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Zorn on Largent: 'Oh, yeah, we've talked'

Redskins Coach Jim Zorn said he spoke to Steve Largent, his longtime friend and former teammate, about remarks Largent made in two Wednesday interviews -- one with a Seattle radio station, the other with the Washington Post. Largent said Zorn's "choice was either to resign or to continue on under the current scenario," in which he has ceded play-calling to offensive consultant Sherman Lewis.

"We've talked," Zorn said after practice Thursday. "Oh, yeah, we've talked."

Both Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins' executive vice president of football operations, and Zorn issued statements Wednesday night denying that the Redskins had issued Zorn an ultimatum. Other sources close to the situation, however, indicated that was the case. In talking about Largent's comments Thursday, Zorn did not say that what Largent said was untrue.

"I just called Steve and said, 'Ahem' -- I don't know if you can make a word out of that -- 'hmmmmmm', because what can I do?" Zorn said. "It's just created another thing to talk about. And I really want to get to football, and not to all the stuff that's going on, so that's what I'm trying to concentrate on."

By Barry Svrluga  |  October 22, 2009; 5:23 PM ET
 
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ahhhuuumm

Posted by: mul123 | October 22, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

1st and 10 on Monday night....

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

John Kent Cook took time today to say that 55 percent inheratence tax was a bad thing (ugg). And that his daddy wanted him to own the team ugg. And Norv was on the right track.

Zorn is done who cares anymore.

Posted by: mul123 | October 22, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Of course, after the "ahhhuuumm" for delay of game, it will not be 1st and 10...

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah whatever. I don't get why Zorn just doesn't speak his mind.

What's he got to lose? Get fired? He's already going to be. He doesn't have to go out of his way to call anyone out but he could either just refuse to answer or say it how it happed.

Posted by: Gweez | October 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Do you think the head coaching job of the Redskins is like the ONE RING?

No because people would rather coach the Rams I suppose.

Posted by: mul123 | October 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Hip, hip, ahem!

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I cant quit you Zorn. I love me some zorn. Flash back to when he was introduced I we all knew he was dooooomed.

Posted by: mul123 | October 22, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

In with a incoherent press conference out with an ahem.

Biblical

Posted by: mul123 | October 22, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Largent was a politician. Wouldn't shock me if he decided to throw some heat onto Cerrato just to defend his friend.

Thing is, only 2 people really know what happened, Cerrato and Zorn, and neither will say.

The real issue is, who consumes this information and how is it used.

My guess is the most important consumer of this information are the people who might wish to work for the Redskins. Especially the next HC. Not many people enjoy working for a person they can't trust.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Jason, I just sent you an e-mail. I think the Skins are planning to fire Zorn after Monday's game, whether they win or lose. Everything Snyder and Cerrato have been doing seems to be setting this up to happen.

Perhaps you can find a way to verify this and break the story (if there is a story to break).

Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, yeah, we've talked."

Jim: Steve....I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate you taking up for me.

Steve: Come on Jim....we're boys. Plus, I can't stand those two azzclowns that are running that team.

Jim: Gosh....when you're right, you're right. I just wish you would've been more persistent in telling me this was a no win situation.

Steve: Hang in there Jim, everybody in the media and in real football circles know you were doomed before you started.

Jim: Yeah, what are you doing next weekend? I have a feeling I may be free, if you want to go extreme mountain biking.

Steve: Cool....by the way, stop by Snyder and Cerrato's office today, tell them you spoke to me, tell them I said go f yourself.

Posted by: ksquare | October 22, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Jason, I just sent you an e-mail. I think the Skins are planning to fire Zorn after Monday's game, whether they win or lose. Everything Snyder and Cerrato have been doing seems to be setting this up to happen.

Perhaps you can find a way to verify this and break the story (if there is a story to break).

Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse


ahem

Posted by: mul123 | October 22, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Good one.

Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will but former Coach Zorn was a nice guy who got chewed up by the Snyderatto.

Vinny has failed as GM but is still here, why?

Would love to our new Coach Gray have the jewels, get up and say "I'll try my best to win, but until the owner changes the way he runs the team, don't expect too much"

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 22, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"I just called Steve and said, 'Ahem' -- I don't know if you can make a word out of that -- 'hmmmmmm', because what can I do?"

By Barry Svrluga | October 22, 2009; 5:23 PM ET

I think he was misquoted. He didn't say 'ahem.' He said 'amen.'

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Oh yeah, we talked.. and we decided to stay mum on the issue because, ahem, there's nothing really to talk about. Thanks, guys.. I gotta go get ready for Monday night's game."

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Snyder will sell the team and move it to L.A.

Then what BASTERDS!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 22, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Omar Gaither out for season
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 22, 2009 2:07 PM ET
Middle linebacker has been a dangerous position for the Eagles this season.

More than two months after the team lost starter Stewart Bradley for the season, the Eagles announced Thursday that Omar Gaither will miss the rest of the year because of a Lisfranc sprain in his foot that will require surgery.

Gaither was hurt in last week's loss to Oakland, and had previously been replaced on running downs by the signing of Jeremiah Trotter. Zach Miller of the Raiders gave Trotter (and other whiffing Eagles defenders) trouble all game.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should sit on the bench during the game and collect a check. Something plenty of Redskins are used to doing..ahem..Arrington, Brandon Lloyd, Archuletta, Brunell, Jansen, Smoot, AHEMM..I'm rooting for Zorn.

Posted by: MadeRED | October 22, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

It doesnt matter who calls the plays...I know that Zorn said that Lewis doesn't know the blitz pickups and the protection schemes...well, Zorn knew the pickups and the schemes and we still sucked at them when HE was calling the plays......so it all comes down to monday night...cerrato and snyder will come to the realization that the team that they assembled sux and try to place the blame on something else.

Posted by: kickass10101 | October 22, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will but Jim Zorn is a nice guy who got chewed up BY THE NFL.

Guy can't coach. Can. Not. Coach.

