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Zorn on Portis, the O line, Rogers

A few things from Redskins Coach Jim Zorn, who just ended his Monday press conference in which he discussed all aspects of Sunday's 27-17 victory over the Denver Broncos.

Clinton Portis: Zorn said that while he was pleased with Ladell Betts's 114-yard output against Denver, Portis would remain his starting running back when he recovers from the concussion that caused him to sit out against the Broncos. But -- and it's a big but -- he's not sure when Portis will be better. "I don't know what the prognosis is," he said.

Zorn said the team would "wait, and wait patiently and wait cautiously" before deciding whether Portis could play this week. But he did say Portis was still experiencing blurred vision when he turned his head quickly.

"I think the headaches are now gone," Zorn said. "I think the ringing's gone. There's still a little blurriness. It's really when you move your head real quick, there's a little blurriness. Something's still there, and day by day, I think he's getting better and better."

Zorn said he would not wait until Saturday to make a decision on the running back. He could know more by Wednesday. Whatever happens, though, Zorn downplayed any differences if he gives Betts more time.

"Partly because that's what we've been doing," Zorn said. "We're sharing time. Maybe not the run load, but we have been sharing time. I don't want this to be something where Ladell came in and did a wonderful job -- good grief, he really did a tremendous job -- and yet have Clinton lose his job because Ladell came in in support. I think it's just exciting to know we've got two running backs who can run the ball. I want to be very sure that Clinton can get out there and really pound it and really use all of his abilities before we shove him back in, hoping that his concussion will be okay."

Offensive line: Zorn said he would stay with the same offensive line that was generally effective against the Broncos. That means Chad Rinehart stays at right guard and Levi Jones -- who Zorn admitted he was worried about in pass protection -- will remain at left tackle.

"That section of the game helped us win," Zorn said.

Carlos Rogers: Zorn said the Redskins coaches would discuss the benched cornerback during Monday afternoon's staff meeting, and he said there's a chance Rogers could return to the starting lineup next week. The decision to bench Rogers after he bit on a double move from Denver receiver Brandon Marshall in the first quarter belonged to defensive coordinator Greg Blache and secondary coach Jerry Gray, Zorn said.

"I think what we dio is sit down and talk, sit down and show the video again," Zorn said, "... and we've got to sort of return and regroup. He has got to find and regain the confidence."

Zorn praised the job veteran Fred Smoot did in Rogers's place, and said both Smoot and second-year cornerback Justin Tryon would be in the mix to start this week at Dallas. But he added, about Rogers: "He's not done and we're not done."

Jason Campbell: Zorn said the quarterback, who completed 17 of 26 passes for 193 yards with a touchdown and no interceptions, "did well." But Zorn said he is "always wanting perfection" and that Campbell "missed some things." One throw Zorn clearly wanted back was a deep sideline route to wide receiver Santana Moss, a ball Campbell overthrew.

Other injuries: The most significant would be a sprained ankle suffered by defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. Zorn said he hoped to have a further evaluation on Wednesday. "We're likely to know more toward the end of the week whether he'll be able to go [Sunday]," Zorn said.

Zorn said tackle Mike Williams, who sat out against Denver with an ankle injury, is still questionable. Tight end Chris Cooley is still a week away from learning more about his recovery from a broken bone in his ankle.

Those would be the highlights. More later.

By Barry Svrluga  |  November 16, 2009; 1:17 PM ET
 
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Beantown Greg, nice name by the way, how do you get by living in your parents basement and scrimping by on unemployment or disability. Beantown probably refers to Boston which probably gives you that incredibly annoying accent. Baaaahsten! Your probably an alcoholic and one in a long line of hardcore allcoholics. Your mic daddy probably beat your mother on a daily basis for undercooking the potatoes and probably beat you with an empty bottle of Guiness. It's ok Greg its not your fault. Greg, its not your fault. It's gonna be ok, son.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Beantown Greg......0.2......fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

down portis...stay down portis
don't get up

Posted by: HelzYea2DaSkinz | November 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Medical science is AMAZING. Did you see how they swapped the brains of Jim Zorn and Bill Belichick on Sunday? Amazing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

JZ needs to go wait cautiously somewhere else. Tired of this guy's medium routine.

BINGO > Hip Hip Hooray

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Natsfan, really, you are really going to bring that crap in here about people's cultures or backgrounds, you dumb a$$, you probably have some irish blood in you 2 my friend, ignorance never seems to be able to hide itself, even on the internet.

go vote for the ravens, you wont be lost here, but grow up first, good irish population in Bmore too

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Beantown Greg......0.2......fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 1:28 PM


Ignorant is much worse...

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"I think it's just exciting to know we've got two running backs who can run the ball"

it only took 24 games for the head coach to realize this....

ignore the child...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

natsfan007,
What'd you say your home address was again? I didn't catch that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I can only hope that Danny boy has a folder with all the dumb things zorn says in it, so when the end of the year comes, he can say, what they hell were you doing?

I will admit, I never thought Betts would run that well again or Cartwright would do so well in the running game...but to say you just now realize we have 2 that can run well, good lord.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I'll be training at DC Krav Maga today, Wednesday, and Friday from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM. 616 H St NW Washington, DC 20001. Just ask for the chief, thats what everyone there calls me.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

we should take our cues from the Eagles, who sat Westbrook for a game, then had him come back and get another concussion....4 games at least is how many I'd have CP miss....

JZ needs to nut up, and start acting like a man...stop trying to please everybody....start seeing the forest for the trees. Rogers is indeed done, and should be cut for the comments he made after the game...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If Portis is healthy, according to Zorn, he'll play.

I'm guessing the Skins medical staff will be busting their butts to make sure Portis remains unhealthy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I'll be training at DC Krav Maga today, Wednesday, and Friday from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM. 616 H St NW Washington, DC 20001. Just ask for the chief, thats what everyone there calls me.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 1:42 PM
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Oh, they have such a pretty website. How long did you have to look to find that one?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Natsfan, awesome, so when I come into town I will have someone to spar against...I love sparring with bigots.

I am not into Krav Maga, but we will see which one is more effective MMA or Krav Maga, should be fun

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I dont even know why Portis wants to play, he hasnt seem like it all year, so now that Betts is doing well, Portis will practice???

We will see how this works, never wish harm on anyone, but I hope he keeps sitting and doesnt end up like Westbrook.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I will admit, I never thought Betts would run that well again or Cartwright would do so well in the running game...but to say you just now realize we have 2 that can run well, good lord.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing, isn't it, how good your running backs can look when they actually have holes to run through.

Posted by: rbpalmer | November 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Do you think they will franchise Rogers or JC? Would that do anything?

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

At this point I'd rather root for the Ravens they know how to build a proven winner and have actually won a super Bowl in the last 10 years. The Skins have been doormats for 18 seasons give or take. Orton placed the balls perfectly to Marshall twice in the 1st half and could have continued to exploit that giant hole in the secondary. While the Redskins were twice caught pointing the finger at each other. Also with all the weak teams in the NFL this season when the Redskins finish at 4-12 (I can only realistically predict one more victory against the Raiders) that will probably drop us to anywhere from 10 - 12 and by then all the franchise changing players will be gone, oh and the money doesn't matter cuz next year will be uncapped and the deal can be front loaded for the one season and spread out at a reasonable amount over the remaining years of the deal.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse
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Right, because there are always holes like that during a game...come on. His throws were also both underthrown, by the way - not that it mattered when no one is within 15 yards of the wideout.

4-12 = 10th or 12th pick? Now I know I'm dealing with someone who doesn't know this league at all.

Money doesn't matter...yeah, what's an extra 10-15 mil? They can always raise the prices.

Go ahead and root for the Ravens - please. We don't need "fans" like you that want off the bandwagon. We don't want "fans" like you that pine to root for another team. If you're even capable of simply switching allegences, it shows you weren't much of a fan of the team anyways.

Don't let the door hit you on the a** on the way out.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 16, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse


Repost
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Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 16, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I do not encourage anyone on the team dinging CP so Betts is the starter.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Nice Zce...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Do you think they will franchise Rogers or JC? Would that do anything?

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 1:53 PM

It's looking like this will be an uncapped offseason, in which case both players will be RFA. I'd tender them both to control their rights during the offseason.

Posted by: TWISI | November 16, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

True, but I thought Portis had some lanes and room to run through, but he was out of sync and running into their legs and feet, I am really surprised someone like Samuels has taken Portis around the shed and said hey you either practice and play hard or stop running up my legs and blaming me or just quit.

I really do wonder, what the rest of team thinks of his antics...I love Portis, great RB and fun to watch when he is into it, but not once this year has he looked into the game or his team...Well except for yesterday when DT11 ran down the 5 yeard line.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

which comment from JZ is funnier:

"I don't want a guy to have to lose his job because he got a concussion," Zorn said. Portis is "our running back. Who knows what kind of game he might have had?"

or

Though he said Betts "came in and did a wonderful job," Zorn on Monday wouldn't commit to using Betts more, only saying "if we have to, we will."

So Betts runs better than CP did all year long, save for 1 run, and JZ wont committ to using betts more......you can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd get into it RE Portis if anyone really has questions, but I doubt anyone wants me to go there. I've said my piece.

I think we should broadcast the natsfan/InsiderBlog MMA match on the Wiki!! Wot say erryboudie?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

They will not franchise either. Rogers is going all champ baily right now.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"I'm guessing the Skins medical staff will be busting their butts to make sure Portis remains unhealthy."


Betts v. Portis is a rather delicate operation as it means the owner has to stand aside and not get involved in protecting his friend and pet player.

And standing aside and letting the football people run things has been the hardest thing for this owner to do.

We all know the football people would start Betts/Cartwright/Ganther until each guy died on the fied.

But Portis' contract and friendship with the owner forstalls all their actions.

Again: this is massively interesting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think we should broadcast the natsfan/InsiderBlog MMA match on the Wiki!! Wot say erryboudie?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 1:57 PM

I am good with that...

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

If Portis has so much say with the owner wouldn't we be drating road grating ofeensive lineman?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Adolf wanted them to put Collins in and they did and what happened, we watched a slow old white version of Campbell and Collins got hammered

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,
I'm on FT.
Kbay

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

We all know the football people would start Betts/Cartwright/Ganther until each guy died on the fied.

But Portis' contract and friendship with the owner forstalls all their actions.

Again: this is massively interesting.

Posted by: MistaMoe

yeah and that stat about Portis being 6th all time avg yards from scrimmage minimum 100 games is clearly fake and paid for by Snyder

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Brian!

Gnatz, wot say you?! U up for a broadcast match? We could even raise some money for charity... prolly $100, but still!~

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Love the Skins +12 vs. Dallas. And NE - 11 vs. Jets.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

beantowngreg

"So Betts runs better than CP did all year long, save for 1 run, and JZ won't commit to using Betts more......you can't make this stuff up..."

Transitions require finesse.

And Zorn has had to step over and around piles of redskin front office manure piles since the day he got hired.

He doesn't have the swag to step into the Portis pile and offend the owner's pet player--and thus, the owner.

So he has to make it sound like he's for a guy he secretly might be against.

Politicians have to do this all the time.

