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Zorn on the Rookie Receivers

From Barry Svrluga, who reports that Jason Taylor (wearing a black sleeve on his left calf), Stephon Heyer and Shawn Springs are practicing; Marcus Washington and Cornelius Griffin are out. Reed Doughty is not practicing, either and is not out on the field at all:

Five weeks into the season, the Redskins' top three draft picks have combined for just six catches and Devin Thomas has four of them. And on Wednesday Coach Jim Zorn went back to a theme he has harped on since the offseason - the rookies have to have a better understanding of what's expected of them. Rookie wide receiver Malcolm Kelly worked off to the side Wednesday, still trying to overcome a nagging problem with his left knee. Thomas and tight end Fred Davis worked with the offensive unit.

"We tried to get Devin Thomas more and more involved," Zorn said, "and he has to play with more and more discipline, or he's going to get less and less play. He's learning. He's a tremendous talent. But he's not ready, really, to take on any kind of responsibility, to be honest with you. We're having to spoon-feed him there."

Thomas was called for offensive pass interference in last week's win over Philadelphia, negating what would have been a completion for a first down to wideout Santana Moss.

Zorn said Davis is improving in practice, but he continued to marvel at how the second-round pick from USC approached his rookie season.

"I think Fred Davis is starting to come on," Zorn said. "You saw him getting a little more active. His whole deal was just to stay active, just to dress. He hated it the first week [when he was not active for the season opener against the Giants]. So he had to change the way he was putting things together.

"Now, he waited the entire mini-camp, offseason program, training camp, preseason, and he was inactive - and then he started to get it? You see what I mean? He waited all that time thinking it was going to be that easy.

"And I think these rookies - at least our guys - are seeing that it's much harder than it looks. You're the big man on campus, and you're the draft choice and you're all this and you're all that. When you get here, you're one of the guys, because everybody else is good, too."

By Cindy Boren  |  October 9, 2008; 1:45 PM ET
 
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First?

Posted by: MEssex | October 9, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Assuming Randy Thomas, Pete Kendall, Malcolm Kelly are also practicing?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 9, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

+++I have a feeling that by the beginning of next year, Doughty will be 4th on the safety depth chart, and possibly in danger of being cut (for poor special teams play). Kareem Moore will start to creep up on Doughty on soon enough, never mind Horton.++++

Of course you do, because nothing enhances a player's performance more than a bad back.

I love it when people who would call in sick for a hangnail celebrate an injured player's downfall.

The only thing in shorter supply than literacy on this board is empathy.

Posted by: TheCork

Ah Corky, always trying to take shots.

Where, in any sense, do you see me "celebrate an injured player's downfall"? Please explain.

The only thing in shorter supply than literacy on this blog is logical, empirical, and reasonable analysis.

Posted by: psps23 | October 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, psps, agreed that Corky came on a little strong with that one... but that's Corky, that's why we love him.

I agree with you that it will be a relief on some level not to have Reed Doughty playing more than spot duty... he has played well enough at times, and as discussed ad nauseum he's a great story blah blah blah, but too often he just looks a step slower than everybody else out there, doesn't he? And that's ultimately all that matters.

The other side of the story is that Horton has been so impressive... lucky for the team, Doughty's illness and now injury (however unfortunate) are giving the kid a chance, and while he hasn't been perfect, he's definitely chopping wood...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Rookies always have a tough time breaking into the lineup of an established team. If Thomas, Kelly and Alarm Clock had been rookies last year when Moss and Randle El were down with injuries, they would have gotten lots of playing time. It's all about having an unexpected opportunity to play, or else learning the pro game slowly and then moving up when things start to "click".

Posted by: tafka | October 9, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I've said before, I really think Thomas is going to be a stud in this league. I'd rather have him and Kelly than Jackson. Yeah, I said it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

http://www.dallascowboys.com/paver/


some Skins fans are planning on buying these and putting famous Redskin dates and/or names on them


sounds like a good idea to me!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I love Zorn chiding the rookies... especially since I get the impression he's not a Coughlin type tough dude who can instill a lot of resentment, he's just trying to light a fire under these kids with his casual zingers...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Nate.
Last addition from Barry is that there's no sign out there at all of Reed Doughty.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 9, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I've said before, I really think Thomas is going to be a stud in this league. I'd rather have him and Kelly than Jackson. Yeah, I said it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you greg. In fact...I would still take Thomas straight up over Jackson. Kelly is just a bonus.