Snyderatto may have jumped up and down on the road kill, but Jim Zorn was hit by the "Can't Coach" Coach at around 90 miles an hour.

He's a nice guy. Not a motivator. Not an innovator. Not a playcaller.

This is nothing to be ashamed of, he's literaly out of his league. Go back to NCAA like the Ol' Ball Coach, Dave Wanstadt, and a host of other guys who don't have it. You'll be fine.


BTW, John K. Cooke is a sissy-boy crybaby. Norv was not "on the right track", Norv was wrecking the team with a crowbar while JKC stood there and pulled his pud.

How many Super Bowls has old Pineapple Face won there in SD? Has the most TALENTED TEAM IN THE LEAGUE and look at his record.

He's a chump.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 22, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should sit the bench Monday night and just collect a check from Snyder...something he should be used to..AHEMM Arrington, Brandon Lloyd, Archuletta, Janseon, Smoot, Brunell, ...Ahem! See a pattern here Cerrato?? I'm pulling for Zorn. Everyone else comes here to take Snyder's money...why not him. Get in line buddy...at least your money's guaranteed.

Posted by: MadeRED | October 22, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will but former Coach Zorn was a nice guy who got chewed up by the Snyderatto.

Vinny has failed as GM but is still here, why?

Would love to our new Coach Gray have the jewels, get up and say "I'll try my best to win, but until the owner changes the way he runs the team, don't expect too much"

Posted by: noonefromtampa

Zorn got chewed up by Zorn. The talent on this team is way better than its record, especially given the cupcake schedule.

The sins of the front office are massive, but this team should have been winning games against the teams it has played.

The rest of the year, vs a tougher schedule, that's when the front office's failures should have been exposed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Snyder will sell the team and move it to L.A.

Then what BASTERDS!

Posted by: rickyroge

Wha? How can he do both?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

norv wasnt wrecking the team u idiot he took us one horribly field goal kick away from the nfc championship then the next year fired. that was snyders first yearbred johnsons last then he went to tampa and won the whoile damn thing. we had the right qb and a decent coach and snyder destroyed it and we havent been the same since including gibb's second term here

Posted by: mudman220 | October 22, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Look, playcalling is an arcane art. It's made even more mysterious because instead of having standard terminology, head coaches often have their own. It's complicated, and expecting Sherm to pick it up in a week is like expecting CP to cut back. Not going to happen.

Having said that, Zorn's problems seem to stem not from blitz pickups and the other mumbo-jumbo, but an inability to sense what will work and what won't.

Why run the ball left 3 times in a row? Why not have play action or naked bootlegs in the Red Zone? Why follow up a long run with a 5 step drop? It just doesn't make sense.

I think there's other problems. Like patterns that have everyone within 7 yards of the LOS when the defense has 10 guys in the box. What are you thinking? There are no lanes to throw the slant, the CB are jumping the outs.

Zorn has been doing better this year, a problem has been that JC waits for guys to clear rather than throwing to a spot. Either Campbell is unable to be trained to do that, or he's not getting enough reps in practice doing it. My money is on not enough reps.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 22, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Dude, Norv has had a great team in SD. Great. HOF'ers al over the place! He took them over at 14-2 for gosh sakes.

He's been to the playoffs, but hasn't won a SB, despite years of what should be excellence.

A GREAT TEAM!

Look at his castoffs: Drew Brees. Michael Turner. Those are All-Pro guys.

Joe Gibbs would have won 3 SB with Turner's teams.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 22, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Any Skins fan that doesn't regret that John Cooke lost the team to Snyder is a ruh-tard.

Norv sucks for sure, he had a good team which would have eventually underachieved IF Cooke had kept the team. By what like 1999/2000? Cooke would have had to have fired both Casserly and Norv, and would have hired new GM/FO and coaching staff. To think Cooke would have stuck with Norv from 1996 til now is straight tart.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Been away from the blog for a few hours, haven't kept up with the comments, but in case no one else posted this link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81397a02

Posted by: freakzilla | October 22, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Snyder will sell the team and move it to L.A.

Then what BASTERDS!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 22, 2009 6:05 PM

Sell and move? LOL

BTW- Snyder's a lifelong Redskin fan- he'll never sell the team.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Are they wearing burgundy and black on Monday night?

Posted by: jnsbear | October 22, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

A DEBACLE '09 ® Special Report


There is an interesting dynamic taking place between Zorn, Cerrato and Snyder.

Can't say I know all the parts to it, but each person has both power and issues. Some thoughts.

Zorn/Danny

Zorn has power in the sense that he can expose Danny and make it much harder and more expensive for him to hire the next guy. If Zorn says the story about Cerrato waving a contract in front of him is true, the next guy being interviewed for the HC job is going to want a much bigger and more iron clad contract. It'll cost Danny in a big way. Make no mistake, if Cerrato waved a contract in Zorn's face, it was with Danny's blessing -- otherwise Danny would have to fire Vinny for that sort of thing. Zorn, I'm guessing, is probably most interested in taking the high road with Danny -- as long as it comes with the money. To be clear, Danny's power is that he holds the money -- this is easily the biggest paycheck Zorn has ever seen. And he won't be seeing it again. Zorn has every reason to take both the money and the high road -- unless someone decides to mess with him.

Cerrato/Zorn

As for Zorn and Cerrato, Zorn holds a similar card as he holds with Danny, but perhaps its even more damaging to Vinny. Imagine if Zorn walks away from the job and says nice things about Snyder and fingers Vinny. Vinny is already despised by Skins fans and would have few job prospects if Snyder axed him. Plus there are few things Danny could do that would improve his popularity more than axing Vinny. Cerrato obviously holds a higher position in the organization than Zorn, but actually holds a very weak hand in the relationship. Zorn is already on his way out, its just a matter of how much $$ he collects. If Zorn decides to do a hatchet job with Vinny on his way out, it makes it almost a guarantee that any coach will not sign a new contract with Vinny in the house. In reality, Zorn has less to lose than Vinny does.