Football coaches, however, should never have to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

So Betts runs better than CP did all year long, save for 1 run, and JZ wont committ to using betts more......you can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

and the rest of their careers don't count? Betts was hurt all week and limited in practice, so by the standards with which amny on this blog treat Portis Betts shouldn't have played as he was unable to practice, right?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

so Natsfan knows, I am a brown belt in brazilian ju-jitsu and I train at the Jorge Gurgel MMA academy, I would greatly look forward to the opportunity to spar with a bigot

To everyone else, Hail Skins!

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

No way CP should start at F Dallas. Period. Pabrian, I know CP has been an awesome RB for many years, but live in the present dude, he ain't got it this year.

People lose their jobs all the time when outperformed. Betts came in with yet another offensive line, against the #8 rushing defense in the league, and put up big numbers. The only reason you bench him now is: 1) you're a tart, or 2) you're taking orders from upstairs...

Posted by: mattylight | November 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Never thought I'd find people on this board who dislike Zorn more than I do.

Zorn hasn't a f'ing clue. I'm sorry, if I'm the head coach, how do you let Snyder or Cerrato punk you into who you play.

If I'm Zorn, I'll tell Portis straight up, until you practice, you don't start or play.

What's Portis going to do, trot on the field the same time as Betts?

What's Cerrato going to do, come down and get in his face and demand he start Portis?

What's Snyder going to do, fire Zorn?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

and the rest of their careers don't count? Betts was hurt all week and limited in practice, so by the standards with which amny on this blog treat Portis Betts shouldn't have played as he was unable to practice, right?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:10 PM


good point, but Betts did practice though, right, at least some or did I miss something?

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

pabrian, no the rest of their careers don't count....how does what portis did back in 2003 count today??

and for clarity, betts missed practice thursday, or was limited on that day....he practiced on Friday.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

This week it does not matter what # you want the Redskins to be drafting at, everyone better be rooting for the Skins to kick some cowgirl azz.

Don't make me go natsfan on you and post a bogus address!

F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

on a side note...anyone do college football recruiting on here or know of anyone that does.

I am trying to get my nephews name out there for colleges. would appreciate any help. I have already sent tape and highlights to VT, MD, JMU, etc.

Kid plays for Anderson High School Redskins in Cincinnati, OH - QB, probably going as an athlete.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's about logic, PABrian, I think it's about power.

But bottom line, CPo can't produce right now. If/when he's really ready to contribute he should get an opportunity to.

IMO Crisco has played his part just as badly as Zoron did his. Hopefully the catharsis of the win will begin to turn things around chemistry wise, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

This week it does not matter what # you want the Redskins to be drafting at, everyone better be rooting for the Skins to kick some cowgirl azz.

Don't make me go natsfan on you and post a bogus address!

F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 2:15 PM


HAHA, nice...F Dallas!

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for all the kind words Skins fans. oh yeah, and f Dallas!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

So i guess no charity fight...boo!

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Way 2 bring it Curzon!!

btw, how 'BOUT them Cowboys??!~!

I LOOOOOOVED seeing Irvin & Sanders EAT CROW all last night... wonnerful.

I'm resigned that we're not going to do anything in the post-season. So, what's our next task?

TWO. MORE. WINS. ...spoil Dallas!!

Let's do it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Wait - so was that a fake address? Or did Natz just go off to await his challenger?

clue me in!

Hartz - there are some pretty good programs up there in Ohio, is he getting looks up there? Miami (OH) has a glorious history!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

so the news here in the Nati is saying LJ is in town to sign a contract, since they dont know how long Benson is supposed to be out.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

pabian2003

"...and that stat about Portis being 6th all time avg yards from scrimmage minimum 100 games is clearly fake and paid for by Snyder..."


Those stats are based on what he did in his prime.

And a lot of it came when he was a bronco playing behind a stellar offensive line.

He's doesn't have the speed to make the 'jump cut' needed to make his signature play--the 'stretch'--effective.

A combination of backs is better for the skins now as Betts/Cartwright can succeed running multiple types of running plays, and thus create different reads for a defense.

Too, both backs read their lead blocking better than Portis who wants to run to daylight that a mediocre offensive line can't create.

Yes: Clinton Portis is an elite back.

But so was Fred Taylor--and you see he is no longer a jaguar.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

He is getting looks from local teams, but he really wants to leave the state, he has a horrible family issue with his mom and dad, divorced and ugly...

right now he is seeing looks from Ball state, Central MI, UC - but long shot, Miami U, UK, WVU and others

VT is talking, but only cuz my brother played there and is helping.

Runs a 4.3 legit, dual threat QB, but listed 6'1, really probably more like 6'0

He has 23 regular season rushing TD's, 1300 yards/ 13 passing TD and 1000 yards

They play Elder at UC on Sat for Regional finals

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

well, yeah, Betts didn't practice much THIS week with the regular first team, but all year he has been practicing with them while Portis has done whatever it is he does during the week.

So this week notwithstanding, Betts has been running with the starting line in practice much more than Portis in 09.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 16, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

UK wants him to play S or DB, possibly a LB/ S hybrid and maybe KR, but we will see.

Thanks for asking.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

and the rest of their careers don't count? Betts was hurt all week and limited in practice, so by the standards with which amny on this blog treat Portis Betts shouldn't have played as he was unable to practice, right?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:10 PM

First off, Betts has practiced all season where as Portis has not. Second, Betts missed Wednesday, was limited Thursday and fully participated on Friday. There's kind of a big difference there and if Portis had been practicing all season and had to take it easy for a week no big deal, but CP hasn't practiced in training camp, preseason, and regular season due to bone spurs. Once again big difference. And no, the rest of their careers don't count, that's like saying we should start Jim Brown this Sunday, I mean who's had a better career than him right? CP has been on the decline since the middle of last season and it is only getting more obvious when Betts and Rock can come in and have the best rushing performance of the season behind a guy who was unemployed 3 weeks ago, a gimpy Heyer, and Rhino who was supposedly so bad he couldn't beat out Will Montegomery. At the beginning of the season Portis was behind our healthy starters and never got close to a game like yesterday and other than the Giants game he didn't face a defense anywhere near as good as Denver's. When its over its over, and barring them shutting CP down and giving him the time to get fully healthy and come back next year, he's done.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"What's Snyder going to do, fire Zorn?"


Hope not.

If they do, there will be players on the team who were drafted by St Joe, played for Zorn-O, who'll say, "Can't we get some stability, bro'?"

The skins have changed coaches like hollywood people change lawyers and coke dealers.

Sherm Lewis and Jim Zorn seems to be pulling the team into a 'smashmouth' direction--let them complete it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

mhartz1, good luck with the kid, hope he can find a good school to go to....I would love it if he went to Indiana, and help them get back to a bowl game, but from the list you gave, WVU sounds like a good fit...maybe he can be the next Pat White?

How far away from home does he want to go?

Posted by: mattylight | November 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Don't leave out the other Florida schools as they get pro looks these days, too.

Also, since the defection of state players all over the country, Flordia schools have to look outside the state for talent.

Good luck at Regionals!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Not to goon up the Everybody-vs-Natsfan cage match, or ask a personal question that's probably already been answered before, but I've been dying to know:

Kaneohe, you a DC-area DeviledEgg/Skins fan posted at KBay?

My two cents: it's all about the "vision" one keeps sharp with regular, weekly practice reps with your linemen. Any difference in burst/speed between Portis and Betts is negligible.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Mhartz... Can he return punts?

As far as I'm concerned, he can replace ARE on the roster yesterday.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

on a side note...anyone do college football recruiting on here or know of anyone that does.

I am trying to get my nephews name out there for colleges. would appreciate any help. I have already sent tape and highlights to VT, MD, JMU, etc.

Kid plays for Anderson High School Redskins in Cincinnati, OH - QB, probably going as an athlete.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't do any of that but you should put UVA on your list man, they are hurting for athletes and QBs in Cville, tough recruiting time for them as well with Groh likely to be fired so they are looking at kids they might not normally, worth a shot to send them a tape.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game yesterday and I have to admit, it felt to me like the old days at RFK. It was loud, great weather, full house and we were cheering a winner! I don't know if I will have that feeling again anytime soon, but it sure was nice to have it once.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | November 16, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't necessarily know how you'd go about contacting them, but Joe Rose and Larry Blustein down in Miami are all about High School athletics and always want to see a kid do well.

You might be able to contact them through the Miami Herald or WQAM.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

How far away from home does he want to go?

Posted by: mattylight | November 16, 2009 2:33 PM

As of now, I have sent out DVD highlight films to MAC, Conference USA, Big East, ACC, SEC, SunBelt and Mountain West. I am handling all of his recruitment, cuz dad says he cant find the time.

This week, I am sending out to Big Ten and some independents, such as Navy, Airforce and ND.

Wonderful thing about the kid is that he has the full package, 3.75 GPA, great attitude and athletic...however the coaches and program do nothing for the kids.

They have one OL going to Ohio State full ride - kid is a monster and he has been out since week 4, then they have a RB that is a stud, but a criminal and get seem to get a look from anywhere, other than ZERO help with pushing his name out there from his own program...somehow he is not even on Rivals or some other ones, but that should change, just registered him on some recruiting sites.

We have strong ties on the East Coast so he is hoping to be close to some family but escape his own family situation.

Thanks for the support and thoughts, appreciate it, greatly.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

No one is telling Zorn who to play. He is sticking with Portis cause he believes Portis is the best RB on the team and gives the team the best chance to win. He might be wrong about that but that's his call. He's gonna go with the guys that he thinks give him the best chance to win.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 16, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2

so the O line had nothing to do with Portis' decline in production (a mere 1478 yds)?

So zorn, vinny, and danny have done a great job and it's all Portis' fault?

p'shaw hater p'shaw

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: coparker5 | November 16, 2009 2:40 PM

Zorn also thinks he is a good play caller.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Dikshuttle, I will look them up and he has a conference call with UVA, ZFR on Thursday.

Hoping he gets scholastic all - american that will really help him. As well as State, etc.

His team the past 3 years as Won States @ the D2 level, runner up for states on D2 and this year regional finals first year in D1.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I was able to get through on the Fan and voiced my opinion on who gets the game ball.

However, I put a question to them for when Jason comes on at 4. I asked if they would question JC about the fact that since Zorn had changed his mechanics whether that has anything to do with him missing wide open receivers.

Lets hope they ask the question?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

if UVA conference call goes well, I am hoping to take him to the UVA vs VT game for site visit to school. fingers crossed.

I am a Hokie, but I would be pretty excited to see him go to UVA, great school.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

mh, did you send something to Boston College?? What about Ivy League schools, would those be in the picture??

co, "He might be wrong about that but that's his call. He's gonna go with the guys that he thinks give him the best chance to win"

considering that Portis didn't play, and they won...presents a pretty strong argument...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

we won without Portis and Cooley

yay

that's a good thing

no need to be throwing people under the bus this week

unless your just plain a player hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

levi jones and hunter the punter a winning formula

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

mhartz1,

I am bias, but my Temple Owls are desperate for a good athletic QB. They have a O-Line that's bigger then 11 of the ACC teams, and the best Freshman RB since Adrian Peaterson. But 0 talent at QB. Also Al Golden is big on getting kids with good academics.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Greg, thanks for the idea, I always forget about the Ivy league schools, they dont give scholarships, but they give grants and what not, forgot all about it. Thanks.