While Jackson has been a dynamic playmaker so far, do we really need another sub 6ft sub 180 lb receiver on this team? We'd be right back where we were last year having to mortgage draft picks for a veteran.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

his critical honesty is refreshing. i totally agree that he does it without sounding like Coughlin or Parcells.

I love it.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | October 9, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

sir, I'd tend to agree with that. From what I've seen of Thomas, he's big, strong, and fast, and appears willing to block on running plays.

Give him this year to learn, and grow into the role, and hopefully next year he BLOWS UP....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, let's see, Truth, for 150 bucks I can get a paver at the Cowboys' new stadium, and customize it with three rows of 16 characters each... it ain't haiku, but let's have some fun with it.

----------------
HAIL2THEREDSKINS
HAIL VICTORY!
FIGHT FOR OLD DC
----------------
F DALLAS,F DALLA
S,F DALLAS,F DAL
LAS,F DALLAS,F U
----------------
LUV THE COWBOYS?
I DESPISE THEM
AGREE 2 DISAGREE
----------------
SKINS > COWBOYS
NOW AND FOREVER
IT IS WHAT IT IS

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 9, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

except you know quality control is gonna keep any pro-Skins and/or anti-Cowgirls stuff out


so you have to be creative with it

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking possibly

"Stephen Colbert
says
HTTR"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you greg. In fact...I would still take Thomas straight up over Jackson. Kelly is just a bonus.

While Jackson has been a dynamic playmaker so far, do we really need another sub 6ft sub 180 lb receiver on this team? We'd be right back where we were last year having to mortgage draft picks for a veteran.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat

While I won't say that I'd take Jackson over Thomas yet (way to early to do so), this is the type of "pop-NFL-culture" that gets teams decimated in their drafts. A big WR does not make you good. A good WR makes you good. If the guy can play, big or small, then he's useful to a team.

There's no way I'd disregard DeSean Jackson because of his size. For all we know, he could be the next Santana Moss. And I'd take another Santana Moss on this team in a heartbeat over 95% of the other receivers in this league, regardless of their size.

Hopefully Thomas learns this as well. He can't simply rely on his physical attributes anymore. It's time to be a real professional.

Posted by: psps23 | October 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I going with Kelly 10 out of 10 times.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 9, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Thomas has to have more o pass interferance calls by himself in the very little time he has seen on the field then our entire team has. Can somebody please Please explain to this kid the rules up here. He still thinks he playing against the CMU Chippewas!

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I think this is the week where the d increases or turnover ratio dramatically. i say we go +3 in TO's this week? what say ye?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | October 9, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

According to the Post, S.Moss had only 2 catches his rookie year.

For what its worth...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I want Devin, Malcolm and fred to do well but for what Jackson has already bought to the party I'd take him minus the "prime time" horse crap. He returns punts which we need to vastly improve and he matched with santana spells CC with room to roam!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | October 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

link to those chats today???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It's worth bonus points, Greg, bonus points.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 9, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

oh...um...sorry about that....who knew about those pesky bonus points....heh, heh....not me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Thomas has to have more o pass interferance calls by himself in the very little time he has seen on the field then our entire team has. Can somebody please Please explain to this kid the rules up here. He still thinks he playing against the CMU Chippewas!

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 2:22 PM"


whoa, whoa, whoa, those Central Michigan Chippewas are the real deal, pal! Dan LeFevour is a beast!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Not about football
Biden to McCain.

“In my neighborhood, you got something to say to a guy, you look him in the eye and you say it to him.“

LMAO!
JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 9, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

If I'm JZ, I throw a bunch of WR screens to Thomas....maybe same thing with Fred Davis as well. Let them use their speed to get down the field.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Hello Redskins Nation.

We are very excited to have the team come home after winning two NFC East road games against the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles. HAIL!

This week we have the St. Louis Rams, and this will not be an easy game, especially if we want to maintain our growth and standing the NFC East, the NFC conference, and the league.

We are the only team in the NFL with a battle cry (Hail to the Redskins!). And now we are the only team in the NFL with a post-game celebrate chant thanks to our new Head Coach Jim Zorn (Hip-Hip Hooray!).

After beating the Dallas Cowboys, the supposedly best team in the NFL, Jim Zorn in the locker led the team in a celebration chat of Hip-Hip Hooray. It would be exciting to have the entire stadium, and the Redskins Nation, join the team in the celebration chant before they head to the locker room.

My brother and I are organizing the first Hip-Hip Hooray celebration chant this Sunday after our team beats the St. Louis Rams at the stadium. If it is clear at the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter that the Washington Redskins will win the game we ask that all Redskins fans in the stadium (we will be at the game in Section 424---Row 12---Seats 7, 8 & 9) to join us in a celebration chant of Hip-Hip Hooray!