Snyder/Cerrato

Cerrato, as we have all speculated on, has some weird relationship with Snyder. As many have speculated, its seems that they need to stick together or both will go down in flames. Its impossible to know who holds the cards. Snyder has more $$ and is the boss. But he has also more to lose -- up to and perhaps including the team itself.

The bottom line on this is rather intriguing.

There are 3 relationships, each goes in 2 directions for a total of 6 directions. If any one of the 6 goes bad ... all six will go bad.

Its dominoes. So far, the 3 guys are willing to shake the table, with the Largent comments shaking it pretty hard. But no one is willing to tip one over.

So far.

********
Providing continuing insight into DEBACLE '09 ® since last week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Are they wearing burgundy and black on Monday night?

Posted by: jnsbear | October 22, 2009 6:45 PM

With arrow and feather on their helmets! I've certainly missed that. I think it went out since Spurrier stepped down.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Freak, thanks...very insightful article. NFL.com's formatting is horrible (hello bigger text, paragraph breaks!) but that was a good read.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

But no one is willing to tip one over.

So far.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 6:49 PM

*tweet!*

The continuous sound of referee's whistle calling on Redskins' delay of the game penalties the 10th time while witnessing Zorn arguing with Sherm Lewis over play-calling could tip it over.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

the suckiness of snyder and cerrato is why I have been known to defend players like portis and Campbell.

Its amazing how people know so much about the coaches and players skills even though we all acknowledge that the team is MIS managed.

How the f can play calling be analyzed behind snyderratos O line?

How can people say portis is done even though he's 7 th in rushing and 4 th last year on a cruddy offense with a depleted O line?

People call Campbell a back up, how can they possibly know this? You know who else looked like a backup, Orton! When a team is good that is when players reach their potential or over achieve.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 22, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

*tweet*

Snyder looks on and pulls his hair out of frustration and goes, "ARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!" on National Television.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

But no one is willing to tip one over.

So far.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 6:49 PM

*tweet!*

The continuous sound of referee's whistle calling on Redskins' delay of the game penalties the 10th time while witnessing Zorn arguing with Sherm Lewis over play-calling could tip it over.

Posted by: RedCherokee

Nope, that won't do it ... because the dynamic relationships that are taking place between those 3 guys aren't really about the football games. They are about power and money.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Just a rumor, but I heard 'Lil Dan asked the Commish to be granted an additional three timeouts per half to avoid a SNAFU with getting the calls in on time. Can anyone confirm?

Posted by: jnsbear | October 22, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

"Jason, I just sent you an e-mail. I think the Skins are planning to fire Zorn after Monday's game, whether they win or lose. Everything Snyder and Cerrato have been doing seems to be setting this up to happen.

Perhaps you can find a way to verify this and break the story (if there is a story to break).

Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 5:42 PM"

Yup, he can sandwich it in between the other two stories the WaPo is getting ready to break:

The sun is very hot!

and

Rain...still wet.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 22, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah whatever. I don't get why Zorn just doesn't speak his mind.

What's he got to lose? Get fired? He's already going to be. He doesn't have to go out of his way to call anyone out but he could either just refuse to answer or say it how it happed.

Posted by: Gweez | October 22, 2009 5:35 PM

Rumor is that there are clauses in his contract about speaking ill of the owner, and/or detailing the content of FO meetings publicly, as being grounds for dismissal without pay.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 22, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I know, zeke. I'm just being humorous. This whole debacle disgusts me and I can't do anything about it. It's either getting an ulcer or being humorous.. obviously I choose the latter.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Okay, then we are all agreed that Zorn will be fired after Monday's game before the bye week is out.

Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

How can people say Portis is done even though he's 7 th in rushing and 4 th last year on a cruddy offense with a depleted O line?

-

Making the obvious cut back on that long run against the chefs and taking it to the house instead of getting tackled by the ONE GUY left even though he had Sellers blocking for him might have helped quiet a few critics. Everybody in the stadium and watching at home saw it but CP.

D'oh!

Posted by: edvar | October 22, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah whatever. I don't get why Zorn just doesn't speak his mind.

What's he got to lose? Get fired? He's already going to be. He doesn't have to go out of his way to call anyone out but he could either just refuse to answer or say it how it happed.

Posted by: Gweez

If Zorn speaks his mind, it probably costs him $3million. Its all about this tenuous balance of power that was in the recent DEBACLE '09 ® Special Report

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The only thing agreed is Zorn staying medium.. that won't sit well with the owner. If Snyder sees any sort of medium, he's gonna go bananas with an axe screaming "GO HIGH OR LOW!!"

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I know, zeke. I'm just being humorous. This whole debacle disgusts me and I can't do anything about it. It's either getting an ulcer or being humorous.. obviously I choose the latter.

Posted by: RedCherokee

gotcha ... and I'm glad you can find some humor in here ... not everyone does

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

...You know who else looked like a backup, Orton!...

Posted by: pabrian2003


I dunno pabrian. Orton has a 25-12 record. I can't think of any young backups with that type of winning percentage.

here is a video of why the Broncos chose Orton over Campbell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaQ7wog1Kog

Posted by: Vicc | October 22, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

...You know who else looked like a backup, Orton!...

Posted by: pabrian2003

Hmmmm... Orton, Purdue
Campbell, Auburn
Hmmmm...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 22, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

daniel snyder sucks

Posted by: BMACattack | October 22, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

yes, Daniel Snyder does indeed suck. He sucks bigtime. He sucks big, smelly, hairy a$$cracks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 22, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

here is a video of why the Broncos chose Orton over Campbell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaQ7wog1Kog

Posted by: Vicc |

Did you notice that Orton had blocking. He could throw the ball and stand there and watch.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 22, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

The rest of the year, vs a tougher schedule, that's when the front office's failures should have been exposed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Dude, our fo follies were exposed when dhall couldnt tackle randy moss in the preseason OR mario manningham on the first game.