On another note...

Anyone see Ocho pick on Sharpe on his twitter..."tell Mr. Ed lookalike, Child please, " haha, pretty funny.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

pabian2003

"...and that stat about Portis being 6th all time avg yards from scrimmage minimum 100 games is clearly fake and paid for by Snyder..."

Those stats are based on what he did in his prime.

And a lot of it came when he was a bronco playing behind a stellar offensive line.

He's doesn't have the speed to make the 'jump cut' needed to make his signature play--the 'stretch'--effective.

A combination of backs is better for the skins now as Betts/Cartwright can succeed running multiple types of running plays, and thus create different reads for a defense.

Too, both backs read their lead blocking better than Portis who wants to run to daylight that a mediocre offensive line can't create.

Yes: Clinton Portis is an elite back.

But so was Fred Taylor--and you see he is no longer a jaguar.

Posted by: MistaMoe

true, good points to you and everyone else.

the real problem is that they haven't used Betts effectively the last 5 years, that's NOT Portis' fault.

Betts got a huge contract too! Just like it's not Randle El's fault that they can't find a WR to beat him out or a PR.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

My two cents: it's all about the "vision" one keeps sharp with regular, weekly practice reps with your linemen. Any difference in burst/speed between Portis and Betts is negligible.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 16, 2009 2:34 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head when you said, "regular, weekly practice reps". Portis hasn't been getting that and Betts has. Let's face it, Portis is lazy and doesn't want to practice. He feels like his relationship with the owner and his natural athletic ability are enough to get him by. That may have been true for Portis in years past, but now it has all caught up with him. If he wants to stay on his game now he is going to have to work for it, and the guys who are working harder are finally getting their props. Betts looked good yesterday and Rock was no slouch either.

This Ganther kid also intrigues me. He can block really well, and obviously, he can catch. I would have liked to see him get a few more carries to see if he can make something happen in the running game. He had a decent forty time when he came out of college. Seems like he got swallowed up on every running play yesterday, but I think that had more to do with the defense called. Like I said, a few more carries so we can see what he has.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

thanks Alex, I will look into it.

Thanks again everyone, if any of this goes through, round on me when in town, if RI ever gets together.

Hail Skins.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Redskins, Broncos review: Studs and duds
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
11/16/09 2:15 PM EST

Studs

TE Fred Davis: Caught four passes for 50 yards, but also did a good job in opening creases on the edge. A couple times he and LT Levi Jones cleared a lane in which the back was not touched for the first 6-7 yards.

LT Levi Jones: See above. Jones was better than anticipated. The Redskins game plan helped as they used a lot of three-step drops. Jones struggled a bit when he had to block on longer drops, but that was often not the case. He did a nice job turning his man where he wanted him to go.

FB Mike Sellers: Caught a 35-yard touchdown pass, but he also, like Davis, excelled on the edge. He missed a couple blocks, but he was a road grader on Ladell Betts' touchdown run (with a little help from Todd Yoder).

RB Ladell Betts: Ran hard and with energy. Always seemed to get a couple extra yards after contact and even broke a couple tackles. Jim Zorn said Clinton Portis would get his job back when healthy, but we have to ask: why?

Posted by: TWISI | November 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

DE Andre Carter: He was quiet for the first half, but finished with 1.5 sacks and seven tackles. He also had four quarterback hurries and two tackles for a loss. Yep, quite a day. The Redskins helped him with some strategy. For example, on one of his sacks, Rocky McIntosh showed blitz, which drew the tackle's attention. But McIntosh dropped and that allowed Carter to turn the edge and combine on a sack.

LB Brian Orakpo: Finished with 1.5 sacks, three tackles for a loss and two quarterback hurries. The Redskins are using him well, too, especially as a standup linebacker behind a three-man front. Orakpo got a tackle for a loss out of this set because he came through too quick for the guard. He's doing a better job of taking on blockers.

DL Lorenzo Alexander: He really only flashed on two plays, but one resulted in a fumble thanks to his hustle -- Denver would have had a first down at the Redskins' 31-yard line. And he had a crushing hit on a kickoff.

LG Derrick Dockery/Casey Rabach: Putting them together because they both did a good job on combination blocks and then having one get to the linebackers.

Posted by: TWISI | November 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

This Ganther kid also intrigues me. He can block really well, and obviously, he can catch. I would have liked to see him get a few more carries to see if he can make something happen in the running game. He had a decent forty time when he came out of college. Seems like he got swallowed up on every running play yesterday, but I think that had more to do with the defense called. Like I said, a few more carries so we can see what he has.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse


I wondered about that too. He absolutely stoned that guy on the block and his nice catch and run ended with him dropping his shoulder and intitating contact. I love that in a running back. The defense seemed to blitz his gap on every one of his runs. I wonder if he isn't tipping it somehow. Maybe it was pure luck, but count me in as wanting to see him get more carries.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what a deviled egg is... perhaps some vernacular relating to AD USMC?
Close, but no cigar.

I am here in the employ of my favorite Uncle. Just not in USMC.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

riggins wasn't the greatest team player, but it was OK because we were winning.

we were winning because we had the highest paid team in the league (a la the Yankees)

Now we have to pay the same as every other team (rules), and the mgmt has failed for a decade

NOT Portis' fault, NOT Campbell's fault, NOT ARE's fault, NOT Zorn's fault

if your gonna be a hater hate on the right guys

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

CB DeAngelo Hall: His interception and return helped turn the game around. It was an easy pick, but he still always finds himself in position to make those plays. He did miss a tackle on the first play of the game and could have had better position on some other runs; got caught inside a step too far on one. But the pickmade up for the other gaffes. However, the lateral was a boneheaded decision.

P Hunter Smith: Who knew?

The game plan: OK, this is a different twist. But using two tight-end sets was a huge benefit. The Redskins cut off Denver's backside pursuit, which has hurt other offenses. In fact, the only two times that Denver made a tackle from the backside is when Washington did not use a two tight-end alignment.

Posted by: TWISI | November 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Duds

CB Carlos Rogers: Bit on a double move by Brandon Marshall and was benched. It only took one mishap to get him benched, which means the Redskins had to be displeased with his performance before Sunday. This has not been Rogers' best season.And it's not certain that he'll get his job back.

FS LaRon Landry: Came up to cover an underneath route when the corner was expecting him to stay deep. Can't do that; the corners need to trust the safety on their side. It resulted in an easy touchdown for Brandon Marshall. On Hall's interception, Landry did not seem to find the ball, which should not have occurred.

FS Kareem Moore: Got lucky that Kyle Orton overthrew a wide-open Eddie Royal. But Moore bit on a double move, a hard plant inside by Royal. Moore's rise as a FS would help Landry go back to SS, but plays like this make you wonder if he's ready to be trusted deep.

PK Shaun Suisham: Had two kickoffs go out of bounds, giving Denver the ball at the 40-yard line. He was aiming for the right spot, but he was too wide.

LB London Fletcher: Maybe some of this had to do with positioning; he was not always lined up in the middle. But he only finished with two tackles.

Posted by: TWISI | November 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Also, the hits by Alexander and Rocky were awesome, simply awesome...

Rocky has had a decent year, quietly. He is also a UFA right???

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2

so the O line had nothing to do with Portis' decline in production (a mere 1478 yds)?

So zorn, vinny, and danny have done a great job and it's all Portis' fault?

p'shaw hater p'shaw

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah that's what I said, it was all portis' fault, all of it, you got it right. I blamed the state of the franchise, the decade of mediocrity and all the bad personnel decisions on Portis. In fact, I think the failings of the Spurrier era are Portis' fault as well. You are so great at picking out just what people are saying and getting it correct.

Bad line play doesn't mean that Portis hasn't declined as well. Just like it doesn't give JC a complete excuse for his bad play. Betts and Rock proved that you can produce better even with a crap line. Its not like they busted any huge runs or anything, but they hit the hole hard with energy that Portis just doesn't do anymore. JC has been hurried and hit a lot this year, but he has also missed a lot of wide open throws and left a lot of points and yards on the field that are on him. A bad oline does not give an excuse to everybody else for their poor performances. A great line would obviously make us a better team, a better offense, and things easier on all the skill position players especially the QB and RB. However, these guys are still professionals and are expected to perform. JC has been sub-par all season and Portis has been tentative and ineffective, he needs to be shut down and truly given a chance to heal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

through 7 games the gap between our #1 RB's rushing yardage and and our #2 RB's was way too big.

that's mismanagement.

Portis' decline last year was mostly due to BETTS BEING HURT, that's Betts being hurt

the hero flawless, doodoo smells like roses BETTS was hurt for half the year last year

NOT Portis' fault

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

and I love Yoder the TD machine, dude just finds the right spot each time, this seems stupid, but actually seems they are playing better without Cooley, forces JC to look around more for than just his favorite target.

Anyone else think Moss has lost something, maybe even his hands, dropped some more than I would like for our #1

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

They are using new gloves this year maybe Moss is not enjoying them.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

moss looked pissed when jc overthrew him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Bad line play doesn't mean that Portis hasn't declined as well. Just like it doesn't give JC a complete excuse for his bad play. Betts and Rock proved that you can produce better even with a crap line. Its not like they busted any huge runs or anything, but they hit the hole hard with energy that Portis just doesn't do anymore. JC has been hurried and hit a lot this year, but he has also missed a lot of wide open throws and left a lot of points and yards on the field that are on him. A bad oline does not give an excuse to everybody else for their poor performances. A great line would obviously make us a better team, a better offense, and things easier on all the skill position players especially the QB and RB. However, these guys are still professionals and are expected to perform. JC has been sub-par all season and Portis has been tentative and ineffective, he needs to be shut down and truly given a chance to heal.

Posted by: zjfr2 |

that was the best our line played all year, Portis' was out with an injury. How do you know that Portis' has declined with all of the other variables? why can't we win with some grace?

When Portis is healthy he plays, and so does Betts, and Rock, and everyone else.

win as a team lose as a team

hunter the punter missed games and then came back and contributed.

Portis declined to the point of 1,478 yuds rushing and a pro-bowl appearance, and he declined to the point of making the longest rush of his career this year?

If I was the coach Portis, Betts, and Rock would get carries every week (we'd be 0-9 cause I'm not a coach), but Betts and Cartwright's success shouldn't mean we have to throw Portis' (redskins 2nd leading all time rusher) under the bus, that is HATING.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else think Moss has lost something, maybe even his hands, dropped some more than I would like for our #1

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 3:01 PM
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Moss has always dropped his fair share of passes. Seems like he has picked some inopportune times to drop them lately, but you watch him in the Dallas game. Santana always shows up for Dallas.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

through 7 games the gap between our #1 RB's rushing yardage and and our #2 RB's was way too big.

that's mismanagement.