If it is not clear by the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter that we will win the game then we will start the chant 30 seconds later at 1:30 minute mark. If not then, then 30 second later at the 1:00 minute mark. If not then, then 30 seconds later at the 30 second mark.

You get the pattern. At some point at the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter or after we want to do the chant if it is clear we will win the game. We do not want to do the chant before the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter!

To make it easy for everyone to participate for the first time we asking that the entire stadium join together in the Hip-Hip Hooray chant in unison. And yes brings to celebrate.

If we are successful in getting fans to join in after the game this week, then we will organize the second chant with sections of the stadium doing the call (Hip-Hip) and the other sections doing the response (Hooray!).

We hope this celebration chant will become a tradition for Redskins fans attending the game after each victory.

Please join us this Sunday for a big Hip-Hip Hooray, after we win the game.

Thanks,

Derek Silver and Marvin Silver
Washington Redskins Fans 4 Life

PS, Check us out on Facebook at Hip-Hip Hooray (Washington Redskin's Coach Jim Zorn's Celebration Cry)

Posted by: silvermarvin | October 9, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

whoa, whoa, whoa, those Central Michigan Chippewas are the real deal, pal! Dan LeFevour is a beast!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 2:42 PM |

We're talking about the Chippewas who lost to the "University" of Georgia, 56-17. These are the ones who are ranked #52 in Sports Illustrated's college power rankings. They might be "the real deal" around Athens, Georgia or Poe-Dunkville South Carolina, but everywhere else they're a fake deal.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 9, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Stan_Hixon.jsp

I have read several anecdotal reports of Fred Davis staying after practice for extra work. After his initial faux pas, he seemingly gets it. My hope is that D Thomas bears down and gets his mental game together. Stan Hixon, grab this kid by the scruff of the neck and get him up to speed!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 9, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Skip?? Did he get lost in the registration process??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"We're talking about the Chippewas who lost to the "University" of Georgia, 56-17. These are the ones who are ranked #52 in Sports Illustrated's college power rankings. They might be "the real deal" around Athens, Georgia or Poe-Dunkville South Carolina, but everywhere else they're a fake deal.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 9, 2008 3:05 PM"


you're too obsessed. At least make yourself useful and post a link to the Redskins chats today

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Guys, Zorn does have CoachSpeak in him! Great! Does anyone else getit?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 9, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Give him this year to learn, and grow into the role, and hopefully next year he BLOWS UP....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 2:06 PM

Greg - You didn't read my post from the last blog post? Portis already started using the C Word for THIS YEAR and I asked and no one answered wheter if he uses it, can we start to use it?

That being said, it's a long season and they have plenty of time to contribute this year. Did you see the other steve smith for the Giants excel in the playoffs last year?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 9, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

My off hand remark about CMU wasnt meant to spark a college debate about teams merits. the point was this guy is singlehandly racking up penalties in a very limited role. Are we not teaching him the rules, is he not listening to them teach it, is he just throwing it out at game time, are the refs just being hard on a rookie? these are seious questions cause this guy is killin us out there.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Stu, "he's killing us out there" might be just a LITTLE strong.

He's not getting calls because he's a rook, and last weeks penalty called on him was questionable at best.

Rabach killed us, taking 1, then another TD off the board. Thomas, not so much.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

these are seious questions cause this guy is killin us out there.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 3:21 PM


Devin Thomas is hardly killing us. I'll agree that he's making bad mistakes but they aren't that negative. Casey Rabach's penalties have been more painful. Devin is also making some nice plays...he had two big catches v. Philly. I'm not suggesting he couldn't/shouldn't do more but I'm just objecting to your suggestion that he's "killing" us.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | October 9, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Greg that crazy ive talked about the Racbach calls and at least one of them was bogus. How can you justify this kid having like 4 receptions and 4 penalties, hes on offense.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, can someone clear something up for me, regarding the Pacman Jones hotel altercation story that someone posted in the comments a few posts back?

The story said Jones was involved in a fight with his bodyguards. Did Jones and his bodyguards fight someone else, or did Jones actually get into a fight with his own bodyguards (who, possibly, were trying to prevent him from doing something that they were paid to keep him from doing)?

Anyone got an answer? Thanks.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 9, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

You guys are idiots, yes maybe hes killing us was stron nobody is killing us but this guys flashes are nothing if hes gonna get penalties. Rabachs a lineman they get penalties WR should never. Rabach shouldnt have even been called on that.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

...Portis already started using the C Word...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 9, 2008 3:19 PM

Corkczar?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Stu, bogus or not, they were still called.