I love how people keep blaming jim zorn. The dude has more football knowledge in his dingleberries than you have in your tiny little monkey brain. Stop thinking you know all the answers you don't. Obviously since you think us loosing to 4 no win teams is not because our players suck, but because they're talented?? Please dude, get with reality. The redskins suck, and they always will be a joke as long as jewey mcjewerson owns them.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 22, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

All kidding aside, I seriously hope Zorn stays throughout the season and win the rest of the games. Highly unlikely, I know.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Did you notice that Orton had blocking. He could throw the ball and stand there and watch.

Posted by: jmy999


4sho. I did notice it. Good point.

did you notice Orton's anticipation?

Posted by: Vicc | October 22, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Coach Szovati's Gameplan vs. the Eagles.
Run the ball down their thoats - if we drop back to pass EVERY DOWN we will fall right into their hands. Let's follow Tampa Bay's double TE formula that beat up and down their own home field. Our defense is getting better and finally getting to QB's. Since Mcnabb is very fumble prone, I say attack, attack, attack him but beware of the stupid little screen pass to Westbrook. Cooley is the key reciever on offense. 20-17 Redskins win.

Posted by: lszovati | October 22, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Scamp is challenging Reddmv FOR cussing crown on RI! Getcha your popcorn ready!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Probably the best thing Snyder could do right now is get Joe Gibbs back to manage the organization, and let him make the important hires that need to be made to get the Skins back on track.

But it looks like Gibbs has too much on his plate with NASCAR for this to happen.

Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

the suckiness of snyder and cerrato is why I have been known to defend players like portis and Campbell.

Its amazing how people know so much about the coaches and players skills even though we all acknowledge that the team is MIS managed.

How the f can play calling be analyzed behind snyderratos O line?

How can people say portis is done even though he's 7 th in rushing and 4 th last year on a cruddy offense with a depleted O line?

People call Campbell a back up, how can they possibly know this? You know who else looked like a backup, Orton! When a team is good that is when players reach their potential or over achieve.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 22, 2009 7:10 PM

Yeah, I actually agree with most of what you say here pabrian2003. Especially about the QB, your comment about Orton is right on. No one thought Orton was a good/great QB before the season. Mark Rypien was NOT a good Q!B when he started playing for Gibbs, in fact before the 1991 season he faced a lot of criticism about his uneven performances in 1989 and 1990. When it come to QBs I like what Phil Simms says - as long as the physical tools are there, you can develop a really good QB QB for a system that works well. Worked for Simms, too.

About RBs, I am not as sure. Yes if there was a better Oline Portis would have a better year right now, and yeah Gibbs won with three different RBs (and 3 different Olines for the most part, as well). But CP is not as fast as he used to be. Look at the 78 yd run - he looked more like a lumbering Cooley than the original CP that came from Denver in 2004. And that's only natural, he has a lot of mileage. To me he just looks different, and slower this year.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 22, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn and Largent orchestrated this thing to bring the fans to Zorn's corner. Largent was a state representative and knows how to work the public. He knew exactly what he was doing. The more he publicly denies it, the more it looks like there's arm twisting going on behind the scenes - especially with Vinny denying it because no one trusts what he says. Good for Zorn.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, there is a lot of strange stuff going on here between the FO and Zorn. Others are speculating the Largent interview is orchestrated by Zorn too (Wilbon, Mosely too I think). Makes sense.

Zorn is not going to lose a lot in the long-term if he hangs in there and collects on his guaranteed money. I think most professional NFL people feel bad for Zorn having to deal with Snyder and Ceratto, and so I think damage to his coaching reputation is not going to be terrible after this. He does not seem to be head coach material, but he can still coach on a staff somewhere else and will probably get that chance next year.

My thing is that Snyder is slowly angering every coaching staff in the NFL, so that soon every team in the NFL is going to play the Redskins extra hard.

Awesome.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 22, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Why are the Redskins ranked 27th in the power rankings. 30th seems the tops to me.

Also know more JC analysis just stop it.

STOOOOOp it.

Vinny and Danny just channel the anger and rage.

Posted by: mul123 | October 22, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Flash back

We are going through a process.

Hahahahaha

Posted by: mul123 | October 22, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Did you notice that Orton had blocking. He could throw the ball and stand there and watch.

Posted by: jmy999


4sho. I did notice it. Good point.

did you notice Orton's anticipation?

Posted by: Vicc


Did you notice Orton had Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal getting open?

Posted by: dcwun | October 22, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, yeah, we've talked."

"Jim: Steve....I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate you taking up for me.

Steve: Come on Jim....we're boys. Plus, I can't stand those two azzclowns that are running that team.

Jim: Gosh....when you're right, you're right. I just wish you would've been more persistent in telling me this was a no win situation.

Steve: Hang in there Jim, everybody in the media and in real football circles know you were doomed before you started.

Jim: Yeah, what are you doing next weekend? I have a feeling I may be free, if you want to go extreme mountain biking.

Steve: Cool....by the way, stop by Snyder and Cerrato's office today, tell them you spoke to me, tell them I said go f yourself."

That is so right on, its not even funny.


Posted by: jefferboy | October 22, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is not going to lose a lot in the long-term if he hangs in there and collects on his guaranteed money. I think most professional NFL people feel bad for Zorn having to deal with Snyder and Ceratto, and so I think damage to his coaching reputation is not going to be terrible after this.

Posted by: hithere1

Not to mention he has crap to work with! Who would other teams clamor to obtain?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 22, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

yea cL, this phukin' fo makes me want to split their skulls. i want to rip off Danny's skinny little pencil neck and sh!t down his punk a$$ throat.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 22, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn and Largent orchestrated this thing to bring the fans to Zorn's corner. Largent was a state representative and knows how to work the public. He knew exactly what he was doing. The more he publicly denies it, the more it looks like there's arm twisting going on behind the scenes - especially with Vinny denying it because no one trusts what he says. Good for Zorn.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

F Zoron. Nobody is in his corner. Largent is an overrated bum anyway. As a politician, he has mastered the art of deception well. His boy is a horrible coach. Nice guy who stays medium and all, but a bad coach.