Portis' decline last year was mostly due to BETTS BEING HURT, that's Betts being hurt

the hero flawless, doodoo smells like roses BETTS was hurt for half the year last year

NOT Portis' fault

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

talking with you is extremely annoying, I fail to see how somebody else being injured causes the skills of another player to decline.....CP has been declining because he has led the league or close to it in carries for 5 years or so i a grind it between the tackles rushing attack. He is broke down and may never be healthy or productive again. But what that has to do with a Betts missing a couple of games last season I'm not sure I follow. Since the midway point of last year CP has been slow, tentative, and ineffective. He got benched against Baltimore in favor of Betts late in the year last year and has started this season out extremely poorly. The only person who shares in the blame of CP's decline is Zorn, but that doesn't mean he's not declining and that he shouldn't be sat now. I'm just kinda confused on what you're even saying.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait until they can Zorn's butt and get a coach in here with some stones who also knows what he's doing.

Here is Zorn's assessment in a nutshell:

"Even though we won, don't think that it's going to result in real changes. We are poised and ready to go back to the things we were doing when we weren't winning".


Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

he did look pissed, but he also dropped a ball over the middle that I thought was catchable, as well as last week, I thought he had 2 or 3 drops, seems like Portis and Rogers, landry as disinterested, now maybe he will play better with a win, but not want we want.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Got it, KBay.

Suffice it to say, in 6 years of getting up at 7/8 am to watch the Skins, I didn't have the company of many fellow-fans at the Shack in Enchanted Lakes. Too much Orange and Blue or Silver and Black.

And yes, extremely localized vernacular for Teufelhunden.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 16, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

ok, I'm done talking with peebrain, its impossible.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Yoder made JC look real good on both of those TD's, didn't Portis get dumped on for telling the coaches to put Yoder in for Sellars?

yes he did

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Moss has always dropped his fair share of passes. Seems like he has picked some inopportune times to drop them lately, but you watch him in the Dallas game. Santana always shows up for Dallas.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 3:08 PM


He is a Cowboy killer!

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

ok, I'm done talking with peebrain, its impossible.....

Posted by: zjfr2

YES, I win. What do I win? Oh yeah, nothing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

no....we all lose...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I am out, you all have a great week, thanks for the help with my nephew...

If Natsfan comes back on and isnt a pursy, let him know i am interestd in the charity bout, if not, hope he leaves for good to Ravens - V a g.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

talking with you is extremely annoying, I fail to see how somebody else being injured causes the skills of another player to decline.....CP has been declining because he has led the league or close to it in carries for 5 years or so i a grind it between the tackles rushing attack. He is broke down and may never be healthy or productive again. But what that has to do with a Betts missing a couple of games last season I'm not sure I follow. Since the midway point of last year CP has been slow, tentative, and ineffective. He got benched against Baltimore in favor of Betts late in the year last year and has started this season out extremely poorly. The only person who shares in the blame of CP's decline is Zorn, but that doesn't mean he's not declining and that he shouldn't be sat now. I'm just kinda confused on what you're even saying.....

Posted by: zjfr2

so you don't recognize wear and tear in the case of Betts injury, but you do recognize wear and tear in Portis' # of carries. The only person who shares blame is Zorn?, not Snyd-rrato?

I'm saying people are hating on Portis because we're not winning and he's 1 of the only consistent offensive performers over the last 5 years, and that is what doesn't make sense.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

YES, I win. What do I win? Oh yeah, nothing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse


Actually you win this invisible parachute. Go find a bridge and try it out.

Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Watched the highlights on redskins.com

Most impressive to me was Andre Carter chasing down the play from the backside 10-12 yards down field. Effort, speed, sure tackling.

Watch that CR22. Take notes. And then pack your bags, beeyotch..

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

from '07 to '08 Portis declined from 1262 yds to 1478 yds, thats a decline of -216 yds

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

he keeps going and going and...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Rocky has had a decent year, quietly. He is also a UFA right???"

The general rule of thumb is that outside linebackers can be easily had.

So this should mean Rock won't get a nice deal.

He should.

On another team, he'd be blitzing more often, and thus, have the sack total and media swag that comes with that.

I'd say pay Rocky McIntosh.

He's become a very good linebacker.

All the chatta about his creaky knees has gone with the wind.

Orakpo, McIntosh, and Fletcher make for a decent linebacker core.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The Shack... yeah. Went to the Detroit game this year there, and another loss that I must have protectively forgotten, LOL. After that, not so much... catching them on the "site".

As I recall, Gints had a crowd, Cheeseheads mostly over 60, and da Niners. Stray cats and dogs, too.

Skins were relegated to the porch... you know you suck when that happens....and that was BEFORE we lost to the Lions.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

For a weak side LB, Rocky doesn't get into the backfield or get to the QB much. I suspect the coaches simply don't want him that close to the line so he can play his gap, but I want a weak side LB that can create some havoc from time to time.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I gots two words for ya....

Sherm Lewis

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Comp/Att Yds TDs Picks
9/24 67 0 0
4/8 46 0 2

So based on these stats, who do you select as your starting QB for next week? That's the decision facing ... Tom Cable of the Raiders

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003 must get some quality reach-around action from CPo. I've never seen anyone so protective of a player on RI. "didn't Portis get dumped on for telling the coaches to put Yoder in for Sellars?" Are you kidding? You think that was because he forsaw Yoder making some nice catches down the road? He did that for the same reason he does everything...to cover for his sorry a$$. Portis is a cancer. The players have plenty of reasons to be resentful of him, the Sellars incident just being Exhibit A, and resentment spoils football teams. Portis will kill himself to get back on the practice field and back into the lineup this week and it will have nothing to do with being a good teammate. His real motivation will be to nip the Betts/Cartwright momentum in the bud.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I gots two words for ya....

Sherm Lewis

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I got 6 words for you....

I love a good dry martini

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, that makes me feel better about JC.

F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"For a weak side LB, Rocky doesn't get into the backfield or get to the QB much."

I'd agree but for the fact that Orakpo has been unleashed meaning Rock has to have coverage responsibilities underneath.

That's why he's not in the backfield more.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Comp/Att Yds TDs Picks
9/24 67 0 0
4/8 46 0 2

So based on these stats, who do you select as your starting QB for next week? That's the decision facing ... Tom Cable of the Raiders

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I personally would go out there and get any Free Agent QB you can find.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

F DALLAS
F DALLAS
F DALLAS
F DALLAS
F DALLAS
F DALLAS
F DALLAS
F DALLAS
F DALLAS
F DALLAS

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday was made glorious by our win, our win, our win, Bellichek and his arrogant stupidity and Dallas face planting in Green Bay!!

EFF DALLAS!

Posted by: sfskin | November 16, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I'll bet we could trade Chase Daniels to the Raiders for 2 first round picks...and yes, I realize that Daniels plays for the Saints.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 16, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm w/ Brian on this one (Big Surprise). Though I do think it's pretty clear that Crisco is done for a while.

I believe CPo's decline is linked directly to his treatment on this team (much of it self-actuated, admittedly).

I do think the 'lazy' talk is misplaced. The man has laid his body on the line multiple times. And while practice is necessary, it's not Portis' responsibility to have guys make their blocks.

It just all happened to click this week. Good. If Portis is the villan, so be it. It's not necessarily true, but why fight it, if it helps the team? He does need the break, too. Those cranial dings will last a long time.

Look at Aikman. He still thinks he's Batman!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"...he (Pabian2003) keeps going and going and..."

Actually, he's right about Clinton Portis.

Dude is a stellar football player.

But if he wasn't coveted by St Joe, Portis wouldn't have been a redskin.

But Betts would've been the starting running back for the redskins.

From Al Saunders to Sherm Lewis the analysis has been the same: Ladell Betts is a very capable NFL back.

And for all the talk about Portis' numbers, you have to wonder what numbers Betts would've amassed if he had been the lead back after his stellar 2006 year--and remember, he didn't start every game that year.

The Portis v. Betts argument isn't about one guy versus another.

It's about a direction the team should take in the wake of a very disappointing season.

It's a direction that says follow #46 as #26 has had his day as a redskin.

Nothing against #26, mind you.

But at some point, it's time to move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So, Wilbon says Dallas will pick up a stick and beat the Redskins with it next week in Dallas; I think he's incorrect, in that I think Dallas just is no where near as good as folks think they are.

Opinions?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

from the Times:

The Redskins filled the practice squad vacancy caused by the Nov. 14 promotion of safety Lendy Holmes to the roster by re-signing rookie free agent cornerback Doug Dutch, a Gonzaga High graduate who had been with them last summer


jd, dallas seems like they're banged up, and they seem to be in a little bit of a tailspin...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Dallas will have ALL the pressure on them to win.

Hopefully, Zorn won't get in the way of the good thing that has miraculously fallen into his lap.

If I'm Dallas, I want NO part of the Redskins right now.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

yup, Dallas has everything to lose, the Redskins will be loose coming into the game; and keep in mind, as bad as they have played, the Redskins have not been blown out by anyone; the first half of the Falcon's game was the only game where we were clearly outplayed.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 16, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

So, Wilbon says Dallas will pick up a stick and beat the Redskins with it next week in Dallas; I think he's incorrect, in that I think Dallas just is no where near as good as folks think they are.

Opinions?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Dallas is as good as people think they are either.

Unfortunately, we are as bad as people think we are.

That said, anything can happen between these 2 teams.

F Dallas.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Almost every time I hear or read Jim Zorn's comments it further proves that he doesn't have a clue. Start Portis over Betts?

When was the last time you saw Portis make people miss? Uh... When was the last time you saw Betts make people miss? Yesterday.

Look at how much better the play calling is with Sherman Lewis. Jim Zorn is a real positive upbeat guy and probably a pretty good motivator. So, what the Redskins need is a good coach, they've already got a good cheerleader. :) Well, and they need a real GM and a new owner, but other than that...

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | November 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

they're gonna have to get pressure on Romo, and they're gonna have to have good coverage on Witten and Williams...I think the game is winnable, I'd be more confident, if JC hit moss for the TD on that play yesterday....just the threat of being able to connect on a long pass might keep them a little more honest...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

yeah, true Greg - But what's up with Whitten - I've got him in FF, and he's doing nothing...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 16, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

JohnD, I think with another team effort like yesterday that the Skins can pick up a win against what I consider and over rated team.

And I like our chances against romo in the 4th qtr.

F dallas.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Guys, aside from the Betts vs. Portis debate, do you realize just what kind of brain trauma a guy has when he has chronic headaches, ringing and blurred vision? I mean, your brain really has to have gotten "mushed" to be responsible for your eyes not working properly over a week later. From strictly a health standpoint, I would want ALL symptoms to go away from multiple weeks before I even CONSIDERED coming back. That is serious stuff...

Posted by: 4seamed | November 16, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

agreed, on cp....at this point, give him the rest of the year off....no sense in doing something permanent...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe

look at every OTHER teams and you will see 2 backs contributing, here you see 1 or the other.

that is mismanagement, and that is apparent also in the O line, etc.

people are crumbing on the players, but it is the management that is failing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

it's not betts vs. portis, its snyd-rrato vs. the players and the fans

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I've stated the problem with Rogers in 2010 is that he becomes a restricted FA if nothing changes in the labor negotiations.

