History they cant get the rights to the real NFL team and have to use fake lame teams.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES? I DON'T CARE IF THEY BRING IN KEANU REEVES FOR CHRIST SAKE...

F DANNY
F CERRATO
F EM' ALL

LET ME KNOW WHEN THEY GET A GM!

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 20, 2009 2:51 PM

Did you watch Point Break last night too?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse


Special Agent Johnny Utah! Starting QB!

Posted by: hackeynut | October 20, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

He is? Wow I wish we had an asleep QB who had chucked 6 TDs in the last 2 weeks and 14 for the season.

Posted by: chrislarry |

Its the play calling..They call the stuff to take advantage of the d-fense..Zorn called play because he always wanted to..Fantasy Island plays...He dream of Jeanie plays...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

pps, no kidding, like I called the 78 yard run and the 42 yard pass to moss, but the safety, that was collins screwing up, and the runs that lost yardage..those were on cp....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Yea the quote you posted reminded me of all of his post game statements.


If a HB pass on 3rd and goal doesn't work, well that's on the execution. Jim Zorn calls plays to work. If they don't work it's not because the play call was bad it was the execution.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse


To bad we don't have a BMitch to fill in as emergency QB this time around.

Posted by: skinswest | October 20, 2009 2:42 PM

Eh....Hate to inform you, but BMitch will be getting inducted that night in the Ring of Fame. He choose that game because he played for the Eagles, too. How many fights will be started because both teams will be claiming him?

That's kind of F'd up BMitch....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Special Agent Johnny Utah! Starting QB!

Posted by: hackeynut | October 20, 2009 2:58 PM

I dunno, I think I'd prefer Gary Busey as our starting QB. Talk about some fun times.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 20, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

pps, no kidding, like I called the 78 yard run and the 42 yard pass to moss, but the safety, that was collins screwing up, and the runs that lost yardage..those were on cp....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the Nationals Center Fielder Morgan/Plush. If the play is made right thats Tony Plush. If he drops a ball its on Morgan.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 20, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

No matter who plays QB this Redskins team is surely to finish 2-14. They simple lack the talent to be a contender. Except for very few players like L.Fletcher or Cooley, the rest are just overpaid, overrated and self-proclaimed "great", but a no show on the field, players. The O line stinks and the CB and S can’t cover anybody. Defense is so bad that, even though, the Chiefs have one of the worst offenses in the league, they scored 12 points on them which could have been many more had not the Chiefs receivers dropped about 8 to 12 sure passes. What’s even worse, the Chiefs had the ball for "15" more minutes than the Redskins offense. It’s a fact that the Redskins offense was going 3 and out most of the time, but if you have a strong defense, like "they" say they have, the Chiefs should not have scored at all.

Posted by: eyebran | October 20, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

They could rotate Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and John Elway back there, as long as The Danny is the owner, they're not going anywhere..

Posted by: SMWE357 | October 20, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I now think it's time to fire Zorn. Jason Dumbell is a big part of the Skins problem and they can't win with him in there...

Posted by: FedUp8 | October 20, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I now think it's time to fire Zorn. Jason Dumbell is a big part of the Skins problem and they can't win with him in there...

Posted by: FedUp8 | October 20, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Zorn to McNabb (as Tawny):

Take that, B**ch!

Posted by: ElYeah | October 20, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's see---we were 6-2 to begin last year and then our OL fell apart. So, we draft Orakpo, who is doing well, but we didn't draft an offensive lineman in 2008! Now 3/5ths of our OL couldn't start anywhere in the league but here. Our three second picks from 2007 are useless. So when we run a pass play, their D just covers Moss and Cooley.

How did we get into this mess? Oh, yeah. Now I remember, Gibbs left Synrato fired G Williams and Saunders, who went to New Orleans and Baltimore (and how are they doing?). Then Dannyboy thought he could hire an offensive coordinator and then a head coach, not realizing, after 8 YEARS IN THE NFL, that it is the othe way around.

So, anyone got a couple of Billion to get rid of Snyder?

Posted by: theStockman | October 20, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

How about Campbell, Collins and Randle El in shotgun formation at the same time. Do you think that would work Snyder you moron?

Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

boy this is tiring.... there are no answers here on offense, our incompetant owner/management has hired an incompetant coach to go with an utterly untalented collection of offensive players....no leadership, no play making, no toughness really nothing we do or can do well... there is just nothing you can say after 22 games ( really longer) we haven't had a good offense since norv.....what I am rooting for now and suggesting you hope for as well is for total and final humulation over these last 10 games ...pants down red in the face embarasement...this and only this will convince boy wonder to fire cerrato and hire the best football mind he can and let that person hire a coach and build the team.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 20, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I now think it's time to fire Zorn. Jason Dumbell is a big part of the Skins problem and they can't win with him in there...

Posted by: FedUp8

We all saw how GREAT Collins was last week. Although JC isn't great, he's far from the problem. Zoron's best chance to win is with JC.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"I gotta think there may have been a worse quarterback sometime during the team history -- perhaps during the Great Depression or WW II eras -- but I can't think of who it might be."

You don't have to go back that far. Remember a certain gentleman named Heath Schuler?