Posted by: dcwun | October 22, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Freak, thanks...very insightful article. NFL.com's formatting is horrible (hello bigger text, paragraph breaks!) but that was a good read.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 6:50 PM


I think something must be up with their server, because when I first read it, it looked fine. But I just looked at the page again and I see what you're talking about.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 22, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I will say this one more time and then I won't keep repeating it since most of you don't seem to be interested anyway:

Jim Zorn will likely be replaced next week by Jerry Gray, who will take over as the interim head coach.

I believe Danny and Vinny decided this several weeks ago. But if they were going to do it they needed someone that they wanted to take over the offense or at least call the plays (since Zorn will be gone). That is the real reason "the other set of eyes" was brought in, but he needed a few weeks to get up to speed on the offense.

The obvious reason Zorn won't be relaying the plays to Jason as was originally reported is because Zorn won't be here after next week anyway, so why not just start going through Sherman Smith to relay plays, since it will be that way for the rest of the year (unless Smith decides to resign).

That's my hypothesis anyway from what I have observed. I guess we will find out next week.

Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

F Zoron. Nobody is in his corner. Largent is an overrated bum anyway. As a politician, he has mastered the art of deception well. His boy is a horrible coach. Nice guy who stays medium and all, but a bad coach.

Posted by: dcwun
wrong on al points DC.

Many are in Zorns corner as a decent person, he probably is in over his head, but it's the FO that has screwed the pooch on this hire.
Largent having mastered the art of deception makes him perfect for DC and congress.
Well, you were right on one point afterall, he is a terrible coach.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 22, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

wrong on al points DC.

Many are in Zorns corner as a decent person, he probably is in over his head, but it's the FO that has screwed the pooch on this hire.
Largent having mastered the art of deception makes him perfect for DC and congress.
Well, you were right on one point afterall, he is a terrible coach.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

What sense does it make to "be in the corner" of a coach that is this bad? Because he's a good dude? Sorry my man but that's not enough for me.

The FO is as pathetic and never should've hired him but this offensive "genious" has yet to crack 30 points since he got here.

Posted by: dcwun | October 22, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Snyder will sell the team and move it to L.A.

Then what BASTERDS!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 22, 2009 6:05 PM |

Do you think? Snyder's ruts are in DC. But his Science buddies are in LA. Don't know if he could get out of town before the pitchforkers would have Ashburn surrounded.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 22, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The "Washington Slumpbusters" will lose agin this weekend. This has been the easiest money ever the last few weeks. Lay the points, no matter how many!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 22, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

The "Washington Slumpbusters" will lose again this weekend. This has been the easiest money ever the last few weeks. Lay the points, no matter how many!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 22, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

oops, sorry

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 22, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

My thing is that Snyder is slowly angering every coaching staff in the NFL, so that soon every team in the NFL is going to play the Redskins extra hard.

Awesome.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 22, 2009 8:15 PM |

Does you think the coach frat cornsiders Lewis a turncoat for coming in at Snyderrato's behest to look over Z's shoulder and eventually take over the O the way he has done? Course it's not like it will ruin his career or anything.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 22, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

The FO is as pathetic and never should've hired him but this offensive "genious" has yet to crack 30 points since he got here.

Posted by: dcwun | October 22, 2009

Last year, Week 2 against the Saints: 29 points. 14 in the 4th quarter. Following week, 26 against the cowgirls.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Been away from the blog for a few hours, haven't kept up with the comments, but in case no one else posted this link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81397a02

Posted by: freakzilla | October 22, 2009 6:40 PM

That's for the link. The article really confirmed a lot of what I thought about Campbell's personality.

Posted by: TWISI | October 22, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Last year the complete collapse of the offensive line was no more apparent than in weeks 15 and 16 with a devastating loss to the Bungles followed by a razor close defensive win against the Eagles. In that game everyone was back from injuries for the defense. They completely dominated the Eagles.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

This game is hard to predict ... honestly. My gut tell me that these players will look at what Snyder has done and just throw in the towel.

That said. There is the defense. And their coordinator Greg Blache. This is a guy who got his team to complete dominate and dismantle the playoff bound Eagles at the end of last year. If the defense plays that sort of game its anyone's guess who will win. Especially given the Eagles weakness on the left side of their offensive line.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Look, I don't think Zorn is qa good coach and I think letting him go now is the best thing for all concerned. What I think is just wrong is leaving the guy dangling while they give him "an extra set of eyes", then they take away his play calling responsibilities and, now, after one last game, they will finally get rid of him. I mean, be a man and fire the guy. It does no one any good to see the guy publicly humiliated. So, good for Zorn if he gets his licks in on management. They deserve it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 9:19 PM |

Dude - bold arf pls. Thx.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 22, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm saying they beat the EAGLES Monday Night.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 22, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

How many Super Bowls has old Pineapple Face won there in SD? Has the most TALENTED TEAM IN THE LEAGUE and look at his record.

He's a chump.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 22, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Hy-y-y-i LIKE IT!!!! Been sayin' the same about ol' ice-pick face myself since 1993.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 22, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

AND he came out of DALLAS. Nothing good comes out of DALLAS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 22, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

With all the play-calling drama, wouldn't it be great if JC17 just ignored the calls coming from Sherm Lewis and ran his own stuff on the field?
And it would be on nat'l TV!!
C'mon JC17 and Zorn do it!!! You know you guys are finished here in DC, so don't go out like punks!!! Go out with a bang!!!

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, old news, work all day, but exactly what I'm hoping for. Didn't JC say something about having a few plays in his head just in case the exchange wasn't fast enough? Could actually happen...