What that means in reality is that if we give him a low-ball tender, any team that wants him has to match it plus toss us a 2nd rounder. I don't see anyone doing that, which means the Skins become his only option, he signs, and we lose a roster spot.

So unless he shapes up in the offseason, what do we get by retaining his rights? Nothing.

I think if we lowball the tender on JC, we get then 2nd rounder, but then where are we at? I think JC has demonstrated (if nothing else) that he has the mental chops to handle anything. I say offer him a decent contract and plug the other holes in the roster/staff.

If that means canning Zorn, so be it. Zorn has talked his way into the public doghouse, but JC has handled everything as well as anyone could have. He hasn't earned the 'QB of the future' tag, but he's earned enough respect for somebody in the FO to come out and say, 'this is the kind of guy we want' and put him behind a couple of road graders, handing off to a pounder, and enjoy the trip to the playoffs.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 16, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Barno1,
You just can't get it right. Last week you picked the Redskins to win and then said you were just kidding and that they would lose. Maybe a week off will help you out my man.

Posted by: hessone | November 16, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Redskins will win out and go 10-6 and reach the playoffs. Ok everyone needed a good laugh.

I do think we'll beat Denver though. They're coming off a short week, we're coming off 1 game in 3 weeks. Team from out west playing in east at 1:00. Plus the fact that they have been playing over their heads and we are desperate for a win. All signs point to a Redskins victory on Sunday.


Posted by: Barno1 | November 9, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse


Hessone, maybe a week off will help you remember things more accurately.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 16, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Portis should take as much time as he needs, look at Westbrook.

but while Portis is healing the fans shouldn't throw him under the bus.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

IF we beat the boys we're 2 games out of 1st

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Portis should take as much time as he needs, look at Westbrook.

but while Portis is healing the fans shouldn't throw him under the bus.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse
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It's not as simple as 'throwing him under the bus'. Portis has been a heckuva back. A Redskin back. A back I want on my team. But we all know that good things end eventually, and it appears that - for whatever reason - Portis as a good thing has ended.

Maybe he's lost a step, maybe he's injured, but he's clearly not the best back on our roster right now. JZ will do an about face on this but he needs to say, 'Betts just bought you as much recovery time as you need. If your body isn't to the point where you can practice, then you aren't recovered.'

And it appears that the hard-working Betts is a team favorite, so if that's the case, it doesn't matter what the fans think - the team thinks Portis isn't the best option.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

but while Portis is healing the fans shouldn't throw him under the bus.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse


Fair enough.

We'll throw you under a bus in his place, and you can display all of your true love and devotion to him.

Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough.

We'll throw you under a bus in his place, and you can display all of your true love and devotion to him.

Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Post of the day.....

Posted by: ksquare | November 16, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"...dallas seems like they're banged up, and they seem to be in a little bit of a tailspin..."

That's because to beat Dallas, all a team has to do is put a lockdown corner on Miles Austin and force Romo to throw to Roy Williams.

And Williams ain't all that.

Roy Williams is the cowboy Brandon Lloyd.

Witten and Rocky Mac are keys to the game for both teams--one dude must make the other irrevelant.

And whatever happened to Marion Barber?

Wan't he supposed to be a beast this season?

The 'boys will look at the broncos' tape and try the misdirection based running approach that Moreno got yards with.

This will work with Choice carrying the ball.

Too, they'll run double moves at the skins corners hoping for a big gain--and they might get one.

But if Sherm Lewis' play calling is consistent, the sluggo, smashmouth redskin approach to things won't let the cowboys see the ball that much.

"Time of possession" is the new redskin stat.

If the skins can keep it even into the 3rd quarter, a worn down cowboys defense will wilt.

And we will win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I am here! I respect Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and all martial arts. I accept your challenge. Do not refer to me as a bigot as I am not a racist. I am a minority and I will not succumb to shallow and petty name calling. I have been training Krav Maga for 5 years. The last 2 have been with Krav Maga DC. Prior to Krav Maga I studied Tae-kwon-do under the watchful eye of Master Mike Hess at Mikido Mixed Martial Arts for 9 years. I honor my word and have great respect for any competitors in a cage, ring, or street fight. I prefer that it be held in a professional environment since I am not looking for any legal issues.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I do think the 'lazy' talk is misplaced. The man has laid his body on the line multiple times. And while practice is necessary, it's not Portis' responsibility to have guys make their blocks.

It just all happened to click this week. Good. If Portis is the villan, so be it. It's not necessarily true, but why fight it, if it helps the team? He does need the break, too. Those cranial dings will last a long time.

Look at Aikman. He still thinks he's Batman!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 3:48 PM
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Portis is like a used Corvette that has a spark knock and blue smoke coming out of the tail pipe: he was great in his day, but he has a lot of mileage. I don't think the "lazy" talk is unfair. The guy doesn't practice all week because of injury but miraculously finds a way to play on game day. I would buy this if it happened occasionally, but every week? C'mon, the guy's scamming to avoid practice and shame on the coaches for letting him get away with it. Putting Betts in more now makes sense. Betts doesn't have that mileage. He's more like an F-150 pickup with low mileage: he doesn't have the flash, but he has been doing a real nice job reading his blocks and taking what the offensive line makes for him. Portis can still play and should, but maybe Betts should get the bulk of the carries from here on out. If Portis one day shows up and looks more like the Portis of yesterday, good for the Redskins - they will have two serviceable vehicles sitting in the driveway.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

it's not betts vs. portis, its snyd-rrato vs. the players and the fans

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse


Actually, I'd say it's Portis vs. Portis.

What we've had on our hands THIS season is Portis, the unproductive prima donna who doesn't practice with the team but still gets treated like he's God's gift to the franchise and has an inalienable right to start and get 25 touches a game even though he's not won jack for us.

I think you are confusing him with a guy from PREVIOUS seasons also named Portis, who was also a prima donna that hated practice and had a penchant for throwing teammates and coaches under the bus while dressing like a tranny for news interviews. But since that Portis was actually highly productive, we excused all those little quirks b/c he was bringing it on gameday.

Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

@pabrian: I love the way Portis plays, so much so that I own two of his jerseys. But the thing is, MistaMoe hit the nail on the head: It's time to change directions. Portis' body has taken a Hall of Fame running back beating and is breaking down on him. Yes, a better line would make him look better, but we don't have that line nor will we by the time he's taken too much abuse (which is looking more and more like next season's opener). All running backs in the modern era hit that wall. Portis has hit it, too. Betts has not, as he hasn't seen as many carries. Yes, the coaching staff, including Gibbs 2.0, is responsible for that. Thing is, it can't be undone. There may be a specialist role for Portis like Kevin Faulk in New England, but that requires 1) Portis be OK with being something other than the feature back and 2) the coaching staff being bright enough to use him correctly and help continue to succeed.


As to Rogers: sign him to a minimum tender and if no one wants him, cut him after training camp. No harm, no foul. But I'm done with his a**.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 16, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Playoffs? Absurd as it may seem, we've got lots of games vs the teams in front of us in the division, and none of the teams are burning it up at the moment. Its a long shot, but 9-7 might win the NFC East this year.

The leaders in the wild card race are all 5-4. Does 9-7 or even 8-8 make the playoffs? Maybe.

As for this week's game vs dallas, I'm going to be very interested in watching the rapdily aging big guy, flozell adams, trying to deal with the quickness offered up by young Brian Orakpo.

Not sure flozell wouldn't maul him in the run game, but I'm guessing romo would be advised to get rid of the ball quickly if Orakpo is lined up on the edge.

On the other side of the ball, dallas is going to have to play a backup right tackle. Put Carter on that side, Orakpo against adams, Hayneworth push the pocket. I expect havoc ensues

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

natsfan007,
Where I come from, calling someone a Mick is as racist as they come. Take your sanctimonious "I am not a bigot" BS and go to the Ravens site, and RI will be better for it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"IF we beat the boys we're 2 games out of 1st..."

This is more a comment about the NFC East than anything.

We've bragged that our beloved four team confluence of big cities and egos where the monstahs of the NFL.

Guess what?: the iggles have lost to the chargers and raiders.

The jints lost to the chargers and saints.

The 'boys lost to the broncos and packers.

The redskins lost to the chiefs and lions, beat the broncos, and face the raiders and chargers still.

Is the "Beast of the NFC East" all that?

Don't think so.

Parity is the sun shining on the whole league.

And from somewhere, Pete Rozelle is smiling.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

@natsfan007: I'm not interested in a fight, but I would give you some advice as a fellow martial artist. Save your respect for the ring; There is no honor in a street fight because even if you fight with it, there's nothing making the other guy(s) fight with it.

The street is not the place to fight.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 16, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Dont think all the hate on Cp is deserved. I think if he was in this game the results whould have been the same. We never give the ball to CP 26 times on the ground anymore but we did for betts. Clearly hes more durable right now but what if he keep that workload up. Anyone saying bench portis for the year gets far to excited by one win.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 16, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Good grief.

I'm breaking out some tissues to wipe away all my sniffles for Clinton Portis.

I'm grateful for the good years, he's given us. All those weeks he err,umm, practiced; and all those Sundays that he laid himself on the line.

But he was well-compensated to the tune of about $50 mill for those services. And he's not won anything of note - no SuperBowl, no rushing title, no MVP.

The "fans" and the franchise don't owe him anything; and since football is a "what can you do for me on Sunday" kind of schpiel, let's treat him like a football player on the roster instead of treating him like he's Barack Obama visiting the Nobel Committee.

Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

not sure this week provided much of a blueprint for the rest of the year.

1. Run against the smallest DL in football
2. Fake a punt and throw a TD pass
3. Injure the other teams starting QB

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I was at the Chiefs/Raiders game yesterday, and the high point of my Sunday was when they announced the final score of the 'Skins game, and everyone in the Coliseum stood up and cheered. Sure, Raider fan was just happy that Denver got beat, but for a Redskin fan in Oakland, it was the highlight of my season.

Posted by: js_edit | November 16, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Sit Portis until December at the earliest. Perhaps if he is well rested - and motivated by Betts cracking 90 - 120 yards per game for the next couple of weeks, he'll be worth something to us down the stretch.

If there is still something to play for besides pride...

Posted by: edvar | November 16, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I have several friends from Irish backgrounds and when we are partaking in pints of Guinness and shots of Jameson refer to them as micks and worse. No one is offended.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Do not refer to me as a bigot as I am not a racist. I am a minority and I will not succumb to shallow and petty name calling.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Good one natsfan, so because you are a minority it is impossible for you to be a racist.

I'm sure that you have friends of all colors that you could go on about and possibly a wife that is also a minority.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 16, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

with CP's avg of 4.0/cry he would have had 104 to Betts 114. I just love how every points the finger in the wrong place.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 16, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

In fact my wife is African American. We have our own child and we have adopted a Korean and Ethiopian baby. We have opened our lives to children from all over the globe. To live in harmony.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"I think if he was in this game the results would have been the same."

I don't think agree. Portis has looked slow to the hole all year. Look at the spark Betts gave us last week. Look at the success he had this week. I think Portis's ankles bother him a lot more than he lets on, because he definitely looks slow out there. When he tries to bounce it outside, he's been having trouble out-running DE's let alone LB's.

Sit him. Let him heel and watch. the wear and tear is showing.