And again, bogus or not, each one resulted in a TD being taken off the board.

Thanks for calling me an idiot though....sorry for trying to engage in a 'discussion'

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

All this Chippewa talk has got Gordon Lightfoot ringing in my head.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if i offended you.

Do you think Thomas knows the rules, has been explained them and understands them, or do you think he is just ignoring them?

I think Rabach knows the rules and just violated them do you think the same is true for Thomas?

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"You guys are idiots, yes maybe hes killing us was stron nobody is killing us but this guys flashes are nothing if hes gonna get penalties. Rabachs a lineman they get penalties WR should never. Rabach shouldnt have even been called on that.

Posted by: Stu27"


how bout ARE getting TWO false start penalties in the season opener? Crap happens, Devin Thomas hasn't been too bad and his third down catch made up for the 3rd down penalty IMO.

He'll be fine, it's a different game for rookies, etc., etc.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I just think its to much for a WR thats seen as little time as him to be comiting these mistakes inreal games. If he dosent know the rules ior wont follow them then he shouldnt be allowed on the field while we are playing other teams.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

LiNk2ChaT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"I just think its to much for a WR thats seen as little time as him to be comiting these mistakes inreal games. If he dosent know the rules ior wont follow them then he shouldnt be allowed on the field while we are playing other teams.

Posted by: Stu27 "


right bench any player that gets a penalty, gotcha. Great gameplan.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

and wasn't one of the penalties on a hold while he was out trying to block downfield? That's called hustle and that's what you like to see from your players. So he got outside of the shoulders a little bit, at least he was active and trying to help the team on a play where he could've just been a nonfactor.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla, As I understood it from ESPN, Pacman got in a fight with his own bodyguard. No charges filed, no police report.

Posted by: mmok2 | October 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

what's the "c" word?

and it's post points not "bonus" points...get it right fellas!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, that wasnt that hard was it.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

everytime I post, it asks me to register and the number after my name goes up one :)

Posted by: mmok2 | October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I think it is that he wont follow them, and this is just a classic case of insubordination. The Redskins should begin taking the steps to release him.......seriously, who signed you on to that computer....because it wasn't you...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

So a plenalty to every reception is supposed to be a good thing. Im just saying there is an obvious lapse in what he should know to do on the field and what hes doing on the field. His fault or the coaches fault, do they not have him prepared, they said they were "spoon feeding him". Maybe were moving to fast with this guy.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 9, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Question for the crowd. Whenever Saunders gets dumped by the Rams,(I am guessing he will), where will he end up as a coach or cordinator? Also, should we at the end of the year try and send Todd Colins to Saunders for some picks?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 9, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

that's what's really weird...how do you get in a fight with your own friggin bodyguard? and why didn't he fight back? he is a BODYGUARD!!! bodyguards are usually big like shug knight/big poppa big...the way the reports(broken mirror et all) made it seem like the bodyguard was more like chris rock...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

beeb beep

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

+++Rookies always have a tough time breaking into the lineup of an established team.

Like denver? Or the Eagles? Because both have started rookie WRs with spectacular success....

++++ If Thomas, Kelly and Alarm Clock had been rookies last year when Moss and Randle El were down with injuries, they would have gotten lots of playing time.

Unlikely. More likely, the skins would ahve kept Mix and/or McMullen since the trio obviously wasnt' ready. Nothing in either Gibbs or Zorn's DNA that would indicate they'd risk it with guys who aren't ready to play.

+++ It's all about having an unexpected opportunity to play, or else learning the pro game slowly and then moving up when things start to "click".

Posted by: tafka+++

If you read what Zorn said, it's more BEING PREPARED for that unexpected opportunity, IMO. I get the impression none of these guys came in ready to go, or prepared to be a pro.

One can blame them, or the FO. Perhaps, because they are so not used to having many rookies on board, the FO dropped the ball on how to prepare to be a pro. Might even have been the inexperience of a rookie head coach.

Posted by: TheCork | October 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Jeezouee, don't sugar-coat it for them coach...give to to them straight!

Posted by: dave64 | October 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

If I were to buy a brick at the new Dallas Stadium I'd have 56-39-2 on it. That'll show those Cowboys.

Oh wait...

Posted by: Consoliere | October 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Corkczar, from the old AOL board days??? Any other AOL'ers here?

Posted by: javan69 | October 9, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

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