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Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 22, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

What I think is just wrong is leaving the guy dangling while they give him "an extra set of eyes", then they take away his play calling responsibilities and, now, after one last game, they will finally get rid of him. I mean, be a man and fire the guy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 9:23 PM |

No one nos what has gone on behind the seens. This lengthy progression that the FO is going through in firing the dude may well be the result of his own making. Z was the O. Remember how he said he had to coach the coaches? Barf! Anyway, if they just up and fired him no one would know where to pick up since all knowledge resided in Z's bean, up until Sherm came on board. This way, when they do fire him, at least someone (Sherm) will be adequately knowledgeable about how to carry on my wayward son.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 22, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Didn't JC say something about having a few plays in his head just in case the exchange wasn't fast enough? Could actually happen...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 22, 2009 9:31 PM

Pitiful, isn't it? He should have the whole playbook in his head but he's only got a few plays? Thanks, but I hope he'll just run what Sherm Lewis calls because probably all JC has in his head are the tired Zorn go-to plays -- run Portis, WR screen, quick slant.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"I'm saying they beat the EAGLES Monday Night."

Naa.....

The iggles are competing against the World Series Phillies, the redskins, and the debacle in Oakland last weekend.

If I'm Team Reid, I unleash the hounds thinking the skins might fold quickly if points are up on the board early.

I'm totally interested in how Sherm Lewis calls the game, though.

Will he put the younger receivers on the field in 'trips' or 'bunch' sets?

Will he run with Betts and Mason or just Portis?

Do we get Fred Davis flexed wide or used as a blocking fullback?

A lot of interesting things might happen.

And at the same time, a lot of the same ol' same ol' is expected.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Zorn got chewed up by Zorn. The talent on this team is way better than its record, especially given the cupcake schedule.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Damn, not sure anymore if I agree or disagree. I had opinions on both sides at different times, but we'll sure as hell see.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 22, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should be taking pointers on how to act like a man from Mr. Zorn. What a little weasel. Snyder will always be the kid that everyone picked on.

Posted by: mjwies11 | October 22, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Derrick Frost is tearing it up for the Florida UFL team.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | October 22, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm totally interested in how Sherm Lewis calls the game, though.

Still more interested in how the defense responds. The last game with these guys they completely and totally dominated the Eagles from the first snap. Even though the score was 10-6 due to a completely emasculated offense ... it was an awesome sight to behold.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Al Borges, Campbell's former offensive coordinator at Auburn, and the man who helped turn Campbell from a talented, but inconsistent, underclassman into a first-round draft pick, said toying with Campbell's insecurities is not the way to deal with him if you want him to be productive.

"So much of getting Jason to play well was just trying to work with him from the neck up," said Borges, now the offensive coordinator at San Diego State. "We worked fundamentals and all that but just trying to get his psyche right, to convince him that he was a good player, the player people thought he could be, was how we got so much out of him."

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Jesus. If this pop psychology take on things is true then Campbell has basically been dead meat ever since the Cut and the San dramas in the offseason.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 22, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Derrick Frost is tearing it up for the Florida UFL team.

Is he an offensive tackle? That's all anyone should care about at this point

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Pitiful, isn't it? He should have the whole playbook in his head but he's only got a few plays? Thanks, but I hope he'll just run what Sherm Lewis calls because probably all JC has in his head are the tired Zorn go-to plays -- run Portis, WR screen, quick slant.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Pitiful indeed. But those few plays he's had in hurry up at times seem to work. Maybe it's already been tried.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 22, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

minus the quick slant.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 22, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

peri

"Still more interested in how the defense responds."

I cut the redskins' defense all kinds of slack.

The redskin offense--well, it is a throat that should just be cut.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Will he run with Betts and Mason or just Portis?

Do we get Fred Davis flexed wide or used as a blocking fullback?

A lot of interesting things might happen.

And at the same time, a lot of the same ol' same ol' is expected.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 9:40 PM |

Gonna be hard to use Mason since our jackalope front office fart suckers have decided he's not good enough to be on this team. That sounds funny doesn't it..."Not good enough to be on this team." Like you have to be good to be on this team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 22, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Eagles 50
Redskins 17 Of course!

Posted by: ByRon12 | October 22, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

As much as I think Cerrato must go, as fans, we really don't know our offensive capabilities. Do we really know if Kelly or Thomas can really play and contribute consistently?

Long term...this team needs a complete overhaul.

Short term...I wanna see some new faces and see who can play and who we keep.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 22, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

What IF the Skins beat the Eagles convincingly?

Posted by: rickyroge | October 22, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

libertyvalence

"If this pop psychology take on things is true then Campbell has basically been dead meat ever since the Cut and the San dramas in the offseason"

It also speaks to some very sorry scouting on the part of the redskins.

They draft a soft-minded, thin-skinned college quarterback, and then put him in two offensive systems--Al Saunders' and now Zorn's--that don't match his alleged skills.

And they traded up to get him, but not Aaron Rodgers.

And the guy who made the move to get him--St Joe--is said to be re-thinking a return.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

And the guy who made the move to get him--St Joe--is said to be re-thinking a return.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 10:15 PM

Gibbs didn't draft him to be in 2 different systems. He drafted him to be in a classic Gibbs, power running air it out offense. He ain't meant for the sh!t this bush league pillow biting fo ha sput him in.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 22, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

slickrickyroge

"Do we really know if Kelly or Thomas can really play and contribute consistently?"

Well, that's why some of should be interested in how Sherm Lewis calls plays this week.

When you take a sneak peek at the schedule after the bye, it's a murder's row of scoring teams--Falcons, Saints, Cowboy (2x), Broncos, Giants, and Eagles.

Sherm's got to find some playmakers--let's get these 2008 clowns on the field and put them to work.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should be taking pointers on how to act like a man from Mr. Zorn. What a little weasel. Snyder will always be the kid that everyone picked on.

Posted by: mjwies11 | October 22, 2009 9:44 PM

Dan's not a man.. he's a petulant child hell bent on destroying everything that the Redskins' franchise values the most- its own reputation.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Dan's not a man.. he's a petulant child hell bent on destroying everything that the Redskins' franchise values the most- its own reputation.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 10:27 PM |

He's even worse than that. He's a rich, self important, pompous phukstick that thinks he's always right. You can't tell that turgis piece of dogsh!t anything.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 22, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

"He drafted him to be in a classic Gibbs, power running air it out offense."