Posted by: edvar | November 16, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Now if only JC could PUNT this team might have a chance, i kid i kid...

Posted by: Stu27 | November 16, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone making even a vague indirect reference to making the playoffs and/or winning the division needs to get the pabrian treatment.

First, you are delusional. This team sucks and doesn't have a chance. Sure, the other NFC teams don't look like world-beaters right now, but we actually genuinely suck. We got lucky that Orton was injured. We got a TD on a trick play. Any given Sunday right??? But not 9 Sundays in a row...not with this team.

Second, why do we want to make the playoffs? So that we can get pummeled in the first round? So that Snerratto can get up at the end of the season and talk about how "close" we were and how we are 1 Chad OchoCinco trade away from winning it all?

No friends, let's let nature take its course. Let our weak and unfit Redskins team fall into the unsympathetic clutches Darwinian Footballism. Then it can become fertilizer and spring something anew. Something better and stronger that does not have features like a "Cerratto" that nature clearly wants to select against.

Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Zorn hasn't a f'ing clue. I'm sorry, if I'm the head coach, how do you let Snyder or Cerrato punk you into who you play.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Because if you don't, it's grounds for being fired for cause, i.e., insubordination. Unless Zorn has a clause in his contract that specifically says that he has final say on the matter, which I doubt, that means that he has to go along, or risk not getting paid on the remainder of his deal and losing out on millions of dollars. So if he is being told whom to play, he basically has to do it, or pay a hefty price for maintaining his principles.

Posted by: rbpalmer | November 16, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Beantown Greg, nice name by the way, how do you get by living in your parents basement and scrimping by on unemployment or disability. Beantown probably refers to Boston which probably gives you that incredibly annoying accent. Baaaahsten! Your probably an alcoholic and one in a long line of hardcore allcoholics. Your mic daddy probably beat your mother on a daily basis for undercooking the potatoes and probably beat you with an empty bottle of Guiness. It's ok Greg its not your fault. Greg, its not your fault. It's gonna be ok, son.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Do not refer to me as a bigot as I am not a racist. I am a minority and I will not succumb to shallow and petty name calling.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

So is it:

A-Racist
B-Hypocrite
C-Doooshbag
D-All Of The Above

I'm going with D.....Richard.

Posted by: ksquare | November 16, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I just dont see it, what game this year have we given the ball to Clinton as many times as we gave it to Betts this game?-- But once again i dont see this being this teams largest concern, I just get amazed how people higlight these sort of things after a win. Average alone dictates that the results would have been very very similar.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 16, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Iverson I mean Portis is done. None of the redskin players, coaches can really tell you what is going, and they are the one's that know. 1)because it's not cool to turn on teamates unless of course you did what Portis did to Sellers. 2) Portis is Snyders favorite player, and it's Snyder who signs those million dollar paychecks. Give me power rushing that's the REDSKINS! Not Portis tripping and falling foward for 3yards. Go SKINS! Riggins, Doc Walker and B mitchell can't be alll wrong.

Posted by: sthai75 | November 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Because if you don't, it's grounds for being fired for cause, i.e., insubordination. Unless Zorn has a clause in his contract that specifically says that he has final say on the matter, which I doubt, that means that he has to go along, or risk not getting paid on the remainder of his deal and losing out on millions of dollars. So if he is being told whom to play, he basically has to do it, or pay a hefty price for maintaining his principles.

Posted by: rbpalmer | November 16, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse


Which makes Zorn a money-grabbing punk.

What kind of "head coach" signs a contract that gives ultimate authority over who plays to someone else?

I'll tell you what kind. The kind that's not interested in doing the job of a "head coach". The kind that is giddy at the idea of grabbing a check far beyond his paygrade and knows it, so he dutifully grabs ankle and tap dances for the boss on cue.

Am I mad at Zorn? Not if I were Zorn.

But as a fan it pisses me off to high heaven.

Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Iverson I mean Portis is done...

Posted by: sthai75 | November 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse


That's a low blow to Iverson, man.

At least AI can say he carried a team to a championship series.

Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I have several friends from Irish backgrounds and when we are partaking in pints of Guinness and shots of Jameson refer to them as micks and worse. No one is offended.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure you also had a good talk about irish coffee, potatoes, 4 leaf clovers, and st. patty's day.

You are truly a well-cultured person.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 16, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Portis and the Redskins should take note of what happened to Westbrook yesterday. Even if CP gets healthy by sitting out 2-3 weeks and rotates with Betts, he's another hit away from another concussion. Even if he's a prima donna, there's no question that Portis gives it his all every Sunday.

It appears that the current line combo is better run blocking then the prior version since Thomas and Samuels got hurt. I still want to see if Levi Jones can protect JC's back with D. Ware coming around the corner. It will be interesting to see how the team responds coming off a solid victory.

If Rogers and Landry don't get their act in gear, Romo could have a field down with Miles Austin and Patrick Crayton on deep balls. It was scary to see how many times Denver had Marshall and Royal running free yesterday!

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 16, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

As for Portis vs. Betts, I agree that Portis is in decline and has lost a step or two since coming to DC. However, yesterday's sucess on the ground was not due to the change at RB, but to the fact that, this time, there were actually holes to run through. I don't see a significant difference between the two in running ability at this point in their respective careers, and I sincerely believe that, if Portis had been playing, he would have done just as well. They should hold Portis out until he has completely recovered, and when he comes back, he and Betts should split the carries 50-50.

Posted by: rbpalmer | November 16, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

http://www.kravmagadc.com/www/page.php?p=instructors

Natsfan is the second instructor, Chris Torres aka The Chief, which by the way no one calls him that there.

Relax, Natsfan...but you cant say you are not a bigot or racist, while calling people Micks in a poor light...such as your Mick daddy beat your mom while drunk...that is not a good light.

I learned my lesson the hard way, when I was 19, I mouthed off to a black guy at a nightclub that I worked at in downtown, being naive and stupid when he punched me in the back of the head, I called him the N word, he fired back into my leg with a 9 MM, I didnt deserve the shot, but I deserved something for being stupid and ingnorant.

Be respectful of people, especially for someone that states they bring love into the world by adopting kids from all over...would you want them called names or told that your black daddy probably beat his wife when hemped up on crack????

It goes both ways, whether or not you think your racist your actions say otherwise, one day their will be someone bigger and badder than you.

PUNK

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Didn't mean to offend Iverson fans but the sixers were a favorite of mine not as much as the redskins. I watched him hold them back. Football is THE ULTIMATE TEAM SPORT. In a twisted way betts and cartright, who haven't been afforded the opportunity, make snyder and cerrato look good.

Posted by: sthai75 | November 16, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Zorn hasn't a f'ing clue. I'm sorry, if I'm the head coach, how do you let Snyder or Cerrato punk you into who you play.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Because if you don't, it's grounds for being fired for cause, i.e., insubordination. Unless Zorn has a clause in his contract that specifically says that he has final say on the matter, which I doubt, that means that he has to go along, or risk not getting paid on the remainder of his deal and losing out on millions of dollars. So if he is being told whom to play, he basically has to do it, or pay a hefty price for maintaining his principles.

Posted by: rbpalmer

Zorn holds plenty of cards in this equation. Danny can't afford to fire Zorn and not pay him ... because lots of good coaches wouldn't work for Danny if he pulled that.

The only owner that I'm aware that doesn't pay off on contracts or at least reach a settlement ... Al Davis.

Unlike Davis, Danny isn't 80 years old and running on fumes.

Danny has lots to lose if he fires Zorn and refuses to pay him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I learned my lesson the hard way, when I was 19, I mouthed off to a black guy at a nightclub I called him the N word, he fired back into my leg with a 9 MM, I deserved something for being stupid and ingnorant.
Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

You are no different by referring to African Americans in that manner. Shame on you. I would never do something that uncalled for. You deserved to get shot in the leg. You are actually lucky to be walking around and breathing today. What you did was plain old stupid and racist. Hell if I saw you in the streets I'd slap you upside your head for being so stupid. You are a closeted biggot for expressing your true feelings towards African Americans.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

i wonder if portis really will play this weekend, I hope not, not only for our sakes, but his own career and health.

Hail Skins!

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Any chance Brian Dawkins gets fined for his elbow to the head tackles during the game? I saw two at least, one on Cartwright and one on Betts.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | November 16, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

At least I succeeding in throwing you off your game and stopped everybody from gushing about a victory against an inferior opponent that are on the downslide of there season. The Broncos will end up 7 - 9 or 6-10 they aren't that good. Seriously folks if you want change we can all believe in lets hope for more L's. Change is a coming but we gotta finish no better than 4-12. I'll take the W against the Raiders and flush the rest of the season. What completely blows is that the Skins decided to blow the one year the NFC East is down. What bad luck.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Natsfan: You lose points for editing his post without denoting the words you removed.... that happened to change the meaning of what he said.

I don't mind back and forth, but selective editing is dishonorable.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 16, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Stick a fork in Clinton he is done.

BTW.....my students refer to me as the Chief. So SUCK IT!

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Which makes Zorn a money-grabbing punk.

What kind of "head coach" signs a contract that gives ultimate authority over who plays to someone else?

Posted by: p1funk | November 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I've read that the Oakland Raiders put a clause in their head coaches' contracts that says that they have to do whatever Al Davis instructs them to do. I think that's one reason they have stunk for so long, because the NFL passed Davis by long ago. I don't know if Zorn or any other coaches have similar contracts.

I'm just saying that if he is being told who to play (just as he was apparently told that he had to accept Lewis as the new play-caller or be fired for cause), the consequences of insubordination might be serious enough to give a reasonable person pause.

Posted by: rbpalmer | November 16, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow your thick headed Natsfan, I was 19 and stupid, readily admit it made a mistake and paid for it, now 31 and life has changed dramatically for it. Slap me upside the head now and see what I do to you, you retched p rick. your a sad soul and god help you. one day it will catch up with you or your family. Leadership in life starts at the top, just like in football.

You will get what is coming to you as well. Why dont you go on the ravens site and call him a Mick or to his face, sure he will love it, or maybe Heap or anyone else for that matter. Mick is not a term of endearment for Irish people all over the world, much like the N word for african american individuals.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Ha!
I rule!

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Later today Zorn clarified the Portis situation:

ZORN: Clinton, who is our starter won't start. His headaches are gone, the ringing has stopped, and he's been solving Quantum physics problems. Portis is clearly inferior to Betts and Rock now, but he wont' start because Betts will start because Portis is unable to start.

REPORTER: But if his concussion is all better, why won't Portis start?

ZORN: Because now he's got a bad knee.

REPORTER: How did that be? He didn't even play Sunday?

ZORN: When it looked like he might be ready to start this week, we had to kneecap him.

Posted by: TheCork | November 16, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Natsfan, one your students told me that once during class you sh!t your pants...yeah you rule?

Declaring yourself the Chief is almost as bad as calling yourself the Mayor...at least he isnt racist.

Hail Skins!

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

"...not sure this week provided much of a blueprint for the rest of the year..."


Maybe, maybe not.

Dallas' run defense will be stiff--but now we know which backs to send at it and how.