Heck, I'd probably even take Campbell over Jay Schroeder. The Schroeder-for-Lachey trade with the Raiders has to qualify as one of the biggest fleecing jobs of all time.

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 20, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

So...take top 5 pick and trade down. Then draft 2 OL?

Posted by: dclifer97 | October 20, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

TFKAR: Team Formerly Known as Redskins-- if it worked for Prince, let's consider using that term for this group of players and its pin-headed ownership. "Go TFKARs, protect your QB!"

Actually, I urge the WaPo reporters to begin calling the team the "Snyderattos"-- let's put the blame/attention where it belongs. Let's get the bloggers and callers to sports radio to take up this new name. Have a contest to pick a new team mascot! The mascot could be called "DanVin"-- I will leave it to others to suggest what cartoonish character DanVin would approximate.

Then, when this owner sells the team for a huge profit (gee: what a surprise), we can revert to the old name and fight song.

Let's quit tarnishing the team of Sammy Baugh, of Sonny, of Bobby Mitchell, of Charlie Taylor, of Art Monk and the Hogs by using the same name that described those hallowed teams.

Posted by: wevans3 | October 20, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I've got an idea for the mascot DanVin - it would be two guys having butt sex.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 20, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

yall still see me in my burgundy 21 on monday night, dont matter how much we suck, it dont change how much i hate philly, f da eagles

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 20, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

todaysskins14

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 20, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

wow Coach Zero says that Campbell will start this week.

Unfortunately we have to see what plays the Mystery Offensive Coordinator decides to call, to see who will throw the ball LOL

Posted by: dubya1938 | October 20, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

...seriously I want to know by what criteria "the Man in Charge" decided that Zorn would no longer call plays.

What could that criteria possibly be? "they lost to the 3rd no-win team in a row"?

So was that decided *ahead* of time, or afterwards? What if they had lost 49-38 instead of 14-6 or whatever? What if they had actually won all of their games...by some brutal combination of field goals and "TAINT's" without scoring a single TD? What if Campbell had no interceptions but no TDs either? Didn't Derek Anderson win last week by completing TWO passes the entire game? And Drew Brees, two games in a row before throwing a touchdown...wouldn't that give you a lot of confidence before playing the Giants?

In other words, is the Danny just sticking his finger up his butt, pulling it out, and waving it in the air to make his decisions?

Why don't they go hire some old coach with 3 superbowl wins and promise him Complete Control? What, that didn't work out the last time? LOL

So what do they expect, the next guy to just walk in here and win a Super Bowl? What do they expect, seriously? 8-8, 9-7, 11-5 (not enough last year for the Patriots to get into the playoffs!), 12-4...14-2, what?

What the hell is the point of having a "head coach" who can't even call his own plays!!!!!!

What a frigging joke

Posted by: dubya1938 | October 20, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

That's what happens when you twice lose to the same team in the Playoffs and think the answer is to hire a coach any coach from that same football team.

Pathetic..

Posted by: DesiHungama | October 20, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, yeah. Now I remember, Gibbs left Synrato fired G Williams and Saunders, who went to New Orleans and Baltimore (and how are they doing?)."

Greg Williams ok, Saunders not so much. That's the thing, the Ravens are what, one win ahead of the Skins?

The only difference is the winning percentage of the teams that they've lost to. But it doesn't matter *that* much. What matters, as always, is how they do against the rest of their division. You could easily have argued that the Giants exposed Zorn, and replaced him then, then lost maybe the next game and won the next two, and be one game ahead of where you are now. Or the same, or one less. So the real issue is what do now.

But de-balling the head coach is so not the way to run a team.

Unless they get into the playoffs this year, not to mention win the SC! Then you can say that it's genius :)

So the only question now is whether the Skins will do better, a lot better, without Zorn calling the plays (plus whatever other stupid move the Skins management pulls between now and the end of the year) or *with* Zorn calling the plays (and remember, the Danny hired Zorn to coach, Zorn did not hire the Danny to run the team). So it's not just a matter of how things turn out now that Coach Zero is no longer behind the controls (and face it, he isn't if he can't even call the plays. Doesn't matter who he puts on the field, someone has to throw the ball, run and catch it and the guy who calls the plays decides that). You also have to consider how they might have turned out if the Dummy had not pulled the controls away from Coach Zero.

Posted by: dubya1938 | October 20, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is dumber than I thought. JC sucks and going right back to him only tells him that he can play as crappy as possible with no consequences. Pha 44 Skins 13. You suck Campbell and hopefully you'll get injured because that's the only way to rid this team of you.

Posted by: theBozyn | October 20, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Campbell isn't exactly fleet footed himself, and is also without a true quick release. This contributes to his downfall in the NFL (and why he will never start for a legimate contender).

Zorn will not be around come Tues morning.
Eagles 37
Skins 6

Posted by: wizard5 | October 20, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I think the chances are very good that one or both of our QBs get injured over the next few games coming up.

That's right. Maybe BOTH of them. Randle El at QB.

I wish people would stop saying "it can't get any worse" and "there's only one way to go from here."

I learned NEVER to say that when I was going through my divorce.

they'll learn.

It'll get worse. If it can, it will. It can.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 20, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

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