Then the failure lies with a front office that didn't draft the power blockers for the offensive line that makes that work.

Which takes back to all of our original points about the o-line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

As much as I think Cerrato must go, as fans, we really don't know our offensive capabilities. Do we really know if Kelly or Thomas can really play and contribute consistently
Posted by: rickyroge

Damn, not sure anymore if I agree or disagree. I had opinions on both sides at different times, but we'll sure as hell see.
Posted by: RomoLongballs

Long term...this team needs a complete overhaul.
Posted by: rickyroge

Agree 100%


Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 22, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

most coaches can only afford to think short-term... that's why I'm NEVER in favor of one person in charge of the front office as well as the football team on the field.

as much as I admire Joe Gibbs, no real GM would ever trade an all pro corner (Champ Bailey) for a running back (Portis) unless the RB is someone like Adrian Peterson.

Posted by: joek443 | October 22, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey dcp2003 and glawrence007,

When you make fun of someone's appearance like you did with Norv Turner, you expose yourselves to the world for what you are, low-life idiots.

Posted by: TrackCollector | October 22, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Damn, not sure anymore if I agree or disagree.

--

It's ok, we'll take it from here.

Cerato MUST GO.

Posted by: edvar | October 22, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

There are 3 relationships, each goes in 2 directions for a total of 6 directions. If any one of the 6 goes bad ... all six will go bad.

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Posted by: zcezcest1

_________________

Why can't we go on as three?

Signed,

David Crosby

Posted by: ElYeah | October 22, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Damn, not sure anymore if I agree or disagree.

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It's ok, we'll take it from here.

Cerato MUST GO.

Posted by: edvar | October 22, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Ph*ck, I've been cropped!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 22, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Although it's difficult today to see beyond the disgust, may looking back in memory help comfort us tomorrow.
It is What It is, or better yet, Same as it ever was.

Posted by: Spanglerg | October 22, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn could be a good coach but he dosn't have the players. Redskinws' scouts and management don't have the eye, and then they go out and spend big bucks on favorites that impact locker room dynamics. Love JC but he's in so way over his head. He just can't learn. Has no trickery. If I know where he's throwing the defense we'replaying knows. Off season shoulda focused on building up the offensive line!

Posted by: jlskinsfan | October 22, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato gotto go. Synder has to move his office away from Redskin park. Hire the right guys and give them the power to do what is needed. Stop the jealously in the locker room. I've never seen a group of players so unwilling to act as a team. That is the owers fault. Zorn got dealt a bad hand. His players can't execute.

Posted by: jlskinsfan | October 22, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

as much as I admire Joe Gibbs, no real GM would ever trade an all pro corner (Champ Bailey) for a running back (Portis) unless the RB is someone like Adrian Peterson.

Posted by: joek443 | October 22, 2009

No wonder Snyder has gotten away with his shenanigans for so long ... no one here seems to watch or read? Bailey desperately wanted to leave ... he was so happy to get away from Snyder and the circus under Snyder he fired 2 or 3 salvos directly at Snyder after he left. And its likely Snyder was seething about Bailey's attitude. Do you really believe that Joe Jackson Gibbs or Greg Williams would give up a guy like that willingly? For a running back? These are the guys who drafted Sean Taylor over all the silly d-line beasts the idiots on this blog were slavering over. Smart move? I think so.

Posted by: periculum | October 23, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Long term...this team needs a complete overhaul.

Unfortunately, have to agree with that assessment. There really is talent but I think Snyder has more than poisoned this well.

Posted by: periculum | October 23, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

What IF the Skins beat the Eagles convincingly?

They did. 10-6 at the end of last year. In spite of the score it was pretty convincing. Also a sign of things to come. They could do it again if the defense is up to it. I just don't think this defense has the leadership that one had. Losing MWash and Shawn Springs hurt that unit more than many here realize.

Posted by: periculum | October 23, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

They draft a soft-minded, thin-skinned college quarterback, and then put him in two offensive systems--Al Saunders' and now Zorn's--that don't match his alleged skills.

Actually three. Gibbs plus Don Breaux, Saunders and now Zorn. I don't know I suspect that if Gibbs had remained (been the younger version?) this guy would now be all-pro. He definitely needs the confidence ... so giving him a good offensive line and a stable offensive system clearly were two requirements that weren't met.

Again Moe, the 2 franchise quarterbacks Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Same offensive system for years and years. Decent to good offensive lines.

Posted by: periculum | October 23, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

This sucks.

Posted by: mark65 | October 23, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

On Moe's query vis-a-vis the game plan. The fact that they released/cut Mason and Alridge has to clue you in? Lewis clearly said they weren't needed. Portis? Betts? Running? Nope, mark my words, this guy is going to throw on first down, probably quick swing passes. Ol' Clinton is going to be running to the bench for oxygen a lot. They're going to send him out and throw to him just like the iggles do with Westbrook. Otherwise he is coming out of the game. Because he knows that won't be a problem for Betts.

Posted by: periculum | October 23, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

• Stopping the Offense Inside the 40
Denny Stolz, Ed Youngs, and Sherman Lewis

Seems like Sherm and Greg Blache must have a lot to talk about as well ...

Posted by: periculum | October 23, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I lay a significant amount of blame on Cerrato.He has missed the mark on every pick in the draft with the exception of the 7th round.Imagine Ryan Clady,Adrian Peterson,Colston,Eddie Royal,among dozens of other misses in the draft.Not to mention the lack of O-line prospects selected.He sucks.

Posted by: mark65 | October 23, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Do we really know if Kelly or Thomas can really play and contribute consistently ...

I think we are about to find out. Unfortunately, I suspect that it will add the Eagles impressive interception and sack totals.

Posted by: periculum | October 23, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Going to bed early on Monday. Thank you Skins for helping me get rid of that awful vice - hours of wasted time watching football.

Posted by: hock1 | October 23, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Do we really know if Kelly or Thomas can really play and contribute consistently ...

This question can never be answer as long as Campbell is the QB, he hasn't realized they have been in the field.