Betts will ground out yards--but he won't get the breakaway, field-flipping long runs a team needs from time to time.

Devin Thomas is starting to get confident--but whither Kelly/Mitchell?

Moss should return punts.

Things fall apart if injury prone Levi Jones lives down to the knock against him.

Campbell left two touchdowns on the field--but a team like Dallas can score.

He'll have to be a serious game manager and make plays with his arm when it's called for.

We know the screen game is fine--but the deep ball is what's needed.

Yes: the remainder of the season is a lot of if, maybe, woulda, and coulda.

But all of this beats realities like, "..the redskins will definately lose this weekend..".

That's the blueprint we already know how to execute.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Pretty glad we passed on DEMARCUS WARE - a top 5 DE - and SHAWNE MERRIMAN - a Pro Bowl LB and hometown kid, who's also THREE YEARS YOUNGER than Burnt Toast.

Goodbye Carlos. I'm sure your future is quite bright in Saskacthewan

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 16, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

No one deserves to be shot for being stupid. Neutered maybe, but not shot.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Later today Zorn clarified the Portis situation:

ZORN: Clinton, who is our starter won't start. His headaches are gone, the ringing has stopped, and he's been solving Quantum physics problems. Portis is clearly inferior to Betts and Rock now, but he wont' start because Betts will start because Portis is unable to start.

REPORTER: But if his concussion is all better, why won't Portis start?

ZORN: Because now he's got a bad knee.

REPORTER: How did that be? He didn't even play Sunday?

ZORN: When it looked like he might be ready to start this week, we had to kneecap him.

Posted by: TheCork | November 16, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Love me some JZ-isms. Nice one Cork.

By the way, Hunter Smith has to be the only punter in league history to have a rushing and passing TD in his career, let alone the same season

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 16, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

How about Randle El not catching that last punt and letting it roll to within the ten?

How about the kidkoff guy kicking two out of bounds - one in the 4th qtr?

How about D Hall's stupid lateral which could of cost the game?

How about C. Rogers blowing chunks with his play yesterday?

This is not a great team. chris Simms was terrible enough to offset the mistakes above. However, i hope we do beat f-ing Dallas...

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | November 16, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

BTW.....my students refer to me as the Chief dbag or Capt. Massengill. So SUCK IT!

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ksquare | November 16, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

nice...

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm just saying that if he is being told who to play (just as he was apparently told that he had to accept Lewis as the new play-caller or be fired for cause), the consequences of insubordination might be serious enough to give a reasonable person pause.

Posted by: rbpalmer

Snyder can be legally right if he wants to fire Zorn for insubordination -- and I can see why Zorn would be reluctant to risk millions on that. He knows that this is is last big payday.

Still, if Danny fires Zorn and doesn't pay him, Shanahan wouldn't consider coming here (he got stiffed that way by Al Davis), Holmgren wouldn't consider coming, etc.

Snyder and Zorn both have something to lose at this point.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

natsfan007, mhartz1,
Hey fellas. I know you two are in the middle of a blog war, and I can respect that. Usually. But both of you are coming across very weak. And it's getting a little tiresome to read. So here's what I'm going to do. I don't have the time to beat on you each individually- I've got kids, work and a ton of stuff to do around the house. But seeing as how you both deserve it, I will happily kick both your sorry asses at the same time. In fact, just to keep things interesting, I'll do it with an open hand. So natsfan007 and mhartz1 figure out a time and place that works for both of you (let's avoid rush hour, and my weekends are booked). We'll meet up, and I'll do my best to slap some sense into the both of you. I can't guarantee it will work. But I can guarantee both you sissies will get a slapping you won't soon forget. Sound good?

Posted by: mack1 | November 16, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

mista, we've had success in dallas in recent years, several close games and some wins. The Brunell to Moss comeback ranks as one of the most enjoyable wins ever.

romo hasn't had much fun vs our defenses. flozell looks done and colombo is out. Sounds like Orakpo and Carter could have another big day. It'll be on the defense, especially the secondary. If they play well, a win is very possible.

One of the interesting stats from yesterdays game was that Campbell completed passes to 10 different guys. That is a lot of different people to have to be on the same page with.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 16, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I'll be training at DC Krav Maga today, Wednesday, and Friday from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM. 616 H St NW Washington, DC 20001. Just ask for the chief, thats what everyone there calls me.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 1:42 PM
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I bet all that place is is a guy-only "bath house." So I'm sure natsfan007 had a ton of fun there....

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 16, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 16, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else think Moss has lost something, maybe even his hands, dropped some more than I would like for our #1

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 3:01 PM |

Actually, I believe Santana is 2nd in the league in the last 3 years in drops behind TO.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 16, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

many forget that campbell has had some of his best games in dallas..remember the game he threw for over 340yds(2-3)touchdowns and they lost because sean taylor was out and T-O burned them for 3 td's in the second half campbell threw for 2 td's last year in the last game for washington in texas stadium another win, If washington could contain the run better and stop giving up so many big plays they could make a run..snyder and cerrato BOTH should leave no matter what happens, no good head coach or GM would come here under those 2 fools.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 16, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Whomever is in charge of who plays, they would be absolutely brainless to start Portis.

I can't and won't believe as bad as some decisions have been made around here, not starting Portis as Brownwood1 would say 'a caveman would know that.'

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Dallas OL beginning to show its age. All starters are over 30 and Columbo went down with broken leg in Packers game. Dallas has been like the Skins, no investing in youth to rebuild OL and it's catching up with them just like it has the Skins. Pack shut down Romo/Austin and one of their DBs had a lights out game - int, two forced fumbles. Skins DBs will be hard pressed to come anywhere near that kind of performance given how they were carved up bad in 1st half of Den game.

Posted by: ElDrano | November 16, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to appear to be unappreciative of what Portis has done, because we ALL were on the 2-6 bandwagon during his 1,500 yard seasons...

BUT

He is a diva who clearly is on the downside of his career. To play him would be gutless and stupid. Clinton Portis does not give you the best chance to win. Don't get me wrong, Betts ain't no Adrian Peterson, but he runs hard, he's fresh, and is a threat in the passing game. He'll put one on the ground soon, but this guys works hard...BUT JZ has to keep Portis happy!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 16, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Bench CB Rogers, put someone else in, someone who cares about playing. Tryon or Barnes....at least effort would be there.
I am now looking forward to the offseason,
this is where the Skins make headlines.

Posted by: madalao | November 16, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Not saying the win against Den wasn't praiseworthy but when Simms replaced Ort in the 2nd half, Den's O was brain dead. Camp throwing the ball to a lot of diff receivers is encouraging - Lewis appears to be doing a much better job than Zorn did in dialing up the right plays. Camp overthrowing a wide open Moss on a deep route is not so encouraging. And when Camp does get it in Moss' hands he drops it. That combo could be a lot better than it is.

Posted by: ElDrano | November 16, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Beantown Greg......0.2......fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 1:28 PM

Natsfan007...

I'm not mad at ya for your bad Irish jokes, your terrible takes, your stupid name, or your internet tough guy attitude, but how can you screw up a Animal House reference.

It's 0.0....

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Turn to ESPN.

The Cleveland Browns are on national television.

Yes I said that.

I know, you think I'm lying, but I'm not.

Somebody needs to alert their fanbase as the stadium seems to be 50,000 people short of a Monday Night Football game audience.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

They should sit portis for atleast one more game. Brian Westbrook sat out two came back on the third and has another concussion. You cannot tell me that the third concussion is just bad luck.

I would not wish pre-mature dimentia on anyone the nfl rule should be you sit 4 games after a concussion.

Portis was at the game and he was rooting his mates on, I think he is a bit of a primadona but when he is in good shape and healthy he is a great running back. He gives it everything he has got on game day.

Do not want to cut Rogers he still has value as an restricted free agent if next year is uncapped, but it sure would not hurt to see him ride the pine for a few games. He has to know that his poor play is hurting his value next year.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | November 16, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have the link to the Wilborn and Cindy chat????????

I can't find it on the site.

Posted by: thehogs1 | November 16, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

So Zorn's responsibilities include...

Personnel: 82 returns 1 punt: The fair catch machine lets it hit and roll and the ball rolls 15-20 yds and inside the 10. FAIL

Portis shouldn't lose his job to injury: CORRECT..He should lose it to production.

4th down decisions: Passes on FG and calls a stretch play left with Rock. He is 0 for the season with this call. FAIL

Shem has done a considerably better job calling Zorn's own mediocre plays and yet with Zorn's limited role he still finds ways to hurt this teams chances of winning. FAIL

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have the link to the Wilborn and Cindy chat????????

I can't find it on the site.

Posted by: thehogs1 | November 16, 2009 8:17 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/11/12/DI2009111208953.html?hpid=talkbox1

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/11/09/DI2009110902990.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: merajc86 | November 16, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

http://dansnydermustgo.com/content/next-coach

Posted by: merajc86 | November 16, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I've said for years they should at least interview Grimm. For such a "big fan" Danny sure forgets why this team was so successful before he bought this team in an auction. That's probably why we are the only team not to use a 1st or a 2nd rd pick on an OL since 2000.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to appear to be unappreciative of what Portis has done, because we ALL were on the 2-6 bandwagon during his 1,500 yard seasons...

BUT

He is a diva who clearly is on the downside of his career. To play him would be gutless and stupid. Clinton Portis does not give you the best chance to win. Don't get me wrong, Betts ain't no Adrian Peterson, but he runs hard, he's fresh, and is a threat in the passing game. He'll put one on the ground soon, but this guys works hard...BUT JZ has to keep Portis happy!

Posted by: rickyroge

Portis will play because he is still the best back on the roster. Betts did a great job filling in but the real story was the O-Line. They finally remembered that blocking was a part of their job description.

Hopefully the line wil continue to play with a chip on their shoulders.

Posted by: dcwun | November 16, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the line wil continue to play with a chip on their shoulders.

Wouldn't Pads be more effective?

Posted by: daggar | November 16, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the line wil continue to play with a chip on their shoulders.

Wouldn't Pads be more effective?

Posted by: daggar

Those would help too....

Posted by: dcwun | November 16, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness....

There are two things that are out of bounds on this Blog...

1) NEVER SAY YOU ARE GOING TO ROOT FOR
ANOTHER TEAM

2) NEVER ROOT FOR THE REDSKINS TO LOSE THE
REST OF THEIR GAMES

I can deal with excessive negativity, constructive criticism, front office bashing, etc.

BUT...I'll find you if you violate these two RI rules!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 16, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I would like for the Skins to lose all the rest of their games so that we can get the highest possible draft ranking and have a good crack at Russell Okung. The season is over for us so winning games is meaningless but we need a franchise LT to replace Samuels and Okung is the dude. Not saying that Jones didn't do a good job against Denver but he is not the hope for the future at LT.

Posted by: ElDrano | November 16, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, we don't necessarily need Okrung...some of the better tackles were not a top 10 pick...Jason Peters, Marcus McNeil, Ryan Clady, Jared Gaither...

Posted by: merajc86 | November 16, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Only way the Skins have a chance at Russell Okung is to trade up for him. Even if they lose all of their games they will not be in position to draft him without a trade.

And I don't expect the team to throw in the towel, so what is the point in rooting for them to lose?