Posted by: hock1 | October 23, 2009 1:32 AM | Report abuse

we need a vertical game with a downhill run...not ur typical west coast, actually not west coast at all, but its what this team is built for

Posted by: hezbollaskins | October 23, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

I lay a significant amount of blame on Cerrato. He has missed the mark on every pick in the draft with the exception of the 7th round.

Posted by: mark65
______________________

Can't say he missed on Orakpo or Jarmon, at least not yet. I want Vinny gone, but I don't think he missed on those.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 23, 2009 3:05 AM | Report abuse

Snyder will sell the team and move it to L.A.

Then what BASTERDS!

Posted by: rickyroge

Wha? How can he do both?

Posted by: chrislarry
_________________________

In an Enron-style intercompany transaction.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 23, 2009 3:18 AM | Report abuse

Losing MWash and Shawn Springs hurt that unit more than many here realize.

Posted by: periculum

fwiw, peri, I was one of the very few who noticed that defensive talent had left the building. Springs, Marcus, Jason Taylor and Demetric Evans.

Mgmt was right to let all go except Evans. The other 3 were highly paid, talented players who made worthy contributions when they played. But they were often hurt and that was a real problem.

Most people seemed to think that just because this trio was injured a bunch, that they made zero contribution. I never discounted what they did, even in what were essentially part time roles.

Truth is, we are more talented than we were in 2008. Albert is a huge upgrade. Orakpo is a very promising talent. Many players are still approaching their peak years, including the entire secondary, save Smoot.

But peri, you are right, even if we are more talented, the chemistry is still not there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 23, 2009 3:29 AM | Report abuse

OK here's the thing that the media has conveniently 'forgotten' to point out about Sherman Lewis. The reason his playcalling didnt work in Minnesota that one year is because Robert Smith had just left the previous year. He had a rookie(Michael Bennett) who wound up gaining less than half of what Robert Smith gained. Without a valid running game, play calling is bound to suffer.
Th8ings are being taken out of context and Lewis is made to look like a failure at playcalling. Not true.
That having been said, Knute Rockne, Lombardi, Gibbs I and Bill Walsh combined wouldnt be able to do much on team that's starting Mike Williams, Rabach, Heyer, Dockery and 'Unknown guy in Skins Uni'. If (when) Lewis is unable to make much of a difference, it's probably not his fault. Is Zorn the right guy for the job? NO.
But he was set up to fail.

Posted by: original_mark | October 23, 2009 5:44 AM | Report abuse

I just figured it out! Danny is gay and in love with Vinny! Secret trysts? No divorce here!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 23, 2009 5:44 AM | Report abuse

Great football teams don't come around often and Zorn was an experiment turned wrong, but these players just don't have what it takes. Does anyone here remember what it was like to have a quarterback that you trusted? I'm 27 and a lifelong skin's fan, and the best one I can think of is Brad SJKing Johnson. Maybe Rypien, but I was 9, he was extemerly pot-marked but he won a suberbowl, so maybe he wins. It will be a long time before this team sniffs greatness. Regardless of what they say, this team just doesn't exert the effort on the field to be a winner. Motivation starts at the top so the coach is somewhat to blame, but ultimatley it lies on the players and they have failed.

Posted by: NickInTheATX | October 23, 2009 5:45 AM | Report abuse

The redskins suck, and they always will be a joke as long as jewey mcjewerson owns them.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 22, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Hahahaha this is far and away one of the funniest things I've seen on here. Oh and they were playing "WINGO" on NFl Live yesterday. A direct insult to the Skins and Sherm Lewis and his prowess as the best bingo caller in the world. We are officially more of a joke then the Lions were last year, and we actually have 2 wins.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 23, 2009 7:14 AM | Report abuse

The redskins suck, and they always will be a joke as long as jewey mcjewerson owns them.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 22, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Hahahaha this is far and away one of the funniest things I've seen on here. Oh and they were playing "WINGO" on NFl Live yesterday. A direct insult to the Skins and Sherm Lewis and his prowess as the best bingo caller in the world. We are officially more of a joke then the Lions were last year, and we actually have 2 wins.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 23, 2009 7:14 AM |

So you think it's funny for someone to come on here and make racial slurs, I wonder if you would think it was funny if the racial slur was at your heritage?

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 23, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

The item that struck me the hardest yesterday was that JC was nervous/tentative going into the game last week.
You're playing one of the worst defenses in the league, one with a couple of major weaknesses. I expect my QB to be thinking 'career day', not 'omygosh will I have enough time to throw'.
Last year at this time, I was beating the drum that JC had to step up -- because attrition was starting to show, and it's a lot easier to hope that one man starts to 'get it' than it is to expect that the whole offense would improve.
I guess he doesn't have it in him. I have to say at this point, it's not me, Jason, it's you.

Posted by: daggar | October 23, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Did you notice Orton had Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal getting open?

Posted by: dcwun | October 22, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse


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Actually they were covered, but b/c Orton anticipated and threw the ball before the receiver made his break, the opposing corner was unable to make a play. *completed pass*

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Ladies and Gentlemen can we please stop acting like CB's are more valuable than RB's? No one here would take Ashomunga or Bailey(arguably the best CB's in the game) over a top flight running back like Peterson or Williams.

If your team is weak at the CB position, you can devise a scheme to cover up that weakness. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

If your team is weak at the RB position, YOU CAN'T COVER THAT WEAKNESS. AND THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME TOO.

You adolescent, non-creative, media-rhetoric-repeating numbnuts jus hate Synder so much--and for an arbitrary reason--that any move he makes is the wrong one.

No one gives a sh!t about Cornerbacks and there is a cornucopia of evidence to support their lack of importance.

Posted by: Vicc | October 23, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

You adolescent, non-creative, media-rhetoric-repeating numbnuts ...

Good morning to you too.

Posted by: daggar | October 23, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: daggar | October 23, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps you can find a way to verify this and break the story (if there is a story to break).

Posted by: cannontl

JReid couldn't find his neck or break an egg....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 23, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

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