Go Skins and F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

See....ElDrano is tempting me to open a can of whupazz!

You can never root for this team to lose the rest of its games.

That's in the annals of any sport.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 16, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

So Betts runs better than CP did all year long etc......you can't make this stuff up....
Posted by: BeantownGreg1

and the rest of their careers don't count? Betts was hurt all week etc.
Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm way late to this party, but I believe Pfunk just about summed it up. And I HATE agreeing with Beaner on any point, but WTF? Betts is a no-brainer. I don't even want them to share duties, but if they do, Portis gets the 2-8, Betts gets the rest of the load. Hell, that's being diplomatic, I don't see any reason to ease off using 31, he had the better average this week.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

With props to Bob Marley:

No practice, no play.
No practice, no play.

I remember when we used to sit,
Atop the NFC East Division.
And though John Riggins is a hypocrite,
He won the Super Bowl MVP.

And now Clinton Portis, he won't practice.
What is wrong with this dude?
Ladell Betts gets more yards per carry,
Runs downhill and pushes on through.

So I say...

No practice, no play.
No practice, no play.
Eh Larry Michael, don't shed no tears.
No practice, no play.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | November 16, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

See....ElDrano is tempting me to open a can of whupazz!

You can never root for this team to lose the rest of its games.

That's in the annals of any sport.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 16, 2009 10:01 PM |

Dude - don't take it personal. I just couldn't resist the temptation to frost your balls, ahead of winter arriving and Mother Nature doing it herself.

Posted by: ElDrano | November 16, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Not only can you not root for the skins to lose it dosen't mattter...Payton Manning isn't available and even if he was this front office would draft Ryan Leaf.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Only way the Skins have a chance at Russell Okung is to trade up for him. Even if they lose all of their games they will not be in position to draft him without a trade.

And I don't expect the team to throw in the towel, so what is the point in rooting for them to lose?

Go Skins and F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 9:51 PM |

1. So if not Okung, who? The OL needs help bad. Okung would be just the ticket.

2. Whoever is doing the drafting, avoid Aub and the U like the plague.

3. "And I don't expect the team to throw in the towel" - one of them already has - CR.

Posted by: ElDrano | November 16, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh, ROBERT Royal. I keep getting him confused with Eddie Royal, and our position to get him vs already having him. Doh!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

correction: having had him before

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElDrano | November 16, 2009 10:28 PM

I'm with you on wanting Okung, just don't see it happening without moving up to take him. Maybe Trent Williams? Depending on where we draft.

Might be best to move back and look at:

Bryan Bulaga, Iowa (Jr.)
Matt Reynolds, BYU (Jr.)
Anthony Davis, Rutgers (Jr.)
Ciron Black, LSU
Adam latoski, Texas
Charles Brown, USC

Agree with stay away from Aub.

Los is a punk and proved it with comments he makes when he is benched. With a win over the girls on Sunday and iggles the following week will ensure the rest of the team does not follow.

F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Read something about the NFLPA maybe agreeing to a rookie salary cap in the next CBA. This may encourage some of the younger guys to enter this draft to try at some of the big money which is why I listed the JRs also.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh, ROBERT Royal. I keep getting him confused with Eddie Royal, and our position to get him vs already having him. Doh!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 10:33 PM

Only Eddie Royal played just down the road and would have solved a lot of problems with returns and not having any team speed. Although this staff would bury him on the bench and continue to shove 82 & 31 down our throats. Good thing Vinny stuck to his board ignored the OLINE, Royal & Jackson and drafted 11, 12, & 86.

I know Vinny we need height for Zorn's vaunted West Coast Attack.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I know Vinny we need height for Zorn's vaunted West Coast Attack.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 10:48 PM |

Which turned into a real steamer, didn't it.

Posted by: ElDrano | November 16, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, I see you are confused as well lol

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

and Drano too!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Not as confused as the FO. I guess it's tough to market OL...Can't put them on the Program or sell jerseys.

With their soon to be top 10 pick they need to draft the next Samuels. Here is a list for our hopefully new GM.

OT 1 Russell Okung SR 6-5/300/- Oklahoma
OT 2 Trent Williams SR 6-5/290/- Oklahoma
OT 3 Selvish Capers SR 6-5/298/- WVU
OT 4 Ciron Black SR 6-5/322/- LSU
OT 5 Charles Brown SR 6-6/295/- USC
OT 6 Adam Ulatoski SR 6-8/310/- Texas
OT 7 Zane Beadles SR 6-4/308/- Utah
OT 8 Sam Young SR 6-8/320/- Notre Dame
OT 9 Jason Fox SR 6-6/305/- Miami (FL)
OT 10 Kyle Calloway SR 6-7/317/- Iowa

Here should be a blue print of our 2010 draft:
1: OT
2: OL
3: spent on Jarmon...like him
4: OL/RB/DB
5-7: Repeat

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

So, Wilbon says Dallas will pick up a stick and beat the Redskins with it next week in Dallas; I think he's incorrect, in that I think Dallas just is no where near as good as folks think they are.
Opinions?
Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm absolutely positive its been said, but F Dallas.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Watching the Browns sure does ease the pain of being a Redskins fan.

Quinn s-u-c-k-s!

Posted by: edvar | November 16, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

The Skins D brain trust, such as it is, needs to come up with a scheme and the personnel to turn Miles Austin into Inches Austin. The Skins cannot afford the DB brain farts they had against Den. It would kill them for sure against Romo.

Posted by: ElDrano | November 16, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Here should be a blue print of our 2010 draft:
1: OT
2: OL
3: spent on Jarmon...like him
4: OL/RB/DB
5-7: Repeat
Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Nice. I couldn't help but notice QB was missing from your list, which I like. But what about DL or LB corps? I know about recent signings and our "LB" Orakpo, but what about keeping the youth movement going? Can't argue nonetheless.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I guess CB is a need, given the pouting McPouter.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Deisel44 - I'm not so sure about using the top 2 picks on OT. One of them, definitely. But I would kind of hope for a good (but not all world) FA acquisition. Rookies are too unreliable to bet it all on two of them. Especially when we also need a dominant G/C.

I would really like to see a game changer come in on O, like an RB with speed and moves.

Ideally, we trade back a few spots in the first round and pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder. Then we are in business.

Posted by: edvar | November 16, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

And I guess we need to reevaluate what empty stands look like, damn.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 16, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

This from ESPN: "NFL fines Titans owner $250K for middle fingers". One of the two original AFL owners still going 50+ yrs later and he acts like a teenager? Sheesh.

Posted by: ElDrano | November 16, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Ok...
1: OT Okung ...won't be available
2: RB Spiller...won't be available
4: OLB Eric Norwood....DE/OLB Gamecocks
5: QB Max Hall...BYU
6: OG Dan Doering SR 6-6/300/- Iowa
7: CB Crezdon Butler SR 6-0/190/- Clemson

Too many needs and not enough picks...they should look at Toby Gerhart from Stanford (Baby Riggo) or Javon Best (Joe Washington) if they slip

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Deisel44 - I'm not so sure about using the top 2 picks on OT. One of them, definitely. But I would kind of hope for a good (but not all world) FA acquisition. Rookies are too unreliable to bet it all on two of them. Especially when we also need a dominant G/C.

I would really like to see a game changer come in on O, like an RB with speed and moves.

Ideally, we trade back a few spots in the first round and pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder. Then we are in business.

Posted by: edvar

Too your point...If Levi Jones continues to play up to his talent then move him to RT and draft an LT/RT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 16, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Too your point...If Levi Jones continues to play up to his talent then move him to RT and draft an LT/RT.


That's what I'm thinking too.

Posted by: edvar | November 16, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse


Barno1,
You just can't get it right. Last week you picked the Redskins to win and then said you were just kidding and that they would lose. Maybe a week off will help you out my man.

Posted by: hessone | November 16, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Redskins will win out and go 10-6 and reach the playoffs. Ok everyone needed a good laugh.

I do think we'll beat Denver though. They're coming off a short week, we're coming off 1 game in 3 weeks. Team from out west playing in east at 1:00. Plus the fact that they have been playing over their heads and we are desperate for a win. All signs point to a Redskins victory on Sunday.


Posted by: Barno1 | November 9, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse


Hessone, maybe a week off will help you remember things more accurately.


Posted by: Barno1 | November 16, 2009 4:33 PM
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Hessone, just ask Barno1 about his University of Maryland vs. Rutgers prediction.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 17, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I know we're all pleased as punch about the upset win over that reeling Denver team, but does anybody up here really expect us to beat Dallas, at their place?

I don't mean want or hope, I mean "expect," as in you think it's more likely to happen than not happen. I'm such a fool I'll be watching and believing (believing in my own foolishness, such as), come what may, but I certainly won't be expecting a win.

Good golly, what I'm trying to say here is, you know, as ever, F Dallas.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Come talk about a real team with the chance of making it big in their respected league. Come talk and chat at http://washingtonwiznut.blogspot.com/

Posted by: mbrothsc | November 17, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

With all respect to the skins because I love them just as much as the wiz but i see the wiz goin places this season

Posted by: mbrothsc | November 17, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

kaneohe, cool...i just read your profile it's very similar to mine. yeah, i think i'm going to give ft a chance. i don't know a whole lot people that play and you're 2 of 2 on FT. they must be doing something right. i'll look you up once i'm on...one of the reasons i haven't switched is the screen...i liked ps's better than FT...but have to make a switch...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Nate, skins beat the team the girls lost to. It can happen. But I'm not watching until vinnys gone.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Yes: Clinton Portis is an elite back.

But so was Fred Taylor--and you see he is no longer a jaguar.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

you mean, WAS an elite back. F DALLAS.

Posted by: BMACattack | November 17, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Betts vs. Portis

* Top one-game rushing yardage: Betts 114, Portis 109.
* Season TD total: Betts 2, Portis 1.
* While starting, Betts has a 4.48 yards-per-carry average while Portis' is 4.0 on the season.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 2:44 AM | Report abuse

People as old as me can remember Larry Brown, who was a great running back for the Redskins for 4 years then dropped off the face of the earth. Like Clinton Portis he was a small power back who ran with abandon between the tackles but the pounding caught up to him. A good GM would have someone young ready to step in because the average carear of a running back is less than 5 years. Someone needs to have an overall vision for this team and be able to provide for the future.

Posted by: justgeoff | November 17, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse

watched that play the Pats made on 4th and 2 ... and Faulk had the first down, no question. Gotta watch it from two angles to get it.

First angle, when does Faulk get possession? It shows he got possession before his left foot hits the ground. But if you assume it happened at the moment his left foot hit the ground, that still gets the answer.

Second angle, where was the ball when the left foot hit the ground? Its nt hard to tell. The left foot lands just inches from the 30 yard line, it might have actually touched the 30. The ball is clearly forward of where his left foot is, probably about 1 to 2 feet forward.

The Pats had the first down, the refs blew it and all the controversy is because of the refs incompetence.

And yet, isn't it great to see Belichick getting cra[ped on?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 2:57 AM | Report abuse

As for the secondary against Denver what happen to the coaches,players must communicate on the field!

Posted by: BJ921 | November 17, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

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